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oldpark

Heard an interview with a guy on Newstalk ZB .

The interview was about so called CHCH Call .

The interviewer mentioned the word “Gasbagging”.The guy who was being interviewed seemed to turn also incandescent about the word .
Makes me wonder why he got so hostile to poor wee Andrew Dickens who was after all stating a fact .Maybe the person being interviewed did not understand the “Kings English”.
The person who was being so precious was some guy from Islamic Federation or a similar description .Go figure .
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May 15, 2024 8:12am
- Chuck Bird
  
  He should have been asked if would condemn Hamas for the atrocities on 7 October and if Israel had a right to exist.
  
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  May 15, 2024 8:25am
- Muttonbird
  
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  It’s unfortunate the government has decided to side with terrorists by scrapping NZ’s commitment to the Christchurch Call.
  
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  May 15, 2024 8:27am
  - Swifty
    
    Muttonbird is all in favour of leftist forces around the world collaborating to censor the internet of things they don’t like to see or read and want to stop other people from seeing or reading.
    
    All in the name of ‘safety’ of course.
    
    All for our own good, of course.
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:03am
    - Beach Haven expat
      
      Whilst enjoying the freedom ton come here to express his opinion.
      
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      May 16, 2024 8:35am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I’m hope that is sarcasm.
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:03am
    - cmm
      
      It’s Muttonhead, so, no it isn’t sarcasm.
      
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      May 15, 2024 9:29am
      - jkt
        
        Bird brain….
        
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        May 15, 2024 9:42am
  - alloytoo
    
    Christchurch call was never about terrorism, it was merely an opportunity to censor social media.
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:06am
    - rouppe
      
      Evident by that organisation never demanding removal of video of Hamas activities in Israel on October 7.
      
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      May 15, 2024 9:27am
    - jkt
      
      One has a choice between outrage and being charitable.
      
      A more charitable approach would be to say that the CCCall was based on emotions (feelings) when rational thinking 🤔 is what is required.
      
      Humans are inclined to think in terms of either or, black or white, our side/their side … we all know that this type of thinking creates more outrage and divides, and nothing good ever result from that.
      
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      May 15, 2024 9:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, snd to give the failing Ardern yet another soapbox to preschool her bullshit from comrade
      
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      May 15, 2024 10:11am
      - imalwaysright
        
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        Not so much a soapbox as a pile of dead kiwis.
        
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        May 15, 2024 10:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yip, yip, that’s what it is.
      
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      May 15, 2024 10:42am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      I love “ was” alloytoo when used with the Christchurch call has me dancing in the Wairarapa rain.
      
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      May 15, 2024 10:44am
    - pdm
      
      One thing that is certain from the funding change – the Christchurch Call will not last long.
      
      Why?
      
      Jacinda Ardern has not succeeded with anything that she has had to work hard at and she will now find out that money does not grow on trees. Christchurch Call will be all over by years end
      
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      May 15, 2024 1:02pm
      - Beach Haven expat
        
        The government has only said it’s not funding the Christchurch Call. There’s no mention of not funding the new Foundation. And no one has asked Luxon that either.
        
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        May 16, 2024 8:37am
  - Grunter
    
    How do you get to that conclusion?
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:22am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Does anyone know the dude’s full name?
  
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  May 15, 2024 8:32am
  - Ghost
    
    Why do you need his full name are you planing to dox him?
    
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    May 15, 2024 8:58am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      So I can ask him some questions.
      
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      May 15, 2024 9:01am
      - Ghost
        
        Well that sure doesn’t sound creepy…..
        
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        May 15, 2024 9:08am
    - Graeme Hall
      
      ZB gave his full name on their news this morning. Not being tuned in to the pronunciation it came across to me as something out of the film Team America “DullaDulla”.
      
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      May 15, 2024 11:58am
      - Ghost
        
        News media don’t expect people to harass their guests. It’s really creepy that chuck wants to track him down and question him.
        
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        May 15, 2024 12:47pm
      - Sponge
        
        I agree with Ghost. Whatever his views he does not need to be harassed by Chuck.
        
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        May 15, 2024 1:02pm
      - Graeme Hall
        
        Normally Ghost I’d agree, but apparently, he is the designated spokesman for the Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand. ZB gave out his full title, which sounded very impressive. Anyway Chuck appears to be a grounded individual, interested in philosophy and politics, rather than a swivel-eyed branch member of the Muslim Brotherhood. I’d trust Chuck.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Islamic_Associations_of_New_Zealand
        
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        May 15, 2024 4:35pm
      - Ghost
        
        This is chuck, he constantly posts the pissy emails he sends to politicians for not believing what he does. His one to jack tame the other days shows the lack of maturity he has. Actually I’d say he boarders on being abusive in what he posts that he sends some of them.
        
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        May 15, 2024 5:07pm
- cmm
  
  Here’s the difference between the West and Islam:
  
  West: One guy goes off his trolley and shoots 60 or so Muslims, West hangs its collective head in shame. The dude is charged and put away forever. The victims (and extended families) are hugged and given citizenship.
  
  Islam: A bunch of people rush into Israel. They are not as effective individually, but there are many of them. They kill 1200, rape and burn in the most brutal way. Islam cheers can calls them all heroes. The victims are turned into pariahs and re-victimised.
  
  Until that circle can be squared, there is no peace.
  
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  May 15, 2024 8:52am
  - Drone
    
    cmm it’s time that people accept that the conflict in Palestine has been going on for a long time. The Israelis have continually infringed on Palestinian territory by building towns and settlements despite signing up to “treaties” that give the Palestinians back ownership of Palestinian land. Maybe consider that the October 7 incident was a desperate act to get the world to notice the plight of the Palestinian population who have systematically been deprived of their rights for years. Here in New Zealand it is not beyond the bounds of belief to conceive of a group of maori activists turning to violence if the waitangi treaty fails to deliver. Remember the Ureweras..
    
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    May 15, 2024 10:43am
    - cmm
      
      “not beyond the bounds of belief to conceive of a group of maori activists turning to violence if the waitangi treaty fails to deliver.”
      
      Fails to deliver what?
      
