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mikenmildagain

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Happy International Migrants Day!
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December 18, 2023 8:01am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Now Mikey, you’re just teasing.
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:03am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    He wants to be entertained by the reactions. Tiresome.
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:37am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      And yet you react. Most entertaining.
      
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      December 18, 2023 9:58am
      - Jack5
        
        Entertaining, Milky? 😴
        
        Counting minutes until your posts are ticked to oblivion?
        
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        December 18, 2023 10:38am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Just seeing which snowflakes are most easily triggered.
        
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        December 18, 2023 10:49am
      - cmm
        
        So you’re admitting to be a troll and violating KB rules.
        
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        December 18, 2023 11:19am
      - Simon
        
        “And yet you react“ someone as easily programmable as you shouldn’t go on about others reacting
        
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        December 18, 2023 12:43pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        @cmm Good point. Reported. I suggest others do as well.
        
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        December 18, 2023 4:46pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Listening to Ingrid Hipkiss on Morning Report, her tone in wishing our country’s PM Merry Christmas was bitter lemons.

The cue card had to be read, but she had all of the sincerity of a child being forced to apologise.

She disgraces herself, and shames RNZ.
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December 18, 2023 8:03am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
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  Bollocks bro – I am with Hipkiss on this because of this.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-under-fire-for-using-public-funds-to-learn-te-reo-maori/R5BBVQ2QWZC63OVK3NDAAIJ5HY/
  
  This man doesn’t deserve to be our PM. Double standards. Utter waste of space. Deserves no respect from anybody. Good on you Hipkiss.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:44am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Like Robertson getting told to go to the World Cup, snd spending 50 k on the way out the door in 2 weeks.
    
    I suppose all MPs have the ability to learn Te Reo at the tax payers expense
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:09am
    - Nickc2
      
      It wasn’t illegal at the time!
      
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      December 18, 2023 10:26am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Who said? The media?
        
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        December 18, 2023 10:41am
  - RightNow
    
    I think Luxon should pay it back, and once he’s done that everyone else who got taxpayers money for learning Te Reo should also have to pay it back.
    Same with the EV bribe.
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:10am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The EV subsidies came as part of the price, why should he have to have pissed about
      
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      December 18, 2023 10:42am
    - Drone
      
      Naive RightNow, orgnisations often fund individual training, particularly when new processes or systems are introduced. The Labour Party pushed Te Reo onto Public Service organisations and many if not all are encouraging staff to learn Te Reo, there is often a financial reward being offered for levels of fluency. As a backbench and public servant MP Chris Luxon merely availed himself of the opportunity offered and encouraged by the previous government. As far as I know, the new government has not removed the reward system for fluency in Te Reo as it has far more important things to ponder.
      
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      December 18, 2023 1:01pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      He could easily pay it back but doing so would be to play into the hands of the lefty media scumbags.
      
      I suggest he pay the equivalent amount to a charity for good measure then tell the loony media to eat sh*t.
      
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      December 18, 2023 4:16pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    “This man doesn’t deserve to be our PM” I think the New Zealand voters would disagree. Something that seems to be upsetting many on the left at the moment. Such is their love of democracy.
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:28am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Every time he speaks on ZB in the morning, (today without a Hosking) there are a huge amount of texts praising his coherency, his ability to answer all questions, and his decency when speaking on public issues
      
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      December 18, 2023 10:44am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Really? If you don’t see a difference in using public money to learn a language as opposed to taking money for being proficient in a language, then I can’t help you.
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:31am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      slightlyrightly – If Luxon wants to learn Te Reo, he should pay from his own funds and not from my tax dollars. Next what? Nice Nicola wants to learn tap dance and spend your tax dollars for getting lessons?
      
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      December 18, 2023 12:20pm
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        I think that Sir Cullen’s Sidekick is on the same side as me;
        learning the Maori language is as important as learning tap dancing.
        
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        December 18, 2023 1:32pm
      - Paulus
        
        It was paid from what is officially The Opposition Leader’s fund, as is available to any Opposition l
        Leader, such as Chippy who could learn to spell.
        
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        December 18, 2023 1:53pm
  - Jack5
    
    The State has been topping up what becomes media pay.
    
    Today some of those on this benefit sneer at State Maori-language lessons for the Prime Minister.
    
    Hipkiss was one? Hipkiss of Radio NZ’s morning “Red Dawn” blabber?
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:47am
  - nathie
    
    Hang on a minute … the MSM calls out Luxon for learning Te Reo Maori as the courses are being paid at the taxpayers expense and calls that hypocritical.
    
    But the issue National had with public servants learning Te Reo Maori was NOT that the courses were being paid for at the taxpayers expense … it was because public servants were then getting astonishing eye-watering $7,000 bonuses.
    
    Which is totally absurd if the public servant’s role does not need Te Reo Maori language skills.
    
    MSM Fail again!
    
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    December 18, 2023 2:28pm
    - Ghost
      
      No the msm haent failed. They have got exactly what they hoped for, outrage. It doesn’t matter if the media are factual, they are after the outrage to try and bring the govt down. This will be the norm now.
      
      Stuff run a live political thread daily now with all their attempts in it. This is a coup by the fourth estate with members of the fifth estate playing a key role
      
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      December 18, 2023 2:34pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  In doing so she disgraces the tax payer
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:07am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Who the hell is ‘she’, G?
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:41am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She is a rotten scorched leftie with venomous hatred in her veins. That what you wanted to hear?
      
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      December 18, 2023 10:45am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Giant – Luxon is the one who is disgracing the tax payer here. He has lost the moral right to be PM.
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:47pm
imalwaysright

The Israeli government isn’t the Jewish church so why is questioning them considered by some to be antisemitic ?

If I question the British government I’m not called anti church of England .

If I question the Russian government I’m not called anti Russian orthodox.
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December 18, 2023 8:04am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Because it often is?
  It’s not hard.
  There are legitimate criticisms, absolutely.
  There are also hate filled bigots who hate the Jews and attack the Israeli government because of that.
  Two things can be true at the same time.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:38am
  - imalwaysright
    
    “Two things can be true at the same time.”
    
    Lib, three things can be true at the same time.
    
    There are also hate filled bigots who hate Palestinians.
    
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    December 18, 2023 1:47pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Of course but that has no relevance to whether questioning Israel is antisemetic or not.
      Using your tangent I should probably also point out that water is generally, wet.
      
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      December 18, 2023 3:15pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        That doesn’t make any sense.
        
        If you are into tangents then could you explain why you consider the questioning of the Israeli government is the purview of those who hate Jewish people?
        
        Hate isn’t a prerequisite of criticism .
        Questioning, criticism , and skepticism are, however, helpful for understanding. It seems that the Israeli government and many jewish sympathisers are, as you seem to be, averse to this.
        That in itself indicates a weak foundation .
        
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        December 18, 2023 5:09pm
- David George
  
  It’s not obvious that criticism of any kind indicates an implicit bias but there certainly are clues.
  Is similar criticism applied elsewhere to similar actions?
  Are others held to a similar standard?
  Does the critique feature insulting pejoratives or tropes?
  Looks like a lot of what we see is Jew hatred, often disguised but jew hatred nevertheless.
  
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  December 18, 2023 11:11am
  - imalwaysright
    
    “Looks like a lot of what we see is Jew hatred, often disguised but jew hatred nevertheless”
    
    If it is disguised then how would you see it. You can’t just assume someone hates someone because they criticise them, that is just a convenient way to fill in the cracks in a preconceived narrative that is short on facts.
    
    That reminds me of statements such as “unconscious racism” and “asymptomatic covid sufferer.”
    
    Is absence of evidence is now proof of guilt ?
    
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    December 18, 2023 11:48am
    - David George
      
      “You can’t just assume”
      Of course not, that’s why you have to look for clues – I suggested some above.
      Being accused of being a racist, bigot etc. carries a high social cost so the tendency is to hide it, with signals of compassion for example.
      
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      December 18, 2023 1:21pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Questioning or criticising the actions of the Israeli government and their military policies is not ‘Jew hatred’.
    
    Argue all you want that whatever they do is justified, but calling anyone who dares disagree with those policies an ‘antisemite’ or a hater of Jews is weaker than the nonsensical ‘anti vaxxer’ used against anyone opposing covid policies.
    
    Not being comfortable with many thousands of civilians being killed in what is clearly as much about revenge as it is about hunting down Hamas terrorists, is NOT anti semetism.
    
    It isn’t “hostility to, prejudice towards, or discrimination against Jews” which is apparently the definition of the term.
    
    Nor does it indicate support for Hamas and their brutal actions.
    
    Yes, there are some morons out there who genuinely are anti semitic, mostly idiot ‘rent a mob’ lefties who adopt the latest ‘thing’ like Boy Scouts used to collect badges.
    
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    December 18, 2023 12:19pm
- cmm
  
  Criticism of a Jew or Israel is not antisemitism per se.
  
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  December 18, 2023 11:23am
  - rouppe
    
    Just as criticism of a Maori isn’t racism, or criticism of a woman misogyny.
    
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    December 18, 2023 11:34am
- NoFax
  
  That’s a strawman at best. No one says questioning Israeli government policy is anti-Semitic. Israelis themselves argue over government policy all the time through their democratic process and anyone can have opinion on any decision. However, what you will notice is how any discussion on Israel quickly turns to questions of it’s right to exist. This isn’t the case with criticisms of England or Russia. If that’s not anti-Semitic remember there are dozens of countries that refuse to recognise the State of Israel, I know of no other similar country in the same situation. And non-recognition of the State usually goes with non-recognition of Jews to live there or even live at all- e.g. Hamas.
  
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  December 18, 2023 11:34am
krazykiwi

We were lied to, manipulated, gaslit, bullied and had our civil liberties annexed.

Many of the worst offenders are still in power and eager to not be held to account.

There are so many of them, making gathering the receipts no small task. This chap, Orf, has done an excellent mashup of these lies. 1000s of hours of footage distilled down to just a few minutes.
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December 18, 2023 8:05am
- mawm
  
  And as a result of those lies and manipulation “unspecified death” has become a major cause of death – 300% increase in Canada.
  “Prior to the pandemic, death in Western countries was well understood ….with 40% due to known cardiovascular, 40% due to terminal neoplastic disease (cancer) and 20% due to other known causes such as homicide, suicide, drug overdoses and accidents……Since the roll-out of the COVID-19 vaccines, we have witnessed unprecedented deaths without antecedent disease.” – Dr Peter McCullough
  https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/canada-300-percent-increase-unspecified-cause-death/
  
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  December 18, 2023 11:15am
- ISeeRed
  
  Thank you for the video. My blood returned to boiling point. We must NEVER forget. Until justice is done.
  
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  December 18, 2023 4:54pm
krazykiwi

Here’s Klaus Schwab explaining that elections are all about choosing, but soon AI will be so good we won’t need elections… our leaders will be chosen for us.
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December 18, 2023 8:12am
- Biscuit
  
  Saw a good cartoon the other day, kk…
  
  Festively-garbed, carol-singing robot ringing a bell:
  
  ‘Ding, dong, merrily, AI…’
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:30am
- Rusty
  
  @krazykiwi
  
  Schwab/WEF like the UN only exists because the West gives them billions of dollars every year to spout their Marxist/ Utopian garbage.
  
