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Yvette

hit and run readers: read the bits in bold type, then scroll on by –

On Q&A Te Pāti Māori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer acknowledged Māori have separate rights under Te Tiriti o Waitangi as tangata whenua. She said, “We have different expectations and different rights, absolutely.”

She argued these rights are essential to protect all New Zealanders from “corporate exploitation” and the “Atlas agenda coming at us”.
Ngawera-Packer offered as proof of an “Atlas conspiracy” that the libertarian-leaning Atlas Network is chaired by Debbi Gibbs, whose mother, Dame Jenny Gibbs, is an ACT party donor

On Atlas, start here –

A Global Network For Global Impact.
Today, Atlas Network partners with over 500 think tanks worldwide to drive change in ideas, culture, and policy; remove barriers to opportunities; and empower individuals to live a life of choice.
https://www.atlasnetwork.org/our-mission

Debbie Ngarewa Packer calling out Global Racist Terrorist Atlas Network’s War on Māori

Here’s a refined version of the transcript, combining it into coherent sentences:
Well, there are two sovereigns, and neither of them is Atlas or Act. The two sovereigns that have enacted and signed the treaty are The Crown and the sovereign entities of the hapū and iwi.

I don’t like David’s politics, but he seems to be influenced by the Atlas narrative. We, in Aotearoa, need to be really clear about what’s at play here. Now, we have a party with an entire agenda aimed at enabling corporate exploitation in Aotearoa. This isn’t an agenda to make things easier for us; it’s an agenda designed to remove barriers.

As for David, I’m not entirely sure where he belongs. I think he might need to go back and consult the Atlas Collective. But the reality is that the direction of this country shouldn’t be determined by a party that received less than 8% of New Zealand’s votes.

What I question are politicians, particularly those who are funded by donors with vested interests. For example, look at Dame Jenny Gibbs and the way donations have been channeled. Her daughter, Debbie Gibbs, is the chair of Atlas. This shows there’s an entire narrative trying to create a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.

The Treaty is the only way we can protect Aotearoa from the Atlas agenda and the wave of corporate exploitation that’s coming at us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_tevOQdzxA

Debbie Ngarewa Packer, how dangerous are her beliefs –

Freedom of speech never existed in times where rangatira once ruled the land. They operated by tikanga such as kupu-mana; your word is your bond and failure to keep your words not only guaranteed the loss of mana, but of human life to follow. He tangata te utu [the price is human?]– human life is the ultimate price for any great cause that requires sacrifice.

In this way, mana is a matter of life and death – the ultimate power to decide. In their world, the consequences of not upholding kupu-mana were fatal and had ripple effects across wider collectives of people. Mana does not understand nor respect concepts of time and space. It does not observe the individual human experience and exists across a continuum of whakapapa – from time immemorial to time everlasting.
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/360489249/debbie-ngarewa-packer-te-tiriti-forever-because-mana-forever

• Is Debbie Ngarewa Packer a woman in a key position over the future of the Treaty, but endangering that, and biasing her stewardship, by being deluded with conspiracy beliefs regarding Atlas and corporate intent for the nation?
• Do others in te Pati Maori – co-leader Rawiri Waititi, President John Tamihere, or Founder Tariana Turia – all have the same corporate take-over conspiracy beliefs?
• Why is TVNZ an utter failure as a state public interest and service broadcaster, for not having appropriate current affairs programmes to investigate and ask questions to inform the nation?
• “Māori have separate rights under Te Tiriti o Waitangi as tangata whenua” – what exactly are those specific rights only Maori have? And how is eligibility for those rights defined – you qualify, you don’t – what determines that difference?
• Debbie Ngarewa Packer, how dangerous are her beliefs?

Time for my medications
colonising big corporation medications
especially the little turquoise tablet
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December 9, 2024 8:32am
- pdm
  
  I saw an excellent video with Jenny Gibb last week re Atlas Network. Either on The platform or you tube.
  
