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Benedict Yu

Here is a new one.

The Californian Government is suing the oil companies, seeking billions in compensation for “climate change”. The Attorney-General claims that the companies deceived the public about the effects of their products, citing the tobacco companies being successfully sued.

https://apnews.com/article/climate-oil-gas-california-lawsuit-newsom-212d6d9873352f28094173a1974e3d90

Yes because petroleum and cigarettes are like the same thing, right? 🙁

Here is an idea. All the oil majors should withdraw from California and shut down every gas station in the State.
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October 11, 2023 8:10am
- krazykiwi
  
  This is a near bankrupt state actor running a protection racket.
  
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  October 11, 2023 9:03am
  - Ruahine
    
    This just like the Labour Gov’t trying to stealth the hard earned money from mainly the boomers to pay off some of the $200 billion debt that they have run up. Trying to do it with their wealth tax.
    
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    October 11, 2023 11:39am
    - mawm
      
      They’ve done it already with the massive inflation they caused.
      
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      October 11, 2023 5:54pm
- cmm
  
  Any company with half a brain has withdrawn from California a long time ago.
  
  Unfortunately it is not California, per se, that is the problem. It is the voters that made California what it is. When those voters go elsewhere they just Californicate the state they move to. See: Colorado, Texas, Oregon,…
  
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  October 11, 2023 9:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Californians move to Texas.
    Yes, it’s the Bee.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlDWzN6TW5Y
    
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    October 11, 2023 11:11am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      There are 6 videos, fill your boots.
      
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      October 11, 2023 11:40am
- I remember when
  
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  As silly as this is, who is willing to bet they will not win.
  
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  October 11, 2023 9:44am
- Raphael
  
  they gotta pay for the billions of dollars of reparations they’re committing to somehow.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:39am
  - lifesgood
    
    Take all their cars off them and see how they survive. Nobody, but nobody walks anywhere in California and public transport near nonexistent. What a state of morons.
    
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    October 11, 2023 11:50am
- NZer In Exile
  
  An activist tactic. Designed to frustrate and bog down fossil fuel companies so grifters profiting off the spread of unreliables get a boost.
  
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  October 11, 2023 2:39pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Still producing oil in Bakersfield. I imagine some State Reps won’t be too impressed by this proposal.
  
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  October 11, 2023 4:28pm
artemisia

The CTU has published a swingeing critique of National’s tax / housing policy, saying that already mega rich residential landlords are going to make out like bandits under one of the tax policies. That would be removing interest deductibility.

The CTU has also found that mega landlords will make mega bucks from the National tax plan. In 2021, data showed there were 346 landlords who owned at least 200 properties each. The CTU analysis shows those landlords are in for an average tax cut of $1.3m each over five years – the total going to that group: $464m.

A question for the CTU. Did you check if the designation ‘landlord’ on MBIE bond data does equal owner? In fact very often it does not. It is extremely common for the agent, usually a property manager, to be listed on bond records as the landlord. It’s legal. How many of the 346 mega landlords are actually property managers?

Looks to me like the CTU’s economist Craig Renney may very well have got their ‘analysis’ completely wrong. No doubt the CTU will check their spreadsheet and let Newshub (and voters) know if they have cocked up.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/10/election-2023-hundreds-of-landlords-to-become-tax-cut-millionaires-under-national-s-plan-analysis.html
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October 11, 2023 8:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  How will they be tax cut millionaires? They have been taxed on revenue not taxed on profit, yes a property investment is a business.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:18am
  - Matt Long
    
    Very good post G, exactly right.
    
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    October 11, 2023 10:52am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Lefties just do knot understand the concept, when you buy a rental it’s a business,, this rotten regime seem to think the rent should be taxed like a wage and salary, it’s pathetic
      
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      October 11, 2023 11:10am
      - septic skeptic
        
        The issue arises from the fact that the nature of the business is to leverage house price inflation taking the proceeds as non-taxable capital gain. There is an arguable position then that therefore the interest expenses incurred in generating the leveraged capital gains should not be deductible. There is an element of having your cake and eating it as well.
        
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        October 11, 2023 11:50am
      - miltonF
        
        @ septic
        Correct, but the solution is not to tax wealth/assets. The solution is to not artificially inflate the value of those assets via the fiat currency system in the first place. It’s more of a matter of the govt trying to have its cake and eat it too. You can’t promise the public a whole bunch of lollies and handouts that you don’t have the money to pay for. This requires borrowing and printing $, resulting in inflation and a rise in asset values. Same with “stimulating” the economy. You can’t lower the OCR to 0.25% and not expect a huge inflation in asset values.
        
        They need to raise interest rates and stop creating so much currency. This will restrict house prices and general inflation.
        
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        October 11, 2023 12:35pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        Sorry Milton, accidental downtick. Yes, I agree with what you say. I’m not advocating a wealth tax, just pointing out that (traditionally) rental property businesses have been a bit of an anomaly, in that they can generate capital gains while at the same time generating tax losses that could be claimed against income from your day job. Unlike a normal business that probably pays wages and PAYE, and any capital gain is a function of increased taxable profits.
        
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        October 11, 2023 2:27pm
- SmokerGuy
  
  What’s disappointing is that newshub are acting as a mouthpiece for this biased bunch of assholes. Yet CTU have the audacity to claim they are impartial, I don’t believe anything they say and newshub should know better than to provide a platform for a politically aligned organisation like them and make out like they are impartial.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:35am
  - Warren
    
    People forget the lies and deciet that Grant Robertson Finance Minister and his advisor Craig Renney told over the budget hack that happen in Labours first term.
    Remember it was all Nationals doings from day one and that was based on Renneys book work with his creative accounting.
    People need to remember what Robertson and Renney did in the first few budgets.
    
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    October 11, 2023 12:06pm
- kowloon
  
  The CTU, like its child the Labour Party do not make mistakes; nor do they ever admit to a mistake when it is exposed.
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:49am
- Flossie
  
  Won’t matter to them even if they are proved wrong – they’ve got their headline out and who ever reads corrections/apologies on the bottom of page 17?!
  
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  October 11, 2023 12:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden To Step Down To Avoid Embarrassing Trial Over Classified Document Scandal?

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/video/2023/10/biden-to-step-down-to-avoid-embarrassing-trial-over-classified-document-scandal/?

Now I am still not sure a sitting POTUS can be indicted, which is why Joe is staying where he is before the 2024 Election. At the last moment Biden will resign and Hillary my be the Democrat representative. Beware those who wish to challenge her.
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October 11, 2023 8:19am
- Grunter
  
  There’s growing commentary (not MSM) that next years US elections are doomed and might not even happen. Biden and the Dem’s are obviously crazies. Trump may well be in jail. No clear Republican front runner. Kennedy now declared as an Independent.
  
  Meanwhile, the southern border is chaos. Texas putting up barbed wire to stop the flood of illegal immigrants only to be cut down by Federal Govt zealots to let them in! Sounds like the Texas State and the Federal Govt don’t like each other….
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump won’t be in jail. All of this hassling Trump is to try and stop him running in 2024. It is also a diversion by the media, keep the attention on Trump and forger what the crooked Biden Family is doing.
    I still say that the Biden Admin will fold at the last possible minute. This is because I think Biden can not be indicted while he is in Office. I think – still have not found out if that is true.
    Biden’s replacement will step in at that last minute. It will be none other than Hillary Clinton – such is her hate of Trump.
    Popcorn!
    
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    October 11, 2023 11:49am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Or Michelle.
      
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      October 11, 2023 12:01pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yeah, Barry has not finished his control yet. Imagine the humiliation of being trounced by Trump!
        
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        October 11, 2023 12:53pm
- waikatosinger
  
  Technically impeachment is a form of indictment.
  
  Biden won’t go willingly. He loses his ability to pardon himself and his family the instant he quits.
  
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  October 11, 2023 2:23pm
nathie

Surprised there hasn’t been any media commentary on Labour’s attack ads that are being played on both tv and radio.

I may be wrong but I don’t recall political attack ads on tv/radio past?

But imagine if National or ACT were doing them, every media commentator would be belittling them as being “desperate”!

Team of $55m – ka-ching!
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October 11, 2023 8:31am
- Eugene
  
  Yes and people still seem to have conniptions about the old National dancing Cossack ad from way back in the 70s and it seems to be a leftie article of faith that the ad was the low point in any political campaign. I never saw what was wrong with it and it sure was a lot less nasty and scaremongering than the current Labour cuts attack ads. But apparently these ads are not a problem.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:49am
- My-Gumboot
  
  Yeah the Herald bi line is” Labour and National have gone negative in the last days of the campaign.” But not one example of the Nats negative campaign. (Whatever that means anyway).
  
  There is also a story that mentions that National pushing its wish to lift the retirement age to 2044.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-a-national-act-and-nz-first-government-is-the-most-likely-one-what-might-that-look-like/S44MICB6GJGSHDSSUGOB4Z4QHE/
  
  And we pay the $55 to lazy, incompetent, left biased, pinko journalists and editors.
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:13am
- slightlyrighty
  
  The attack narrative from Labour in particular and the left in general has turned this campaign into one of the dirtiest campaigns that I can recall.
  
  The rise of Winston in the polls can be directly attributed to the amount of media attention the 4th estate has given him.
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:13am
  - kowloon
    
    The Labour Party campaigning is a ‘cry of desperation’ from a collection of otherwise unemployable individuals.
    
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    October 11, 2023 11:51am
  - Tricati
    
    Labour have sweet FA to show for 6 years in power, and a truck load of debt, so nasty/negative is their only campaign strategy.
    And yes, they have been ably assisted by a very biased media.
    If National do get to form the next government, and Peters is involved, I would give him Minister of Broadcasting and let him lose.
    
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    October 11, 2023 12:44pm
  - sharont
    
    Unfortunately, Seymour played into the media’s hands by stating that he would sit outside cabinet and, therefore, gave the impression he would not be part of a stable government. Votes then started to switch from Act to NZF. Hopefully, we will see a better result on Saturday and NZF won’t be needed.
    
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    October 11, 2023 8:03pm
Benedict Yu

Is Kiwiblog very slow or is it just me?
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October 11, 2023 8:33am
- Guy Preston
  
  Not just you BY, 4 minutes to load this page…
  
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  October 11, 2023 8:35am
- geoff3012
  
  No its bloody slow.
  
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  October 11, 2023 8:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is slow. Slow to open, slow to log in, slow to comment.
  I am sure the ITs and Mods are aware. Maybe regulars could contribute to a new server if that is the problem? I am sure raising $5K plus would not be much out of each person’s pocket.
  
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  October 11, 2023 8:45am
  - Local Miller
    
    I doubt Kiwiblog need a new server. I’d be very surprised if they aren’t using a hosted service. The problem is most likely with the hosting company.
    
