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krazykiwi

Jab maths for kids from this study published in Lancet: Vaccinate almost 38,000 kids (with hundreds of serious side effects), stop one Covid hospitalization.

Yet the CDD is still recommending these jabs for children. Pharma funded harm writ large.

Time to burn institutions like the CDC to the ground, and prior for our authorities to completely ignore their recommendations.
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February 3, 2024 8:02am
- imalwaysright
  
  Kraz,
  
  Don’t forget adern, hipkins and blomfeld stripping parents of their rights of guardian and telling our children as young as twelve to take part in a dangerous drug trial .
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:16am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Quite. This is what happens when people – parents in the instance you cite – outsource their own judgement to parties who have repeatedly proven themselves unworthy of trust. Personal agency leaches and the consequences are borne by the trusting rather than the trusted.
    
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    February 3, 2024 8:47am
- Scott
  
  Quite right krazy. The kids were never in danger from covid, it was a virus really only significantly harmful for those over 65 and those with other health conditions.
  
  But they wanted to lock everybody down so the information about it being harmful to old people was locked away and to this day a lot of people don’t know it.
  
  That they’re still giving kids the Vax is crazy.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:27am
  - Keith White
    
    3 of the crazy people self-identify in the downticks.
    
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    February 3, 2024 11:22am
    - mawm
      
      Recommending a harmful drug that is of no benefit to children is medical malpractice, if not down right criminal. I know the argument will be that they are free to choose but we are all aware of the powerful effect of peer pressure.
      
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      February 3, 2024 1:18pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Sometimes I hate my iPhone. It is, of course, the CDC.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:42am
- igm
  
  What sort of dork downticks a comment such as this?
  Must be either a public servant, beneficiary, or life-long loser.
  
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  February 3, 2024 9:10am
  - Keith White
    
    “…and”.
    
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    February 3, 2024 12:31pm
Yvette

The message from Māoridom is clear
“There are a number in these arrangements that just grate at the Māori soul,” said Rahui Papa of Waikato-Tainui.
The Government was well aware it was going to be challenged – so came prepared with its own wero.
“Frankly, when two-thirds of Māori kids are not at school regularly, that is a responsibility for both iwi leaders and the Government to work on. It’s a responsibility for people to step up and take responsibility and get their kids to school,” said Prime Minister Christopher Luxon.
He said he was being “straight up” about “what we expect them to do and what they expect us to do”.
Papa said: “Of course we want our children educated but we want them educated not just in the Western world – we want them cloaked in their culture as well.”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/02/government-served-message-by-iwi-leaders-worried-about-sustained-attack-on-maori.html

Has Luxon muddied the waters a little with his great deflect attempt.
Perhaps he should have demanded ‘What “just grates at the Māori soul” ‘
Name the actual items that grate
That is how a logical real “conversation” occurs

Rather than an Ardernian conversation where one side doesn’t even state their position,
A threat to fight is not a two way conversation – as shown by Jacinda’s Capital Gains Tax debacle and the promised, but totally missed, ‘conversation’ about the current subject: “co-governance”, which is now about the “Treaty”, but not really about which “sacrosanct” version (1980s or the original 1840 version) or whether “co-governance” or the word “Aotearoa” is actually in it.

But see how the deflect works – do you now want to attack “Aotearoa” or examine “co-governance”?

What is in it, or not – like as mentioned regularly, “abortion” is not in the United States Constitution, so fix it at each State level and chuck out what is in your founding document if it wasn’t there in the first place.
See again, another deflect – media raved over ‘abortion’, but not whether we should examine our own ‘Founding Document’ for it original actual content – and remove the extra 1980s carriages added to the Gravy Train (deflect again)

Because no-one, it seems, in media reportage ever reveals the exact detail of what angers Maori – what Jackson says they may “go to war over” and the Iwi Forum says they “have no other option but to fight”
Over what, fuck it!

The message from Māoridom is NOT clear

Medication and coffee time
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February 3, 2024 8:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The 1980s carriages added are “Forestry and Fisheries.”
  They are not in the original document in Maori, or the Littlewood Draft.
  Remove them and the Gravy Train comes to a grinding halt. This is why Elite Maori are fighting to keep it.
  See here, pages 13 and 14:
  
  https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:30am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Steve,
    
    I know you keep banging on about the Littlewood draft.
    
    However, the official English text (the English version actually signed) is perfectly clear on the point about forests and fisheries. Article 2 provides for “the full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their Lands and Estates Forest Fisheries and other properties they may collectively or individually possess as long as it is their wish and desire to retain the same in their possession…”
    
    Your view that this is not the actual wording of Article 2 is, to be charitable, a quixotic quest.
    
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    February 3, 2024 9:24am
    - Unity
      
      You are so wrong Wayne. The Maori version is the only one that matters and it doesn’t say ‘Forests and Fisheries’. The English one that was signed was just used to collect signatures and it was dated a day earlier than the so-called Littlewood draft. The latter does not mention ‘Forests and Fisheries’. The English one was only a draft and obviously Forests and Fisheries was removed from the later draft (Littlewood). So I reiterate – the Maori Treaty is the only one that matters. It is the ‘final’ one. You need to learn our true history Wayne.
      
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      February 3, 2024 9:40am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Both the English and Maori texts are equally valid. It is true that most Maori only signed the Maori text, though 29 did sign the English text as well as the Maori text. NZ First wants both versions to be referred to in the contemporary discussion.
        
        Many Maori do argue the Maori text takes precedence, mostly over the sovereignty question. The Maori text saying governance was ceded whereas the English text says sovereignty was ceded. There are other differences as well.
        
        In any event my point wasn’t about the differences of the Maori and English texts as such, it was about Steve’s view that the officially accepted English text is not actually the English text version. He is wrong on that.
        
        The English text that is in the Treaty of Waitangi Act and referred to in other legislation, is accepted as the proper English text. The reason being that is the one that was signed.
        
        All sorts of legal documents, including treaties, have multiple versions developed during negotiation. The one that counts is the one that is signed.
        
        Steve’s argument that other English texts are the proper versions is a complete non-starter. He is going to convince no-one except fans of Julian Batchelor.
        
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        February 3, 2024 1:55pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ Wayne,
        “In any event my point wasn’t about the differences of the Maori and English texts as such, it was about Steve’s view that the officially accepted English text is not actually the English text version. He is wrong on that.”
        
        The (today’s) officially accepted English text is the James Freeman version, adopted by the Waitangi Tribunal because it suited the Tribunal.
        
        Unity (above) explains it. What is so hard to explain?
        
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        February 3, 2024 4:01pm
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      I don’t care about the Littlewood draft. I don’t even care if the Maori version is treated as the official one. But I do care if people think they can keep switching between the Maori and English text depending on which one gives Maori more stuff.
      
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      February 3, 2024 9:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Wayne. You are looking at the rogue Treaty version written by James Freeman.
      Did you look at the online booklet, pages 13 and 14? I think not.
      The 3 articles start on page 7.
      Careful now, it would be terrible if you learnt the truth.
      Oh, who do you say authored the Treaty in English? It was not Henry Littlewood
      
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      February 3, 2024 11:21am
  - Damocles11
    
    If you’ve got ‘Lands’ in there, what difference does ‘Forestries’ make? Surely trees grow on land! If Maori have some land and they have a forest on it…what’s the big deal?!
    Why are we getting hung up on this stuff when ‘lands, forestries, and fisheries’ have been covered by Treaty settlements. Maori got Sealord, Maori have customary rights.
    The key thing is who will *govern* NZ. Will it be the democratically elected government, or Maori elites, or both, or will Maori have their own ‘state within a state’? This is what we all want to know: who is going to govern, and will we be one nation or two? And this is all bound up with part of the Treaty that concerns sovereignty and governance.
    This stuff about ‘lands, forestries, fisheries’ is a red herring, surely.
    