      What is broken in the Maori community can never be fixed by the treaty, because nothing external is holding Maori back – only Maori themselves.
      
      Maori have had the vote longer than whites.
      Maori have continually had more rights than whites.
      Maori get various hand-outs and opportunities not given to others.
      Maori have been given every possible opportunity to succeed.
      
      So if Maori are still failing to achieve it is not because the treaty (in reality, the taxpayer) is not delivering.
      
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      May 15, 2024 11:44am
      - Graeme Hall
        
        Suspect cmm you have answered your own question. History has showed the surest way to corrupt a people, and make them dependent, is for the Govt to give them special treatment.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth,_Poverty_and_Politics
        
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        May 15, 2024 4:41pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Alternatively cmm man detonates a bomb in a music venue in Manchester attended mainly by young teenage girls and there mums and the Muslim community refuses to condemn it sighting the argument that they aren’t terrorists so why should they , they have nothing to do with it. Meanwhile everyone else lights candles and sings “ don’t look back in anger” rather than engaging in a program. Big differences.
    
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    May 15, 2024 10:51am
- artemisia
  
  The term ‘gasbagging’ does have a pejorative tone to it. Not used so much these days, though ‘gaslighting’ is common and is definitely intended to be pejorative.
  
  The interviewee may have been confused with ‘gaslighting’, though a texter did suggest he was a prime example of gasbagging himself. (He was.)
  
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  May 15, 2024 8:55am
  - Swifty
    
    Never heard of gasbagging.
    
    Teabagging, but not gasbagging.
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:04am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Don’t teabag a gasbag.
      You could lose a nut.
      
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      May 15, 2024 9:50am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Robertson was a gas bag
      
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      May 15, 2024 10:12am
      - Observer of Life
        
        Ardern was a HUGE gas bag. You couldn’t shut her up .. waffle waffle waffle…
        
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        May 15, 2024 10:53am
      - Paulus
        
        Robertson – Nah, nah, just a piss and windbag !
        
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        May 15, 2024 1:49pm
      - Jethrod
        
        Ooohhhhh….. the gaslighting!!!¡!//
        
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        May 15, 2024 2:00pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  What does gasbagging mean?
  
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  May 15, 2024 9:04am
  - Swifty
    
    It used to mean, in the olden days, someone talking and talking ad infinitum. Maybe it still does, I don’t know.
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:05am
    - rouppe
      
      Kind of like what Ginny Anderson does on Wednesdays to consume as much of the 15 minutes available on Newstalk ZB that are supposed to be an exchange of ideas.
      
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      May 15, 2024 9:30am
      - jkt
        
        What labour did for six years in government.
        
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        May 15, 2024 9:55am
    - R
      
      gasbagging mean…….it still means talking incessantly; frequently without any real purpose, except to hold the floor. Very common at some public meetings where activists are present.
      A term not used so much now, as it is considered overly critical; can’t offend the ‘snowflakes’.
      
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      May 15, 2024 10:15am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    blathering, chatterboxing, jabbering, gabbling
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:08am
    - Ghost
      
      Otherwise known as an Ardern?
      
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      May 15, 2024 9:09am
      - sirknz
        
        Thought that she was closer to obfuscating.
        
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        May 15, 2024 9:19am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    Rabbit rabbit rabbit rabbit chat chat jibber jabber bunny bunny chat chat
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:09am
  - alloytoo
    
    According to Collins Dictionary:
    
    a person who talks in a voluble way, esp about unimportant matters.
    
    Ardern would be both a gaslighter and gasbagger
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:11am
    - jkt
      
      That is a charitable way to describe what she and Wokesters in general are doing.
      
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      May 15, 2024 9:56am
  - mogg
    
    Verbal diarrhoea.
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:55am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Is it ironic that all those asking on the internet, what gasbagging is, are on the internet.
      
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      May 15, 2024 10:37am
  - NothingLeft
    
    This: (Norman Finkelstein circumlocuting to Triggernometry) https://youtu.be/vQMdUeEX4PI
    
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    May 15, 2024 10:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Constant gossiping.
    yak yak yak yak all bloody day – day – day. Well that’s what my budgie used to say.
    
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    May 15, 2024 10:46am
  - Scooter
    
    BY, you know our ex PM Jacinda?, it’s what she did for 6 years until she ran out of gas and swanned off overseas where her tank was fully replenished.
    
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    May 15, 2024 7:43pm
- bennerg
  
  I’m glad that the Government / Taxpayer is not funding the Christchurch Call any more, as the whole affair was irrelevant to New Zealand culture – we were just the venue for an overseas person to express their dislike for another overseas culture.
  
  The failure of our Police in giving the perpetrator a guns licence without proper checks was the only issue for New Zealand to address. Yet we have been made to pay paid millions and made to think we are the bad people.
  
  BTW did we ever get an apology from Australia for one of their own committing the atrocity?
  
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  May 15, 2024 3:21pm
- Beach Haven expat
  
  He objected to the term then said 59 governments had signed up to be part of it. Politicians from 59 countries would be the very definition of gas bagging.
  And he seemed as quick to rile as the extremists we should be frightened of apparently.
  
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  May 16, 2024 8:34am
Dr John

The Herald reports that NZ has voted in the UN to ‘enhance the rights of Palestine’ and, by implication, Hamas:
“Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters said the resolution enhanced the rights of Palestine to participate in the work of the UN General Assembly while stopping short of admitting Palestine as a full member of the UN.

“New Zealand will make a clear statement to the UN later this morning explaining its vote, indicating that while it supports enhancing Palestine’s status at the UN, this does not amount to recognition of Palestinian statehood,” Peters said”.
There has been minimal comment in the MSM on this decision in New Zealand.
However, across the Ditch, there is outrage at Australia’s similar vote. Take a look at this editorial by Chris Kenny and substitute the word ‘Australia’ with ‘New Zealand’.
Because Kenny’s comments are also relevant here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGnHomSz23E
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May 15, 2024 8:18am
- cmm
  
  “New Zealand will make a clear statement to the UN later this morning explaining its vote, indicating that while it supports enhancing Palestine’s status at the UN, this does not amount to recognition of Palestinian statehood,”
  
  That’s not really the message that will get through though.
  