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    October 11, 2023 9:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I did see something about that a while back.
      Could it be human interference? A leftie no doubt?
      I don’t know
      
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      October 11, 2023 10:04am
      - peterwn
        
        Whaleoil had that sort of problem years ago. They used ‘Cloudflare’ to have more host ‘depth’ and to harden the site against attacks. But then that all costs $$$$.
        
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        October 11, 2023 10:19am
  - emmess
    
    How about raiding the last $100K in the PJIF before it is shut down for ever.
    The spin off got way more and it was only a blog created in 2013, Kiwiblog has far more of a history behind it.
    
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    October 11, 2023 9:27am
    - peterwn
      
      The Taxpayers Union may have a fit. Anyway it may be doubtful that DPF would want to give the undertakings that NZ On Air require before making grants from the $55M.
      
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      October 11, 2023 10:22am
- alex Masterley
  
  Yes, It is slow for me as well.
  
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  October 11, 2023 9:43am
  - Warren
    
    It has taken 2hours for me to have my pass word excepted and now find my comment that was saved has been deleted.
    
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    October 11, 2023 9:55am
    - Warren
      
      How can anyone trust the Prime Minister Chris Hipkins on anything to do with Co – Governance especially when he backed the former Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on the policy.
      Four days out from a election and Labour Prime Minister Chris Hipkins is encouraging Political Parties to be bold on Pro – Maori initiatives instead of fear around Co Governance.
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/499806/election-2023-chris-hipkins-urges-political-parties-to-be-bold-on-pro-maori-initiatives
      Chris Hipkins is clutching at straws as he throws Co Governance into the mix again in his quest of votes to win the Election .
      How anyone can take this lying Prime Minister’s word after the lies and misinformation he has created is beyond me and if people believe his bullshit you deserve the Government you get as his policies will divide New Zealander’s even more.
      
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      October 11, 2023 10:51am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Warren,
        We are seeing the desperation of the marxists.
        
        They have realised that this time they have failed to overthrow democracy.
        However , they are in every influential organisation in the country and many of them will obviously still be there under the next government. They have been indoctrinated through their education and their workplaces and a change of government can’t wipe that slate clean.
        
        This is the next main threat to getting the country back on its feet.
        
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        October 11, 2023 11:21am
- thirteenstars
  
  Google page speed insights for KB, mobile:
  
  https://pagespeed.web.dev/analysis/https-kiwiblog-co-nz/ujmid556ou?form_factor=mobile
  
  And desktop:
  
  https://pagespeed.web.dev/analysis/https-kiwiblog-co-nz/ujmid556ou?form_factor=desktop
  
  Don’t switch tabs while the analysis is running. Very poor performance on both, and the site is currently running as well as it has been all day.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:25am
- Dougal10
  
  Its because you are supposed to be on facebook watching the labour party message from NY instead , cindys hackers are on the case slowing down our other options.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:39am
Tomtoddy

A study done by Victoria University showed National, ACT and NZFirst’s campaign reflected “intense fear”. “The parties on the right have aimed to exploit fear when what we need to be is ‘tough on poverty’ not crime, and to care for people who commit crimes, not cage them. These fear-driven campaigns aren’t new in New Zealand. They are a classic part of colonial politics. To many politicians, gaining power in colonial states like New Zealand means becoming the worst of us capable of bringing out the worst in us”

“These are the racist parts of us that have been taught to see Māori as inferior savages unworthy of governing the lands and waters the Crown stole from them. These racist parts of us can also make us hypocrites who suddenly aren’t ‘tough on crime’ when it comes to the Crown’s crimes of genocidal violence and theft”. Pure communism being promoted.

We are paying people to study such dribble and them paying someone to print it.
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October 11, 2023 8:43am
- Gravelroad
  
  Any word in this “study” about the victims of crime?
  You know the ones, innocent people who have been bashed and robbed? Had their properties vandalised and torched?
  This study is just electioneering by the protected for the protected .
  
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  October 11, 2023 9:03am
- peterwn
  
  Labour also use ‘fear’ as a weapon such as delivering circulars rouns state housing areas saying National would skyrocket rents and sell the houses from under the tenants. Funny that the study does not embrace all parties.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:25am
- John Loveridge
  
  Dear God. Is that how they see the world?
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:29am
oldpark

It was hard to believe or imagine that after the terrible Murders, Gang Rapes Kidnapping of elderly people as well as very young mums and wee babies in Gaza and calls to eliminate Jews uttered by so many .
Yet it is also hard to believe that any Democratic loving NZ would call for the defenders of the massacred people by Hamas and their associates to be classed as Terrorists.
Yet in NZ a woman from the Commie Green Party wanted the armed forces the defenders of Israel to be also called terrorists .
Seems the woman has form against Israel .A few years ago she was caught and jailed for being part of an attempted blockade of a port in Israel .
Yes a Green MP called Marama Davidson from Commie Green Party in full flight last night made the call for Israel defenders against Murderers Gang Rapists Child and mother and elderly Kidnappers to be also known as Terrorists.
It is also beyond belief that any Political Green Party in NZ planning to enjoin with Labour and Maori Party at the coming General Election on Saturday has that type of destructive mentality .
Yes lest we forget or don’t know The Green Party masquerading as an environment saviour of NZ attacking Farming Community are more interested in sticking their noses into the affairs of other countries .
Maybe NZs voters should think long and hard about the type of Party that could be part of NZs next Government. Nuff Said.
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October 11, 2023 9:04am
- Raphael
  
  And the Greens are condemning Isreal for blockading the border as a response (saying this in cruel to the civilians in Gaza)….. Gaza also has a border with Egypt which also blockades it. Where is the criticism of Egypt?
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:42am
kglm

National’s election strategy has been abysmal. To much emphasis on running a “positive” campaign and insufficient on attacking Labour’s record where Labour is really vulnerable. It has played into Labour’s hands by confirming Labour’s accusations of Nat/ACT/NZF being a coalition of chaos by attacking NZF and talking of second elections. National should have ignored NZF – rather than counter-productively trying to persuade voters not to vote for NZF. Also National should have attacked Labour’s only path to power, the left’s potential coalition of chaos (Lab/Greens/ TMP/NZF).

Labour’s strategy has been good. Avoiding its record and repeatedly attacking National’s weak points (e.g. tax cut numbers don’t add up, and the coalition of chaos).

The only mitigating factor is that despite National’s strategic failures, not many voters are likely to switch votes from the right bloc to the left bloc, because of those failures, because of the strong depth of felling against Labour now. I think the principal result of the failures will be votes being transferred from National to ACT and NZF.
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October 11, 2023 9:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Luxon only stated the obvious, clearly he will not tolerate being pushed around by Peters
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:21am
- peterwn
  
  And what are your qualifications and experience that enable you to pontificate on how Chris, Bish, Nicola, Sylvia, Jo etc are running the campaign? They have done a damn good job despite difficult circumstances and a bribed media.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:29am
  - septic skeptic
    
    OK, name a few highlights of this damn good campaign!
    
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    October 11, 2023 11:57am
    - peterwn
      
      For starters Chris Luxon now polls as the most preferred Prime Minister. Also National has come from way behind in the polls to be at the forefront.
      
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      October 11, 2023 2:02pm
      - septic skeptic
        
        I agree Luxon’s preferred PM rating is up. IMO that’s people getting to know Chippy now that the honeymoon is over. NAT was ahead of Labour before the campaign started. I challenge you again to name a single issue where National (or ACT) have gained traction in the campaign and where you could think that voters are switching on that basis. Likewise, name a single ad that stands out. There has been no “show me the money” moment. Except maybe from the other side rebutting the tax proposal.
        I assume National thought the election un-loseable and have attempted to sleep walk to victory. I hope they were correct.
        
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        October 11, 2023 2:36pm
- Vinicius
  
  You’re right, National’s campaign has been a bit of an oddity. They handled the Winston Peters thing poorly and ended up helping him in the polls. They started by saying he isn’t currently in Parliament, then they went on the Road to Damascus and said they’d deal with NZF if they have to even though they don’t really like him. Then they had the dumb idea of babbling on about second elections.
  
  I realise because of the nature of MMP National feel they have to mollycoddle up to the centre ground vote. But, I’m a fiscal conservative and am very moderately liberal on social issues. I also think size of government in NZ has got far too big and flabby thanks to Labour, Ardern, Hipkins and Robertson. To get the economy fighting fit is going require real cuts in spending as Seymour has been hinting at. It remains to be seen if the Nats have the stomach for that.
  
  Throughout this election campaign I’ve been unsure what Nationals overall philosophy currently is. They seem to have lost they soul somewhat. Btw I did vote 2 ticks National this election. Another 3 years of Labour, no thanks.
  
  As for the result I think it will be something like DPF has predicted on the Curia Public Poll Average on the sidebar here at Kiwiblog. There will be a National lead coalition with ACT and NZF.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:57am
  - peterwn
    
    But it has worked! That is what is irking left wingers and media people.
    
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    October 11, 2023 2:03pm
    - Vinicius
      
      Can I give a bouquet here. I think Luxon has done a lot better in the campaign that some thought he would. He has improved during the media standups under intense scrutiny.
      
      It has been an odd campaign because the governing party is scared to run on its record and has turned very negative.
      
      I’m confident there will be a change in government.
      
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      October 11, 2023 2:13pm
- Philview
  
  Labour has the benefit that the media have no interest in scrutinising their record or analysising their policies. Watching TVNZ News over the last few weeks I can tell that Chris Hipkins likes sausage rolls, has had Covid and would like to remove GST on food. Cheaper sausage rolls perhaps!
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:19am
  - kowloon
    
    The Labour Party is actually devoid of any meaningful economically credible POlicies; much like the last two elections. Hopefully the electorate, having been burnt TWICE, won’t go anywhere near the hot ‘economic incinerator’ Labour coalition.
    
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    October 11, 2023 11:57am
  - Vinicius
    
    Re the MSM. Some examples of bias I’ve noticed.
    
    – Yesterday at Hipkins daily media standup, the questions were patsies. When its Luxon they’re like a pack of wolves.
    – 1News bulletins at lunchtime and 6pm give Hipkins much more favourable coverage.
    – Newshub’c coverage is very much from a left perspective both on the 6pm news and their website.
    – After debates when they have a panel of ‘experts’ there is nearly always more lefties. Usually, an ex-Labour MP or minister and no one from the right.
    – Rebecca Wright on Newshub a couple of weekends ago interviewing Luxon talked over top of him and was downright rude.
    – Maiki Sherman (1News) is clearly a leftie and biased.
    – Practically all the political journo’s on Stuff except Luke Malpass are lefties.
    – The media coverage by 1News and Stuff of The Press minor parties leaders debate afterwards was very slanted. I did watch the debate in full and how they reported on it was not balanced.
    – The NZ Herald have several journo’s who are lefties and biased.
    
