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Warren

New Zealand journalism keeps hitting more lows with the respect shown by journalists in the continued saga of who gets what after our general election on October 14th 2023 and the special votes count that has followed, now whether you like National Leader and elect Prime Minister Chris Luxon or not he deserves respect for who and what he does from the media .
Now on last night’s Three News in a story on the news we had Amelia Wade calling the elect Prime Minister Chris Luxon by his surname “Luxon” throughout the story she was giving on TV3 News which in my opinion is rude and degrading from someone so young in our media and a continuation of the dislike senior journalists Jenna Lynch and Lloyd Burr have given in their assumptions about Chris Luxon before during and now when he is the Prime Minister elect for New Zealander’s.
Inever thought that the New Zealand Media could or would stoop so low in our country’s Politics but obviously they have a agenda that they have to meet for themselves and that seems to be destroy Christopher Luxon at all costs.
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November 5, 2023 8:03am
- Taieri
  
  elect Prime Minister
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  There’s no such thing as “elect Prime Minister” in NZ. The PM is appointed by the Governor General, based on the likelihood of such person to have the support of the Parliament.
  
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  November 5, 2023 10:11am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Yes, any MP could be PM.
    
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    November 5, 2023 10:29am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No they can not ffs, who apart from Luxon could be pm ffs
      
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      November 5, 2023 1:06pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Read the statement . Don’t get emotional.
        
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        November 5, 2023 4:50pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No, I have had a guts full, only one person after this election can be pm, I do not need to read anything, why do o I have to listen to this utter bullshittery
      
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      November 5, 2023 9:28pm
  - Warren
    
    Wow I am wrong then Taieri but why have the media called him Prime Minister elect while Chris Hipkins was doing the job until National can put a Government together.
    Surely you can see that the disrespect that junior Journalists have been giving to members in Parliament is no different to the gangs and needs to be stamped out
    as it would have never happened under former Prime Minister’s. I am criticizing the way our youth treat others that are older and hold high positions.
    There is no respect nowadays where there should be. You might not like him but he still holds a high position in NZ politics even the Leader of National is more appropriate as is his proper name of Christopher Luxon, not Luxon which Amelia Wade used all the way through her story.
    
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    November 5, 2023 11:31am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Chris Luxon is Prime Minister Elect.
      
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      November 5, 2023 11:46am
      - Ghost
        
        No. Taieri Is correct. Christopher Luxon is the leader of the party with the most votes and now has to work to form a government. We don’t have a USA system where the winner becomes president elect. Luxon does not become prime minister until he can form a government. The USA elect term is slipping into our elections. The point that shows Luxon is not prime minister elect is that Winston could still go, he won’t, to labour and form a government with labour, greens and Māori.
        
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        November 5, 2023 11:53am
      - MCōs
        
        Luxon is not PM elect inasmuch as he wasn’t elected to be PM
        I don’t know. Maybe he’s PM in waiting
        Who cares
        He’s not PM yet, but he soon will be.
        In the meantime he’s powerless as David Lange found out when he wanted to devalue the dollar and Muldoon, who was still the lame duck PM refused to cooperate
        
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        November 5, 2023 5:27pm
    - Taieri
      
      You might not like him
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      I don’t know him so I’m neutral and neither like nor dislike him. Will tell you what I think after I have seen him in action. Christopher Luxon happens to represent my preferred political option, but that’s not enough of a reason to get ecstatic.
      My comment was – to reiterate – there’s no such thing as an elect PM, because we do not elect him/her. A prime example: the National Party won the 2017 Election, yet its then leader, Bill English, never got the top job.
      
      Disclaimer: both of my votes went to National in the last election, as they did in all elections I voted in bar one. In 2011 my electorate vote went to a candidate from another party.
      
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      November 5, 2023 1:16pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Correction—
        
        “A prime example: the National Party received the most votes at the 2017 Election, […].”
        
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        November 5, 2023 3:09pm
  - crikey
    
    Taieri: … based on the likelihood of such person to have the support of his/her/their Party and is able to convince the GG he/she/they can form a government.
    
    Under these circumstances, the GG gets out the rubber stamp.
    
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    November 5, 2023 12:24pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Luxon might like to hold himself a little differently and not be so eager to indulge these idiots.
  
  In his post-results presser I was struck by how much he resembled Ricky Gervais’ David Brent from The Office.
  
  More generally I’ve never like the proximity of journalists to the PM and other ministers. The mic-in-face, “door stop” press scrum, it’s very undignified. The Chief of Staff needs to put a rocket up the press secretary and have some decorum enforced, including less of a shouting match during press conferences with reporters yelling over each other.
  
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  November 5, 2023 10:43am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I thought he had been doing well not playing medias game, he refuses to take the shit from the likes of McKay after suggesting they are the fourth estate, if he was not seen and became silent the usual suspects would be saying he is weak, let’s give him his chance
    
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    November 5, 2023 1:09pm
- Happy1
  
  Warren, referring to Mr Luxon by his surname is neither rude nor disrespectful. It is well within the social norms and I doubt that Mr Luxon is the slightest bit concerned. You yourself use the Christian name Chris when his preferred name is Christopher.
  