  Like or dislike Winston Peters for other reasons but at least he is informing the public on the wicked intentions of the WEF.
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:50am
- ClanMcleod
  
  He’s batshit crazy that fella. He looks and sounds like an AI generated cartoon villain. Next level nuts.
  
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  December 18, 2023 12:21pm
- Paul
  
  AI will necessarily be Psychopathic, does anybody have a problem with that?
  
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  December 18, 2023 6:26pm
Im Right

I’m having good times reading the leftie blogs (and of course the posts the readers leave)…..ohhh my they are losing their shit, why?
Because this govt had a 100day implementation framework and campaigned on it…won…and now doing as they said they would!
AND THE LEFT DON’T LIKE IT!
Mmmmm delicious to read their collective meltdown, and of course the odd comment by me to keep them honest! Lol
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December 18, 2023 8:18am
- newview
  
  Yes IR. You are right ( : I frequently commented on TDB without abusing but much of the time not published. Keep MB honest if you can. I couldn’t.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:51am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Lately MB isn’t publishing many of my comments either. The occasional one slips through.
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Ghez, it would be hard keeping them honest, mind you you are right excuse the pun😃
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:48am
peterwn

It has been said that the best way of running a nation is to appoint a competent dictator then take him out and shoot him after 10 years (insisting that he or she goes into permanent exile would be a better choice.
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December 18, 2023 8:18am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Somebody who has absolutely no stake in the country’s long term future?
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:36am
- MCōs
  
  Who said that?
  Nobody I’ve heard of
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:52am
  - mikenmildagain
    
    It’s similar to a chapter from Parkinson’s Law.
    The short list, or principles of selection. It’s all about the role description:
    
    Wanted–Prime Minister of Ruritania. Hours of work: 4 A.M. to 11.59 P.M. Candidates must be prepared to fight three rounds with the current heavyweight champion (regulation gloves to be worn). Candidates will die for their country, by painless means, on reaching the age of retirement (65). They will have to pass an examination in parliamentary procedure and will be liquidated should they fail to obtain 95% marks. They will also be liquidated if they fail to gain 75% votes in a popularity poll held under the Gallup Rules. They will finally be invited to try their eloquence on a Baptist Congress, the object being to induce those present to rock and roll. Those who fail will be liquidated. All candidates should present themselves at the Sporting Club (side entrance) at 11.15 A.M. on the morning of September 19. Gloves will be provided, but they should bring their own rubber-soled shoes, singlet, and shorts.
    
    https://www.geocities.ws/films4/parkinsonselection.htm
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:03am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Peterwn The problem is most dictators have a fairly strong aversion to leaving office. Von Papen “ can control this man”.
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:34am
- NothingLeft
  
  Lee Kuan Yew (Singapore) being about the only example of a benevolent/ethical dictator in history that I am aware of.
  
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  December 18, 2023 12:15pm
  - Paul
    
    With an amazing result, Singapore created from nothing to a modern day powerhouse, without sentencing discounts//.
    
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    December 18, 2023 6:28pm
- Michael Johnston
  
  Kind-of like a democracy, really, except that in a democracy we use elections instead of bullets. Either way, the tricky part is picking someone competent.
  
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  December 18, 2023 2:04pm
Maggie Pie

Heading back from Tindalls last nite and do you know what my partner said…

“There will be no Christmas presents this year.
And you will be happy”

(Wot an A-hole)
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December 18, 2023 8:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Easy-peasy..
  
  Provide lettuce and luncheon sausage for his Christmas lunch
  and toast and marmite for his Christmas dinner.
  
  Tell him you’re happy with the simple life.
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:56am
  - pdm
    
    Nasty Maggy, Nasty!!
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:29am
  - Ghost
    
    Sounds like a decent meal, thought you were trying to punish him?
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:32am
    - mikenmildagain
      
      That reminds me. Sorry, I can’t make it for Xmas dinner at your place.
      
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      December 18, 2023 10:05am
      - Ghost
        
        Well the good news is mikes family have just solved that age old question, how to have Christmas without the annoying relative turning up
        
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        December 18, 2023 10:58am
    - peterwn
      
      Even prisoners have better Christmas meals than that.
      
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      December 18, 2023 11:32am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I’m still hanging out for this though Maggz.
    May need to put a bit more pressure on do you think? 😛
    
    https://europeanantiques.co.nz/product/baroque-madonna/
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:07am
    - Ghost
      
      Here we Go. I’m sure your partner can make it look old and you won’t know the difference……
      
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      December 18, 2023 10:32am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Fabulous…
      
      Buy it for him, instead.
      
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      December 18, 2023 11:13am
  - Opie
    
    I would be just as happy with that given the right company
    
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    December 18, 2023 11:28am
- Paulus
  
  Have a note to all those Adults to whom we give Christmas presents
  “Congratulation for your generosity in that we have donated your present to the Foodbank this year “
  
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  December 18, 2023 1:58pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  He clearly doesn’t understand the rules of having a tennis wife! 😝
  
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  December 18, 2023 4:23pm
- Paul
  
  Which Branch, Royal Oak?
  
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  December 18, 2023 6:29pm
Im Right

PS
Martyn over at The Daily Blog, had penned dozens of posts lamenting the fact Labour had no ‘100 day’ process/pledge in place in 2017 or 2020, but hates the fact this govt not only did, but is doing what it says on the tin.
Hypocritical, yes!
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December 18, 2023 8:21am
- pdm
  
  You are a braver man than I if you read everything he posts IR.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:34am
- Tom Hunter
  
  You should check out Pat O’Dea’s columns and commentary on the Israel-Hamas war to see even greater hysteria.
  
  Of the three Israelis that were shot on sight while trying to surrender to the IDF, two were killed outright, one was wounded and made it into a building where he was hunted down and murdered while he begged for his life in Hebrew…
  
  “Patrick O’Dea is a staunch Unionist and human rights activist”
  
  Pat O’Dea has been a hardline communist all his life thanks to Daddy, and is so programmed with that creed’s agitprop language and approach that he can’t think or write about his opponents any other way. He should have stuck with being an electrician.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:43am
  - MCōs
    
    I’m not quite sure why you’re exhorting us to read this chap’s stuff. I’m guessing there are plenty of hardline Unionist & Republican writers in his neck of the woods.
    Did he write that piece about the killing of the hostages?
    I’ve read something similar elsewhere. Probably originating from the IDF themselves.
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:04am
    - Ehlana
      
      Why would the IDF write that they had “hunted down and murdered [a hostage] while he begged for his life in Hebrew”?
      
      It hardly reflects well on them.
      
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      December 18, 2023 12:30pm
      - MCōs
        
        “The hostages emerged “tens of meters from one of our forces positions,” the IDF official said. The hostages were not wearing shirts and were waving a white flag on a stick, but two were killed immediately, the official said. The third ran away “crying for help in Hebrew.” Though the battalion commander issued a ceasefire order, there was “another burst of fire at” the third hostage, which killed him, the IDF official said.”
        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-hostages-in-gaza-killed-by-friendly-fire-israeli-military-says/
        
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        December 18, 2023 1:27pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Sounds like poor old Bradbury is ever so slowly waking up to the fact that he’s on the wrong side!
  
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  December 18, 2023 4:26pm
Vinicius

Garrick Tremain’s latest cartoon entitled “University of Woke”.

As usual Tremain is right on the money.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/missing-tremain
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December 18, 2023 8:21am
Chuck Bird

I just heard on the news this morning that 80% of the public believe in climate change. I wonder how many support the view that there is a climate emergency and EVs are the answer but not nuclear power generation.
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December 18, 2023 8:23am
- igm
  
  Unadulterated bullshit . . . must have been taking the poll in Wellington.
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:27am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    I think you’ll find most New Zealanders believe in anthropogenic climate change, no matter where you take the poll.
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:56am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Most normies accept that it’s “the science” but increasingly are wondering if it’s a crock. As the climate loons push up the cost of everything into the stratosphere with their unworkable energy plans, that wondering is going to become a violent revolt.
      
      Those who’ve taken the time to investigate the contradictions and shenanigans know its a crock (as in not an emergency worth wasting trillions on and not worth destroying economies for).
      
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      December 18, 2023 4:32pm
- Rusty
  
  @Chuck
  
  80% of the public are prepared to believe in climate change at the moment so long as it doesn’t hurt them in their back pockets then we will see how many believe.
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:33am
  - Surely Knott
    
    As long as it doesn’t hurt them in the back pocket, stop their annual holiday flights, or require them to give up meat or their coastal properties, then they’re happy to continue to be on the right side of the virtue signal. Heck it’s easier than taking an experimental gene therapy shot to appear virtuous. Lol my green voting inner city friends had a cycle lane put on their street that removed their on street car parks, boy were they mad. 😂
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:51am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Why should the Ratepayer pay for their on street parking?
      Let the cyclists pay for the use. Oh wait…..
      
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      December 18, 2023 1:08pm
- nathie
  
  Usual caveats apply, who commissioned the survey what was their methodology (and was it opt in/online etc), how were the questions structured (eg “if warming temperatures will see floods and disasters occur more regularly, should we do something about reducing the effects of climate change or not” … that’s bound to get nearly everyone agreeing)!
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:33am
- coge
  
  A lot depends on how ‘climate change’ is defined.
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:38am
  - kowtow
    
    Exactly.
    
    We’ve been coming out of a mini cold phase since the late 1890’s .
    
    I wonder how many of the middle class bright young things who’re driven to school by Mum but protest “fossil fuels” are even aware of that very basic climate fact.
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:51am
    - All_on_Red
      
      They should read about the Holocene Climatic Optimum
      ‘The Holocene Climate Optimum (HCO) was a warm period in the first half of the Holocene epoch, that occurred in the interval roughly 9,500 to 5,500 years BP,[1] with a thermal maximum around 8000 years BP.’
      ‘Temperatures during the HCO were higher than in the present by around 6 °C in Svalbard, near the North Pole.[10]
      
      Of 140 sites across the western Arctic, there is clear evidence for conditions that were warmer than now at 120 sites. At 16 sites for which quantitative estimates have been obtained, local temperatures were on average 1.6±0.8 °C higher during the optimum than now. Northwestern North America reached peak warmth first, from 11,000 to 9,000 years ago, but the Laurentide Ice Sheet still chilled eastern Canada. Northeastern North America experienced peak warming 4,000 years later. Along the Arctic Coastal Plain in Alaska, there are indications of summer temperatures 2–3 °C warmer than now.[11] Research indicates that the Arctic had less sea ice than now.[12] The Greenland Ice Sheet thinned, particularly at its margins.’
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum
      
      Surprised they didnt get a 100% result for the question
      
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      December 18, 2023 12:15pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Heres a bonus Video on the Greenland Ice Core Project
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmmmgiPha_Y&list=PLExysz5eLZvAy4T5eS0JDUDW4VkJGYpke&index=8
        
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        December 18, 2023 12:38pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        This is why I occasionally mention Exit Glacier in Seward, Alaska. It has receded over 12 miles – started way before the Industrial Revolution
        Climate change is weather cycles, in this case from the mini ice age.
        Climate change is weather.
        
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        December 18, 2023 1:12pm
- pdm
  
  Chuck as one of the 20% I accept that the climate is always changing and that Nature is in full control so there is nothing we can or need to do.
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:53am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    No, PDM.
    You and me are part of the 80%. We believe that the climate is always changing and that nature is in full control and that is that. Apparently 20% of people do not accept the basic fact that the climate is changing and has been doing so for several millenia.
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:29am
    - pdm
      
      Did not think of it that way at the time TN – but I agree with you.
      