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    February 3, 2024 10:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “Customary Rights” is part of the problem.
      How can you have “we are now one people” when one group has special rights over another? That would be apartheid and racist right?
      Have a think before you answer.
      
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      February 3, 2024 11:30am
      - Damocles11
        
        The key thing is who will *govern* NZ. Will it be the democratically elected government, or Maori elites, or both, or will Maori have their own ‘state within a state’? This is what we all want to know: who is going to govern, and will we be one nation or two? And this is all bound up with part of the Treaty that concerns sovereignty and governance.
        
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        February 3, 2024 11:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Damocles11,
        Who will Govern NZ?
        Some makes sense, but democratically means voted for. It does not mean half voted in, the other half appointed with the power of veto!!
        That is what the Aotearoa people want. Only their way of co-governance.
        “Democratically” does not include appointed.
        
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        February 3, 2024 4:10pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Luxon got his responsibilities the wrong way around. The primary responsibility to get their kids to school sits with their parents, always.
  
  To the extent that Maoris have a collective culture, sure, their iwi can chip in. It would be great to see iwi leaders speak publicly about the benefits of education, and how access to European education was a principal reason for their forebears signing the treaty.
  
  By the time you get to government’s responsibility for getting kids to school, very much last level. A truancy service is bottom of the cliff stuff.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:39am
  - pdm
    
    `A truancy service is bottom of the cliff stuff.’
    
    When we were trying to get our grandson to school a few years ago when he was 14 and 15 the Truancy people were absolutely useless and the school was no better.
    
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    February 3, 2024 10:16am
  - Taieri
    
    To the extent that Maoris have a collective culture
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    Every culture is collective. It can’t exist otherwise.
    
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    February 3, 2024 10:28am
- Scott
  
  “Papa said: “Of course we want our children educated but we want them educated not just in the Western world – we want them cloaked in their culture as well.”
  Actually in the 19th century the Maori chiefs demanded that their children be taught in English at school. They wanted it. So the word to the teachers, was Maori at home and English at school.
  
  The idea that Maori children were given corporal punishment for speaking Maori at school is true in a limited sense. But the part that is left out, is that their chiefs and elders wanted them to speak English at school. That they were given corporal punishment is neither here nor there, corporal punishment was common in those days.
  
  I would suggest that the current Maori chiefs and elders, if they want their kids to be immersed in Maori culture, then they should use the treaty settlement money and open their own schools. I’d be fine with that.
  
  Otherwise make sure their kids get to state schools and get a decent education, the same as everybody else.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:47am
  - Unity
    
    There is nothing stopping them learning about their culture at home like all the other ethnicities do. Surely it is their parents’ responsibility to teach them about their language and culture – not the rest of us. They need to become bi-lingual because English is vital for them if they are to get ahead in the real World.
    
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    February 3, 2024 9:43am
  - Damocles11
    
    It’s more than Maori being cloaked in their culture. We are all required to be, and often you cannot get a job without committing to ‘Te Ao Maori’. The question is, is it legal to impose belief in certain cultural ‘values’ on to your employees? At what point does our own right to be treated equally regardless of ‘race, colour, or creed’ start to be denied to us by the strictures of employers? Surely we are employed to carry out tasks & duties, not to have belief systems imposed upon us!
    Up until a year ago I had never heard of ‘Te Ao Maori’. I had never heard of non-Maori New Zealanders being described as ‘Tangata Tiriti’ either, and we are now at the point of having our very identity imposed upon us by others, and defined by the extremely narrow reference point of ‘Te Tiriti’. I was previously a proud New Zealander, now – within a very short space of time- I am told that I am only here because of ‘Te Tiriti’, that I am a colonist, that I am a ‘pakeha’ (Maori for ‘stranger’), that my people are ‘Tangata Tiriti’.
    Who else is stunned that in a very short space of time we have had our identities stripped from us, and new ones imposed? Where is this river of new terminology flowing from, and by whose authority is it imposed? Who voted for any of this? Who consented to any of this? How do we know so-called ‘Te Ao Maori’ is not something invented by academics and activists, and why are we now hostage to it?
    
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    February 3, 2024 10:55am
- ISeeRed
  
  “Straight up”? I wish he was a straight talker. Too much waffle.
  
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  February 3, 2024 2:09pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  ““There are a number in these arrangements that just grate at the Māori soul,” said Rahui Papa of Waikato-Tainui.
  
  Claims to be speaking for all people with Maori ancestry. BS-artistry exhibit one.
  
  Invokes stupid woo BS as a substitute for a coherent argument with the “Maori soul” fantasy speak. BS-artistry exhibit two.
  
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  February 3, 2024 7:33pm
Inandout

This is the ultimate insult to those wankers in NY who finally found the idea of ‘sanctuary cities’ are a sick joke. These illegals are proving to be the scum of the earth and the fossil Biden must take the full blame for opening the gates from January 2020.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/01/metro/police-believe-4-of-the-migrants-arrested-in-nyc-cop-beatdown-fled-to-california/
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February 3, 2024 8:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Governor is not happy and made a U-Turn.
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/gov-hochul-steps-up-her-u-turn-on-welcoming-migrants-after-cop-attack/ss-BB1hDhRQ
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:32am
  - Inandout
    
    SO, New York city is so over run with illegals that the exisitng residents are having their schools and clinics taken over. If Trump survives until the election NY can be seen as flipping to the Republicans.
    
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    February 3, 2024 8:42am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Big part of the swamp in there.
      Remember what Hillary said?
      ‘If I go down, half of DC comes with me.’
      
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      February 3, 2024 4:47pm
- kowtow
  
  Same with the alleged chemical attacker in England .
  
  Failed asylum seeker , claims to be a Christian to avoid deportation due to persecution …….
  
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  February 3, 2024 9:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Chemical attacker has to be the lowest of all lows.
    Deface someone so they are not attractive? Hard to comprehend why it was done.
    
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    February 3, 2024 4:57pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  They will need handouts for years so will vote democrap. That’s the plan.
  
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  February 3, 2024 7:37pm
greenfinger

With Chloe becoming leader, the left will be in self-destruct mode! She will NEVER be PM. We have seen the failed experiment in the last six years with another person. Sure, she will appeal to extreme left Labour voters. Labour Party will counter by becoming the new Green Party or move to the middle. Grass root members in both parties will become disillusioned. Majority in NZ will not trust a coalition with a dominant extreme Green. At best zero-sum game. It will be an all out war between the two parties. Can’t wait to watch the self-destruction and cry of gender-bullying.
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February 3, 2024 8:19am
- Paulus
  
  Labour’s vote pattern will gravitate to the new Greens.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:43am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Chloe is a natural for Opposition. Always carping, never having to cost her policies.
  
  ‘Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing’
  
  Shakespeare had her number.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:44am
  - R
    
    Chloe is a classic example of an empty vessel making the most sound about nothing.
    
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    February 3, 2024 10:50am
- Philview
  
  Chloe’s ‘from the river to the sea’ type of ideology may find favour amongst New Zealand journalists, but will not win friends in a lot of countries. I think her leadership options are limited.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:49am
  - kowtow
    
    Depends which countries .
    
