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Scott

Why did Trump win so handily? What is it about Trump that got his voters so excited?
In large part the Trump campaign was about winning. America is going to be great again, America is going to win again.

Trump is not a typical liberal in that respect. Modern liberals and progressives believe their country is hopelessly racist and sexist and xenophobic. Liberals don’t believe they deserve to win. They are full of liberal white guilt.

Voting for Trump is a way for people, especially men, to say to heck with all that. I’m not going to be ashamed to be a man, I’m not going to be ashamed to be white, I’m not going to be ashamed of being part of this great country!

That’s why Trump supporters feel joy and do their little Trump dance. We are going to win again!

I’m hoping that energy and attitude comes over to the South Pacific. No more DEI, woke nonsense. Let’s be a prosperous country that creates jobs and takes on big projects and gets moving and gets ahead. No more apologising for who we are.

Let’s make New Zealand great again. 😎
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December 1, 2024 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Make New Zealand Great Again.
  Yes! Find us a leader.
  
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  December 1, 2024 11:34am
Tomtoddy

Headline: “Labour pulls ahead of National in new poll”.

Duck or you will get hit by a flying pig.
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December 1, 2024 8:04am
- G152
  
  Ah… Our media demonstarting the next election cycle (deliberate misspell)
  
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  December 1, 2024 8:15am
- Flossie
  
  Internal polling wasn’t it?
  
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  December 1, 2024 8:16am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Infernal polling, sure.
    
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    December 1, 2024 8:20am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Don’t panic….Polls had Trump and Harris neck and neck.
      
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      December 1, 2024 8:35am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Polls had Harris pulling ahead, just like this bullshit now. One news will have a poll before Christmas, I wouldn’t mind betting it will be tomorrow, why do these muppets do this all the time, lies, it’s just one of the reason Labour had their asses handed to them
        
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        December 1, 2024 11:04am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    It is still a worry. If any other poll shows a possible Labour win and Luxon polling below Hipkins as PM National has to seriously look at replacing Luxon.
    
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    December 1, 2024 8:21am
    - Philview
      
      The NZ media would then turn the screws on the new leader. National don’t appear to have anyone waiting in the wings like a Winston Peters figure who can call the media out for their extraordinary bias.
      
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      December 1, 2024 8:34am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      OK I’m not a political strategist. However replacing Luxon would look like such a panic move that National would sink. Also, based on his history, Winston Peters would likely walk away. You would have the prospect of a no confidence vote in parliament which would bring down the government.
      
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      December 1, 2024 8:44am
      - cmm
        
        Surely strategists are just looking forward to the next election. Would temporarily sinking now really matter? They would have 2 years to build up to the next election.
        
        The bigger question is who would they replace Luxon with. They have a cupboard full of wet blankets.
        
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        December 1, 2024 8:53am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Seymour is obviously the best man for the job. Sadly it won’t happen until ACT get a bigger share of the vote.
        
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        December 1, 2024 9:00am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        If Luxon stopped sitting on the fence and grew same gonads his ratings would go up considerably.
        
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        December 1, 2024 9:16am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        cmm, Simeon Brown and Chris Bishop both are streets ahead of Luxon in my book.
        
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        December 1, 2024 9:17am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I just watched Luxon being interviewed by Jack Tame. To be fair to Luxon he has improved a lot and is pushing back at Tame.
        
        Tame had a lot of got-you questions for Luxon. When he interviewed climate alarmist, Rod Carr he did not ask any hard questions.
        
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        December 1, 2024 10:10am
      - cmm
        
        SO: Simeon Brown might be the right person.
        Chris Bishop is too easy a political target to take down.
        Bishop shilled for the tobacco industry. Yes, it was a long time ago, but that makes it far too easy to bring him down.
        
        I don’t particularly like Bishop, but my opinion is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the opposition have a whole pile of ammunition at their disposal to bring him down.
        
        Whether of not it is fair to do so is also irrelevant. That ammo is there and is massively influential.
        
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        December 1, 2024 11:24am
      - leoj
        
        Bishop is disqualified. He was in favour of door-to-door vaccinations while hiding behind Jacinda’s skirt during the protests.
        
        For that matter, they ALL his behind Jacinda’s skirt.
        
        Pathetic, the lot of them.
        
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        December 1, 2024 1:24pm
    - kowtow
      
      Don’t panic.
      
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      December 1, 2024 9:05am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Said Corporal Jones. 🙂
        
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        December 1, 2024 10:58am
      - kowtow
        
        Ayeeeeee.
        
        Said Fraser.
        
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        December 1, 2024 12:18pm
      - Unity
        
        Sorry Kowtow but there was no space to reply to Jack Tame’s interview of Christopher Luxon this morning. It was excruciatingly nauseating and hard to watch. Tame was totally rude, talking over all of Luxon’s responses. I knew it would be bad so recorded it. I could only watch a few minutes at a time and had to turn it off but I wanted to hear what Luxon had to say so I persevered. Tame should be sacked – he’s totally unsuitable for the job. If he asks a question he should let the interviewee respond. Shocking stuff.
        
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        December 1, 2024 4:32pm
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Luxon himself is not the problem. The problem is that Luxon is actually a fairly accurate representative of what National as a whole stands for.
      
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      December 1, 2024 10:06am
      - Colville
        
        Luxon’s National has what? 35%? of New Zealands support?. At least 45% of New Zealand is to the left of what National is doing with circa 20% to the right of National.
        Loud mouths on here wanting Luxon to move further right either are stupid or cannot count or both.
        New Zealand is a socialist country. We get a socialist government with bule ties or red ones, thats the choice.
        Having ACT there at least we get a little push into some useful areas , that is as good as it gets!
        
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        December 1, 2024 10:30am
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        Agreed. Luxon is not the problem, and replacing him after a few unfavourable polls would only hurt this government. The problem is the ongoing dominance of the “liberal” wing of the Nats, as depicted by the choice of this image as the banner for the Young Nats website.
        
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        December 1, 2024 10:51am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Yep. One thing that Luxon did well early on was put a stop to all the self-destructive leaks of back-biting.
        
        But the fact that it needed a new leader to do so is not a good reflection on all those National MP’s who did those things, or on a future leader emerging from their ranks.
        
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        December 1, 2024 1:09pm
      - leoj
        
        You mean the King of namby-pamby?
        
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        December 1, 2024 1:24pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        Responding to Colville, as I don’t seem to have the option below Colville’s comment. If NZ is a socialist country, why is our top marginal income tax rate (39 %) one of the lowest in the OECD?
        https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/highest-taxed-countries
        Why are we one of the few OECD countries that doesn’t have a CGT?
        NZ is not a “socialist” country. Since the late 80’s, the reigning ideology here has been progressive neoliberalism (AKA wokeism), which combines centre-right economics with hard left cultural/social policies. Socialism and wokeism are not the same thing.
        
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        December 1, 2024 2:50pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Nats will no the poll is bullshit, there own internals will be relatively constant, how often have we seen Labours polling miles out when the next poll comes
      
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      December 1, 2024 11:07am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Chuck.
      
      Polls are notoriously wrong for the long view.
      
      Note the Maori party polled higher when the hikoi was top of the news cycle.
      
      Next poll they will slip down again.
      
      Better to read tea leaves, they will be more accurate.
      
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      December 1, 2024 11:14am
      - pdm
        
        Ra we know the Maori Party are a 3% max party when it comes to Party Votes – their danger is the overhang caused by them cleaning out the Special Maori seats.
        
        National are more a 30/40% party vote outfit depending on who is polling.
        
        Labour is definitely around 25% so how Talbot Mills dream up over 30% suggests strategic polling – eg Manurewa and Otahuhu and Teacher Unions.
        
        Would they stoop so low as to do that?
        Who knows.
        
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        December 1, 2024 11:50am
      - AitchW
        
        Sorry pdm, reported in error. To answer your question, of course they’d stoop that low. Labour lies. All the time. Their internal polling is invariably wrong, yet the media report it as gospel knowing that it’s wrong. Anything to support the side which will bail them out time after time.
        
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        December 1, 2024 1:02pm
  - BeaB
    
    Was the polling done at the conference?
    
