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Yvette

Sacrosanct
Prime Minister Christopher Luxon, Finance Minister Nicola Willis and ACT leader David Seymour have confirmed they will be in attendance on Friday for a presentation from the forum.

[Iwi Chairs Forum co-chair Pou Tangata, Rahui Papa] said the Iwi Chairs Forum would have to navigate how to respond to ACT’s proposed Treaty Principles Bill, especially when Māori viewed Te Tiriti to be sacrosanct *

I do hope that David Seymour asks ”When Māori view Te Tiriti to be sacrosanct”, to which sacrosanct version do they refer? The original. or something in the 1980s or the expanded view of the past Labour six years, so how sacrosanct is the original ?

Like as I have written before – probably to the extent of voting some readers – when the United States Supreme Court confirmed abortion was not in the US Constitution – to an utter furore in the US as individual states have to deal with it at there legislative level and here “journalists” asked Luxon what they hoped would be embarrassing ‘gotcha’ questions to a Christian, but not is what in the original actually sacrosanct Treaty of Waitangi – until David Seymour has the courage to do that.

And that seems to be all that he is doing. But of course it a later version of the ’sacrosanct’ Treaty expands the rights they have, of course some iwi will be a little upset.

Mana o te Wai Statements are not in the original, nor specifically, with any great emphasis, respect of the ancestors which although inherit in most every other civilisation, recently saw Pete Ellis’ reputation rights extent beyond death and tikanga written into New Zealand law.

Māori viewe Te Tiriti to be sacrosanct – yep, okay, if it is what it was **
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* https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/508168/leaders-arrive-for-iwi-chairs-forum-ahead-of-waitangi-day
** Just as I wondered how “Co-governance” could be condensed into an Ardernian bumper sticker, they came up with MAHI TAHI, dang! – so if they want to do the same for David Seymour’s position, they could feel free to use IT IS WHAT IT WAS (after Ardern’s infamous covid quote on the division of vaccinated against non-vaccinated to shaft the nation) – no charge
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February 2, 2024 8:00am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Yvette – David Seymour will fold and worship.
  
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  February 2, 2024 10:47am
  - Yvette
    
    Sir Cullen’s Sidekick, I will maintain my confidence in David Seymour until at least next Wednesday morning – so should Luxon
    
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    February 2, 2024 11:25am
- Philview
  
  Waitangi day seems to have morphed into Waitangi month.
  
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  February 2, 2024 12:40pm
Maggie Pie

FOLLOW THE MONEY 😎
Six months ago, it was….. “nothing to see here”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/508184/health-ministry-admits-failings-in-handling-contracts-it-awarded-to-firms-with-links-to-peeni-henare

Hmmm. There’s a name for this.
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February 2, 2024 8:10am
- cmm
  
  Need to get rid of those pesky white mofos that interfere with legitimate business.
  
  The goal is clear:
  Step 1: Introduce Maori health authority.
  Step 2: As the king of Huntly has said, Maori can rule for all. Maori Health Authority can run all health.
  Step 3: Rinse and repeat for all government departments.
  
  (shifted from further down the thread)
  
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  February 2, 2024 8:18am
  - pdm
    
    `(shifted from further down the thread)’
    
    We would all like to to that at times cmm.
    
    Are you the `magic man’?
    
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    February 2, 2024 8:29am
    - cmm
      
      No magic. Just copy and paste, then delete the old one, which you can do within the 5 minute edit window.
      
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      February 2, 2024 8:53am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Tip of the iceberg
      
      I really hope Nicola Willis starts those extra ird auditors she is employing, looking at labour mps.
      
      Jacinda globe trotting with no job / income. James Shaw resigning from the best paid job he’ll ever have (unless national lured him away with a public servant job). Where have Andrew little and kelvin Davis disappeared to?
      
      More senior.labour mps will disappear this term. But where are they all going, no right minded business would employ them?
      
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      February 2, 2024 9:04am
      - Swifty
        
        Businesses, yes – but the civil service, charities, NGOs and unions, no.
        
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        February 2, 2024 10:36am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Exactly swifty. And where do those organisations get their money from?
        
        From corrupt politicians dishing out billions of our hard earned cash under the cloak of covid, to set themselves up for a very comfortable life after politics
        
        Some less generous than me call it corruption.
        
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        February 2, 2024 2:47pm
- Ehlana
  
  Decolonisation?
  
  I’m impressed that Radio NZ followed up until they got answers though.
  
  The Health Ministry’s idea of an “integrity week” to “better educate staff on conflicts of interest and integrity in general” is wonderful and I’d like to see it adopted throughout the public service and promoted to the public, complete with specially marked police cars and pedestrian crossings.
  Perhaps, like Maori Language Week, it could eventually become a permanent feature, even included in job advertisements.
  
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  February 2, 2024 8:19am
  - cmm
    
    Is “integrity week” enough? It sort of implies that for the other 51 weeks of the year it is business as usual.
    
    How about “integrity first” as a fundamental guiding principle?
    
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    February 2, 2024 8:22am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Yes, if you have to explain integrity to your staff then you have the wrong staff.
      
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      February 2, 2024 8:42am
      - Matt Long
        
        The public service have to be proficient in the principles of the treaty, integrity doesn’t appear to be a qualification.
        Certainly didn’t see that in the Jod advertisement Alwyn Poole posted a while ago.
        
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        February 2, 2024 10:38am
      - cmm
        
        One of my customers were having some “integrity issues”, almost all of it in their relatively small Indian offices. Not surprising since bribery etc are rife there. You can hardly buy lunch without bribing someone.
        
        But they couldn’t line up their Indians and say “Now listen here (inaudibles), You can’t do this anymore. It makes the American boss feel embarrassed.”
        
        Nope. That would be racist.
        
        Instead they developed an “ethics” programme with an online class including tests etc. This was then forced on every one of their 12,000 employees around the world.
        
        I doubt it was successful, but at least the American boss can sleep peacefully knowing they’ve ticked the box and it won’t come back to bite him.
        
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        February 2, 2024 1:11pm
  - Paulus
    
    I see that nearly all the media will confirm that the Coalition Government and particular Christopher Luxon have had a sloppy week.
    Oh for the never ending criticism by the so called Labour Party Media.
    Every new Government needs a few weeks to settle, except the media, who will take every day and week to try and make the Government unable to exist, as they did not vote demographically for this Coalition Government, the first under the stupid MMP.
    Sad Media unable to grow up !
    
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    February 2, 2024 10:45am
    - Graeme Hall
      
      The media are what they are.
      We all know where the media stand.
      Ignore them.
      
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      February 2, 2024 12:10pm
    - riffer
      
      How sad there are no emoticons available on this site.
      
      This government said they’d hit the ground running, with an ambitious 100 day plan to wind back the clock on a bunch of stuff.
      
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      February 2, 2024 1:06pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Riffer, just for you. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
        
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        February 2, 2024 2:37pm
- Simon
  
  These are the types of people Luxon intend NZ “partnering” too.
  
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  February 2, 2024 8:30am
- Clyde
  
  Yes, of course there is a name for this. But we, as a country are squeaky clean aren’t we? Examples so far seem to show that this behaviour shows interesting trends. Anyone spot the commonality between all of the dealings with Henare, Mahuta, Tamihere etc etc?
  
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  February 2, 2024 8:38am
  - kowtow
    
    The people behind this are the Labour Pardy types ( particularly but certainly not exclusively) who used their elected positions to change our constitution by stealth to benefit one race only , justified by any and all manner of spurious claims about inequity , historical wrongs , systemic this that and the other .
    
    In order to reinforce this they also literally bought off one of the few democratic institutions in the country that might have ( had they been inclined) challenged this nonsense , the so called fourth estate.
    
    The only answer to this is a binding referendum as per David Seymour and the Act party .
    
    NB ;who opposes that .They too a big part of the problem.
    
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    February 2, 2024 10:11am
    - Paulus
      
      It appears that the Labour Party are still very active within the Public Service as they will continue to leak whatever they can to try and destabilise the elected Government.
      
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      February 2, 2024 10:48am
    - Sparrow
      
      A referendum will never happen. Its dead in the water. Only support is from one minor party and many on blogs like this. The rest of NZ is not interested they are either trying to pay for their groceries or don’t want a shit fight.
      
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      February 2, 2024 11:20am
      - julesnzuk
        
        Sparrow – I (and I suspect many others) beg to differ. You can’t possibly speak for “the rest of NZ’ and nor can I – but I think it’s safe to bet that they are sick to the back teeth of this revisionist Treaty of Waitangi nonsense and are very annoyed at the inordinate amount of time that is wasted on it. Time that could be spent on other things, such as creating the economic conditions that will facilitate people being able to pay for their groceries.
        
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        February 2, 2024 12:35pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Sparrow: “The rest of NZ is not interested they are either trying to pay for their groceries or don’t want a shit fight.”
        
        If they don’t face this and deal with it, they will have a hell of a lot more than paying for their groceries to worry about. We have a minority of backward looking racial shit stirrers hell bent on turning NZ in to something approximating Fiji or possibly Zimbabwe, or worse. They’ve already suggested the use of violence to get what they want.
        
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        February 2, 2024 12:57pm
      - cmm
        
        I wish Sparrow was wrong but (s)he/zur is probably right.
        
        Any threats of conflict or violence (of which there have been many) and the average NZer will shut up and back down rather than be the target of abuse and vitriol – let alone real violence.
        
        The threats are not going to go away. They will only increase.
        
        It looks almost inevitable that the only way this can go is a continued escalation until reasonable people do throw their toys out of the cot.
        
        Hopefully that happens sooner rather than later because if it is left too late it can only lead to civil war.
        
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        February 2, 2024 1:18pm
- JC60
  
  It is interesting that once Henare was no longer health minister, the company in question that was run by his partner and had the government contracts, was dissolved.
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:03am
- backster
  
  Never thought Nanaia was the only one.
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:09am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  They had an independent report telling them this before the election but we are only finding out about it now.
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:27am
- Ruawai
  
  And now his wife has left the company and the company has been dissolved as if it never existed. Reminds me of the movies where con artists set up elaborate companies that disappear overnight once the scam has taken place.
  
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  February 2, 2024 12:24pm
Grunter

The UK COVID enquiry is heating up. An article below. Already it is clear that lockdowns were a load of crock and they just made it all up on the fly.

The jabs obviously failed.

School closures? “There was more chance children would die from being hit by lightning playing in the playground!”

That doesn’t leave much that our Preachers mandated….. MIQ ?? Yeah right!

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/covid-inquiry-finds-lockdowns-were-terrible-while-reporters-call-bullit-governments-lead
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February 2, 2024 8:14am
Matt Long

European Farmers aren’t lying down when it comes to their livelihoods being destroyed.
https://x.com/PeterSweden7/status/1753034852331381081?s=20
Irish Taoiseach Leo Varadkar says no more farming regulations needed.
https://m.independent.ie/farming/news/farmers-should-not-have-to-face-more-new-regulations-over-the-coming-years-varakdar/a1627013897.html
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February 2, 2024 8:16am
- cmm
  
  Well yes and no….
  
