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Chris Nisbet

Why would Newshub direct people who stray to their website, to Stuff, claiming that’s where the biggest news is?
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July 7, 2024 8:13am
- cmm
  
  It’s squeezing the last 50 cents out of their brand recognition.
  
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  July 7, 2024 8:56am
- AitchW
  
  Perhaps that was part of the deal.
  
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  July 7, 2024 9:22am
- Paulus
  
  Can no longer find either as both as bad as each other.
  
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  July 7, 2024 10:30am
- nathie
  
  Why would Newshub direct people who stray to their website, to Stuff, claiming that’s where the biggest news is?
  
  Exactly, it made as much sense (as in little) as featuring Paula Penfold’s article in the top 3 or 4 stories about more CCP spying allegations. It was out of context (not everyone reads Stuff for context – I don’t mean people here I mean everyday NZ’ers/Maori etc).
  
  If I was running the bulletin I’d put such in-depth/feature stories as the lead items in the second news block after the first ad break (ditto Sam Hayes’ story) i.e. keep the first block of news for actual news then the second block for features and other news. Learn from the mistakes that Radio NZ made when it turned their other flagship news programmes like Checkpoint & Late Edition into a magazine type show (stopped listening as a result).
  
  Newsreader Lara Tupou was great and she read the news straight down the line without bias or gesturing (that some of Newshub’s other newsreaders did to inflict their biases on the story content).
  
  Apart from Tupou’s professionalism most of the rest of the news was let down by:
  
  *Shoddy graphics (the busy background was a distraction – most “un-news like”, looked more like a hotel lobby).
  
  *The fonts being used for “News” (as in 3 News) looked like it was designed for print, boring.
  
  *First item on the recent flooding was introduced with Stuff’s usual anti-govt headline bias (inadequate funding from the govt or such like, but that wasn’t reflected in the story at all).
  
  *First item also featured a shaky camera throughout (what were they using – a hand held cellphone)??
  
  *Their actual studio must be a “small cupboard” or something because there was no depth or panning cameras – just a constant close up type shot on the news reader. Mentioning this because this highlights the difference between a seasoned professional news broadcaster v a “cheap” podcast type setup.
  
  *The weather graphics were quite smart and appealing (well done). Except they didn’t give the temperature of the day across the nation, granted it was a quicker format but come on!
  
  I can’t believe media insiders like Shayne Curry (NZH) gave praise to the show but overlooked these obvious faults and glitches!
  
  Will I keep watching? Depends if they lift their game. Mind you they aren’t as bad as TVNZ news I suppose (will never return to watching them).
  
  Although suspect we’ll see the return of “Terrible Tova” on Monday crashing and burning the place down with her “extreme prejudice” against the Coalition Govt and immature writing style may be enough to also switch 3 News off for good as well!
  
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  July 7, 2024 10:37am
  - Jethrod
    
    Good critique!
    
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    July 7, 2024 12:00pm
- Ghost
  
  Part of the deal for stuff to provide 3 with news
  
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  July 7, 2024 11:20am
Tomtoddy

Rugby is being ruined by rushing defence. Rules need changing to make backlines stand further back – at least 2 metres further. Why bother with outside backs if they never receive the ball from set play?
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July 7, 2024 8:19am
- AitchW
  
  Absolutely agree.
  I thought the ref had a pretty good game last night, good on him for stopping play when Perenara was injured.
  One or two puzzling penalties at the end, however they didn’t change the final result.
  
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  July 7, 2024 9:21am
- pdm
  
  Well said TT.
  
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  July 7, 2024 9:37am
- pdm
  
  Bring back rucking.
  
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  July 7, 2024 9:43am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Ha! You can’t even say it 😀
    
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    July 7, 2024 10:01am
    - pdm
      
      MP – I bet the tennis girls would love that!!
      
      A bit of rough!!!
      
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      July 7, 2024 10:07am
      - peterwn
        
        They will have other things on their minds – Wimbledon.
        
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        July 7, 2024 10:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good idea. Those at the bottom killing the ball will learn quick like they used to.
    
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    July 7, 2024 10:24am
  - James Stephenson
    
    More importantly, let the team going forward keep the ball, forcing forwards to commit to the breakdown creating space out wide again. That or lose the flankers and make it a 13-man game.
    
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    July 7, 2024 4:38pm
Chuck Bird

Will President Biden Resign and Kamala Harris Take Over? Some on the Left Are Now Suggesting It

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qkCJvzQVg4
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July 7, 2024 8:19am
- cmm
  
  Almost certainly.
  If they swap in anyone else they need to repay donors and start their fundraising from scratch.
  
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  July 7, 2024 8:57am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Harris is a diversity hire who has given diversity hires a worse reputation than before she was hired. She has an intellect that even Adern would not envy.
    The donors may be, and probably are, very keen to get her out of the picture.
    If she and Biden both resign then I think the Speaker is next in line.
    
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    July 7, 2024 9:40am
    - Mike
      
      Sure, Biden and Harris would resign so that Mike ‘biblical republic’ Johnson could be president for a few months.//
      
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      July 7, 2024 10:07am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      “I think the Speaker is next in line.”
      
      The Speaker is a Republican.
      
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      July 7, 2024 10:32am
      - RichardX
        
        True but still next in the line of succession so unlikely to be used as a Democrat strategy.
        
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        July 7, 2024 10:36am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yes
        Still gets the job though- 3rd in line for succession.
        If Trump and Pence had died then it would have been Pelosi- shudder.
        Harris wont resign, not sure Biden will either the way he’s digging in. Sorry, the way Dr Jill is digging in.
        
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        July 7, 2024 10:39am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Sorry I misunderstood the comment. I thought the discussion was about who would be the presidential candidate, not who would become president if Biden and Harris both resigned from office.
        
        It is most unlikely that Biden would step down before January, should he decide not to run for a second term. If he did so, it is fanciful to think that Harris would also step down and hand over the presidency to a Republican speaker.
        
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        July 7, 2024 11:20am
    - Handyman
      
      If Biden resigns and Harris becomes the president then, as president, she would immediately choose a vice president.
      The succession rules are there for concurrent deaths. It does not apply in the situation of concurrent mental incapacity.
      