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      December 18, 2023 9:36am
- MCōs
  
  I’m sure nuclear power is the answer, but there would be a few hurdles to jump not the least of which would be ‘not in my backyard’ or anywhere where there’s a hint of a fault line.
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:59am
  - imalwaysright
    
    We are already nuclear powered
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:10am
  - What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
    
    A base-isolated nuclear plant would be an interesting project. Engineers can overcome a lot of issues, given sufficient budget… 😁
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:11am
    - RoboRob
      
      True but it’s not even needed. Most 3rd gen plants are pretty much earthquake proof and all 4th gen ones are.
      
      Earthquake proof meaning that they automatically, safely shut down with little (or no) human assistance in the event of a malfunction. I guess if the actual ground opened directly underneath one they might fail, but you would never build one in such a location.
      
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      December 18, 2023 9:35am
      - MCōs
        
        Maybe they are perfectly safe from earthquakes and innumerable aftershocks, but try finding an engineer who will absolutely guarantee 100% there’s no risk.
        
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        December 18, 2023 10:22am
      - What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
        
        MCōs is obviously not in engineering.
        
        Engineers do not deal in “100% Certainty”…
        You’ll get a PS1 based on a design level event (among other things) because no one can see the future… 🙄
        
        ……Structural Engineering is the Art of molding materials we do not wholly understand into shapes we cannot precisely analyze, so as to withstand forces we cannot really assess, in such a way that the community at large has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance….
        
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        December 18, 2023 10:59am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    .. and of course not on land considered taonga (which due to having a somewhat subjective definition could be just about anywhere in Aotearoa)
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:12am
    - Colville
      
      7kiwi11
      
      I would think Tainui would be top of the list when it comes to wannabe owners of said reactor(s).
      
      No Taniwha problems then.
      
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      December 18, 2023 9:45am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      U-235 is taonga anyway, wherever there is a ticket that can be clipped it will be.
      
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      December 18, 2023 4:25pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Agreed.
    
    Buy Rolls Royce, LSE:RR
    
    (disclosure: kk is long RR)
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:24am
    - RoboRob
      
      Hey KK was it you who recommened URNM shares a while back?
      
      FYI whoever it was, great idea. I have bought some.
      
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      December 18, 2023 9:37am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Not me. I had some REMX back in its heyday.
        
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        December 18, 2023 10:07am
    - Master Mariner
      
      I would be looking at the Major Shipping companies for short term profit.
      On a side note RR (Marine Division) has been losing lots of money, Mainly due to the fact of losing “Just in time Supply Chains”.
      
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      December 18, 2023 10:14am
  - Flossie
    
    I agree we ought to be looking into nuclear as our energy future. However I’d like to see more dams – not so much for power but lack of fresh water could possibly be a real issue coming up. Of course the Greens and co will be dead set against this as there could be a two toed spotted frog put in danger of extinction. Or something.
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:48am
    - Ian Boag
      
      I’d like to see more dams
      
      Wouldn’t we all? If only there were places where the geology would let us build them …..
      
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      December 18, 2023 10:00am
      - Ehlana
        
        Is that geology spelt Greens or have we actually run out of geologically suitable places?
        
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        December 18, 2023 12:32pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Well if you can find another undammed Waikato or Clutha that would be a start. There has been some consideration at times of more power from a run-of-the-river scheme on the Waitaki. All the other possibilities (AFAIK) are rats and mice stuff.
        
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        December 18, 2023 1:45pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Modern Greens don’t care one jot for flora and fauna. They care about dismantling capitalism, and capitalism (aka human progress) is underpinned by energy they go after anything that promotes more low cost energy.
      
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      December 18, 2023 2:26pm
  - G152
    
    Dozens of decommissioned nuke subs with reactors intact. Buy a couple and install them
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:44am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Check out how many nuclear plants there are on the Saint Andreaues fault line
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:53am
    - All_on_Red
      
      They are all being removed
      You’ve been shown this before and yet here you are repeating yourself
      
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      December 18, 2023 11:41am
  - rouppe
    
    Yet loads of people are happy to operate a machine powered by nuclear energy that bashes over the seas, or is subjected to immense compression forces.
    
    I can’t recall, has there been a nuclear accident in a nuclear powered warship or submarine that wasn’t caused by failure of the ship?
    
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    December 18, 2023 11:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nuclear power is the answer. Sensible comment, except the NIMBY bit.
    This is 2023, not 986 Chernobyl.
    
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    December 18, 2023 1:15pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      1986***
      
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      December 18, 2023 2:41pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “believe in climate change”
  
  The 80% figure will reflect the way the question was proposed.
  
  Ask people if they’d quit their cars, air travel, and be prepared to not move more than 15minutes from their homes in order support the possibility of ‘global’ temperatures not increasing 1.5% by 2100 and the result would be very, very different.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:07am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Indeed – asking folk if they “believe” elevates climate change to a religion.
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:11am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Exactly Kraz,
    It’s called putting your money where your mouth is .
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:12am
  - MCōs
    
    Doesn’t matter what people think
    The tide will still come in
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Two sensible comments! you are on a roll!
      
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      December 18, 2023 1:17pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is a stupid question.
  
  I would rather that people were informed about the likely economic and fiscal costs of meeting the 2030 commitments and what that will mean for the country.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:08am
  - Master Mariner
    
    The reason why you do not see any government define a clear pathway forward towards 2030 is because of the shear impossibility of trying to do so.
    Both economically and the practical implications of trying to do so,
    Except , All the small Island countries which are now reliant on funding. Think Tuvulu, Karibas , etc etc.
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:11am
- I remember when
  
  How much of their belief is the result of intensive research and how much is the endless assault from the media?
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:09am
- Kiwiguy
  
  Bit of a silly question IMHO.
  Believing in climate change is fine – the climate has always been changing, since forever.
  It’s the other BS that needs to be called out – the CO2 scam etc, just to name one.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Especially the CO2 that you can see.
    
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    December 18, 2023 1:20pm
- Max Mansplain
  
  Surely it’s 97%…..
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:18am
- Mummy
  
  Yes but maybe many of them are like me who believe the climate is changing because it is. It always has, and it always will. But whether it is caused by humans is a completely different thing. Do these polls ask the right questions or just the questions to get the answers they are looking for.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:50am
  - Ian Boag
    
    climate is changing because it is. It always has, and it always will
    
    Some of the historic changes have been quite violent eg the desertification of the Sahara which was once all green – centuries-long megadroughts in the Middle East, SE Asia, theUS west – ice ages and the reversal thereof. Some of these happened so fast that there was no way to acclimatise.
    
    You just need to be confident that the 200bn tonnes of “extra” CO2 that we have put into the atmosphere in the last 150 years is not going to prod the climate into one of its angry changes.
    
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    December 18, 2023 1:53pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Human activity derived contribution to total atmospheric Co2 is about 3%. Total Co2 (@3% human and @97% natural) in the atmosphere is about 0.04% of the total atmosphere.
      
      Co2 absorption bands on the electromagnetic spectrum are saturated so they can’t do much more “warming” work. When alarmist propagandists prattle on about “it’s just basic physics dummy!” they ignore this aspect of “basic physics”! Alarmists then grasp at straws by trying to theorise that feedbacks from our relatively tiny contribution will have a magic multiplying factor and cause Armageddon. Given all the other climate drivers this doesn’t make sense. Why would only a tiny increase in overall Co2 courtesy of human activity, magically multiply warming effects when other climate drivers magically don’t??? Doesn’t make sense.
      
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      December 18, 2023 4:46pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  https://www.facebook.com/reel/988219622396101
  
  This shows that a US politician who is a climate change alarmist does not know the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere.
  
  I wonder how many of our alarmists MPs would know that as well as the percentage for methane.
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The alarmists would not know that. I didn’t know, but thought it was less than 2%.
    It is 0.04%
    One alarmist did not know what GDP is, fuck!
    ” that was something I would not necessarily be aware of.” … or something.
    
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    December 18, 2023 1:29pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Climate, Is seen as + 30 years in forecasting.
  Look at it through these lens only and it will seem a lot clearer.
  Its unfortunate Media can not differentiate between Meteorology and climate change.
  Herein lays the problem.
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:17am
  - Taieri
    
    Its unfortunate Media can not differentiate between Meteorology and climate change.
    ———————–
    
    Ferris told Morning Report with a week to go until Christmas, it was still a bit tricky to be certain of what the weather will look like.
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-national/rain-could-be-store-christmas-day-metservice-says
    
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    December 18, 2023 12:17pm
- rockape
  
  90% of our elected MPs certainly do, at least in public.
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:22am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Loads of kids believe in the Easter bunny. Doesn’t mean it’s real.
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:30am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Then there are Christians, Jews, Muslims and Hindus. Oh and communists.
    
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    December 18, 2023 4:53pm
- The Redbaiter
  
  Chuck Bird- “I just heard on the news this morning that 80% of the public believe in climate change”
  
  This should not really surprise anyone with a three digit IQ. About 80% of NZers still get their “news” from the legacy (fake) media.
  
  They sit there every night at six like gape jawed hillbillies and are completely unaware they are being manipulated by global forces that perceive them as not much more than farm animals.
  
  If people turned away from such naked propaganda outlets as TV One, Radio NZ and TV3 this figure would probably drop to almost zero.
  
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  December 18, 2023 5:08pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    If only they had your level of smartness. Deep knowledge and all that …. 🙂
    
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    December 18, 2023 7:14pm
General

80% of the public are exceedingly ignorant
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December 18, 2023 8:32am
- MCōs
  
  Depending on your beliefs everyone is ignorant of something
  
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  December 18, 2023 11:42am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    We are all defective. Some, a hell of a lot more than others!
    
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    December 18, 2023 4:53pm
Vinicius

Some Aussie CNN journalist who comes across as another woke-progressive left leaning scribe doesn’t like the new Luxon led government.

“New Zealand’s new right-leaning government took more than a month to take shape, but Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and his coalition partners are now racing to strip back policies that had earned former leader Jacinda Ardern plaudits worldwide amongst progressives.”

What a laugh. More tripe from the MSM. Does anyone take CNN seriously anymore?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/16/world/new-zealand-nationals-luxon-maori-intl-hnk/index.html
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December 18, 2023 8:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The ladies from the 5 hahahahahahaga
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:55am
- MCōs
  
  There’s plenty of Australian journalists who were extremely critical of the previous government too.
  Generally they worked for Murdoch owned newspapers and I’m guessing here, but I’d say they write disparagingly about their local Labor administrations too.
  
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  December 18, 2023 1:39pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Plenty of BS in that article
  
  Many New Zealanders feel the same, with tens of thousands of people turning out across the country for anti-government demonstrations
  
  Tens of thousands, really? If there were 10,000 in total across the entire country I’d be surprised.
  
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  December 18, 2023 4:46pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  If you are earning “plaudits worldwide among progressives” you are probably creating a huge mess.
  
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  December 18, 2023 4:55pm
Maggie Pie

Couldn’t have said it better myself….