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  November 5, 2023 11:19am
  - Lance
    
    According to the post they were just sayiong “Luxon” which is disrespectual.
    Calling him Mr Luxon is respectful
    
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    November 5, 2023 12:59pm
    - Ghost
      
      Bullshit. They’ve been using last names as most here do for a long time. Stop being precious and offended at the drop of a hat
      
      Ardern’s resignation as prime minister is a game changer for the 2023 election
      
      Ardern focuses on lifting children from poverty in first US speech
      
      key: ‘Marriage rock solid, health tickety boo’
      
      Shock, tears, as Clark quits
      
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      November 5, 2023 1:14pm
      - Ghost
        
        Shit! let’s got back to the Muldoon snap election, you will notice in the news clip the headline “Lange offers caretaker government”
        
        https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/eyewitness-news-snap-election-setup-1984
        
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        November 5, 2023 1:42pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They never called Cindy Ardern
    
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    November 5, 2023 1:10pm
    - alwyn.a
      
      Here is a Herald story from 2022. They once, at the beginning, give her full name and title.
      After that we just get the surname Ardern, as in “Ardern and” or “trips Ardern is” and “Ardern said” and so on.
      Just once in the first sentence did they say “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern”.
      So no. They treated her just the same way they treat Luxon. They just don’t have a suitable title yet for the first mention in any story.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-to-travel-to-singapore-japan-in-first-international-trip-since-covid-19/H2TDAF5MG7BX3MJHBRS2CVMBGQ/
      
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      November 5, 2023 4:13pm
      - Ghost
        
        It’s stupid that people are getting butt hurt because the media use last names. It’s nothing new
        
        Here is an article from 1925 “Churchill Budget Speech States Britain Resumes Gold Standard”
        
        https://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/651238
        
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        November 5, 2023 4:25pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Well their agenda has failed, I am sure when polling resumes Luxon will be the benefit of voting for change, hopefully they have the usual pre Christmas poll it will be interesting
  
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  November 5, 2023 11:30am
- Ghost
  
  People look for offence and create it where there is none.
  
  Btw his name is Christopher not Chris, if you want to go down that path
  
  Btw were you equally offended when the media would refer to Ardern, Key, English, Little, Hipkins by their last name?
  
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  November 5, 2023 11:30am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They never called Ardern by her last name, it was always Jacinda Ardern, and Andrew Little, and sickening the constant bullshit of Chippy which grated me, but you are right, it was always Key and English, and they still mention Muldoon ffs
    
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    November 5, 2023 1:12pm
    - Ghost
      
      Bullshit
      
      Ardern’s resignation as prime minister is a game changer for the 2023 election
      
      Ardern focuses on lifting children from poverty in first US speech
      
      Shock, tears, as Clark quits
      
      Little the latest among Labour’s short-lived leaders
      
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      November 5, 2023 1:16pm
      - Ghost
        
        Hell, let’s go back 23 years
        
        AA helps Lange win battle with the booze
        
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        November 5, 2023 1:29pm
- all true
  
  The media is the most corrupted outfit ever seen.
  
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  November 5, 2023 12:43pm
Prince

What does Ashley Bloomfield, and TVNZ think they are doing with the latest ad for Anika Moa’s new show.
Having Moa sprawled out on a couch trying to ‘light my own farts’, while Bloomfield looks on laughing, does nobody any good. Is this the new ‘Aotearoa’ we are being sold

Bloomfield, who personally declined parents’ requests to attend their own child’s funeral a couple of years ago, is now plumbing the depths of decency even further. I shouldn’t be surprised – he and Ardern were typical examples of branding over substance.
A fawning media treated him as a superstar. Old ladies knitted him scarves. TV News covered his appearance as a ‘celebrity’ in a rugby game.
Now here he is, slumped in an armchair trying to look enthralled about some lowlife trying to light their farts.

You can fool everyone some of the time, and some people all of the time, but eventually the truth will out.
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November 5, 2023 8:04am
- imalwaysright
  
  Prince,
  
  I think she was making a thinly veiled statement on Ashley’s role in the covid scam.
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:42am
  - I remember when
    
    Thinly veiled, so not Islamic.
    
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    November 5, 2023 1:54pm
- kowtow
  
  He declared from the podium of sole truth that swimming ( when done in the company of fellow Branch Covidians) was not swimming.
  
  While the rest of the so called lockdown breakers were hounded and villified by his allies in the so called fourth estate and ended up not just in the kangoroo court of public opinion but also the courts of law .
  
  What a terrible time we were forced to endure .
  
  Now it’s left to us to pay the full consequences of their madness.
  
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  November 5, 2023 10:16am
  - I remember when
    
    I think he meant that it isn’t swimming because they were clearly out of their depth.
    
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    November 5, 2023 1:57pm
- bennerg
  
  I keep calling for a petition to remove his knighthood, and Arderns damehood. These are not people to look up to.
  
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  November 5, 2023 10:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I want to see Bloomfield on the spot and asked the questions that our useless media would not ask.
  There were occasions when he clearly lied to NZ.
  He ran away, just like Ardern. Cowards.
  
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  November 5, 2023 10:30am
Jethrod

0819……an echo chamber…….
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November 5, 2023 8:20am
KH

Guys on foot versus tanks.
https://www.southfront.press/in-video-desperate-palestinian-attacks-on-israeli-merkava-tanks/
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November 5, 2023 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  The same”guys” who slaughter babies and children and take hundreds of hostages . Armed and funded by Tehran for a fanatical religious war against democracy and decency .
  
  You can tell alot about a person by their friends.
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:40am
  - KH
    
    You can tell a lot about a person by their rants kowtow.
    
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    November 5, 2023 10:24am
    - Lance
      
      Irony alert
      
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      November 5, 2023 1:01pm
Tasman devil

Where is Chippy the boy from the Hutt?
The sausage roll industry is in crisis.

