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NeverMindTheBollocks

The reconstructive breast surgery waiting list is 2-5 years, while most breast cancer survivors don’t even make it onto the list.

In a long article, not a word as to how many slots are taken by male-to-female gender-swappers.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/525516/breast-cancer-patients-waiting-years-for-reconstruction-surgery-it-destroyed-me
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August 19, 2024 8:01am
- Keith White
  
  This does not list breast augmentation for XYs to XX outward appearance specifically – but gives a good idea of the waste of expertise and tech these weirdos deprive normal people of.
  
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  August 19, 2024 9:08am
  - imalwaysright
    
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    Apparently hormone drugs for women are in short supply because the trannys are popping them like Maltesers.
    
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    August 19, 2024 10:05am
    - Ghost
      
      No.
      
      Demand for HRT has increased massively. That’s not just here in Aotearoa, but all over the globe, with shortages being documented in the UK, Canada, Australia and Europe. This is likely due to GenX women hitting their late 40s and 50s, learning more about menopause and HRT, and general education and awareness about menopause growing.
      
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      The manufacturers of HRT patches are having issues. They include unspecified ‘manufacturing issues’; having failed to anticipate increased demand, and a complex web of supply-chain complications stretching from soybean fields in China to manufacturing plants in Europe. It all adds up to not enough patches to go around.
      
      Australia’s supply of the drug has been limited since before Christmas with “manufacturing” to blame, according to the regulator.
      
      Article
      
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      August 19, 2024 10:30am
      - sirknz
        
        having failed to anticipate increased demand
        ******
        Where is this demand coming from? They would’ve had a good idea for the increase in use of their products prior to the transgender community going absolutely nuts.
        
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        August 19, 2024 11:27am
      - Ghost
        
        Ah, I believe that is already answered in the post, actually it’s the first part in my post, but nice job missing it to continue to push misinformation. Also part of the increased demand will be coming form several brands being discontinued.
        
        Demand for HRT has increased massively. That’s not just here in Aotearoa, but all over the globe, with shortages being documented in the UK, Canada, Australia and Europe. This is likely due to GenX women hitting their late 40s and 50s, learning more about menopause and HRT, and general education and awareness about menopause growing.
        
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        August 19, 2024 11:42am
      - imalwaysright
        
        “This is likely due to GenX women hitting their late 40s and 50s, learning more about menopause and HRT, and general education and awareness about menopause growing..”
        Get a grip. Drug companies have actuaries to work this out.
        They also have marketing departments working out how to make the most money from the least cost.
        They also know who is going to buy their product.
        The idea that women have become suddenly aware is an insult to the intelligence of women and their GPs.
        Trannys are probably not the reason for the shortage, but they are a very good excuse for the price rise.
        
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        August 19, 2024 1:00pm
      - Ghost
        
        You should change your name to neverright always wrong
        
        The number of patients being prescribed hormone replacement therapy (HRT) in England has increased by almost a third in a year from 1.8 million to 2.3 million, official figures show.
        It follows menopause awareness campaigns by celebrities like Davina McCall and government action over a recent shortage of certain HRT drugs.
        
        https://www.bbc.com/news/health-67233617
        
        Easier for people like you to remain stupid to the facts so you can spread false information, huh. So we have more people now using hrt, a shortage of ingredients, and brands discontinued
        
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        August 19, 2024 1:05pm
      - Ghost
        
        Let’s look at more fact neveright
        
        The number of people requesting HRT has increased rapidly in recent years in a trend dubbed ‘the Davina effect’, after presenter Davina McCall created a documentary to break down the stigma associated with HRT and dispel some myths about its safety.
        
        experts have said the number of trans women taking HRT is very small, and is not a contributing factor towards the shortage.
        
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        Around 1,600 trans patients were prescribed the female hormone oestrogen in 2021, the most popular HRT drug that is most short in stock.
        
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10881403/Number-trans-people-receiving-NHS-treatment-rises-75-five-years-amid-national-HRT-shortage.html
        
        1,600 trans prescribed hrt, not many at all
        
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        August 19, 2024 1:36pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Article sources:
        
        RNZ and ABC.
        
        Two mega-bloated, far-left infested, lefty-narrative turd-polishing outfits spewing far left garbage and professional obfuscation at huge taxpayer expense.
        
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        August 19, 2024 2:55pm
      - Ghost
        
        Yes I realise some people don’t like the sources when it means they can’t keep beating off to their hate and false information around trans people.
        
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        August 19, 2024 3:57pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I have no dog in this fight Ghost. The fact that RNZ and ABC are writing extensive spin on this would suggest to me that there is a lot more to this that they are not covering. That’s their M.O.
        
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        August 19, 2024 5:06pm
    - imalwaysright
      
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      I don’t want to indulge your type of rhetoric, for obvious reasons, but does the increase in the dispensation of estrogen on the say so of your celebrity person Divina really constitute a realistic explanation of why menopausal women can’t access treatment.
      Women have existed for a very long time.
      There has always been plenty of estrogen available until the trannys showed up.
      Congratulations on the name calling, that must have been a real effort. Haven’t experienced this since standard three!!
      
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      August 19, 2024 1:41pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        “There has always been plenty of estrogen available until the trannys showed up.”
        
        What a baseless, lazy statement.
        
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        August 19, 2024 2:57pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        “What a baseless, lazy statement”
        Why is it baseless?
        Is this an annual, biennial, triennial… shortage.
        Tell us all why there is a shortage, if its not too much trouble.
        
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        August 19, 2024 5:33pm
      - Ghost
        
        Once again neveright can’t get it right, also can’t read the links that shows how wrong he is. Links that show a demand in hrt patches after a campaign to educate woman on what is available to them. Links that show there were production issues, namely an ingredients used in the production of hrt. Also a decrease in products available due to brands being discontinued.
        
        Instead of posting myths, go educate yourself on the actual cause of the shortages, but that would then mean you can’t go around making shit up and blaming trans for a shortage that has nothing to do with them.
        
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        August 19, 2024 5:43pm
      - Benedict Yu
        
        It is literally baseless. You cite no data. No evidence. No sources. No nothing.
        
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        August 19, 2024 6:46pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Sure they are.
      
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      August 19, 2024 2:57pm
  - Keith White
    
    The link relevant to my comment
    
    https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/health-services-and-programmes/providing-health-services-for-transgender-people/updates-from-the-gender-affirming-genital-surgery-service/
    
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    August 19, 2024 10:24am
    - Jethrod
      
      What happened in 2019 to cause such a response to this “therapy”?
      
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      August 19, 2024 10:56am
  - Phronesis
    
    XY to XX just take the hormones and grow their own breasts. Some might get implants too but that’s not funded as far as I know. The XX to XY getting their tits chopped off will however be taking up the surgical time of those who could be doing reconstructions. Probably good practice for the junior registrar though.
    
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    August 19, 2024 11:54am
    - wsk12345
      
      No the Xx to XY have the women’s breasts removed leaving a concave chest. THEN they build men’s pecs in a breast reconstruction. I believe these are separate surgeries.
      
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      August 19, 2024 5:58pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Are you making that up or do you have actual evidence?
      