  Well worth a look.
  
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  December 9, 2024 8:55am
- Flossie
  
  That woman (and the rest of her party and cohorts) is constantly referring to her people. Her ancestors are predominantly non Maori and are therefore by her own reasoning the bad guys and the cause of all that is wrong in her world.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:15am
  - mandk
    
    Who are her people?
    
    She’s at least as much Irish (she’s Colleen’s girl) as she is Māori.
    
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    December 9, 2024 10:02am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      “Our people!”
      “Who are ‘your people’?”
      
      It’s political; not genetic.
      
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      December 9, 2024 10:24am
    - Flossie
      
      And I would imagine her father has at least some non-Maori heritage too.
      
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      December 9, 2024 4:50pm
- Dave
  
  F“… the direction of this country shouldn’t be determined by a party that received less than 8% of New Zealand’s votes.”
  
  Since the Treaty Principles Bill requires a national referendum to take full effect, the 8% gibe (from the co-leader of a party which got less than 8%!) the quoted sentence is rather misleading.
  
  ”Freedom of speech never existed in times where rangatira once ruled the land.” An indirect warning about our future, should The Maori Party’s policies be realised?
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:56am
  - Yvette
    
    The “8 percent” is meaningless.
    I may have voted National to ensure they beat Labour so a National coalition is formed with ACT with their Treaty Principles policy which may have been my aim all along.
    QED
    
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    December 9, 2024 11:38am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    A warning indeed. The despotic moderation at “The Standard” is another indicator of what we can expect next time the NZ left gains the treasury benches.
    
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    December 9, 2024 12:36pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    ”Freedom of speech never existed in times where rangatira once ruled the land.”
    
    Indeed. More akin to living under the most horrible regimes to ever blight the earth.
    
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    December 9, 2024 1:44pm
- G152
  
  Back then women had no rights
  
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  December 9, 2024 10:06am
- imalwaysright
  
  “Atlas conspiracy”
  
  Someone should ask her about the Waipereira Conspiracy.
  
  Preferably someone wearing a black gown and wielding a gavel.
  
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  December 9, 2024 10:51am
  - Philview
    
    Yes, John Tamihere’s meeting in June with Ma Hui from the CCP Central Committee made bigger headlines in China than it did in New Zealand.
    
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    December 9, 2024 11:15am
- Paulus
  
  Have read this twice in order to try and understand from whence she is coming.
  I am still totally confused, but not surprised as so is the writer, a normal nutter, but needs treatment by a tohunga, by her Maori standards.
  
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  December 9, 2024 10:58am
- Eastlander
  
  She accurately presents pre-1840 New Zealand as a living hell that anyone in their right would be desperate to escape. Having established that, why should we want to preserve any of the abhorrent culture her Maori ancestors created?
  
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  December 9, 2024 11:25am
  - Paulus
    
    How does she know what it was like in 1840 – was she alive then, or is it written down somewhere.
    
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    December 9, 2024 1:50pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      It’s written down in many places. Sealers, whalers, missionaries, explorers, military and more. TPM and fellow travelers ignore all this and hold a fantasy version of history.
      
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      December 9, 2024 4:04pm
- judith8409121
  
  all very worrying – and the councils are becoming ratepayer maori activist anti-government organisations. Listen to ECAN pushing anti-government sentiment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wgxibOMrM8
  why do house owners having to pay money towards this disgusting maori activists – time the government stepped into this mess and close these groups down.
  
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  December 9, 2024 1:51pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  So Atlas declares it’s goals are “remove barriers to opportunities; and empower individuals to live a life of choice.”
  
  Shocking stuff. We need marxism, tyranny and tribal rule to put up barriers in peoples lives so they have less opportunities, and disempower individuals from having choices!
  