Aunty Heihei rips William Gaze a new one 😀

https://twitter.com/AuntyHeihei/status/1736007345740853455

LOL!!
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December 18, 2023 8:39am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Old William G needs to gaze long and hard at her post and wonder how his sycophancy is working for him.
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:48am
- What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
  
  Dayyyyym! 😲
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:13am
- Jethrod
  
  What a breath of fresh air!
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:23am
- MCōs
  
  I’m sure you could have said it better
  I couldn’t imagine a refined lady such as yourself would resort to such trashy language
  Then again maybe Corina Shields doesn’t talk like that in real life.
  
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  December 18, 2023 1:51pm
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I just heard that we paid for Luxon’s Te Reo. I wonder if they were one to one individual lessons. He has also claimed money off his wife’s Tesla purchase.

I wonder how much he has donated to the National Party. It will not be that high or it wound have been made public.
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December 18, 2023 8:40am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “He has also claimed money off his wife’s Tesla purchase.”
  
  So what? If the Government introduces mad policies, take full advantage. Do you expect wealthy retired folk to send back their “winter energy payment”?
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:44am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I could be a bit tough on the Telsa claim but not on Te Reo one to one lessons.
    
    “Luxon insisted his learning te reo was not being done for political reasons or that it was about looking good in the eyes of Māori voters.”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/300594969/luxon-says-he-wont-be-the-best-at-te-reo-but-he-is-giving-it-a-serious-try
    
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    December 18, 2023 8:56am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      There are bigger things to worry about. How much did these lessons cost?
      
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      December 18, 2023 9:06am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        “How much did these lessons cost?”
        
        I would like to know.
        
        We hear on the radio that National rightly complained that people in government jobs got extra money for being able to speak Te Reo.
        
        If Luxon claimed he did not take the lessons for political reasons he should have paid for his own lessons.
        
        I am certainly happy for a change of government but do not think that Luxon is beyond criticism.
        
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        December 18, 2023 9:18am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “If Luxon claimed he did not take the lessons for political reasons he should have paid for his own lessons.”
        
        I am reluctant to continue this, but can you provide a link to this claim that he got free lessons?
        
        It’s OK – I found it.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-under-fire-for-using-public-funds-to-learn-te-reo-maori/R5BBVQ2QWZC63OVK3NDAAIJ5HY/
        
        “”As leader of the Opposition and a potential prime minister at the time, developing better skills in te reo was highly relevant to his role,” the spokesman said.”
        
        I agree.
        
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        December 18, 2023 9:24am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        His statement in the Herald below is much different than that in Stuff.
        
        Prime Minister Christopher Luxon under fire for using public funds to learn te reo Māori
        
        “As leader of the Opposition and a potential prime minister at the time, developing better skills in te reo was highly relevant to his role,”
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-under-fire-for-using-public-funds-to-learn-te-reo-maori/R5BBVQ2QWZC63OVK3NDAAIJ5HY/
        
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        December 18, 2023 9:28am
      - lifesgood
        
        Apparently he paid for the lessons from his Leader of Opposition allowance. He can use that money as discretionary spending. I have no problem with it.
        
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        December 18, 2023 11:56am
      - Paulus
        
        Paid for under the “Leader of the Opposition Fund” which is for example what it was designed for.
        See what Chippy funds ?
        
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        December 18, 2023 2:04pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Good on the Taxpayers Union.
        
        https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/luxon_should_pay_back_te_reo_tuition_fees
        
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        December 18, 2023 4:48pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      If people want to learn to speak/write/communicate in a different language – in their own time and own expense – fine.
      But many of us out here don’t care.
      So long as we are not made to do the same for political reasons.
      Or any other debatable reason for that matter.
      
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      December 18, 2023 9:07am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Government agencies pay for relevant training. If a public servant is required to have some knowledge of the Maori language, then fine. What the Government was objecting to was quite different. It was employees being paid a salary bonus to rewards them for learning the language.
        
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        December 18, 2023 10:57am
      - Paulus
        
        My family a few years ago were seconded diplomatically overseas, and both husband and wife had to take language lessons before going.
        
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        December 18, 2023 2:05pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        BY, who makes this Public Sector requirement?
        Why do I have to pay for them to learn and get a bonus?
        Seems to be lopsided to me. I learnt many things in engineering fabrication. Nobody paid me a bonus for using my brain to learn machine/tool setting.
        Yes! Some of the manuals for guillotine and pressbrake electronic settings were in pigeon english, but I did not get any bonus to possibly learn the Chinese Language to cope with it.
        
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        December 18, 2023 2:10pm
      - RichardX
        
        Steve Otto(North Shore)
        …
        Why do I have to pay for them to learn and get a bonus?…
        
        Do you believe you are still a net taxpayer despite receiving a pension paid by net taxpayers?
        
        How did you calculate that?
        
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        December 18, 2023 2:52pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @RichardX.
        Anyone who has money tucked away will pay TAX on INTEREST, or did you not know that? Not very bright are you?
        
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        December 19, 2023 8:12am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      lol, Waikato Times thinking that Luxon gives any particular shit about Maori voters. Who in general, never vote for national. 😂
      
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      December 18, 2023 9:09am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Luxon is still leaning to Co-Governance.
        He needs educating instead of suck holing.
        
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        December 18, 2023 2:12pm
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Chuck Bird. So what?
      
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      December 18, 2023 9:22am
    - Vinicius
      
      What about the expenses run up by Minister’s under the last Labour Government?
      
      Of course there was no chance of the biased MSM ever scrutinising that.
      
      To me this stuff about Luxon and Te Reo is a non-event.
      
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      December 18, 2023 9:53am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Agreed, they will be trawling through to see if he paid his flights to his daughters capping
        
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        December 18, 2023 11:06am
    - Mummy
      
      Sorry accidentally reported you on another comment. I was going to say that if anyone needs to learn te reo for his job, surely it would be Luxon?
      
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      December 18, 2023 9:53am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Why te reo? Does this not equally apply to Mandarin, Cantonese, Hindi, Dutch, Afrikaans, Arabic, Spanish, Tongan and Samoan.
        Serious question, if not why not?
        
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        December 18, 2023 11:29am
      - Observer of Life
        
        Mummy: Agree. But why does NZ Sign Language NEVER get a look in? Asking for my deaf cousin.
        
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        December 18, 2023 2:40pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It will be in all mps package I bet you, he is not that miserable, they will be busily trying to find out if he paid his own flights to his daughters graduation this week
      
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      December 18, 2023 10:58am
      - MCōs
        
        Seeing as he used to be the big cheese at AirNZ I somehow suspect there was no charge, unless he insisted in case the question came up.
        
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        December 18, 2023 11:50am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Benedict Yu- “So what?”
    
    Its the fricking principle, that is “what”. Because a large part of the population (influenced by “progressive” moral relativity) do not give a damn about this aspect does not mean we should all fall to the same level (or likewise succumb to the brainwashing).
    
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    December 18, 2023 11:03am
  - peterwn
    
    A Minister and the Leader of the Opposition is entitled to 24 hour access to CR limos and be provided with a self drive which the family can also use. Prior to 1999 Ministers were entitled to two self drive cars (one for use in the electrorate and the other for use in Wellington), but Helen Clark reduced it to one.
    
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    December 18, 2023 11:48am
    - Paulus
      
      Doesn’t all ex Prime Ministers have access to a Chauffeured Government Car, and is not Jim Bolger the highest user.
      Cindy if she dares to come back will do so, I bet.
      
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      December 18, 2023 2:08pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        It is quite restrictive.
        
        https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2017/0261/latest/DLM7418436.html?search=ad_act%40regulation__former+prime+ministers____25_ac%40bn%40rc%40dn%40apub%40aloc%40apri%40apro%40aimp%40bgov%40bloc%40bpri%40bmem%40rpub%40rimp_ac%40rc%40ainf%40anif%40aaif%40aase%40arep%40bcur%40rinf%40rnif_a_aw_se&p=1
        
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        December 18, 2023 2:47pm
- lifesgood
  
  Ooooh, nasty! Another disgruntled lefty loser.
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:54am
- Flossie
  
  How much was it? And how do you know we paid?
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:06am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Read the Herald article.
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:52am
    - Flossie
      
      Is what’s in that paper necessarily accurate?
      
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      December 18, 2023 12:27pm
- cmm
  
  I hope he also learned sign language.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:08am
  - Jethrod
    
    Sign language can be distilled to 👍 👎, the forefinger and the next finger and the middle finger.
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:28am
  - rouppe
    
    Sign language must be really difficult. The interpreters that do the press releases only last 5 minutes and then have to change.
    
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    December 18, 2023 11:55am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The Te Reo issue is the bonus for learning, not the learning itself.
  I actually believe Te Reo learning for our politicians should be funded. It’s an official language and it’s entirely appropriate that they should understand it.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:46am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    “I actually believe Te Reo learning for our politicians should be funded. ”
    
    That is a reasonable position but that does not happen. Who gave the one to one lessons – Shane Jones or the dude with the cowboy hat?
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:55am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It will be available for all, I bet Ardern did exactly the same, I seem to remember her saying she was learning it too
    
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    December 18, 2023 11:08am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Good spotting re Ardern doing the same thing. If true I wonder how the far-left media scumbags will spin that!
      
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      December 18, 2023 5:04pm
- Ghost
  
  Here’s another story of the prime minister learning Māori, I bet the tax payer was paying for the lessons
  
  “I’m still learning te reo Māori, but I’ve always encouraged everyone to learn, to speak, no matter how small, or where you are in your language journey,”
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:54am
- Scooter
  
  It’s only right the PM of NZ should know Maori to a certain level and the Treaty of Waitangi, did Jacinda have knowledge of either of those? Apparently not as Willie Jackson had to whisper to her what were the 3 principles of the TOW. But she was as always given a pass by the MSM.
  
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  December 18, 2023 11:06am
- imalwaysright
  
  Chuck
  We are still paying Robertson , Hipkins , Woods and the rest of the rabble. Teaching Luxon to say tinacocoa is probably the best investment NZ has made in the last six years.
  
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  December 18, 2023 1:28pm
Warren

The filth from the Councl of Trade Unions are trying to push their prospective and tell the Reserve Bank Governor what to do with interest rates in New Zealand.
Chief Economist and two bob pom Craig
Penney told Morning Report the economy was in worse shape than forcasts from Treasury and the Reserve Bank had indicated. However, it was not as bad as the National Party had been depicted during the Election Campaign.
The latest figures are worrying because it was possible further falls were on the way Renney said.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/504793/ctu-wants-reserve-bank-to-rule-out-any-more-interest-rate-rises
This is from the same wannabe experts that helped the Labour Party and Finance Minister Grant Robertson destroy the New Zealand Economy with policy that wasn’t fit for purpose and promises that they never intended to keep that is the root cause of why there is no funding left for the National Government to fund their promises.
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December 18, 2023 8:41am
- Tricati
  
  The MSM will have every Bob, Dick & Harry, that is left leaning, in the news to attempt to 1) discredit Nationals approach to rebuilding our economy & 2) say what great economic policies Robertson (Labour) introduced in an attempt to save face.
  There’s no doubt about it, the country’s economy is in deep shit; the MSM know it, the Unions know it and we all know it, but it can never be Labour’s fault.
  Ardern, Robertson and Hipkins have a bloody lot to answer for, but unfortunately they wont – Just self serving arseholes.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:41am
  - artemisia
    
    The MSM and unions see their jobs under threat after a dream run for 6 years. Then take a look at all the other groups who also had the dream run courtesy of the taxpayer and follow the money. Like – academics and students who are worried about the future of learning and research (aka jobs current and future), pharmacies worried about sick people not picking up meds though less about cancer patients (aka …), activist groups (though jobs not so much of a worry for them), public sector employees who do their best to scrape up social justice and critical race theories (yeah, aka …).
    