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      July 7, 2024 11:32am
      - alwyn.a
        
        ” she would immediately choose a vice president.”.
        Not quite. She would nominate someone for the Senate to consider as the VP. The Senate has to agree to the nominee. That person would probably be agreed to but there could be problems.
        I have no idea what would happen if the then President, Harris, was to die before any vote on the nominee was held.
        
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        July 7, 2024 12:12pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Yah. The West Wing actually had to write this into their scripts for the final episodes of their last season because the actor playing the Democrat VP actually did die!!!! And he’d played the CoS from the beginning I think?
        
        Anyway, lemons from lemonade, one of the post-election episodes was all about the procedures that had to be followed to get a new VP. A bit like a Supreme Court justice except the President nominates and then the whole Congress gets to make the call (not just the Senate as with SCOTUS).
        
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        July 7, 2024 2:47pm
- peterwn
  
  Looks like the men in white coats will have to take him off stage first.
  
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  July 7, 2024 10:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So Big Mike is now not running. Barack wants a 4th term.
  Joe and Jill and Hunter are now desperate for a Democrat win. If it all fails the Biden family will be prosecuted. The Ukraine deals, the Chinese deals. It is not just Joe and Hunter, it includes about 12 of the extended crooked family.
  Who knows what other Democrats will go down if Joe does not win.
  The cheating game is starting.
  
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  July 7, 2024 11:05am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    Who is Big Mike? Please don’t tell me that this is a reference to Michelle Obama.
    
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    July 7, 2024 11:22am
    - Inandout
      
      BY, you jest surely?
      
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      July 7, 2024 11:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      OK, I won’t tell you.
      
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      July 7, 2024 12:33pm
- Handyman
  
  Here is a scenario I haven’t seen.
  Biden loses the election on Nov 5 but is still president until Jan 20 (to allow electors of the electoral college time to travel on horseback to Washington from all 13 states).
  
  Would Biden resign and allow the democrats to claim having the first woman of colour as president? I know – unlikely.
  
  Also unlikely, is my preferred strategy for Trump. In his acceptance speech at the convention promise to retire at 80 (his third year) and allow VP Tulsi Gabbard to become the first woman president. He should be sure to invite Hilary and Harris to the swearing in ceremony; the look on their faces will be priceless.
  
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  July 7, 2024 1:22pm
- Jake Dee
  
  The Manifold prediction market has Kamala Harris at ~34% to take the Democratic nomination. That’s up from ~5% from a week ago.
  https://manifold.markets/MarketManagerBot/will-kamala-harris-be-the-democrati
  
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  July 7, 2024 3:21pm
John Loveridge

There’s something ugly about Golriz Ghahraman’s continued attempts to rehabilitate her public image and paint herself as a victim. The narcissism is strong in this one.
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July 7, 2024 8:20am
- pdm
  
  Is it Golriz driving it?
  
  Or is it the lefty Media Luvvies?
  
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  July 7, 2024 10:08am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Bit of both I reckon. She will have reached out to her “friends” in the media, or they reached out to her. It’s an orchestrated thing. The angle has been carefully engineered.
    
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    July 7, 2024 12:57pm
- AitchW
  
  I suspect that she’s struggling to come to terms with the fact that she’s even more irrelevant now than when she was a list mp in a minor opposition party.
  Add to that the fact that she can’t defend war criminals any more and that she’s shadowed every time she goes into a clothing store (those that she’s not trespassed from) and the walls must be losing in.
  Oh dear, how sad, never mind. As ye sow, so shall ye reap….
  
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  July 7, 2024 10:56am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    I don’t know whether she will get a practicing certificate as a lawyer. Even if she did, who would hire her? She will also have great difficulty in travelling to take up overseas gigs in sympathetic institutions.
    
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    July 7, 2024 11:25am
    - AitchW
      
      I suppose it depends on if the Law Society does DEI applications.
      Who would hire a convicted shoplifter as their lawyer?
      Perhaps the LS could make it a condition of her practising certificate that she discloses her conviction to any potential client…
      
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      July 7, 2024 1:19pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Who would hire a convicted shoplifter as their lawyer?
        
        Well, perhaps not as a practising lawyer, but I suspect one of the Universities will find a gig for her.
        
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        July 7, 2024 3:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What is it with the left and Tax increases?
Pocahontas wants a hike. Crazy to bring this up when the Election is 4 months away.

https://patriotpowerednetwork.com/elizabeth-warrens-tax-hike-crusade-draws-criticism-from-moderates-and-conservatives-alike/?
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July 7, 2024 8:20am
- imalwaysright
  
  And in London , Khan is going to charge EVs a 15 pound a day levy to drive in London .
  Starmer will be much worse.
  Apparently the rich are leaving Britain.
  
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  July 7, 2024 9:04am
  - Mike
    
    Has Sunak moved back to California yet?
    
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    July 7, 2024 10:07am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Where does he own bolt holes? Only the UK? Thought not.
      
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      July 7, 2024 4:24pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Is that just EVs or all cars?
    
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    July 7, 2024 11:08am
    - imalwaysright
      
      As well as ice vehicles that already pay fees.
      
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      July 7, 2024 11:25am
      - imalwaysright
        
        S.O
        
        https://www.visitlondon.com/traveller-information/getting-around-london/congestion-charge
        
        Vehicle charges for London
        
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        July 7, 2024 12:08pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        So the freeloaders have to pay the same now – how rude!
        
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        July 7, 2024 12:34pm
- AitchW
  
  It’ll play well with her followers, eat the rich and all that….
  
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  July 7, 2024 9:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Warren is mad. Tax mad.
    
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    July 7, 2024 11:10am
    - AitchW
      
      Show me a lefty who doesn’t love taxes.
      
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      July 7, 2024 11:24am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They just don’t comprehend that a Tax break means more disposable income which when spent stimulates the economy and the Govt gets more GST. There is a limit of course.
        What is the matter with them?
        