    I’m sure there are plenty of others I’ve missed.
    
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    October 11, 2023 12:32pm
- sharont
  
  I think it is unfortunately Seymour who has not had a good election. His comments have undermined the perceived stability of a National/Act government and he continues to slide. National has gone up in the One News poll today.
  
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  October 11, 2023 8:05pm
cmm

In 2016, NZ vehicle theft rate was about number 3 in the world. Not great. Still about 3x what it is in Australia – the country we most like to compare ourselves to.
By 2018 it had increased by about 50%, propelling NZ to the top slot. About 5x the rate of Australia.
Since then it has really taken off. The latest figures are for 2022 and those place NZ head and shoulders above anyone else and about 7 or 8x the rate of Australia.
It would not be surprising if 2023 sees yet another rise.

Wake up NZ. The cute image we have of ourselves as a low-crime nation is woefully out of date.

This will continue because there are no negative consequences to crime – just up-sides.
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October 11, 2023 9:27am
- kowloon
  
  are no negative consequences to crime…….
  BUT, there ARE numerous individuals, organisations, and a political party or two making excuses for this behaviour.
  
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  October 11, 2023 9:55am
- Local Miller
  
  Up ticked, but it would help if you had some references to support the numbers.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:18am
  - cmm
    
    Sorry.
    
    Here’s 2018:
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1238378/car-theft-rate-country/
    
    Here’s the 2022 update from AMI.
    
    https://www.ami.co.nz/hub/2022-top-10-stolen-cars
    
    On my regular drive I go through Linwood (with the windows wound up). There’s a smashed up car (and I assume abandoned too) pointing the wrong way on Linwood Ave. Been there for over a week.
    
    There’s a burned out van on Eureka St (off Anzac Drive). Been there for almost a week.
    
    In 1995 I moved to Christchurch. You’d have to search hard to find any graffiti. The few bits were soon painted out. Now Chch has smashed up cars sitting around for weeks.
    
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    October 11, 2023 10:55am
- thirteenstars
  
  The graph:
  
  https://www.statista.com/statistics/1238378/car-theft-rate-country/#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20New%20Zealand%20had,Italy%20and%20the%20United%20States.
  
  Quite staggering.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:30am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  No worries. We’ll run out of Demios soon.
  
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  October 11, 2023 6:12pm
Jack5

The voice of bureaucracy …

Auckland Super City’s development agency is in Stuff today talking of attracting more technology migrants for its “tech sector”.

The agency’s name is a saga in itself. The organisation was created as Regional Facilities Auckland Ltd in September 2010. In November 2020, it changed its name to Auckland Unlimited Limited. In May last year it changed its name to Taktaki Auckland Unlimited. Ownership hasn’t change. The owner’s listed as “Auckland Council”.

How did the Companies Office allow such a name? “Limited” has specific legal meaning. For example, in a limited-liability company failure, liability for its debts is restricted to the entity itself, rather than including its owners. Use of the word in a firm name is restricted to such companies.

The Companies Act 1993, section 381, for example says:

Any person who, not being incorporated with limited liability, whether alone or with other persons, carries on business under a name or title of which “Limited” or a contraction or imitation of that word is the last word, commits an offence ..

Elsewhere, the Act says:

The registered name of a company must end with the word “Limited” or the words “Tāpui (Limited)” if the liability of the shareholders of the company is limited.

But here we have an Auckland Council owned company tacking “unlimited” into its name, just before “limited”, and the Companies Office accepting the change. The term “unlimited limited” is confusing if not nonsensical.

I didn’t know “Tapui” could be used, but note it seems to be required to be followed by “limited” in brackets.

FOOTNOTE: From time to time on Kiwiblog, poster and ex-politician Rodney Hide is blamed for the formation of the Auckland Super City.

Is this fair or accurate?

Are you there, Mr Hide? If you are indeed the political instigator, are you satisfied with the Auckland City outcome? If not, what did they do wrong?
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October 11, 2023 9:36am
- peterwn
  
  A limited liability company can use a brand name that does not contain the word ‘limited’ (indeed the brand name cannot contain the word ‘limited’). Of course it has to use its formal registered name (including Limited or Inc. as appropriate) in contracts or legal proceedings.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:35am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    It was about 30 or so years ago when a company sued my poor client. We produced the original of the invoice. It did not show the company’s full name. The judge threw the case out. Instead of paying the company the poor man paid me, the beancounter.
    I remarked that he should feel good as the money had gone to a good cause.
    
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    October 11, 2023 12:04pm
- Local Miller
  
  Rodney Hide was Local Government Minister behind the move to the Auckland Super City in 2010.
  
  Here’s what he was saying after 5 years.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/project-auckland-a-super-achievement/X4T7LAJY5CUE7PR47ZBUW3RR2E/
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:42am
  - Matt Long
    
    Me Hide cannot help it if Auckland proceeded to elect 12 years of socialist clowns to run their city’s finances into the ground.
    Should the Electoral Commission or voters be blamed for the last 6 years in New Zealand?
    
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    October 11, 2023 10:57am
    - imalwaysright
      
      M,
      Or blame Winston Peters for the last three years ?
      
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      October 11, 2023 11:28am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        He gets the blame for the last 6 years, if he had gone with English instead of hating, English would have still been pm, and Nats going for their 6th term, this crap that he had nothing to do with last term are talking shit
        
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        October 11, 2023 12:19pm
    - Jack5
      
      ML’s 10.57 ….
      
      Me Hide?
      
      Where Matt? 🙃
      
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      October 11, 2023 11:47am
      - Matt Long
        
        Fat fingers 😂
        
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        October 11, 2023 1:04pm
- cmm
  
  Unlimited is fairly common in company trading names.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:57am
  - Jack5
    
    CMM’s “Unlimited is fairly common” ….
    
    Trading names are not registration names.
    
    Of the 706,000 companies in NZ (figures for June, 2022), about 130 (about 0.018 per cent) have “unlimited” as the first word in their registered name (e.g. Unlimited Ventures Ltd of Motueka).
    
    That is not confusing in the way that the word “unlimited” immediately before the word “limited” is.
    
    Firms using “unlimited” in their names and which are not registered as limited companies do not conflict with the regulations.
    
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    October 11, 2023 11:16am
    - lifesgood
      
      What the hell does Taktaki mean? Just imagine the huge amount of rate payer money wasted on these name changes, new stationery, new signage, new etc, etc. For God’s sake, enough already.
      
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      October 11, 2023 2:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Once again, a Council fail. Who is the idiot who instigated this?
Most homes have a waste disposal unit. Who is going to mess about with a silly bucket?
It also attracts rats and roaming dogs.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/the-service-aucklanders-are-paying-for-that-majority-of-people-don-t-use/ar-AA1hWibV?
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October 11, 2023 9:46am
- kowloon
  
  Who is the idiot …are th idiot(s)…
  this is the result of ideology pretending that there is very low unemployment, by developing a council entity for ‘Designing and Implementing the distribution of Unnecessary Compost Bins’. Said entity probably employs about 100 otherwise unemployables, at an average salary of $95000; paid from your Rates.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:19am
- Swifty
  
  Ours arrived the other day and we have agreed that we’ll use it as a quirky little beer cooler outside by the BBQ. Just fill it with ice and away you go.
  
  I have a veg garden and we compost all our kitchen waste, veg scraps etc already.
  
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  October 11, 2023 12:42pm
I remember when

Neighbourly is running a poll to find which bills are worrying people the most.
Naturally, Groceries are polling the highest of the four options offered.
However, insurance is second well ahead of power/gas.
An interesting question would be to ask how many are no longer insured at all.
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October 11, 2023 9:51am
- Arthur Fleck
  
  I personally know of people including within my extended family who have given away contents insurance due to rising costs. My own insurance (house, contents, car) saw a $1500 increase when it rolled over a couple of months ago and I’ve been considering cutting back on insurance to ease the pressure.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:46am
- krazykiwi
  
  My rates as 2x insurances which includes 2 cars. Our rates were $798 in 2000 and they are $7025 today making them the second highest household cost after groceries.
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:26am
  - MCōs
    
    My rates went up 9.3% for 2023/24
    That’s on top of 15% the previous year
    They also went up by 20% in 2015/16, the year after I bought the house
    Fortunately we live in a modest million dollar abode. By a quirk of location some retirees with no interest in moving have seen much bigger rate rises.
    
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    October 11, 2023 12:18pm
Diogenes

Around 8am today, there was brief mention in an RNZ election roundup “live update” of a new poll that showed an increase in the Labour vote, and NZF up to about 8%. I didn’t have time to read the article at that time, and now can’t find any mention in either RNZ or Stuff (or NZH) of any such poll. I would have thought this would have made big headlines if it were true.

Can anyone throw some enlightenment on this?
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October 11, 2023 9:54am
- kowloon
  
  Guarantee that this is a Disinformation lie supporting the Labour party; and it will have no references to an actual public Poll. Only three more days of this disinformation for us thinking mortals to navigate!
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:25am
- Gravelroad
  
  I gather from worker who arrived here in state of disbelief about this poll that it comes from The Guardian.
  Whether that is the UK left wing Guardian – don’t know, as havn’t seen it myself.
  Worker wanted to know why ACT has had huge slide down in polls.
  Winston 1st up.
  Labour up.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:32am
- Spam
  
  Yes – Here
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:33am
  - Diogenes
    
    @spam – Many thanks for the link. Still surprised that the MSM haven’t led their various bulletins with this (not that I want to encourage them). Big question I suppose is how well does a Guardian Essential poll stack up against others? I’m quite happy for Labour to be given false hope.
    
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    October 11, 2023 10:52am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      One news have a poll tonight, it will show no change, snd they will well and truly have dissected tgd poll so will have chosen to not report the poll, it is a bomb shell as far as Newshub is concerned, but if they believe Lsbour has gained 15% support on as few days then it must be true, sarc
      
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      October 11, 2023 11:24am
  - emmess
    
    All polls here
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_New_Zealand_general_election
    
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    October 11, 2023 11:14am
- septic skeptic
  
  Guardian Essential Poll. Never heard of it before today. Newshub are going all in trying to get the red team across the line.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:42am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    One news gave ignore md it, they have the results of their poll that is delivered tonight, one thing is for sure, it will not show Labour getting 15% more support than last week as the Guardian poll says
    
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    October 11, 2023 12:22pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Google Guardians poll, it’s there, Labour up 3.2% really can’t we’d how they gained 15% support in a couple of days, yes NZF at 8% ahead of ACT at 7%.
  