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      August 19, 2024 6:48pm
      - Phronesis
        
        It’s hardly contentious BY. Simple first year university level knowledge of human Biology and an understanding of which specialties do what in medicine. Most men can grow quite impressive breasts, some do so even without the hormones. Mastectomies are fairly straightforward but still require a bit of plastics skill to minimise the scarring.
        wsk12345 seems to be under the impression that women don’t have pectoral muscles. I suggest he take a look at women’s body building.
        
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        August 19, 2024 8:42pm
- Grunter
  
  Rob McCulloch has posted a decent blog on the topic of NZ’s failed health system. He’s directly calling out Helen Clark, Ardern, and Heather Simpson. “…they should be held accountable for the lives that have been lost…”
  
  I agree, NZ Health is a complete mess. One centralised mega structure, exactly like the failed Soviet system from 40-70 years ago, has cost lives. Once again, how many extremely bad examples do we need? Government monopolies always fail miserably!
  
  https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/former-labour-pm-s-clark-and-ardern-wrecked-nz-s-health-system-should-be-held-accountable-for-the?
  
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  August 19, 2024 9:27am
  - pdm
    
    You would have to include `Angry Andy’ Little and Rob Campbell when making a list of those who stuffed up the Health sector.
    
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    August 19, 2024 9:58am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Would you mind not mentioning Mr. Campbell while I’m having lunch?
      
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      August 19, 2024 12:21pm
  - Philview
    
    Rob McCulloch is fearless in his commentary. I often wonder how that goes down in his University role.
    
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    August 19, 2024 1:15pm
  - rouppe
    
    Easterlin argued there are three main sources of well-being: close family, good health, and satisfying job. Because Labour stands unambiguously for the destruction of the traditional family unit, has wrecked health-care due to Clark and Ardern’s useless reform, and has ruined the careers of talented Kiwis by ending meritocracy (by giving preference to identity, not ability, causing the best of our youth to leave NZ) this past Labour government has done more to crush well-being than any other. Six years of carnage will require a decade of re-building.
    
    Smash them bro!
    
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    August 19, 2024 1:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Health System is broken. These women go through hell mentally after a mastectomy. Quite different from losing an arm or leg.
  The transistors should not be able to have constructive surgery.
  
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  August 19, 2024 9:52am
artemisia

Rotorua dirt bike thefts: Young children break into stores

Thought to be about 6 and 10. Sounds like a perfect case for some extremely intensive family ‘social investment’ as the children are young enough to be directed to a different path. Hopefully that intervention would be no fun at all for the children or their parents.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rotorua-dirt-bike-thefts-young-children-break-into-stores/7J23BM5IB5BJXFORDC7TE6P2DQ/
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August 19, 2024 8:17am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Once again, a complete lack of empathy from you.
  
  The bikes the poor kids really wanted were too heavy for them to take away. Where’s the equity in that…?
  
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  August 19, 2024 8:23am
  - artemisia
    
    Mea culpa. I will accept a couple of weeks in re-education camp. Provided it is warmer than Wellington atm.
    
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    August 19, 2024 9:10am
- Paulus
  
  No, they know they cannot be touched !
  As do their so called parentage.
  The whanau will look after them.
  – it is their entry to joining a Gang as soon as they can with their records.
  
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  August 19, 2024 11:44am
Pope Punctilious II

Canada continues its fierce tussle with Scotland and “Aotearoa” in the “who’s the wokest of them all” Olympics. British Columbia’s Human Wrongs Kommissar decries the terrible inequalities affecting “indigenous people, women other marginalized groups” that are “baked into” the province’s health, justice and child welfare systems. However, the baking recipe is not provided.
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2024/08/14/bc-human-rights-report-inequalities-systems/
Women are a marginalized group in Canada? Seriously?
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August 19, 2024 8:19am
- Damocles11
  
  The formula is to claim any and all groups in society are marginalised, until you are left with mature white males i.e. the oppressors. These are the modern day ‘Kulaks’, the group that must be lambasted, pilloried, and scapegoated for any and all real or perceived wrongs in society. To create real division you must have a ‘them vs us’ narrative, some fault-line created that must then be aggravated until conflict erupts. Societal conflict is what the Left excels at.
  
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  August 19, 2024 9:38am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Always, the politics of jealous, bitter envy.
    
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    August 19, 2024 2:09pm
- sirknz
  
  Women are a marginalized group in Canada? Seriously?
  **********
  
  Clearly most women are not white men. Some might have been though…
  
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  August 19, 2024 11:29am
  - AitchW
    
    Ever since Marama Davidson accused us of being the cause of all violence, white cis men have been othered and discriminated against.
    We need a safe space. And our own ministry.
    
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    August 19, 2024 5:37pm
- Phronesis
  
  Don’t worry, Islam will fix all their problems soon enough.
  
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  August 19, 2024 11:59am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Apparently, looking at the immigration policies these people support, lefty women relish this happening. Go figure.
    
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    August 19, 2024 3:00pm
Damocles11

‘Helen Clark Foundation Calls For Tougher Rules Against Corruption, As Public Unease Grows’

https://m.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2408/S00086/helen-clark-foundation-calls-for-tougher-rules-against-corruption-as-public-unease-grows.htm

‘August 18 – In a report released today, public policy think tank The Helen Clark Foundation brings into sharp focus the growing perception of corruption in New Zealand’s political and governance systems in recent years and why this matters. The report, ‘Shining a light: Improving transparency in New Zealand’s political and governance systems’, examines the increasing risks of political corruption, particularly around political party funding and lobbying, and outlines the rules & regulations needed to better protect our systems. The research identifies five areas most vulnerable to corrupt practices: the practice of political lobbying; political donations and elections funding; access to official information; foreign bribery; & beneficial ownership of corporate entities.’
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August 19, 2024 8:24am
- kevn
  
  Damo… That helen?
  https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/former-labour-pm-s-clark-and-ardern-wrecked-nz-s-health-system-should-be-held-accountable-for-the
  
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  August 19, 2024 9:19am
  - Damocles11
    
    I think it’s the same one. 😂
    The Helen Clark Foundation is worried about ‘corruption’, but takes aim at the likes of election donations and lobbying. Yawn. But apparently that’s where the juice is.
    I’m more worried about the cosy intersection between Labour and Willie Jackson and TPM and the John Tamihere Empire of cross-pollinating business and political and state finding entities. I’m worried about the Labour / Left / Public Service apparatus which is heavily incentivised to deliver money & power to Maori, in order to secure Maori political support for the Left bloc.
    
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    August 19, 2024 9:28am
    - Don Beckett
      
      When will that horrible Clark woman ( and her clone, Jacinda – but without the brains ) get her nose out of the trough? She’s had her time of wrecking the economy, and so has her protege. Time to go.
      
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      August 19, 2024 10:21am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        It appears the incredible Jacinda is now giving the incredible Kamala tips.
        
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        August 19, 2024 3:03pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        She has her snout in the WEF global socialists trough too – just see her position in Chatham House and who is funding that.
        
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        August 19, 2024 8:58pm
- pdm
  
  Let’s start with the influence of Unions over Labour Governments.
  
  Teachers and other Education related Unions in particular.
  
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  August 19, 2024 9:32am
  - Damocles11
    
    The journalists are unionised as well.
    