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        July 7, 2024 12:37pm
      - AitchW
        
        Sorry SO, reported when I meant to reply.
        You asked what is wrong with them.
        They’re lefties.
        They’re greenies.
        They worship Ardern and her lefty mates.
        They screech “from the river to the sea” on demand.
        They uncritically swallow the “global boiling” narrative.
        They believe that “tax is love”. ( But only when it’s someone else paying the tax. )
        Orange man bad.
        Need I go on?
        
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        July 7, 2024 1:27pm
Tomtoddy

If it was ever possible the US Presidential election is slipping even further now into nastiness, childish claims and ugliness.

World politics is now dominated by elitism. Elected individuals think they have some ‘divine right’ to hold their office and can treat the plebs like crap. A little humility and recognition of democratic principles wouldn’t go amiss.
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July 7, 2024 8:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The cheating game has now just started.
  
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  July 7, 2024 11:11am
Taieri

Elected individuals think they have some ‘divine right’ to hold their office and can treat the plebs like crap.
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They always have…
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July 7, 2024 8:32am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe Biden is really going downhill now.
He and his admin will not swallow their pride. They are stubborn now.

https://americanvoterpolls.com/biden-debate-flop-sees-trump-surge-in-battleground-states/
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July 7, 2024 8:34am
- Vinicius
  
  Remember Joe said in the ABC interview said he only listens to God when it comes to taking advice about his candidacy!
  
  No fool like an old fool.
  
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  July 7, 2024 8:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He is listening to Jill and Hunter now. The Biden family must be saved or they go down big time.
    
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    July 7, 2024 11:15am
    - Jethrod
      
      He doesn’t realize that they aren’t God.
      
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      July 7, 2024 2:34pm
      - Conservatarian
        
        He’s the most pious Catholic in the US (along with Pelosi). Loves his abortion.
        
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        July 7, 2024 7:14pm
- artemisia
  
  Alex Berenson’s substack Unreported Truths is referencing the number of recent visits to the White House from a Parkinson’s disease specialist.
  
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  July 7, 2024 9:00am
  - Cassandra
    
    Aha! An Australian physician gave his diagnosis a week ago: classic Parkinson’s disease – gait, movement, voice, mental agility, the fixed stare etc. Makes sense.
    
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    July 7, 2024 9:52am
  - NothingLeft
    
    9 Whitehouse visits from an expert who “researches treatments for early phase Parkinson’s disease” between July last year and March this year (latest logs available). I’d say that’s fairly conclusive.
    
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    July 7, 2024 10:37am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The hint of a landslide appears.
To me it was always there.
Some good lyrics to “One Night in Bangkok.”

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/07/the_hint_of_a_trump_landslide_appears.html
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July 7, 2024 8:37am
wsk12345

Went to MSD office with a friend the other day. She was applying for job seeker. Sharing as I imagine that most peeps here have t seen one in decades if ever.

Talked to the security guys while in the queue. Three of them! They said they have multiple altercations per day (apparently Sydenham and Linwood are the worst in chch) but said one Auckland office goes into lockdown an average of three times per day. Imagine working there! When we were leaving we saw them ejecting one guy who kept on his bike and rode off screaming abuse. “People find it hard to accept that they are not entitled to certain things” the guard said.

What was good is that they put the applicant right onto a work “broker” who will help them with identifying and applying for jobs. The bad part was she 100% got to choose her areas of interest where they will look for jobs, sadly these did not need to be areas in which there will likely be jobs available. Will watch the process with interest.
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July 7, 2024 8:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A while back I took my partner there for the Job Seeker. Then changed to some supported allowance because she is not healthy to do 32 hours.
  The class of other visitors was shocking. The clothes! The stink of BO. The stink of dope! Glad to get out and into the fresh air, away from the filth.
  Good thing now for my partner. 9 weeks and she gets Super.
  
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  July 7, 2024 11:23am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Obama and Jill having a bit of a bitch fight.
Obama wants his 4th term.

https://patriotpowerednetwork.com/tucker-carlson-unmasks-biden-admin-tension-obama-versus-dr-jill-in-inner-circle-struggle/?
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July 7, 2024 8:43am
- imalwaysright
  
  S.O
  Jill Biden has rapidly gone from being portrayed as the loyal wife, tirelessly shepherding her husband around the world stage, to now being portrayed as a Machiavellian type puppeteer manipulating the leader of the free world!
  
  I smell a rat.
  
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  July 7, 2024 9:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That rat is Obama.
    
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    July 7, 2024 11:24am
Inandout

UK Reform got 14% of all votes and gained 1% of seats. Labour got 34% of all votes and gained 63% of seats. Such is FPP.
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July 7, 2024 9:14am
- Mike
  
  FPP is often lauded on Kiwiblog as the proper electoral system.
  
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  July 7, 2024 10:09am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    More that MMP was a “set and forget” done deal that has never been upgraded to iron out the obvious bugs. We are still lamely dealing with MMP v1.0. It’s pretty much a lucky dip in terms of outcomes. Yes FPP was probably preferable. Obviously we could do better though. Too many disinterested sheeple and too many rotten vested interests not wanting to lift a finger.
    
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    July 7, 2024 4:22pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Yes FPP was probably preferable
      
      Maybe a third referendum would go along with that. If not we could wait a while and have a fourth. The last FPP election was about 25 years ago. So anyone under 45 or so has never known anything but MMP.
      
      MMP is pretty much proportional. That for me is the most important consideration. Every vote should count. Our current MMP pretty much does that – we could probably lose the 5% thing without the world collapsing round our ears.
      
      But basically if you want 50+% of the seats you should have 50+% of the popular vote. End of ….
      
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      July 7, 2024 8:39pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        The last FPP election was 31 years ago. Time flies 😕. So only those aged over 50 have memories of it.
        
        My main concern with MMP is the clearly terrible quality list MPs we get stuck with.
        
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        July 7, 2024 10:54pm
    - ChristopherW2
      
      MMP is vastly preferable to FPP.
      
      MMP could use some tweaks ( lowering the thresholds mainly), but FPP is a 19th Century method of conducting elections.
      