  One news poll tonight, perhaps they have spread the word this poll today will be embarrassed tonight
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:52am
- Nickc2
  
  That was reported as a being from a Guardian Poll. AFIK, the Guardian News Rag has no credibility whatsoever.
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:49am
- sharont
  
  It is a Guardian “poll” but in reality is just an online panel that have been asked questions and I don’t know how they reached the conclusions they reach. I think it’s just the media with a last ditch effort to get Labour back in. The same with the Three News poll today which different markedly from TV One’s poll.
  
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  October 11, 2023 8:08pm
gorse

What is going on with Kiwiblog? It has been extremely slow for months now. Today, hopeless. Took two hours to get on. It is costing David money, I cancelled my Patreon payment to him a couple of months ago out of frustration with the slowness. It has driven me to reading comments on The BFD, which is instant to get onto. I have the fastest unlimited fibre connection, so it is not me.
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October 11, 2023 10:11am
- thirteenstars
  
  Indeed. DPF needs to fire his developer and hire someone who knows how to deploy a WordPress site, a fairly simple task by any measure.
  
  WordPress hosting is dirt cheap these days. WordPress.com (owned by the company that develops WordPress, no less) has a business-level account for $34/month.
  
  https://wordpress.com/pricing/
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:44am
- Sacha
  
  A few weeks ago I could not log on either. I thought I must have been banned for some reason and gave up trying.
  Then, after about 2 weeks, normal service returned.
  It’s not the internet provider.
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:15am
Matt Long

Green party Co leader calls out terrorists in minor party debate. Who? Israel of course.
https://x.com/IsraelInstNZ/status/1711680763140403306?s=20
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October 11, 2023 10:12am
- mogg
  
  Golda Meir said in the late sixties.
  “If Palestinians lay down their weapons there will be no more war, if we lay down our weapons there will be no more Israel”
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:34am
- Blog-aholic
  
  She cannot like Willie Jackson then because he is of jewish descent too…. or maybe he isn’t jewish enough???
  Delusional delusion = Marama.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:49am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Jackson is not the right type of jew
    
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    October 11, 2023 11:25am
  - Swifty
    
    [Mod – different mod, but thanks for clarifying. Not directing at you, but if everyone can just tone it down]
    
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    October 11, 2023 3:20pm
- Bevan
  
  Cant believe there were people in the audience that applauded what she said. Disgusting.
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:59am
Rusty

Ok who’s the rascal stopping people getting on KB?

I better say something constructive so Hipkins and Ian Foster to go this weekend.
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October 11, 2023 10:12am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hosking said when re resigns on Saturday night Labour can safely go eith NZF
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:26am
igm

Come on MSM, why are these facts not being provided to New Zealanders?
https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/10/10/secret-deals-made-for-11000-jab-exemptions/
Does the current government pay to have these reports withheld!
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October 11, 2023 10:13am
Maggie Pie

From last nites Press Debate…

“People who donate to the Greens actually vote to pay more tax”

– Marama Davidson.

Well that confirms it then….they ARE all complete F-wits.
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October 11, 2023 10:15am
- peterwn
  
  Like the Canadian taxpayer allocated a tax number SAP1234. He then realised what the tax agency really thought of him.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:39am
- septic skeptic
  
  Nope. They mostly derive all their income from taxes, so paying more tax really just increases the size of the trough they all sup at.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:46am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Exactly, Bureaucrats, Academics etc all want increased taxes AND increased wages for themselves.
    
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    October 11, 2023 11:22am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Fat chance of academic pay rises – the unis are all broke, largely because of poor management decisions.
      
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      October 11, 2023 11:41am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Point is that the solution is tax increases – funding increases – wage increases.
        
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        October 11, 2023 12:30pm
- amospicton
  
  Anyone who wants to pay more tax is welcome to do so. Just write a cheque (Ok, electronic transfer these days) to the IRD. No-one does so – why? because they want other people to pay more tax.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:47am
- Matt Long
  
  They vote for other people to pay more tax, although some of them may cut off their noses to spite their faces.
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:00am
- mogg
  
  Labour and the Greens in government together will be – tax the rich, labour will make wealth tax concessions during negotiations. Three more days and we will be rid of this zombie govt.
  
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  October 11, 2023 12:21pm
Gravelroad

It beats me why people with a “Green” mentality never address the issue of uncontrolled feral animals.
Do they not realise that there are thousands and thousands of wild deer, pigs, goats, rabbits, possums, cats (to name a few) free roaming the countryside, eating the grass and trees, drinking and sh…ting in “our rivers and streams.”
They are not regulated in any way. Not tested for diseases. They know nothing about fences.
There is little value in these animals, except for recreational hunting purposes where animals are killed for trophies and food – and not always in a “kind” way.
But they all emit methane – same as the lowly cow and sheep.
But no, just forget about all that and focus on getting rid of the well looked after, healthy, fence-controlled farm animals, which turn a profit for the country through export earnings.
And for the Greens, the best outcome of all is to destroy the livelihoods of farmers their families and rural communities.
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October 11, 2023 10:19am
- Matt Long
  
  Agreed, I wasn’t sure if your feral animals were Hama, Criminals, or green voters initially.
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:02am
- Rusty
  
  @Gravelroad
  The Greens have their roots in the new age/Gaia worship cults back in the 1970s.
  
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  October 11, 2023 12:40pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Feral animals are not regulated in any way? That’s incorrect – a large chunk of DOC’S budget goes on control of possums, stoats, rats and goats. But deer and pig numbers are currently too high, possibly because of the impact of lockdowns on hunting. And control of deer is always controversial because of the political influence of deer stalkers.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Luxon wants to keep co-governance going, renaming it ‘co-management’.
I have not voted yet. I wanted to get all the ducks in a row. Luxon wanting to keep Co-Governance under another name is childish. We are not children.
This has today confirmed for me that my Party Vote will go to Act.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/labour-will-be-out-but-will-the-replacements-be-any-better/?

A link to Michael Bassett. He is saying what we already know, but it is inclusive.

Also a link to Stop Co-Governance’s vision 2023 to 2026. The public need to read about, and understand the Treaty – the original Treaty. The activists have been brainwashing the public for 48 years. That is when the Waitangi Tribunal was formed and the Treaty re-written into a rogue version.
I will leave a link to the booklet in the comments.
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October 11, 2023 10:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Here is the Stop Co-Governance online Booklet.
  
  https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:36am
  - Piniwi
    
    Why is it not downloadable?
    
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    October 11, 2023 8:01pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Buy the book. They are$1. Buy 20 and give them away.
      All details are on the website.
      
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      October 12, 2023 9:25am
- peterwn
  
  That is the most appropriate thing to do. If you cannot stomach National policies then vote ACT, it would not cause any unintended harm such as voting Winston would.
  
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  October 11, 2023 10:41am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That’s the problem, this bullshit of not voting Nats, all voting ACT does is give a Nat led government, so they will have to stomach Nats, they may as well vote Labour if they can’t stomach Nats
    
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    October 11, 2023 11:30am
    - peterwn
      
      But if you cannot stomach National, you would have a hard time stomaching Labour (unless you are a leftie).
      
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      October 11, 2023 12:04pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That’s the stupidity of saying they can’t stomach Nats, I have said from the start, we have two choices
        
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        October 11, 2023 12:26pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Many of the hard core Labour voters think chippie is standing in while the still PM Ardern has a rest at Harvard
        
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        October 11, 2023 12:56pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Right peterwn while they have issued so many policy statements they have yet to make it clear that Co Governance is out completely. Likewise ALL 3 waters is gone and what will replace the DHB system abolished by Labour for a race based system. Also National candidate selection leaning towards some sort of diversity choice in preference to ability, experience and skill they have making ACT a better option for the tick.
    
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    October 11, 2023 8:48pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Good point on being treated like children S.O,
  We’ve had a gutsfull of that treatment from politicians and public servants.
  Look at where it has got us.
  We need a leader not a mediator.
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:03am
- thirteenstars
  
  Indeed. The Nats have been talking that line for quite some time, always referring to how shared control of many things has been working well. Oh, has it? What about public walkways being closed by DOC because local iwi issue a rahui following a tramper dropping dead of a heart attack, giving the forest time to heal? Or rahui being issued for marine catch but local iwi allowed to continue fishing because of “customary” rights?
  
  That’s co-management and it’s co-governance by any other name.
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:57am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Agreed. “Co-management” is what’s known as equivocation.
    
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    October 11, 2023 10:08pm
Chris2

A sensationlist front page Herald story today about unsucessfully wanna-be MP, Uini Symth alleging the National Party “broke the law” by demanding she declare her previous criminal convictions during pre-selection meetings is a complete crock.

In 2020 she declared her criminal DUI conviction to the party’s selection committee. When she applied again in 2023 for selection, seven years had elapsed since her conviction and she relied on her Cleam Slate Act eligibility to not declare the conviction at the 2023 selection meeting.

However a person on the 2020 committe was also on the 2023 comittee so he already knew about her DUI conviction and encouraged her to admit it – he was doing her a favout because he could have simply told members of the 2023 selection committe about her DUI conviction, and would not be breaching the Clean Slate Act in doing so. It is only Government agencies that hold criminal record information that are prohibited from disclosing conviction covered under the Clean Slate Act. Private individuals are under no such restriction but the Herald article wrongly suggests they are.

But instead Symth, because she missed out on selection, has gone to the media with wild allegations a few days before the election. National missed a bullet in not selecting this woman. The story is also an indicement on Herald reporter David Fisher’s fail to understand the Clean Slate Act before launching another hit-piece on the National party.
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October 11, 2023 10:36am
- Swifty
  
  I didn’t think clean slate covers drink driving because it is an imprisonable offence above a certain duration threshold (can’t remember exactly what).
  
  I looked into it years ago, because of my drink driving convictions of 30-35 years ago, and saw that, alas, my convictions were not covered.
  
  Has that changed?
  
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  October 11, 2023 12:33pm
  - Chris2
    
    Swifty – anyone sentenced to prison never gets the benefit of the Clean Slate Act. Unless you spent time in prison (or were disqualified idefinitly from drivin – happens with three DUI convictions in quick succession) then you are eligible for the Clean Slate.
    
    Is it possible when you requested your own criminal history you asked for your FULL history? If so, the Ministry of Justice will release your FULL history to you (and only you – no-one else).
    
    Try again but this time don’t ask for your FULL history and you will received exactly what an employer would receive:
    https://www.criminalrecords.govt.nz/Individual#
    
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    October 11, 2023 2:10pm
    - Swifty
      
      Ah, you’ve reminded me now, I went to the big house so that’ll be why I don’t get clean slate.
      
      Cheers. I knew there was a reason.
      