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  December 9, 2024 3:38pm
Chuck Bird

Arrest Netanyahu but the ICC has nothing to say about Bashar al-Assad
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December 9, 2024 8:34am
- imalwaysright
  
  Nor Adern…
  
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  December 9, 2024 8:35am
  - Keith White
    
    Yep, and Ardern’s death-and-damage toll was inflicted right here.
    
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    December 9, 2024 10:07am
- MCōs
  
  Bashar al-Assad‘s atrocities were all committed within Syria, which is not an ICC member
  Israel is also not a member, but Palestine is and that’s where Netanyahu’s alleged crimes have taken place.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:03am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Well in that case Assad ( and his father before him) killing 100,000’s of innocent folk is all OK then, thanks…..good know.
    
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    December 9, 2024 9:11am
    - Ghost
      
      Of course that isn’t what he said, don’t put words in his mouth. For the ICC to prosecute him the UN would need to refer it to the court. China and Russia have blocked those attempts.
      
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      December 9, 2024 9:19am
      - Blog-aholic
        
        I did not ‘put words in his mouth’ I used my own in my own statement.
        
        If the UN and ICC cannot see the issue just because Syria isn’t a member of what ever group then it speak s more to the UN, the ICC and the rest of humanity (China/Russia) that thinks it is OK for some to slaughter and not for others on the basis of which club they are subscribed to.
        
        Of course China and Russia have no problem slaughtering people either and that is the fundamental flaw that is the UN – veto rights from countrys happy to do their own bidding at the expense of anyone else.
        
        The UN like the ICC are puppets nothing more and nothing less.
        
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        December 9, 2024 11:08am
      - Don Beckett
        
        @ MCos
        Of course, Palestine is not a country – “something rotten in the state of Denmark.”
        
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        December 9, 2024 11:24am
    - Keith White
      
      in past years I sometimes wondered what would bring someone who trained as a doctor to such depths of anti-human depravity. I’d thought as a medical student reading “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”, Mengele was a one-off. then of course we had the pandemic and doctors everywhere – especially in New Zealand – eagerly keen on mandating bodily harm, sometimes doing that harm themselves, and ignoring the doctrines of bodily autonomy and informed consent entirely. And I realise that 17-year-old-me had fooled himself completely.
      
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      December 9, 2024 10:13am
      - Taieri
        
        What about all these latter day disciples of dr Mengele chopping healthy body parts off the young and confused boys and girls?
        With full knowledge and support of our elected representatives…
        
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        December 9, 2024 12:11pm
      - Keith White
        
        Taieri – yes indeed, these child-hurting proscribers and butchers are further staining the profession. But if one reports them to the NZMC, crickets – even despite the trenchantly disturbing evidence in Dr Hilary Cass’ Report.
        
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        December 9, 2024 7:16pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    So are Afghanistan and Venezuela. Don’t see the ICC investigating the Taliban or that paragon of humanity, Maduro….
    
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    December 9, 2024 9:59am
    - Paulus
      
      I see shortly Syria becoming rapidly like the Taliban in Afghanistan.
      Give it 6 months !
      
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      December 9, 2024 1:52pm
      - sirknz
        
        How long till some of the nice looking people we see in the pictures of the stories about people being released from the Syrian prisons in the MSM are in new stories being involved in some heinous, repugnant atrocities?
        
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        December 9, 2024 3:52pm
    - kiwi_chileno
      
      The ICC has been ‘investigating’ Venezuela since 2021 https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/andres-oppenheimer/article291116970.html
      
      Argentina and the secretary general of the Organization of American States (OAS) want the ICC to issue an arrest warrant for Nicolás Maduro. The US want him for drug trafficking. The Argentinian embassy in Caracas is besieged, because Venezuelan democracy activists took refuge there after the fraudulent Presidential elections. Marco Rubio, the incoming US Secretary of State, has said that the opposition candidate, Edmundo González Urrutia, won the election and is the legitimate President.
      