    Did I mention aka?
    
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    December 18, 2023 1:30pm
- MCōs
  
  Looking at LinkedIn it would appear Craig Renney is an expert in his field
  https://www.linkedin.com/in/craig-renney-2044a025/details/education/
  Wasn’t he the Englishman who analyzed National’s proposed tax cuts and found them to be not all they’re cracked up to be?
  No wonder you label the CTU as ‘filth’ and him as a ‘two bob Pom’
  BTW
  He hasn’t worked for Robertson for three years.
  
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  December 18, 2023 2:18pm
herb1

Thinking of making a complaint to Human Rights Commission over discriminatory log in policies of Kiwiblog.
This morning I had to give answer to 10 + 3.
Clearly this limits the chances of left wing people ,including the last finance minister , of gaining admission to the site
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December 18, 2023 8:52am
- pdm
  
  Probably stops the former PM and his whole caucus Herb.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:41am
- RoboRob
  
  Comment of the year!
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well done. Did you hear that sound? Whhooossshhh!
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:43am
- goNZ1
  
  As a proudly educated kohanga reo student everybody knows the answer is 14
  
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  December 19, 2023 5:13am
surfing

Welcome to the world of maori co-governance…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rotorua-lakeland-queen-owner-told-to-build-gift-then-lease-new-jetty/6D6TIUWLNRFYNMTL4CRWLEJENI/

It’s sad we have a non-working sector of the economy leeching off the productive sector.
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December 18, 2023 8:52am
- Local Miller
  
  This is just a crazy concept. 1) You build it and pay for it. 2) You then give it to “us” for free. 3) We’ll rent it back to you.
  Plus: 4) You have to pay for the maintenance, and 5) You have to pay an annual fee that will be used in the future if it needs to be removed.
  Who would ever agree to a contract like this? A sure way to destroy the economy. I don’t expect to see the Lakeland Queen back on the water any time soon, if ever.
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:18am
  - Local Miller
    
    Oh, I also forgot #6) There’s a 3% tax on gross profit on top of all that.
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:40am
- Terry Dalee
  
  Isn’t that just a perfect summary of the Left-wing Maori aspirations for New Zealand?
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:21am
- NoFax
  
  Co-governance means NZ becomes like a Gulf State (e.g. Dubai) where an aristocracy clips the ticket on all economic activity in the country. Everything will require an Iwi partner, otherwise you don’t get to do it. This of course will kill our country as we don’t have enough oil to go along with this nonsense.
  
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  December 18, 2023 11:45am
I remember when

Carwyn Jones, kaihautu for Maori laws and philosophy at Te Wanagna o Raukawa and honorary associate professor of Maori studies at Victoria University.

Does his name explain much of the racial argument problem?
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December 18, 2023 9:04am
- MCōs
  
  What’s your problem with his name?
  My grandfather, father & myself all have Irish names. We’ve been to Ireland for a total of seven days & that was me.
  
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  December 18, 2023 12:41pm
Bridgenag

Yet another flawed “fact check” on the NZ data
They can’t get their facts straight. They never bother to check the hand-waving arguments that they get if they match the narrative.

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/yet-another-flawed-fact-check-on?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 18, 2023 9:06am
Maggie Pie

“Socialism is an alternative to Capitalism as
Potassium Cyanide is an alternative to water”

– Ludwig von Mises.

Thank goodness the voters of Wairapapa saw the light and kicked that Kieran McAnulty out in favor of the National candidate.

Didn’t sound like there was much luv for him anyhoo….

https://twitter.com/nzpoliticsgroup/status/1736296305235046409
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December 18, 2023 9:10am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Maggie Personally of all the Labour politburo McAnulty was the one that really gave me the creeps. Whilst the others were a collection of opportunists , careerists and grifters MacAnulty is a true believer. Standing behind Ardern displaying adulation and devotion he gave me the impression of her Lavrentiy Beria in waiting. God knows what may have been if our democratic heritage hadn’t won through and put an end to them. #nevervoteleftagain.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:32am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    EXACTLY as I felt as well Stellz. A creepy little creep 🙁
    
    This….
    
    https://twitter.com/maz_righthand/status/1736444473604034798
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:40am
  - Flossie
    
    He puts me in mind of an Australian Labor MP (Bill Shorten I think) who said of his then PM Julia Gillard “I don’t know what she said but I agree with her”.
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:54am
  - Scooter
    
    Apparently James Meager is an admirer of McAnulty (from 6.49min). Hmm maybe not such the wunder kid after all?
    
    https://youtu.be/Zf7EoJxankA?si=7YhkYszb_PnqWnoW
    
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    December 18, 2023 11:25am
    - gravedodger
      
      Ffs Time Magazine had Adolf Schickelgruber as its “Man ” of the year c1938.
      
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      December 18, 2023 3:40pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Yet the socialist idea is nothing but a grandiose rationalization of petty resentments. Not one of its theories can withstand scientific criticism and all its deductions are ill-founded. Its conception of the capitalist economy has long been seen to be false; its plan of a future social order proves to be inwardly contradictory, and therefore impracticable.
  
  Not only would Socialism fail to make economic life more rational, it would abolish social cooperation outright. That it would bring justice is merely an arbitrary assertion, arising, as we can show, from resentment and the false interpretation of what takes place under Capitalism. And that historical evolution leaves us no alternative but Socialism turns out to be a prophecy which differs from the chiliastic dreams of primitive Christian sectarians only in its claim to the title “science.”
  
  –Ludwig von Mises, Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis
  
  The first sentence is particularly succinct and devastating. Yet because the collectivist drive is so seductive to minds both credulous and supposedly sophisticated, von Mises had to write 600 pages and tens of thousands of words to demolish it once and for all.
  
  He wrote Socialism in 1922, 101 years ago, yet his warning was not enough for even by then academia and all manner of public intellectuals had been captured and had begun their long march through the culture. These were the liars who travelled to the then-new Soviet Union and waxed lyrical despite the brutality and poverty.
  
  They are the same ones now, a couple of generations later, who are the Greens and the Maori Party, the neo-Marxists, those pushing all kinds of division through the new lens of climate, race, and sex. The goal of that division is psychological dislocation, social unrest and the establishment of an authoritarian regime.
  
  https://mises.org/library/socialism-economic-and-sociological-analysis
  
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  December 18, 2023 12:09pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Spot on thirteenstars you just forgot the effort to disconnect people from their cultural heroes and collective identity. Huge obstacles when you want to build a utopia.
    
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    December 18, 2023 6:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Decolonizing our research awards.

The pettiness of our Social science activists exposed:

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/john-raine-david-lillis-peter-schwerdtfeger-respecting-rutherford-and-cook
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December 18, 2023 9:15am
- Benedict Yu
  
  “Shortly before this year’s election, MBIE announced the replacement from 2024 of the research excellence-focused Rutherford and James Cook Fellowships with the Aotearoa New Zealand Tāwhia te Mana Research Fellowships…”
  
  The Government needs to kill this stuff. “Change it back, or else.”
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:22am
  - krazykiwi
    
    MBIE were the agency feverishly closing 3W-related supply contracts up to, and after the elections.
    
    Luxon need to send in a political-vermin extermination team.
    
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    December 18, 2023 9:29am
    - Tricati
      
      Yep, and I would engage Steven Joyce to lead the charge.
      
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      December 18, 2023 9:45am
      - Ghost
        
        Why do people always want and expect Joyce to return? He quit, he wanted to spend his time with his autistic son. He has a more important job with his son. There are plenty of other people who can do the job.
        
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        December 18, 2023 9:53am
      - mikenmildagain
        
        Hah! MBIE is Steven Joyce’s legacy for the nation.
        
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        December 18, 2023 10:15am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Oh, you mean “drain the swamp?”
      Yes! Some have been there for decades doing nothing except stir right wing opposition.
      
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      December 18, 2023 3:05pm
- Swifty
  
  And bang on cue RNZ puts on a piece saying the notion that our institutions have been captured by leftist forces is a conspiracy theory advanced by populists and should be rejected out of hand.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/504919/how-populists-encourage-blind-mistrust-and-how-to-push-back
  
  Yep, the wrecking of our research capability through racial discrimination and equating Maori superstitions with science is all a figment of Trump’s imagination.
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:02am
Maggie Pie

O.M.G.

Took little Gladys for a walk round the block last evening.
Amanda and Chris have got the most magnificent Christmas Tree all lit up
in their front garden. Our type of people…it’s fab to have them in the hood 😀
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December 18, 2023 9:26am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Taking a relly to see the lights in Franklin Road tonight, since it should be back to all its glory this year after three years of grinch dominance.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:53am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, the gay populace have really pulled out all the stops there this year 😀
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:01am
- thirteenstars
  
  Can’t beat a good set of lights.
  
  Though Dyker Heights, Brooklyn, takes some beating.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcJ8GbD7EG4
  
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  December 18, 2023 12:30pm
- Paul
  
  If you were wearing Grey Spandex, have a bum to die for, and your dog was fluffy, then you qualify. Otherwise, anonymous?
  
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  December 18, 2023 6:55pm
rouppe

Crikey, this is like being made to pay protection money to the mafia.

He has to pay half a million dollars to build the jetty, then give it to the iwi, then lease it back…

A 2019 memorandum of licence stated the annual rent would be $11,500.

It said the trust wanted to ensure any new structures on the lake bed were strictly controlled and consistent with its environmental and cultural aspirations.

The lease would cover 25 years and the Lakeland had the right of renewal for another 15 years, then 10.

There would be other annual fees.

Hammond would also need to pay the trust 3 per cent of gross revenue quarterly, as well as a $3450 annual payment that would be used as a structure removal fund.

3% of gross revenue, would be shit tons of profit.
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December 18, 2023 9:32am
- Spam
  
  It’s amazing how money can restore mauri (‘life force’).
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:52am
  - rockape
    
    Especially Pakeha money. They seem reluctant to spend Maori money to restore the mana of Maori homeless and poor.
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:31am
  - kowtow
    
    I can’t wait for decolonialism , so my colonial money and taxes aren’t “redistributed” anymore.
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Spam, koha keeps the ‘taniwha’ away too – until the next time 🙂
    
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    December 18, 2023 3:09pm
- pdm
  
  rouppe I have a post on this at No Minister.
  
  My conclusion was that it is time for Government legislation and council by laws to end these rorts.
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:08am
  - rouppe
    
    Well, the iwi owns the lake. Can’t do anything about that and I’m not a fan of over riding property rights.
    
    The egregious bits to be are
    * He has to pay to build it and then give it away. That just not right or equitable.
    * A percentage of three gross revenue. You either charge a percentage, or a ground lease. Not both. That’s extortion.
    
    Feel for the guy, he’s trapped. He could burn the bloody thing and walk away but he’s left with nothing.
    
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    December 18, 2023 12:02pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You will own nothing and be happy?
      Seems like it.
      Iwi own the lake? It is water. Drain the water and Iwi can have the mud.
      Enough of this ownership of New Zealand Public Land!!
      
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      December 18, 2023 3:15pm
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Nothing? No he’s left with his self respect and the warm fuzzy glow that they got sfa.
      