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      July 7, 2024 11:47pm
  - Quail
    
    Well Mike if you enjoy being governed by 50% bureaucratic appointees enjoy NZ and MMP.
    There are other systems
    
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    July 7, 2024 6:00pm
- plc
  
  Check out the Liberal Democrats
  
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  July 7, 2024 10:40am
- mogg
  
  Lib Dems 12% of vote get 71 seats. Reform 14% of vote get 5 seats.
  
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  July 7, 2024 11:01am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Good ole FPP ….
    
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    July 7, 2024 8:40pm
artemisia

A flood of shoebox apartments? Maybe they will be able to house many of the 13,000-odd single applicants for social housing. Provided the owners don’t see them as too risky, and good luck with that.
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July 7, 2024 9:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Future slums.
  The days of 4 bedrooms and a quarter acre are gone.
  
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  July 7, 2024 11:25am
  - AitchW
    
    To be fair those days have been gone for a long time in all but the smaller towns in NZ.
    Councils are encouraging increasing density, some are doing it well, others are making a dog’s breakfast.
    I recently had occasion to visit a newish development in Hamilton. What a nightmare. Narrow streets flanked by tall skinny terraced townhouses with only one off street parkeach. Nowhere near the city centre so public transport will be useless. In a few years it’ll be a cesspit of no hopers, streets blocked with cars parked on the footpaths, houses falling down around the occupants’ ears.
    
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    July 7, 2024 12:08pm
- ChristopherW2
  
  When I lived in Japan, they had real shoebox apartments – 2 rooms: a livingroom/bedroom with kitchenette; and a toilrt with shower.
  
  My initial impression was negative until I learned how incredibly cheap they were, the equivalent (adjusting loosely for spending power) of about $75 dollars a week.
  
  An excellent choice for single workers.
  
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  July 7, 2024 11:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I checked out the curriculum for Early Childhood Centres (all 72 pages) to determine what our little tamariki have to contend with these days as they skip off to their kindies/ Play Kura.

https://www.education.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Early-Childhood/Te-Whariki-Early-Childhood-Curriculum-ENG-Web.pdf

There is a large emphasis on a bicultural approach.
Teachers are expected to be involved in the spiritual development of the children under their care.

The concepts of Tapu and mana are to be integrated into the education of the children.

And interestingly enough, the beliefs and concerns and desires of the parents/whanau are meant to be taken into account with how the education centre runs.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350334306/ministry-appears-be-acting-against-will-community-shutting-down-kindergarten-act

Perhaps someone in the Ministry of Education needs to refresh the ECE curriculum.
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July 7, 2024 9:19am
- AitchW
  
  Nothing new there Maggy. When my kids were at Playcentre 20 years ago we were supposed to abide by all sorts of weird tikanga. Not one Maori kid at the centre.
  In addition we were required to attend courses on the treaty. At one course we were told that there are 2 cultures in NZ, Maori and everything else.
  
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  July 7, 2024 9:26am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Playcentre was my education in how irrationally toxic groups of women, absent leavening influence of men, could be. The back-biting, malicious gossip campaigns and treachery I witnessed in the six months I was involved in our local branch was truly amazing – daytime soap opera level bullshit.
    
    In times since in discussing this with friends I’ve heard all sorts of stories of other organisations with high proportion of female workers (public sector particularly). They just love stirring up shit with each other, and requiring frequent interventions from ‘adults’
    
    I no longer believe that any organisation can survive without a significant proportion of men to tamp down the anti-social status-jockeying hen-pecking tendencies of women. The ‘Matriarchy’ is innately self-sabotaging.
    
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    July 7, 2024 12:55pm
    - PurplePen
      
      Had similar stories from friend at Ministry for Women. Not a happy place at all.
      
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      July 7, 2024 1:49pm
    - AitchW
      
      What I found quite ironic was that as the only father in regular attendance I was almost immediately invited to take over the position of property officer. Doing all the “blue”jobs round the centre…
      Committee meetings were dreadful, trying to get a dozen or so women to make a decision…..
      
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      July 7, 2024 2:42pm
    - Close Hen Counters
      
      Same with the stay at home mums helping out at the primary school – nasty bunch of judgey women who looked down their noses at us mums who had to be work. My son had a play date with one boy after school one day – found out his mother was testing my son on spelling to see where he sat in the class intellectual pecking order. It was grim
      
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      July 7, 2024 3:14pm
- pdm
  
  That attack by the Ministry in closing that Manawatu ECE is appalling.
  
  The woman driving the closure looks nothing more than a Maori activist,
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350334306/ministry-appears-be-acting-against-will-community-shutting-down-kindergarten-act
  
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  July 7, 2024 9:47am
- pdm
  
  Sorry Maggy I duplicated your link.
  
  Still in this case the more exposure the better.
  
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  July 7, 2024 9:48am
- Benedict Yu
  
  It is infuriating. I hope that David Seymour has them in his sights. Of course, the problem is National.
  
  “A National spokesperson said the kindergarten closure was an “operational matter for the ministry”.”
  
  Well thanks for that. 🤡
  
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  July 7, 2024 10:40am
  - peterwn
    
    This is always trotted out as an excuse by bureaucrats and Ministerial minders. The issue here is ‘POLICY’ not ‘operations’.
    
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    July 7, 2024 10:54am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Indeed. How many parents, including Maori parents, want their little kids to be taught about the role of the sky goddess?
      
      Here is an idea. Get out the archives. Find the rules that applied to these centres in 1992. Do that.
      
      Or another idea. Ask Singapore for a copy of their rules for early childhood centres. Do that. I wish I was joking.
      
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      July 7, 2024 11:31am
      - Taieri
        
        Ask Singapore for a copy of their rules for early childhood centres.
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        And for the primary and high schools…
        
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        July 7, 2024 1:02pm
      - crikey
        
        If the culture of the parents/whanau matters, I wonder how much effort is devoted to christianity? None would be my guess.
        
        All schools should be secular, unless a school is designated as having a special character giving them defined options.
        
        Secular should mean no teaching of Maori mythology, another form of pagan belief arising as a way of ‘explaining’ concepts or observations about which they have no understanding.
        
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        July 7, 2024 1:33pm
      - AitchW
        
        Surely a child’s religious education is a matter for its parents. Are parents allowed to pull kids from the Maori mythology education?
        Are Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc given equal weight? Don’t answer, we all know already.
        