      Rubio has also said that “[Venezuela’s] dictatorship is one of the main doors of our hemisphere for the great adversaries of the US, from Iran to Russia and China. Also, the Venezuelan regime provides help to narco-terrorists who send drugs and violence to countries in our region….we have much to lose if we strengthen such a dangerous narco-dictatorship.” Regime change may be on the way.
      
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      December 9, 2024 3:56pm
  - Keith White
    
    There is no current entity called Palestine.
    ‘Historical’ Palestine is made up of the current Palestinian territories of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank—often and incorrectly referred to as the State of Palestine—and the country of Israel.
    
    Both of these territories were captured by Israel during the Six-Day War in 1967. “You conquer it, you own it, unless and until you relinquish it or it wrests its independence back from you.”
    
    146 out of 193 UN member states recognize the Palestine you’re referring to; but if a majority in a crowd identify a biological man as a woman, that’s don’t make him female.
    
    Reality is that thing that does not care about feelings.
    
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    December 9, 2024 10:11am
- rjay
  
  I think the ICC should be more concerned about how the Black Caps can beat India in India and then lose to England at home.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:16am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Its a bit hard when he has scarpered to Russia
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:21am
Swifty

Tamatha Paul squeals about the economic consequences, including on jobs, as a result of high energy prices.

Does she not consider the economic wrecking ball her own party’s energy policies will bring to the country?

Secondly, I see she thinks government central planning should determine our regional response to the energy price wrecking balls.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/536065/raft-of-politicians-expected-at-save-our-mill-meeting-in-tokoroa

I just shudder at the thought of these Green Party people being part of a future government.

I am just slack-jawed at the hubris which must be present in those that think they will succeed with central planning where all others have failed so completely and so miserably.

They must not be allowed to get a chance.
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December 9, 2024 8:38am
- RoboRob
  
  The resent manufacturing closures are a direct result of Labours terrible energy policies. Megan woods sat on her hands for 6yrs knowing we needed more electricity then we were building. Then Jacindas captains call knee capped gas, which is an alternative to the electricity we are short of. This put even more demand on the thing we are short of.
  
  Unfortunately we don’t see much in the way of action for National on this either. The energy minister, Simeon Brown, is repeating the same line Megan did, ‘there is plenty of generation coming on line soon’. Luxon is talking about solar and more wind, which is just stupid. They are talking about an LPG import port and RMA changes, but what are they doing to force / encourage more base line construction? Left on their own, Gen tailers will just build more wind as this is easy and cheap. It doesn’t solve our structural shortage situation though.
  
  Energy generation isn’t something you can build in 5 minutes, and I expect it to take years to reverse the damage caused by Labour. However Luxon and Brown don’t seem to be taking a particularly revolutionary stance on this. Just more tinkering as per other areas of government.
  
  We will have a number of large power price rises this summer and power cuts next winter. We will be paying much more for a worse system. Hurting consumers and employers. National didn’t cause the issue but they sure as hell will receive the blame unless the front foot the issue.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:21am
  - Skippytony
    
    Ha ha ha, that hilarious. There will never be a new hydro dam built in NZ. No one wants to say it out loud or discuss the tradoffs but it wont happen.
    
    Elon could invent mini nuclear reactors that cost $5.00 and are perfectly safe but they will never be installed in NZ for the same reasons.
    
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    December 9, 2024 10:35am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Gas find last week, it will create 3%of our total energy supply. Nat’s talking about solar, and wind is not stupid, publicly listed companies are paying for that, as opposed to Labours ludicrous idea of funding it though the taxpayers, power generators are not stupid, if they think they can make money out of wind and solar then that’s fine, no point calling it stupid
    
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    December 9, 2024 1:35pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Stash that gas (or the transport fuel made from it). NZ could be cut off from fuel at any time. It’s completely insane and negligent not to have very good emergency reserves of fuel for transport and electricity generation. Without this fuel, a nation quickly dies.
      