We need your incompetence more than ever.
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November 5, 2023 8:25am
- lastmanstanding
  
  After six years of sconomic terrorism social terrorism and racial terrorism one hopes the new Government can repair the economy restore social cohension and eliminate Maori and “others” and establish that all citizens are equal regardless of race.
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:38am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Eliminate Māori? Surely you mean the Māori separatist agenda, surely you do not mean Māori in general?
    
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    November 5, 2023 11:33am
Matt Long

Yesterday Phil Twyford found out that not hating Jews enough in your speech to the “progressive” mob will get you shouted down and flee for your safety.
The mask is coming off the left.
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November 5, 2023 8:38am
- kowtow
  
  Some detail and context would be good .
  
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  November 5, 2023 8:55am
  - Matt Long
    
    Here we go, read the Kyle Church Tweets for the visceral hated the left has for dissenting voices.
    https://x.com/PronouncedHare/status/1720885306759733393?s=20
    
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    November 5, 2023 9:25am
- rouppe
  
  1. I hope Twyford actually learns from that, and realises that activist Greens are not your friend.
  
  2. Interesting that Chloe Swarbrick was wholeheartedly cheered at that gathering, yet I can’t find anything significant that she’s said, since
  
  3. It’s Golriz that has one again popped up to represent Palestinians in Gaza.
  
  One might imagine Golriz might be more effective running for government there. (yes, sarc). It’s a wonder she didn’t do another fake hair cutting exercise
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:12am
  - kowtow
    
    matt long, rouppe
    
    I take it he was a speaker at the Auckland hug hamas terror festival and he had the temerity ( rightly) to mention the terrible situation of the hostages , people the self described,so called “Greens” have no concern for , along with their Islamist allies and other far left extremists ?
    
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    November 5, 2023 9:51am
    - rouppe
      
      Yes he was, and I’m not sure what he got to say, the clip showed him being shouted down and then him leaving.
      
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      November 5, 2023 10:53am
      - kowtow
        
        ty
        
        If it weren’t so serious , the plight of the hostages so pitiful , the whole hug Hamas , terror appeasers crowd spectrum of lefty loser / white supremacist anti semetic pogromists would bring the Judean People’s Liberation Front to mind……..
        
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        November 5, 2023 11:23am
  - emmess
    
    Is Chloe the most famous ‘ Queer for Palestine’ in this part of the world atleast?
    
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    November 5, 2023 11:57am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Send her there, they might tear her a new one
      
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      November 5, 2023 1:14pm
- Jack5
  
  The “Left” and “Right” distinction fails on many issues.
  
  Think of our National Party’s embrace of Communist China links.
  
  Think of Western media, led by the BBC, branding as “right wing” the Communist generals who tried to stop Yeltsin’s unwinding of the Soviet Union.
  
  Think of the democratic socialism, with the kibbutz movement, so strong in the development of Israel.
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:45am
- Surely Knott
  
  Agree. Phil Twyford gave sympathy for innocent civilians from Palestine and also Israel who have lost their lives. And the radical left (which is just the left) lose it. What happened to NZ’s slogan of universal support for victims of terrorism “They are us. “
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:51am
  - kowtow
    
    That was an Ardernism.
    
    I’ll just leave that there.
    
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    November 5, 2023 10:49am
- Ruawai
  
  Far left eating the left and the left not liking it.
  
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  November 5, 2023 10:21am
cmm

After the expense to get rid of a turtle in 2019, I shudder to think what a sperm whale is going to cost us.

If a powhiri for a turtle is $5k (and other expenses added up to well over $12k) then a sperm whale must be good for $50k.

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/turtle
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November 5, 2023 8:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Other People’s Money.
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:10am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The reports describe a blessing for the dead whale, after which it was removed for burial.
  
  No mention of local Maoris taking a chainsaw to its jaw, but sperm whale teeth are valuable for carving purposes & undoubtedly have been removed.
  
  Looks like the MSM are happy to gloss over this point.
  
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  November 5, 2023 3:26pm
Clownworld

Predictions for rest of 2023 to November 2024
1. New UN initated global health ” emergency”
2. Escalated war in Middle East
3. Iran and Russia via Syria attack Israel.
4. CDC currencies start rolling out across 20+ countries
5. Massive cyber attack
6. Artists release From the river to the sea album
7. Europe falls to Winter Spring riots
8. Despotic govts use emergency powers to surveil and lick populations down.
9. Food shortages except bugz
10. New identity laws include a phone or chip implant.

Feel free to add yours
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November 5, 2023 8:46am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Blackouts during the depths of winter, although, maybe there’s been enough restoration of FF generation to ward them off for now.
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  EV charging take priority over domestic supply.
  This has to come. NZ is doing sfa about new electricity generation.
  Solar and wind is just Green shit.
  “NUCLEAR!!!”
  
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  November 5, 2023 10:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There they all go again. Green nutters rolling around on the floor making stupid noises and having anxiety attacks!
    
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    November 5, 2023 11:51am
  - Ian Boag
    
    NZ is doing sfa about new electricity generation
    
    Yep. Blame the power companies …. once NZED/Electricorp were gone and the power companies were sold off it wasn’t the gummint’s problem ….
    
    Do you have an alternate idea?
    
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    November 5, 2023 5:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It is the Govt’s problem. And the power companies where not completely sold off. Govt 51%
      
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      November 6, 2023 9:00am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I think you’re getting a bit carried away there, CW.
  