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    February 3, 2024 9:24am
    - Jack5
      
      … Depends which countries
      
      The ones which keep women muffled, out of demonstrations, and sometimes out of education?
      
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      February 3, 2024 12:50pm
      - kowtow
        
        yep and they’re also quite partial to hanging , flogging , ‘honour” murders , disfiguring ,maiming and any number of other “inclusive” , diverse practises .
        
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        February 3, 2024 3:54pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Hopefully after the Jacinda experience the vast majority will steer well clear of the Greens.
    
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    February 3, 2024 7:40pm
- Pavel
  
  I think the green party should rename themselves. 30 years ago they predominantly stood for environmental issues and that was their core. While they only ever got a couple of seats they stood strong in their environmental policies and that was all. Fast forward to today and they are getting too far into social engineering and have moved away from solely working towards the environment. The greens need to go back to chaining themselves to trees and lying in front of bulldozers and stop with their crazy ideas of how we should all live our lives before they get voted into history.
  
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  February 3, 2024 9:28am
Hugh Jarse

Stuff report Luxons sister works for a tobacco company which is still a legal product in NZ and every other country in the world. She is a mature woman who has forged a career in business herself. Luxon is a mature man who have chosen a different career and now leads a country. His sister did not choose his career but now the media make the inference she has an influence on his thinking.

The same media who can’t seem to make a connection between Peeni Henare, his wife, her company and the Ministry of Health or Mahuta and her husband and John Tamihere and his son in law and funding for TPM and I have no doubt many other connections which are yet to revealed in the last government.

The media’s unequivocal support and blind eye to all smelly things on the left and deliberate campaigns against all things on the right is going to put off good people taking a role in politics on the right for fear of the campaign of hate directed at them. Which of course is one of the aims of the media. Slugs.
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February 3, 2024 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The media have no news so they attack Chris Luxon about his sister?
  Legends in their own lunchtime.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:35am
  - kowtow
    
    There’s plenty of news .It’s just a question of te media pardy gate keeping .
    
    Compare and contrast te media pardy’s recent all out across the board treatment of the coalition so called tobacco conflict of interest to their rather muted and reluctant reporting of a pattern of alleged conflict of interest from senior labour party MP’s and relatives .
    
    The latest being Peeni Henare .
    
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    February 3, 2024 9:34am
- krazykiwi
  
  With the Covid cash printers going 24×7 and unaccountable power given license by a silent media, we can be sure the theft of public (our!) money would have been at epic levels. That theft, of course, will be paid for by tomorrow’s taxpayers who will – much like Wellington ratepayers – wonder what they are getting for their extorted payments.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:38am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Kraz,
    
    Does anyone know what happened to the $950,000,000 that adern gave to “maori” at the start of covid for their covid health response.https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/more-900-million-support-m%C4%81ori-we-rebuild-together
    
    This cash was just the primer. There weren’t any maori excluded from the general drug trial so why would they need extra cash?
    Why would they need funding for a separate response to a problem that apparently was a threat of unknown scale and severity?
    Was this money a bribe for the maori activists to stop them blowing the whistle?
    
    $950,000,000. Where is it?
    
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    February 3, 2024 9:24am
    - SoloView
      
      @ imalwaysright
      
      Most of the $900,000,000 is accounted for in the link you provided.
      
      The funding was meant to assist with wider social effects of Covid.
      
      From the article :- “We know that the effects of COVID-19 have impacted on Māori, and today’s announcement is about working with our people and our many providers to restart and repair our communities,”
      
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      February 3, 2024 3:46pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Thanks solo, but there is a difference between what they say the money will be spent on and the reality.
        
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        February 3, 2024 6:11pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Sister in law
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:40am
- redeye
  
  Sister-In-Law.
  Stuff really are scraping the bottom of the barrel.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:41am
- greenfinger
  
  Clickbait. They claim to be the fourth estate.. They are a shallower than the scum pond in my backyard this summer.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:44am
- Paulus
  
  That is what we now have from our so called media – anything to try and get attrition against the Triumvirate Political first time MMP election that we voted for in a Democracy.
  They are really rather stupid and will have difficulty finding other jobs – but wait they are so called educated very smart women, who can talk or write, so all will be revealed
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:47am
- Jade Warrior
  
  It’s not even his sister – it’s his sister in law. Pretty desperate journalism, even by Stuff’s standards. It’s as though the media have adopted the tactic of throwing whatever mud they can find in the hope that something might stick.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:52am
  - R
    
    Pretty desperate journalism……
    pretty typical inaccurate journalism by 1$ STUFF
    
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    February 3, 2024 10:53am
- Philview
  
  Isn’t it Sister in law? Is anybody here that close to their sister in law that they give opinions on their career choices? If Chris Luxon tried to pressure her to leave her job he would have family problems and get another beat up media report.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:53am
- Vinicius
  
  That article was full of unproven insinuations.
  
  The left-wing academics, media and political parties are betting on a dead horse with this issue seeing that over 90% don’t smoke in NZ.
  
  Sean Plunket has a podcast on the overall issue here:
  https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/sean-plunket-on-the-governments-tobacco-legislation
  
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  February 3, 2024 9:09am
  - PurplePen
    
    Good post cast. Sent a letter to Debbie suggesting this.
    
    Hon Debbie Ngarewa-Packer
    Co-leader Te Pati Maori
    
    We wondered if there’s any reason why you can’t just ignore the government’s changes to recent smoking policy put forward by the last government.
    
    And instead, put forward a bill that essentially applies all that policy just to Maori. That way as Maori leaders you’re looking after us in terms of smoking’s uneven impact on our health. For example, cigarettes won’t be able to be sold to Maori whose birthday is after a specified date, etc.
    
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    February 3, 2024 12:45pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  It is actually his sister-in-law.
  
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  February 3, 2024 9:57am
- Burtland
  
  written by Bridie Witton – Senior political Reporter – Parliamentary Press Gallery
  
  why does journalism attract such fools
  
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  February 3, 2024 10:17am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  As others have correctly pointed out it is his sister in law, finger trouble on my part.
  
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  February 3, 2024 10:45am
Dudley Quaffquaff

What is it exactly that Taylor Swift is supposed to have done that’s so heinous that Republicans are calling for the cancellation of the Super Bowl?
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February 3, 2024 8:29am
- Philview
  
  I sometimes venture onto Breitbart and some of the comments in there are crazy. I can well believe there are nut jobs in the US who think Taylor Swift is some kind of secret agent trained to help rig an election.
  
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  February 3, 2024 9:40am
- imalwaysright
  
  She’s got 100 million “followers” on the interweb and she’s going to tell them to vote for Biden.
  Sad.
  
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  February 3, 2024 9:56am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Half of them are probably younger than voting age.
    
    Not sure how any mature adult can follow modern girl pop crap, but hey I’m just a grumpy old guy.
    
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    February 3, 2024 7:45pm
- Notsofast
  
  Maybe supporting Biden?
  
  https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4443400-trump-risks-backlash-as-maga-world-zeroes-in-on-taylor-swift/amp/
  
  There is a proper war in America over race, DEI, LGBTQ, she is a cheer leader for the regressive policies underlying these issues.
  
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  February 3, 2024 10:16am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Gotta feel sorry for Kevin Locke, having to spout these weasel words, in response to plumbers wanting to assist with pipe repairs.