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        July 7, 2024 2:45pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Yes, when something goes wrong its an operational matter, when something goes right its down to genius ministerial strategy.
      
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      July 7, 2024 11:34am
  - pdm
    
    I recall seeing David Seymour speaking out against the actions taken by the Ministry yesterday.
    
    Might even have been on last nights 1News at 6pm.
    
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    July 7, 2024 11:09am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Yes he did. But if he wants to change things, he will need to convince cabinet. At some stage in the distant past, cabinet must have approved these crazy rules about early childhood centres.
      
      They only people who must use these centres are people who work. As such they are effectively child minding centres. However they have been inflated into education centres by the teaching profession and the woke public servants.
      
      The only children who benefit from these centres are kids from dysfunctional families. If you can, my advice would be to keep your child well away from them. Make connections with like minded functional families and educate your little 🧒 children yourself.
      
      Of course if both parents need to work, that is impossible.
      
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      July 7, 2024 11:39am
      - PurplePen
        
        I know someone that works at one of them. They said after the regular visit from the govt agency that monitors them the report from the agency said they didn’t have enough brown kids. Difficult as it would require a change to the neighbourhood demographic.
        
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        July 7, 2024 1:53pm
- Surely Knott
  
  And if you look at the website of the kindy that was shut down. They lead with Kia Ora a pic of what appears to be a child with some Maori ancestory on the home page and is all about culture. .
  
  The philosophy document of the kindy begins with a Maori metaphor and is peppered with Maori language and words like Whanau etc.
  
  “COUNTRY KINDY’s philosophy is based on the Māori metaphor of the flax bush (te pa harakeke)
  as a whānau unit.
  COUNTRY KINDY is a family unit where teachers and parents/guardians work in partnership to
  support and form a strong foundation for children to grow into confident and competent learners.
  We believe that families are the child’s first teacher and ensure open and honest communication
  with families at all times. We welcome the wider community to be a part of the centre through
  spontaneous and organised trips into the community or by inviting the community into our centre.
  We value the support and knowledge that outside agencies and organisations offer in supporting
  and caring for our children.”
  
  Sick of these authoritarian industry regulators thought controlling NZers whether it’s forced vaccination, your cultural or political beliefs. They are routinely breaching our bill of rights.
  
  https://www.countrykindy.co.nz/cms_files/general/Philosophy.pdf
  
  [Mod – please just a paragraph or two when copying from a website]
  
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  July 7, 2024 10:51am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Only skipped in 5 pages and it mentions “partnership”
  There is no partnership in the Treaty. The propaganda needs to be erased.
  
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  July 7, 2024 11:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Why have our politicians tolerated violent attacks on our Indian and Asian small business owners?

Are their lives of less value than that of the thugs who seek to destroy them?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/indonz/521448/our-lives-don-t-matter-indian-businesses-want-action-on-violent-retail-crime
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July 7, 2024 9:24am
- CJames
  
  Maybe it has to do with the ethnicity of the attackers.
  
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  July 7, 2024 9:38am
- Paulus
  
  Jealousy as they work for a living as good citizens.
  
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  July 7, 2024 10:34am
- imalwaysright
  
  At least we should have clear and simple self defense legislation .
  It is everyone’s right to defend themselves. The current law which requires defense proportional to the threat is preventing the victim from using overwhelming force because they will be prosecuted.
  Trying to gauge a proportional response is virtually impossible for most people as they are not experienced in conflict.
  That’s assuming they even try to defend themselves, other people, and their property . Many don’t.
  
  If bad guys come through your door they should know that there is a possibility that it will be the last thing they ever do.
  
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  July 7, 2024 11:41am
  - Keith White
    
    Government wants a monopoly on violence and Cahill and Coster concur.
    
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    July 7, 2024 1:04pm
    - AitchW
      
      KW what on earth do you mean? Care to elaborate? On the face of it your claim is just dumb!
      
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      July 7, 2024 2:48pm
  - peterwn
    
    s48 of the Crimes Act (self defence and defence of others) is pretty clear. A proportionate response is one to cover the situation as the victim/ self defender believes it to be, not what some armchair thinks the situation is. Shooting an offender with a Glock is a proportionate response if you are about to be crowned with a baseball bat despite the views of so-called experts. Shooting a fleeing offender in the back or beating up an offender once sububed are well beyond a proportionate response and rightly so. Not sure how s48 can be improved in this regard. Unfortunately the cops and prosecutors try and push the boundary so the person using self defence has to hire an expensive lawyer to push back.
    Perhaps someone who has had to use self defence should say to the cops (on video if possible) ‘I feared for my life, guv’ then shut up (ie take the fifth as the Americans call it). This gives the prosecution a big headache if they want to prosecute.
    
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    July 7, 2024 2:11pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      I like the ” I feared for my life” idea.
      Keeping quiet also good advice.
      
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      July 7, 2024 6:43pm
M.Solvent

The All Blacks’ undies sponsor must be happy with the new look kit.
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July 7, 2024 9:41am
softail 1450

I just made the mistake of turning on Q&A with Jack (gotcha moment) Tame interviewing the minister of fisheries Shane Jones, FFS after little more than 2 minutes I was praying for that long sheep’s crock to emerge from stage left and drag the untalented moron from the set by his f- – -king neck ,I’m impressed that Jones didn’t stand up ,throw off the microphone and tell Tame to go f- – k himself .
Surely ,surely TVNZ must be able to find a better interviewer Than that POS prick??
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July 7, 2024 9:47am
- PurplePen
  
  He’s an award winning talent. Didn’t you know?
  
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  July 7, 2024 1:55pm
Hugh Jarse

Now that Newshub and their self appointed defenders of democracy have tottered off into the sunset, has democracy survived ?, asking for Paddy, Sam, Jenna, Amelia and Mike.
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July 7, 2024 9:57am
kevn

The USA president in waiting ready to go…
https://x.com/Chadwick_Moore/status/1808287249064177666?
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July 7, 2024 10:02am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe seems to be doing his beans a lot. He loses his shit. He is struggling with his failing mental abilities.
People who want to urge him to step down can’t even get to him because Jill and Joe’s sister Valerie are stopping them. Even his aides are afraid of him.

https://thepatriotjournal.com/biden-nightmare-just-got-worse/?
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July 7, 2024 10:07am
- Mike
  
  It’s time for the two candidates to drop out and be replaced by their fail sons. Don jr and Hunter in a televised coke snorting competition FTW.
  