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  November 5, 2023 3:27pm
Clownworld

Lick aka lock…5 secs missed editing that gem.
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November 5, 2023 8:53am
ClanMcleod

Cindy really is a world celebrity, she even made it onto Clown Planet on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeY2RVN5f5E

Worth watching to remind yourself what a narcissistic fraud that wrecking ball actually was.
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November 5, 2023 8:54am
- Nickc2
  
  No taste, no class, no dignity, just a speed bump on NZ’s political scene.
  Long may she remain wherever she is, so long as it’s not here in NZ eh?
  
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  November 5, 2023 8:58am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Is the wedding still on?
    
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    November 5, 2023 10:12am
    - cmm
      
      She’s such a giving person she even sacrificed her love life.
      For us!
      
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      November 5, 2023 11:41am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She suggested on the holiday with stars this year, but silence
      
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      November 5, 2023 1:15pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Who cares?
      
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      November 5, 2023 1:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I doubt she will show her face in NZ again.
    
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    November 5, 2023 10:53am
    - Nickc2
      
      Everything’s crossed Steve!
      
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      November 5, 2023 1:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There is another video after that which is strange. Nothing to do with the wrecking ball Ardern, but people in China spontaneously collapsing.
  Communist China Laws are the cause. Thank Christ we have stopped Labour, or who knows where they could have started leading us. Communism is evil.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjj_mkc6b6s
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:09am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Thanks for sharing clan!! That you tube clip is very good and soooo true 🌵
  
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  November 5, 2023 11:19am
oldpark

Action Replay .Any get the feeling or impression that Peters is up to his old tricks on strained communication and control of the Negotiations in making a New New Zealand Government any time soon .
Or will it be as in the past Terms and Conditions Satisfactory to him in all respects .Hope not for the sake of Five Million NZs who have been controlled and dominated by Political Control Freaks over the last 6 years NZs need a break and some security .
That mean you as well Winston .Get off the Grass .
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November 5, 2023 8:59am
- G152
  
  Start talks with the Maori Party.
  And watch Winnie get back in line
  
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  November 5, 2023 10:32am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not sure it’s required, Luxon seemed pretty pleased with himself when standing at the podium after the final results, I think he knows job virtually done, the only worry is bloody Seymour once again spouting sitting on the cross benches Grrrrrr
    
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    November 5, 2023 1:18pm
- Ghost
  
  No, don’t get that feeling at all. I expect no one will get any feelings because both national and NZ first are doing their talks behind closed doors, unlike act with Seymour going on again about sitting on the cross benches.
  
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  November 5, 2023 10:41am
  - rouppe
    
    “going on again…”
    
    I suspect he was asked whether it was possible, and the question was edited out, making it look like a threat.
    
    You should be more suspicious of msm
    
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    November 5, 2023 10:59am
    - Ghost
      
      No it wasn’t edited out, he was asked and he went on about it again.
      
      Interview
      
      I will say again, NZ first and National are not talking to the media, and talking behind closed doors to form this govt.
      
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      November 5, 2023 11:10am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Then why did he not say I am not getting into that game e-bike we negotiate? All he has done is gift media a hint of chaos
      
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      November 5, 2023 1:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This is the prick who wanted a settlement fast, the same prick that is dicking about.
  
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  November 5, 2023 10:56am
  - cmm
    
    Because a fast decision is likely to be a bad decision. Good for him though.
    By saying he is the one wanting a fast decision it puts pressure on Luxon to not be the one slowing things down. This puts pressure on Luxon to be more generous.
    
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    November 5, 2023 11:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Cunning as a shithouse rat.
      
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      November 5, 2023 11:57am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Oh ffs, of course it will be Luxons fault
      
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      November 5, 2023 1:21pm
Tomtoddy

The arrogance of the media knows no bounds over the coalition talks. “We demand to know who is talking to who”. We demand to know who rang who”. “What subjects have been raised?” “What are your bottom lines?”

And all through this is a sneering, doubting, ridiculing tone. They need a dose of Cullenism…..”we won, you lost. Take that.”
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November 5, 2023 9:02am
- rouppe
  
  No, they just need to do what Winston did and say (paraphrased) “I remember you. Fuck off.”
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301002352/watch-winston-peters-snubs-reporters-after-election-result-confirmed
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:07am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    It was very pleasing to see One News resorting to showing some snippet of an interview Winston did on The Platform because he wouldn’t talk to them, and also some comment from Katie that Winston would tell them nothing.
    
    Nice to see One News giving The Platform a free plug.
    
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    November 5, 2023 9:50am
- ds
  
  You haven’t won yet. We could have a repeat of 2017.
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Public Interest Journalism Fund was meant to finish June 2023.
  Looks like there are a few dregs still left. Journalists trying their hardest to keep their job and not get the DCM?
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:15am
- kowtow
  
  They never demanded of St Cindy , who was the phone caller who convinced her the apocalypse was upon us .
  They still don’t care .
  
  And where’s the media firestorm ( they visited it upon Peters’ tweet) about her mis/dis information that there were no specific locations , when that’s proven not to be the case.
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:21am
  - nathie
    
    We always joke about the rug on the 9th floor that Labour swept their controversies under.
    
    But clearly it looks like the MSM have their own rug where they try to sweep Labour’s mis/dis information under and it is much, much bigger!
    
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    November 5, 2023 10:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do it Trump style. “You are Fake News” and then just simply ignore them.
  Works for Trump.
  