Time for a career change, Kev?

“In response, Wellington Water said the repair work required specialist knowledge, training and qualifications so only approved contractors could be used.

The agency’s spokesman Kevin Locke said skills needed included working with and repairing small and large diametre public water pipes along with the ability to comply with health, safety and environmental requirements for the protection of public health.

Locke said the repairs also involved working around gas and electricity fibre and traffic management, which was not something a plumbing company offered”. – RNZ
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February 3, 2024 8:31am
- peterwn
  
  Thomas Plumbing in Kapiti installed half of the area’s water meters and is responsible for much of the work on the local gas infrastructure. Plumbing firms like that would be well qualified to do waterworks leak detection and repair. Most leaks would be small pipe leaks anyway and hence within the scope of the average plumber.
  
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  February 3, 2024 11:17am
slightlyrighty

I see Carmel Sepuloni accused Chris Bishop of Mansplaining in the house on Thursday….

Chris should have called her out for assuming his gender!
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February 3, 2024 8:34am
- Prince
  
  That was a weird attack from Sepuloni and the Herald.
  Question Time is for MPs to ask Ministers questions.
  When they answer, Sepuloni and the Herald accuse Bishop of ‘Mansplaining’.
  What exactly is he supposed to do when asked a question ?
  
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  February 3, 2024 11:43am
- NZer In Exile
  
  There is no such thing as man-splaining. It’s just another woke construct designed to try to disrupt a person speaking rational sense using name calling and theatrics.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:28pm
SmokerGuy

I see Luxon went in hard and asked iwi leaders where they were with young Maori being so absent from school! Yes I am so glad to hear this, all iwi ‘leaders’ bloody care about is having Maori department names while their people die more on waiting lists, have worse education outcomes etc. Luxon is absolutely right, where were these iwi when Labour was making everything worse for their people? Now they fire up, before this government has even had a chance to do anything. Maori are so let down by these people who supposedly represent them.
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February 3, 2024 8:39am
- Burtland
  
  all iwi ‘leaders’ bloody care about is the money
  
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  February 3, 2024 10:21am
  - Notsofast
    
    Ain’t that the truth. This is how cults operate.
    
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    February 3, 2024 10:48am
Nukuleka

Chloé Swarbrick speaks of her desire for the Greens to increase their representation on city and regional councils. Could someone explain to me the logic of the National Party in not standing candidates in local body politics. I realise there have been proxy organisations such Citizens and Ratepayers, but given the Greens’ effectiveness recently at local body level don’t we deserve a more clear-cut National alternative. Why does National shy away from local body politics when the Greens and Labour don’t?
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February 3, 2024 8:41am
- Philview
  
  I think it could be that the thought of giving up my time to sit in mundane meetings with mostly left wing shrills doesn’t inspire me to want to do it.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:58am
  - Che Guava
    
    It may not inspire you, but the consequence is that we tend to get local governments that driven by left wing ideology who run things into the ground. If ground is ceded, it will be taken.
    
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    February 3, 2024 9:34am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Yes,
      Labour councillors are bound by the Labour Party on what policies to support and how to vote.
      It is an insidious and antidemocratic infiltration of local government by Labour.
      
      Not sure if other parties do the same, if so they are equally at fault .
      
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      February 3, 2024 10:04am
      - Jack5
        
        Nukuleka’s 8..41 query: … Could someone explain to me the logic of the National Party in not standing candidates in local body politics.
        
        Perhaps MMP is part of the problem. Ambitious young National supporters often made their name in local-body politics.
        
        Now the career path seems to be: social science, law, or communications qualification; work for the party or Parliament for nothing or bugger all as an intern; get on the party list …
        
        A second factor may be poor coverage of local body affairs as traditional media fade away.
        
        Less scrutiny and interest from the public, plus fewer traditional, ambitious mainstream politicians, together leave local body politics to activist minorities, often Green, or to indigenous groups, or to various wacko’s.
        
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        February 3, 2024 12:47pm
- Clyde
  
  I guess the main reason is that Councils are the haven of those who delight in making it difficult to get things done. They are even worse than Governments in that when Councils announce, for example that in the case of Clutha where the Mayor has said that rates are going to rise at 25% for the next 3 years, nothing substantive can be done. Council staff rule the roost and even when they are ferreted out for mis-deeds, they simply slope off elsewhere and continue their behaviour.
  
  Anyone that wants change, less endless reasons to say “no”, would be frustrated within days. So Councils are the haven for the hard lefties, the bullies, the suckers on the teats.
  
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  February 3, 2024 9:10am
- Che Guava
  
  “Why does National shy away from local body politics when the Greens and Labour don’t?”
  
  Politics and governance are inherently active pursuits, not passive. When one of your principle positions is “hands off” and you think that small government is better, while the other side has the opposite view, you’re going to lose ground constantly. We are where we are not only because the left are more active and aggressive governors, but because the right are inactive and passive.
  
  For a party allegedly with a worldview wherein you’d expect a preference for localism and autonomy and a disfavour of central government, they seem to not focus at all on the former, and only the latter.
  
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  February 3, 2024 9:43am
- thirteenstars
  
  “Could someone explain to me the logic of the National Party in not standing candidates in local body politics.”
  
  Because they’re playing catch-up. Years of neglect from National at addressing the threat from the Left, and indeed their complicity with and enabling of those forces within and without their own ranks, means that now the neo-Marxist agenda is clear they have to mount a rearguard action, and even so they appear to be mounting it weakly only stiffened by ACT and NZF.
  
  A concerted effort to get candidates into local bodies I suspect is way down the priority list, that is if they even understand the threat. Consider that for decades Labour has been mostly in control of the large urban councils and what Swarbrick is calling for is nothing more than a power transfer from the Left to the hard Left, which is why there was a loud demand for lowering the local voting age to 16.
  
  The best thing the coalition can do is reform the Local Government Act restricting the activities of councils back to core services instead of the property speculation and commercial activity they have become involved in in recent decades fuelling the large debts and rates increases that are now proving such a terrible burden for people.
  
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  February 3, 2024 10:38am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Sorry, but I don’t see Act candidates standing in Local elections. So don’t give me rubbish about the resolve of Act.
    
    If Seymour was doing his job as Regulation Minister, we would hear about stopping the planned expansion of control, red tape and bureaucracy by MPI in a current survey out seeking greater control/management of small food production businesses! But we are hearing feathers. This is happening while he is pursuing his Treaty Principles bill.
    
    Apologies for the rant, but some people need to remove the rose tinted specs.
    
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    February 3, 2024 11:07am
    - thirteenstars
      
      I never suggested or even intimated that ACT should stand in local elections. The question from Nukuleka was directed specifically at National, and that was the context of my reply.
      
      Further, ACT and NZF giving some backbone around many issues is the truth, and that’s why those policies are stipulated in the coalition agreements, and those stipulations relate to mostly central government not local.
      
      My point, which you have not taken at all, is that National has enough on its plate playing catch-up with the result of a couple of decades of neglect towards these cultural and social issues, that a concerted effort in local elections is probably not even on their radar.
      
      Nothing wrong with a rant unless it’s out of context and abusive, which yours was.
      
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      February 3, 2024 12:53pm
    - Cassandra
      
      Early days. He’s a busy fellow.
      