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    December 1, 2024 9:42am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Could have been, there was only 700 polled
      
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      December 1, 2024 11:07am
      - Colville
        
        Hipkins having 30% support at the conference would be about right!
        
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        December 1, 2024 11:49am
- Philview
  
  ‘Leaked’ to Stuff.
  
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  December 1, 2024 8:17am
- Damocles11
  
  It’s all about shaping perceptions and creating the impression that the Coalition is unpopular. The attacks by the inter-linked cabal of Unions – MSM – leftist / separatist academics and notables are constant and unrelenting, a constant stream of manufactured ‘bad news’ stories about what is going on in the health system, a constant stream of attacks on David Seymour – including publicising his purported girlfriend, and a constant stream of pro-separatist media content….and now pro-separatist books are being distributed to schools.
  The response from any countervailing forces is weak to non-existent. The separatist forces mobilise because they have every reason to do so: their pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is taxpayer dollars + power and control. The numbers that could be harnessed on the pro-democracy side are far more numerous, and people should really be marching in the streets against the leftist / separatist takeover, but the issue here is that the various entities that could organise something of this nature are funded by corporates who are paralysed with fear at the thought of the ordinaries waking up and fighting back and what that would mean socially and therefore economically.
  So at the moment it’s rope-a-dope: the leftists and separatists pummelling the majority of New Zealand who are prone against the ropes. But in this scenario there seems to be no ability or collective will to come off the ropes and fight back.
  
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  December 1, 2024 8:38am
- pdm
  
  Hipkins said to be ahead of Luxon.
  
  What an embarrassment!!!
  
  Would change significantly if Luxon showed he had some guts and supported the Treaty Principles Bill I think.
  
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  December 1, 2024 9:07am
  - Damocles11
    
    While I agree about Luxon being a woke appeaser, this is ‘Labour Internal Polling’ – take in with a grain of salt. It’s disgusting that the MSM report what is basically party political propaganda in this way, polls that are given traction in the MSM should be independent. Labour are desperate to show that they are on the up & up with voters, therefore there is every incentive for them to come up with the results that they have.
    
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    December 1, 2024 9:19am
    - Paulus
      
      The media are desperate to say something
      – any thing which they think will damage the Elected Coalition Government.
      I know who is more desparate !
      
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      December 1, 2024 10:48am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Note only stuff reported it, one news stated well clear, they will be polling for an early December poll
      
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      December 1, 2024 11:11am
  - Jethrod
    
    A patsy poll from Talbots, just at the right time for the Labour party connnnn-ference!!!!
    
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    December 1, 2024 9:28am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Funny they said it’s a weekly poll, yet no poll for months has been leaked
      
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      December 1, 2024 11:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is what it is all about. National will vote against the Principles Bill because Luxon says they have to or else
    Strange, I thought we lived in a Democracy and our voted into Parliament MPs were there to represent us, not represent Luxon.
    
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    December 1, 2024 9:33am
    - pdm
      
      Perhaps we should all email our local National Electorate MP showing our support for the Bill.
      
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      December 1, 2024 9:44am
      - sungsamning
        
        Mmmm… yes. I got a letter from Hamish Campbell yesterday. Just the usual boiler plate. I’ll include something about the TPB in my reply.
        
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        December 1, 2024 10:29am
      - Paulus
        
        Done that, and told him Party vote may well go to Act !
        
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        December 1, 2024 10:49am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Done it. Cameron Brewer. All I get from him is emails about meetings over in Hobsonville. I don’t want cookies and a cup of tea mate, or get on the piss with you. I just want you to vote for the Principles Bill ffs!!
        You only got my vote because I wanted a Labour import out of Upper Harbour.
        Don’t expect my vote again unless you perform.
        
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        December 1, 2024 2:26pm
      - Damocles11
        
        I’ll probably vote for Cameron Luxton at the next election. National have to be sent a message.
        
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        December 1, 2024 2:57pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That’s bullshit, democracy is what they have done right from the start, they and NZF have given Act air time for the TPB, they clearly stated from day one this was the position, everyone is happy with that until a leaked internal poll, go for your life with the delusion.
      
      I have many friends that are extremely vocal on politics, the TPB has never once been mentioned, but these people are centre voters, they are more worried about inflation, interest rates, the economy, not this polarising stuff, I will say it again, the elections are won in the centre, and Luxon knows this, he is happy for people to go to the far right, it’s the left he is worried about fracturing away from the centre, do you really think Nats have moved from 38.8 last week to 31% while TPM has moved from 2.5% to 7%? If you do then man you are extremely gullible
      
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      December 1, 2024 11:19am
    - kiwimike
      
      National support co-governance and the TOW is the founding doc of NZ and Maori are indigenous…
      
      they don’t support the other 83% of us.
      It’s why more are voting ACT and NZF
      
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      December 2, 2024 12:18am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Hipkins said to be ahead of Luxon.
    
    In the bullshit and sausage roll competitions maybe.
    
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    December 1, 2024 10:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No it would not
    
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    December 1, 2024 11:10am
- JackRabbit
  
  Duck or you will get hit by a flying pig.
  
  Thrown by an opposition leader accomplished in telling porkies.
  
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  December 1, 2024 10:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well you can catch and eat a pig. Flying dildos not so much.
    And that is were we leave this program for today, please tune in next week for cows and moon stuff……..
    
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    December 1, 2024 2:29pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      …please tune in next week for cows and moon stuff… This news broadcast bought to you by “Pig in a Blanket”.
      
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      December 1, 2024 3:55pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Exactly, Labour private internal TM poll says do, hahaha, they are so deluded, polls last week had the coalition with its largest margin yet, and we are supposed to think a huge amount on Nat voters have moved to TPM what utter bullshit.
  
  So Hipkins says NZers have swung away from labour because they didn’t listen, and he expects oh we want the muppets back
  
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  December 1, 2024 11:00am
  - leoj
    
    Polling for the coalition would improve markedly if Luxon would grow a pair and let we, the public, have a referendum on the Treaty Principles Bill.
    
    That’s all we want is a referendum. WTF is Luxon so scared of? Losing?
    
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    December 1, 2024 1:28pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      Luxon already has a pair, but like most softies they allow the deep state to put them in a vice.
      
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      December 1, 2024 3:56pm
PaulP

Barbara Edmonds looking to repeat the tax and spend (even more) policy that Robertson used to make such a success of the NZ economy.

“Returning to a budget surplus is a moot point if you are not providing Kiwis with the healthcare that they need… This government is governing the country as if they are managers of a company, but that misses the whole point of government, which is to make sure all people are looked after.”

Big trouble if she’s ever Minister of Finance!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360505907/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-starts-his-pitch-tax-reform
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December 1, 2024 8:04am
- Don Beckett
  
  “….which is to make sure all people are looked after.”
  And therein lies the problem – the perfect socialist game plan, and at the same time, ” make sure all people are dependent on the government”.
  
  The government is not there to make sure all people are looked after. It is there to set the conditions for all people to be able to look after themselves & be prosperous – with a safety net for those who fall through the cracks until they are back on their feet, with help if necessary
  
  “Give a man a fish & he will feed his family for a day. Give him a net, & he will feed his family for life.”
  
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  December 1, 2024 11:07am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Well said Don.
    Government welfare has been the downfall of this country.
    
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    December 1, 2024 12:46pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      You won’t be taking your super then? And don’t give me that “paid into … ” dribble. There is no pension fund that has an account with your name on it.
      
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      December 1, 2024 2:10pm
      - carlsbad apple
        
        It’s a shame Muldoon took what has been called the worst decision ever by a New Zealand politician when he canceled the New Zealand Superannuation Scheme in the ’70s.
        
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        December 1, 2024 3:49pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        We’ve paid the contributions, Ian. It’s not our fault that the Govt did not set aside these contributions to make payment on their obligations.
        
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        December 1, 2024 6:17pm
      - kiwikidsnz
        
        You can donate it
        https://sharemysuper.org.nz/
        
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        December 1, 2024 6:27pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        How do you know ?
        
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        December 1, 2024 7:51pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    …give him a fishing net, and he will feed his family for life.
    
    Many regard social welfare and treaty troughing as a net.
    