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  November 5, 2023 10:58am
Tomtoddy

Damian Grant gets it right. https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/301001542/inside-the-national-caucus-mps-are-frustrated-and-want-a-radical-change
Luxon has his hands full. He is a manager of the status quo. Not a leader or a reformer.
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November 5, 2023 9:10am
- lifesgood
  
  And you know that because…?
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:21am
  - rouppe
    
    Because of what we have seen so far
    
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    November 5, 2023 11:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Since Luxon arrived I always said he is probably a good manager, but that does not make a good leader. There are many in National who would make a Leader.
  Think about who you would like to be your boss. Gerry Brownlee comes to mind. So does Dr Shane Reti, but he is going to be consumed by Health. Open up the whole Covid bees nest – expose the lies and maybe even prosecute. Those who forced vaccinations against our basic rights. Yep, she ran!!
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:30am
  - yobi
    
    Mark Mitchell will hopefully be our next Prime Minister.
    
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    November 5, 2023 9:46am
    - igm
      
      I would prefer Bayly, with Mitchell his deputy.
      
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      November 5, 2023 10:48am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That is utterly pointless, how the he’ll will that happen
      
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      November 5, 2023 1:25pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Since Luxon arrived I always said he is probably a good manager, but that does not make a good leader. There are many in National who would make a Leader.
  Think about who you would like to be your boss. Gerry Brownlee comes to mind. So does Dr Shane Reti, but he is going to be consumed by Health. Open up the whole Covid bees nest – expose the lies and maybe even prosecute those who forced vaccinations against our basic rights. Yep, she ran!!
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Strange here. A double post, and I did not do it.
    
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    November 5, 2023 12:00pm
- kowtow
  
  Interesting article.
  
  This election has brought quite some talent to the Treasury benches , unlike the dearth the outgoing muppets were composed of.
  
  One thing to add to his paragraph ;
  
  ‘I’m not a journalist. I don’t mix in the saloons and late nights at Bellamy’s to build networks, cultivate contracts and relationships to gain insights. My interactions with politicians are mostly restricted to the Koru Lounge and surreptitious cups of tea with those MPs willing to talk to me.’
  **Or “sleep” with has been politicians to get inside gossip.**
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:37am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Ethics, opportunity or taste?
    
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    November 5, 2023 3:31pm
- Ghost
  
  Grant gets what right? No one is talking, he is simply interviewing his keyboard. There is a huge vacuum in the political arena because Luxon is doing everything behind closed doors so we have article after article of journalists interviewing either their keyboard or their vodka bottle.
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:48am
Jack5

Controversial accountant-liquidator Damien Grant helps Stuff fill its void about coalition discussion.

Grant has been active in the Taxpayers’ Union and is very up front about his dealings with politicians:

I don’t mix in the saloons and late nights at Bellamy’s to build networks, cultivate contracts and relationships to gain insights. My interactions with politicians are mostly restricted to the Koru Lounge and surreptitious cups of tea with those MPs willing to talk to me.

I admire Grant for being up for being so straight about his sources – or lack of sources – and admire him, too, for getting his life back on track after blips that would leave many or most of us off the rails permanently:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300307678/controversial-liquidator-damien-grant-wins-battle-for-career

And today’s piece:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/301001542/inside-the-national-caucus-mps-are-frustrated-and-want-a-radical-change
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November 5, 2023 9:13am
oldpark

Checking out a couple of waste of space successful winning political Parties at recent Election in NZ.
They got circa 17% of the overall vote .
Seems one of the party winners got elected on
No Prisons and Democracy was not a goer and supporting Hamas Terrorists .
The other one got elected on attempting to destroy NZs exports by Crucifying the Farming Community as well as supporting Hamas Terrorists culpable of Murdering Hundreds and Pack Raping many many innocent Women .
Go figure that indictment and thinking that showed up by way of the ballot box at General Election in NZ on 14 10 2023.
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November 5, 2023 9:19am
Matt Long

Half of younger Americans believe the Hamas atrocities were justified.
https://youtu.be/OEF3XeJw8DU?si=4PVUdz8dbxiGuhry
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November 5, 2023 9:22am
- MCōs
  
  I don’t believe that for a minute, but that Huckabee is far too slippery to argue with
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:45am
  - sirknz
    
    You are underestimating the impact of the Chinese controlled Tik Tok app and the effect that the algorithm has on the minds of the people using it.
    
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    November 5, 2023 10:49am
KH

Great analysis from Damien Grant.
I am for making radical progress. — but but — I understand Luxon’s approach to actually get elected.
It has previously occurred to me the Nats will be able to make more progress as NZF/ACT demand, but have NZF/ACT to take the lefty outrage for doing so.
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November 5, 2023 9:25am
- rouppe
  
  Exactly. Just give some of the dirty jobs to them.
  
  Clear documented outcomes, mind, but let NZ First and Act get their hands dirty
  
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  November 5, 2023 11:04am
Drone

KBlog is very slow loading and getting to the comments. Yesterday I was plagued with database connection errors.
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November 5, 2023 9:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kari Lake says Biden will be replaced at the last moment before the 2024 Election.
I have read something about a sitting POTUS can not be prosecuted. So the crooked Joe Biden will not be indicted? Don’t know.
What I do know is there are a few who want to replace Joe. Mike Obama, so Barrack can keep running America into the ground and turn it Muslim.
Newsome. But then the big one. Hillary bloody Clinton, Queen of the Swamp. She still has the shits from 2016.
Kari Lake for Trump’s VPOTUS?

https://realloadednews.com/2023/11/04/lake-agrees-biden-will-be-replaced/?
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November 5, 2023 9:43am
- MCōs
  
  Who is this *Mike* Obama?
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:47am
  - geoff3012
    
    Michelle
    
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    November 5, 2023 11:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Wait, Michelle is a girl’s name.//
      
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      November 5, 2023 12:02pm
      - MCōs
        
        That’s right. I’d forgotten
        You think she’s a bloke
        
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        November 5, 2023 12:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Barrak’s wife. The one with a ‘package.’
    