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      February 3, 2024 1:05pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Given low voting turnouts in local body elections we would be better off randomly selecting 1000 voters and paying them to research and vote forcouncilors and mayor. We currently have local body politics dominated by fringe nutter vote
  
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  February 3, 2024 11:15am
  - PurplePen
    
    I think that’s partly the reason gween candidates have done so well in local body politics recently – low voter turnout, in fact, very low turnout. The result being they garner sufficient votes via their established social media followers. Not many are needed to beat your competition. What’s needed is a major campaign next time getting all those disenfranchised by incumbents to vote for someone else.
    
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    February 3, 2024 12:54pm
- peterwn
  
  This was one of the founding principles of the National Party and has held during the 88 years of National’s existence. The Party reviewed this several years ago and decided it was more important to concentrate on Parliamentary elections and not be distracted by involvement in local politics. To put it bluntly – which is preferable following the last election – a National led government (with higher left wing representation in local bodies) or a Labour led government (with higher centre-right representation).
  
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  February 3, 2024 11:27am
Paul

So two sides of the coin will front each other at Waitangi today, nobody listening in the manner of all people.
Imagine if it was just coins meeting. What worldly bearing all attendees would achieve.
One side of a coin has no currency, which is why Hamas versus Israel can never be argued or resolved.
Only when the two sides join together can we have value.
Everybody is wrong.
Otherwise, everybody is right.
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February 3, 2024 8:42am
cas

I made an enquiry for someone the other day who was waiting for probate to be granted. Told it is likely to be 5 months, when it should be no more than 2. The grab-bag of excuses include lots of deaths, covid, lack of staff and the grand-daddy of them all is the High Court had to close because of the occupation!! Remind me when that was again!!
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February 3, 2024 8:45am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Apart from the subeditor amping the headline up, this is a rather amusing story concerning a difference between China & NZ.

He’s missing his high speed trains, apparently.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/02/chinese-ambassador-to-new-zealand-wang-xiaolong-lashes-out-at-lack-of-alternatives-after-flight-cancelled.html
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February 3, 2024 8:51am
- Swifty
  
  “Lashes out….”
  
  No wonder Newshub’s credibility is in the toilet.
  
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  February 3, 2024 9:34am
Vinicius

Amongst the raft of “Briefings to Minister’s” released this week was one to the Minister of Communications and Media “Media component of your portfolio”.

Anyone who like me as an interest in the NZ media will possibly find it worth reading. Of particular this from page 6:
“As audiences have moved online, advertising revenue has decreased. TVNZ reported a decline in profits from $59.2m in 2020/21 to $1.7m in 2022/23 and is forecasting a loss of $15.6m for 2023/24. NZME reported a 76 percent profit drop for the second half of 2022 and MediaWorks reported a $9.7m loss for 2022. Warner Bros. Discovery has reported losses of $34m in New Zealand in 2022”.

It is also noted in the briefing what many here at Kiwiblog will already know that “As New Zealand audiences of all demographics increasingly access content online, they are consuming less media from traditional sources such as radio, newspapers, and television”.

Not sure the legacy media (MSM) have realised that the poor quality of their content is a major issue. For example, much of what is on TV1 is rubbish, starting with their biased news coverage.

Appendix 1 is a briefing about monitoring of funding and Crown Entities. I am of the firm view that of these TVNZ should be sold off.

The briefing document is at:
https://www.mch.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2024-02/proactive-release-briefing-to-the-incoming-minister-for-media-and-communications-redacted.pdf
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February 3, 2024 8:53am
- SoloView
  
  @ Vinicius
  
  “As New Zealand audiences of all demographics increasingly access content online, they are consuming less media from traditional sources such as radio, newspapers, and television”
  
  That sentence sums up the media problem.
  If I can access a piece of news or an article whenever I feel like it, does anyone think I’m going to sit around waiting for the 6 o’clock news.
  
  So perhaps it’s not always a quality issue, but more an availability thing.
  
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  February 3, 2024 4:03pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    It doesn’t matter when or how you access it, the content is almost always of very poor quality.
    
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    February 3, 2024 7:21pm
KH

Exactly right Mr Luxon
“……..Frankly, when two-thirds of Māori kids are not at school regularly, that is a responsibility for both iwi leaders and the Government to work on. It’s a responsibility for people to step up and take responsibility and get their kids to school……”said Prime Minister Christopher Luxon.
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February 3, 2024 9:00am
- Grunter
  
  This is only the responsibility of parents and their kids.
  
  No group think collective responsibility on this one at all. Nothing to do with “Government” nor tribal elites.
  
  If you can not get out of bed and go and learn stuff then you will have a very difficult life. Good luck with that – your choice!
  
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  February 3, 2024 9:38am
  - rouppe
    
    My view of Luxon saying “that is a responsibility for iwi leaders…” is to push back on iwi always calling for the government to give them something, or do something for them.
    
    It is time this nation started saying “how are the billions in tax free assets held in Maori entities helping Maori? Why do the calls of by Maori for Maori not include getting kids to schools, and kids vaccinated against childhood diseases?”
    
    More of that needs to be said
    
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    February 3, 2024 2:20pm
Grunter

Shane Jones is making a lot of good statements about cranking up mining, and getting oil and gas back on track. All makes sense of course.

But who was part of the government that stopped oil and gas in its tracks in 2017? Oh, that’s right Shane Jones!

I realise it was the [Mod – use correct names] call, but not only did NZF put her there they then continued to support her for the first 3 years.

If Shane Jones was truely looking after the country, him and his chameleon mate would have pulled the pin immediately. Imagine how much better off this country would be if Shane Jones (and Winston) had grown a pair back in 2017.

Never trust any of these buggers. They are all a pack of flea bags, they just vary in the quantity of fleas they carry.
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February 3, 2024 9:03am
- kowtow
  
  ‘they just vary in the quantity of fleas they carry’.
  
  yep , and how much blood they suck out of us , the punter.
  
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  February 3, 2024 11:40am
- mawm
  
  To be fair to NZ1 they had no idea that the captain would unilaterally make such a call.
  
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  February 3, 2024 1:39pm
Tauhei Notts

Labour brought in that 30% marginal tax rate for high income workers who earned in excess of $48,000.
National want to lift the minimum wage to $23.15 per hour so that anybody on the minimum wage working a 40 hour week will be considered a high income worker. ($23.15 x 40 hours x 52 weeks = $48,152.)
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February 3, 2024 9:04am
Jack5

Where your Stuff subcription goes?

– Chloe Swarbrick may stand for Green Party co-leader …

– Chloe Swarbrick to announce she will stand …

-Chloe Swarbrick announces she will stand for co-leader …

– Chloe Swarbrick’s “leap into the unknown” … (Is she volunteering for a space mission?)

– Swarbrick’s “okay boomer” to Todd Muller went round the world – and 800 times around the NZ media (her 30th birthday’s this year; old reporter-esses will be talking about it when Swarbrick’s beyond boomer).

Female journo’s of the State media-subsidised media bloc will promote Swarbrick as their fantasy-warrior comic hero.

For help with the metaphors they could try this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_soldier_and_warrior_characters_in_comics
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February 3, 2024 9:06am
- imalwaysright
  
  She reminds me of that kid who, instead of being outside playing with the other kids, sits inside with the adults boring the tits off them talking incessantly about her future career prospects.
  
  She hasn’t changed much.
  
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  February 3, 2024 10:29am
- peterwn
  
  I do not have a Stuff sub despite Stuff trying to make it more difficult for freeloaders with purposeful delays when accessing content.
  