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    August 19, 2024 10:30am
  - John Loveridge
    
    It’s the influence of education-related unions over education that is causing the most fuck-uppery.
    
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    August 19, 2024 2:10pm
- Grunter
  
  The same Helen Clark Foundation that claims to be “an independent, non-partisan think tank”??!! And receives direct research and infrastructure “support” from AUT (A FAR-LEFT INDOCTRINATION CENTRE FOR YOUNG ADULTS).
  
  Come on Helen! You are making a noise about corruption and political lobbying….? Really?? Look into the mirror – there you go, now you can see one of the main culprits.
  
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  August 19, 2024 9:40am
- PurplePen
  
  I saw that article and scanned through it. There’s nothing too onerous or controversial in what it says or recommends. It’s only the source that smacks of hypocrisy. But I suppose a pig in mud is best placed to advise on how the mud works in your favour.
  
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  August 19, 2024 9:46am
  - KiwiSapper
    
    “….. In a report released today, public policy think tank The Helen Clark Foundation…’
    Old truism, “you can put lipstick on a pig ,but it is still a pig.
    
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    August 19, 2024 10:47am
- imalwaysright
  
  Saw Yasbek talking to Tame on Sunday .
  More of an advertorial, jack looked like he was in awe of the hirsuite Yasbek.
  
  Unfortunately Yasbek, on behalf of the “think tank”, failed to cite the corruption in the public service, which after all is the only corruption that really matters, as the present government is starting to realise.
  
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  August 19, 2024 10:24am
- rouppe
  
  Perception of corruption is by definition backwards looking.
  
  In other words during the Ardern Era. When Maori were given special advantages, higher ranking on medical wait lists, unelected entry into boards and councils.
  
  Did they mention that?
  
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  August 19, 2024 1:52pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What is the relationship between the Helen Clark Foundation and AUT?

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/08/professor-robert-macculloch-why-does.html

Is AUT becoming another Labour Party retirement fund?
From former Labour Minister Grant Robertson shacking up at Otago, to Clark using AUT’s resources, this political takeover of our Universities has got to stop.
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August 19, 2024 8:27am
- Damocles11
  
  Perhaps the Helen Clark Foundation should investigated. Your post is indicative of growing public unease.
  
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  August 19, 2024 9:20am
- kowtow
  
  And the NZ herald .
  
  Today’s cartoon is backing her up .That’s part of their leftist editorial agenda .
  
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  August 19, 2024 9:29am
  - Damocles11
    
    And yet sone refuse to acknowledge that and continue to subscribe to the Herald. 🤦🏻‍♂️
    
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    August 19, 2024 10:45am
    - kowtow
      
      You think I’m a subsciber?
      
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      August 19, 2024 11:56am
      - Damocles11
        
        No, I don’t.
        
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        August 19, 2024 12:43pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Don’t worry, the H and all the other shitty lefty propaganda rags will soon hit the skids. How sad.
      
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      August 19, 2024 3:05pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        I see a lot of lefties have cancelled their subscriptions over posting of the Hobsons Choice advert. They were clearly a lefty rag through the scamdemic and the Posie Parker mob violence incident – paid for from the public purse.
        
        They didn’t care when I stopped my sub, but since PIJF they have rung to invite me back. Now they will take advertising money from causes they ideologically loathe.
        
        The death throes of an ideologically toxic lefty rag, being denied the taxpayers trough.
        
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        August 19, 2024 9:11pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Page 3,
  “The Foundation also relies greatly
  on our partners at AUT for the support
  that allows us to continue this important
  work – ngā mihi nui.”
  
  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w4P05umKjrSCx1i45697ttXyxKKFrfrA/view
  
  I actually think they are very good points that need to be addressed.
  
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  August 19, 2024 9:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The Trump/Musk Interview/Chat.
Musk to maybe be head of government efficiency commission?
“We’ve got to get the prices down,” Trump said.
“Musk said he believes inflation is a form of taxation, and that, “If we can fix government spending, we can improve people’s lives.”

Wait, can NZ borrow Musk for a few weeks to rattle the cages of the Public Sector?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/trump-says-hed-love-it-if-elon-musk-took-government-efficiency-role-in-x-interview-5704676?
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August 19, 2024 8:45am
- cmm
  
  Nothing genius in that.
  
  Many people have been saying inflation is taxation before Elon Musk was born.
  
  And, when the state carries debt, it certainly is.
  
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  August 19, 2024 3:49pm
- Quail
  
  SO,
  Yes Musk is right,inflation is a form of tax.
  The erudite Milton Friedman the economist has the same view.
  Now try to tell me Governments don’t use inflation to redistribute wealth from those who earned it to those who spend it!
  
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  August 19, 2024 4:02pm
I remember when

An Alternative to the Pap Smear Is Here, No Speculum Required: NY Times.
“Cervical cancer disproportionately affects Black Woman, who are 30% more likely to develop the disease than non-Hispanic white women, and 60% more likely to die from it.
“The speculum was invented by Dr J Marion Sims,….who tested his invention on enslaved women in the pre-Civil War South.”
“This history has created a generations-old distrust of and anxiety around gynecologic procedures, ….. connected to history, to politics, to culture, and economic factors, scientific factors.

Colonisation, hauora and whenua in Aotearoa: Journal of the Royal Society of New Zealand.
“Colonisation has had profound negative consequences for health …..”
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August 19, 2024 8:48am
- John Loveridge
  
  I’d suggest that the Royal Society of New Zealand is beyond saving at this point.
  
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  August 19, 2024 2:14pm
- cmm
  
  They will tell you about smallpox and TB (neither of which were caused by colonisation per se, but will forget about all the advances in nutrition, sanitation and medicine.
  
  There is a reason why African population is booming now and didn’t 300 years ago.
  
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  August 19, 2024 3:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

NZCPR.
Labour’s decisive legacy. Maori Wards.

https://www.nzcpr.com/labours-divisive-legacy/
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August 19, 2024 8:53am
- PurplePen
  
  I can’t understand their rationale that such wards were ever needed. The maori seats were only ever an interim measure before universal suffrage. Anyone of age can vote nationally and locally. Any number of like-minded people can form a group and meet with individual councillors and get an item on any council agenda, even an individual can do all that, and have their concern or want heard and even acted upon. The Indian, Islamic, LGB, women’s and many other groups to name just a few, do this all the time.
  
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  August 19, 2024 2:03pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350378177/driver-films-goodbye-message-truck-drags-car-400m-down-motorway
Surely the truck pushed the car down the motorway, not dragged it ?
Crappy writing.
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August 19, 2024 8:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Very crappy writing. The truck is not an “18 wheeler”
  18 wheeler is a tractor unit with an articulated semi-trailer.
  
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  August 19, 2024 9:07am
  - John Loveridge
    
    I think it is, Steve, going by the photo?
    
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    August 19, 2024 2:17pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Semi-literate journalists strike again.
  
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  August 19, 2024 2:16pm
- greybeard
  
  Why the downticks?
  For those who don’t know the meaning of “drag” the Cambridge Dictionary defines it as:
  “to move something by pulling it along a surface, usually the ground”.
  