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  July 7, 2024 10:12am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Nobody would probably bat an eyelid since the USA is currently an idiocracy under the dems. Just another day in crazy town!
    
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    July 7, 2024 4:27pm
- mogg
  
  One of the symptoms of dementia is getting angry and frustrated because you cannot remember what you want to say.
  
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  July 7, 2024 11:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is very hard to deal with a person who has this condition.
    I had it with my Partner’s Father. He did not recognise his Daughter or Wife.
    I was the only one.
    
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    July 7, 2024 11:52am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  He’s always been a nasty piece of work, so all that has changed is that it’s starting to leak out now that he is an advanced dementia sufferer, rather than just a venal con-man with a vicious, sadistic streak.
  
  Next few weeks are going to be entertaining. My bet is they will have to pull a Scalia and he will pop off “peacefully in his sleep”.
  
  The nation will mourn, and Kamala will need to hire a food taster and avoid campaigning in Arkansas…
  
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  July 7, 2024 11:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I do think she will make an appearance soon.
    She never got over 2016.
    
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    July 7, 2024 11:55am
Maggie Pie

My partner just re-tweeted this from a friend in South Africa.
God only knows what this guy did… but doesn’t look like he got any discounts.

https://x.com/k9_reaper/status/1809164683435208789
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July 7, 2024 10:12am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Presume that is what qualifies as a cultural assessment?
  
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  July 7, 2024 11:03am
- mogg
  
  Like the old ‘Andy Cap’ cartoon, well before your time:
  “Now will you go to church on Sundays”?
  
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  July 7, 2024 11:08am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  It looks like our country’s Corrections Policy circa 1765.
  
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  July 7, 2024 12:06pm
Pope Punctilious II

Feel like reading a good horror story? Well here’s a real chiller: the MOE’s “Relationships and Sexuality Education” guide for teachers.

Our kids are getting a diet of unadulterated social justice propaganda and radical gender ideology. The coalition agreement with NZF requires the removal of this crap from the curriculum – write to Erica Stanford to ask her why it’s apparently still being taught.
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July 7, 2024 10:12am
Dougal10

I have been subjected to the latest green rip off scheme this week. Bought 4 tyres for a 15 year old tractor , about $1500 each. Was charged a $62 each fee for stewardship that was recorded against the number plate. The old ones incurred a disposal fee as scheme is newish . When it needs new tyres in 20 years time my bet is there will be no records of it in the scheme and I will need to pay disposal fees again. It feels like a $250 dollar tax with no benefits.
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July 7, 2024 10:19am
- Handyman
  
  In the next twenty years all existing fibreglass/carbon windmill blades will need to be replaced. They degrade to have health effects akin to asbestos, (or stone benchtops) so cannot be chipped or cut up into little pieces. They cannot be recycled because they cost a fortune to transport to the custom recycling facility.
  
  — There is no plan on where or how to bury these enormous items.
  — There is no bond paid by developers to pay for it (as required for gas/oil producers and regular farmers buying tyres).
  — There is every likelihood the windfarms will be abandoned after the subsidies run out. Or worse, “sold” to gullible local councils.
  
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  July 7, 2024 12:26pm
- PurplePen
  
  Keep the receipt.
  
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  July 7, 2024 1:58pm
Surely Knott

Relative applying for a government/council job. Application requires State your primary ethnicity.?!!!???!!

Choices include British, Eastern European, Irish, Pacifica, NZ Pakeha, Maori etc etc

And then there is a location for any secondary ethnicities to be written.

What is going on NZ. Why are we having to state our ethnicity? Thought this was a protected characteristic.

But also interesting that employers are using different racial categorisation than the govt.

In govt stats if you have one Maori ancestor you are Maori. But in the job ad you are forced to put what your “primary” race/ethnicity. But this job ad is more quantum blood theory with your most dominant ethnicity your ethnicity.

And if you are a white NZer you get called Pakeha. Despite living in NZ for generations we still are not an ethnicity in our own right. We are simply other.

But when Maori arrived from south east asia / pacific destinations how long before they were able to be called Maori and not called by the old country they came from.

After 8 plus generations and only one legal passport with NZ. Shouldn’t we be entitled to be called NZers. Not Pakeha. Not not Maori.
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July 7, 2024 10:44am
- Benedict Yu
  
  France gets many things wrong. But a good thing is the prohibition on the government collecting any information on ethnicity.
  
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  July 7, 2024 11:58am
- MCōs
  
  It’s illegal in NZ to ask a job applicant their ethnicity
  https://www.careers.govt.nz/articles/illegal-job-interview-questions/
  
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  July 7, 2024 12:50pm
  - graham
    
    But it is becoming increasingly common for large companies to ask their employees to update their personal profile to identify their ethnicity, their gender, and other such details.
    
    All voluntary of course, but employees are often ‘encouraged’ to ‘participate’, and I know of at least one company where prizes were on offer for doing this.
    
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    July 7, 2024 7:22pm
- Dave
  
  Presumably, there are unspoken diversity quotas operating here.
  
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  July 7, 2024 12:58pm
- PurplePen
  
  Have them tick Maori. They can’t ask you to prove it, you don’t need to know your iwi nor tribe as some Maori don’t. It gets you on all sorts of advantage lists.
  
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  July 7, 2024 2:00pm
greybeard

I hope that in future that Damian McKenzie stops his silly camera-centric smirking before he attempts any more kicks. What a tosser.
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July 7, 2024 11:13am
- Biscuit
  
  1 uptick, 2 downticks as I type.
  
  The downtickers APPROVE of his antics?
  
  Two missed conversions, that non-penalty, what could you POSSIBLY uptick?
  