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  February 3, 2024 11:33am
- mogg
  
  Swarbrick’s ‘okay boomer’ had been around the world 800 times before she copied it from overseas use.
  
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  February 3, 2024 2:28pm
Bridgenag

“At the end, I show for the very first time, the analysis of the New Zealand data that nobody can explain (a huge increase in mortality rates among most age groups).

Cannot be viewed on YouTube for some reason…”

Viva Frei interview posted on Rumble
Just completed the interview. Live on Rumble now. A wide range of topics are covered including my genesis story: how I went from blue pilled to red pilled in 2 weeks.

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/viva-frei-interview-posted-on-rumble?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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February 3, 2024 9:14am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NZCPR.
Dr Muriel Newman.

Derailing the Gravy Train:

https://www.nzcpr.com/derailing-the-treaty-gravy-train/
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February 3, 2024 9:15am
- Grunter
  
  The link includes the full Luxon speech at Ratana. Overall a decent speech.
  
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  February 3, 2024 10:08am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Senator Hawley calls out Zuckerberg.
Video.

https://www.thepoliticalglobe.com/tech-giant-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-publicly-apologizes-for-child-exploitation-02-01-2024/?
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February 3, 2024 9:42am
Ghost

If true, could be interesting, but I just don’t see Biden at the election

As signs point to the 2024 presidential election being a repeat of the 2020 race between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump, Biden holds a lead over Trump 50 – 44 percent among registered voters in a hypothetical general election matchup, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll of registered voters released today.

In Quinnipiac University’s December 20, 2023 poll, the same hypothetical 2024 general election matchup was ‘too close to call’ as President Biden received 47 percent support and former President Trump received 46 percent support.

In today’s poll, Democrats (96 – 2 percent) and independents (52 – 40 percent) support Biden, while Republicans (91 – 7 percent) support Trump.

Article
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February 3, 2024 9:52am
- Tom Hunter
  
  I do not know why people continue to refer to national polls for the US Presidential election when that is determined on a state-by-state basis in the Electoral College, making state polls the key metric, and especially those in the swing states.
  
  Even then it’s a question of the GOP machines vs the Democrat machines and which is best at churning out voters. My bet is on the Democrat machines.
  
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  February 3, 2024 10:59am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Because they don’t have much idea about how federalism works, which in my experience is at the root of much uninformed and often silly discussion about the US.
    
    I agree the Dem machine will probably work better than the GOP’s but you can only get out the vote to those who wish to vote your way. Disaffection is high in the US as it was before our recent election. It could be another 2016 for Trump or better. At some point the swing is too great for any machine to claw back.
    
    It’s the legal and media shenanigans employed to hobble Trump’s candidacy that will be more telling.
    
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    February 3, 2024 1:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hillary. Ssssshhh!
  
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  February 3, 2024 5:06pm
Maggie Pie

“YOUR-ONE-SOURCE-OF-TRUTH”

Thanks to NZFIRST, everyone concerned will be able
to make their submissions to the COVID-19 inquiry.

https://nzfirst.nz/covid-19-inquiry-update

Amazed at the number of tweets suggesting the Dame could be jailed 🙁
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February 3, 2024 9:56am
- kevn
  
  Maggie… Indeed. This sums it up.
  https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/opinion/when-will-it-be-called-treason/
  
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  February 3, 2024 10:41am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WOW!! ‘The-definition-of-treason’
    
    That’s some real heavy stuff Kevie 🙁
    
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    February 3, 2024 11:11am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, why does Firefox say the site you linked was a ‘security threat’?
  
  [Mod – link is safe]
  
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  February 3, 2024 10:44am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hi I&O…that’s what Ma emailed thru to me. She’s a long time NZF supporter 😀
    
    Try this direct from their site:
    
    https://www.nzfirst.nz/covid-19-inquiry-update
    
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    February 3, 2024 11:03am
  - JJ56
    
    The problem is the way NZ First have set up their security certificates on their domain name. http://www.nzfirst.nz is associated with a certificate that validates the name but they haven’t done the necessary for nzfirst.nz. So Firefox trusts the first but warns about the second.
    
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    February 3, 2024 11:48am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Yep in Brave Browser when I navigate to nzfirst.nz
      I get the message:
      
      “The connection to nzfirst.nz is not secure.
      You are seeing this warning because this site does not support HTTPS”
      
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      February 3, 2024 8:41pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        From https://www.kaspersky.com/resource-center/definitions/what-is-a-ssl-certificate
        
        “More relevant to businesses is the fact that an SSL certificate is required for an HTTPS web address. HTTPS is the secure form of HTTP, which means that HTTPS websites have their traffic encrypted by SSL. Most browsers tag HTTP sites – those without SSL certificates – as “not secure.” This sends a clear signal to users that the site may not be trustworthy – incentivizing businesses who have not done so to migrate to HTTPS.”
        
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        February 3, 2024 8:49pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Mod can you give the reason why you state the site is safe?
    
    [Mod – it’s nz first’s website, also ran a few scans of the page to make sure]
    
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    February 3, 2024 7:55pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Thanks Mod.
      
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      February 3, 2024 8:43pm
Warren

Just like Jacinda Ardern and the Labour Party divided New Zealander’s on Covid-19 with their rules and bullshit we now find Maori and Community Boards are using their power to change names of the settlements that people have lived in for years, and it seems Maori will not be happy until they have devided hard working New Zealander’s with their Racial bias.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/508288/iwi-bid-to-rename-national-park-village-splits-community
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February 3, 2024 10:01am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Highway One goes over the Waimarino River, a few kilometres north of Turangi. Changing National Park to Waimarino merely creates confusion.
  I noticed that the Maori name for that Rangitikei village of Marton is now Tutaenui. As I drove along there I thought that if they wanted to go to a continental name they could call the town…”La Grande Merde”
  
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  February 3, 2024 10:45am
Paulus

Question !
How do Pacifica people fit into the Treaty of Waitangi, and all its so called judgements, and money accepted from within its judgements ?
It does not appear that they are included in Waitangi anything, and yet without a doubt Maori are Pacifica people, more recently from what we know as the Cook Islands.
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February 3, 2024 10:16am
- Jack5
  
  Cook Islanders have no connection with the Treaty of Waitangi and no protection from it.
  
  This is from the CIA World Factbook:
  
  “Rarotongans [i.e. Cook Islanders] asked the UK for protectorate status in the 1840s and 1860s, which the UK ignored. In 1888, Queen MAKEA TAKAU of Rarotonga formally petitioned for protectorate status, which the UK reluctantly agreed to.
  
  “In 1901, the UK placed Rarotonga and the rest of the islands in the New Zealand Colony and in 1915, the Cook Islands Act organized the Cook Islands into one political entity.
  
  “It remained a protectorate until 1965, when New Zealand granted the Cook Islands self-government status. The Cook Islands has a great deal of local autonomy and is an independent member of international organizations, but it is in free association with New Zealand … ”
  
  https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/cook-islands/
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:39pm
Chuck Bird

I wonder how long before Oz has these SMRs.