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      October 11, 2023 2:38pm
Tom Hunter

Between the lack of updates to the links section on the right-hand side of this homepage (“hompaddock” for example) and the month-long slowness, which has never been worse than this morning, I have to wonder if DPF is getting close to quitting this blog?
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October 11, 2023 10:40am
- thirteenstars
  
  If he’s not he’s doing a pretty good impression of it.
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:58am
  - ISeeRed
    
    I suspect the run-up to the election is a very busy time for him.
    
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    October 11, 2023 1:55pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      No doubt but DPF doesn’t need to do much except issue the instruction: make my website work properly so users aren’t experiencing huge wait times.
      
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      October 11, 2023 2:47pm
RRM

I’ve been googling the search terms “Israel” and “Gaza” to try to stay up-to-date with the news.

On day 1 most main international news agencies cameup in my search results.

On day 2 and ever since, nothing but Al Jazeera and The Guardian in my search results. Curious!
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October 11, 2023 10:41am
- kowtow
  
  Al Jazeera is Qatar owned.
  
  Qatar is a major backer of Hamas.
  
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  October 11, 2023 12:20pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  You know big tech is woke-idiot infected trash?
  
  Just ditch them all. There are plenty of ways to do this.
  
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  October 11, 2023 12:22pm
- alan
  
  Go to Amir Tsarfati on Telegram, He is an Israeli Christian and he posts all the news about Israel and the Middle East. He is on a plane back to Israel at the moment but is still posting updates. You could also go the “ The Times of Israel” who are updating the news on the war constantly but without the videos that Amir posts.
  
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  October 11, 2023 12:38pm
- alan
  
  These are Hammas hostages
  https://t.me/beholdisraelchannel/18781
  
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  October 11, 2023 12:47pm
stiff cheese

Why should young adults vote for either National or Labour?

They both contributed to our longstanding housing affordability crisis. The relentless house price inflation really skyrocketed under a Labour government (Helen Clark’s). Unfortunately, average incomes didn’t increase at the same rate…. Yep that’s under Labour, the “working man’s friend” (?)

How did John Key’s National government do on housing affordability?…. Promised to fix it but made it worse…. Ardern’s government?…. Yep, worse again.

This is the chart that proves Labour & Bollard caused the initial blowout: Median House Prices 1995-2007 | teara.govt.nz

From 1995-2002, average house price inflation* was 4.5% p.a. (Don Brash was Governor of the Reserve Bank during those years)

From 2002-2007, average house price inflation was 12.7% p.a. (under Alan Bollard. Governor appointed by Labour.)

So Brash’s 4.5% wasn’t great (inflation was supposed to be contained below 2%). But under Labour & Bollard, 12.7% was a real blowout!

The point is: houses used to be much cheaper compared to annual incomes. So, if you’re a young voter (1) aspiring to own your first ‘over-priced’ home; (2) struggling to save a deposit as the cost of living rises (thanks Labour!); and (3) scared of eye-watering mortgage rates, remember who did this to “your generation”: it was Labour and National. With NO solution in sight from either party…. Think about that if you haven’t voted yet.

*I used the Geometric Mean to get the average rate of change.
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October 11, 2023 10:43am
- Sacha
  
  EVERYTHING used to be much cheaper!
  In 1970 we bought our first house (a spacious 3br Californian bungalow) for $13,500. My husband’s salary was $970/year. The interest rates were 4% 1st mortgage, 6.5% 2nd mortgage.
  We managed to raise 3 kids, and pay it off in 14 years.
  Went for a holiday to celebrate – a weekend in Rotorua, pretending to be wealthy tourists!
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:30am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Your husband was paid $18/week?
    
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    October 11, 2023 12:03pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      My salary in 1970 was $5200 p/a. Was your husband a part timer ?
      
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      October 11, 2023 12:23pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Min wage was $1.95 and average was $4.50 in 1970.
    
    Minimum salary would have had to be at least $4000/year, average closer to $10k/year
    
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    October 11, 2023 2:27pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      A missing zero, perhaps
      
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      October 11, 2023 6:36pm
- miltonF
  
  It’s an economic illusion. It’s not so much that house prices have increased. It’s more that everyone has become impoverished and there’s been a big increase in inequality. Inflation hides this fact.
  
  People actually think they are doing well when their min wage goes up by $1.50. Not realising that house prices increased by $100k in the same year. ie they are going backwards.
  
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  October 11, 2023 1:16pm
  - artemisia
    
    Going backwards? Can’t eat a house price increase, but can eat an hourly increase in the minimum wage. And in any case, speaking simplistically, sell a house, buy similar in the same market – still can’t eat that price rise.
    
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    October 11, 2023 5:50pm
- Bullion
  
  Interesting. But first home buyers as a proportion of sales were higher under both Clarke and current Labour Govt than previous Nat Govt.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/455241/first-home-buyers-represented-26-percent-of-market-in-latest-quarter
  
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  October 11, 2023 1:19pm
krazykiwi

The Biden Family Tree: How Investigations are Exposing the Bidens’ Influence-Peddling Dynasty

Newly released evidence from the House Committee on Ways and Means reveals over $20 million coming from 23 separate countries on four continents to at least nine Biden family members. Not only are the Biden transfers becoming clear, so is the Biden family tree in this lucrative form of corruption
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October 11, 2023 10:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The more I read about the Biden Family, the more I think about Hunter’s laptop.
  I don’t think it was sent to the shop to be repaired, I think is was meant to be destroyed. Makes sense?
  When hard drives are wiped, the data can still be recovered. It is just that the data is still there but ‘unseen.’
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:03am
  - miltonF
    
    There’s no way they would have used an independent third party to do this.
    
    I worked in a PC repair shop for 10yrs and I can tell you there is nothing at all circumspect about the series of events, except for the fact that Hunter Biden is exceedingly stupid.
    
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    October 11, 2023 1:21pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      As one Ukrainian Oligarch, who was paying the Bidens said, “Hunter is dumber than my dog”
      
      That was in one of the emails on Hunters Laptop
      
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      October 11, 2023 2:57pm
  - cmm
    
    If you want to destroy the data on a laptop it is very, very easy.
    Smash it, take out the hard drive, beat it with a hammer many times, then burn what’s left in the bbq then throw the ash off a bridge.
    
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    October 11, 2023 3:24pm
    - mawm
      
      Is that you Hillary?
      
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      October 11, 2023 7:01pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Kraz
  
  The words politician and criminal are becoming synonymous .
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:05am
  - kevn
    
    imal… You can add certain MOH staff.
    
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    October 11, 2023 1:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The commenting, log in, posting links etc seems to have settled. Good job by whoever did it.
I clicked on a link to a Twitter/X page and could not get back out. Had to abort it and reload KB.
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October 11, 2023 11:07am
Sparrow

Is this the last throw of the dice from the incompetents. Just had a good laugh which was needed with the Middle East tragedy. I live rural on pot holed roads. Driving to shops was met with a multitude of road repair trucks and safety vested workers ,( not doing much) and countless orange cones. Wow what brought this on? Surely not an election ! The best laugh was yet to come. A major road has been one lane for months controlled by auto traffic lights. The service today further improved manned by a human with a stop/go sign. Lights still working was having difficulty synchronising his sign with the lights. Great fun !!!
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October 11, 2023 11:14am
pdm

I am sure Roy Morgan will have a Poll out before the Election.

Does anyone know when it will be released?
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October 11, 2023 11:14am
- Mrs_Right
  
  Looking at the 2020 election, their poll was the closest to the actual election results, still the difference was around 3% for each of the main parties. Reid got it wrong by about 5% for the main parties, which is alot!
  
  Roy Morgan’s last poll before the 2020 election was in September.
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:28am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It should have come out at the end of September, hardly say it will come out now, one news Varian tonight
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:33am
- Warren
  
  The latest Roy Morgan poll was out on October 10th but had nothing on New Zealand only on Australia and the Voice.
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:35am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They always do seperate polls
    
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    October 11, 2023 12:30pm
- Grunter
  
  Not sure, but I think it’s due out today. It’s the only poll that I think could be accurate.
  
  I still agree with Sir Bob Jones – and he has been very accurate for decades, so he has some form. He is still predicting a Labour bloodbath with an easy victory for Nats/ACT. Winston 1st will still get over 5%, but will be surplus to requirements.
  
  Remember to that last years local govt polls were completely wrong by a huge margin. So something has changed IMO.
  
  If the mainstream polls are correct, and they might be, then there will be a mass exodus to north Queensland!
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:40am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Fingers crossed!
    
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    October 11, 2023 6:38pm
SmokerGuy

So some poll from Guardian Essential poll comes out and Newshub flash it as a top headline because Labour’s support has gone up to 30. I bet a poll from this company wouldn’t even get a mention normally. Newshub is not even trying to hide their intention to give Labour a leg up now. Pathetic!
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October 11, 2023 11:26am
- hullkiwi
  
  After people see/hear dear former leaders social media plug for Hipkins and the Labour party, expect Labour to lose their “newly found support”!
  
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  October 11, 2023 12:18pm
- MCōs
  
  The numbers in that poll show ACT slip sliding away and Winston taking off, while there is only lukewarm support for the two main parties.
  While it’s only a few days from the Grand Final and all these polls will be forgotten, this is still fairly interesting today.
  
  I’m reminded of 50yrs ago when I lived in London and newspapers were king.
  The first edition of the Evening Standard came out at lunchtime and one day they had screaming headlines of world importance. I bought the paper after work to find out all about it. By then it was a small couple of inch article on page eight.
  
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  October 11, 2023 1:52pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It shows Lsbour have regained 15% support from Talbot mills and one news last week, that’s a huge amount of votes that have swung, I call bullshit, and I note that only 3% undecided, I don’t think k I have ever seen less than 5% undecided
    
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    October 11, 2023 3:25pm
Prince

I understand there was a National Party rally in Wgton last evening.
Anyone know how it went ? Nothing in the Media that I can find.
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October 11, 2023 11:45am
- MCōs
  
  There’s rallies all the time
  People are probably sick of them, and political polls.
  For myself I’ll be glad when Saturday rolls around and all this stuff is laid to rest.
  
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  October 11, 2023 12:35pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  A packed house
  
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  October 11, 2023 3:25pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Motor mouth David Seymour, say no more has single handedly dragged ACT into single digit and now even below Winston First. Both National and ACT are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
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October 11, 2023 11:52am
Jack5

Record immigration figures while inflation soars and the balance of payments stagnates in minus territory.

NZ’s GDP per capita is going to fall further in comparison with other developed countries. The CIA World Factbook already ranks us down to 42nd in the world.

What differs NZ from s Central America economic disasters is that the people are leaving those countries.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/133097653/net-immigration-smashes-record-to-top-110000
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October 11, 2023 11:54am
Maggie Pie

OMG! What’s going on in the world?