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    November 5, 2023 11:07am
Ghost

U.S. and European officials have begun quietly talking to the Ukrainian government about what possible peace negotiations with Russia might entail to end the war, according to one current senior U.S. official and one former senior U.S. official familiar with the discussions.

The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal, the officials said. Some of the talks, which officials described as delicate, took place last month during a meeting of representatives from more than 50 nations supporting Ukraine, including NATO members, known as the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, the officials said.

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November 5, 2023 9:46am
- MCōs
  
  The problem is they could give something up this year and down the track Russia will attack them again
  
  Everyone knows that & if Trump is president he’ll tell them to help themselves
  Next minute bye bye Taiwan
  
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  November 5, 2023 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You have that very twisted MCos.
    When Trump is President he will stop that war in 24 hours.
    Not on the battlefield, but a meeting with Putin and Zelenski in a Country like say Britain.
    For some strange reason I believe him. It is all about respect.
    “You don’t have to like someone to respect them, and with that respect you gain respect in return.” DJT.
    He was referring to Putin and Kim Jong-un.
    
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    November 5, 2023 11:19am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

More threats from Maori Party.
The foreshore and seabed is owned by ALL New Zealanders, not just the special people.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/more-threats-this-time-from-maori-party-co-leader-debbie-ngarewa-packer/
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November 5, 2023 10:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Once the Coalition is settled this will be a test for Luxon.
  So conflict is inevitable. Luxon, are you listening?
  This will show if he has the stones, or if Amanda carries them in her purse.
  
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  November 5, 2023 10:19am
  - Nukuleka
    
    A really unnecessary and unpleasant comment on many levels.
    
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    November 5, 2023 10:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Someone has to tell him to HTFU and take some concrete pills.
      Unpleasant? I don’t care.
      Gave you an uptick for reading it and taking notice.
      
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      November 5, 2023 11:24am
      - Warren
        
        Steve you make the most out of the cards your dealt and learn from the mistakes the previous Goverment made .
        Christopher Luxon has to make it work he has everyone it seems against him so you can bet he won’t let Winston Peter’s take that away especially after finding out there is no money available to help him.
        Christopher Luxon has the financial skill to win something that Jacinda Ardern and previous Prime Minister Hipkins didn’t have but they need to get on with the job ahead instead of talking and listening to what the punter has to say people can be cruel when they don’t get what the want and Winston Peters knows that.
        
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        November 5, 2023 1:34pm
- bennerg
  
  Sadly the Maori Party represents the worst face of the Maori people.
  
  Having dealt with so many of them who are delightful, generous, and respectful, I find this political group promoting violence and thuggery, a blight on what should be a proud and productive part of our society.
  
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  November 5, 2023 10:32am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    Me too – I find the Māori party simply revolting
    
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    November 5, 2023 11:26am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “this political group promoting violence and thuggery”
    
    It includes some in Labour, Jackson for one on TVNZ this morning.
    
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    November 5, 2023 1:33pm
- Paulus
  
  I see it is finally agreed upon that part Maori do not represent 17% of the population but now 13.7%.
  I failed to understand that with some 200,000 immigrants (all non Maori) this year that they can be at the same % level.
  I still do not know where the new % comes from as the census of part Maori was incomplete, and those on the Electoral role, who did not vote, could contribute to any real figures but somebody’s imagination.
  
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  November 5, 2023 10:41am
Yvette

As the extent of the slaughter across southern Israel was still emerging, journalist Najma Sharif said it represented ‘decolonisation’ in action – the most spectacular attempt yet to ‘free’ the Palestinian people from the effects of ‘colonisation’. ‘What did y’all think decolonisation meant?’, Sharif tweeted. ‘Vibes? Papers? Essays? Losers.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/doug-stokes-the-dangers-of-decolonisation
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November 5, 2023 10:33am
gorse

Back to the nightmare of signing in on the blog. Numbers to add up, taking minutes to then get on. I thought this problem was fixed.
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November 5, 2023 10:39am
- Sofia
  
  Gorse, what other nightmares do you have?
  
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  November 5, 2023 11:15am
- cmm
  
  Yup a new racist test asking me to solve a maths puzzle.
  
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  November 5, 2023 11:46am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    That is to keep lefties off.
    
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    November 5, 2023 1:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From FB.
https://www.theonion.com/tesla-cybertruck-torn-to-pieces-by-hose-1850990479
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November 5, 2023 12:10pm
- Yvette
  
  Steve. in the last sentence of the item, I do rather like the kicker that –
  “At press time, sources confirmed that the remaining, dripping-wet pieces of the vehicle had burst into flames”
  
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  November 5, 2023 12:29pm
kevn

Binding WHO plan and who knew ?
NZ sleepwalking with it.
https://jrbruning.substack.com/p/there-are-places-stuff-nzh-and-rnz?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=15bbs6&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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November 5, 2023 12:14pm
Ghost

Good message for the Green Party to listen to

“Why a Ceasefire Would Be A Disaster!” – Son of Hamas Leader
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November 5, 2023 1:06pm
- Notsofast
  
  The Green Party are tribal ideologues, extremely immature. I have been thinking about this glorifying youth in politics, and conclude it is something of a New Zealand absurdity, looking at Chloe Swarbrick as a classic example.
  