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      December 9, 2024 2:36pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Having all additional generation as solar and wind IS stupid. Watch any one of thousands of you tube videos discussing why. The short is that without battery tech (which is not yet ready and crazy expensive) you need a certain amount of baseload energy no matter how much solar / wind you build.
      
      Interestingly the more over the top you build your solar and wind the more complications and expense you incur. Battery tech, when available, is likely to cost as much or more then base line generation, so why bother if you don’t absolutely have to.
      
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      December 9, 2024 4:38pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Well, it looks like everyone is right and Nat’s no good, so get used to PM Hipkins, and Greenies and TPM in cabinet, sounds like Hipkins ruled Peters out last week at the Labour party bullshit fest.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:24am
  - pdm
    
    Bet you cannot wait for tonights TVNZ Kantar Poll G.
    
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    December 9, 2024 9:33am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well, i knew it must be soon, the left is going to have egg on their face, not sure Nat’s were at 28% as they said last week, and Labours so called leaked internal with Nat’s well down and TPM up to 7% is utter bullshit, I am optimistic that the Curia poll 2 weeks ago will be similar to tonight’s poll
      
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      December 9, 2024 11:38am
- nathie
  
  When reality is right in front of the Greens (high energy prices due to energy insecurity), they not only double-down advocating even greater green energy “solutions”, they also won’t acknowledge their policies in support of green energy is a contributing factor.
  
  If that sort of idiocy isn’t enough, the Greens also want to de-industrialise NZ and create a green nirvana where green energy is much, much more cheaper and no-one goes without.
  
  I am yet to hear the Greens promote any other country that has successfully achieved this and is an exemplar that we can follow. Silence. Tumble weeds ….
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:41am
  - JackRabbit
    
    If that sort of idiocy isn’t enough, the Greens also want to de-industrialise NZ and create a green nirvana where green energy is much, much more cheaper and no-one goes without.
    
    Spreading such Utopian ideas are the tools of Marxism.
    
    “Everyone will live for free, and no-one will go without.”
    
    They never submit any plans of how it will be funded.
    
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    December 9, 2024 1:22pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Swifty
  Surely not a snide remark or personal attack against Tamatha Paul.!!
  
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  December 9, 2024 7:03pm
  - Swifty
    
    Nothing snide about it – legitimate criticism of her party and policies.
    
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    December 9, 2024 8:39pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      So you are allowed legitimist criticism, but I am not !!!
      
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      December 9, 2024 11:01pm
Scott

I’m very optimistic about what this government is doing. Even at the most basic level there are signs of improvement.
Let’s take the Michael Hill indicator. Over the last several years Michael Hill Masterton had to post a security guard because of the rampant crime wave directed to the chain of stores. Even the Masterton store was hit with a smash and grab raid.

Now there is no security guard. Presumably this means there is no longer the need for a security guard?

Law and order is improving. The rampant lawlessness that characterised the Jacinda years is a thing of the past.
Are things totally rosy? Of course not. But things are improving.
That’s why we need to stick with this govt and do everything we can to assist them to improve the nation. We simply can’t afford another term of lawless left wing governance.
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December 9, 2024 8:38am
- cmm
  
  I wonder how much of this is really tied to political change and how much is due to other changes – especially social media?
  
  A year or so ago, there was a huge Tiktok etc trend to stream criminal activity for money and notoriety. This seems to have dropped off a lot.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:10am
  - RoboRob
    
    Could be, but it seems more then a coincidence that crime would drop at exactly the time a new government with a much harder stance on crime takes power.
    
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    December 9, 2024 9:27am
- MCōs
  
  Maybe the thieving classes have figured out it’s more profitable, and less risky, shoplifting from Woolworths.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:22am
- Simon
  
  Michael Hill has spent an incremental $5 million to protect its customers and team members from retail crime in New Zealand.
  