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      December 18, 2023 6:39pm
The Redbaiter

Gerry Brownlee has hung around for years helping his leftist comrades white ant the traditional National party, and he’s an impotent belly crawler to the left as speaker too.

Even Mallard threw Rawiri Waititi out for doing a war dance in the house. Brownlee has connived at it and numerous other examples of disorderly behaviour.

If you want Brownlee to maintain standards in the house I suggest you email him (Gerard.Brownlee@parliament.govt.nz) and ask him the following questions-

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What is the dress code for MPs and how far is it going to fall before you say something?

What standards are required of MPs re the decorum of the House and given recent behaviour, when are you going to say something addressing this issue?

If MPs are going to address the house in a language unknown to most NZers, what means are you proposing to allow the television and radio audience to understand what is being said?

Further to the above, where is the English translation of the war dance (or haka) performed in the chamber recently and how is the public assured that the words uttered were within parliamentary guidelines?

What are the requirements for behaviour in the public gallery, and when are you going to say something on this?

Any comments or suggested additions to these questions welcome.
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December 18, 2023 9:35am
- Ghost
  
  I’d suggest you go to the parliament website and learn how to listen to the English translation on your tv, it’s been available for years.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:47am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Ghost- “I’d suggest you go to the parliament website and learn how to listen to the English translation on your tv, it’s been available for years.”
    
    Thank you for that info. Could I ask you where one might find the translation of the war dance performed by the new “maori” party MP during her maiden speech. (as asked above) Was this immediately available in the way you say the current service provides?
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:08am
    - Ghost
      
      Write them and ask them, but I doubt anyone cares apart form a handful of people who will continue giving it life. Parliament didn’t broadcast it and instead showed then clerk while it was being performed.
      
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      December 18, 2023 10:29am
- rockape
  
  Me I wonder if all the antics of the Maori Party and the Green Party for that,after are allowed because most voters are embarrassed by those performances. It won’t help them but will solidify support for the right.
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:34am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Minor parties only need to appeal to and shore up support from small segments of the electorate. MMP!
    
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    December 18, 2023 11:42am
  - goNZ1
    
    The is no other Parliament in the world that allows members to perform war dances and threatenly wave a weapon around in the faces of other MPs sitting in the chamber.
    This violent culture is playing a big factor in NZs shocking domestic violence and child homicide stats.
    
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    December 19, 2023 5:29am
- Bridgenag
  
  done
  
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  December 18, 2023 12:14pm
Master Mariner

Red Sea convoys, As the consequences of Hamas attack on Israel.
Interestingly enough, US Navy is only mandated to escort US Flagged shipping.
There is 40% of Global trade transiting the Suez Cannel.

Once declared a war zone, Then the consequences not reported so far apart from huge increases in insurance premiums is the very fact Seafarers will refuse to sail on ships transiting. Hence the real reason not to declare a warzone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVgqpxdh4LE
“Red Sea Convoys & An Increase in Naval Presence around the Bab el-Mandeb – Op Prosperity Guardian”

These are no longer Israel attacked ships but random attacks.

Its expected costs per container is 100$ just on extra costs, If reroute around South Africa , Then expect huge increases in costs and massive delays.
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December 18, 2023 9:44am
- G152
  
  Sink one in the Canal and they’ll all be transiting the Cape and we will be on the bones
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:49am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Sink one in the Panama as well and world trade is stuffed.
    
    Go the whole hog and blow up a gas tanker in each canal.
    
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    December 18, 2023 12:21pm
- thirteenstars
  
  “Interestingly enough, US Navy is only mandated to escort US Flagged shipping.”
  
  Unsurprising. That’s what a country has a navy for, to protect its own commerce. But as with the Brits before them, the US navy has kept the seas mostly free of bad actors, securing and enriching all of us.
  
  But comes a time when the slings and arrows have their intended effect and a great power withdraws or refuses to do what it once did or could.
  
  Maybe China will step in…
  
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  December 18, 2023 12:34pm
Ian Boag

The Government has said it will revert back to the old RMA once these bills are repealed, and until it comes up with a permanent replacement.

It’s been a while since I heard anyone say nice things about the old (now current) act ….

The “permanent replacement” thing seems to have been a bit hard for successive governments over the last 15 years. Good luck this time 🙂
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December 18, 2023 9:48am
- mikenmildagain
  
  What, the new government didn’t have a replacement already to go?
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:18am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Nah, don’t downtick Mike, he’s right there. It’s been obvious for years that the RMA needed reform. Hopefully though, it’s just a matter of agreeing a few tweaks so as to keep all three parties on board
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:32am
    - cmm
      
      Few people read what he says. He just gets auto downticked for being a troll.
      
      Pity he shits his own nest because he does occasionally say something of interest.
      
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      December 18, 2023 11:45am
      - Bridgenag
        
        never read …. on auto downtick….sadly he probably loves that….hard to ignore though. Love the times he/she /it/they/them are not on this site
        
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        December 18, 2023 12:18pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      just a matter of agreeing a few tweaks
      
      You wish 🙂
      
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      December 18, 2023 1:56pm
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        I do, I’d be very disappointed if it actually was the case that none of the coalition partners has well developed plans in this area
        
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        December 18, 2023 3:07pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    It’s a complex piece of legislation that will need 3 parties to sign off on it. Maybe don’t rush it???
    
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    December 18, 2023 11:11am
    - septic skeptic
      
      So it would have been a great opportunity for someone to proactively research and prepare a first draft while they were in opposition.
      
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      December 18, 2023 11:46am
      - MCōs
        
        National grizzled for years about this legislation it enacted in 1991 and that was about all they did.
        
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        December 18, 2023 12:23pm
      - artemisia
        
        I am sure National had a draft RMA Bill ready to go after the 2017 election. Might have been under Judith Collins’ watch, not sure.
        
        If so, it probably has been on the table while in Opposition.
        
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        December 18, 2023 3:07pm
  - Paul
    
    Meow! Perfection expected in others? But why?
    
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    December 18, 2023 7:02pm
Swifty

Bloody hell – could he or those around him not have seen this coming?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-under-fire-for-using-public-funds-to-learn-te-reo-maori/R5BBVQ2QWZC63OVK3NDAAIJ5HY/

It’s handing ammunition to the left – whether deserved or not.
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December 18, 2023 10:17am
- krazykiwi
  
  Luxon: Media attack him for using public funds to learn te reo.
  
  Ardern: Media applaud her taking 757 jet to better allow her to breastfeed en route to a meeting.
  
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  December 18, 2023 10:34am
  - Vinicius
    
    Does anyone remember Chippie taking two 757’s to China earlier this year? Did that cost more than Luxon learning Te Reo?
    
    https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/global-affairs/new-zealand-prime-minister-chris-hipkins-criticised-for-taking-two-planes-to-china-ahead-of-meeting-with-president-xi/news-story/0f3b2d0a589616ca7c82c61f707db4e2
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:48am
    - cmm
      
      “Did that cost more than Luxon learning Te Reo?”
      I sure as hell hope so.
      
      It shouldn’t cost more than $2k to tutor an MP in te reo.
      
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      December 18, 2023 11:46am
      - Bridgenag
        
        bought media
        
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        December 18, 2023 12:19pm
  - kowtow
    
    I wonder how many of them questioned the expense of taking “partner” and baby to UN .
    
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    December 18, 2023 10:52am
    - bennerg
      
      Talking about such, what has happened to “hubby”, and baby?
      
      Heard through the grapevine she was back in the country, but along with security detail was unceremoniously removed from at least one retail premise.
      
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      December 18, 2023 11:45am
      - Ghost
        
        Who cares. She gone, forget about her and move on with your life
        
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        December 18, 2023 12:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Ghost,
        Fuck her, we will never forget the damage she has done to our lovely New Zealand. I knew this day would come with that hideous speech in 2009.
        The younger generations will wonder why – it will take two generations to sink in.
        Fuck her.
        
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        December 18, 2023 3:54pm
      - Ghost
        
        Then she will continue to live rent free in your head. She’s gone, nothing you waste your energy on will change anything she has done. Life is short, move on and live your life, or keep giving her power
        
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        December 18, 2023 4:02pm
    - MCōs
      
      I think you’ll find there’s rules around who pays for what when MP’s families travel with them.
      
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      December 18, 2023 11:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Different when the left do it.
    Sometimes the other 757 goes as well, to transverse the States to see flaky friends, but more important is if one breaks down.
    
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    December 18, 2023 3:51pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Both are wrong but Ardern is more wrong
    
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    December 18, 2023 4:12pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  “could he or those around him not have seen this coming?”
  
  Probably not. No rational person would see any issue with it.
  
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  December 18, 2023 11:01am
  - cmm
    
    It is still bloody obvious isn’t it?
    
    If you pull out the knife to cut spending then you need to expect backlash if you’re not squeaky clean.
    
    There are thousands of troughers having their snouts pulled out of the trough. They will be angry and looking to lash out. They are not thinking fairly or rationally.
    
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    December 18, 2023 11:49am
    - Swifty
      
      I agree cmm.
      
      The secret to future electoral success for the NZ left will be to portray the Coalition as ‘mean and nasty’, as ‘looking after themselves and their mates’ at the expense of ‘ordinary Kiwis’ – and with the Left presenting themselves and the ‘kind and caring’ cavalry riding to the rescue.
      
      Nothing about it will be rational, fair or well-argued but, for a large proportion of New Zealand voters, it will work.
      
      This sort of stuff just plays into their hands, whether we agree with it or not, and should be avoided wherever possible.
      
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      December 18, 2023 12:19pm
    - rangitoto
      
      All of those wananga Te Reo courses are free and ta payer funded.
      
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      December 18, 2023 12:53pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      Agreed, and the Nat stalwarts here pretending that two wrongs make a right are way off the mark.
      
      Like it or not this is the kind of screw-up that hurts a politician, and in this case for good reason. It’s do as I say not as I do. The more succinct term is hypocrisy. It’s in the same ballpark as Health Minister David Clark going out biking in Dunedin during lockdown, or Boris Johnson, et al. partying up during same, though because the media is rabidly woke they’ll hammer Luxon’s case harder, which is no surprise and easily foreseeable.
      
      It also speaks to the belief long held by some here that Luxon is not all that staunch when it comes to these issues, and that if not for the ACT and NZF components of the coalition the agenda would be quite different, a lot softer.
      
      It’s also the kind of revelation that going forward makes a politician wary of taking a firm stand; one bitten, twice shy.
      
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      December 18, 2023 1:16pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        I no Luxon fan, but the examples you cite a not comparable. Clark and Boris’s actions were not just politically unwise, but illegal.
        
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        December 18, 2023 2:19pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “not just politically unwise, but illegal”
        
        No one cared a jot about the illegality, it was the optics of do as I say not as I do. It was about being given the hypocritical middle finger by those that presumed to lord it over us that rankled.
        
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        December 18, 2023 2:49pm
  - Swifty
    
    You think all New Zealanders are rational Benedict, and vote rationally?
    
    The left depend on their irrationality! They thrive on it. They revel in it. Without voter irrationality the left would never get in.
    
    Go and have a look on social media now and you’ll see thousands and thousands and thousands of New Zealander seeing this as Luxon baking portrayed as a grasping, two-faced, nasty politician.
    
    Eventually this will get National. It is certain that eventually the left will get back into government – let’s just try to prolong that for as long as we can, shall we? Minimising own goals for the left to seize upon would be a good start.
    