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  August 19, 2024 2:42pm
Tom Hunter

Joe Rogan has found a gem: video from the distant year of 2011 showing Donald Trump meeting the ladies of The View!

And oh, what a reception he gets.

Barbara Walters greets him as “My friend”. The audience stands and cheers, He exchanges hugs and kisses with Joy Behar and,,, Whoopie Goldberg.

He even says some of the same things he’s saying today, and gets plaudits for it.
– He talks about other nations taking advantage of us, and that resonates with Joe Behar, who says, “That is crazy.”…,
– We wouldn’t continue to be a great country if we keep going this way, he says, and the audience cheers….
– Walters asks him whether he thinks his marriages and divorces would be an impediment, which is a legitimate news question. He makes a joke that gets laughs, then says he thinks the country is doing so badly they want someone who is going to help it.
– Joy Behar even calls him a social liberal.

Four years later when he ran for President as a Republican he was Hitler and has remained so ever since.

This is what a cult is. Or as another person put it:
Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.
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August 19, 2024 8:54am
- Mike
  
  Were you always an admirer of Trump, Tom? IIRC, you were hot for Jeb!, Christie and Cruz before Trump insulted them out of the race. When did you recognize the Messiah?
  
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  August 19, 2024 12:07pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    He’s not the Messiah. He’s just a naughty boy and pretty good with the economy and international relations.
    
    Leftys going berserk as a result isn’t “Trump causing chaos”. That’s just lefty nutjobs behaving like lefty nutjobs.
    
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    August 19, 2024 3:08pm
imalwaysright

190 OT service providers have funding cut and 142 have funding reduced.
332 “providers” identified as dodgy.
The questions are, how many of these service providers are there, why are there so many, and what do they do?
How big is the problem they are trying to solve, and who caused the problem?
This looks like an industry that is designed to use and abuse children to ensure that there is a money supply to its participants.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/525470/families-devastated-as-oranga-tamariki-cuts-off-funding-to-190-social-service-providers
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August 19, 2024 9:09am
- Damocles11
  
  Red Radio must be sold! It is unacceptable for taxpayer funding to go to a rabid Leftist ‘news’ outlet. Why is this government so weak?!
  
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  August 19, 2024 11:12am
- Plue
  
  For what it is worth, this is a program they are cutting because the people using the service were not families that OT had any involvement with.
  They are redirecting the money to spend on kids in need of OT’s help.
  It may well be a good service but it is not OT’s to fund, it should potentially be MSD.
  Even though it sounds like it no I don’t work for OT and no I don’t think they are perfect but in this case I think they are getting a bad rap.
  
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  August 19, 2024 4:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Shades of 2016. Remember all of the polls where Hillary was miles ahead in a rigged Election? Then she lost. Still making holes in the walls with empty vodka bottles.

Trump 2024 landslide.

https://conservativeadvocacy.com/trump-dominates-harris-in-key-battleground-states-according-to-polls/?
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August 19, 2024 9:12am
- Colville
  
  and yet…
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350382763/harris-holds-slight-national-lead-over-trump-post-abc-ipsos-poll-finds
  
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  August 19, 2024 12:15pm
- imalwaysright
  
  “Still making holes in the walls with empty vodka bottles..”
  Says all we need to know. Is that why she couldn’t manage to give the speech on election night and congratulate Trump on his win?
  
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  August 19, 2024 12:49pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Hard to know, there has been a flood of polls from left leaning outlets that have Harris ahead, while right leaning pollsters such as Rasmussen with consistent methodology have hardly moved.
  
  I’d be pretty sure polls have moved towards Harris, by a point or two from Trump compared to Biden, but I am highly dubious of the 3-4% swing that pollsters working for outlets aligned with DNC are claiming.
  
  The huge and consistent 6-8pt divergence between polls for the two political camps, when standard deviation is only ~2-3 based on sample size suggests there is more than a little deliberate biasing of results going on – that poll results are being tortured for use as a propaganda/electioneering tool. There are a lot more DNC aligned polls than Republican, so I would assume it is generally bi-modal in that regard and weight the ‘average’ more towards the republican side compared to the naive simple average that RealClearPolitics uses. Ie half way between the extremes
  https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris
  
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  August 19, 2024 1:18pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Apparently there is a strategy called Operation Demoralize- designed to suppress the GOP Vote by giving the impression that its over, the Democrats are going to win, so no point Voting.
    Poll Results are part of that- so I think you are onto something
    https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/08/operation-demoralize-shake-out-of-it-and-get-yourself-together/
    
    Interesting Data in here
    ‘Similarly, the polls are actually all over the map, and they are not nearly as bad for Trump as people seem to think. Despite a relentless effort by the mainstream media and the Harris campaign to create a sense of momentum, the polls show Trump doing reasonably well and better than in his previous campaigns. ‘
    https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/08/16/dont-buy-the-propaganda-n3793239
    
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    August 19, 2024 2:05pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      This….
      Pennsylvania is the key State to win
      ‘Republican voter registration in Pennsylvania outpaced Democrats by a staggering 4:1 margin, with over 21,000 new GOP voters compared to just 5,000 Democrats.
      Since November 2020, Democrats in the state have seen a decline of over 320,000 registered voters, while Republicans have only lost 1,400.
      National trends show Democrats losing 3.5 million voters, while Republicans gained 141,000.
      
      Source: Newsweek
      
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      August 19, 2024 2:12pm
I remember when

“The CDC urges travellers to “consider wearing masks in crowded or poorly ventilated indoor areas, including on public transportation and in transportation hubs.” NY Times

To consider, what a difference a couple of years makes.
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August 19, 2024 9:12am
Rusty

I see Jacinda Ardern is going to help Kamala Harris and the democrats win the elections.
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August 19, 2024 9:12am
- kowtow
  
  I see they’re busily erecting fences around the venue .
  
  To protect themselves from their own supporters who want them to be even more extreme than they are already .
  
  And no doubt there’ll have been a mass mobilisation of police , from the folk who were to the fore of defunding the institutionalised racist cops .
  
  Walls in Chicago OK , but not on the border ?
  
  “Progressive” pollies are the biggest hypocrites in an already very crowded Hypocritdom.
  
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  August 19, 2024 10:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Pro-Palestine protesters will have a large group.
    Expect violence and riots. Lots arrested.
    
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    August 19, 2024 11:15am
- kevn
  
  Rusty… Not ‘premium’. So nice to know nice people?
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/lets-do-this-jacinda-ardern-heads-to-chicago-for-democratic-national-convention/HFDZAIPLDRE7TGRDSCJMCD5PHY/
  
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  August 19, 2024 10:31am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    The Second City Cop blog will be essential reading during the Democrat convention in Chicago.
    
    Two examples:
    More than 1000 Chicago cops are claiming medical leave in the leadup to the convention. I can’t blame them, they’ll be targets for both pro-Hamas protestors and the local DA.
    
    Around 375 cops from Chicago suburbs were proposed to help out the CPD but the mayor refused to give them CPD police powers.
    
    From multiple sources comes news that businesses in downtown Chicago are boarding up in preparation, having learned their lessons in early events.
    
    House Democrats attending the Democratic National Convention next week are being advised by congressional security officials not to book hotel rooms under their own names or engage with protesters if confronted, Axios has learned.
    