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    December 1, 2024 3:59pm
- artemisia
  
  The Labour government spend truckloads on health, including race based. Barbara Edmonds could tell we-the-people how that worked out for health stats. Including race based.
  
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  December 1, 2024 12:18pm
- AitchW
  
  Labour loves tax, the Greens love tax, the Maori party loves tax. They sell it to their supporters as making the rich pay their share.
  Of course the ‘rich’ end up paying everyone else’s share as well.
  Hopefully they carry on their quixotic quest to impose a CGT, then it’s up to the parties on the right to demonstrate to the ladies who lunch, the students and the Chardonnay socialists that they’ll all be hit if Labour are elected with (or without) a mandate to introduce a CGT.
  
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  December 1, 2024 1:08pm
- Damocles11
  
  Defund RNZ and the Marsden Fund and a whole swathe of woke bs and we’d have a lot more money for things NZ actually needs.
  
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  December 1, 2024 2:59pm
Yvette

Willie – no he didn’t
• ‘Organised hate campaign’ – Jackson takes aim at Seymour, Luxon and Treaty bill
• Willie Jackson decries coalition and Treaty Principles Bill at Labour Party annual conference
RNZ –Politics Te Ao Māori
Speaking at the Labour Party annual conference, Willie Jackson criticised the coalition leaders for their respective roles in the Treaty Principles Bill.
Willie Jackson decries coalition and Treaty Principles Bill at Labour Party annual conference
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/535297/willie-jackson-decries-coalition-and-treaty-principles-bill-at-labour-party-annual-conference

Willie Jackson has a captive but supportive audience eager to hang on his every word, but says –

“Not since the terrible iwi/kiwi days, the Brash days, anti-Māori days, has New Zealand seen such an organised hate campaign, built upon lies and falsehoods to turn Māori and Pākehā against each other.”

He reiterated his accusation in Parliament that ACT leader David Seymour is a liar, saying he pays Seymour a compliment because if he’s “not a liar”, then “he is a special type of stupid that I have never seen before.”

Jackson said when Seymour is presented with the evidence, “he is either so stupid that he doesn’t understand it, or more likely, he is deliberately ignoring and misrepresenting the 50 years of work we have collectively done.”

So given the golden opportunity, like his late Maori King also had before him – at Waitangi earlier this year, when the King seemed to studiously to avoid any debate with David Seymour, also present at Waitangi – Willie Jackson with the advantage of having the bill now before him, with its few clauses, failed to discuss even one of them in his Conference tirade.

So Willie answered what he calls an ‘organised hate campaign’ with his own ‘organised hate campaign’ and personal abuse – “a special type of stupid that ~~I have never seen before.”~~ we unfortunately see too often, especially from Willie Jackson
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December 1, 2024 8:12am
- pdm
  
  Willie Jackson of course has a talent for stupidity.
  
  In fact it is probably his only talent.
  
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  December 1, 2024 11:56am
  - kiwimike
    
    It has made him a lot of money
    
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    December 2, 2024 12:20am
imalwaysright

Are there any races more pampered than Maori?
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December 1, 2024 8:15am
Hugh Jarse

It’s the CGT policy that has pushed labour into 1st place, high taxation and more government servants will be such a vote winner in 2026. Plus TPM has doubled their share in this poll. High taxation and co-governance, a winning combo for 2026 !.

I wonder why Stuff have it as an exclusive from Labour ?, couldn’t find any gang members to have a cry this weekend ?
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December 1, 2024 8:18am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Labour have been taking CGT since last summer, and you believe they have jumped to the lead just like that when they poll 700 people rapidly before a conference where Hipkins is scared of being lynched
  
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  December 1, 2024 11:24am
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    Maybe I needed to signal sarcasm in my post more clearly
    
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    December 1, 2024 12:52pm
    - greybeard
      
      I think you should: I myself find it quite hard at times to differentiate between truth and sarcasm on this blog.
      
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      December 1, 2024 5:37pm
  - Paulus
    
    Labour say this because it sounds good.
    “CGT” – wow, bleed the rich – love the PR they can get from it.
    Look at how it will affect their KiwiSaver Accounts because in this super “CGT” it will help savers lose more money, they will not know about.
    Only Kiwisaver Managers win anyway.
    
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    December 1, 2024 1:40pm
    - marcw
      
      From Google “The Māori economy is estimated to be worth over NZD$70 billion, and is expected to reach NZD$100 billion by 2030.”
      
      Could one of the CGT admirers in the media ask Hipkins this question – In principle, do you intend to include all Maori businesses/corporations/trusts in your future CGT collection legislation?
      
      I doubt any MSM would dare, and if one did, Hipkins would fudge the answer.
      
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      December 1, 2024 2:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I must admit I was surprised at the size of the turnout at the Labour Party conference

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/535315/treaty-principles-bill-only-one-of-the-issues-labour-s-focussed-on-chris-hipkins

Though it does seem the Labour Party is heavily supported by older folk of a pale hue.
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December 1, 2024 8:24am
- CJames
  
  Maggy – Won’t Labour be fighting with NZ First for support from that demographic?
  
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  December 1, 2024 8:27am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Labour are fighting TPM, that’s where the support comes from
    
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    December 1, 2024 11:26am
- MCōs
  
  The main stream party conferences are never going to attract thrill seekers
  
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  December 1, 2024 8:35am
- kowtow
  
  ‘older folk of a pale hue’
  
  Troughers.
  
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  December 1, 2024 9:06am
- DeepBlue
  
  120 will MPs or aspiring MPs, plus Wood and friends.
  
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  December 1, 2024 9:07am
- pdm
  
  Maggy obviously 100% turn out of Union activists and delegates.
  
  I see they let `WeeWillie’ speak and dragged has been Nanaia Mahuta out too – they must be really worried about the Maori vote going to the activists in the Maori Party.
  
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  December 1, 2024 9:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Taxpayer’s Union was there.
    
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    December 1, 2024 10:08am
- JackRabbit
  
  I must admit I was surprised at the size of the turnout at the Labour Party conference.
  
  To put it into proper perspective:
  
  [1] What were the actual demographics of the audience?
  
  [2] How many were paid or previously paid to be there?
  
  If you spend 6 years heaving billions in cash out of a helicopter, anyone who was a recipient will turn up to complain because the helicopters are being grounded.
  
  You can become addicted to narcotics.
  You can become addicted to helicopter payments and troughs.
  You can become addicted to hearing lies.
  And those people who cannot think, cannot distinguish between truth and lies.
  
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  December 1, 2024 10:29am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  300 there and they said half were MPs or passed MPs, I would hardly call that a huge number of people
  
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  December 1, 2024 11:25am
  - Don Beckett
    
    “… half were MPs or passed MPs”.
    
    So you are saying some have died. 😆
    
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    December 1, 2024 11:54am
    - greybeard
      
      Like Democrat voters…
      
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      December 1, 2024 5:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Willie Jackson discovers the working class….

Jackson spoke of his “working-class roots”, saying “solidarity is best expressed in class.”

“While identity remains incredibly important only a class strategy can deliver equity for all New Zealanders.”

“working-class Labour values are to work together, not for just one’s own interests, but for everyone’s interests.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/535297/willie-jackson-decries-coalition-and-treaty-principles-bill-at-labour-party-annual-conference

Ya gotta laff….

Willie wouldn’t know the meaning of work…..
and somehow he seems to have forgotten the divide & conquer techniques his Labour cronies used during the covid crisis.
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December 1, 2024 8:37am
- Damocles11
  
  “Labour values are to work together, not for just one’s own interests, but for everyone’s interests.” Said Willie.
  That’s what all the people opposing your racial separatist & anti democratic agenda want too Willie. You don’t live your own purported values Willie.
  
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  December 1, 2024 8:41am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    ““Labour values are to work together, not for just one’s own interests” says the guy who spearheaded the ethnostate agenda under the previous government, and told us that “democracy has changed”.
    
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    December 1, 2024 10:54am
- CJames
  
  Not how he uses the woke word equity. That would have been deliberately chosen. The socialist nirvana. Though I don’t know where making the Maori elites the overlords fits into the paradise.
  Is Venezuela or Cuba their exemplar?
  
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  December 1, 2024 9:08am
  - pdm
    
    Zimbabwe maybe.
    