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  November 5, 2023 1:19pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s been said so many times before .
  
  If the Arabs put down their arms there’d be peace .
  
  If the Israelis put theirs down they’d be massacred .
  
  ( It is almost literally as simplistic and as simple as that )
  
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  November 5, 2023 3:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Don’t hold back, John.

We want to make it very clear as Te Pāti Māori that we have the mandate of our people off the street. No one else has that mandate. No-one else can over-talk us or endeavour to deride us or endeavour to say that we do not have a mandate.

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2023/11/05/john-tamihere-says-election-results-give-te-pati-maori-the-mandate-of-maori/

The Maori Party got 88,297 votes….
That represents around 18% of the Voting public with Maori heritage (approx half a million people)

or just over a third of the folk on the Maori Roll.

It doesn’t seem that Te Pāti Māori speaks for the majority of Maori at all.
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November 5, 2023 1:35pm
- Nickc2
  
  Tamihere’s blowing smoke up his own arse! Racist prick!
  
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  November 5, 2023 2:01pm
- Swifty
  
  Has that gentleman paid back the half a million dollars he illegitimately converted from the charity he runs towards his and the Maori Party’s election war-chest?
  
  If not, why not?
  
  And will he face a prosecution for this conversion expressly forbidden in our charities legislation?
  
  If not, why not?
  
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  November 5, 2023 2:33pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  What did he say when he was asked that question by the hard-hitting Te Ao Maori News reporter?
  
  Let me guess.
  
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  November 5, 2023 3:35pm
Tauhei Notts

The Electoral Commission told us the final results would take so long because they had so much intricate detail to work through. Bull sh!t.
The Electoral Commission told us that the big booths delayed the election night count. Bull sh!t.
The booth by booth spread sheets were issued by the Electoral Commission, 34-42 Manners Street, Wellington 6140. The postal code for that address is 6011. Intricate detail? Yeah, right.
My electorate had 111 booths. At 10.20 p.m. on election night 78 of them had been counted. At 10.29 p.m. 80 of them had been counted. That is, in the nine minute time span results of two of the presumably big booths had been processed. Those two “big” booths had a total of 411 votes, between them. That is, with about 206 votes at each booth to be counted, they had not been able to do that within 3 hours 20 minutes. It took them 3 hours 29 minutes. That is what happens when you employ people who are more concerned with their knowledge of the principles of The Treaty, than they are with very basic arithmetical skills.
In the days before cell phones, text technology, emails, electric adding machines, electronic calculators and air conditioned motor cars with electric wind up windows, anti lock braking systems and crash mitigation systems that cost less than 25 times the weekly unemployment benefit, the results were available within an hour, not three and one half hours.
I am becoming concerned about our Electoral Commission.
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November 5, 2023 1:40pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Probably being paid on an hourly basis for counting rather than a votes counted basis so that they’re. incentivized to take longer. Being off by even 1% doesn’t matter in most cases. For those that are close could go through with second count.
  
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  November 5, 2023 1:46pm
  - peterwn
    
    Staff would already have spent 10 hours issuing papers etc. By 7pm they will be wanting to do the count and wrap up as quick as possible and get out of it. Anyway as far as I know the staff are paid for the day regardless of how long the counting takes.
    
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    November 5, 2023 3:06pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      Peterwn: paid by the hour. Fact.
      
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      November 5, 2023 10:58pm
- peterwn
  
  I wonder how election night counting is done. I scrutineer-ed at one of the larger booths some years ago. Voting papers were sorted by party and counted for each party (as per instructions). Papers were sorted by each candidate and counted for each candidate. There was a discrepency. So papers were re-sorted by party and counted again. There must have been four or so iterations of this.
  It would have been far better if papers were initially sorted into (say) Labour Party/Labour Candidate, National Party/National Candidate, etc A few more piles such as Green Party/Labour Candidate etc would be useful too. Someone could count each pile and if need be check each pile for stray papers. There would be (say) 10% of papers where sort/count would be needed. That would probably have saved a bit more time. The counting took two hours or so by staff who had already been working 10 hours Another thing that wasted time was some voters obtained papers then walked out with papers. If that discrepency is too great then further checking and counting is needed.
  
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  November 5, 2023 3:03pm
Ra Henare

The trend in news is noise!

What happened to good old reading.
So called new media is populated by talking heads.

a) I dont have the time to sit and listen for a maybe interesting bit of news/information.

b) I am hearing impaired AKA deaf old prick

c) I enjoy reading.

I am sure there is an app somewhere that will transcribe the burbling crap coming from some (Most?) talking heads.

Oh for the good old days when newspapers were actually worth reading.

PS. I have that old fashioned thing called eyes and a brain, where I can read/scan a full page of a newspaper in seconds to extract real news.
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November 5, 2023 2:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“Nobody will be forced to take the vaccine and those who opt out will not be punished”
Remember those words from someone who does not tell lies?
Seems America had the same problem.

https://rumble.com/voq41b-flashback-dems-say-they-wont-implement-vaccine-mandates.html?
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November 5, 2023 2:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If you want/need to save money during the holiday break, now is a good time to tell the kids that Santa did not make it through the Covid pandemic.
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November 5, 2023 2:55pm
- Ghost
  
  I liked this ad but apparently it offended too many precious darlings.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94GslcJcaWU
  
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  November 5, 2023 3:04pm
BeaB

I am already tired of the sniggering and negativity of the media towards National.
Never assume your enemy is stupid is a useful maxim. The media may be slow to catch on but Luxon, Seymour and Peters will have factored in the numbers and have their deals ready to go.
Lange called the media ‘reef fish’. Even more apt today.
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November 5, 2023 3:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Reef fish do not wallow in the mud of the swamp.
  Lange was wrong.
  