  (I’m upticker No. 2, greybeard!}
  
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  July 7, 2024 12:09pm
  - AitchW
    
    There are a few serial down tickers who down tick pretty much every post regardless of merit. They pretty much invalidate the downtick, who knows if they are genuine or simple malice?
    
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    July 7, 2024 12:30pm
    - peterwn
      
      Mathematicians and scientists call this sort of thing ‘noise’ or ‘noise level’. The average ‘noise level’ for Kiwiblog downticks would be 2 – 3.
      
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      July 7, 2024 1:50pm
- newview
  
  Agree greybeard. Looks dopey especially when he misses. Having said that the ref gets to check his watch but the player doesn’t. If the ref is going to make close time calls down to the second the player should be able to see that countdown on the score board.
  
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  July 7, 2024 12:09pm
  - MCōs
    
    In American sport where the expression ’shot-clock’ comes from there are actual countdown clocks on public display both at the playing arena and on TV
    Cricket’s the same for the referral system.
    Rugby’s problem is there’s supposed to be 5sec from when the ref sings out to clear the ball, which is often ignored
    So if there’s a physical shotclock for kicks there should be one for scrums, lineouts, use-the-ball and that’s not practical
    As for Damian McKenzie’s mannerisms; they all have something that’s irritating. Sure he missed a couple of difficult conversions last night & was timed out, but we won the game. Their bloke missed some much easier kicks that would have won England the game.
    In my opinion half back is a problem
    
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    July 7, 2024 12:44pm
    - Grumpy Silver Top
      
      There seems to be a problem for all kickers at Forsyth Barr. Often the most skilled kickers miss. Is it the foreshortened “horizon”, the surface? Any ideas?
      
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      July 7, 2024 1:13pm
- RichardX
  
  greybeard
  I hope that in future that Damian McKenzie stops his silly camera-centric smirking before he attempts any more kicks. What a tosser.
  
  JULY 7, 2024 11:13AM
  
  Maybe if you knew anything about high performance sport and / or paid attention to any kicker at international level you would have noticed the importance of a repeatable process that ensures the right frame of mind to take the kick.
  
  To claim this is “camera-centric” would require evidence.
  
  As far back as 2015 Mackenzie commented on his kicking process stating “I’ve done a bit of work with our mental coach at the Chiefs and I’ve sort of had some trouble with my kicking in the past,” a chuckling McKenzie told ESPN on Wednesday. “It’s sort of a way to try and block things out and to help take each kick as just another kick; it stops me from feeling too much pressure and relaxes me a bit more.”
  https://www.espn.com.au/rugby/story/_/id/15341717/damian-mckenzie-smiling-assassin-kicking-goals-chiefs
  
  Here are some of the more idiosyncratic kicking styles from Jonny Wilkinson, Owen Farrell, Dan Biggar, Quade Cooper and Rob Cook.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76jS6GBOWxA
  
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  July 7, 2024 5:59pm
  - greybeard
    
    “a repeatable process that ensures the right frame of mind to take the kick.” would surely include a knowledge of, and awareness of, any time limitations pertaining to that kicking process. McKenzie is an experienced All Black, and there are no excuses for his milking the time for a penalty shot almost at full time.
    I stand by my comments about his smirking for the cameras: who whom else might he be doing this ?
    
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    July 7, 2024 6:37pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      I agree with you Grey. He looks like he’s trying to manufacture a “quirk”.
      
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      July 7, 2024 6:55pm
    - RichardX
      
      Thanks for confirming you have no evidence to support your opinion and your opinion means more to you than Mackenzie’s own words on his process as well as introducing a factor you didn’t include in your original comment.
      
      We’re lucky the English couldn’t move the goalposts like that or Mackenzie would have missed every shot.
      
      I’m never disappointed if I expect flawed epistemology.
      
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      July 7, 2024 8:03pm
      - Biscuit
        
        RichardX, okay, so Mr MacKenzie for several years has used the smile as part of his relaxation technique.
        
        Good for him if it has worked for him.
        
        But…
        
        Times change…
        
        And referees are now somewhat loath to allow such game-delaying tactics.
        
        Has anyone asked young Damian what he proposes doing in future? I mean, I see no place for him as a Test goalkicker if he runs the risk of being ‘timed out’…
        
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        July 7, 2024 9:34pm
lifesgood

I’ve had enough! I am 4th generation New Zealander, my kids are 5th, my grandchildren 6th. Our ancestry is English, Irish and Scots. We do not have an ounce of Maori blood in us. So why, oh why are we being forced into becoming pseudo Maori? I do not want to learn the language, I am not the least bit interested in their fables and taniwha or this newly discovered Matariki thing,(sorry the Greeks got there first). Over my life I have been forced to sit through endless rambling Maori speeches and ceremonies and all this “Aren’t we inclusive ” stuff and yet virtually every time a quick scan of the room will show not one person understands or cares what’s going on. There is always a lot of bored, eye rolling irritation as far as I can see. Yes, I am all for Maori maintaining their culture, just as I’m all for Indians, Polish, Croatians etc doing the same but for the love of God stop forcing it on me. You cannot turn non Maori into Maori but I have the feeling that’s what they are trying to do and I’m sick of it.
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July 7, 2024 11:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Best you have a look at http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
  There are 160 different cultures in NZ – but only one special one.
  
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  July 7, 2024 12:03pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  To answer your question. Jacinda amended the Public Service Act to place heavy responsibility on the public service to promote the Treaty and a partnership. It goes further to require the promotion of te ao Maori, or the Maori world view, to everyone.
  
  I recommend that you Google the Act. You will get the picture in a 15 minute browse.
  
  Things would change if that Act were repealed and replaced with a new Act requiring a secular public service. Then pass the ACT Treaty Principles Bill.
  
  Put simply, if National does not act to change things, then nothing will change. Chris Luxon has no intention of acting as I suggest.
  
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  July 7, 2024 12:08pm
  - Souvlaki
    
    Yes Benedict, I’m sure you’re correct re Luxon.
    
    Why would any younger, intelligent and aspirational person wish to stay in New Zealand under such adverse conditions….kow- towing to a neolithic, on the whole,backward looking culture…..being lectured to by people who in reality are mostly nincompoops ?
    If I were not too old I’d piss off myself.
    The cave dwellers in Lascaux, France, were more advanced, 40,000 years ago !
    