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    December 1, 2024 9:14am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The thing about equity in a corporate sense is everyone can have some, but some have more than others. Perhaps that’s what Willie had in mind.
    
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    December 1, 2024 9:17am
  - JohnRidd
    
    I agree CJames.
    
    The word “equity” roughly translates as ” I am a Marxist”.
    
    Which can be confusing as the words “diversity” and “inclusion” mean exactly the same thing.
    
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    December 1, 2024 9:24am
- Swifty
  
  It’s true he has working class roots but those are roots he left many, many years ago.
  
  Now he is firmly in the crony capitalist class, deriding significant sums annually from government contracts he is involved in, and like a hare hunting with the hounds, now is also a core member of New Zealand’s political class, very recently as a Minister handing out those very contracts he is such a beneficiary of.
  
  I wonder what Willie Jackson’s immediate family wealth is? Under $10 million or over $10 million? His house in Mangere Bridge is worth a few million alone.
  
  Yep, Willie discarded his working class roots long ago.
  
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  December 1, 2024 9:10am
- artemisia
  
  Willie Jackson is right for Labour to plan to (re)capture working class voters. The strategy worked pretty well in the US recently.
  
  Could Labour make that work so well here? Highly doubtful unless Labour does some 180 degree ideology shifts.
  
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  December 1, 2024 9:15am
  - Eastlander
    
    The politically radicalised maoris won’t accept a political platform that is not primarily for their benefit. Labour’s attempts to thread the needle by appealing to both maori nationalists and the general public are doomed to failure.
    
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    December 1, 2024 9:57am
    - pdm
      
      The best thing that could happen for New Zealand is for Labour to win all 7 Maori Seats.
      
      At 3% Party Vote the Maori Party are out of Parliament and a Labour 30% and Greens 12% does not a Government make.
      
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      December 1, 2024 12:02pm
      - Eastlander
        
        Even better because labour could only achieve this by matching or surpassing maori party radicalism… which would knock down their party vote further.
        
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        December 1, 2024 5:14pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Willie has been getting ideas from Trump about the working class?
    
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    December 1, 2024 10:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    So Jackson a known Trump hater thinks he will go down the Trump avenue
    
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    December 1, 2024 11:29am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Hypocrites will do anything for attention.
      Labour Conference still going today. I think it is a 3 day pissup.
      
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      December 1, 2024 2:35pm
- Eastlander
  
  What common class interest could maori possibly have with those who do the work in this country?
  
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  December 1, 2024 10:01am
- sungsamning
  
  Oh, did he grow up in a ‘middle class family’? Did he ever work in Maccas?
  
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  December 1, 2024 10:31am
- nathie
  
  Willie Jackson made a fiery speech on Saturday, saying the coalition government was taking the country down a path of “division and hate” in relation to the Treaty Principles Bill.
  
  Hipkins said he believed the party should be dealing with the issues that were “on the table today”.
  
  “We didn’t put this issue on the table, the current government did.”
  
  Oh dear … Chippie just happens to conveniently forget that the Ardern/Hipkins Labour Govt 2017-2023 drove the racial division (He Puapua anyone) and gaslights the Coalition.
  
  So more lies, deceit and a continuation of the radical/activist hard-left agenda, attempting to re-invent society against the wishes of everyday NZers … proving that the Labour leopard never changes its spots and is doomed to fail.
  
  Meanwhile TPM laugh at Labour as they take more of their voters off them. For TPM, to them, who cares if they are in Opposition as they get paid to agitate and undermine and the gullible Labour losers pretend all is well.
  
  Pre-1840 Maori had a word for the gullible “whitey” and modern day Labour epitomise it!
  
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  December 1, 2024 12:10pm
Quail

Roll on a wealth tax or indeed just more tax.
MMP is enabling the same old policies and same old politicians to be reiterated again and again.
The losers are the NZ voting public
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December 1, 2024 8:42am
- imalwaysright
  
  Quail,
  Why don’t you give your income and anything you own to the government.
  Put it all on Trademe and send the proceeds to IRD.
  
  I’m positive they will use it efficiently for your benefit and the country’s…
  
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  December 1, 2024 11:11am
  - Quail
    
    Iar,
    FYI the comment you responded to was an example of irony ( sarcasm even)
    If you had read the total post you may have got the message.
    Another quote from a USA President “ any government that can do everything for you can also take everything off you”
    
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    December 1, 2024 1:08pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Point taken Quail, it was a bit ambiguous though.
      
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      December 1, 2024 2:49pm
carlsbad apple

I’ve just watched the interview of David Seymour by Julian Wilcox regarding ACT’s Treaty Principles Bill. This is the most constructive interview about the bill that I’ve seen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3TH9hsqD7g

Apologies if this has already been covered at KB
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December 1, 2024 8:46am
Mod88

Look out Brian Tamaki’s God Squad……

Gang patch ban: Police already seeking to expand list of groups covered by legislation
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December 1, 2024 8:51am
lifesgood

Seriously? They have to be joking. I simply cannot see any right leaning voter going over to Labour.
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December 1, 2024 8:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Well the poll suggests a huge amount of Nat voters have gone over to TPM they have zoomed up to 7% which is bullshit
  
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  December 1, 2024 11:31am
DeepBlue

Friday headline: Labour will choose its tax direction by vote.
Sunday deep in text: None of the three options were voted in. More work to be done.

And there you have it; Labour cannot agree on tax.
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December 1, 2024 9:09am
imalwaysright

Watching Luxon being berated by Tame.
Luxon looks weak, he can’t get his point across and lets Tame continually interrupt.

Jack is throwing his toys out of the cot, and Christopher is running round the room trying to catch them.

Sad.
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December 1, 2024 9:14am
- 70andstilllearning
  
  ‘ …. and lets Tame continually interrupt.”
  
  It’s simpler to let a kid throwing a tantrum wear himself out. Trying to reason with them just makes them howl louder…
  
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  December 1, 2024 11:29am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He has given up with the media, and I don’t blame him, he has told them as much.
  
  I heard Luxon answering questions on Friday, they kept banging him Labour will you bring back the Māori health authority, he hung strong, he stated that will definitely not be happening, he pointed to the election campaign and the win as a mandate, he suggested the tribunal can say it all they like but the answer is no
  
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  December 1, 2024 11:34am
CJames

Great to see Karl du Fresne has posted another article rubbishing the Wellington Airport woke rebranding. https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2024/11/wellington-airports-rebranding-exercise.html
I regret that his articles are now so infrequent. We need more like him.
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December 1, 2024 9:18am
- PurplePen
  
  And what’s the point. Having read the article I remember now the airport has the tag line wild at heart, but it never enters my consciousness when thinking or using the airport. Has Changi airport ever rebranded? What about the likes of Nike, Coca Cola. Changi just gets on with it and builds stuff.
  
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  December 1, 2024 9:54am
- Jack5
  
  Here’s the original Stop Press piece which Karl du Fresne bases his article on:
  
  https://stoppress.co.nz/news/wellington-airport-tells-the-story-of-its-ancestors-as-it-rebrands-to-wlg/
  
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  December 1, 2024 10:01am
- cmm
  
  They’ve got a long way to go yet. It is still called Wellington.
  
  Last week I flew to Napier for the day. On the return flight the pilot kept talking about a place called Otautahi. I don’t think he said Christchurch once.
  
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  December 1, 2024 10:32am
  - Cantabrian
    
    Have younoticed the same word is used for the place where the first cricket test is being played? No mention of Christchurch – I wonder what overseas viewers think?
    
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    December 1, 2024 11:41am
    - graham
      
      I wonder how new immigrants, especially those with English as a second language, cope.
      
      Depending on what you watch or listen to, you may well hear the same place referred to by three names:
      
      Auckland / Tamaki Makaurau / Tamaki Makaurau Auckland
      Christchurch / Otautahi / Otautahi Christchurch
      Hamilton / Kirikiriroa / Kirikiriroa Hamilton
      etc.
      
      I have no idea how new immigrants are meant to learn just what the actual name of some of these cities is.
      
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      December 1, 2024 12:57pm
  - PurplePen
    
    I was on a flight back from Oz and the Customs video started out with ‘Welcome to Aotearoa ‘. I was surprised. I imagine for foreigners it might give them a fright.
    