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    December 18, 2023 12:26pm
- Arthur Fleck
  
  It doesn’t matter what Luxon does – the MSM will spin it into a hit piece. It’s just all white noise at this point. The MSM needs to be ignored more. If they aren’t irrelevant already, they soon will be.
  
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  December 18, 2023 11:06am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Yes, they’ll spin it like Shane Warne.
    
    Lesson: don’t hand the ball to the buggers by scoring own goals.
    
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    December 18, 2023 1:21pm
- thirteenstars
  
  “Assimilationist governments banned the language in schools for much of the 20th century, causing trauma for many Māori.”
  
  There you go, folks, pluralistic equality be damned or you’re an evil assimilationist.
  
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  December 18, 2023 1:19pm
oldpark

Heard the guy Jason whats his name .Barry Soper’s back up on the Newstalk ZB News. Breathless announce a got you on Our PM Christopher Luxon.

Yes the same guy is employed by NZ Herald from the off shoot company known as NZME .
Seems our Prime Minister Christopher Luxon is being accused of the crime of the decade .
Labour Government funded him into learning a few Maori Words .Maybe to understand what was the re-naming of Government Department and why and meaning of such drastic decisions without even a beg your pardon to non Maori Voters .

Just a pity that NZs bought and paid for Media by the Ardern/Hipkins could at least cover a few damning headlines.
Like who or what is culpable and responsible for the 15,000,000,000 Billion Dollars Labour squandered in a recent short period .
Seems with NZ Mainstream Media bought and paid for by Ardern/Hipkins Regime would rather daily set out to crucify the new Government especially our Elected Prime Minister and his associates . Go Figure .
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December 18, 2023 10:47am
- lifesgood
  
  That guy, Jason Walls, is hopeless. Absolute lefty shill. I noticed the glee in his faux accented voice when he made the comment about Luxon learning Maori. Newstalk needs to get rid of him pronto, he’s turning me off.
  
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  December 18, 2023 12:05pm
Maggie Pie

What about Mark Mithell, eh?

He’s only been on Cuddles case for a week…..and look!

Police sent to the BP gang funerals in Whakatane over the weekend made 15 arrests, seized a variety of weapons such as knuckle dusters, machetes, axes, rifles and ammoo. Not to mention 6 motobikes!

Arrests were for such matters as…. breaking parole conditions, possession of drugs, and driving while disqualified.

Cindy would have given them a couple-of-mill taxpayers money and told them to pardy.

Just saying.
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December 18, 2023 11:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  And the dumb fucks still went there!
  Looking to fight?
  
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  December 18, 2023 5:18pm
- Paul
  
  Next the Judges, who have been a law unto themselves. Sentencing discounts need to be abolished.
  
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  December 18, 2023 7:09pm
cmm

Hair, tats, …

Anyone remember when cops had a dress code?

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/4/z/8/3/1/x/image.related.StuffThumbnailSixteenByNine.1600×900.4z82hx.11h8q4.png/1702850404146.jpg?optimize=high&crop=16:9,smart&width=748&format=webp
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December 18, 2023 11:43am
- Inandout
  
  cmm, and at least 5’8″, beardless, hair short and reasonably fit.
  
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  December 18, 2023 2:52pm
- Paul
  
  Tats are low class, and over 70% of cops have Tats.
  
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  December 18, 2023 7:10pm
- C-Town
  
  I saw one recently with a man-bun. A 20-something skinny white cop with a man-bun. Couldn’t really take hims seriously.
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:53pm
Maggie Pie

You can always tell a problem talkback-caller when they open with ….”Key Ora”

Just happened to catch a lady phoning into ZB who said “she wanted to nominate Rawhiri Waititi as politician-of-the-year for the way he has…. energized Maori”. Went on to say he has no regard for other races and thats how it should be.
Host did cut her off and described Rawhiri as nothing more than a ‘Theatrical Grandstander’

Honestly, what a f**ing mess 6 years of Labor have left this country in.
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December 18, 2023 11:52am
I remember when

Does the protest at Te Papa and damage to the English version of the Treaty show the lack of understanding of what the signing represented.
The Treaty was not written up by Maori and then translated in English.
IF (if) the Maori version, signed by the chiefs, is correct it means that the terms the Crown meant Maori to sign were incorrectly stated.

Surely that is the historical fact the display represents.
Why are Maori demonstrating, their version is, in their opinion, correct.
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December 18, 2023 11:55am
- cmm
  
  They are not interested in history.
  They are not interested in reality.
  They are only interested in their anti-colonial activism.
  
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  December 18, 2023 12:36pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    No. They’re only interested in the power their anti-colonial activism gives them.
    
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    December 18, 2023 1:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Anti-colonial activism, and koha.
    No koha? More activism.
    Tell me I am wrong.
    
    Libertarians are right, is correct. Power is the key they want.
    
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    December 18, 2023 4:01pm
Maggie Pie

As yet another body is discovered in a West Auckland park, lots of twitterati commenting on ‘X’ the burb should be renamed…. ‘Boot Hill’

https://tinyurl.com/mvu8w24j
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December 18, 2023 12:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Massey is code for the mis-named ‘Remmers.’//
  
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  December 18, 2023 5:21pm
Ghost

Well you have to start teaching them while they are young…..

Camera captures US toddler steals package from house front door before fleeing with mother
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December 18, 2023 12:50pm
Hugh Jarse

From memory Luxon wasn’t criticising people learning Te Reo as some are making out, he was correctly criticising the payment of a skills allowance for providing an extra $5000 in the salary ongoing and then with salary adjustments on top of that. Questions I would have had was I Luxon would be, how many lessons were involved, what was the standard to be achieved, who was to do the assessing, was this done in work time or own time ?, what was the profile of those that achieved the payment ?, would a Maori speaker get the payment as soon as they started work ?. Being the suspicious and cynical type of person that I am, I would look it as an annual taxpayer funded $5000 salary boost for some people whether it not it was relevant to the role. The demographics of who got it might be interesting.
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December 18, 2023 1:16pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I have an AT (Auckland Transport) Gold Hop Card. I use it rarely. Last was from the Shore to Auckland Hospital and back for allergy tests.
So the other day it was used from Bayview to Glenfield and back, off peak.
Hello I am charged and have been charged since Jun 2023. After 12 days waiting for an email I finally was told to go to Smale’s Station to get it sorted (and it was) Charged for 4 other return trips.
Now why wasn’t I told this in the first place.
Seems to get a job in admin customer service you have to pass some sort of test on how to fuck around the customer as long as possible.
Email sent about performance and incompetence – I don’t expect a reply.
In the Private Sector these bastards would be gone by 10am on the first Monday.
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December 18, 2023 2:38pm
- RichardX
  
  In the Private Sector these bastards would be gone by 10am on the first Monday.
  
  In the private sector you wouldn’t have your travel paid for by taxpayers.
  
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  December 18, 2023 5:10pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301028736/te-pkenga-announces-chief-executives-departure

“Winder’s departure comes months after the organisation announced a restructure that would see 200 full-time jobs disestablished.

In a statement, Deputy Chair Sue McCormack said Winder’s current role was set to change, hence his redundancy.”

Wow – redundancy.
That means a huge payout to someone who hardly got his seat warm.

What a travesty, and all the fault of that last Labour “government”.
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December 18, 2023 3:16pm
goNZ1

Im a bit late to the bloggery on Luxon and reo lessons but according to Newshub he said just on 6 December “Look, we want to encourage people to learn te reo, it’s a fantastic language, I wish I had learnt as a young person myself, as you know I’m trying to learn, I’ve found it actually very hard and very difficult to learn, it hasn’t been easy. I want to encourage as many New Zealanders to learn te reo as possible,” he said.

I find it quite alarming that the PM is giving this wokery any sort of priority or even encouragement given the state this country in, thousands of NZers leaving permanently,gangs running amok and many of the rest of us crippled by high interest rates. And we should be learning te reo ???!!
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December 18, 2023 3:25pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  Learning a second language is a personal decision. It can take anywhere between 700 and 3000 hours of tuition to become proficient.
  
  https://www.languagetesting.com/how-long-does-it-take
  
  That is a huge investment.
  
  You need to make choices. Maori vs Mandarin vs Spanish vs French vs Japanese vs German.
  
  What would you choose if you wanted to advance your employment prospects in a global market?
  
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  December 18, 2023 5:29pm
  - greybeard
    
    My first choice would be French ( I speak it but not very well ) followed by Spanish.
    Those, plus English, would enable me to speak with about half the earth’s population.
    That would be enough.
    
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    December 18, 2023 6:43pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      If you have a handle on French, Spanish is pretty straightforward.
      
      It’s even written how you speak it and has similar grammar structures to French. I think lots more people speak Spanish than French
      
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      December 18, 2023 7:32pm
  - goNZ1
    
    I would choose Australian, nobody chooses to live in NZ to get rich….
    
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    December 19, 2023 5:45am
thirteenstars

Very large Hamas tunnel found by IDF close to border. Big enough to drive through:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZG8-a-p7nI

IDF animation showing the layout. The numbers displayed indicate the length of sections in metres. Huge.

https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/18kjhjm/idf_of_unearthed_tunnel_illustration/
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December 18, 2023 3:26pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Do you think if we rename the new terrace tunnel the terror tunnel they’ll come over and build it for us? They honestly seem quite proficient at tunnel building.
  
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  December 18, 2023 4:09pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    With UN aid money too.
    
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    December 18, 2023 4:23pm
Chuck Bird

This is about 35 minutes. Who knows the most about climate change. Thumbs up for Dr Curry and thumbs down for NZ politicians.

“There’s no emergency” – dissident climatologist Dr Judith Curry on climate change

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBdmppcfixM&t=125s
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December 18, 2023 3:56pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  I would trust Curry before any other so called expert. She unlike the rest understands the science.
  
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  December 18, 2023 4:24pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Yeah, but NZ just had a cyclone, and it rained a lot, and warm air can hold more water than cold air, so “Climate Change” did it, and it’s an emergency, and we’d better wreck farms and plant pines on the land instead, and coal is bad, and buy an EV!!!
  Don’t make me give you the reading material…
  /s
  
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  December 18, 2023 4:50pm
Ghost

Former prime minister Sir Bill English will lead an independent review into Kāinga Ora, the Government’s housing department.

Housing Minister Chris Bishop previously promised a review of Kāinga Ora’s finances, saying in Opposition he did not have confidence in how the organisation was run.

Article

Bloody hell

“I am deeply concerned about the operating deficit which is already at $520 million in 22/23 and which is forecast to continue increasing.”
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December 18, 2023 4:19pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Is Bill culturally qualified? Is he ethnically able?
  Oh, that’s right only KO would think that way, the rest of us know Bill will fit the bill. There will be some ankles shaking at KO tonight (and no because of the cage fighting).
  
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  December 18, 2023 4:26pm
- Vinicius
  
  From your link.
  
  Chris Bishop states, “A recent report by the Treasury and Ministry for Housing and Urban Development found that Kāinga Ora’s level of debt had grown from $2.7 billion in 2018 to $12.3 billion in June of this year. Advice released last year suggests that if Kāinga Ora continues on its current trajectory, their debt would reach $28.9 billion by 2033.”
  
  Geez, what a mess. Going to be fascinating to see what Sir Bill English says about this eventually.
  