  It’s really a yes or no answer. Saying yes, but… is just going to be interpreted as yes.
  
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  May 15, 2024 8:29am
- Debsta
  
  What the fuck are we doing Peters & co? Serious question…please explain.
  
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  May 15, 2024 8:46am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I wouldn’t worry about what goes on at the UN
    
    This issue will not be resolved peacefully in the foreseeable future, ie in decades. Also the New Zealand government’s views and actions mean nothing.
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:12am
    - cmm
      
      … but we still pay for this useless bluster…
      
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      May 15, 2024 9:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Peters has been left to decide all things foreign, this is on him I would have thought
    
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    May 15, 2024 10:15am
    - mawm
      
      Peters is not New Zealand’s representative in the UN and is unlikely to have become involved unless there was a Cabinet decision to do so. Why didn’t our current representative do the voting?
      
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      May 15, 2024 12:02pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  How is the Australian position similar? Australia voted for Palestine to be a UN member. New Zealand voted NO.
  
  That seems opposite rather than similar.
  
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  May 15, 2024 9:08am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I believe both NZ and Oz voted exactly for the same motion.
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:33am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes. Thanks for the correction. 😳
      
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      May 15, 2024 9:38am
Ghost

Thankfully this wasn’t facing earth

Sunspot AR3664 just unleashed the strongest solar flare of the current solar cycle–an X8.7-category blast from beyond the sun’s western limb. X marks the spot in this image of the flare from NASA’s Solar Dynamics Observatory:

Because the sunspot is behind the edge of the solar disk, the flare was partially eclipsed. It was probably even stronger than it appeared. “X8.7” is almost certainly an underestimate of the flare’s true strength.

Space weather
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May 15, 2024 8:29am
- Simon
  
  A tax on Vit D will fix this problem.
  
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  May 15, 2024 8:34am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is it time to liquidate TVNZ ?

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2024/05/14/tvnz-is-loss-making-serves-no-public-service-due-to-bias-and-should-be-liquidated/#more-28871
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May 15, 2024 8:31am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Get rid of Tame.
  
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  May 15, 2024 8:37am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Save nearly $500K right there.
    
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    May 15, 2024 8:45am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Peters has been left to decide all things foreign, this is on him I would have thought
    
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    May 15, 2024 10:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Tame will be their first person they turn to to replace Dallow who won’t be round much longer
    
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    May 15, 2024 10:32am
- Swifty
  
  Leaving it going just provides Labour another opportunity next time they’re in power to lavish with mountains more taxpayer cash while repeating, like cavalry coming to the rescue, that “they are saving public broadcasting after x years of neglect by the Tories.”
  
  Get rid of it. Pronto.
  
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  May 15, 2024 8:47am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I occasionally watch PBS in America. It has a left bias but some good shows.
    
    Public broadcasting surely must offer shows that are neglected by commercial networks because they are not profitable? TVNZ does not meet that test. Its “news” is insufferable. All the other shows are stupid tabloid rubbish.
    
    What am I missing?
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:42am
- cmm
  
  No. It is not time.
  
  The time to do it was around 2000 when it still had value.
  
  But since we don’t have a time machine, the sooner the better.
  
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  May 15, 2024 8:54am
Cassandra

There’s speculation that Lester Levy will be appointed Chair of Health NZ. I know Lester well – brilliant appointment. He’s an outstanding manager, communicator and all-round man. Let’s hope the rumour is correct.
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May 15, 2024 8:38am
Maggie Pie

LISTEN

Ex-Labour MP tells Leyton Smith…..

“There’s something fishy with Chloe Swarbrick”

https://twitter.com/AnneCla70780917/status/1789216036035899608

(And what’s happening with DarleneTana? Assume we’re still paying her 🙁 )
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May 15, 2024 8:46am
- Ghost
  
  I think they’re waiting for their last scandal to die down before they dump her, already gone from the green party website.
  
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  May 15, 2024 8:52am
- imalwaysright
  
  Don’t worry, Low Energy LeQuesne will be all over this….
  
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  May 15, 2024 10:00am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She was still the person in the pics with the thief, she can say no it was not but yes it was, they talk about her tattoo on her arm which appears to be on view all the time now, but it’s on her under arm, the pic with the thief had her arm facing up wards. Man I would love to see her go down
  
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  May 15, 2024 10:35am
Rusty

TV THREE’s ‘The Block’ has finished for good.

Won’t miss it. Patronizing to many Kiwis struggling to buy a home watching contestants and judges turning house buying into a game show.
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May 15, 2024 8:48am
- Ghost
  
  You would have to be pretty precious to be feel that the show is patronising
  
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  May 15, 2024 8:57am
  - Rusty
    
    @Ghost – ok maybe it was the wrong word to use. Anyway my wife loved the show.
    
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    May 15, 2024 10:04am
    - kowtow
      
      Don’t apologise .
      
      Most much of what passes for entertainment and indeed “news” these days is patronising .
      
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      May 15, 2024 10:20am
- artemisia
  
  Couple of hundred production staff for The Block. Wow.
  
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  May 15, 2024 8:58am
  - RoboRob
    
    Thats what I thought! I was stunned it took that many people to make the show.
    
    I really enjoy the Block AU but the NZ version was always a very poor replica. There hadn’t been major prize money for ever and the NZ version focused more on contests then actual work and design skill. Like Mark Richardson though 🙂
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:10am
    - Ghost
      
      I’ve only ever watched the block au, but look at their set up. Each team has a cameraman, sound, producer. I doubt the same crew are with them for the full day. Then you have your builders, plumbers, etc. the comment was a couple of hundred would work on the show.
      
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      May 15, 2024 9:20am
      - MCōs
        
        The NZ version is 24/7 for 14wks with teams working through the night to get the business done.
        I don’t know, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t also have people coming along behind them fixing up their blemishes!
        
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        May 15, 2024 9:45am
- Flossie
  
  Why did you watch it then? There are alternate shows, or even the Off Option.
  