  Some of this is squealing because they are also being cut off from their subsidies.
  
  In NZ many of these would just be hobby farmers. You can make a “career” out of it in Europe due to subsidies and protectionism.
  
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  February 2, 2024 8:20am
  - Matt Long
    
    I’m against subsidies of all kinds, however driving people bankrupt with regulations and removing subsidies without a viable progression to a subsidy free environment is evil.
    The European farmers are my competitors, but I’m not going to rejoice in the EU screwing them over, because the same tyrannies are coming this way under the guise of market access. Non tariff barriers.
    
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    February 2, 2024 8:28am
    - Grunter
      
      Yes, when Damion O’Connor ran around saying, “The market demands these things” – what he really means is the unelected EU central planners want these things.
      
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      February 2, 2024 8:40am
    - cmm
      
      I would argue that there isn’t a viable progression because these are not viable businesses.
      
      The only way they can possibly become viable businesses is to completely change their way of farming and consolidate their tiny farms.
      
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      February 2, 2024 8:47am
      - Matt Long
        
        All of these farms? Are you advocating CAFO only systems run by multinationals with immigrant labour?
        Some businesses will fail with subsidies, some would fail without them, there appears to be a little more going on than that.
        
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        February 2, 2024 9:01am
      - cmm
        
        No, obviously not ALL the farms, but a large number of European farms only exist because of a massive subsidies.
        
        For example in France the median dairy herd size is 78 cows. In West Germany it is only 48 cows. In NZ it is over 400.
        
        If/when subsidies go away many of those farms will go out of business and maybe consolidate into larger herds.
        
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        February 2, 2024 9:16am
      - GJM
        
        This has been happening for years in NZ. A lot of dairy farms have gone – 40 I believe in a year in Northland. Many of these are like ours – 70-100ha (175-250acres) running say 200 cows. This is not economic. We have some very clever family friends farming in the UK, and before Brexit, they were quite open about farming the EU subsidies as a significant part of the income. They got paid to leave a field empty up to a certain date, with the thinking that it was then to late to plant. In their case, the next day, put in a late crop on the basis of if the yield was poorer, it was free money – the income was guaranteed anyway.
        Our farm was 83 acres when my parents bought it in 1975, say 60 cows. All the farms were that size as returned serviceman’s blocks. We bought half the farm next door, where the retiring owner had raised 6 kids and made a good living. Fast forward a few years, 140 cows, and then buying up some more neighbours land to our current 100 ha (70 ha effective) plus another 20 ha leased as silage and hay growing and off farm grazing for young stock and dry cows. I have a day job to put food on the table. We would need to double in size to be economic. There would also need to be plant investment – a new cowshed is around $1.5m for example.
        
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        February 2, 2024 1:37pm
  - Simon
    
    “Some of this is squealing because they are also being cut off from their subsidies.”
    
    lol – dont think these same globalist nuts wont come after NZ farmers.
    
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    February 2, 2024 8:37am
  - All_on_Red
    
    They were given subsidies as compensation for all the Green Taxes being levied.
    Now the subsidies are going but the Taxes remain.
    It looks almost like a deliberate strategy to make them go broke…
    
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    February 2, 2024 8:43am
    - Grunter
      
      The ‘State’ must run zee farms….and you must eat zee bugs! Only then will you be happy.
      
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      February 2, 2024 9:05am
    - judith8409121
      
      removing tax subsidies is not ‘subsidising farmers’ – The taxes are part of the madness of the great CO2 cult. So lets not beat around the ‘subsidy’ pretence. This is about slowly boiling a frog and taxing things like proper farming out of existence.
      
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      February 2, 2024 9:55am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    ‘Some’ is an understatement. Seems like people on the right really want this to be a big protest against climate hysteria, but what the farmers actually want is plenty of tariffs and subsidies to protect them from market forces.
    
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    February 2, 2024 9:37am
  - Paulus
    
    The EC was originally predicated on the Common Agricultural Policy which totally favoured the French Farmer, even to this day.
    
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    February 2, 2024 10:50am
- Handyman
  
  After WW2 Europe and the UK set out to have food and energy self-sufficiency. Both sides learnt the lesson of the sub war in the Altantic. They accept the resulting policy results in inefficient farming and is very costly.
  
  The green left have successfully got rid of coal-based energy self-sufficiency and now turn to getting rid of Europe’s food self-sufficiency.
  
  The left want to reduce food production; I would say the more noble goal should be to lower the cost of food (and energy) for the population. Having said that, lowering the cost of food by encouraging farming to be more efficient is still a very divisive policy in the EU. But there must be a way to have a sensible debate, over perhaps many years, without unilateral farm closures.
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:41am
  - rockape
    
    The National Union of Mineworkers got rid of the UKs coal industry. They did so by refusing to keep the pumps running and most of the South Yorkshire mines flooded damaging all the underground gear and never to be reopened.
    
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    February 2, 2024 10:02am
    - Jinky
      
      Bullshit. Safety teams were prevented from entering the mines by NCB. The miners knew the pits would flood or burn if not maintained. Thatcher was determined to crush the union no matter the cost to the country. Bugging the union offices, starving the families, violating their rights to peaceful protest and using the police to beat them up.
      
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      February 2, 2024 10:41am
      - Cassandra
        
        More bullshit. Starving the families? Beating up the miners? You’re making things up.
        
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        February 2, 2024 1:08pm
- kowtow
  
  Varadkar can say what he likes , but he’s sat back and been a huge part of the problem , like most so called mainstream politicians .
  
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  February 2, 2024 10:00am
  - Matt Long
    
    Agree, but can you imagine Luxon saying it’s time to halt farm regulations?
    
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    February 2, 2024 10:42am
    - kowtow
      
      Listening to The Country .
      
      Strong farmer rep in this parliament .
      
      Can only be a good thing.
      
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      February 2, 2024 1:04pm
I remember when

Just looking at the New Zealand Davis Cup team.
Once upon a time I would have known about every member – now I only recognise one name.
Come to that the Davis Cup was once one of the highlights of the Tennis year.
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February 2, 2024 8:18am
- pdm
  
  I am no great Tennis follower (I’ll leave that to Maggie Pie) but I agree IRW.
  
  The man/woman in the street knew Parun, Fairlie, Lewis x 2 or 3, Evenden etc. Now if Venus and Daniels don’t make themselves available we have a bunch of unknowns.
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:33am
  - greybeard
    
    In the same time period as Parun, Fairlie, Lewis etc there were athletes like Dixon, Mary Decker, Dick Quax etc.
    We used to go to Newtown Park in the evening to watch them compete.
    Great times.
    Not to mention the huge crowds at Athletic Park for the Wellington Club Rugby games with heaps of then-current All Blacks.
    
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    February 2, 2024 2:19pm
oldpark

Could not help but wonder when I heard the ex Wellington City Councilor runaway named Ms Paul .Yes the same one who has committed another huge cost to Ratepayers for a bye -election .
Yes she now sits in NZs Parliament under the Hamas Terrorist supporting so called Green Party .
She used a phrase “Ram Raiding” in her speech .
The real “Ram Raiding” was when she was a Wellington City Councilor and twice voted to financially “Ram Raid” Wellingtons’ Ratepayers
to the tune of a $250,000,000 for bicycle tracks .
How is that for a Legacy which seemed to be overlooked when she won the seat of Wellington Central .Wonder what part of financial ‘Ram Raiding” against Wellington Ratepayers has she conveniently forgotten when she used the phrase in her recent speech in Parliament .Go Figure.
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February 2, 2024 8:20am
- cmm
  
  The real question is whether the Wellington ratepayers have learned yet or will they just bend over and take another ramming?
  
  I suspect that a very large % of Wellington ratepayers think they are doing the right thing and that all the pipes and other boring stuff should be paid for by central government (hence the high support for 3 waters).
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:42am
  - Groggy
    
    Wellington Central is dominated by the student vote. It may be different with a Feb election rather than October as it will be more difficult for the Greens to drag them away from O week for something as boring as a byelection.
    
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    February 2, 2024 11:15am
- Damocles11
  
  Yes, Paul wasted huge sums of money in Wellington & then ran away to bigger things, leaving a shambles behind. She is another of these people that will end up not doing a single days honest hard work in her life. Straight onto the ratepayer / taxpayer gravy train leveraging her privilege as a young leftist wahine ‘person of colour’.
  
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  February 2, 2024 10:24am
  - R
    
    ran away to bigger things,……
    she found a much larger pot of other people’s money to spend once she gets the opportunity.
    
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    February 2, 2024 11:26am
Matt Long

John Podesta, of the “looks like a pedophile” artwork, is Biden’s new Climate Czar.
He’s also famous for stirring conspiracy theories by being in Christchurch just before the massacre that set off Ardern’s campaign to clamp down on free speech and confiscate firearms.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/31/john-podesta-biden-new-climate-change-adviser-replacing-john-kerry
https://twitter.com/RealOmarNavarro/status/1565933705025073152?s=20
https://peakd.com/news/@artistiquejewels/john-podesta-touring-in-new-zealand-days-before-shooting-after-praising-prime-minister-and-calling-them-a-juicy-target
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February 2, 2024 8:21am
- Simon
  
  Podesta that crank who came through NZ telling lies about his emails hacked by Russia in collusion with Trump campaign. Of course spreading lies by an acolyte of GAE went unchallenged and were promoted by the lickspittle NZ MSM.
  
  Chief GAE nutjob perfect for lead position in fake climate change scam organization.
  
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  February 2, 2024 8:45am
- All_on_Red
  
  Podesta was involved in the Hilary Clinton scam to frame Trump with the fake Steele Dossier compiled with Russian disinformation.
  
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  February 2, 2024 8:45am
- MCōs
  
  Another article on the offending artwork
  https://www.newsweek.com/john-podesta-art-balenciaga-scandal-1763960
  
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  February 2, 2024 8:46am
- JackRabbit
  
  Matt that third link, with a hybrid human with a “Falling Skies” alien creature on its back cuddling a human baby, is where we are headed if people keep taking the mRNA which is modifying human DNA to make human hybrids.
  
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  February 2, 2024 12:56pm
artemisia

The Ministry of Social Development warned in its briefing document to the incoming ministers that working-age benefit numbers were forecast to rise from 351,700 in June last year to around 382,900 in January 2025.

While benefits and associated financial support obviously do cost New Zealand, at the moment seems only carrots and no sticks. Working age doesn’t mean able to work, but heading for 400k has to include plenty who can work.

Work for the dole is one option, with the additional benefit of fewer idle hands. Australia has (maybe had, not sure) a requirement to do 3 days voluntary work to continue to qualify. One of my family members unemployed time to time worked at a local council plant nursery. Another had admin experience and helped out at a couple of local charities.