  Company chair Rob Fyfe confirmed the spending lift, saying record level of retail crime has necessitated a significant increase in security counter-measures and increased stock losses.
  
  Etc etc etc
  
  https://www.ragtrader.com.au/news/why-michael-hill-spent-5-million-on-in-store-security-in-nz
  
  Try thinking a little. It’s obvious what has happened. National are dripping wet hot garbage. That will never change. However the change is management reacted to the crime wave.
  
  One premise for understanding NZ is that National are slop.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:24am
  - David Garrett
    
    Simon: I happened to meet Michael Hill up here in Tonga a few months ago. I commiserated with him regarding the then latest ram raid. He said “they are destroying our business”
    
    Whatever you think of Michael Hill and his chain, that is an appalling admission.
    
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    December 9, 2024 10:19am
- RoboRob
  
  Crime is one area National do appear to be making good progress on. Well done Mark Mitchell.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:26am
tedbear

I read on RNZ, Chloe Swarbrick says “..when you’re knowingly making political choices to shred progress on climate action, to increase the amount of climate-changing emissions which will exacerbate climate change-charged weather events which have devastated lives and livelihoods across this country, when you are knowingly making decisions to plunge tens of thousands more kids into poverty – friends don’t let friends do that. That’s not OK, that’s not acceptable.”
I would like her, or someone from The Greens to explain how NZ’s emissions from cars, coal-fired power stations or cows can actually have any affect on the make-up of weather that originates and develops thousands of kilometers west of New Zealand’s islands.
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December 9, 2024 8:41am
- Blog-aholic
  
  They cannot, so they do not and will not.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:12am
- Grunter
  
  I wonder if Chloe’s ‘girl maths’ calculator can do the numbers…..?
  
  Greenhouse Gas as a percentage of the total atmosphere = approx 2%
  
  CO2 as a percentage of all GHG’s = 3.62% (Water vapour is about 95%)
  
  Manmade CO2 as a percentage of total CO2 = 3.4%
  
  Therefore, manmade CO2 is 0.0025% of the total atmosphere.
  
  Chloe – what is NZ’s share of 0.0025%? And is that worth trashing NZ’s entire economy to reduce that insignificant number by half? If so, show me the full cost-benefit analysis.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:13am
  - RoboRob
    
    Chloe and the greens dont have a job without climate change. When the greens were just about animals and parks the green vote received was much lower.
    
    Like many not for profits, they actually dont want to solve the problem as they would be out of work.
    
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    December 9, 2024 9:30am
  - G152
    
    Dont bring facts into any discussion with the greens. Its an alien to them
    
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    December 9, 2024 10:10am
- cmm
  
  Chloe seems to be oblivious to the fact that shutting down factories, farming, transport and oil and gas etc is REALLY plunging many tens of thousands more kids into poverty than a bit of CO2 does.
  
  Friends don’t let friends vote for Chloe.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:13am
- NZer In Exile
  
  ” climate-changing emissions which will exacerbate climate change-charged weather events”
  
  It’s funny how the climate cultists believe this as an article of faith. A warming planet will mean less heat difference between the equator (which doesn’t get much warmer) and the lower and higher latitudes. This should produce LESS turbulence.
  
  In the last 100 years there has been no statistically significant rise in forest fire burn acreage, floods, cyclones, droughts, extreme hot days etc etc. But hey ignore all that and keep making shit up using garbage-in “attribution studies” based on……
  MODELLING (using, wait for it, OTHER MODELS)!
  
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  December 9, 2024 2:44pm
  - Quail
    
    Todays News Dame Patsy Reddy former GG is appointed the new Climate Change Commission chair!
    Her record with the NZ Rugby Union does not instil huge confidence in rural NZ.
    By the way. how is it so many people who have had high flying jobs are slotted into hi paying jobs from that time on ?
    Certainly they would have to be super intelligent and understand everything to be worthy their salaries.
    Would it not be more sensible to employ people from the field they are expert in?
    