Nuclear energy is a low-carbon energy source, capable of producing large amounts of electricity with zero-emissions.

https://www.sacome.org.au/nuclearenergy.html
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February 3, 2024 10:18am
- oldfella
  
  Chuck, this CNN article on SMRs is worth a read.
  https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/01/climate/nuclear-small-modular-reactors-us-russia-china-climate-solution-intl/
  
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  February 3, 2024 11:31am
imalwaysright

Luxon and Lee have to realise that tvnz and rnz are government funded anti-government activists and should be treated as such.
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February 3, 2024 10:35am
- Che Guava
  
  If only National could get into government and exert control over them…
  
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  February 3, 2024 10:54am
- newview
  
  I agree. The media was manipulated by the Labour government to believe that their socialist policies were best for us regardless of the cost to the economy. The media have been slow to call out the economic and social disadvantages of co governance. Nothing has changed. National need to go on the offensive and call out unbalanced journalism. There are two sides to every story and we are only hearing one.
  
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  February 3, 2024 11:05am
  - mandk
    
    The media can only ever see one side of an issue.
    
    For example, they seem to believe that there were no downsides of the vaxx and the mandates to weigh against the benefits in which they so eagerly believed.
    
    They also bemoan the cost of putting crims in prison, but they never take account of the cost of not putting crims in prison.
    
    They also blindly accept that banning oil and gas exploration and production is a good thing, without considering the reality that the ban means we need, and will continue to need, to import them instead.
    
    Likewise with agricultural emissions. Getting rid of sheep and cattle is great because it means lower emissions, except that what it really means is that sheep and cattle farming will be sent elsewhere to higher emitting countries.
    
    And so on.
    
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    February 3, 2024 12:40pm
- KH
  
  Mmmh. RNZ have some anti government content. But nowhere as batshit crazy lefty as the other media.
  
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  February 3, 2024 11:05am
- peterwn
  
  They realise this. However the two organisations by their very nature have very good protective and self preservation mechanisms. The trick is to crack these mechanisms.
  
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  February 3, 2024 11:37am
Damocles11

‘ Te ao Māori emphasises the importance of relationships between nature and people. It is a holistic worldview that focuses on interconnections and is grounded in tikanga customary values and lore and mātauranga knowledge.’

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The relationships between nature and people are very important….wow, I bet that never occurred to anyone else on the planet. Give me a break: this mystical hokum is nauseating! Yet if you want be employed, you have to sign up for it. New Zealand is in deep trouble.
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February 3, 2024 11:00am
- John Loveridge
  
  What a load of shit. Try telling all that to the moa, the huia…
  
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  February 3, 2024 9:00pm
  - Ghost
    
    Now tell us all about the amount of species that have gone extinct in your life time, far surpasses what happened a few hundred years ago. If your argument is what happened a few hundred years ago you need a new story
    
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    February 3, 2024 9:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
I find 5 untruths.
Margaret Mutu spreading mis-information.
TV1 producers need to explain themselves.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/tv1-produces-video-on-the-treaty-so-many-inaccuracies-and-some-lies/
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February 3, 2024 11:14am
- AitchW
  
  Margaret Mutu is a hardened racist. She hates we colonialist oppressors with a deep cold fury. A thoroughly unpleasant woman.
  
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  February 3, 2024 11:27am
  - kevn
    
    Aitch… Odd thing is, she has done quite well. Maybe she resents her own success in some way?
    
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    February 3, 2024 1:17pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I’m mildly surprised that she has not been gifted a forename that’s more to her taste.
    
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    February 3, 2024 6:40pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Te Awa ?
      
      😀 😀 😀
      
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      February 3, 2024 7:16pm
      - Jethrod
        
        50 ticks!
        
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        February 4, 2024 8:14am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Very good.
        Whoosh for most.
        
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        February 4, 2024 9:02am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    A handsomely paid career in being that way and enjoying the vast array of accoutrements that the colonisers brought?
    
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    February 3, 2024 8:51pm
Damocles11

Did anyone vote for our country to be ‘decolonised’? Let me know. It seems this movement is underway & being driven by the state and academia. So who supports it?
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February 3, 2024 11:22am
BeaB

Lessons from Casey Costello mock scandal:
1 Front foot. She should have said straightaway she had already raised the excise tax. The media were never going to reveal it. Don’t deny anything. Just fudge or talk for so long about any old rubbish that the media gives up and goes away. Copy Jacinda who was the expert at this.
2 Don’t bundle every bit of crazy policy your party has ever considered and hand it over to public servants. They’ll have a field day with their media chums.
3 List every relative dead and alive and all their jobs, friends, clubs and associations and declare them to the Cabinet Office. Include in-laws. Don’t worry if they cheated on benefits, murdered someone, went to jail for fraud, cheated on their spouses or shoplifted.
4 Face the fact that the media hate you so don’t walk into their childish traps or try to make friends with them. Consult with Peter Dunne if you need further advice on this.
5 Decide the most important policies you are going to deliver and stand up for them. Treat every day with the media as high noon and don’t be outgunned.
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February 3, 2024 12:11pm
- Ghost
  
  All she needed to say was yes I requested the information along with a wide ranging amount of information. The story would have ended there.
  
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  February 3, 2024 12:23pm
  - nathie
    
    ” The story would have ended there.”
    
    If only. Costello founded Hobson’s Pledge, with Don Brash, so the both of them are another of the Left’s “public enemy no 1”. So in other words they consider her “racist” but won’t be saying that out loud (because she is part Maori).
    
    That’ll be why the Labour and their leftist MSM friends are throwing mud around in an attempt to discredit her. They don’t even have to score a direct hit, just keep throwing mud and claim where there is smoke there is fire.
    
    Labour are being despicable. But don’t expect Labour and the sympathetic MSM to stop after this attempt.
    
    (Unfortunately for Labour they have underestimated her resilience).
    
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    February 3, 2024 2:27pm
Swifty

And exactly how are New Zealanders better off from her nine terms in Parliament – all of 27 years?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/whats-next-for-former-labour-mp-nanaia-mahuta-after-decades-of-service/552ENHW2RVEEHFPN62NQ2G453A/

Unfortunately she doesn’t say. Nor was she asked it seems.

Why am I not surprised?
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February 3, 2024 12:45pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The Maori seats under Labour were the nearest ZNZ had to the equivalent of the UK’s Rotten Boroughs. Remember Blackadder v3 in the election for the Borough of “Dunny on the Wold”.
  
  Tirikatene Family sat in Parliament for 70 years in the S Is seat. Mahuta, 27 years in Tainui.
  
  Get in there, park your bum, do nothing and het paid a lot of money.
  
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  February 3, 2024 4:35pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Her decades of service were devoted to herself. Who was it described her as the laziest person in Parliament?
  
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  February 3, 2024 9:03pm
NothingLeft

Secret chinese (state/military?) invasion of USA via Panama, separate all-young-male chinese camps using enormous wave of others to enter USA.

Bret Weinstein discusses his tour of invasion route and clear signs of state-level organisation/collusion with Tucker Carlson. Seriously eye opening.
https://youtu.be/wOxksFHAHRU
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February 3, 2024 1:24pm
- Inandout
  
  NL, in the absence of any logical reason Biden (read Obama) would turn a blind eye to border controls and let the hordes in by the millions, well this may be the answer.
  
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  February 3, 2024 4:20pm
- newview
  
  NL. I watched a good part of it and certainly surprisingly to me. I could understand a corrupt US government letting cheap labour across the border and to hell with US jobs but the Chinese angle is bewildering. Even if State officials are corrupt surely the Federal government would draw the line. We know Tucker can be one eyed so I wonder whether Bret W has had a similar interview with the NY Times. What is going on.
  