Then there is the rubber room option – turn up 10 to 2 daily, bring your own lunch, apply for job vacancies or just be bored. And as found in similar UK initiatives some cancelled the benefit as they could not be at the cashie job.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/politics/ministry-of-social-development-rising-number-of-kiwis-on-benefit-and-further-increases-predicted/
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February 2, 2024 8:27am
Matt Long

Oh, look, the dirty dairy farmers have been at it again. Prosecutions, fines and abatement notices for everyone involved no doubt.
Ahhh, Council sewage, no worries then, keep at it guys, and look, if you swim at the right end of the beach the current will have carried all the floaters away.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350162198/sewage-closes-beaches-surfer-councillor-stays-cool
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February 2, 2024 8:33am
- I remember when
  
  The tyranny of the few, Matt.
  
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  February 2, 2024 8:35am
I remember when

Just two questions.
One, why do climate change advisers always look a little bit different.
Secondly, why are there never serious questions about their connections and neutrality.
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February 2, 2024 8:33am
Chuck Bird

Why are the NZ Greens stupider than the European Greens? They and our PM think that climate change can be solved without nuclear power. This is despite COP18 recommending tripling nuclear power generation.

Does anyone on this blog believe the Greens and our PM’s position on solar and wind?
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February 2, 2024 8:45am
- Observer of Life
  
  Chuck: You are confusing the Green Party of Aotearoa NZ as a true “Green” party. They are marxists in disguise. They should be renamed “The Watermelon Party”. Do they even have a green agenda/policies these days?
  
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  February 2, 2024 8:52am
- pdm
  
  Chuck – what worries me more about our Prime Minister is his willingness to `dump’ on his Ministers.
  
  This week alone he has done it to Mark Mitchell and Casey Costello.
  
  Is he a control freak?
  I am beginning to wonder.
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:03am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I have heard the term “Ardern with a blue tie.”
    
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    February 2, 2024 9:06am
  - nathie
    
    Actually Luxon (and Peters) have backed Casey Costello.
    
    They recognise a Liarbour Party dirty hit job when they see one!
    
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    February 2, 2024 9:11am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Pdm,
    He bends over backwards for the opposition , Shaw going to COP and adern wanting a job and a securidy dedail, but if one of his own dares to express an opinion , Pugh, Mitchell, Costello, they get hammered.
    
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    February 2, 2024 9:20am
    - Ghost
      
      And when James was the minister the national mp who had the portfolio went with James. It’s normal, but people want to make more of it than it is.
      
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      February 2, 2024 9:30am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Chuck,
  
  There won’t be an operational nuclear reactor in NZ within the next 40 years. SMR technology has yet to be proven in the first production reactor. NZ is hardly going to be an early adopter.
  
  For NZ any new electric power in the coming decades is going to be hydro, geothermal, wind and solar.
  
  In short, the PM is right.
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:05am
  - Grunter
    
    The PM doesn’t get to decide “what is right”. The market ultimately decides what is right (maths & science, supply & demand).
    
    Where central planners have “decided what is right” they have always failed miserably, causing economic harm (best case). Then ultimately things hit the brick wall of reality and the market corrects us back to where we should have gone.
    
    Case in point on ‘renewable/unreliable’ energy where central planners have created havoc;
    1. Germany
    2. UK
    3. California
    4. New York State
    
    All have failed, or are failing in front of our eyes. But hey – keep chirping the wind & solar BS, but it is obviously part of the scam that includes EVs etc.
    
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    February 2, 2024 9:16am
    - gravedodger
      
      Omitted Grunter, Australia, with Chris Bowen, hell bent on closing coal fired electricity, raising energy prices, they campaigned on as reducing household costs by 270 dollars a year, now celebrating a new coal fired steel works for Port Kembla.
      Impossible to create a believable story, just can’t make such up?
      
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      February 2, 2024 10:30am
    - JJ56
      
      The thing is that this is NZ not those other countries and our system is relatively unique in having significant levels of clean dispatchable generation in the form of hydro and geothermal, with growth potential in the latter.
      
      With existing technologies we can meet our foreseeable growth demand for clean electricity without things like offshore wind or nuclear.
      
      Just need to accept we might only be 95% pure, and forget these silly notions of 100% renewable electricity.
      
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      February 2, 2024 10:48am
    - Ian Boag
      
      NZ hydro dams were built by the Ministry of Works (or other contractors hired by the gummint) and run by the NZED. Too important to leave to “market forces”.
      
      We have to commend Roger Douglas and Max Bradford for the current vastly superior system …
      
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      February 2, 2024 3:30pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Wayne, if someone had told you in 1984, we would have mobile phones we could talk to and it would search the internet and give us an answer in seconds would you have believed them?
    
    With a change of government in Oz legislation will be changed to allow nuclear power generation. Billions of dollars are being invested in SMR by companies like GM and Rolls Royce. Do you think you know more than them?
    
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    February 2, 2024 9:41am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Go Rolls Royce!!
      
      (disclosure: I’m long LSE:RR)
      
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      February 2, 2024 11:13am
    - cmm
      
      ” if someone had told you in 1984, we would have mobile phones….”
      
      That’s a very weak non-argument.
      
      I could counter with “if someone had told you in 1908 that over 110 years later car engine efficiency would only double, would you believe them?”
      
      The Model T got about 15l per 100km. Modern cars around 7. Not much progress for over 100 years – most of it was a long time ago.
      
      Extrapolating like you have is a broken way to think of things because it makes the assumption that the leaps and bounds of one technology should be seen in another technology because of human ingenuity.
      
      The reason electronics has been able to improve by a factor of well over 10,000 in the last 40 years or so is that the constraints were not the laws of physics. However those laws of physics have become the constraints in the last 5 to 10 years which is why that rate of growth has slowed down significantly. Computer speeds have largely flattened out.
      
      In thermal engines (car engines, steam engines and nukes) it is a very different picture. These have been pretty much hard up against the laws of physics for the last 50 years and pretty much close to maximum possible efficiency for decades before that.
      
      The same is true of chemical processes like batteries and food production.
      
      If food efficiency had increased like electronics (over 10,000x) then you could eat one plate of food and you’d never have to eat again in your whole life. An area the size of the Canterbury plains could feed the whole world’s population many times over.
      
      That is why pretty much nobody is using a phone or computer that is over 10 years old, but we’re still using 40+ year old power stations.
      
      In the 1960s we all KNEW, with absolute certainty, that by 2000 we’d be using nuclear powered flying cars to visit the moon. Yet here we are 20+ years later and no flying car, let alone to the moon.
      
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      February 2, 2024 12:32pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Ice engines generally produce two thirds heat and one third power.
        But it seems that thermodynamics is a limiting factor in electronics also.
        Instead of trying to climb an ever increasingly steep hill we may be better off trying to find another source.
        Nuclear is great.
        We have learned to control it.
        Full steam ahead !!
        
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        February 2, 2024 1:08pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Yeah, I’m really gutted about the flying cars
        
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        February 2, 2024 7:31pm
  - Ghost
    
    The PM does get to decide. This conversation is one of the famous kiwiblog echo chamber ones that will go on and on and get nowhere. New Zealand won’t get nuclear power, New Zealand does not need nuclear power.
    
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    February 2, 2024 9:53am
  - cmm
    
    SMRs are still a pipe dream, but that does not mean larger reactors are not viable. Although they have been massively hyped, SMRs are a bad idea for large (national) scale generation.
    
    Why is that? Well SMRs are small. Up to around 70MW. You need around 50 of them to replace a large coal power station. Dealing with lots of small reactors is fiddly. It is much easier to work with a few larger reactors (1000MW+).
    
    In South Africa, with all its energy woes, it has been the Koeberg nukes near Cape Town that have been the most reliable, and cleanest, of the power stations over the last 40-odd years. Of course that clean visage does have a dirty little secret in the form of the waste stream which is generally not visible to the outside world.
    
    The main reasons Koeberg have been reliable are twofold:
    1) Nukes are generally reliable the world over, but so are thermal stations.
    2) In South Africa: Nukes are controlled by tighter regulation. This has forced them to maintain the nukes properly while coal stations have been neglected to an extent that can be considered official sabotage.
    
    Wind and solar do not really add to the generation capability because they need back up. In other words if you want 1000MW of dependable power you won’t get it from 1000MW of solar or wind. You will still need to build 1000MW of coal or other generation. This makes building solar or wind generation more expensive than any other.
    
    The only way solar and wind can really help in NZ is to take load off the hydro when the sun is shining, thus allowing the hydro levels to be kept higher for when they are needed. The solar and wind can extend the hydro – not add generation.
    
    One of the biggest failings in energy policy is failing to understand that different parts of the world have different energy needs and different resource profiles.
    
    In USA solar makes a lot of sense because a lot of energy goes into airconditioning in summer. When the sun is shining the aircon demands go up. Good match.
    
    In NZ our peak demand is around 7pm in winter. Exactly when the sun is shining least.
    
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    February 2, 2024 10:07am
    - KH
      
      Doh. You forgot the battery the solar folk have in their garage. Chops their 6 – 9 peak right down.
      
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      February 2, 2024 10:46am
    - wsk12345
      
      Also of relevance is that we have around 6 weeks of storage in our hydro lakes in NZ. Norway has 6 years worth – which gives them alot of options.
      
      So yes, wind/solar can help maintain lake levels but nowhere near enough that we won’t still need Huntly or it’s replacement.
      
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      February 2, 2024 11:12am
    - krazykiwi
      
      “Well SMRs are small. Up to around 70MW”
      
      The Rolls Royce SMR product is rated at 470MW, and the Hitachi product – recently selected by Estonia – is rated at 300Mw, however your point is still valid: SMRs are not suitable for replacement of large-scale thermal or hydro generation.
      
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      February 2, 2024 11:21am
      - cmm
        
        470MW is not really an SMR any more.
        It might be a reactor, but it is no longer really small.
        
        To be clear, I think there will be some uses for SMRs but I think the real win for what RR etc al are doing is that the ideas they are developing in the SMR space will end up going into large format reactors.
        
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        February 2, 2024 12:37pm
    - Jack5
      
      Don’t forget geothermal power.
      
      It’s supplying 20 per cent of NZ’s electricity, according to this site:
      
      https://www.gns.cri.nz/research-projects/new-zealands-geothermal-future/
      
      Then there are the billions of tonnes of lignite under Southland – enough to supply enough power for NZ for four or five centuries. But with a lot of co2.
      
      And heaps of usable gas within our large reserves of coal, and almost certainly heaps more untapped gas close inshore around the coast.
      
      In two or three centuries, whatever they call this country then will be sizzling with economic energy resources.
      
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      February 2, 2024 11:36am
      - alwyn.a
        
        At about 14.30 it was, as it always is, about 840 mw out of a total of 5400 mw. That is out of a possible 1060mw. Geothermal is a wonderful base load supply.
        What is amazing is that we have about 810 mw from wind. It is usually less than 200 mw.
        The numbers are available here
        https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/generation-fuel-type
        
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        February 2, 2024 3:34pm
  - I remember when
    
    Wayne:
    “NZ is hardly going to be an early adopter.”
    Now there is a sentence that should be used a lot more often.
    
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    February 2, 2024 10:29am
  - G152
    
    Where then is the Lower Hutt one?????
    