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    December 1, 2024 1:42pm
- Gussy Fink-Nottle
  
  Apparently, Wellington airport is “a place of unparalleled aerial activation.”
  WTF?
  
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  December 1, 2024 10:32am
- sungsamning
  
  Didn’t they get the memo. Trump won. Woke is dead.
  
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  December 1, 2024 10:35am
- Philview
  
  I also miss Karl’s journalism but he was starting to have the whole NZ left wing apparatus pushing against him. The media and academics calling him out as Far Right activist on the payroll of US MAGA organisations. Obviously complete lies but who can be bothered with that battle when he is a retired grandfather with no political support just speaking his mind in what used to be a free country.
  
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  December 1, 2024 1:33pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

It turns out that an immigrant lied to get to NZ (a refugee, in this case). Quelle surprise.

He, and everyone in his family who aided his arrival should have their citizenship cancelled & be sent back. If only to encourage tge others.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360503837/interview-dead-woman-refugee-sex-offenders-mother-wants-him-home
(Paywalled)
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December 1, 2024 9:21am
surfing

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14141177/ANDREW-NEIL-Starmer-government-hapless-student-politicians.html

UK are getting a taste of what NZ had . . . it was so easily predictable. Nearly 1 million migrants entered the UK in the last year… that is nation destroying numbers.
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December 1, 2024 9:31am
CJames

Retired judge Anthony Willy has posted his views on Sovereignty (spoiler alert – he supports ACT’s bill)
With regards the KC letter, he writes “Given that the Common law position is clear it is surprising that a group of 44 Kings Counsel, who are meant to be the most senior and learned lawyers in the Profession have publicly taken sides in the debate over the Treaty Principles Bill. Whereas any individual irrespective of their calling is entitled to speak publicly for or against the bill, it is wrong to politicise their important status by intervening as a collective. James Farmer our most senior KC understood this and although he has an opinion on the Bill he declined the join this bandwagon. He is supported in this by a number of other senior Kings Counsel. This intervention should be dismissed as adding nothing to the merits of the debate.”
https://www.nzcpr.com/sovereignty-in-new-zealand-2/
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December 1, 2024 9:34am
- PurplePen
  
  Brilliant piece. Thanks for that. Useful material for a submission as well.
  
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  December 1, 2024 10:08am
Bridgenag

The Morality Paradox
High Agency Versus Goal Oriented Behaviors

“Diplomacy is the art of telling people to go to hell in such a way that they ask for directions.” ― Winston S. Churchill

“Diplomacy is the art of letting someone else have your way.”

―Sir David Frost

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/the-morality-paradox?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 1, 2024 9:38am
artemisia

Starting to look like a resource consent might be granted for a co-founder of Xero to create a high value golf course in the Horowhenua. Probably many conditions, though very significant concessions have been made. There has been a stream of lawfare from the local iwi, the latest being a High Court application for judicial review against Horowhenua District Council relating to land use consents. The application failed on all three grounds. Not a cheap exercise for any of the parties.

Most of the land in question has been in private ownership since the 19th century but suddenly a rich lister pops up and plans a development.

Follow the money?

(As an aside, one of the grounds for judicial review related to ‘adverse effects’, and the HC decision noted that it had been proposed in a related Environment Court hearing that the people who might sustain adverse effects were the users of the proposed golf course who broke what was said to be the tapu of the Site.)
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December 1, 2024 9:42am
- Inandout
  
  art, I understand that Council is very much in bed with the local tribe. The ex Councillor Wayne Bishop has extensive developments all round the district without any Maori problems.
  
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  December 1, 2024 10:11am
  - artemisia
    
    There is a Memorandum of Partnership. I have not read it.
    
    One would think locals would like the idea of jobs and spending and not spend years finding ways to stop it.
    
    Peter Thiel also ran into the NIMBYs.
    
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    December 1, 2024 11:17am
  - artemisia
    
    The HD Council had to respond to the judicial review application in the High Court. The HC decision is very detailed. It didn’t end well for the iwi applicant regardless of the MoP.
    
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    December 1, 2024 11:30am
Jack5

Wily-Willie Jackson comes from dinkum-red Labour folk. He was a socialist first and Maori second until the recent resurgence of Maori activism.

Siblings of William Wakatere Jackson’s father, Syd and Moana, were both notably active in Labour and in trade unions. Willie’s father and mother, Bob and June, were leaders of the Urban Maori movement of the 1970s and and 1980s.

Willie’s first wife remembers Willie and his scant knowledge of the “Treaty” in those days:

https://e-tangata.co.nz/comment-and-analysis/moana-maniapoto-the-willie-jackson-i-know/

Poster Steve Otto just last Monday in general debate posted (without giving his source) what he said was Willie’s analysis from one of those DNA ancestry tests:

18% English
34% Chinese
25% Ashkenazi Jew
0.4% African
20% Polynesian
2% Spanish

These genealogy-type tests can be flaky when it comes to racial origins, but if this one was accurate, Willie would be primarily Jewish-Chinese. IQ does have a genetic factor, and this should have made him smarter.
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December 1, 2024 9:46am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  The tv program dna detectives covered Willie a few years ago 2015
  
  Quite hard to find anywhere now…
  
  https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6uodxm
  
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  December 1, 2024 11:30am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I saw it a while ago. Willie is part Jewish and he hates Jews.
    
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    December 1, 2024 1:29pm
    - MCōs
      
      Willie hates Jews, does he?
      Or did you just make that up now?
      
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      December 1, 2024 3:05pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Most of the left do. Do you think he is the exception?
        
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        December 1, 2024 3:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My source was some clown on X. No idea who he really is.
  All I did was search willie jackson DNA.
  
  Got this:
  https://x.com/NZMAGAMike/status/1699609185082859840?lang=en
  
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  December 1, 2024 12:02pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Forgot, my comment was a bit tongue in cheek, or maybe just cheek.
    
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    December 1, 2024 2:37pm
BeaB

Some karma in seeing Trudeau crawling to Trump after all his childish sneering. Remember Jacinda Ardern sharing giggles with her mates about Trump mistaking her for Trudeau’s wife and then trying to deny she had ever said it, to Jack Tame. Who, to his credit, persisted until she had to stop prevaricating and blustering but of course he got it in the neck from all her starry-eyed followers, especially those in the media who had totally fallen for her bs.
We have paid a heavy price for the media and so many of the public falling in love with a politician. I much prefer someone boring who just gets on with the job he told us he would do.
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December 1, 2024 9:48am
- nathie
  
  “So many of the public falling in love with a politician.”
  
  How can we forget that only a couple of years ago, a MSM outlet had to investigate whether their Parliamentary Press Gallery reporter actually called out that they “loved” Ardern.
  
  Probably started off as a “naughty” rumor from an “anti-Ardernist” social media post, but none the less because of the overblown hype of Saint Jacindamania the MSM outlet conducted an investigation, presumably in order to rule it out and restore some sense of credibility.
  
  Almost hard to believe nowadays … but that was the “Jacindamania hysteria” the MSM, mainly as a whole, promoted, that it was somewhat potentially conceivable that a Parliamentary reporter actually said what they were thinking out loud!
  
  Strange manufactured times that thankfully we will never have to experience again!
  
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  December 1, 2024 12:27pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    The Ardern years were really the end for any pretense of impartiality in Legacy NZ media, the public woke up, and tuned them out and now the Legacy media are consigned to a slow withering death.
    
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    December 1, 2024 12:59pm
Scooter

I hate to go down a rabbit hole but another auto pilot incident? I would have thought one of the most basic and first things to learn is with the auto pilot. Unless there was another reason the ship sunk, just days before the Chogm meeting.
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December 1, 2024 9:55am
- imalwaysright
  
  Scooter,
  
  I’m thinking it was Waiata time on the bridge.
  No one is allowed to interrupt a waiata for any reason.
  Or maybe they all had haka practice.
  Or maybe they were all swotting for their Rainbow Tick…
  
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  December 1, 2024 11:21am
- BeaB
  
  Why was the auto pilot heading the ship towards the reef?
  