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  February 3, 2024 4:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How many bridges you got for sale? I have run out.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/health/other/latest-covid-vaccine-shields-against-current-dominant-strain/ar-BB1hFsp2?
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February 3, 2024 5:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump trial date called off until the DC Court decides if he is immune from prosecution.
Really? This is why Joe Biden can not be indicted as the POTUS. The Biden family are in deep shit. Just before the Nov 5th Joe will step aside and enter Hillary Clinton. Tell me I am wrong.
Same applies to Trump at that time being POTUS Jan 6th 2021.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/donald-trump-s-march-4-trial-date-on-charges-of-plotting-to-overturn-2020-election-is-called-off-case-delayed-until-dc-court-decides-if-he-is-immune-from-prosecution/ar-BB1hGM0F?
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February 3, 2024 5:16pm
Ghost

Surprise surprise

The prime suspect being sought by police in connection with a horrific acid attack in London on Wednesday evening is an Afghan national who came to Britain as an asylum seeker, it has emerged.

Article

I was listening the other night to This video. Her 15 year old son was walking through a park and saw a group of boys, hooded, running towards him. They beat the shit out of him, then a young boy came and stabbed him in the head. He survived. Police arrested the boy that stabbed him. His punishment, a letter of apology to the victim and £50 fine
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February 3, 2024 5:48pm
Sparrow

I have just witnessed an orchestrated attack on the new government by onenews. After the news about the USA attacks in the Middle East it was a litany of attacks on the government. First Waitangi with the opposition parties raising the heat, then an attack on the change proposed for smoking, then an attack why the government has yet to reduce the age of free bowel screening. I will nail my colours to the mast as life long labour supporter I voted anybody but Labour in the election. So I am no strong supporter of the coalition but I am sick and tired of the beat up this government is getting from the media. It is orchestrated it is disgusting and the leaks from the public servants are not helping. I have never seen such a one sided media its non democratic the fourth estate is a joke.
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February 3, 2024 6:34pm
- Ghost
  
  Turn the news off, stop watching it, you’ll be much happier
  
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  February 3, 2024 6:48pm
- Damocles11
  
  Did you see one marae speaker howling with grief as he shook his stick, crying out in maori “we’ve lost Jacinda, and now we could lose Te Tiriti!”
  Give me a break.
  
  Maori have absolutely lost their minds, they are hysterical.
  
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  February 3, 2024 7:25pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Most (if not all) of what the racial radicals want is only supported by theatre and threats.
    
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    February 3, 2024 8:15pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    How ridiculous and embarrassing.
    
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    February 3, 2024 9:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They are going to lose their Gravy Train!
    Of course they will fight tooth and nail to keep it.
    
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    February 4, 2024 9:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Another one left the plantation. Good man.
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:08am
kevn

Sparrow… It has been so for years. We are just seeing a ramping up of their agenda.
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February 3, 2024 6:50pm
Sparrow

I agree.
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February 3, 2024 7:20pm
Maggie Pie

“I lift my gun, and I let the shots do the talking”

– Peeni Henare ( Waitangi today)

Should be an interesting few days 🙁
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February 3, 2024 7:32pm
- Jack5
  
  And after Ardern’s Labour put almost draconian conditions on firearms owned by law abiding New Zealand hunters, farmers, sportsmen.
  
  Now we have Labour’s Peeni Henare, ousted by the more radical Maori Party, upping his talk to armed insurrection.
  
  Meanwhile, the Leftist media have started hyping the numbers coming to Waitangi. Now they’re talking 50,000! Not so much arithmetically challenged commentators as frenzied fools.
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:25pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It sounds absolutely dreadful Jack!
    I’ve got no idea if Chris intends taking Amanda up there with him, but if I was her, I’d definately stay at home. Still, what more could you expect after six years of Ardern’s acts of division.
    
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    February 3, 2024 8:40pm
    - Jack5
      
      Get a drone for a head count …
      
      Boris Sakratov, the Bulgarian-Maori of the Nutters Club radio show says of the Waitangi Big Grizzle: “Organisers are this year planning on 60,000 people turning up …”
      
      Let’s hope the new Police Minister has enough police there to keep order.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/the-treaty-david-seymour-don-brash-hobsons-choice-saviours-of-maori-boris-sokratov/WOPU6KZGUVDFBPDXMHODNMQS6M/
      
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      February 3, 2024 10:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well if he was a good boy and handed his gun in to Jaspinda, he would have no gun to lift.//
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:11am
PurplePen

https://www.stuff.co.nz/te-ao-maori/350157593/growing-demand-te-ao-maori-workplace-study-finds

Good lord. Well of course.

Turns out, a study finds there’s a growing demand for te ao Mari in the workplace. Well there would be after the last 6 years has made it a requirement for anyone employed or any company connected with any number of the more than 1,500 government agencies and quangos and their nearly 500,000 employees.

There is almost zero productivity from all this in any workplace, zero difference to the bottom line except added expense. A MASSIVE gravy train for those who continue to forcibly embed this nonsense in agencies.
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February 3, 2024 8:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Engineering workshop.
  If I said “drill a hole here” in Maori, I would be laughed at.
  “keria he poka ki konei” (from google)
  How ridiculous!
  
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  February 4, 2024 9:15am
Ghost

This will be an interesting show

Our upcoming guest on the Shawn Ryan Show, Joe McMoneagle, might be the most mind-blowing episode to date. Joe takes us through his early childhood, his enlistment in the US Army, entry into Army intelligence, deployment to Vietnam, bizarre near-death experiences, and out-of-body experiences (OBE). He shares insights into controlling his out-of-body experiences and utilizing them for intelligence gathering. Joe’s journey involves being recruited for a classified program now known as Project Stargate, where he held the title of remote viewer no. 1. This episode provides a profound examination of the numerous targets assigned to Joe and his colleagues, reaching a point where many influential figures sought to deny the significance of their work. Joe has had many high profile targets to include RV Mars, Mount Hayes, and the Typhoon Class Submarine TK-17.

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February 3, 2024 8:33pm
- PurplePen
  
  Where do you find this stuff!?
  
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  February 3, 2024 8:50pm
  - Ghost
    
    Shawn Has some amazing shows, I’d suggest going through his shows. He is a former US Navy Seal and CIA Contractor, so a lot of his guests are former military telling their stories.
    
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    February 3, 2024 9:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is one of those shows that you like or dislike.
    For me, I like “The Whisky Wall/ beyond the Uniforms”
    It is military and first responders telling their life stories.
    
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    February 4, 2024 9:19am
jon

TV3 News tonite, anyone else notice the item showing five Maori women, including the Governor General, in a cosy huddle at Waitangi? Given her position representing the Crown, thought it inappropiate for her to be seen smiling and clearly amused by the warning from Dame Nadia Glavish, for the government to tread carefully. She needs to take her Vice Regal role more seriously, to be seen to be above politics.
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February 3, 2024 8:51pm
Ghost

This is actually vile for a member of parliament, a leader of a party to be talking about the government like this

Labour is pledging its support to Ngāpuhi and wider te ao Māori as the iwi seeks to oppose some of the Government’s agenda on Māori issues.

Labour leader Chris Hipkins and his MPs made the commitment alongside warnings of “spiders” and a “den of lions” approaching – a reference to the Government’s scheduled arrival at the marae on Monday.

Article

Hey Hopkins, who is responsible for the current education system, your moron, self goal.

Hipkins also hit back at Prime Minister Christopher Luxon’s challenge to iwi leaders yesterday regarding poor school attendance by Māori students, saying Luxon should first understand how the current education system wasn’t respectful or inviting to Māori.
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