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    February 2, 2024 10:43am
  - JackRabbit
    
    SMR technology has yet to be proven in the first production reactor.
    
    I must have amnesia. Could you provide the link to the news article where the nuclear reactor that was installed in Canterbury University for many many years, went critical and blew up Christchurch?
    
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    February 2, 2024 12:40pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I agree Wayne. 40 years would be a minimum with the anti-nuclear wanker’s mindset in NZ.
    Wind and solar is a myth, with turbine blades and solar panels having to be replaced every 20 to 30 years.
    Geothermal? Well there is only so much you can drag out. Along with that same line of geothermal, a place in Alaska set up a great idea at Chena Hot Springs Spar and resort.
    They use the 73C degree water to generate power. All done with refrigerant. Refrigerant boils to gas, runs the turbine and then is condensed. I did notice a lot of 9kg gas bottles ready to be refilled in the lower 48.
    It works, they are self sufficient. Two large heat transfer containers that run 4 turbines.
    Turbine gears are about 60mm by 100 long, and travel at some crazy speed (19,000 RPM?)
    Can’t see geothermal working in NZ. Didn’t Rotorua ban steam bore a few decades back because too many meant pressure loss and no hot water?
    That leave hydro. Where? The Greens and the save the dickie birds will fuck that idea.
    
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    February 2, 2024 2:02pm
    - Grunter
      
      Steve – this geothermal technology seems to be starting to get some momentum overseas.
      
      https://www.eavor.com/technology/
      
      It basically works like a closed loop radiator. It’s probably very expensive capex to build, but then low operating costs.
      
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      February 2, 2024 2:33pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That’s interesting. Chena Hot Springs workings are similar – heat transfer.
        What was worrying is all of the 9kg refrigerant gas bottles (full and empty) That gas must go into the atmosphere.
        The radiator idea has been in my head for 40 years. Making it work was the hard bit.
        Is NZ geothermal suitable?
        
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        February 3, 2024 7:25am
    - alwyn.a
      
      I believe that Rotorua banned private household use as it was taking out so much hot water that the tourist attraction at Te Whakarewarewa had little geyser activity.
      Wairakei in Taupo has been running since 1958 of course and with a little reinjection doesn’t show much change during all that time.
      
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      February 2, 2024 3:47pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        In Rotorua I thing I remember a pump hooked up to that geyser, so they could time it.
        Not very natural.
        
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        February 3, 2024 7:27am
    - sirknz
      
      They have geothermal setup, up north in Ngawha.
      
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      February 2, 2024 4:38pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    WM: “There won’t be an operational nuclear reactor in NZ within the next 40 years. SMR technology has yet to be proven in the first production reactor.”
    
    Wow. You can predict the future 40 years ahead. Incredible stuff. And incredible confidence.
    
    How long have we had submarine/ship reactors for? Are they not small and modular?
    
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    February 2, 2024 6:44pm
- sht1971
  
  And just look at Auckland Hospital suspending surgeries as no power and failed generators. If we do not wake up to this green energy nonsense, we will all be dying in wards.
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:05am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  I wonder if any of them had a Catholic upbringing. Many religions do this, but it seems to be the RC that took furthest the reasoning that because doing the right thing is sometimes difficult, therefore doing something difficult must be the right thing to do; and therefore if you choose an easier way, achieving the same outcome but with less suffering, that doesn’t count as doing the right thing. It’s a pervasive philosophy, and so, so damaging.
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:07am
- kowtow
  
  Does anyone on this blog “believe in” man made global boiling .
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:16am
  - I remember when
    
    The Boy Scouts?
    
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    February 2, 2024 10:31am
- rouppe
  
  Was listening to HDPA Drive yesterday, DPF and someone else ere on the talkback.
  
  Question was asked about whether its time to review the nuclear free legislation.
  
  DPF (basically) said yes, but it will never happen because of a loud 5% minority.
  
  The woman screeched “no way” then stuttered about nuclear weapons (which have never been part of the conversation) and spluttered “maybe” about power.
  
  The hysteria about nuclear is ridiculous. Just finished watching “Chernobyl” on Neon, and the cause of that was 1. Poor (cheap) design of the reactor 2. Made worse by incompetence from managers trying to do a “test” 3. Coverup by socialists.
  
  All remaining reactors of the Chernobyl design were retrofitted to prevent a similar event.
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:21am
  - JackRabbit
    
    All technology fails at one stage or another.
    
    If you get hung up about risk, instead of mitigating said risks, we are headed back to the stone age.
    
    Do people stop flying en mass because planes go missing or crash? No.
    
    The direct deaths from Chernobyl were 31, with an expected further 4000 that may die from long term exposure.
    
    That is a drop in the bucket to just NZ’s vaccine death stats, both short term and long term.
    
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    February 2, 2024 12:47pm
  - cmm
    
    The nuclear weapon argument is as stupid as saying that cars shouldn’t be made out of steel because guns are made out of steel.
    
    A correctly operating nuclear reactor releases less radiation than a coal or other thermal station. Nukes are clean and generally good neighbours.
    
    I lived for many years in Cape Town – 30 km away from the 2GW Koeberg power station. I even helped doing some research diving at the power station itself. The power station is much less invasive on its surroundings than the far smaller Huntly power station is.
    
    But the bugger with nukes is that everything they touch turns into at least low level waste which makes for an annoying waste stream to deal with. When you finally do get rid of the thing it takes many decades to deconstruct and dispose of carefully – while thermal power stations are just treated as scrap metal.
    
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    February 2, 2024 12:57pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Chernobyl was also Political. Had to be finished and demonstrated that it was working. I don’t know who was involved, but there was a lot of Electioneering and backstabbing going on.
    Google is your daddy.
    
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    February 2, 2024 2:18pm
- Grunter
  
  https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar3/wg1/
  
  Lost in the details of this recent United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report is this important conclusion:
  
  “In climate research and modelling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”
  
  The complexity of the climate system leads to an important conclusion: acknowledge the restricted knowledge about man-made climate change.
  
  So even the clowns at the UN acknowledge that ‘the science isn’t settled’. I don’t think we’ll read/hear/watch that headline in MSM!
  
  Add on top of that the complexities and errors of economic modeling of the central planner’s response to the supposed Global Boiling and what do you get?
  
  ANSWER: A multi-Trillion $ Train Smash!
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:33am
  - Burtland
    
    nice find …
    
    so theyre not confident in the long term predictions from their deterministic model so theyre now shifting to a statistical ensemble models pg78
    
    so they will now construct economic regional models based on statistical models based on deterministic models – good luck with that
    
    theres clearly still a lot more money to be milked from the Climate Cash Cow
    
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    February 2, 2024 12:16pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    AR3 is over 20 years old so isn’t recent.
    Try AR6 from 2021
    This is the Working Group 1 (WG1) Report which is on the Physical Science and done by Scientists- not like the rest of the Reports, I’m looking at you SPM.
    https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/
    
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    February 2, 2024 12:43pm
    - Grunter
      
      Damm, wrong link sorry!
      
      I’ll find the right one. There is a 2023 report on AR6….
      
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      February 2, 2024 2:47pm
Matt Long

So the leader of UNRWA during Clark’s tenure in charge had to resign due to nepotism, corruption and sexual indiscretions, (The Red Cross saw him as the ideal leader so he’s there now) and the UN says other aid agencies can take up the slack, so what’s Clark bleating about, is it pure self justification of her failures in overseeing a terrorist infiltrated organisation?
https://x.com/IsraelInstNZ/status/1752894508793020649?s=20
https://x.com/HillelNeuer/status/1753091508398387453?s=20
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February 2, 2024 8:47am
- Matt Long
  
  Ok Che, I get it Jewish sources so obviously false, can’t trust those Jews, can we?
  
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  February 2, 2024 8:48am
  - Che Guava
    
    It’s not that you “can’t trust those Jews per se” it’s that it is always a good policy to be sceptical whenever any side in a conflict is making claims that obviously benefit themselves, especially when (I am yet to see otherwise) they are the sole source of those claims.
    
    When the Mossad’s former motto is “By way of deception, thou shalt do war” by their own words they invite scepticism. There seems to be a naive idea floating around these circles that Jews could never and would never lie: why anyone would think this is beyond me because, all humans are prone to lying, while the morality of Judaism allows lying to Gentiles.
    
    I doubt you’d take the Palestinians’ word on a claim they made against Israel where they were the sole source, so why is the principle set aside when the side you favour does exactly the same? It’s simply because you are biased and don’t require any evidence to accept claims made by Israel.
    
    Every article I’ve seen on this UNRWA matter without exception relies on “Israeli intelligence reports” as the primary and only source, but clearly they have a conflict of interest so being sceptical is the reasonable position.
    
    I know asking Jews for independent corroboration and disinterested evidence for their claims is anti-semitic, but so be it.
    
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    February 2, 2024 9:14am
    - gravedodger
      
      Of course Che asking Hamas would invite emphatic denial and they never lie.
      
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      February 2, 2024 10:36am
      - Che Guava
        
        And that’s the point, and it applies to all sides.
        
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        February 2, 2024 12:05pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Some sources are better than others.
        Some people looking at sources can put their confirmation bias to one side and make an objective interpretation as to which sources are better.
        Some obviously cant do that…
        
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        February 2, 2024 12:48pm
      - Che Guava
        
        “Some people looking at sources can put their confirmation bias to one side and make an objective interpretation as to which sources are better.
        Some obviously cant do that…”
        
        If I have a bias, it’s a bias towards what is true, regardless of how much the truth causes distress to some people who find succor in falsehoods.
        
        You’re excellent at projection though, I’ll give you that. Everyone’s biased except the people who share your opinion and confirm your prejudices, right?
        
        You’re an embodiment of the principle that being a shameless and incorrigible Zionist shill (and likely not even Jewish, which makes it even more inexplicable) completely oblivious to (or more likely, dishonest about) your own clear bias can only get you so far in a debate on the internet before the weight of reality becomes insuperable and the cheap and hollow insults and snark come into play.
        
        Your Kabbalistic attempts to conjure out of thin air your preferred reality, based on nothing but the insistent and repetitive incantation of pro-Zionist propaganda slogans and bromides, has no effect on someone like me, who knows the truth and is prepared to express it.
        
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        February 2, 2024 3:22pm
    - Jack5
      
      Che, whatever you think of the Mossad, it’s a superb intelligence agency, and it’s more than that.
      
      Mossad’s a surreptitious diplomatic corps, conducting behind-scenes deals with and between Arab nations around the Gulf.
      
      It stands between a nuclear-armed Iran and both Israel and Sunni countries of the Middle East.
      
      Then, of course it’s the hit squad par excellence. You wouldn’t want to be on its bad-bugger list.
      
      Assassinations Mossad’s orchestrated in Iran, and against the Munich Olympics killers, make the James Bond novels look like nursery stories.
      
      So credit, where credit’s due.
      