WATCH…
This is happening in Argentina right now….arsonist arrested 🙁

https://twitter.com/WxNB_/status/1711839307407794462
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October 11, 2023 11:55am
- Blog-aholic
  
  No, not arson it is clearly climate change.//
  
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  October 11, 2023 11:58am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Considering it’s been over 40C degrees there for the last few weeks you can understand people thinking that Bloggie. But no…..
    
    Police have arrested 27 yo Ulises Xarate and charged him with starting the blaze. Apparently he told them “he stopped to make himself a cup of coffee but because of the wind he lost control of the flames”.
    Sounds legit.
    
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    October 11, 2023 1:01pm
- Bullion
  
  I know there is a significant drought in the Amazon – not sure if the extent of that goes as far south as Argentina.
  
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  October 11, 2023 1:24pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Grass fire? Usually rips through pretty fast and doesn’t tend to damage a lot of buildings. The smoke doesn’t look like a forest fire. Could be wrong though.
  
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  October 11, 2023 7:07pm
Hugh Jarse

Should we make it easier for the media and suggest they just cover their front page with Labour/Greens good, National /Act bad in large block font ?. Their stories are all saying this anyway and it saves them having to go through any pretence of impartially.
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October 11, 2023 11:59am
- MCōs
  
  Richard Nixon blamed his downfall on biased press.
  
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  October 11, 2023 12:44pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    So???
    I’ve spoken to people about the election and they’re completely uninterested. I ask them why and they say that Labour/Greens/Maori are completely useless and when I ask about the Right they repeat the media position which is almost always misinformation. The fact is that the media is affecting people’s choices deliberately.
    
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    October 11, 2023 12:50pm
    - MCōs
      
      The point being it’s always the media’s fault if stuff is printed that you don’t want to hear.
      
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      October 11, 2023 1:20pm
      - Hugh Jarse
        
        My point is that it’s not about not wanting to hear things, I would just like to see some balance in reporting, I can accept that my party of preference doesn’t always get it right or have all the answers, but equally I don’t believe that the opposing parties has it right all the time either. It’s just that we don’t see coverage of poor performance from Labour. And there has been plenty of that over the last 6 years.
        
        In a lot of peoples view the media is not presenting a balanced view of parties. Labour have really nicely deflected all media attention onto Nationals policies and as a result have evaded examination of their policies such as they are and their track record. We see heaps of criticism of any supposed hole in a National budget or policy but Robertson walks off without question of his track record of wastefulness.
        
        We have health statistics which have been embargoed until after the election because they are apparently disastrous, no media coverage of that.
        
        There has been no examination of Labours ability to manage a Labour, Greens and Te Pati Maori caucus arguably a much more volatile mix of personalities that a National, ACT and NZ First caucus.
        
        The media took direct government funding and agree to not negatively report on some social constructs. They in effect agreed to self censorshp in exchange for funding.
        
        It’s a fact that 75% of the media identify as left or hard left. They also took $110M to present only a government approved view of a government programme thereby not allowing the cleansing light of sunshine in and allow a national conversation on those matters. I think that used to be the media’s role ?
        
        So it’s no surprise that people like me doubt their ability to not reflect their bias in what they report and what they don’t.
        
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        October 11, 2023 2:54pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Huh?
        Sometimes bias is just bias.
        
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        October 11, 2023 3:16pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  What is this “media” you speak of? 😉
  
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  October 11, 2023 2:20pm
- mogg
  
  Their bias is so overwhelming obvious that I think it is actually working in reverse.
  
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  October 11, 2023 2:23pm
Chris Nisbet

I’ve just received an email from ASB about my investments with them.
Sorry for the length of the post, but I think it’s worth a read…

”
Reducing the risk of climate change on your investments. Kia ora Chris

This year, many New Zealanders gained first‑hand experience of the dramatic impact extreme weather events linked to climate change can have on personal safety, homes, businesses and infrastructure. Climate change also imposes a significant financial cost – over 95,000 insurance claims in excess of NZ$2.4 billion were made after these events.
While the direct costs are significant, they are only part of the broader cost climate change is likely to impose on the global economy. The transition to a lower emissions economy will require high levels of investment for companies currently reliant on fossil fuels, such as coal, gas and diesel, as they seek to move to lower emission options to support their business operations.
These potential impacts from climate change are an important investment challenge. We believe it is essential to understand and seek to reduce these potential impacts to your funds, and ideally benefit from the transition to a lower emissions economy.

On 1 September 2023, ASB took steps to help manage this risk by moving our global equities asset class*, or international shares, to track a ‘Paris Aligned Index’, specifically the MSCI World ex Australia Climate Paris Aligned Index.
What is a Paris Aligned Index?

Paris Aligned Indexes are designed to help reduce climate‑related investment risk and help limit global temperature rise.
Specifically, the index aims to:

Target a reduction in emissions intensity, versus the broad global share market**, of at least 50%.
Deliver a decarbonisation rate of 10% year-on-year.

Reduce the Index’s exposure to physical risk arising from extreme weather events by at least 50%.

Increase the weight of companies that are exposed to climate transition opportunities and reduces the weight of companies exposed to climate transition risks.

Shift exposures from “brown” to “green,” at least doubling the exposure to green revenue.

Our goal in adopting this index is to seek to better manage climate‑related risks and by doing so enhance the long‑term value of your investments”

Nowhere did I read that their goal would be to maximise the return on my investment.
They also don’t seem to understand the difference between climate and weather, claiming that this year’s bad weather was due to climate change.

I don’t think I have much choice but to move my investment elsewhere, but it’s actually a bit tricky trying to find places that aren’t infected with this nonsense. Everywhere I look I find ESG nonsense.
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October 11, 2023 12:01pm
- rockape
  
  If you invest with ASB it’s invested through Blackrock.
  
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  October 11, 2023 12:49pm
goNZ1

from Stats NZ a short time ago –
”The net migration loss of New Zealand citizens for the same period is 42,600 – just below the record loss of 44,400 in the February 2012 year. And they’re mostly leaving for one place – Australia. The Stats NZ data shows in the March 2023 year, 53 percent of New Zealand citizens leaving were heading across the ditch ”

Our country and culture will never be the same – this level of brain drain is irreversible I fear,leaving far fewer taxpayers and enterprising Kiwis to fund the reckless govt spending and debt.
I doubt if there will be enough cops to contain the ferals and unemployables – good luck dealing with this Mr Luxon,you are sure going to need it mate!
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October 11, 2023 12:19pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  How many of the departees are new New Zealanders?
  
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  October 11, 2023 6:40pm
NZer In Exile

So, Victoria Aus state govt is now run by a majority of woke women. They’re already inflicting their “kindness” on the suburb of Collingwood by allowing public drunkenness. Locking anti-social drunktards up for the night is apparently too mean. They want a “sobering up facility” there, ontop of the (hard drug) injecting room that has been inflicted on the locals against their expressed will.
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October 11, 2023 12:47pm
NZer In Exile

Anyone here able to watch the NZ state TV broadcaster from overseas? If so which VPN works? They block most. I’d like to watch the NZ election night coverage from Aus.
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October 11, 2023 12:56pm
- Bullion
  
  It will be on Youtube
  
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  October 11, 2023 1:27pm
- Ghost
  
  DPF is on sky news Australia on Saturday for our election, so you can get updates there
  
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  October 11, 2023 1:32pm
- JFAP
  
  ExpressVPN works well for me in Adelaide. I’ve taken a free introductory 1-month subscription and watched all the NZ debates etc. without a problem.
  
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  October 11, 2023 2:22pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Thanks JFAP!
    
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    October 11, 2023 3:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

As Ehlana and I opined yesterday….
Michael Baker & Co’s number of 20,000 folk saved from Covid is meaningless tosh

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/ananish-chaudhuri-claims-about-new-zealand-saving-20-000-covid-lives-are-inaccurate-and-meaningless
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October 11, 2023 1:03pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I wonder if Baker mentioned the enormous cost (not just financial) and drop in standard of living we’re suffering as a result.
  
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  October 11, 2023 1:54pm
  - Keith White
    
    The Bakerite made out financially like a bandit with his very own trough the taxpayers were forced to fill.
    
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    October 11, 2023 5:30pm
Maggie Pie

Thort this was interesting?

According to one of the girls from tennis who knows shit…..she was just telling us there are nearly 300 Palestinians living in NZ, with an average age of 26.

Just saying.
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October 11, 2023 1:19pm
- MCōs
  
  What’s your point?
  Do you think they’re all terrorists?
  When the IRA was killing people in the UK it didn’t mean that all Irish in NZ were terrorists, did it?
  
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  October 11, 2023 1:27pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Certainly of no real concern at all Cossie.
    
    I’m sure we can all rest assured that in this country, the GCSB
    would be all over this like the UN on an anti-Israel resolution.
    
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    October 11, 2023 2:15pm
  - rockape
    
    Your right, but there is no doubt the Catholic community protected the IRA and the Protestant community protected the UDF.
    
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    October 11, 2023 3:03pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    MCōs: Without employing lefty mental gymnastics, anything in the Catholic texts that implore believers to kill members of other religions?
    
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    October 11, 2023 3:06pm
    - rockape
      
      It doesn’t have to be, it’s a tribal thing.
      
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      October 11, 2023 5:11pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        But strictly forbidden by God (according to the religious texts)? And punishable by frightful torments in the afterlife?
        
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        October 11, 2023 7:10pm
  - Keith White
    
    When the Australian terrorist was shooting innocents in mosques, we were told it meant all law-abiding firearms owners were implicated and the Government needed emergency laws to confiscate their weapons. So, the precedent you object to is well established.
    
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    October 11, 2023 3:19pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And also shared from the same source.
  Some may even find this interesting as well….
  
  https://twitter.com/ImamofPeace/status/1711875241557856373
  
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  October 11, 2023 1:56pm
- Littletramp
  
  It is not the run of the mill Palestinians that are the problem, it is their radical leadership – Hamas.
  Each time elections roll around, any opposition mysteriously end up dead.
  How do the people fix that?
  
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  October 11, 2023 4:02pm
Damocles11

These numbers are absolutely staggering. I can’t believe what is going on in this country. Huge numbers leaving, but they just bring hordes in to replace them. So freakin sad to see this nation being destroyed right before our eyes.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/10/annual-net-migration-surges-past-100-000-for-first-time-kiwis-leave-in-droves.html

‘A record number of migrants are moving to New Zealand while Kiwis leave in droves, according to the latest data released by Statistics New Zealand.

Stats NZ data, released on Wednesday, showed New Zealand recorded a net migration gain of 110,200 in the August year

The gain is driven by annual migrant arrivals reaching an all-time high of 225,000 in the same period. This is offset by 115,100 migrants leaving – slightly below the annual record of 117,400 in the February 2012 year.