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    August 19, 2024 11:31am
  - alwyn.a
    
    “Let’s do this”.
    I wonder if Harris, today, and Ardern, in her day, ever realised where this slogan comes from?
    It is best known as a Nike ad that was used between about 1988 and 1998.
    However the person who produced it for Nike got the idea from a Gary Gilmore who demanded the implementation of the death penalty he had received for a couple of murders he had committed in Utah. At the time the sentence was routinely reduced to a life sentence. He got his wish and was executed by a firing squad. His last words were “Let’s do this” and they were picked up by Nike as the inspiration for their ad campaign.
    Do you think our politicians who use it were aware of the source of the words?
    
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    August 19, 2024 1:20pm
    - Mike
      
      Gilmore said “Let’s do it” and his words were alleged, by an advertising exec, to have inspired the Nike slogan “Just do it”.
      I hardly think Gilmore invented the phrase. Probably not – perhaps he was thinking of the Cole Porter song.
      
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      August 19, 2024 3:14pm
  - Rusty
    
    @kevn – read it, thanks
    
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    August 19, 2024 2:03pm
- thirteenstars
  
  As I predicted a couple of weeks ago.
  
  Ardern’s former NZ supporters (mainly women) are nevertheless so credulous and prone to bending this way and that it’s likely after seeing her support for Harris they’ll give her a second chance.
  
  Also a nice little conundrum for TDS sufferers who despise Ardern as much as they do Trump. My enemy’s enemy is my friend, no doubt. But if you’re going to dine with the Devil you better bring a long spoon.
  
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  August 19, 2024 11:40am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Harris has seen a 5-7% bump in support from women- because vagina or something.
    
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    August 19, 2024 2:13pm
    - Mike
      
      Because not being a senile, fraudulent sex pest?
      
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      August 19, 2024 3:16pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yep, they clearly didn’t like ole ‘sniff the little girls’ corrupt Joe Biden before.
        And whats with Hunter and his drug crazed Hooker binges, not to mention working for Foreign Governments for money.
        
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        August 19, 2024 3:40pm
      - Mike
        
        I’d not recommend any US voter to cast their ballot for Joe Biden or Hunter Biden.
        
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        August 19, 2024 3:45pm
      - cmm
        
        Heels up Harris not a sex pest???
        
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        August 19, 2024 3:54pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  A total winner coaching another total winner!
  
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  August 19, 2024 3:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe Biden’s exit was not voluntary. The House drinker was behind it.
The swamp at work. The Democrat’s democratic machine full steam ahead, dividing the Party.
Fight you bastards!!

https://americanvoterpolls.com/pelosis-power-play-ousts-biden-from-2024-race-exposes-rift-in-democrat-party/?
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August 19, 2024 9:20am
Benedict Yu

Helen Clark and Chris Finlayson think more regulation of political parties is a good idea.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/525475/tougher-rules-needed-to-combat-risk-of-political-corruption-helen-clark-foundation

How about political parties can accept any donations, provided that large donations are disclosed?

Chris Finlayson is another ‘Julie Anne Genter test’. Anything he suggests is likely to be a terrible idea.
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August 19, 2024 9:21am
- Damocles11
  
  Chris Finlayson is symptomatic of the National party identity crisis, the party now stands for everything and nothing at the same time. It is mind boggling and really scary to consider he was a key member of the Key government.
  
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  August 19, 2024 9:32am
- Swifty
  
  In the period immediately preceding the 2023 general election Mr W. Jackson was at pains to point out over and over the $900 Million annually ‘he had secured for Maori’ and that it was ‘more than any other Maori Minister’ and that if that was to continue Maori people must vote Labour.
  
  If that’s not naked vote buying I don’t know what is.
  
  And don’t get me started on the living wage, minimum wage, Fair Pay legislation and other naked vote buying rorts which are baked in to Labour DNA.
  
  But of course Helen Clark’s foundation attacks areas where her she perceives the Right have an advantage – business lobbying, party donations etc.
  
  If you believe her foundation is an ‘independent think tank’ you’ll believe anything.
  
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  August 19, 2024 9:35am
- Eastlander
  
  ‘Corruption’ is defined here as National receiving more donations than Labour.
  
  Actual corruption is abundant in New Zealand – what else should we call it when OT pays $800,000 and more to consultants for advice on personnel cuts but fails to pay building contractors for months on end?
  
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  August 19, 2024 11:57am
  - peterwn
    
    Any mention of the union employees and vehicles deployed to help Labour’s election campaigns?
    
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    August 19, 2024 3:16pm
- rouppe
  
  I still think all donations should be disclosed. There must already be administration required to record the donation, i just can’t see it being much extra work to enter it onto a register.
  
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  August 19, 2024 2:10pm
Gravelroad

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/525521/jacinda-ardern-to-speak-at-us-democratic-national-convention from RNZ.

How super!
So what will Dame Jacinda have to offer to the DNC and, in particular, the much tougher Kamala Harris?
Get the msm on side – Harris already has that.
Tilt head, grin inanely and pull faces – ditto
Throw (alleged ) tantrums at staff out the back – ditto
Don’t allow any awkward questions in public – ditto
Focus on the mean social media bullying – ditto
In fact, I am not sure what Dame Jacinda could pass on to Ms Harris that would be of much use.
Unless you count “be kind”.
Don’t think Ms Harris is really that sort of politician.
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August 19, 2024 9:41am
- Clyde
  
  Ardern is a natural draw card for the idiot fringe in the US. What is just as worrying is the GOP also has an idiot standing. Please, oh please, out of all those millions in the US, let someone with at least half a brain become the President instead of these two.
  
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  August 19, 2024 10:31am
- MCōs
  
  Jacinda Ardern is taking part in a panel discussion along with a number of European panelists
  
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  August 19, 2024 10:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well at least Ardern and Harris will understand each other’s word soup waffle!
  
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  August 19, 2024 11:23am
- Rusty
  
  @Gravelroad= you might have missed out Ardern telling Harris to say “experts” when backing up her policies.
  
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  August 19, 2024 2:09pm
- Quail
  
  Gravel , Just like Biden, Ardern resigned!
  “ when the going gets tough the tough get going” or more like the weak get going!
  
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  August 19, 2024 4:30pm
- greybeard
  
  I wonder how many times she will use the term “comrades” ?
  
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  August 20, 2024 6:59am
Maggy Wassilieff

Who pays for equity?

I read Simpson’s report. No intellectual basis is built for its suggested re-design of health-care delivery. No wonder our system is falling apart. It keeps repeating the word “equity”, seemingly in the hope that by writing that word on paper is enough to deliver it in practice. The report bizarrely repeats “equity” 219 times (!?)

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/08/professor-robert-macculloch-former.html
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August 19, 2024 9:51am
Bridgenag

Did the COVID vaccines really save 20M lives worldwide?
No. But that doesn’t keep people from saying that. The reality is no lives were saved which is why there aren’t any success anecdotes.