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  May 15, 2024 9:18am
- MCōs
  
  I won’t miss it either
  Only because it wasn’t my cup of tea and I only glimpsed at it occasionally. Doesn’t mean I looked down my nose at it either
  Why subject yourself to something just so you can say how much you didn’t like it.
  
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  May 15, 2024 9:34am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  They could do a recession version where a recently made redundant couple with a budget of $60 has to choose what colour to paint the front door before the mortgagee sale
  
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  May 15, 2024 12:02pm
cas

Listening to Ginny Anderson on NewstalkZB this morning made me more convinced that the theme song/campaign song for the Opposition ( Labour, Greens, Maori Party ), and for that matter the media, should be that wonderful Groucho Marx song ‘Whatever it is I’m against it”.
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May 15, 2024 8:52am
- Gravelroad
  
  It makes you wonder why these failed MP’s keep embarrassing themselves in the media by automatically being against everything.
  What the Labour Party and its hangers-on did, and pretended they would do if re-elected, was rejected by voters in the general election.
  That they still cannot accept that speaks volumes about their conceit and entitlement.
  Likewise the Tv media people need to get over their devotion to Mr Hipkins. They rush straight to him to ask what he thinks of every policy proposal that the coalition government comes up with.
  And of course he rubbishes and trivialises everything in a smart-Alec fashion – seldom with any rational thought.
  I don’t recall the media treated Mr Luxon that way when he was opposition leader. Msm couldn’t have cared less what he had to say then – or now even.
  I don’t care what Hipkins thinks.
  He is yesterday’s politician.
  
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  May 15, 2024 10:04am
- cas
  
  Sorry should have put the link up.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHash5takWU
  
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  May 15, 2024 10:08am
MCōs

International Day of the Family
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May 15, 2024 8:59am
- imalwaysright
  
  Sponsored by The Hellen Clark Foundation !
  
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  May 15, 2024 1:25pm
Maggie Pie

All very well Winston posting taxpayer funding of the ‘CHCH CALL’ will end next month.
The question now is…..what ongoing contributions will the government be making to the new and improved Wellington based ‘ARDERN FOUNDATION’?

https://twitter.com/nzfirst/status/1790193738645639390

(The ‘replies’ are quite enlightening)
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May 15, 2024 9:08am
- cmm
  
  So many questions…
  * Have we stopped handing out to the Clinton Foundation?
  * Why we need both the Clark and the Ardern foundations?
  
  It would be a supreme irony if the “Ardern Foundation” also calls itself a think tank.
  
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  May 15, 2024 9:13am
  - Gravelroad
    
    It will be called the Ardern Collective of Working Groups.
    
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    May 15, 2024 10:09am
    - rouppe
      
      Comprehensive and Progressive Collective of Working Groups
      
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      May 15, 2024 11:07am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I think adern and co were brown bagging Killary $50,000,000 a year.
    
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    May 15, 2024 1:27pm
    - Ghost
      
      No mention of the $13.7 million the key government gave to the Clinton foundation? And no, never have we given the foundation 50 million per year. It was the Ardern government that stopped funding the Clinton foundation in 2019
      
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      May 15, 2024 1:39pm
- SimonRAnderson
  
  I lodged OIAs with DPMC yesterday, asking precisely that question.
  
  I’m sure others did, too.
  
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  May 15, 2024 10:18am
- imalwaysright
  
  Are donations tax deductible?
  
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  May 15, 2024 10:26am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  None, they have their donors, philanthropists are not tax payees
  
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  May 15, 2024 10:37am
I remember when

“There is one giant, obvious, international, and gendered cause: Social media.”
This rather begs the question, is it the cause or rather a relatively major re-enforcer?
Is Social media simply building on the ground work already prepared by an over protective society?
Are the young the victims of media formats that cause ever increasing doubts about their future, resulting in worry and depression?
Is Social media just reflecting what the mainstream are already promoting?
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May 15, 2024 9:16am
Maggy Wassilieff

Religious hate speech…. (I know it when I see it).

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2024/05/brian-tamaki-s-destiny-church-notice-with-time-to-kill-tagline-extremely-concerning.html
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May 15, 2024 9:34am
- I remember when
  
  Does the statement that the Council has “no ability to stop this event because it is at a private venue,” not make Mayors and Councillors reconsider their actions?
  Why are events at public facilities more easily disrupted?
  Do they represent the will of the people?
  
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  May 15, 2024 9:51am
I remember when

Biden Hits Chinese Electric Vehicles, Chips and Other Goods With Higher Tariffs: NYT.
“The President also officially endorsed maintaining tariffs on more than $300 billion worth of Chinese goods that were put in by President Donald J. Trump.
Mr Biden criticized those tariffs as taxes on American consumers during his 2020 run for the White House.”

25% on steel and aluminum
50% on semiconductors
100% on EVs
50% on solar panels

Interesting the ways that you can prevent “Climate Change.”
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May 15, 2024 9:38am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Right so he puts 100 percent tariffs on Chinese EVs. Which allows Ford and GM to sell their rubbish EVs at inflated prices. Then the Government hands out billions in subsidies for EVs to encourage consumers to buy EVs. 🙁
  
  GM produces terrible ICE cars and they have had 100 years to get it right. Why would you buy an EV from them?
  
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  May 15, 2024 11:35am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Can’t find it now but someone posted a vid on tiktok showing rows of Tesla Superchargers all vandalised.
  Some a-hole had cut off the charging cables that connect power to the EV.
  
  No arrests yet but may have been a climate change activist.
  
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  May 15, 2024 1:01pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    A couple of metres of copper cable is worth more than a second hand tesla.
    
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    May 15, 2024 1:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Tikanga Part 6.

https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/tikanga-what-it-is-and-why-it-must-be-stopped-from-becoming-law-in-new-zealand-part-6/

Tikanga Part 5 I can’t find on Stop Co-Governance. It is on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8J4ukrnzok
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May 15, 2024 9:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There must be an algorythim thing on this blog where I get an instant downtick every time I comment.
  
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  May 15, 2024 9:44am
  - MCōs
    
    The word is *Algorithm* and the answer is Negative
    
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    May 15, 2024 9:50am
    - graham
      
      * whoosh *
      
      Right over MCōs’ head …
      
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      May 15, 2024 9:54am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        As usual!
        