The net migration loss of New Zealand citizens for the same period is 42,600 – just below the record loss of 44,400 in the February 2012 year. And they’re mostly leaving for one place – Australia. The Stats NZ data shows in the March 2023 year, 53 percent of New Zealand citizens leaving were heading across the ditch.

“Net migration continues to be driven by non-New Zealand citizen arrivals, with about 8 out of 9 migrants arriving on a non-New Zealand passport,” population indicators manager Tehseen Islam said.’
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October 11, 2023 1:36pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Many NACTors here will tell 200,000 foreigners migrating here is wonderful news and the hallmark of a dynamic modern economy. Indeed, we need even more foreigners to do the jobs Kiwis won’t do or our economy will cease to function.
  
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  October 11, 2023 2:11pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    Edit: “…will tell US that…”
    
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    October 11, 2023 5:02pm
  - Keith White
    
    Red: Certainly, no Kiwis were up for mass shootings in mosques; NZ Immigration had to let in an Aussie with an interesting and rather unusual recent travel history (Turkey, North Korea, Pakistan, Bulgaria, the Balkans etc.): and then NZ Police had to fail to vet him and had to happily give him a firearms licence without a face-to-face interview – without which there would have been no Christchurch massacre.
    
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    October 11, 2023 5:45pm
- cmm
  
  The raw numbers matter little. What matters is the quality.
  
  Well over 50% of the higher value people (especially younger STEM grads etc) I have encountered have left or are on the way out of NZ.
  
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  October 11, 2023 3:17pm
- sirknz
  
  No mention of where these new migrants are coming from, what qualifications they have, and what sort of work they have been involved in.
  
  We really don’t need 200k more uber drivers…
  
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  October 11, 2023 3:48pm
  - cmm
    
    Nor do we need 20,000 more Alloo lunch bars.
    
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    October 11, 2023 4:45pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    My cow cocky mates praise their Filipino workers.
    
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    October 11, 2023 4:47pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    “Our” immigration service already employ too many foreign nationals who I’m sure do what they can to let more of their own kind* in.
    
    *Yes, many ethnicities and nationalities are much more tribal and patriotic than they’ll admit in English to the nearest pale face. Some if not many view our generosity as weakness and stupidity to be exploited. (At my work, I am secretly learning Hindi and occasionally pick up snippets of dialogue that make my blood boil, but I do need to improve my listening comprehension in case I’m jumping the gun. I very much doubt the disdain or contempt some foreign workers express among themselves towards their host country or its native population is limited to one single supermarket.)
    
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    October 11, 2023 5:00pm
  - Jack5
    
    It’s not always easy to choose best immigrants.
    
    Here’s a couple who came to NZ from China on student visas.
    
    They later moved to Australia, no doubt enabled by NZ residency to get through the Tasman back door.
    
    In Australia they ripped off banks for more than $9 million, and now have been deported – to New Zealand.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/501-appeal-husband-and-wife-deported-from-australia-after-defrauding-banks-for-9m-in-loans/QOTXC6GVCNH4POR7RT7R6BPTVE/
    
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    October 11, 2023 10:23pm
goNZ1

just received this emailed dribble from Adern – (CAUTION -DISTURBING CONTENTS MAY OFFEND)
11-10-2023

”Hi Friend,

You haven’t heard from me for a while – when I left politics, I wanted to make sure that I left the stage for those who have taken on the huge job of leading our Party and the Government. But in the last few weeks I have been asked my opinion on the election, and so I wanted to share that with you.

Every election I have voted in has been an MMP election. I am proud that New Zealanders have made this system their own, and put so much thought into their election choices. But for all the complexity of MMP, how we vote should always come back to what we believe in.

And I believe in Labour.

Hi Friend,

You haven’t heard from me for a while – when I left politics, I wanted to make sure that I left the stage for those who have taken on the huge job of leading our Party and the Government. But in the last few weeks I have been asked my opinion on the election, and so I wanted to share that with you.

Every election I have voted in has been an MMP election. I am proud that New Zealanders have made this system their own, and put so much thought into their election choices. But for all the complexity of MMP, how we vote should always come back to what we believe in.
And I believe in Labour.

I believe that New Zealand can and should keep reducing child poverty. We have made huge gains for kids in our lowest-income households. But those gains will be lost unless we have a Labour government.

I believe that New Zealand can and should keep taking action on climate change. Our emissions are coming down, but we need to keep investing in climate initiatives if we want to keep making progress. That investment won’t happen unless there is a a Labour Government.

I believe that New Zealanders deserve a strong health system, and our children deserve the possible best education system. But these are the very services that always take a hit when other parties campaign on unfunded election promises. Only Labour will continue to invest in the core services New Zealanders rely on.

And finally, I believe in Chris Hipkins and the Labour team. I have worked with them, and I know them – that’s why I can tell you that they are in it for you.

We are in the final days of an election where every vote will make a difference, and that’s why we need your help. If you believe in the same things I do, then join me by donating to Labour.

I know what a difference your support will make. And I know what a difference a Labour Government can make.
Together, let’s make sure that’s what we deliver on Saturday.
Yours sincerely,

Jacinda Ardern
Proud Member of the Labour Party

P.S. Make sure you do get out and vote! The choice not to vote is a deliberate choice to hand someone else more power. What you believe in matters, and so does your vote!
A short note on donations:
Friend, we’re proud to be a truly people-powered Party, and it will only be through the generosity of thousands of supporters like you chipping in what you can that we’ll be able to keep up the progress we’ve made.

If you can, please click a button below to make a donation to our Party today so we can keep growing our movement, from now until election 2023. Our campaigning doesn’t stop now.

DONATE TODAY

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Authorised by Rob Salmond, 187 Featherston St, Wellington.”

ok lets have the KBer feedback on this one!
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October 11, 2023 1:45pm
- Swifty
  
  “We have failed spectacularly in delivering on our promises these last six years but would you please overlook that and fall for our glib aspirations once again like the good sheep you are….”
  
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  October 11, 2023 2:33pm
- Yabster
  
  awful awful awful woman- get off that mail list asap…
  
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  October 11, 2023 2:45pm
- What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
  
  Channeling MLK with the I believe BS…
  
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  October 11, 2023 3:33pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘ok lets have the KBer feedback on this one!’
  
  Whenever these drongos want something from the general public , you notice there’s not a single nga , mahi , whanau , A T rower.
  
  Cos I reckon they know it pisses off no end of us .
  
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  October 11, 2023 4:37pm
  - Swifty
    
    Hahahahaha!
    
    Great point kowtow.
    
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    October 11, 2023 8:24pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Aaargh – I’m triggered!
  
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  October 11, 2023 6:44pm
- Flossie
  
  I had to reach for a bucket! Ghastly smirking person…
  
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  October 11, 2023 6:46pm
Suze Wainwright

So after numerous needling tweets nitpicking National over tax policy figures and Chris Luxon ‘pulling out’ of a leaders’ debate, Thomas Coughlan now tweets that Te Pati Maori doesn’t believe in exports – and that is of concern…

Onya Tom.
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October 11, 2023 1:55pm
Yabster

hmm Indians, Phillipines and China driven- NZers- leaving in droves- appears Liemore have gone from no migration to open the flood gates- we are fucked anyway so lets really screw the country-

The bar graph illustrates whats happening…

https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/international-migration-june-2023/
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October 11, 2023 2:03pm
- Swifty
  
  All our best and brightest fleeing……
  
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  October 11, 2023 3:21pm
  - [email protected]
    
    True.
    
    And some leaving New Zealand because they are tired of paying higher taxes to take care of those that don’t want to work.
    
    Unless someone has a disability that prevents them from working there should be a life-time limit on state assistance.
    
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    October 11, 2023 6:36pm
- Damocles11
  
  Inbound ‘new Kiwis’ up 219%
  
  ——
  
  ‘Provisional estimates for the year ended June 2023 compared with the year ended June 2022 were:
  
  migrant arrivals: 195,200 (± 1,700), up 219 percent‘
  
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  October 11, 2023 6:20pm
Ghost

Hmm, a post for Maggie Pie?

https://m.facebook.com/video.php/?video_id=1665920470567676

Where’s the engagement ring?
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October 11, 2023 2:47pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  I feel like puking how far can that front lip draw back?
  
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  October 11, 2023 3:07pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  YIP…saw that earlier. Even though I do know sh!t can’t share sorry.
  
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  October 11, 2023 3:47pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Still not voting aye Maggie?
    
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    October 11, 2023 6:18pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Like my partner has always said….doing all the proper research to figure out which party will fcuk us over the least would be a full-time job. And with all due respect we have more impotant things to do with our time.
      
      Just saying 😀
      
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      October 11, 2023 7:16pm
      - Damocles11
        
        Unbelievable.
        
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        October 11, 2023 8:57pm
cmm

This has got to be about the most useless, and potentially dangerous, advice I have ever seen.

It does not help to be ready to flee violence. If you have to flee from violence then it has already found you and you have left it too late.

The choice is:
* Flee now. Don’t wait to face it.
* Be ready to face the violence.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/300986627/live-kiwis-in-israel-warned-to-be-ready-to-flee-violence
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October 11, 2023 3:14pm
- Keith White
  
  “It’s Stufftown, Jake.”
  
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  October 11, 2023 3:22pm
- kiwi_chileno
  
  The Chilean Air Force has already evacuated one plane load of Chilean nationals from Israel. Perhaps Mahuta should ask for Chile’s assistance to evacuate NZ’ers.
  
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  October 11, 2023 3:40pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    An Air Fiji charter flight has arrived at Ben Gurion to pick up a contingent of Pacific Islanders whose tour of the Holy Land has been cut short.
    
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    October 11, 2023 6:48pm
NZer In Exile

Is it sensible to have 20 something petite girls as front line police officers? Just wondering.
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October 11, 2023 3:22pm
- Keith White
  
  It should be fine because (a) there are few criminal biologists around to define them and (b) not doing that would be misogynistic.
  
  /sarc
  
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  October 11, 2023 3:35pm
What's the Frequency, Kenneth?

There is something suspicious about aussie cooking shows… presenters falling to sudden, early demises.
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October 11, 2023 3:24pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And let’s not forget Anthony Bourdain’s apparent ‘suicide’ in 2018.
  
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  October 11, 2023 4:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He did not suicide.
    He was about to expose a list of pedophiles. People known for getting rid of people were on that list. All gone quiet from Asia Argento.
    Bourdain was not the sort to do this.
    