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  December 1, 2024 4:20pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mMAybBais0
More PURGES Hit China’s Military.
Trump threatens devastating tariffs on China. Chinese warplanes shadow US jets over the Taiwan Strait. And more high level purges in China’s military. That and more on this week’s China news headlines. [A purge? Gotta get rid of those ‘corrupt’ people in the other faction. Do it to them before they do it to you.]
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December 1, 2024 10:23am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMFuESgMNwY
Mountain Collapses In Congo Reveals Tonnes Of Copper.
Wongel Zelalem reports on a mountain collapsing in the Katanga region of the Democratic Republic of Congo, revealing tonnes of copper.
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December 1, 2024 10:23am
- JackRabbit
  
  It didn’t collapse on its own. It was done deliberately by the miners to get at the copper.
  
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  December 1, 2024 1:35pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, I guess it worked as intended.
    
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    December 1, 2024 4:26pm
- PurplePen
  
  Well, that’s good news. From another source …
  
  Energy transition currently means “electrify everything”: cars, heating, industrial plants, machines, rather than use fossil fuels. To do that, we need COPPER —and lots of it, for solar panels, wind turbines, electric vehicles. A typical EV contains about 80kg of copper. Copper is needed for the giant batteries that will provide power when the sun isn’t shining and the wind isn’t blowing. Its needed to massively expand and upgrade the countless kilometres of power cables that undergird the energy grid in practically every country.
  
  S&P Global predicts the copper needed over the next 25 years will add up to more than the human race has consumed in its entire history.
  
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  December 1, 2024 1:49pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    And taking the USA as an example, where 85% of energy (not just electricity) is from fossil fuel, there will be solar cells as far as the eye can see; ~~trifids~~ wind turbines like trees every where; there will be no trees; no farmland; ~~skynet~~ A.I. drones covering the sky like flocks of birds to ensure you do not plant trees, vegetables, or raise animals for food.
    
    We will live in 15 minute cities and eat Soylent Green.
    
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    December 1, 2024 2:32pm
Grunter

Trump has just announced plans to put 100% tariff on all BRICs countries unless they continue to support the USD.

At the same time he wants to up the anti on banning nations from the Swift system if they do not behave (eg Russia).

So now what happens? Everyone just ‘behaves’ according to what the US deems appropriate?

Yeah right….
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December 1, 2024 10:37am
- JackRabbit
  
  “Competition is a sin”: John D Rockefeller. It appears that Trump follows this mantra.
  
  The USA needs to embrace the concept of a free market, and trade competitively, instead of legislating and blocking competition.
  
  If it is going to ban countries that “start wars”, then it should be banning itself for all the wars it started, currently has going on, and/or are financing, and/or supplying arms to. The Ukraine being the first one, closely followed by the Gaza strip.
  
  Rather than trying to use NATO to bully Russia, why not keep to the original NATO agreement that the USA and/or NATO would not move into or take over territories directly or by Proxy, adjoining Russia. The USA would be spitting tacks if the Russians moved into Mexico.
  
  Trump wanted to create peace with it’s enemies in his previous term. What has changed?
  
  They claim Russia is a big source of hacking, including “state actors”, however most hacking / security breaches / attempts we track, either originate from China or the USA. Russian is way down the list way way below countries like Vietnam.
  
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  December 1, 2024 1:47pm
  - marcw
    
    Using your “original NATO agreement” argument, you are against, for example, Finland being granted membership? (Finland shares 1,271.8 km of border with Russia.)
    
    The terms of NATO membership being:
    
    “NATO brings together sovereign countries from Europe and North America, consulting and cooperating in the field of security and defence.
    
    All Alliance decisions are taken by consensus, with each Ally having an equal say. Members are committed to the same values and share the strategic goal of maintaining security in the Euro-Atlantic area.
    
    NATO members have pledged to support each other against attack, in accordance with Article 5 of the Alliance’s founding treaty, which asserts that an attack against one is an attack against all.”
    
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    December 1, 2024 2:24pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      That agreement only applies to members of NATO.
      
      It says nothing about agreements and reassurances given to Russia.
      
      “In 1999, Russia condemned the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, which was done without a prior authorization by the United Nations Security Council, required by the international law.
      
      For many in Moscow, a combination of NATO’s incorporation of Eastern Europe and its military attack on sovereign Yugoslavia exposed American promises of Russia’s inclusion into a new European security architecture as a deceit. Yeltsin’s critics said: ‘Belgrade today, Moscow tomorrow!’
      
      Russian President Boris Yeltsin said that NATO’s bombing of Yugoslavia “has trampled upon the foundations of international law and the United Nations charter.”The Kosovo War ended on 11 June 1999, and a joint NATO-Russian peacekeeping force was to be installed in Kosovo. Russia had expected to receive a peacekeeping sector independent of NATO, and was angered when this was refused.
      
      There was concern that a separate Russian sector might lead to a partition of Kosovo between a Serb-controlled north and Albanian south. From 12 to 26 June 1999, there was a brief but tense stand-off between NATO and the Russian Kosovo Force in which Russian troops occupied the Pristina International Airport. “
      
      The war in the Ukraine is about Morgan and Blackrock getting their dirty hands on the rich mineral deposits.
      
      Russia just happened to be in the way, so NATO/USA started a war.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93NATO_relations
      
      In the same way as NATO/USA torpedoed the Russian / German pipeline, that was strong competition with the USA Oil/Gas industry. Now Germany has an energy crisis.
      
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      December 1, 2024 2:43pm
- NoFax
  
  On the USD as the reserve currency, most people get it wrong and in this case Trump misunderstands as well. The USD is the reserve currency because the US is strong not the other way around. The USD has remained the dominate player for 4 main reasons:
  1. The USD is fully convertible
  2. The US has no capital controls
  3. The US government has not and is very unlikely to confiscate property without compensation
  4. The USD has a significant size in order to actually operate as a reserve currency i,e, there are enough dollars in circulation
  
  If other countries want to be the reserve currency, even though there is little to no benefit apart from some form of prestige, then they will need to reform their economies in order to be like the US. No one wants Chinese Yuan – not even the Chinese
  
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  December 1, 2024 6:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump Plans National Energy Council To Boost US Drilling Efforts.
Drill baby drill.

https://americanvoterpolls.com/trump-plans-national-energy-council-to-boost-us-drilling-efforts/
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December 1, 2024 10:38am
- carlsbad apple
  
  Intersting article – thanks. It’s certainly not an optimistic view of Trump’s plan.
  
  “However, reality check alert: Trump’s lofty energy ambitions may run into some serious obstacles. Despite his enthusiasm, U.S. oil production is reportedly at record levels under the Biden administration, and good luck trying to mandate companies to drill for more oil against their will. It’s a classic case of wanting to impose will on market dynamics, which traditionally do not bend easily to political whims. The drilling boom may come, but it will depend on the private sector’s decisions, weighed against the intricate balance of supply and demand globally.”
  
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  December 1, 2024 1:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Who teaches you all of this wholesale nonsense?
    The market demand will prevail. Record levels under Biden when he did things like the Dakota pipeline, and gave Alaska shit? The leftist propaganda machine works – but it must have been on google so it is true?
    
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    December 1, 2024 2:42pm
    - carlsbad apple
      
      Steve, that is a quoted from the article in your comment! Didn’t you read it?
      
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      December 1, 2024 3:00pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        “Reportedly.” By whom? TV1 Network News again, or ABC?
        
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        December 2, 2024 7:50am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump’s Return Spurs Iran To Shift Diplomacy And Rethink Aggression.
Suddenly Iran wants to play nice!
“Just weeks ago, Iran was bent on total annihilation of the “Zionist entity,” while today they find themselves meeting with Elon Musk and discussing their nuclear intentions in Geneva.”

https://americanvoterpolls.com/trumps-return-spurs-iran-to-shift-diplomacy-and-rethink-aggression/
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December 1, 2024 10:45am
- PurplePen
  
  Funny how as soon as you put a disruptor and somewhat unpredictable in the Whitehouse, the rest of the unpredictables in other countries sit up and take notice and start to behave.
  
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  December 1, 2024 1:51pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They sure do PurplePen. They know from last time that Trump means business.
    The Democrats are not going to destroy the Republicans in 2028 by cheating. The cheating game is over.
    