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      February 2, 2024 12:28pm
      - Che Guava
        
        I agree Mossad are very good at what they do: despite being from a nation of only about 9 million people, they are one of the top 2 or 3 intel agencies in the world, able to conduct sex blackmail schemes involving the world’s elite, perpetrate false flag terror attacks that benefit Israel, and perform other underhanded acts of deception and information warfare practically anywhere in the world.
        
        But this facility for and expertise at deception and misdirection is hardly an argument that the Israelis don’t lie constantly to achieve political ends – quite the opposite, in fact. It only supports the argument that Israel has relied heavily on atrocity propaganda since Oct 7 and since the nation’s inception.
        
        Isn’t it a very strange anomaly, though, that one of the world’s top intel agencies, in one of the most fortified and surveilled areas on the planet, failed miserably to detect the immanent (and one presumed long-planned) attack by a few rag tag and unsophisticated irregulars on Oct 7th?
        
        “By way of deception, thou shalt do war.”
        
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        February 2, 2024 12:53pm
      - Jack5
        
        Che Guava on Mossad: “…. acts of deception and information warfare …”
        
        Not just spy agencies.
        
        Henry Wotton, English politician and ambassador famously said of a mission overseas in 1604:
        
        “An ambassador is an honest gentleman sent to lie abroad for the good of his country.”
        
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        February 2, 2024 1:36pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Che
        
        “Isn’t it a very strange anomaly, though, that one of the world’s top intel agencies, in one of the most fortified and surveilled areas on the planet, failed miserably to detect the immanent (and one presumed long-planned) attack by a few rag tag and unsophisticated irregulars on Oct 7th?”
        
        Yes, a wee bit odd considering that the USA is the most spied upon country in the world and the most prolific spy is Israel , yet they don’t know what is happening 100m from their border.
        And then after 8 hours since the attack, led by UN employees, they put up helicopter gunships to finish the job.
        
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        February 2, 2024 1:38pm
      - Jack5
        
        Re poster imalwaysright at 1.38 posting: …And then after 8 hours since the attack, led by UN employees, they put up helicopter gunships to finish the job…
        
        Is this (see link below) what you’re talking about, IAR? Israeli helicopters in action on the day of the Hamas attack on Israel?
        
        What do you mean, IAR, by saying they were there to “finish the job”?
        
        Jeez, are you suggesting the Hamas attack was a set-up staged by Israel?????? 😲
        
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-publishes-footage-of-helicopter-gunships-hitting-hamas-terrorists/
        
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        February 2, 2024 2:08pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        One reason for Mossad’s blindness is that the USA has been supplying technology and training for years not to the Lebanese military and spy agencies – who then used them to take out Israel spies in Hezbollah:
        
        But this Bush idea has continued through the Obama, Trump and Biden administrations, to the point where by 2020, the US was spending $242 million annually in Lebanon, up from $213 million in Obama’s last year in office
        …
        And in the case of the Lebanon delusion it got worse during the Biden years. When Lebanon hit financial problems in 2022 that meant it couldn’t pay its soldiers the good old USA stepped in again via the Biden Administration who forked over $67 million in Foreign Military Financing to pay for salaries in the LAF and ISF and then another $72 million in 2023.
        
        We’re led by Super Brains.
        
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        February 2, 2024 2:16pm
      - Che Guava
        
        imalwaysright
        
        Friends spy on friends, don’t they? Notably, Jonathan Pollard was jailed for spying on America and was then welcomed home on the tarmac in Israel by Netanyahu. America’s greatest ally though.
        
        Then there’s the luck factor. Events always falling into just the right place in order to gain the maximum political benefit from any given set of circumstances must be the most Jewish characteristic there is.
        
        “Luck of the Irish” the saying goes. They ain’t got nothing on the Hebrews. But is luck really a phenomenon? You make your own luck, don’t you?
        
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        February 2, 2024 3:29pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Jack
        
        Yes.
        The initial attack was led by the UN employees . Apology for the ambiguity .
        
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        February 2, 2024 3:44pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Jack5
        “Jeez, are you suggesting the Hamas attack was a set-up staged by Israel”
        
        False flags are a well-established phenomenon (e.g. the sinking of the USS Maine, the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the Lavon Affair, probably 9/11, and countless others we probably never suspect), so your personal incredulity is not an argument against the reality of false flag attacks.
        
        But just like doing acts oneself and misattributing them, knowing in advance and letting something happen from which to benefit is as old a tactic as any.
        
        What better pretext to invade Gaza, kill thousands of Gazans and/or force them to flee, and bomb the area flat so that they can never practically return and you can absorb the territory than a “surprise attack” by Hamas? Then there’s the flow-on secondary pretexts of provoking engagement with long-term rivals in the area (e.g. Lebanon or Iran).
        
        While “cui bono” is not an infallible principle, who benefits and who loses is always a good criterion for assigning reasons for actions (or for inactions, as the case may be).
        
        On balance, who has benefitted more since 7th October, Israel or Hamas?
        
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        February 2, 2024 3:56pm
      - marcw
        
        @che 3.56pm
        You really are one sick individual. Your post is vomit inducing. Get help.
        
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        February 2, 2024 4:27pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Aaaand, he’s going off again. 🙄😬😵‍💫
      
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      February 2, 2024 7:32pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      Never ask a barber if you need a haircut.
      
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      February 2, 2024 10:35pm
- cmm
  
  You can only call this a failure if you know her motives.
  Perhaps it was a resounding success.
  
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  February 2, 2024 8:57am
- Tom Hunter
  
  The fight about the UNRWA people who joined in the October 7 massacre of Jews has simply bought to light what quite a few people have known for years about UNRWA but who were ignored by TPTB.
  
  Anybody who’d ever seen interviews over the years with the Gazan children at those UNRWA schools would have, at a minimum, wondered how the UNRWA could allow such things to be taught. Check out just one example:
  
  https://twitter.com/anneethekee/status/1711609685952885198
  
  I have to admit that even I assumed that UNRWA was perhaps innocent: that all they did was supply money to the schools and that it was Hamas fanatics doing the teaching. But it’s now obvious that they were one and the same people.
  
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  February 2, 2024 2:04pm
Maggie Pie

Remember yesterday I posted the tweet about the horrific acid attack on women and children that had just happened in Clapham?

At that stage the perp was still on the run….. and speculation was rife as to what his ‘religion’ might be. No surprises then 🙁

https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1753118833533964646
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February 2, 2024 8:49am
- Chuck Bird
  
  The scumbag was given asylim on his third try.
  
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  February 2, 2024 8:55am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And the other thing Chuck, he was also a convicted sex offender!
    
    How lucky are WE to now have Erica as our Immigration Minister.
    
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    February 2, 2024 9:04am
    - cmm
      
      Erica hasn’t really had the time to prove herself yet.
      
      Hopefully she’s not a soggy sook like her boss.
      
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      February 2, 2024 9:18am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        With what I hear from someone who knows her (an old school friend on the Shore) she’s not to be messed with. A tuff little cookie who doesn’t take sh*t from anyone. Murray McCully was her mentor, which says a lot.
        
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        February 2, 2024 9:28am
      - Bobba Fret
        
        I think Erica is pretty tough. In my opinion, a potential future leader or deputy leader of the National party.
        In any case, surely anyone will be better than Labour’s Lees-Galloway who used to approve drug runners.
        
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        February 2, 2024 11:51am
      - cmm
        
        Maggie, I hope you’re right. Maybe she can also give Luxo an earful too.
        
        If she is as good as you say, then maybe she can take over as PM in a couple of years once she has proven herself.
        
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        February 2, 2024 1:24pm
  - Jethrod
    
    With this action he should end up in true asylum.
    
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    February 2, 2024 9:05am
- bartybart
  
  diversity is our strength
  
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  February 2, 2024 8:58am
- cmm
  
  Isn’t this one of the neo-traditional ways to attack women being immodest in public?
  Don’t wear your bhurka and they throw acid or boiling oil on you to disfigure you for life.
  Not sure what they’d make of the girls at the tennis club.
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:03am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    See my reply above to Chucky.
    Imagine if we still had Michael Wood or Andrew Little 🙁
    
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    February 2, 2024 9:09am
  - kowtow
    
    I recall reading many years ago that this was particularly prevalent in Bangladesh for some peculiar reason.
    
    It’s very encouraging though that the west is being enriched by importing such diverse cultural practises.
    
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    February 2, 2024 9:19am
  - MCōs
    
    It’s not a particularly new idea
    This guy attacked some people with acid sixty years ago.
    https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/motel-manager-pouring-acid-water-black-people-swam-pool-1964/
    
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    February 2, 2024 9:20am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Always love seeing those old pics. Such a hoot!
      To be fair to the guy tho Cossie….they were trespassing.
      
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      February 2, 2024 9:36am
    - cmm
      
      No he didn’t attack people with acid. Complete bullshit.
      
      He poured some acid into the water where people were trespassing. That acid is so dilute that it would have had zero effect on those people beyond maybe stinging their eyes a bit.
      
      He just poured it in to frighten them and they were frightened by their ignorance. ie. it was NOT an attack and it could NOT have injured them.
      
      It would have been far more harmful to those people to spray them with vinegar (also an acid).
      
      No, the acid used for disfigurement purposes will likely be concentrated sulphuric, nitric or hydrochoric acid which are relatively easy to get at low prices. Those can literally destroy flesh in minutes, especially more sensitive areas – like eyes.
      
      You are correct though that it is not a new idea. Been going on for at least 150 years.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_attack#History
      
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      February 2, 2024 1:39pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      “Vitriol throwing” has a much longer and awful history than that.
      It was mentioned in a Sherlock Holmes story “The Adventure of the Illustrious Client”. that was fiction and 1924 but it seems that the advent of industrial chemicals gave people a very vicious weapon.
      It’s usually used in the context of a failed love affair and not always used by men against women.
      Plenty of cases that went the other way.
      
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      February 2, 2024 11:06pm
KH

It’s paywalled but Chris Trotter says in the ODT that Labour will never recover unless it ditches it’s alliance with the looney anti democracy policies of the Greens and TPM.
They might never ditch those and are consigned to history.
But I am thinking that if they did – they would be a block with the Nats, ACT and NZF that believes the special people are not special.
(not saying that would be a coalition)
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February 2, 2024 8:49am
- Skippytony
  
  Chris is expecting the greens to do a hard left pivot now that “handbrake Shaw” has been sidelined.
  
  Five minutes looking at TPM’s openly declared strategies should be enough to convince that aligning with them is electoral suicide.
  
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  February 2, 2024 10:32am
- PurplePen
  
  Get free PressReader access from your library. The ODT and NZHerald and any number of international papers such as Washington Post are then all freely available. One very useful benefit from the rates you pay.
  
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  February 2, 2024 11:16am
BeaB

Mike Hosking’s interview with Casey Costello this morning, free of Guyon Espiner’s doom-burdened voice, is illuminating. I don’t know her but she sounds truthful and genuine. Hosking is a master of scenting duplicity and fudging and found none.
Ayesha Verrall and Labour need to stop playing their nasty political games and start planning how they are going to answer the dire information in briefings to the new government. It’s hardly an exaggeration to say that Labour managed to make a hash of everything. Aided and abetted by RNZ and other media who also appallingly failed the public of NZ.
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February 2, 2024 8:50am
- imalwaysright
  
  Bea
  
  “Guyon Espiner’s doom-burdened voice..”
  