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/did-the-covid-vaccines-really-save?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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August 19, 2024 10:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Someone kept repeating “safe and effective” until it became annoying, so yes of course it saved lives.//
  
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  August 19, 2024 11:34am
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: The DNC and IUDs
(and don’t forget vasectomies)

“The clown car continues – rather than focus on the genuine issues facing America, the Democrats are going with abortion, vasectomies, and IUDs? Is this because they truly do believe in a de-population agenda or because they would rather focus on sterilization rights – than talk about inflation, the two major wars we are engaged in, or the ongoing Hunter Biden/Joe Biden corruption trials?”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-the-dnc-and-iuds?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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August 19, 2024 10:12am
- kevn
  
  Bridge… Strong emphasis on no consequences, uncontrolled root*ng.
  
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  August 19, 2024 10:34am
MCōs

Those two Kiwi brothers who assaulted a policeman in Phuket, spent some time locked up on remand before being deported back to NZ got off rather lightly
This Swiss resident, who kicked someone who wouldn’t move off what he thought was his land is being much more harshly treated
https://aseannow.com/topic/1335852-swiss-expat-sentencing-in-phuket-set-for-september-3rd/
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August 19, 2024 10:26am
Observant Octagenarian

Just completed the on-line forms for re-entry to NZ.
The website is typical Government – full of Maori, but when you get to the actual entry of data, it says “This form must be completed in English”.
You mean people that wrote the website speak Maori, but people that read the data don’t!
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August 19, 2024 10:39am
- MCōs
  
  The first time my wife filled out an arrival card at Bangkok airport she had to chuck it out and rewrite it in English because Thai wasn’t acceptable
  That was thirty years ago. Things may have changed in the interim
  Did you point out that Māori is an official language of NZ and you’ll use it if you want to?
  
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  August 19, 2024 11:52am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Did you point out that Māori is an official language of NZ and you’ll use it if you want to?’
    
    OK on that basis where was the sign option.
    
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    August 19, 2024 11:54am
- peterwn
  
  The user should be given the option of English or Maori as the first question so the form is not bilingually cluttered. But that would presumably go against Treaty principles.
  
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  August 19, 2024 3:11pm
Jack5

Fog over target, return to base, Bradbury.

“Bomber” Bradbury targets State TV and radio in a raid at his blog today, and speculates mightily on TV3.

He’s over the target on Radio NZ with a startling claim or revelation that Morning Report has 16 producers compared with two producers for Mike Hosking’s Breakfast.

But Bradbury surely drops his bombs in a paddock when he extrapolates from the departure of a senior Stuff figure to a view that Rupert Murdoch’s news empire might pounce on TV3.

First Rupert Murdoch, at 93 and nominally retired, is fighting to give the Right-winger of his children, Lachlan, the power in the Murdoch media empire.

Second, the departure of Stuff’s Laura Maxwell to a Murdoch job in Queensland seems to be the sum of Bradbury’s evidence that a Murdoch takeover of TV3 is in place.

Discovery NZ, owner of TV3, reported a loss of $138.2 million for 2023.

Given the general decline of television news, why would Murdoch want it?

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2024/08/19/mediawatch-rnz-decline-and-how-slow-motion-implosion-of-threenews-allows-rupert-into-nz/
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August 19, 2024 11:50am
MCōs

I don’t understand what’s going on in our healthcare system
One minute I hear there’s a serious nursing shortage
Next thing there’s a surplus
I understand there’s different types of nurses, but there’s never going to be a situation where the number required exactly equals those available
Is it not possible for personnel to be encouraged to retrain/relocate to balance the sinking ship?

Maybe it’s just me, but I get the impression certain parts of the system are being prepared for privatization
Get your hip replacement now and contribute towards the cost or wait two years, five years or whatever
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August 19, 2024 12:29pm
- Damocles11
  
  I get the impression that the media and unions are creating as much noise and confusion as they possibly can, for the purposes of political point scoring against a government that they detest. The fact that you say ‘you don’t understand’ what is going on tends to bear this out. Dr Levy has said the plan is not to cut the frontline of health services, the plan is to bolster it. He couldn’t be clearer. Your claim that all the confusing ‘sound and fury’ emanating from media and unions indicates that parts of the system are being ‘prepared for privatisation’ seems paranoid to say the least. But ‘privatisation paranoia’ is a familiar theme with the Left.
  
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  August 19, 2024 12:50pm
  - MCōs
    
    It’s obvious there’s problems with public healthcare and there has been for years
    Not just this country, but in Oz and the UK that I’m aware of.
    
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    August 19, 2024 1:23pm
  - peterwn
    
    It is like that ‘Yes Minister’ all over again except that Dr Levy is Dr Shane Reti’s close ally (they are both Medical Doctors and their practicing certificates are current). Dr Levy has told the Ministry in the politest way to get its act together and abide by their governance requirements or else.
    It seems a political cancer specialist is also required to remove cancerous ‘fifth column’ growth in the system.
    
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    August 19, 2024 3:08pm
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Yes indeed, MOH needs an oncologist real bad.
      
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      August 19, 2024 8:44pm
vand

“Pro-Palestine protesters will have a large group.
Expect violence and riots. Lots arrested.

Steve- I think you mean “pro Gazan /West Bank Arab coloniser protestors ….”
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August 19, 2024 12:33pm
Ra Henare

Is it me or is Sir Bob losing the plot?

I understand Sir Bob is an avid anti Trumpet/Trump hater.

This was on the edge.
https://nopunchespulled.com/2024/07/29/the-jd-vance-implosion/

Then today, Sir Bob seems to have gone “”full on”” the anti Trump wagon.

https://nopunchespulled.com/2024/08/19/kamala-harris-2/

Or am I missing a /sarc sticker somewhere.
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August 19, 2024 12:55pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Nope. He’s lost the plot. Like DPF he would, were he a US citizen, vote for policies he’s fought against all his life, just because Trump repulses him.
  
  An earlier sign is that he’s also stopped trout fishing, not due to age, but animal cruelty, if I’ve read his past comments right?
  
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  August 19, 2024 1:39pm
  - peterwn
    
    Re trout fishing – He would not be disturbed by the likes of Rod Vaughan dropping in again!
    
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    August 19, 2024 2:42pm
  - Mike
    
    Perhaps he’s a late convert to advocating for reproductive healthcare.
    
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    August 19, 2024 3:20pm
- Grunter
  
  Ra
  I generally like and agree with what Sir Bob writes. But his position on Kamala over Trump is truly weird. I can understand him not liking Trump (I too think he is a bafoon), but Trump is still 100 times better than Harris.
  
  Sir Bob had no time for Ardern, and Harris is exactly the same nut job, so I just don’t get it. If he said he wouldn’t vote for either Trump or Harris and pick RFK Jnr instead, then that would probably be a more consistent position.
  
  I wonder if Sir Bob had a property deal turn bad involving Trump?
  
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  August 19, 2024 2:27pm
  - peterwn
    
    44 Wall Street? Just conjecturing. That deal did not turn out well and Bob did a ‘jingle keys’. In USA if the owner of a property has negative equity the owner just walks away and leaves the mortgagee to bear the loss.
    
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    August 19, 2024 2:59pm
  - cmm
    
    I expect Sir Bob will make a few more bob off a Harris administration.
    