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    December 1, 2024 2:45pm
- MCōs
  
  The advantage countries like Iran have dealing with the likes of Musk is he probably thinks he’s far better at negotiating with these dudes than he really is.
  Trump found out that he was no match for Kim Jong Un.
  
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  December 1, 2024 3:55pm
Tasman devil

No worries…….many Labour supporters are sufferers of Stockholm Syndrome, and eventually they work it out.

They are victims held hostage to their lives having been dominated by Jacindamania and can’t see for now the damage caused to them.

Time is a great healer.

We need to have that conversation.
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December 1, 2024 10:45am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear….

UK Labour Cabinet Minister forgot she committed fraud.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/29/louise-haigh-labour-outspoken-young-survivor-is-derailed-by-her-past
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December 1, 2024 11:09am
- cmm
  
  More disturbing is having a ” partygoing twentysomething living in London” put in charge of drawing up what might turn out to be UKs transport policies.
  
  Shudder, shudder!
  
  Remember when the Poms had half the world under their control? Now they don’t even control London.
  
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  December 1, 2024 11:32am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    But the Poms running the world then were educated men.
    
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    December 1, 2024 12:01pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  As reported it looks a clear case of a stitchup by starmer to get rid of an inconvenience
  
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  December 1, 2024 11:36am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

After Trump Threatens Heavy Tariffs, Mexico President Reportedly Promises to ‘Stop’ Migrant Caravans.
Other news says she didn’t, by changing their wording. Typical left media trick.

https://pjnewsletter.com/trump-tariffs-mexico-president/?
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December 1, 2024 11:20am
- carlsbad apple
  
  Sheinbaum has a different take on the conversation.
  
  https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/28/politics/trump-mexican-president-call-tariffs/index.html
  
  In her own statement about the conversation, Sheinbaum said she shared Mexico’s immigration strategy with the president-elect and stressed that her country’s “position is not to close borders.”
  
  “In our conversation with President Trump, I explained to him the comprehensive strategy that Mexico has followed to address the migration phenomenon, respecting human rights,” Sheinbaum said Wednesday on X. Thanks to this, migrants and caravans are assisted before they arrive at the border. We reiterate that Mexico’s position is not to close borders but to build bridges between governments and between peoples.”
  
  But we know Trump and his perfect phone calls.
  
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  December 1, 2024 2:01pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You didn’t read:
    “Other news says she didn’t, by changing their wording. Typical left media trick.”
    
    CNN? Get a life mate! TV1 Network News is much, much better!
    
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    December 1, 2024 2:48pm
    - carlsbad apple
      
      They were Sheinbaum’s own words which have been published not just by CNN but by numerous other news organisations.
      
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      December 1, 2024 3:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Overreach on Covid.
“And is this all Labour’s fault? No. The bigger culprits, in my mind: media hype, social media pylons, and unwavering support for the party pushing that lockdown agenda. The problem was tunnel vision. It was arrogance, ignorance or both, and now we’re all paying a very hefty price tag for it.”

https://centrist.nz/covid-inquiry-is-a-verdict-of-overreach-and-broken-trust/?
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December 1, 2024 12:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Indoctrination or education.
Treaty book in schools says Maori did not cede sovereignty.
Same as the comic that was sent to all high schools in 2018. This grooming nonsense has to be stopped.

https://centrist.nz/indoctrination-or-education-anonymous-donor-gifts-partisan-te-tiriti-handbook-to-all-nz-high-schools/?
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December 1, 2024 12:15pm
- nathie
  
  So will MoE and School Principals allow a counter point of view booklet to be distributed?
  
  Or even NZCPR’s booklet on Sir Āpirana Ngata’s historical view of the Treaty?
  
  Ya know in the interests of balance and fair debate?
  
  Or does the MoE and School Principals no longer subscribe to such “quaint/racist” notions?
  
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  December 1, 2024 12:36pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    How can a member of the public be allowed to interfere with the curriculum?
    
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    December 1, 2024 1:00pm
    - PurplePen
      
      It might not be used in the curriculum but just added to each school library. Don’t know. But you can bet the teachers will be issuing gold stars to anyone that checks the book out.
      
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      December 1, 2024 1:53pm
      - MCōs
        
        Of course it won’t be part of the curriculum
        I’m sure schools get all sorts of unsolicited literature, which they review before they decide if it’s of any use
        
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        December 1, 2024 7:53pm
    - Sacha
      
      Anyone can donate books to the school library. If you want to donate a history book, that’s fine.
      It’s not a text book.
      I’d rather hope that the principals keep their copy on their office shelf for when they have time to read it later. Maybe over the Christmas hols if they remember to pack it.
      
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      December 2, 2024 8:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    No way!
    Sir Āpirana Ngata’s view, or the true English Littlewood Draft to be let loose in schools to give the children the option of deciding which is fake?
    No way. Principals also want to keep their cushy jobs.
    
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    December 1, 2024 3:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Do you really think kids are going to rush to their school library to read it?
  
  I suspect many (if not most) will be as heartily sick of Tof W lessons by the age of 12 as I was hearing about the journeys of Captain Cook.
  
  Youngsters are more interested in the big wide modern world than they are in the ancient scribbles and squabbles of long dead folk .
  
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  December 1, 2024 12:48pm
  - PurplePen
    
    And the latest fashion tips, tech and music.
    
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    December 1, 2024 1:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I’m not quite sure but I think the books and the previous comic was put in classrooms as well as the library.
    I will have a look, but if I post a link the Mods may be on my back again.
    
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    December 1, 2024 3:03pm
Jack5

Smarmy Jack was giving PM Luxon a hard time on TVNZ today about NZ’s economic growth rate.

But he used IMF growth data for 2023 – before the Coalition Government took control!

Tame then confused economic growth with inflation.

Tame said:

“…all developed countries are bringing inflation down now, but for some reason New Zealand’s 179th out of 200. Worse than we were 12 months ago.”

Tame’s “179th out of 200” refers to growth data, rather than inflation! He doesn’t know the difference.

TVNZ is suffocating in its own stupidity.

Still, the Prime Minister should reflect on the consquences of the Coalition’s tardiness in sorting out both taxpayer funded and owned State TV and State radio, and taxpayer-subsidised print and internet media.

Tame and the PM:

https://youtu.be/5lwEkGh9tvw?si=9zAEJHxyfgg7BJzS
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December 1, 2024 12:19pm
- imalwaysright
  
  A bit rich when Tame said he realised Luxon blaming the previous regime for us being skint was “politically convenient “.
  Luxon looked like a pupil answering to the headmaster why his homework wasn’t done.
  
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  December 1, 2024 1:16pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Jack later had climate alarmist Rod Carr, who is finishing next week. He asked about one thing that would make a real difference. His answer was to ban homes from getting hooked to gas for water heating and cooking. He made no mention of nuclear power generation, which would make a difference and has been recommended at COP29.
  
  We must take into account that Carr has no science qualifications.
  
  Climate Change Commission: Is NZ doing enough? | Q+A 2024
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fzseElYIrE
  
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  December 1, 2024 2:03pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Pretty damn difficult to do a practical science degree when you’ve been legally blind since birth.
    
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    December 1, 2024 2:58pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      He has a PhD in Insurance and Risk Management, an MA in Applied Economics and Managerial Science, an MBA in Money and Finance and honours degrees in law and economics. However, Managerial Science is different than a science degree like David Seymour has.
      
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      December 1, 2024 3:10pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Banning gas might make a difference, but not to the climate.
    Anyone who thinks that the right way to fix the climate (btw, it’s not broken) is to start banning stuff isn’t our friend.
    He also thinks that ridding ourselves of fossil fuels makes economic sense. I’m no economist like he is, but that seems like complete todge to me.Check out Germany, UK, California for evidence that the opposite is true.
    Step 1: appoint somebody who isn’t an alarmist to head the commission.
    Step 2: Get rid of the commission, because net zero ain’t gonna happen.
    
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    December 1, 2024 4:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tame just talks from a script. Of course he doesn’t know any difference – too stupid to even know that the leftist writers are using him.
  I did not watch, I might from your link Jack. Thanks.
  A quick skip through. Tame did say Luxon did not answer the question asked many times.
  