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        May 15, 2024 10:39am
      - MCōs
        
        The apostrophe is followed by an s because MCōs is not plural
        
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        May 15, 2024 3:26pm
      - Manu-Rau
        
        @Mcos at 3.24: You are incorrect. If the word in question is a person’s name that ends in ‘s’, is is entirely appropriate to use an apostrophe without another ‘s’ to denote possession.
        
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        May 15, 2024 5:21pm
      - MCōs
        
        MCōs’s head is pronounced with a double s
        Refer also to this article; in particular the second set of examples
        https://www.sussex.ac.uk/informatics/punctuation/apostrophe/possessives#:~:text=An%20apostrophe%20is%20used%20in,Lisa's%20essay
        
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        May 15, 2024 5:43pm
- Grunter
  
  Again, why the down ticks? What is your alternate points of view down tickers?
  
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  May 15, 2024 11:29am
  - Mike
    
    I would respond to Steve if he were able to make his own argument rather than just link to Batchelor’s gibberish.
    
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    May 15, 2024 1:17pm
    - Grunter
      
      Mike -so what is your view on Tikanga? I’d love to read how you would logically justify putting that into NZ law and then what that means for NZ!
      
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      May 15, 2024 3:19pm
      - Mike
        
        Tikanga can be part of NZ law in the same way common law is altered, through acts of parliament or judicial decisions. Just because a common practice in NZ derives ftom Maori custom doesn’t automatically mean it can’t form part of our law.
        
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        May 15, 2024 4:52pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Please Grunter, let him destroy himself.
        Maori religion becomes part of New Zealand LAW?
        Oh wait, there is now the Waitangi Tribunal tell the highest COURT in the land (Parliament) what the GOVERNMENT can or can not do.
        We will have a little think about WHO Governs Aotearoa and WHO Governs New Zealand!!!!!!
        
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        May 15, 2024 7:08pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Anonymous downticks are like wet bus ticket coward punches.
    No self respect, and very little effect.
    
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    May 15, 2024 1:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Downticks a a badge to be worn with pride. Shows you are pissing someone off. They clearly have a problem with me saying things they don’t like.
    
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    May 15, 2024 1:44pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Its the ones who don’t say why they don’t like it who are annoying.
      The whole point of this site is to say what you think and then defend it or even, God forbid, change your mind.
      
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      May 15, 2024 2:12pm
      - Grunter
        
        I got 5+ down ticks just for asking “why all the down ticks?” 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
        
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        May 15, 2024 3:17pm
Paulus

Is it me or am I more than ever seeing a Social Revolution which actually started under Helen Clark and continued unabated under Ardern.
Socialism in all its ways is currently rife as so many people appear to object to the elected Government in anything they do and are finding ways such as the Waitangi Court of Appeal decision. What is the Waitangi Tribunal – House of Lords as what they would think nd appear supported by Lawyers whereas Parliament is still Paramount, or so we are led to believe.
Government Departments are openly defying the Coalition Government and from what we hear could not care a toss what they think.
The media are still at their worse all and every day where possible to denigrate anything being done in accordance as to the electors wishes.
Overall we are currently in a very parlous state and could believe that were an election be called a frightening left wing mixture would take over.
What is happening our youngest and brightest are off overseas and many will not return. We are seeing huge immigration numbers many of whom would appear to be as unskilled as we already have here.
It is becoming a very depressing picture, but do not know what the media, and the Labour Maori Greens expect to achieve, without destroying New Zealand.
Bearing in mind that Maori want it all now !
Maybe that is what they want – me, me, me, and sod everybody else, as we are always right.
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May 15, 2024 9:40am
- kowtow
  
  National are verymuch in the “give an inch” crowd .
  
  They seem to think they can “manage” this .
  
  They’re sorely mistaken , or are they actually reasonably comfortable with it , as evidenced by their own history of appeasement and more recently insulting language towards the majority population as expressed by their “expert” Findlayson.
  
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  May 15, 2024 10:17am
- cmm
  
  Just Helen Clark and Cindy Ardern? You forget that the John Key period plays into this too as is the current Chris Luxon period.
  
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  May 15, 2024 11:48am
- Burtland
  
  All going to plan – ask the Clark Foundation
  
  Unfortunately the right and their actors (EY, PWC etc) have been distracted by the opportunity to make a dollar, when they really needed to uproot neomarxism.
  
  The government should be deconstructing the neomarxist safe houses
  – Otago University would be a good starting point then the rest of the universities
  Defunding anything not contributing to the economy would be a good start.
  
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  May 15, 2024 1:59pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG44ZH2fObw
Could NJ Go Red
Pretty unlikely unless he spends lots of time. He could send surrogates to other states to spread the load.
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May 15, 2024 9:46am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Polls show Biden tanking in every state, the more the trial shows Trump as being right about a hit job, the more support Biden loses. Trump has quadrupled his support with black and Hispanic, he has got the young sector up to 50/60 which he failed hugely in last time, even woman are equally supporting Trump now.
  
  CNN poll had Trump leading easily in 5 of the 6 swing states which Biden won all of last time, he is leading by double digits in some of those states.
  
  For Trump to be able to get 100 k support at that rally was huge, a huge amount of boters are over the leftie bullshit from Biden, and Bidens queer lot are rebelling yelling F Joe Biden, there is every chance NJ could fall
  
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  May 15, 2024 10:54am
  - sungsamning
    
    Yeah, its looking good for him. The battleground states will likely go red. And one or two others too. With the pro-Hamas occupations, it could be 1968 all over again.
    
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    May 15, 2024 6:17pm
- Grunter
  
  If Trump gets in then the US is doomed.
  
  If Biden gets in it will be even worse…..
  
  2025 will be an ‘interesting’ year no matter what.
  
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  May 15, 2024 11:33am
  - cmm
    
    USA is completely screwed by their debt. They currently owe around $100k per man, woman and child – be they American or illegal immigrant.
    
    Every year they’re adding another $10k or so to that debt, yet they’re all complaining that life is hard. They have absolutely no idea what real poverty is.
    
    No president will fix that. No American has the stomach for the level of belt tightening required (pun or not).
    