  Brilliant
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:52am
- I remember when
  
  BeaB:
  Ayesha Verrall and Labour both sound too shrill in their condemnation.
  Results in their attacks losing the audience.
  
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  February 2, 2024 10:44am
- Piniwi
  
  Right BeaB this is just an attempted hit job on a brand new MP/Minister who Labour see as an easy target and the Media Party arm of Labour are feasting on it. Now 1Ewes has had Verall on there calling for the Associate Minister of Health to be sacked. The ultimate result might be the first layer of egg for those Labour faces and that is already in flight. Tough for Verall as it has the potential to have her being even worse in opposition than in the role Minister of Health and also an easy fall guy (lol) for Labour when this goes tits up.
  
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  February 2, 2024 11:20am
  - Ghost
    
    She is the associate minister. She should have been honest when asked the questions. It’s inexperience, but it’s come from her not being honest when asked.
    
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    February 2, 2024 11:29am
    - BeaB
      
      How do you know she was not being honest?
      
      How does everyone except our news media and RNZ know that she actually increased the excise tax in December, taking effect this year?
      
      Or do they know and choose not to tell us because it doesn’t fill their narrative and that of Labour?
      
      More dismissinformation.
      
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      February 2, 2024 1:54pm
      - Ghost
        
        Stop pretending this is disinformation. The associate minister stuffed up, she wasn’t upfront and honest, and your excusing her is pathetic. People need to hold the left and right to account for their actions, not just the side you don’t support.
        
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        February 2, 2024 2:11pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I know she cannot help it, but Ayesha Verrall has a terrible voice. I find it very irritating.
  
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  February 2, 2024 11:55am
  - BeaB
    
    Too many smokes?
    
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    February 2, 2024 1:55pm
Swifty

Here you go KB’ers – an event just for you!

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Do plants and animals talk to you?
Can you travel in and out of time?
Can you understand other languages without ever having learned them?
Speak in words of prophesy?
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Then this is the course for you:

https://www.facebook.com/share/h3wdVTeswRbMfdDE/?mibextid=KsPBc6

Step right up and for a mere $1,400 (plus gst) your gifts can be developed by a real life tohunga.

Don’t miss out, book now!
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February 2, 2024 9:02am
- imalwaysright
  
  Swifty
  
  I can do all of those things after half a bottle of Jamesons.
  
  $30
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:56am
- Piniwi
  
  Suspect is one was to do a bit of digging there a chunk of taxpayer funding going this (cultural) program. That native gravy train has so many carriages that need sending to Taumarunui obsolete rolling stock as the cash flow is stemmed.
  
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  February 2, 2024 11:27am
- Ghost
  
  Just as a side note some diseases can smell. For example dogs smelling cancer.
  
  But this is more energy healing, there are some interesting people in that field. Dr Eric Pearl.
  
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  February 2, 2024 11:39am
  - MCōs
    
    Interesting you say that re cancer
    Last year, around this time, I gave off an odor that only I noticed. Either that or everyone else, including doctors were too polite.
    It transpired I had cancer and once the chemo started the smell disappeared along with a plethora of other symptoms except about 10kg, which suits me just fine!
    
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    February 2, 2024 5:32pm
    - Ghost
      
      How are you doing now?
      
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      February 2, 2024 5:49pm
      - MCōs
        
        I had a clear scan a couple of weeks ago, but you never know!
        Funnily enough I’ve never been too stressed about it as I have with friends and family who’ve had health problems
        
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        February 2, 2024 6:09pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      I’ve had firsthand reports from nurses about noticing a particular smell when certain patients are in the last stages of a terminal illness.
      In many ways it would be unusual if it WASN’T the case. Breakdown of normal organ function would produce different waste products.
      Like most things, it’s a case of All, Some, or None. That some people could smell some diseases doesn’t mean that no people can smell any disease.
      
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      February 2, 2024 11:14pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “Can you smell diseases?
  Do plants and animals talk to you?
  Can you travel in and out of time?
  Can you understand other languages without ever having learned them?
  Speak in words of prophesy?
  See the future of people or places?”
  
  I’d say most people who think they can do these things would be Green voters.
  
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  February 2, 2024 6:57pm
nathie

Funny how the MSM and the Left go on about gendered attacks on women MP’s and the resulting mental health issues.

But here we have a typical/hypocritical leftie Labour/public servant/RNZ/TVNZ/Newshub hit job on Casey Costello implying she wanted to scrap the tobacco excise tax and that she must be in the pockets of big tobacco.

However as Ms Costello said to Hosking this morning, she was seeking a wide range of views (including preventing “big tobacco” at one extreme), confirmed she wasn’t the author of the talking points (staffers were by collating various NZF policies) and that she had no association with “big tobacco”.

So how despicable of Labour and their sympathetic MSM lapdogs. Is it time for heads to roll at the state broadcasters (Boards or management or journos etc)?

From reading the UK media if this had happened at the state funded BBC heads would roll, apologies issued and practices tightened up to prevent further instances of biased reporting.

Meanwhile in “Aotearoa” the leftist political/media “corruption” continues without any consequences …

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/associate-health-minister-casey-costello-fronts-up-over-tobacco-excise-tax-claims/2A7LJ5PCUBFOJFZOCZXA26JK5I/
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February 2, 2024 9:06am
- Grunter
  
  I’m just waiting for Willie to declare that Casey
  
  “Isn’t a real woman of colour” to the nods from everyone in Labour/Greens/The Maori Separatists Party
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:41am
  - G152
    
    You mean Willie the percent pakeha?
    
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    February 2, 2024 10:48am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’m struggling to get these words out, but I tend to agree with both Grant Robertson and Ayesha Verrall on this one.
  
  It is incomprehensible that Casey Costello doesn’t know where the tobacco tax freeze briefing paper in question came from, while a Minister of Health should not care that the tobacco industry is on its knees.
  
  It’s a shame, as the proposal represents new thinking and is worth considering on its merits.
  
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  February 2, 2024 9:58am
  - nathie
    
    NMTB – check out the audio if you have time, she explains it, Hosking has a couple of attempts holding her statement to account but appears to accept it.
    
    I seem to recall Verrall being caught out being “misleading” with her answers on several occasions – she of all people has zero credibility … well maybe slightly above zero when compared to the Robber-tson in Chief!
    
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    February 2, 2024 12:39pm
- PurplePen
  
  That would be Nu Tirani, not Aotearoa. Nu Tirani is what the country is called in the ToW and in the 1835 Declaration of Independence off the United Tribes of NZ.
  
  I’m on a mission to confuse the woke intelligentsia with this.
  
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  February 2, 2024 11:20am
sht1971

Perhaps the Māori King will call a hui to help…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/do-the-right-thing-by-baby-ru-police-appeal-for-more-information-in-toddler-homicide/GOTXHIO6K5FTTABCFFL2VRY7U4/
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February 2, 2024 9:15am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  The families are not capable of doing the right thing.
  The right thing is to set time limits on benefits, and then cancel them if not in education or employment or volunteer work.
  Multi-generational welfare, idleness, race-politics and excuse making, cuddling crims and exalting Maori has created a large population of feral oxygen thieves.
  Offering $50,000 to long term beneficiaries to be sterilised would be a huge long term saving for NZ and reduce overall misery.
  But nah, let’s keep Being Kind.
  
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  February 2, 2024 3:00pm
Yvette

Luxon and Seymour on the Treaty of Waitangi | nzherald.co.nz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNLmWHiWAVE

Having just seen this 2 minutes 24 second clip on YouTube, I think the Government should buy if off the Herald, and pay for a few 2:30 spots on their State television and use the last 6 seconds for an end tag which says –

AKIN to a partnership, ‘like’ a partnership
THE TREATY – IT IS WHAT IT WAS

They would only need to do it a couple of times, to reap the media coverage – perhaps
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February 2, 2024 9:34am
imalwaysright

New Zealand schools are where we employ people from the bottom 25% of university graduates in the hope that they can teach our children to be the top 25% of graduates.
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February 2, 2024 9:34am
- greybeard
  
  The best comments on this blog are always the short ones, and this is one of them.
  
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  February 2, 2024 10:34am
- wsk12345
  
  So true- those who can, do, and those who can’t, teach.
  
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  February 2, 2024 11:29am
- R
  
  BUT, the bottom 25% want to ensure that there is no future top 25%; this will eventually make the bottom 25% look bright. Particularly as they will have become school principals and public Service managers by then.
  
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  February 2, 2024 11:34am
- krazykiwi
  
  True, but our assumption is that teaching is designed to create academics, therefore academics must do the teaching. That assumption is wrong. Very wrong.
  
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  February 2, 2024 12:27pm
Chuck Bird

Seymour responded brilliantly.

Question 1 – Hon Carmel Sepuloni to the Prime Minister

Does he stand by all of his government’s statements and actions?

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20240201_20240201_16/tab/video?page=4&mode=form
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February 2, 2024 9:46am
- krazykiwi
  
  He did. But the opposition were gunning for Bishop given his previous advocacy for the tobacco industry, a bit of a exposed flank for the government.
  
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  February 2, 2024 11:31am
  - rouppe
    
    Jacinda Ardern worked for Tony Blair, he who invaded another country. Surely then that must mean Jacinda is/was in favour of invading other countries..
    
    Run that line back at them
    
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    February 2, 2024 11:55am
  - Taieri
    
    given his previous advocacy for the tobacco industry
    ———
    
    Tobacco is still a legal product.
    
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    February 2, 2024 12:15pm
Swifty

I see Russell Norman hasn’t changed his modus operandi as head of Greenpeace – he’s still peddling lies and deceit.

Yesterday on RNZ he labelled our current government as “very, very far right” – his exact words.

What, you mean just like Hitler, Russell? Just like Mussolini? You mean they’ve got their panzer divisions marshalled and ready to invade our neighbours in order to dominate the world by force?

What a loathesome slur, for more indicative of him than National.

Oh, and did the interviewer stop him and challenge his baseless assertion?

Not on your nellie. He left it completely unremarked upon.

(I’d link to it but RNZ’s search function is crap and I can’t be bothered wasting my time trying to track it down.)
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February 2, 2024 9:51am
- kevn
  
  Swifty… wussel is just sh*tting on NZ.
  
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  February 2, 2024 11:29am
NeverMindTheBollocks

The lunatic Greens will blame climate change.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2024/02/earth-s-moon-is-shrinking-here-s-what-scientists-say-that-could-mean.html
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February 2, 2024 9:59am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Ex RNZ, a survey for the Infrastructure Commission suggests support for charging for water usage is similar to usage charging for electricity. The conclusion glossed over the key fact that (copious quantities of free) water falls from the sky while electricity needs to be generated, ie the cost of water is entirely bound up in the infrastructure.