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    August 19, 2024 3:56pm
  - kevn
    
    Grunter… I think Bob is just enjoying winding people up.
    By the way, anyone heard a peep from biden, you know, the POTUS? Supposedly. Even his wife has gone quiet. Unusually.
    
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    August 19, 2024 5:29pm
- Grunter
  
  And just to illustrate the point even further…
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13750591/kamala-harris-job-campaign-pronouns.html
  
  “The presidential campaign for Kamala Harris is now including special pronoun options for job applicants, as part of their commitment to diversity and inclusion.
  
  The job application for the Harris campaign includes nine different options for pronouns, including ‘xe/xem,’ ‘ze/hir,’ ‘ey/em,’ ‘fae/faer’ and ‘hu/hu.’
  
  ‘Fae/faer,’ indicates a gender-fluid person but non-masculine, sometimes of Celtic origin. ‘Hu/hu,’ pronouns are third person gender-neutral pronouns referring to both a man and a woman.”
  
  Explain how Sir Bob can support this clown act?
  
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  August 19, 2024 2:38pm
- Mike
  
  It’s a stopped clock moment for Jones.
  
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  August 19, 2024 3:19pm
  - Swifty
    
    What do you mean Mike?
    
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    August 19, 2024 5:43pm
    - Mike
      
      Bob Jones can’t be wrong about everything. At least he’s right about Trump.
      
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      August 19, 2024 6:08pm
      - Swifty
        
        Heh.
        
        I thought that’s what you meant.
        
        I wonder what you make of the fact that not long after the 2020 Labour landslide he predicted they’d be thrown out of office in 2023 – as they duly were.
        
        Oh how the Left laughed when he made that prediction but they’re not laughing now.
        
        Actually I don’t really care what your view is, don’t feel you have to answer that.
        
        And then there’s the matter of his eye-watering business success. And his wealth. I bet that makes you absolutely sick.
        
        Doesn’t it Mike?
        
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        August 19, 2024 7:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Will Judge Juan Merchan send Donald Trump to prison on Sept 18th?
Well, he is a nasty, nasty Democrat so he could. Merchan has for the 3rd time refused to recuse himself. There is of course the Dudge may get cold feet and put a stop to it, including reversing all 34 convictions. I don’t know.

https://patriotpulse.net/donald-trump-was-furious-over-this-judges-major-gift-to-kamala-harris/?
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- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s unlikely because at the moment the Supreme Court has stayed out of it but they will move quickly if a Presidential Nominee is jailed before the election. Merchan will get absolutely roasted if that happens AND Trump’s conviction will be overturned. It’s more likely that he’ll pretend to care about democracy and just leave “Convicted Felon!!!!!!!” there for everyone to see.
  On the other hand, if he jails Trump, they could attack the Supreme Court for throwing out the conviction and score political points that way. It could also explain why Harris has delayed the debate as long as possible, in the hopes he’ll be in jail.
  
  Either way, the conviction is and always was a joke.
  
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  August 19, 2024 2:09pm
- Grunter
  
  Steve – I think there is a better than even chance that Trump gets thrown in jail come Sept 18th. And that would cause widespread chaos in the US. Just weeks out before the election day, and voting already underway.
  
  The fact that it is even an option is ridiculous.
  
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  August 19, 2024 2:35pm
- Mike
  
  The convictions and sentence (probably not prison) will be subject to appeal. See DJT pucking up trash under supervision sometime in 2027.
  
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  August 19, 2024 3:24pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Even though you would love to see that, it will never happen Mike.
    Dreams are free though.
    
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    August 19, 2024 3:37pm
    - Mike
      
      He’ll get home detention at Mar-a-Lardo, but stroke out before the appeal.
      
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      August 19, 2024 4:01pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Do you even know anything about the trial? Honestly, it’s entirely reasonable to both hate Trump and admit that the charges were an utterly corrupt joke.
    
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    August 19, 2024 4:07pm
    - Mike
      
      Perhaps if he’d given evidence to back up his claims he wouldn’t have been convicted. Pity his inability to tell the truth made that a non starter.
      I hope he’s being more careful about this year’s NDAs and hush money.
      
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      August 19, 2024 4:24pm
Swifty

The entitlement……

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350368548/kainga-ora-tenant-dies-daughter-moves-changes-locks

The consequences? None.
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August 19, 2024 1:39pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Unbelievable. There needs to be consequences else this will keep happening.
  
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  August 19, 2024 4:01pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Rent-free accomodation for 10 months – suweeeet!
  
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  August 19, 2024 8:48pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350368548/kainga-ora-tenant-dies-daughter-moves-changes-locks
So a family member decides to move into their deceased relative’s KO house, changes the locks, won’t let anyone official in and refuses to leave – for 10 months.
Yeah, yeah, I get it. People are entitled.
But then get to the end of the report to find that:
“No rent was charged or paid over this time”.
Why not?
Why should this trespasser live free in someone else’s house for 10 months?
Is that KO general practice? Let the trespasser call the shots and pay no rent?
The taxpayer will pick up the tab.
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August 19, 2024 2:01pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And who was living in her KO house whilst she was ensconced in her dead daddy’s house?
  
  She’d also refused to engage with all efforts by the landlord to resolve the situation, which included offering to change her own Kāinga Ora tenancy to this one.
  
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  August 19, 2024 2:32pm
- Damocles11
  
  Rules for some and rules for others. If any 9 to 5 working stiff doesn’t comply with the states rules then they feel the full weight of its wrath. Imagine if you refused to pay your taxes or rates.
  
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  August 19, 2024 2:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yes, it is not someone else’s house, it is OUR house
  
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  August 19, 2024 3:39pm
MCōs

The word evil is bandied about too much to describe people one merely doesn’t like
I’ve been reading about the Final Solution and Heinrich Himmler was evil beyond comprehension
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August 19, 2024 2:11pm
- Damocles11
  
  Read about Stalin next.
  
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  August 19, 2024 2:33pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Then Che and Castro.
    
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    August 19, 2024 2:57pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      And for the cherry on top, Mao.
      
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      August 19, 2024 3:37pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      And then MCos, read about Helen Clark and Jacinda Ardern.
      Lot of reading MCos, report back when you are done.
      
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      August 19, 2024 3:42pm
    - Mike
      
      Pretty small beer next to Hitler, Stalin and Mao. But Pol Pot and Suharto have entered the chat.
      
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      August 19, 2024 4:04pm
      - MCōs
        
        My point was Himmler was evil. I’m reading what is essentially a compendium of the massacres of Jews carried out by Germans and others that he organized at the behest of his government
        I’m making no comparison to those other quite separate mass exterminators who litter the pages of history
        
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        August 19, 2024 4:54pm
      - Mike
        
        I think conscienceless mass murders can safely be described as evil.
        
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        August 19, 2024 5:40pm
      - Damocles11
        
        ‘Himmler was evil.’ No arguments from me.
        Stalin and Mao: also evil. For some reason communist dictators don’t get the same bad rap as those (purportedly) right wing fascist types. They were evil, and they killed more people as well.
        