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  December 18, 2023 5:06pm
  - kevn
    
    Vini… I gather that most of the property development in Rotorua, is KO funded for social housing.
    
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    December 18, 2023 6:09pm
    - Paul
      
      Consider this: most Maori have a tribal affiliation, they are plonked down in Rotorua, some with $3,000 cash gifts to relocate, then they must ‘get on’ with Maori from different Iwi who are neighbors.
      There is no love from the top, only Iwi members with connections matter, all others are left to rot. That is the sad reality of Maoridom in New Zealand.
      Rangitira Iwi do not care when their Hapu and Whanau rot. We see it every day. They simply do not care.
      
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      December 18, 2023 7:19pm
- Swifty
  
  What a disaster for New Zealand families who have to pay for all of this.
  
  What a tragedy for the nation that in a couple of generations we’ve gone from a situation where the private sector built most of our housing and at little cost to taxpayers – to the current situation that government at local and central levels have so damaged and twisted our housing market through their interventions that they now have the perfect excuse to directly intervene and launch massive public housing programmes, all at eye-watering sums paid for by New Zealand families.
  
  Politicians buggered the housing market, now they portray themselves as the cavalry riding to our rescue, all at our expense!
  
  I was against Kainga Ora from the beginning for the simple reason that it was a sticking plaster, an extremely expensive sticking plaster, on a wound for which we were not fixing the fundamentals – that we have steadily made it too hard, too complex and too costly to provide affordable housing in sufficient quantities to meet growing demand.
  
  I see too a piece on RNZ this afternoon with Wallace Chapman and David Cunliffe enthusiastically endorsing yet another government intervention – socking property owners with tens of thousands of dollars annually in taxes should they have the temerity of having a vacant house.
  
  Honestly, there are times when I feel just so let down by our elected representatives. They have developed an extraordinary ability to excel in fucking things up so totally and so often.
  
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  December 18, 2023 5:49pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    the private sector built most of our housing and at little cost to taxpayers
    
    Cheap State Advances loans plus capitalisation of the Family Benefit certainly helped.
    
    massive public housing programmes
    
    Like all the State houses built in the 30-40-50’s. John Key grew up in one even ….
    
    Sorry – you are delusional ….
    
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    December 18, 2023 7:42pm
    - Swifty
      
      Good grief Ian.
      
      In the last 100 years the number of houses privately built dwarfs the numbers built by the state.
      
      Over the last 100 years there have been well over two million housing units built. The total number of houses built by the state in New Zealand numbers in the few hundreds of thousands.
      
      Where do you think the rest of them have come from?
      
      Want to prove me wrong?
      
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      December 18, 2023 8:23pm
Maggie Pie

Had to larf. Just heading home from a committee meeting at the Club.

Picked a txt from my partners mum….. “Are you listening to that quarter wit on ZB they’ve got filling in for Heather? He’s definately not the full quid”

Turns out she’s referring to that far left commie arsehat Tim Roxbrough.
Why NZME would risk damage to HDPA’s afternoon ratings is beyond me. Now on 95.1 for the duration.
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December 18, 2023 4:55pm
- greybeard
  
  When I heard him getting stuck into Luxon for spending a few taxpayer dollars learning maori I turned it off and took the dog for a walk. No Kate, Mike or Heather for a few weeks, so they may as well close down for that period.
  
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  December 18, 2023 5:01pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Honestly grey…you’d have to wonder where they find these people??
    That other imbecile Romain Traverse is a complete turn off as well. No wonder his wife left him. One of the girls from tennis knows him. He used to be a rep for Pfizer apparently. Hmmm….
    
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    December 18, 2023 5:11pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “One of the girls from tennis knows him. He used to be a rep for Pfizer apparently.”
      
      That seems like a fantasy.
      
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      December 18, 2023 5:23pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        LOL! And wot would you know Bene?
        Bet you’ve never played competitive tennis in your life.
        
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        December 18, 2023 5:36pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Well no.
        
        Tennis is now ranked as the #1 most boring sport globally.
        
        https://sportsmonkie.com/most-boring-sports/#7_Tennis
        
        Perhaps you could instead get a job.
        
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        December 18, 2023 5:53pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Got any vacancies in your business?
        
        LOL!!
        
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        December 18, 2023 6:33pm
      - Bridgenag
        
        Pfizer advertising on Spotify now
        
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        December 18, 2023 7:52pm
- Paul
  
  Get some fresh Grouper online from Saltwater Seafoods in Napier. I owe it to you after recommending Mr. T’s bakery in Onehunga.
  A Main street in sharp decline as the Onehunga Business Association is closing.
  
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  December 18, 2023 7:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Sad to hear that Paul.
    The $2 Shop there is also one of my partners ‘go to’ for Shaving Creme.
    
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    December 18, 2023 7:52pm
Chuck Bird

Tim Roxborogh is on ZB and rubbishing Winston in the Jack Tame interview. I tried to get through to say how biased Tame is but they say they do not like their own critsized. That is fair enough for talk show hosts but should be different for the likes of Tame, Hosking or HDPA.

Thumbs up if you agree Tame is biased and unfair and thumbs down if you think Tame is fair.
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December 18, 2023 4:58pm
- oldpark
  
  That clown Roxburgh is so far left he needs another leg . NZME must be desperate to have him and whats his name Tame in the same stable .
  
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  December 18, 2023 5:26pm
  - Albie
    
    I tuned into ZB tonight just to check who was on. Lasted 2 minutes.
    Looks like I will be having a long break from ZB over Christmas if all they can summon up for hosts are leftist wokesters.
    
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    December 18, 2023 5:41pm
- kevn
  
  BY… I thought nude Morris Dancing took that cake.
  
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  December 18, 2023 6:10pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Same, lasted two minutes, as soon as the microphone opened he was on his usual anti national rant. Sent them a text and won’t be back in the afternoon until the hosts change over.
  
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  December 18, 2023 7:58pm
Ghost

Damn. But there don’t seem to be many tents.

Australia’s rental crisis is the worst it has ever been with tent cities growing in parks as families struggle to stay afloat.
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December 18, 2023 5:05pm
- cmm
  
  A bit of that going on in the Rowerland too.
  Quite a few people have set up pretty permanent car camping sites in Christchurch (especially in the red zone land to the east) and no doubt elsewhere too.
  
  Hey, why not? So long as they are reasonably tidy and respectful of others.
  
  I notice though that some have set up right next to public picnic tables and have claimed these as their turf.
  
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  December 18, 2023 5:53pm
Benedict Yu

What a great decision.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/301028448/nz-politics-live-former-pm-sir-bill-english-to-review-kinga-ora
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December 18, 2023 5:16pm
cmm

“Everyone deserves a trophy” thinking hits F1 racing.

Verstappen gets “fined” for winning too much!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/133472055/f1-champion-max-verstappen-hit-with-absurd-2-million-fine-for-winning-too-much
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December 18, 2023 5:49pm
- Paul
  
  You have to love Red Bull, a sugar drink with caffeine. Marketing genius.
  
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  December 18, 2023 7:26pm
  - goNZ1
    
    Amazing isn’t it, where all the outrage from the obese and diabetic lobby?
    
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    December 19, 2023 5:54am
Ghost

The only Xmas parade worth going to

Pleasant Point parade
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December 18, 2023 5:58pm
kevn

Av gas issues: #4. Paywalled but headline says it all.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/jet-fuel-problems-damaging-for-new-zealand-aviation-airline-group-warns/AATCOR74MNF75ECYW45ENY3DKM/
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December 18, 2023 6:02pm
Swifty

1984 Labour election advert:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7WyX-4qLBqQ

Quite a little time capsule.
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December 18, 2023 6:03pm
- Ghost
  
  Mate, you’d roll over in your grave and shit yourself if you saw how much things went up under saint Cindy of the Ardern, and how badly nz is now.
  
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  December 18, 2023 6:11pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Eggs went up 14 cents under National! So said a fat bloke who could only manage lifting a sausage roll. The only good things about that election were Roger Douglas and Peter Tapsell.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:39pm
Paul

Nikkei article today (Paywalled)
WASHINGTON — The U.S. military will make “significant progress” toward reclaiming a World War II-era airfield on the Pacific island of Tinian in the upcoming months, an air force general said, part of an initiative to disperse aircraft across the Indo-Pacific region as China’s missile threat continues to grow.

The U.S. Air Force is stepping up construction at the Tinian North airfield, once used by the largest B-29 bomber fleet during World War II, and at the Tinian International airfield, Gen. Kenneth Wilsbach, commander of the Pacific Air Forces, said in an interview on Wednesday.

“If you pay attention in the next few months, you will see significant progress, especially at Tinian North,” Wilsbach said.

The airfield “has extensive pavement underneath the overgrown jungle. We’ll be clearing that jungle out between now and summertime,” Wilsbach said, adding that it will be “an extensive” facility once construction is complete.

Wilsbach declined to comment on when the airstrip will be operational.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/Interview/U.S.-to-reclaim-WWII-airfield-in-Pacific-clearing-jungle-by-summer?
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December 18, 2023 6:07pm
fernglas

Can I just note the outstanding success of NZ company Neuren, an ASX listed biotech, which has just announced successful phase 2 results in Phelan McDermid syndrome, one of four conditions in which it is testing NNZ 2591. NNZ2591 is a drug invented at Auckland University by Professor Dame Margaret Brimble. Neuren has seen its share price rise 30% during trading today following the announcement, and is up close to 1500% in the last 2 years, following on from FDA approval of its drug Daybue, which treats patients with Rett Syndrome. NNZ2591 has potential for successful treatment of conditions across the autism spectrum. This is a world leading drug and congratulations are due to Dame Margaret for spearheading a 20 year journey.
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December 18, 2023 7:01pm
Maggie Pie

ZB News reporting….’Kaianga Ora has $45 billion in assets and shows a loss of 5 billion.’

– Rt. Hon. Chris Bishop.

Time for yet another ovverhaul by the sound of it?
Even my poartners mum can get 6.5% @ ANZ for her measly few mill.

Grant Robberson economics 101.
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December 18, 2023 7:09pm
- Vinicius
  
  Remember who the Minister’s of Housing were in the Ardern-Hipkins administration.
  Phil Twyford: 2017-19
  Megan Woods: 2019-23
  
  No doubt if there ever was Labour 2017-23 is the worst government in NZ history.
  
  Pity we don’t have impeachment in NZ.
  
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  December 18, 2023 8:54pm
  - goNZ1
    
    Yet another example of what happens when people with zero real business experience get to control the levers of govt.
    Democracy can be messy..
    
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    December 19, 2023 6:00am
Ghost

Thanks again go to labour for the financial positions of these polytechnics. Shit is there anything you financial geniuses didn’t fuck up

Te Pūkenga: Leaked documents reveal horror financial position for polytechs, insiders spill beans on ‘s**tshow’ meeting with minister
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December 18, 2023 7:42pm
Ghost

Maybe corrections read Maggy’s posts

The meals will consist of roast chicken, gravy and vegetables for lunch, and chicken luncheon, relish and salad sandwiches for dinner, along with two Christmas mince pies to acknowledge the day.

Inmates Xmas meal
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December 18, 2023 9:03pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Prison sounds pretty good. I was expecting a plate of grass North Korea style.
  
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  December 18, 2023 9:33pm
- nathie
  
  Heck that sounds better than my Christmas lunch and dinner!
  
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