    The politics? It’s just entertainment for the masses.
    
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    May 15, 2024 2:03pm
    - sungsamning
      
      Yes, that’s one way of looking at it. Same problem in a lot of other Western countries too.
      
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      May 15, 2024 6:18pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Why do you think Jaspinda ran? LOL!
    
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    May 15, 2024 7:10pm
- NothingLeft
  
  It’s getting near certain that Biden will be defenestrated at DNC’s August convention. His numbers are so far in the shitter with no chance of turning it around, while Trump is resurgent.
  
  Big question is who will DNC parachute in to try and win? Kamala’s a joke, Newsome has a shitty track record in California with steeply worsening homeless + debt etc, and Obama #2 doesn’t want the job. Who else has sufficient respect and profile?
  
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  May 15, 2024 12:01pm
  - cmm
    
    “Obama #2 doesn’t want the job”
    
    Nor did Cindy in 2017. All that stuff about wanting to make babies and that being incompatible with party leadership. Remember?
    
    What people say and what they do don’t necessarily align.
    
    But in this case I think they have trotted Obama 2 out a few times and nobody really warms to her. Ain’t gonna fly.
    
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    May 15, 2024 12:50pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Warms to her is — well never mind about Mike, not the Mike on Kiwiblog – the other Mike.
      
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      May 15, 2024 7:12pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Their best option is to take a loss, and rebuild, minus the woke section.
    
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    May 15, 2024 6:19pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That is what Trump does. He concentrates on the future and not so much as why America has been wrecked. We know why.
      MAGA – A. Make America Graet Again – Again. They did pretty wel after 2016. Our Alaskan host families told us thinks were looking better, and they are a mixture of Republicans and Democrats.
      
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      May 16, 2024 8:28am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YStEoLz3Xrk
We must get corporate money out of politics. I tell @JoePolish about the constitutional amendment I will pass when I’m in office to overrule the Citizens United case and prevent corporations from using politics to protect their mercantile ambitions. [Good idea. The GOP should steal it. Good luck getting around the First Amendment though.]
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May 15, 2024 9:46am
Maggie Pie

X TRENDING

Raise your hands if you’ve had enuff of this sh*t 🙁

Brave lady holds a scum sexual-deviant in a headlock for 20 minutes till police came….
after catching him filming her in the Women’s Changing Rooms!

https://x.com/LexitMovement1/status/1790471444633419955

And it’s this sort of thing Labour List MP Shaneel Halbert wants to see legalised.

SHEESH!!
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May 15, 2024 10:13am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, what shocked me was the pansy men just watched and filmed leaving it to the woman to restrain the prick.
  
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  May 15, 2024 10:29am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It’s just what it is today I&O. You’d be amazed at the number of lurkers hanging around the changing rooms at Rebel Sports most weekends. All on their phones….
    
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    May 15, 2024 10:55am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Heard that vulgar little Halbert rubbishing Peters while overseas on Friday, they then spoke to the equally vulgar Wood on Monday saying this is disgusting, stuff them, use the unisex toilets next door
    
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    May 15, 2024 11:37am
- OlderChas
  
  The link leads to a “Hmm…this page doesn’t exist. Try searching for something else.” message.
  
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  May 15, 2024 10:38am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You haven’t got one of those old beige colour computers have you Chas?
    
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    May 15, 2024 10:49am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Same
    
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    May 15, 2024 10:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hmmm, this page doesn’t exist.
  Must be real sensitive.
  
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  May 15, 2024 11:07am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It only works when you log in to X, for some reason.
  She should have given him a lesseon in good manners while he was headlocked.
  
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  May 15, 2024 12:06pm
- MCōs
  
  It’s in America not NZ
  Furthermore
  There’s something peculiar about that video
  The picture at the end shows both her and the alleged villain wearing different clothes in a different location
  In the video clip, which may or may not be staged, it’s obvious other people are involved in the production giving her a hand
  I note that some people checked with the local police and there was no record of this incident
  
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  May 15, 2024 5:58pm
Ghost

Did someone win lotto?

Stuff Group is buying the Wairarapa Times-Age Newspaper, website and associated publications from National Media Limited.

Article
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May 15, 2024 11:07am
- Jack5
  
  Stuff’s bought mastheads – news brands, all intangible assets and useless to banks as a guarantee for the working capital all enterprises need.
  
  Surely, either Stuff has:
  
  – got a mystery backer; or
  
  – the Coalition Government has given it the nod that taxpayer cash will continue; or
  
  – Stuff’s owner (originally for $1), Sinead Boucher, is building up a big pile of unprofitable media in the hope it will be too big and widespread over electorates for the Government to let it burn.
  
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  May 15, 2024 11:16am
  - Ghost
    
    It won’t be govt funding, but this is a company that was recently laying off staff in the regions.
    
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    May 15, 2024 11:21am
rouppe

Surely telling staff that their job ends today is employment law 101 failure.

People I know in the area think he’s a right arse
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May 15, 2024 11:11am
- cmm
  
  It wouldn’t be too surprising if the building develops an “electrical fault”.
  
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  May 15, 2024 1:57pm
Maggie Pie

Well known Maori stirrer Prof Marg Mutu pens letter to King Charles over….
‘lawless Pakeha behaviour’

https://rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/516795/ngati-kahu-pen-letter-to-king-charles-over-te-tiriti-o-waitangi
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May 15, 2024 11:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think she is the crazy one who wanted 6 year olds to be able to vote – could be wrong.
  Anyway this Treaty and principles stuff – the first 5 or 6 principles were introduced by idiot Geoffrey Palmer in 1989.
  How about explaining yourself Palmer? You started this shit.
  
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  May 15, 2024 12:19pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    S.O
    He told me to fuck off once.
    I was outside drilling core samples on the upper ring of the Beehive when he was the PM.
    The vibrating window caught my eye and I looked up to see him and some woman banging the window and berating me.
    As a result of my lip reading skills I drilled another core. Can’t have too many cores!
    
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    May 15, 2024 1:46pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That’s the sort of shit I wpould do!
      