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    October 11, 2023 5:05pm
Chuck Bird

Israel Hamas war: Don Brash and Margaret Murray-Benge describe escape from Israel after attack

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/israel-hamas-war-don-brash-and-margaret-murray-benge-describe-escape-from-israel-after-attack/5QUQQ5J6PVH4ZJPQCAVTSK722Y/
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October 11, 2023 3:30pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Good to see DB is OK.
  
  Would be a very frightening thing to fly out of an area that’s under rocket attack.
  
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  October 11, 2023 4:56pm
Maggie Pie

OMG you’ll luv this 😀

Took little Gladys around the block earlier for a poo.
There was a ‘Waste Management Skip’ sitting on the driveway of a neighbor’s home. Painted on the side was a sign which read –

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‘DANGER! Do Not Occupy This Bin For Any Purpose’
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LOL!!
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October 11, 2023 3:36pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  I’m hoping little Gladys is a fur baby.
  
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  October 11, 2023 7:13pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Apricot Toy Poodle….. and 10 times smarter than any Green MP 😀
    
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    October 11, 2023 7:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

OK, who has that spew bucket today?
Here is some nauseating shit.
“Dame Jacinda said she has “no hesitation” in sharing her opinion and believes child poverty will get worse if National wins the election.” This is Helen Clark 2.0.
Not adding any more quotes. Read it yourself and spew yourself!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/it-s-been-a-while-former-pm-ardern-reveals-opinion-on-election-in-social-media-post/ar-AA1i074o?
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October 11, 2023 3:36pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  OK so still going on like a hypocritical student activist.
  
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  October 11, 2023 7:27pm
- sharont
  
  “Child poverdy” has been Jacinta’s catch cry and she did not a thing about it.
  
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  October 11, 2023 8:18pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/300986998/sixmonthold-puppy-euthanised-after-violent-and-sickening-mistreatment
These ferals should have their names, photos and addresses published.
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October 11, 2023 3:56pm
Mrs_Right

This is from an email from David Seymour:

“After nine days of advanced voting, just 843,000 people have voted. That means voter turnout is much lower than at this time last election when a whopping 1,415,000 votes had been cast.”

It will be interesting to see if in fact this election will have a low turn out.
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October 11, 2023 4:10pm
- Ghost
  
  Last election was different. People got out and voted thinking we could have another lock down and wanted to vote before it could happen
  
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  October 11, 2023 4:44pm
  - kevn
    
    Ghost… and were rewarded with another lockdown.
    
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    October 11, 2023 4:55pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The amount of the control that Woman had is amazing.
      
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      October 11, 2023 6:12pm
      - Warren
        
        I believe Jacinda Ardern will lose votes for Labour through her arrogance and lies that saw her resign.There has been a lot more people condemn what she did now they have had time to think about it and were pissed off on the way she resigned.
        You lose support of older people and you pay in the polls, so the low voted turnout that we are seeing does not look good for Labour.
        
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        October 11, 2023 6:31pm
      - H. Upmann
        
        Amazing is not the word I would use Steve.
        
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        October 11, 2023 7:23pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  My partner’s mum reckons Labor voters dont get their lazy arses out of bed if it’s raining . Lets hope it’s absolutely pissing-down on Saturday. 😀
  
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  October 11, 2023 4:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You are out the doing the Remuera ‘Rain Dance’
    Oh wait, some of the Remers people go Green so it makes them feel they saved climate change.’ ——
    
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    October 11, 2023 6:16pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I’d say many are resigned to the collapse of the clown show and will be getting wasted on that day.
    
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    October 11, 2023 7:15pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Have to be wasted to even think about voting Labour or Greens
      
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      October 12, 2023 9:31am
- [email protected]
  
  Just how does Mr. Seymour know that 843,000 people have voted?
  
  Supposedly “Ballot boxes remained unopened until the count begins”. There didn’t appear to be anyone clicking a counting machine where we voted.
  
  Counting starts on election day.
  
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  October 11, 2023 6:18pm
  - Ghost
    
    Because the electoral commission has been releasing daily how many people have voted
    
    https://vote.nz/2023-general-election/resources/voting-statistics/
    
    Ballot boxes are locked until Election Day when counting starts. But they know how many people are voting.
    
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    October 11, 2023 6:26pm
    - rockape
      
      They know how many voting forms are issued. No conspiracy mate.
      
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      October 11, 2023 6:43pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It was states in the media that is how many people had voted up until yesterday
    
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    October 11, 2023 6:27pm
- NothingLeft
  
  I checked, it was about 700000 at the same point in 2017
  
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  October 11, 2023 7:43pm
cmm

What I want to know is how this scumbag was even in the Army.

He’s clearly no spring chicken yet he is only a Lance Corporal. That’s the absolute lowest rank in the Army.

I assume, given his age, he’s been in the Army for quite a while. Anyone who can’t make at least full corporal within 5 years is a waste of space in a small army and should be thrown out.

I am also a bit surprised that female soldiers are not able to defend themselves a bit better, but that’s a different issue.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/133058604/army-soldier-dismissed-for-indecently-assaulting-subordinates-after-boozy-day-out
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October 11, 2023 4:41pm
- peterwn
  
  “he is only a Lance Corporal. That’s the absolute lowest rank in the Army.” No. It is the second lowest rank above Private (ordinary soldier)..
  
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  October 13, 2023 9:00am
Damocles11

In the latest polls the Right bloc is under the pump, looks like ‘the covid people’ and religious conservatives are drifting off to flakey outfits like NZ Loyal that won’t get over the threshold.
The awful Greens continue to poll strongly, picking up the numpty, gang, and anti-semitic vote.
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October 11, 2023 6:17pm
- Cinematic
  
  According to the latest Act email we’re headed for a very low voter turnout. Advantage centre right. Predicting Winston First will fall agonisingly short of 5% and Greens vote will end up in single digits.
  
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  October 11, 2023 6:43pm
  - Ghost
    
    more people voted early because of Covid in 2020, but looking at the stats, the early voting this year is above 2017
    
    https://vote.nz/2023-general-election/resources/voting-statistics/
    
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    October 11, 2023 6:54pm
    - Cinematic
      
      Thanks Ghost. Looks like it may dip back under 2017. I haven’t voted yet but don’t usually do so until the day.
      
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      October 11, 2023 7:02pm
rockape

Anyone who trusts Winston Peters is a dumbarse. How many court findings against him, how many false accusations has he made?
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October 11, 2023 6:41pm
- Damocles11
  
  The latest one from Peters is that he’ll ‘deal to the overseas banks’. I’ll believe it when I see it.
  
  ‘Got annoying neighbours? Vote NZ First and we’ll take care of that for you.’
  
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  October 11, 2023 6:44pm
- Swifty
  
  If people think there is no chance Winston will renege and go with Labour and place their vote with him as a consequence – then they are being very unwise and are clearly ignorant of his history.
  
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  October 11, 2023 6:57pm
  - sharont
    
    I agree. He will likely say, “National/Act didn’t want me”.
    
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    October 11, 2023 8:15pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Swifty: The prime minister has made it absolutely clear that there will be no arrangement with NZ First. So, even if Winston were to “renege” (no doubt claiming some sort of moral high ground), that will not change, regardless of the final outcome of the election, unless, of course, Hipkins were to be deposed sometime next month (which, in my view, would be extremely unlikely).
    
    There will not be a second election (in March?) – Winston has made that quite clear. Therefore, in my opinion, if it comes down to Winston holding the balance of power, he (according to himself, being the “adult in the room”) will go with National, or, if the animosity between Peters and Seymour is to be believed, give National confidence and supply (and sit on the cross benches), making sure that NZ First has meaningful input in all the NACT’s proposed legislation.
    
    In the possible event of this arrangement breaking down, there could be an “snap” election, say, in 2025, but not necessarily so. Who knows, something could happen whereby a sufficient number of NZ First or ACT NZ MPs (or even MPs from both parties) could break away and enable Luxon to see out the term as prime minister, as happened in 1998 with Shipley.
    
    So, in my view, whichever way it all plays out, there will be a change of government after Saturday. Both polls this evening make it clear that Labour, the Greens, and Te Pāti Māori, together, will not make it to 61 (or more) seats.
    
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    October 11, 2023 9:16pm
Maggie Pie

“Join us Saturday at 6pm on OneEwes for the Election coverage”

Jack Tame, Jessica Mutch, and John Campbell walk into a bar…..

SHEESH!!!
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October 11, 2023 6:45pm
- SmokerGuy
  
  For some completely impartial coverage I’m sure 😂
  
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  October 11, 2023 6:50pm
- Flossie
  
  Not happening in this house! Any one of these on their own is bad enough but all of them – no thanks.
  
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  October 11, 2023 6:54pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  That’s two wethers and a gummy ewe.
  
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  October 11, 2023 6:55pm
  - Swifty
    
    Hahaha!
    
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    October 11, 2023 8:28pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  No way will I be watching the election results on One.
  Even the goofy Paddy on Three is way preferable to the insufferable John Campbell.
  
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  October 11, 2023 8:48pm
  - emmess
    
    Will there be any live streams?
    
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    October 11, 2023 9:01pm
- Ghost
  
  Pass, I’m going to be busy not watching any tv coverage. I really only care to see Meager kick the useless luxton back to her day care center so will just monitor on the vote.nz site the results
  
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  October 11, 2023 8:54pm
Philview

Any thoughts on the Newshub poll? Ignoring NZ First, the left bloc are in the lead after National’s support collapses.
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October 11, 2023 6:54pm
- Cinematic
  
  Rogue.
  
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  October 11, 2023 7:03pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  One news have it Nats 37% ACT dropping further to 8,8% Lab 27, Greens 14
  
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  October 11, 2023 7:45pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Of course they do
    
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    October 11, 2023 7:53pm
    - sharont
      
      TV3 has the right bloc dropping even further – of course they do – trying to create the false impression that Labour still has a chance. This is the most media-drive election I have ever seen. Hopefully Luxon and Seymour have done enough on their own without the assistance of the media to get over the line without Winston.
      
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      October 11, 2023 8:10pm
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  Markedly different from the TV1 poll which has National up to 37%. One poll must be wrong. Which one? TV1 has been the most consistent. TV3 has been up and down. Only a couple of days to wait.
  
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cmm

Cal Wilson said she had terrible taste in men in her 20s.
No doubt it went both ways – they had terrible taste too.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/300987033/cal-wilson-i-had-terrible-taste-in-men-in-my-20s-i-was-attracted-to-the-bad-boys
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Warren

Three Now wants you to believe the Left are in control of the 2023 General Election. This is quite convenient for Jenna Lynch as it’s the last poll before the Election.
I hope if National Act do eventually win this Election they hang TV Three out to dry and refuse to bale them out of there revenue problems.
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  Surely for the Left to be ‘in control’ would mean both Hipkins and Peters have been flat out lying to us.
  
  On second thoughts, she’s probably correct.
  
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