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    July 7, 2024 1:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Chris Luxon is a Maori Activist. he does not know he is but prove me wrong.
    
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    July 7, 2024 5:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You cannot turn non Maori into Maori but I have the feeling that’s what they are trying to do
  
  Only up to a point…
  
  When a pakeha becomes too learned in Maori ways and language, they’re told in no uncertain terms to get back into their own lane.
  
  He withdrew from the field following complaints by some Māori that Pākehā should be leaving Māori to tell their own stories.
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/speech/47710/writing-maori-history
  
  So I would say that if you are a reo-speaking Pākehā, wait for an indication that the other person wants to korero Māori with you, or even talk about it in English.
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/17-02-2021/some-thoughts-about-pakeha-learning-and-speaking-te-reo-maori
  
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  July 7, 2024 12:39pm
  - greybeard
    
    This epithet “pakeha” really pisses me off.
    If you are not a “maori”, are you therefore a “pakeha” ?
    If you are Asian, Inuit, Australian aborigine, South American native, Mongolian, African of many persuasions, are you therefore “pakeha” ? Because you are not “maori” ?
    Of course not. Maori were never aware of these other races until Europeans came on the scene and maori were able to travel the world and be made aware.
    No. Maori refer only to we white people as “pakeha”, in a descriminatory and offensive way.
    I will never consider myself a “pakeha”.
    And I will never acknowledge anywhere known as “Aotearoa”.
    
    What a lot of crap.
    
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    July 7, 2024 12:46pm
    - Handyman
      
      When faced with this situation I always agree with the two cultures statement. “Yes, there is only pakeha and non-pakeha”.
      
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      July 7, 2024 1:27pm
- Grumpy Silver Top
  
  The earlier settlers, ie Maori, lived a stone age, tribal, warring life. There was no nation, just disparate groups. I despair that rational beings think that a bunch of troughers who have an ancestor who came from that stock gives them special status.
  
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  July 7, 2024 1:17pm
  - lifesgood
    
    I have a friend who works as a tour guide. He got admonished by his boss for saying that Maori were stone age, but they were, so it seems even telling the truth is forbidden now.
    
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    July 7, 2024 1:46pm
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      It’s more diplomatic (and more accurate) to say “Neolithic”.
      
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      July 7, 2024 3:35pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Stone age. They had no ‘wheel.’ They had no ‘shoes.’
    They had ‘slavery.’ They had no written language.
    They had many weapons – as did the stone age people.
    So where is this leading as regards to some “special status?”
    
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    July 7, 2024 5:41pm
Swifty

A recent speech that should be compulsory viewing for all National MPs and in fact all NZ school children.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HQHn_RivO2Q
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July 7, 2024 11:56am
- MCōs
  
  Nothing from a political party, least of all a failure from a foreign country, should be compulsory viewing
  
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  July 7, 2024 6:02pm
Bridgenag

SENT TO ME

N.Z. DIVORCE AGREEMENT (Somewhat dated but still has relevance) Dear New Zealand Labourites, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Bolger, Marxists and Palmer, Mahuta, Ardern et al: We have stuck together since the late 1950’s for the sake of the kids, but the whole of that latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course. Our two ideological sides of New Zealand cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let’s just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way Here is a model separation agreement:
Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes. We don’t like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the NZCTU, the Fabian Society and every member of Jacinda’s List. Since you hate guns and war, we’ll take our firearms, the cops and the military. We’ll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and you can go with wind, solar and biodiesel. You can keep the media left wingers and Hone Harawira. You are, however, responsible for finding an electric vehicle big enough to move all of them.
We’ll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Foodstuffs and the Stock Exchange. You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, dole bludgers, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies etc. We’ll keep the budgie smuggling, bike riding volunteer firemen and lifesavers, greedy CEOs and rednecks. We’ll give you Maori TV and the Greens. You can make peace with Iran, Palestine and the Taliban and we’ll retain the right to stand up and fight when threatened. You can have the greenies and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we’ll help provide them security. We’ll keep our Judeo-Christian values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Willie Jackson. You can also have the U.N. But we will no longer be paying the bill.
We’ll keep the 4WDs, utes and V8s. You can take every hybrid hatchback you can find. We’ll keep “A Dog Named Blue” and the non-Maori original version of our National Anthem. I’m sure you’ll be happy to keep in tune with Peter Garrett as he sings “Imagine”, “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing”, “Kum Ba Ya”, “We Are The World” and his recent big solo hit, “Beds and Batts are Burning”.
We’ll practice trickle-down economics and you can continue to give trickle-up poverty your best shot. Since it so often offends you, we’ll keep our history, our name and our flag. Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like-minded conservative New Zealanders and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I’ll bet you answer which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.P.S. Also, please take Phil Goff, Debbie Anne Ngarewa-Packer, Rawiri Waititi, Marama Davidson, Golriz Ghahraman, Chloe Swarbrick, John Tamihere, Willie Jackson and Hone Harawira with you.
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July 7, 2024 1:13pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  They can take the HRC, John Key and Chris Finlayson too.
  
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  July 7, 2024 3:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oh you are so awful.//
  
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  July 7, 2024 5:51pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Sounds like a plan. North Island to the treaty “partnership” people, hippies and wokesters and South Island for those who don’t want a bar of it?
  
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  July 7, 2024 6:19pm
Maggie Pie

It must have been something you said DG? 😀
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July 7, 2024 2:52pm
NZer In Exile

Once again for the climate alarmists /net-zero cultists!

Nigel Farage takes apart the arguments for Net Zero.

https://x.com/AvonandsomerRob/status/1807687079918256358?mx=2
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July 7, 2024 6:17pm
Ghost

A good article for those who can read it. He talks about his struggle with mental health, his son’s suspected suicide. Worth the read

His care for the mental health of farmers and rural communities inspired Act list MP Mark Cameron to enter Parliament. Then he lost his beloved son, Brody, in May to a suspected suicide. He shares their father-son story with deputy political editor Thomas Coughlan and recounts his recent painful return to Parliament.

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