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  November 5, 2023 3:23pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Jo Bielke-Petersen, one time Premier of Queensland, described speaking to the assembled media as ‘feeding the chooks’.
  
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  November 5, 2023 3:39pm
thirteenstars

UK Telegraph:

Met Police adviser led ‘from the river to the sea’ chant.

Lawyer Attiq Malik, who chairs official advisory body for Scotland Yard, instigated ‘offensive’ slogan.

A hard-Left activist who was filmed leading chants of “from the river to the sea” at a pro-Palestinian rally is an adviser to the police on their response to protests over the Israel-Hamas conflict, The Telegraph can disclose…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/11/04/attiq-malik-met-police-adviser-from-river-to-the-sea-chant/

It’s paywalled but the info given is enough. Play the video.
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November 5, 2023 3:31pm
- Ghost
  
  An article not paywalled
  
  A Met Police adviser has been accused of singing ‘from the river to the sea’ after thousands of pro-Palestine protesters gathered in cities across the UK yesterday.
  
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  November 5, 2023 3:39pm
- emmess
  
  Germany will be free from the river (Danube) to the sea (North)
  Whoops, wrong country
  
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  November 5, 2023 4:00pm
kevn

Auckland Uni project…
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/sasha-borissenko-whats-at-stake-as-covid-experts-siouxsie-wiles-and-shaun-hendy-take-on-auckland-university-in-the-employment-court-this-week/FCAZD7BT35FXTIBILFRWEQM4JQ/
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November 5, 2023 3:41pm
- fernglas
  
  It’s not terribly clear from the article, but it seems that Wiles is having a go at the University for failing to take adequate steps to protect her from vitrilolic online postings during the Covid pandemic, when she was exercising her academic freedom to push her nose into every aspect of the Covid debate and become the self-anointed public face of the country’s Covid response. It seems the University responded by telling her to pull her head in and that any comments she made were in a private capacity. Her self-importance knows no bounds.
  
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  November 5, 2023 5:59pm
Sparrow

Heard Winston has taken a serve at the media. Put the idiots in their place.
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November 5, 2023 5:02pm
Ghost

Sad to see the fear porn being pushed

An academic predicts Pasifika communities are in for a rough ride over the next three years, while a researcher says the incoming government’s opposition has a lot of diverse Māori representation.

Article
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November 5, 2023 5:03pm
kevn

I gather police have had to install sump guards as well, due to the Skodas often mounting the curb and smashing the oil pans out. Skodas are quite a bit lower than the Commodores.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/133024055/nearly-half-of-police-frontline-patrol-cars-crash-but-its-not-as-bad-as-it-sounds
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November 5, 2023 5:12pm
Ghost

Hmmmm

Peters did not respond to questions about whether someone in another party was sharing what was happening in behind the scenes talks, and whether that was Seymour.

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November 5, 2023 5:59pm
- Gravelroad
  
  It is becoming clearer by the day that if Mr Luxon and his colleagues want to achieve anything by way of competent governance, everything is going to have to be passed by “Sir” first.
  Is that what the supporters who rushed to vote for Mr Peters wanted?
  Really?
  
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  November 5, 2023 7:06pm
  - Ghost
    
    Is it? Because the media are hinting that Seymour is leaking to them. Seymour is also talking about the cross benches still.
    
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    November 5, 2023 8:07pm
Fisiani2

So many trivial comments are being made by the media.
We will have a government made up of three parties. Yes. So what? Will there be agreements and disagreements? Yes of course.
Waka Kotahi has frozen any decisions on funding cycleways. Excellent. That’s many millions of dollars.
What will other departments aim to save?
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November 5, 2023 6:31pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/133229700/tiny-house-living-regrets-owners-share-their-top-10-mistakes
Surprise surprise !
Tiny home owners find that their tiny homes are…… too small !
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November 5, 2023 6:37pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Well, fuck me! They were “awesome” under Cindy, and now they’re a problem? I bet they are all owned by Labour/Green types looking for a taxpayer funded upgrade.
  
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  November 6, 2023 12:07am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Congratulations to Sunday! First story I’ve seen post election concerning people sleeping in cars. Step forward, Tyler in Queenstown.
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November 5, 2023 7:35pm
Ghost

It’s funny how the Aussie news covers some New Zealand stories that never get covered here

Author Christopher Newman explains the Treaty of Waitangi and how it’s played out in recent years in New Zealand. Mr Newman has written a book called, ‘Fraud, Plunder, Treason and our Treaty’.
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November 5, 2023 8:27pm
Pope Punctilious II

One News reports Sir Collin Tukuitonga bitching about the lack of Pasifika MPs in National, ACT and NZF:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/11/05/pasifika-community-in-for-a-rough-ride-under-new-govt-academic/
“we know in healthcare, for example, where you have ethnic-based services, you tend to have better outcomes.”
Is this grifter seriously suggesting we need a separate health system for Pasifika too?
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November 5, 2023 9:31pm
alan

A member of parliament in New Zealand calls practically for the annihilation of Israel. https://t.me/beholdisraelchannel/22113
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November 6, 2023 12:31am
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  What is that we hear from the MSM? Crickets…
  
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