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        August 19, 2024 6:19pm
All_on_Red

Oh look. Harris’s Campaign lies and her gullible supporters fall for it. They claimed very few were coming to Trumps Rallys but…
‘BREAKING: Kamala Harris’ campaign X account caught sharing video of Trump’s rally in Montana from *2 hours* earlier in the day, claiming it was the live footage.
Shortly before Trump’s rally started, Kamala HQ shared the footage below.
A time stamp shows the video was taken at 7:36pm Eastern time- two hours before the rally actually started!
Live footage from 9:35 eastern time shows a packed arena as the Rally actually started.’

Meanwhile only 250 people turn up for her Townhall meeting.
https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2024/08/18/another-humiliating-rally-for-kamala-harris-n4931745
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August 19, 2024 2:22pm
NZer In Exile

I see Sir Bob J is pining for a Kamala win. WTF???

Having followed the climate thing closely for around 20 years, this just tells me once again that pretty much everyone gets some things very badly wrong.
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August 19, 2024 3:13pm
- Damocles11
  
  He’s the woke bloke who saved the Labour party when they were down and out with no funds. JA batted her eyelashes and he got his wallet out.
  
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  August 19, 2024 3:58pm
- Inandout
  
  NZer, TDS is indeed a mental condition if he could seriously opt for Kamala.
  
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  August 19, 2024 4:39pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Um mods, how much longer for moderation? Nobody will tell me even after emails.

Well this is another thing that may or may not work.
Comedy from Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/472739125654971
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August 19, 2024 3:16pm
cmm

How the hell does a Ferris Wheel catch fire?

Allah be Praised?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350383607/watch-more-20-injured-ferris-wheel-fire-music-festival-germany
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August 19, 2024 4:27pm
- greybeard
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEG_XDcqUdo
  Here you go.
  
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  August 19, 2024 6:56pm
Ghost

I thought the name suppression was because of the election and was going to be dropped for the trial

A man has described being groomed as a boy by a former political figure before being sexually abused in what he described as “a hundred shades of wrong”.

Article

From last year

A former political party figure charged with indecent assault will keep his name under wraps until his trial next year.

Article
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August 19, 2024 4:33pm
- Damocles11
  
  The Left are already naming who the think it is on X. They don’t give a toss about name suppression or the laws of this country, it’s all about political point scoring.
  
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  August 19, 2024 4:58pm
  - Ghost
    
    It’s no secret who it is
    
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    August 19, 2024 5:12pm
    - Damocles11
      
      Sweet bro. Uncle Tom Cobbley and his mates know who it is, so apparently the Left can breach the suppression order and let the whole population know. The Left continue to astound with their selective morality and outright hypocrisy.
      
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      August 19, 2024 6:22pm
      - Ghost
        
        anyone who watches parliament probably knows who it is as the name suppression was breached by an mp in the house.
        
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        August 19, 2024 6:32pm
    - greybeard
      
      Well it is a secret to me, so please enlighten us.
      
      [Mod – name suppression won’t be breached on this site, thanks]
      
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      August 19, 2024 6:54pm
- fernglas
  
  You’re right. Names should be published at the trial stage. If the defendant is acquitted, they are innocent. If they are convicted, there is no proper reason to keep their names secret. Naming the defendant in sexual cases such as this not infrequently brings forth other complainants. The continuing ability to suppress names arises ifroma bygone era when there was no other news so the fact that someone had been charged was disproportionately newsworthy. That and the assumption that if someone was charged, they must be guilty. Those days are gone. It is arrogant of judges to assume that the NZ public will pillory someone regardless of verdict, and arrogant of parliament to consider it is necessary to hide people’s identities. New Zealand is alone in common law jurisdictions in the breadth of its name suppression powers. Other than to preserve fair trial rights, name suppression is an outdated, outmoded and paternalistic anachronism
  
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  August 19, 2024 4:59pm
Damocles11

Everything you need to know about Seymours Treaty principles bill, in 15 seconds –

https://x.com/actparty/status/1825354862290502139
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August 19, 2024 4:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  When there are no more arguments to the debate, the same comment comes out. “RACIST!”
  Am I wrong?
  
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  August 19, 2024 5:17pm
  - Damocles11
    
    You’re not wrong.
    
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    August 19, 2024 6:23pm
- Swifty
  
  Any idea who the woman is at the end?
  
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  August 19, 2024 5:37pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Lady Tureiti Moxon, I think.
    
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    August 19, 2024 7:04pm
Tauhei Notts

I have enjoyed Maggie Pie’s comments on this site.
What has happened to her.
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August 19, 2024 4:52pm
- Mike
  
  Got a short suspension so could be a bit miffed.
  
  [Mod – if you get a ban, check your spam folders. At least two people extended their bans by missing the password reset]
  
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  August 19, 2024 5:36pm
- fernglas
  
  She probably decided that her comments would be better received at Remmers Racquets. On this forum they were faux pearls before swine; there they would be faux pas before wine.
  
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  August 19, 2024 7:33pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350383703/fish-trader-fined-360k-and-employee-jailed-buying-and-selling-stolen-fish
I just knew when I saw this article that there would be some typical names involved.
Why do we put up with this imported corruption ?
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August 19, 2024 4:58pm
Ghost

New poll

Luxon up 5% to 28% in preferred PM rankings

National remain on 38% in party vote, Labour up 1% to 30%.
The Greens drop 2% to 11%, while coalition partners Act and NZ First are steady on 7% and 6% respectively.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/08/19/poll-voters-warming-to-luxon-as-pm-party-votes-hold-firm/
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August 19, 2024 6:05pm
Damocles11

The astonishing racism of TVNZ on full display again tonight. White people are verboten from reporting on any Treaty related matters, it must be a Maori reporter. The Treaty impacts on all of us, but you can forget about one of the hated Pakeha ever being allowed to report about it.
Anyway, at Turangawaewae the PM and umpteen other government ministers showed up to receive the usual fiery invective and abuse, while grovelling at the feet of the Maori King. National and NZ First rolled out a red carpet of appeasement, assuring the angry activists that they will not vote for Seymours bill past the first reading. The moral cowardice continues.
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August 19, 2024 6:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A few years back we never had mention of the Maori King Coronation festivities by our MSMedia.
  Our TV news used to be full of Ngai (Kai) Tahu deeds…. but clearly the power base in Maoridom has shifted north.
  
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  August 19, 2024 7:09pm
  - Ghost
    
    I can only remember his mother’s funeral, can’t remember seeing much of her. I think she was rolled out when a royal came to NZ
    
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    August 19, 2024 7:21pm
- John Loveridge
  
  They were like a bunch of jumping, posturing, bellyaching natives – especially the odious Tuku Morgan.
  
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  August 19, 2024 7:12pm
surfing

Why do we have Judith Collins on tv1 news saying she is worried about internet connectivity on farms? With respect to AI….

Has she not heard of starlink?

Sounds like she is jumping on bandwagons and has no clue.
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August 19, 2024 6:38pm
AitchW

They making a big fuss over the king of Waikato…
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August 19, 2024 7:16pm
- Damocles11
  
  Luxon obviously has nothing better to than traipse his way to Turangawaewae with a vast retinue in tow.
  
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  August 19, 2024 7:53pm
Ghost

Well that wasn’t what I thought this song was about……

https://youtube.com/shorts/Zuwyh98lX1Y?si=uhtfFFnRgmkoNS0l
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