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      May 15, 2024 2:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump Lawyer Alina Habba 3 hours ago.
Trump is still gagged from speaking the truth. Will Cohen cave under Oath?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNgymdf0h3A
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May 15, 2024 12:50pm
- Mike
  
  No.
  Will Trump testify?
  
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  May 15, 2024 1:21pm
  - Ghost
    
    Will he proclaim “I did not have sexual relations with that woman”. Oh wait that’s already been done
    
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    May 15, 2024 1:28pm
    - Mike
      
      He won’t testify because of the ‘perjury trap’, aka an inability to avoid incriminating himself or lying when under oath.
      
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      May 15, 2024 1:34pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Isn’t there something about Pleading the 5th?
        
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        May 15, 2024 2:35pm
      - Mike
        
        Steve, no one can force him to give evidence. But giving his evidence is the best way he could prove he approved the payoff for his family’s sake (icky, but only a misdemeanor) instead of to improve his election chances (still icky, but a felony).
        Problem is, he can’t give evidence withoout lying and would not be able to endure the humiliating cross-examination.
        
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        May 15, 2024 2:41pm
      - fernglas
        
        He can take the fifth but is on record as saying that to do so was “disgraceful” (although that hasn’t stopped him from doing so in a New York civil deposition recently.) It’s not perjury that would bother me as his lawyer; it’s his inability to stick to the story. He is liable to say anything under pressure and would be completely unpredictable and uncontrollable. I bet they signed him up to a promise not to give evidence before even opening the file.
        
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        May 15, 2024 4:17pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yeah, but that line works, especially when you have a good wife….
      
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      May 15, 2024 1:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How can he testify? He is gagged.
    
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    May 15, 2024 1:38pm
    - Mike
      
      He’s not gagged in that way. He can give evidence if he wants (well, if his lawyers can’t persuade him not to).
      
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      May 15, 2024 2:43pm
    - fernglas
      
      He is gagged from certain public comments. He is free to give evidence about anything relevant. The problem would be stopping him from giving evidence about irrelevant stuff. It may look good to his supporters, but it looks bad to jurors.
      
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      May 15, 2024 4:20pm
Ghost

What a weird looking portrait

All the hidden details you missed in King Charles’ first official portrait since his coronation

Why does it make me think of This
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May 15, 2024 12:51pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Can’t wait for the movie!
  (How did they get the baby blood to stay so red?
  Baking soda?)
  
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  May 15, 2024 2:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I like the painting.
  
  The artist has captured KC’s chubby hands rather well.
  
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  May 15, 2024 2:05pm
  - greybeard
    
    I think it is great: it refers to the standard red colour of the great British Empire.
    
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    May 15, 2024 6:45pm
  - julesnzuk
    
    He doesn’t have chubby hands. Bit of a puerile comment.
    
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    May 15, 2024 11:05pm
- julesnzuk
  
  I like it. It’s striking, original and the work on the face is exquisite. Most of the naysayers are just boring trolls. They certainly wouldn’t make an art critic’s a-hole.
  
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  May 15, 2024 11:04pm
Maggie Pie

Just shot down to Farros to get some Olive Oil to dip our buns in.
Don’t know what’s going on, but the price is now nearly $130 a ltr!
Used to be about half that.
No wonder you hear the poor benes moaning about the cost of food 🙁
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May 15, 2024 1:10pm
- imalwaysright
  
  I’m still getting over your $60 hot cross buns.
  Christ knows what you are dipping in this.
  
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  May 15, 2024 2:03pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not the HCB’s silly!
    Just the Yarrows Par Bake White Rolls 😀
    
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    May 15, 2024 2:17pm
    - wsk12345
      
      Saw them on clearance at countdown. Full of emulsifiers and stabilisers and all that crap. Put them back, even at $4
      
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      May 15, 2024 2:47pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        But they’re DELISH! 15min @200c, crunchy on top and soft centers.
        Oceans of melted butter or dipped in Oil and washed down with a Pinot – HEAVEN.
        
        6 bucks at NW.
        
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        May 15, 2024 3:49pm
cmm

Sometimes I wonder whether the Middle East shouldn’t just take their shit show to Cape Town for a fact finding visit there.

Cape Town has had a vibrant multi-cultural/multi-religious society including Muslims and Christians for 300+ years. Admittedly, until the early 1800s most of those Muslims were slaves, but that’s still 200 years during which there has been relative peace and harmony between people of different faiths.

What are they getting right?
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May 15, 2024 1:48pm
Maggie Pie

Thort this worth sharing…

NewstalkZB reporting a notorious ‘drug-kingpin’ has been freed while on his way to a French jail. Armed gunmen shot and killed 3 guards and wounded 2 others when they hijacked the Prison Van he was being transported in.

This vid just landed in my X feed which captured the whole sickening event…

https://x.com/JacquesCardoze/status/1790405860771987487

To make things worse, looks like it was raining cats & dogs as well.
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May 15, 2024 2:13pm
cmm

It is gutting to see so many hives having to be destroyed because of non-clinical American Foul Brood (AFB).

The article says that 0.5% of NZ beekeepers have reported AFB. I doubt the number is really as low as that.

Here is Canterbury I know three beekeepers who lost hives to AFB in one year – as well as losing one myself. They must have been infected from somewhere else. This suggests to me that there are a hell of a lot more infected hives that are just off the radar.

I wonder how long NZ can continue with this AFB management policy. I think at some stage we’ll need to switch to using antibiotics like everywhere else.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/north-canterbury-honey-company-forced-to-burn-thousands-of-bee-hives-after-detection-of-american-foulbrood-disease/PCVKOSXXRZEKNAC35OIEDFWXRA/
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May 15, 2024 2:52pm
- wsk12345
  
  Our new hives keep dying of the veroa strips. Not of the mites themselves but right after the strips are replaced.
  
  Of course if we did t use strips as mandated they would die of the mite. But it’s fitting when half the hives die from the treatment.
  
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  May 15, 2024 7:21pm
David Garrett

Here’s a story on Stuff about the auction of a feather from the long extinct huia:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350278661/feather-extinct-huia-expected-sell-thousands-auction

Note the careful wording: declaring it was believed to have become extinct “due to human interaction including the introduction of predators” and then says it was declared extinct in 1907, and extinction occurred “more than 100 years ago”.