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  December 1, 2024 4:09pm
  - MCōs
    
    Did you watch the interview or not?
    
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    December 1, 2024 7:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Nikki Kaye’s Father dies.
What a bad week for the Kaye Family.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/11/29/peter-kaye-the-father-of-former-national-mp-nikki-kaye-dies/?
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December 1, 2024 12:21pm
- NothingLeft
  
  A true horror to see your kid die of cancer. Poor bastard.
  
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  December 1, 2024 12:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He was already sick, but what terrible trauma when your Daughter dies when he was having a struggle himself.
    
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    December 1, 2024 4:16pm
Jack5

Headline in the British newspaper, The Telegraph:

“Australia has overtaken New Zealand and Canada as the West’s most authoritarian nation”

The sub-heading that follows says:”Countries will ultimately find they can’t ban their way out of everything and expect to have anything of value left.”

The article that follows, by Zoe Strimpel, says that since Covid, Australia and New Zealand these countries have come out as draconian, inhumane and robotic in their approach to law making.

Strimpel describes Ardern’s anti-Covid measures as “infantilising in the extreme” and adds another Labour measure — NZ’s total smoking ban on those born after 2008.

The writer lambasts Australia for its ban on all social media for children under the age of 16. “Australia is back at it, leading the charge again in the race for the harshest, stupidest laws in the West.”

The article looks to be behind the Telegraph pay wall, but if you’re keen to read it you may get a one-of sample read by filling in your details.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/30/australia-overtaken-new-zealand-and-canada-authoritarian/
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December 1, 2024 1:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump official says ‘do not underestimate’ AOC.
There could be another crazie in the pipeline.
She is mad and dangerous.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-official-says-do-not-underestimate-aoc-as-some-insiders-push-for-her-to-lead-democrats/ar-AA1v2MHz?
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December 1, 2024 2:03pm
Swifty

“It’s not what you say, it’s what you do….”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/535326/exciting-nanaia-mahuta-is-re-entering-politics

That’s one thing that Nanaia and I agree on.

When then will Nanaia apologise for what she did – be a senior member in a Labour government who took a wrecking ball to our economy and social harmony, by bringing in policies, many of which were a total surprise to New Zealanders and which Labour did not campaign on, which massively increased the size of the state, reduced freedoms, wrecked our education and heath achievements and left New Zealanders more divided than we have been in generations.

She led us down the path of an ethnostate, which was intended to proudly and transparently to gift power and control of the country to unelected Maori elites – something we didn’t ask or call for, and which would have brought nothing to the average Maori in the street but cost us all vast sums and in doing so ultimately would have led us to civil war.

Yes, I judge Nanaia Mahuta on what she’s done and what she’s done will take years and years to repair.
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December 1, 2024 3:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I see Nanaia Mahuta deflectingto the Maori Party.
  Nice kind words to the young Hana-Rāwhiti Maipi-Clarke. Between the lines I read Mahuta saying ‘please accept me and I will guide you.’
  
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  December 1, 2024 5:01pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    No, Nanaia behind the scenes as the puppet mistress of the Labour TPM coalition.
    
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    December 1, 2024 6:20pm
Swifty

I wrote just yesterday that I rated as zero the chances that Labour will change significantly to win back popular support – and that there’s no way they’ll abandon the attitudes and beliefs of a century.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/535338/labour-leader-chris-hipkins-speaks-at-party-s-annual-conference

I was right.
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December 1, 2024 3:47pm
carlsbad apple

“Trump Nominates Pardoned Felon Charles Kushner, Father of Son-in-Law Jared Kushner, as Ambassador to France”
https://balleralert.com/profiles/blogs/trump-nominates-charles-kushner-as-ambassador-to-france/
In 2005 Charles Kushner was convicted of illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion, and witness tampering after hiring a prostitute to seduce his brother-in-law, arranging to record a sexual encounter between the two, and sending the tape to his sister. Yikes!
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December 1, 2024 4:01pm
Swifty

Celebrating (today in the UK) the 150th anniversary of Winston Churchill’s birth:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0bB7zg8MM04
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December 1, 2024 4:01pm
SmokerGuy

Lol Chris Hipkins saying he can “unite the country”. I had disdain for Ardern but I have even more for Hipkins. He is a horrible human being and it will be a cold day in hell if he ever thinks I will feel “united” under his leadership. The destruction he has personally been responsible for will take a generation to clean up and he now thinks we’ll all just forget that and unite under him??? Delusional!!
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December 1, 2024 4:36pm
Swifty

Deep down the Maori elites, and their lapdogs, hate our Western democratic structures and seek to tear them down because the success of those structures reveal the inadequacy of Maori culture and it embarrasses them.

This is something I’ve been thinking about over the last year or so, and it’s because of that I’ve been taking potshots at the Maori elites on KB when, in response to someone claiming that if we ‘Maorified’ something or other (whether it be health or education or the immigration system, or Treasury or Reserve Bank activity etc) then it would make it better, I would ask “Oh, how did Maori develop and maintain their Treasury banking policy?” or “Oh, how did Maori manage their national immunisation policy?”

A bit cheeky of me but I think the point is made. They didn’t. They were operating a Neolithic culture similar to the West in about 3,500 BCE at the same time as Britain was enjoying the fruits of the Industrial Revolution and had an empire encompassing much of the globe.

So for all the elite’s modern claims of ‘Maori wonderfulness’ the fact is pre-contact Maori, until westerners arrived, lived lives of grinding poverty, early death, frequent war and enslavement and lives centered around simply finding enough food to keep themselves alive.

I think this is why we see such hatred and bile from Mutu, Harawira, Packer and Waititi etc, just as we see from the Islamist world towards the West, they want to poison peoples’ views of the West out of a sense of inadequacy for the failings of their own culture.

Just imagine if you had been told for 1500 years that you are the chosen people, the recipients of God’s final revelation, but other cultures leave yours in the dust in any objective comparison:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OGajCBw22tc

I see great parallels to the Maori elites – they want to destroy our western structures, systems, policies and frameworks because they are so successful – and purely out of the elite’s own sense of inadequacy.

(When did you ever hear Margaret Mutu or any of the Jacksons or Harawiras, or Waititi or Packer say anything along the lines of “Actually, I’ll give it to the Pakeha, they do run elections very well” or “they’ve really got something with this freedom of speech thing” or “they’ve done great stuff with the evolution of Universities over the last 1,000 years” or similar.

Never, that’s when)

The elites just can’t bring themselves to admit the West do this society stuff better then they did and it just burns them up inside.

That’s why they now just want to tear it all down and replace it with their own versions.

Control means more to them than outcomes for people.
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December 1, 2024 5:00pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360506433/couple-and-baby-escape-unharmed-cheap-charger-sparks-house-blaze

I can just see it !

“Layne Sparks told the NZ Herald his partner used a “green, flashing cord” bought from online retailer TEMU to charge her phone and left it between their bed and a pillow to protect it from their PET RABBIT.

“It seems like the cord, being so hot, just caught the bed on fire, and it all went off.”
Sparks said his partner had taken a SLEEPING PILL which hadn’t worked, leading her to go outside for a CIGARETTE.”

It is a well-known medical fact that smoking a cigarette is the perfect solution for “sleeping pills” which fail to work.
Also, rabbits have an unquenchable desire to chew on flashing phone cords, especially at night. This has been proven time and again.
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December 1, 2024 5:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Greenhithe? It is all go out there.
  Good story bro…..//
  
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  December 1, 2024 5:51pm
Swifty

One of New Zealand’s greatest social media bullies and abusers (I’ve seen his Twitter posts before he deleted his account, they were foul) complains about bullying and abuse on social media:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/535302/ban-on-teen-social-media-will-remove-connections-for-those-in-marginalised-communities-queer-activist

And why did the reporter not mention Lal’s abusive and bullying on-line history?

Is the reporter ignorant of Lal’s abusive history or did she find it inconvenient to mention?
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December 1, 2024 6:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Chris Lynch exposed a few of Lal’s tweets:
  
  https://www.chrislynchmedia.com/kiwi-bank-new-zealander-of-the-year-awards-under-fire-as-recipients-suitability-questioned/
  
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