My view is that users benefit equally from water infrastructure and therefore fixed charges are appropriate for water supply.

My conclusion is that the Infrastructure Commission is shilling for work on behalf of its members.
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February 2, 2024 9:59am
- MCōs
  
  The water that falls from the sky has to be collected, stored & treated before it is reticulated by way of a network of pipes to the end users.
  Similarly the water that falls from the sky fills up lakes and propels turbines that generates electricity that is reticulated by way of a network of cables to the end users.
  In both cases you’re free to make your own arrangements
  
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  February 2, 2024 1:00pm
  - gravedodger
    
    “has to be collected, stored & treated”
    
    This treatment MCos, exactly what is involved there, adding fluoride?
    For much of my eighty years on rain water, “untreated” beyond ensuring storage maintenance is attended to, what is your recommended “Treatment”.
    
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    February 2, 2024 2:50pm
I remember when

Last week I had the experience of driving on Waka Kotahi’s attempt at a zero emissions/deaths road.
I marvelled at the magnificent roundabouts, the raised traffic islands, 70 kph speed limit and the safety fence stretching for kilometres.
Of course, it isn’t totally finished yet.
I am certained they will eventually manage to remove the 70 kph passing lane approaching the Masterton end.
Having installed the above features, they then have to paint a lane down the middle so that you know where to drive.
My experience was enhanced by a water truck, spraying the road because of the heat, followed by two illuminated sign trucks, so that most of Masterton to Clareville was travelled at less than 30 kph.
A monument to ‘overkill’, expense no problem (or the time taken to complete).
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February 2, 2024 10:04am
- Scott
  
  I remember when – yes the road between Masterton and Carterton used to be able to be driven at 100 km/h. Now it’s at 80 km/h. It’s taken probably two years of roadworks at 30 km/h. But as you rightly point out, the road is not finished yet and can only be travelled at 70 km/h at best.
  
  One can only hope that the new New Zealand transport agency pulls its finger out and makes better roads and restores speed limits to 100 km/h in the very near future. That the road was slow was seemingly part of the old government’s plan to reduce car travel?
  
  The former MP for the Wairarapa has now lost his electorate and rightly so. The complete failure to provide decent roads and the lowering of the speed limit to 80 km/h all the way from Masterton to Featherston. The former member of Parliament for the Wairarapa should lose his seat based on that alone.
  
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  February 2, 2024 10:31am
imalwaysright

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/te-papa-invites-kiwis-to-share-views-on-te-tiriti-o-waitangi-exhibition-after-protest-damage/KMAN6BYOQFDB5BDNPCBWKVUTKA/

This looks like “Te Papa” was part of the plan.
Why would they keep a defaced exhibit on display?
Is it because it sends a political message that they happen to agree with?

Great timing too when you think about it.

In the article “Te Papa” is quoted and is referred to as “it” and ” they”.
(Kudos to the architect who designed a building that can give quotes).

We can only assume they mean Courtney Johnston. She runs the place so she is responsible .
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February 2, 2024 10:13am
- PurplePen
  
  Good .. I look forward to providing feedback.
  
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  February 2, 2024 12:11pm
Chuck Bird

This could end the world or close to it tomorrow. AGW might be a problem in 50 or a 100 years time.

“Nuclear War With Russia Could End The World Tomorrow” Colonel Reacts To Doomsday Clock WW3 Threat

In a world filled with various global crises, it is easy to overlook the looming threat of nuclear war. However, recent events have brought this danger to the forefront of discussions. The head of the Norwegian Armed Forces has warned that World War Three could be on the horizon, with Russia building up its military stockpile faster than anticipated. NATO countries may find themselves at war with Russia in just two to three years if the situation in Ukraine escalates further.

This alarming revelation is compounded by the fact that the doomsday clock, a symbolic representation of how close experts believe we are to a nuclear confrontation, has been adjusted to 90 seconds to midnight. This is the closest the clock has ever been to midnight, signifying an imminent threat of nuclear war. With Russia’s belief that they can use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine, the risk of a nuclear conflict becomes even more real.

The possibility of a nuclear war raises questions about the readiness and capabilities of NATO countries, particularly in comparison to Russia. While Russia leads the world in terms of its nuclear arsenal, the combined strength of NATO countries, along with the support of the United States, could potentially pose a significant challenge to Russia. However, the use of nuclear weapons, even on a smaller scale, would have catastrophic consequences for the world as a whole.

Amidst these alarming developments, it is crucial for world leaders to prioritize the security of their countries and take immediate action to reduce the threat of nuclear war. The British military, for instance, faces a significant challenge in terms of its size and readiness. The Chief of the General Staff has acknowledged that the British military is currently too small to effectively deter any potential threats. It is imperative that the UK government, as well as other European NATO countries, reassess and strengthen their militaries to ensure they are adequately prepared for any confrontation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfVfM_dc5IQ
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February 2, 2024 10:15am
- Matt Long
  
  I’m sure the UK army is well along with its DEI implementation and will be fully engaged with war in the context of climate change.
  Really what else could a nation need?
  
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  February 2, 2024 10:52am
  - kowtow
    
    wot’s the money the aircraft carrier they’re talking of sending to the Red Sea will break down .
    
    Nelson would be turning in his rum barrel.
    
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    February 2, 2024 12:55pm
- rouppe
  
  They were also saying we could have a massive earthquake at the Hikurangi trench wiping out the whole east coast.
  
  Could, might… Useless words from people that don’t matter
  
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  February 2, 2024 12:10pm
Maggie Pie

Thumbing thru an old edition of Metro while waiting at the ear clinic yesterday and came across this story about Golly…..pears she’s always had a penchant for boutique frock shops 😀

https://www.metromag.co.nz/city-life/city-life-fashion/my-life-in-clothes-green-party-candidate-golriz-ghahraman
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February 2, 2024 10:32am
- Souvlaki
  
  I wonder if, using high quality ‘A I ‘, whether feeding her visage into a highly specced computer, could scan years of recorded shop footage( if any remains on hard drive) in a short while to see if there are instances of hitherto unrecognised prior offending ?
  A worthy research project for a post grad criminology student ? …perhaps a state funded research grant can be accessed for this 😉 ?
  
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  February 2, 2024 10:44am
  - Matt Long
    
    Any post grad students wanting to do a research project on crimes committed by green party MPs?
    
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    February 2, 2024 10:54am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Too much material?
      
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      February 2, 2024 7:55pm
Inandout

At first I thought the Maori hikoi up to Waitangi was for this poor little tot.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/do-the-right-thing-by-baby-ru-police-appeal-for-more-information-in-toddler-homicide/GOTXHIO6K5FTTABCFFL2VRY7U4/

Just a cone of silence.
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February 2, 2024 10:46am
- imalwaysright
  
  In any other country the community would have dealt with it.
  
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  February 2, 2024 11:36am
Chuck Bird

Let this not happen here.

Britain’s ‘SERIOUS THREAT’ | ‘We’ve got to get real about the threat from radical Islamism’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjnUdIForB8
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February 2, 2024 10:49am
imalwaysright

I heard on the news that MBIE have informed Judith Collins that they don’t have enough staff to issue licences to new Space launch companies and the cost is more than its worth.

That can’t be true.

Did they say that out loud!?
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February 2, 2024 11:11am
imalwaysright

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/gravely-concerning-ashley-bloomfield-scam-prompts-auckland-university-to-call-in-lawyers/EHWZP7KFNFH75NMCTO2KLLOBVI/

Here’s the first paragraph :

“Auckland University is seeking legal advice after a bogus online “miracle-cure” scam used fake quotes from former Director-General of Health Sir Ashley Bloomfield to sell sham health products”

I thought it was an excerpt from the covid enquiry … Silly me.
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February 2, 2024 11:32am
Paul

The West is being systematically dismantled, Biden and the Chinese working together to weaken the US, Germany slowly slipping away, this must be a Communist takeover.
Yesterday China overtook Japan in vehicle exports, based on the heavily stae sponsored EV exports. Which are a con, produced by Coal and always will be.

What is Biden waiting for ?
Estimates are, Iran is 3 weeks away from weapons grade enrichment .
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February 2, 2024 11:43am
- MCōs
  
  Iran has been three weeks away from weapons grade enrichment for about twenty years now . . . . .
  
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  February 2, 2024 12:32pm
- cmm
  
  “Which are a con, produced by Coal and always will be.”
  
  That is always the case, especially for solar panels.
  
  “Green” products, particularly solar panels, need massive amounts of electricity to make. Where is that going to come from? It can’t come from the solar panels because:
  A) they are not yet made
  B) They are unreliable and can’t sustain energy intensive manufacturing.
  
  That means to make all these massive numbers of green products first means building a bunch of reliable and powerful coal stations, then running them 24/7!
  
  It’s all a magician’s trick – using misdirection and sleight of hand.
  
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  February 2, 2024 2:02pm
- cmm
  
  Achieving weapons grade enrichment is not an all or nothing point.
  
  Sure you achieve that level of enrichment, but so what? You maybe only have a teenie fraction of a gram of material.
  
  To actually make a bomb needs a few kg of material. That means a lot more than just “achieving weapons grade enrichment”. It also means industrializing the process which is challenging.
  
  Then enough to build a single bomb is not enough by itself. You need to do a bunch of testing and experimentation.
  
  To appreciate the scale of these operations it is instructive to look at Oak Ridge -where the USA WW2 Manhattan project enrichment happened.
  
  They had over 10,000 people involved. They built enormous factories and a whole town to support it. They built power stations to power it all. Enormous effort.
  
  That was just for the enrichment. There were other, facilities, just as large, for bomb making and testing.
  
  It was such an effort that they’d have done a lot better putting those resources into more aircraft factories and building more proximity fuse shells. The nuclear bomb programme damaged the USA war effort far more than it helped.
  
  Now granted, things have moved on since then. Enrichment does not require building a whole town. Still, it is a mammoth effort – more than you can do in the garden shed.
  
  https://www.osti.gov/opennet/manhattan-project-history/Places/OakRidge/oak-ridge.html
  
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  February 2, 2024 2:17pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    The march of technology has made 80 year old gas centrifugal uranium enrichment relatively easy these days, so long as no-one is trying to drop bombs on your facilities.
    
    The materials and controls used to be a challenge, but most of it is cheap off-the-shelf stuff these days, and the centrifuge tubes are pretty easy too with carbon-wrapped aluminum pressure vessels a well developed and easily transferable technology to high speed gas centrifuges.
    
    Even easier when you have workers whose health you don’t mind killing (like iran and kim jong un)
    
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    February 2, 2024 2:46pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Re. Wellington water woes – Master Plumbers boss Greg Wallace commented that many of the newly laid cycleways will have to be dug up to renew the water pipe network – The Post
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February 2, 2024 11:51am
- thirteenstars
  
  I guess they call that recycling.
  
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  February 2, 2024 12:03pm
- cmm
  
  Sometimes I think the councils deliberately create extra work and expenses.
  