All of that together gives the reader a clear steer that the bird was rendered extinct by the actions of the evil honkey – nothing to do with the brown skinned first inhabitants of the motu.

I have just consulted an authority on such things – a long time officer of Forest and Bird – and he tells me that the huia did survive until European colonization, but because it had been widely hunted by Maori, it was reduced to small populations in remote ranges.

My friend says that European collectors – aided by eager Maori hunters – finished it off by the late 19th century. My same informant tells me that current thinking is that around 40 – yes FORTY – species of bird had been made extinct by Maori hunting by the time of European colonization.
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May 15, 2024 3:36pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Pity the silly fools who paid 8k for the last one!
  Another fine investment 😀
  
  My partner made the mistake some years back of sending an old Maori whalebone club he inherited to the Ak museum to have it dated and authenticated. Came back with all the documentation and a Y registration number written on. Means he can’t sell it out of NZ now. Wishes he hadn’t of bothered.
  
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  May 15, 2024 4:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  According to Colin Miskelly (Te Papa’s ornithologist)
  we have 53 extinct species of bird.
  
  15 of those have gone extinct since 1850.
  
  So at least 38 species were rendered extinct by colonizing Maori and their predatory travelling companions(pacific rat and dog) in a brief span of 400 years.
  
  https://blog.tepapa.govt.nz/2015/07/28/extinct-birds-of-new-zealand-part-1-a-diverse-menagerie-sadly-departed/
  
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  May 15, 2024 6:55pm
  - MCōs
    
    Hardly surprising
    They had to eat
    
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    May 15, 2024 7:25pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep,
      They didn’t have a farming culture… just subsistence hunting (and barely gatherer) and fishing ..and very poor crop cultivation methods.
      
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      May 15, 2024 7:33pm
Maggie Pie

Sooo many people on ‘X’ are all asking the same question….

“Is Jacinda’s new role as ‘Patron-of-the-Christchurch-Call-Foundation’ an honorary position, or is he being paid squillions to head it up?”

Everything is sooo murky at this stage and needs clarifying. Some people are saying they can’t believe she wouldn’t have her grubby paws out.
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May 15, 2024 3:42pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Must be an honorary position.
  She works for free but they pay her horrific expenses while she trots around the world visiting her BFFs
  Easy as ABC
  Anywhere But Christchurch!
  FFS
  
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  May 15, 2024 3:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    So will we get the 500k back that Luxo slung her then?
    
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    May 15, 2024 4:09pm
    - Ghost
      
      He didn’t give her anything, the funding for Christchurch call until next month is all from budget 2023
      
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      May 15, 2024 4:21pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Honestly ghost…where do you think that came from?
        We’d rather see it go to the front-line poilice out there putting their lives on the line! Did you not hear Mitch thios morning. He sdaid we didn’t have any money.
        
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        May 15, 2024 4:36pm
      - Ghost
        
        More than likely the funding for the Christchurch call wouldn’t go to police, nurses or anywhere. It would just be money grant didn’t add to what he was borrowing
        
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        May 15, 2024 4:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Seaplanes for Auckland to Whangarei? Why not? We have had them before – Mechanic’s Bay. The flying boats.
So the 35 minute trip is not on a plane, but it is a plane. (anyone remember the Manuwai? The Unions fucked that. Maritime Unions and the Plane Unions)
“They are zero-emission, high-speed electric wing-in-ground effect vessels developed by a team of MIT graduates and ex-Boeing engineers.”
No they are not zero emission, they run on Indonesian coal ffs.
Anyway, I am usually against any electric vehicles, but this needs looking at. Looking at from all angles. Sooner or later Auckland, and NZ will have to go NUCLEAR to carry the load.
Look at them, there they go, Greens rolling around on the floor making stupid noises and having anxiety attacks just because I said 𝙉𝙐𝘾𝙇𝙀𝘼𝙍!!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/travel/news/new-service-could-mean-35-minute-travel-between-auckland-and-whang%C4%81rei-and-it-s-not-on-a-plane/ar-BB1mok0O
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May 15, 2024 4:42pm
- kevn
  
  Maggie… They/not us gave her a gong.
  Now we will have her dragging long suffering security detail around NZ. Must be the most loathsome job.
  Just go back to Harvard.
  Those 5+ years were a nightmare for thinking NZer’s.
  
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  May 15, 2024 4:53pm
Maggie Pie

No wonder the Aussies look on us as Pasifica 🙁

Just heard their Min-of-Police talking to HDPA.
She told Heather how pleased she was to be able to send us all their low-life crims…
then pinch all our serving Police Officers.

FFS!!
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May 15, 2024 5:26pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350278629/newsable-robert-f-kennedy-jr-claims-worm-ate-part-his-brain-it-possible
I believe it !
That was the same worm which ate all of Biden’s brain some time ago.
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May 15, 2024 6:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Those worms ate part of many peoples brains.
  Do I have to tell you who????????????
  
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  May 15, 2024 7:00pm
ecco

Labour still in nzh’s pocket. Clearly, after reading Thomas Coughlan’s article this afternoon claiming that it’s Treasury’s fault and that Robertson and co didn’t know they’d run the nz economy into the ground because treasury didn’t tell them. Good grief – do you believe that? Coughlan clearly a Labour Party shill, or his editor is.

Labour were in power for 6 years and had no idea what was going on with their overspending?

Anyway the coalition should carry on with whatever they have planned for the budget. Cannot be any worse than if Labour had been re elected.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/first-warnings-of-structural-deficit-came-the-day-government-was-sworn-in-labour-warned-credit-rating-could-be-at-risk/ZATEZYM23JH47CNAOVFPPASSDM/
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May 15, 2024 7:27pm
softail 1450

Good Grief while eastern Ukraine and Gaza burn and American armed forces are being booted from Africa Anthony Blinken picks up a pizza and fiddles in a Kiev nightclub singing “keep on rocking in the free world” while playing the guitar on stage ,,Bidens administration unbelievably does the impossible by making the Ardern regime look reasonably good.
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