  Close to here we have a busy intersection which has seen quite a bit of work in the last few years:
  * Dug up 5 years ago to make little traffic island things ( + repainting)
  * Dug up again about 4 years ago when fibre was put in the ground.
  * Dug up again about 2 years ago to add some more traffic lights.
  * Dug up a fortnight ago to resurface the road.
  
  They really need to add a right turning arrow to the traffic light. At least that shouldn’t need more digging.
  
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  February 2, 2024 1:55pm
Maggie Pie

@ 12:15pm In case you missed it…

Chloe Swarbrick has made a further announcement that she made an announcement
at 11am today.

– Authorised by Miriam Ross (GM of Green Party Aotearoa)
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February 2, 2024 12:22pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Such good news. Chloe and Marama won’t last long together before Chloe gives her the shove and in true socialist fashion, declares herself the sole leader as she covers off on both co-leader bases anyway.
  
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  February 2, 2024 3:03pm
  - Ghost
    
    They’ll be fine together. But the problem is, as Luxon said in the parliament the other day, the last true environmentalist is leaving the greens. I expect if the greens last at the next election it will be with a very small party.
    
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    February 2, 2024 3:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So when the racist one is booted off, who will be co-leader with Chloe?
    Oh, I missed “sole leader.”
    
    Long live the NZ Communist Party!
    
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    February 2, 2024 4:30pm
  - Albie
    
    Hugh, I don’t mean to be mean, well, maybe I do, but from some of the images I have seen of Chloe lately I reckon she could easily cover both gender roles.
    
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    February 2, 2024 5:19pm
Chris Nisbet

Sweet Jesus. Chloe reckons Greens could lead the government!!?
I dread to even think about how far we’d sunk if the people ever thought voting those lunatics into a government-leading position was a good thing.
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February 2, 2024 12:25pm
- cmm
  
  Now anyone would endorse her claims to mental illness.
  
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  February 2, 2024 1:42pm
- lifesgood
  
  Careful! There is a certain Green voter on here who will come along shortly to insult you for your politically motivated views //sarc
  
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  February 2, 2024 2:39pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Now, now, lifesgood. Don’t be churlish.
    
    I did not insult you; I simply let you know what I thought of your comment denigrating Swarbrick, which you made simply because you thought you could do so to universal acclaim on this blogsite. You need to learn to accept reasonable criticism.
    
    How on earth does calling you out (again) for your boorish behaviour equate to me being a Green voter? It doesn’t. You have no idea how I vote, and you never will, but you do know that I do not denigrate politicians simply because I do not support their party, the way you do.
    
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    February 2, 2024 5:12pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Ho hum…you do you. And perhaps make snide remarks about other posters comments about Chloe. You do realise, don’t you that 90 percent of the comments on this blog are politically motivated.
      
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      February 2, 2024 6:15pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        Oh, dear, you keep getting it wrong, don’t you?
        
        My response to you was not snide (def. derogatory or mocking in an indirect way); it was an accurate, clearly stated reaction to your quite unnecessary comment, made without having read the article, or seen the attached video, that both Maggy and I had. But your comment to me was snide.
        
        You clearly have not seen my response to Surely Knott at ‘Chloe stands’. Regardless, why should I have a crack at other commenters who have commented about Chloe. You chose to have a crack at me, and I responded. Suck it up.
        
        Do you not think if the police were investigating Swarbrick as a possible accessory during or after the fact, we would know about it by now? Of course we would. Her denial was genuine, not a “she would say that, wouldn’t she” response.
        
        You need to take more care in future.
        
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        February 2, 2024 7:33pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        But your comment to me was snide.
        
        That should read: “But your comment at 2:39PM, above, was snide.”
        
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        February 2, 2024 7:43pm
- Grunter
  
  Give Chloe a microphone at every opportunity – free speech! We need as many people as possible to hear the Leftard ideas that are swishing around her ‘dopey’ head!
  
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  February 2, 2024 3:19pm
- MCōs
  
  “Chloe reckons Greens could lead the government”
  
  Winston can’t run the show forever, I suppose
  
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  February 2, 2024 4:05pm
Swifty

The most malignant political force currently infecting New Zealand reveals itself – to those who choose to see:

https://tkr.ro/e/EWMNLsc6QPBy7cyi

Chloe Swarbrick openly wants to transform New Zealand – to a place where personal responsibility is absent, the person is a slave to the all-powerful state, where free enterprise will be further and further demonised before being extinguished, where free speech and free association will be constantly and consistently eroded, where racial discrimination will become rampant and ubiquitous and all until we reach the final destination – that of a bankrupt, socialist ethnostate denuded of talent and wealth and the object of scorn and ridicule around the world .
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February 2, 2024 12:31pm
- kowtow
  
  From coast to coast , we’re gunna be toast .
  
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  February 2, 2024 12:48pm
- nathie
  
  Breaking News!
  
  Chloe Swarbrick wants to become the new Clown to co-lead the Greens’ Circus!
  
  Gareth Hughes cries that’s not fair – I was well qualified!
  
  https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/detail/news-photo/greenpeace-protestor-gareth-hughes-dressed-like-ronald-news-photo/56091744
  
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  February 2, 2024 12:48pm
- NothingLeft
  
  A plan that if executed would inevitably lead to Venezuela, Cuba, or Zimbabwean type repressive authoritarian government and national impoverishment end state costing 100’s of thousands of lives through poverty and violence.
  
  Left wing revolutionaries (basically all sociopaths who want to be kings) have killed more than 100 million people and immiserated billions in the last 100 years making it perhaps the worst non-geriatric human disease.
  
  Anyone who backs this change in the face of overwhelming evidence of the harm it does (every fucking time) is either disqualifying stupid/ignorant or flat-out evil.
  
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  February 2, 2024 1:52pm
- PurplePen
  
  I always thought that women in parties such as gweens and mari that have a co-leader arrangement shot themselves in the foot. For centuries men have always had the top positions of power and leadership. Just when women finally get into top positions in the last few decades someone says “Hey … let’s have a co-leadership”, not realising that finally when women can lead they aren’t allowed to lead on their own. Mari party does this. It also implies you’re not wholly human if you’re just a man or just a woman or you can’t be deemed competent if you’re just a man leading or just a woman leading. But hey .. you make your own bed etc
  
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  February 2, 2024 2:03pm
- graham
  
  With ‘Mad Marama’ – “RECLAIM THE C-WORD!” – and ‘Cannabis Chloe’ at the helm, I’m not too worried.
  
  They’re hardly going to be appealing to the broad swathe of middle New Zealand, are they?
  
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  February 2, 2024 2:05pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    It would be fine except for the fact that NZ’s education system, stuffed to the gills with (thick young female) Green supporters is working overtime to indoctrinate impressionable young eejits into believing Green’s woke bullshit.
    
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    February 2, 2024 2:50pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Wants to double down on the 6 years of destruction, ineptitude and division the last lot visited on NZ by all appearances. Appears to be a Jacinda on steroids.
  
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  February 2, 2024 7:46pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Any truth in the rumor doing the rounds on ‘X’….. that this is the same Josie Butler who it is alleged intends targeting ACT leader David Seymor during the Waitangi Day celebrations?

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2016/02/09/guest-blog-josie-butler-why-i-threw-the-dildo-at-steven-joyce/
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February 2, 2024 1:48pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, she must have matured over 8 years, or now keeps the instrument to herself.
  
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  February 2, 2024 2:19pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    @ Inandout….it’s hard to know
    
    https://twitter.com/Wired_One/status/1753199446970798083
    
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    February 2, 2024 4:13pm
    - kevn
      
      Maggie… Think of it as a (failed) IQ test.
      
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      February 2, 2024 5:12pm
- Jethrod
  
  She finished using it and threw it away
  
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  February 3, 2024 9:36am
Surely Knott

Man sentenced. He stabbed a 26 year old stranger in the head and body 6 times and killed him. The sentence was reduced from Murder to Manslaughter because he was “psychotic”. He uses meth but wasn’t at the time of the stabbing.

Evidence of psychosis: ” “In the preceding weeks, the defendant’s wife had noticed changes in the defendant’s behaviour, including him not sleeping at night, not eating as much as normal, distancing himself from her and their baby, and exhibiting some paranoia,” the summary of facts states.

The 36-year-old Ōtāhuhu resident had awakened at 3am that day and left for work two hours early before quitting his job and going to see a counsellor, whom he confided to that “there was a voice in his head which made him feel overwhelmed”” And yelled where’s my kid when he killed the stranger.

Sentence. 5 1/2 years and he will have to serve just 40% of it.?!

“Because it was Timoti’s first offence, his risk of re-offending has been assessed as low, the judge also noted.”

So you enter a psychotic state that causes you to murder and NZ justice lets you off easy and calls it manslaughter because of your severe mental health . Shouldn’t you go to a mental health facility indefinitely until you can be helped. How can you have mental health causing psychosis and the judge say you are not a risk to the community because it’s only a one off?!!! Where was the psychiatrist. What was their diagnosis. If this man has Psychosis it could be schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or severe depression. Then he needs to be diagnosed as such and treated. It’s unlikely to just disappear because the judge said it only happened once.

Either there is a proper mental health assesment and sentencing to a mental health facility. Or he should own up to the full crime and weight of what he did.

Our country is broken.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/otahuhu-murder-case-name-suppression-lapses-for-joshua-timoti-accused-of-killing-jonty-douglas/L6FTU372GZCYXGZOSOFBV4ZAFI/?ref=readmore
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February 2, 2024 2:06pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Missing link?
  
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  February 2, 2024 2:43pm
  - Ghost
    
    More than likely this, which shows the guy had mental issues due to his previous drug use
    
    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/auckland-social-worker-joshua-timoti-sentenced-for-psychotic-fatal-stabbing-of-jonty-douglas/ar-BB1hDtnC
    
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    February 2, 2024 3:07pm
    - MCōs
      
      Maybe
      
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      February 2, 2024 3:22pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Meth is a very nasty drug. Often involved in horrific crimes.
      
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      February 2, 2024 7:19pm
- MCōs
  
  “he should own up to the full crime”
  
  Originally he was charged with murder and he’s obviously been seen by the appropriate medical professionals and subsequently the charge has been changed to manslaughter and he pleaded guilty
  I suspect a lot of detail has been left out of this article to keep it down to a quick 3min read
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/auckland-social-worker-joshua-timoti-sentenced-for-psychotic-fatal-stabbing-of-jonty-douglas/XODWDZRM6FH7NMVBLZQ5JWPO7M/
  
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  February 2, 2024 3:18pm
Maggie Pie

No wurries…. found it.

https://nzherald.co.nz/author/craig-kapitan/
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February 2, 2024 3:07pm
Hugh Jarse

Has anyone seen the balanced and impartial media interviews of Hipkins on Peeni Henare’s wife’s company’s contracts with Ministry of Health or the allegations Bryce Edward’s made about his government, or how Kelvin managed to triple the number of offenders on bail ?
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February 2, 2024 4:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/tomorrow-saturday-3-february-we-are-protesting-in-whanganui-against-the-removal-of-the-weeping-woman-statue-join-benn-and-his-team/
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