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    December 9, 2024 5:53pm
    - Keith White
      
      “It’s a big club and we ain’t in it.”
      
      George Carlin, evergreen…
      
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      December 9, 2024 7:17pm
Ghost

Strangely, I’m not surprised by this

The Biden administration has gotten banks to let them ‘spy’ on the everyday purchases and money transfers of Americans, carrying out millions of searches without getting a warrant typically required for such snooping, a stunning new Congressional report charges.

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December 9, 2024 8:44am
- cmm
  
  Meanwhile, in NZ, the IRD hands over the info to Facebook.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:15am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    If true that surely is so dumb that all involved should be sacked.
    
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    December 9, 2024 3:55pm
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: Don’t Celebrate Yet!
It’s all about energy and PsyWar.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-dont-celebrate-yet?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 9, 2024 8:44am
Grunter

Anyone listen to the train smash interview this morning on ZB (Heather)….??

NZ Rugby boss Mark Robinson sounded like a male version of Ardern. Word salad answers and his reply about the TJ Peranara haka and the support for the Maori Separatists flag by a group of AB’s was so bad.

AB’s are dead to me. After supporting them all my life they have become a woke joke.

I’ll continue to support community rugby here in Dunedin.
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December 9, 2024 8:47am
- alex Masterley
  
  I am a bit like that here in Auckland.
  I support my local club, the first xv of my sons school and for some reason the Blues.
  I dont bother with Auckland as they have lost their way.
  The attempts by the NZRU to take tests away from NZ simply disrespects their domestic fans, which means until they get grownups back on the board and in senior management i have lost interest.
  
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  December 9, 2024 8:57am
- pdm
  
  Grunter – my take is here. Focused on the Perenara Haka.
  https://nominister.wordpress.com/2024/12/09/mark-robinson-nzru-ceo-is-as-weak-as-weasels-piss/
  
  Here is a comment – you have a mate lol.
  `Totally agree. I will NEVER watch another AB game. Absolutely disgusted’
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Same
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:27am
- Paulus
  
  I thought that the ABs were thinking of going to be based in the USA, where they can earn” huge” sums of money in doing a performace
  – plus, the USA love the Maori war dance.
  
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  December 9, 2024 11:08am
  - My-Gumboot
    
    Yeah.. Matt Walsh doesn’t think much of the primal war dance..
    https://youtu.be/Pl1iZbqlN7c?si=qHRgQ_Tpn-rsd_mm
    
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    December 9, 2024 1:32pm
- Fedup oldie
  
  For the All Blacks, the management and CEO to support both actions and particularly when carried out on foreign soil has ended my support for the team that I have loyally supported since 1956.
  
  My grandson suggested a new AB’s jersey for Christmas. I have bought him an Auckland FC jersey. His father assures me he will be delighted as he’s already been to 2 games.
  
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  December 9, 2024 11:10am
- Conservatarian
  
  The prodigious and insidious power of social and cultural progressivism (“woke” culture) cannot be better demonstrated than its colonisation of elite sport. This field may be the ultimate endeavour where a candidate picked on merit always destroys a candidate not picked on merit.
  
  But its administrators have been cowed by progressive activists and especially a small number of Perenara-esque stooges among the athletes.
  
  “Sternly worded letters” won’t work. The only way is for us to vote with our wallets.
  
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  December 9, 2024 11:34am
- Bobba Fret
  
  IMO Mark Robinson should have resigned after the coach debacle during the world cup where Foster was being replaced by Scott Robinson regardless of results.
  
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  December 9, 2024 12:08pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Hurricanes Womens Haka criticising the new Coalition Govt made me stop watching Canes games (in person and on TV)
  
  Subsequently I have watched little AB’s rugby, and the parading of the Maori separatist flag and Perenara’s hijacking of the Haka has cemented my decision that I will never again support the NZRU and its teams….
  
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  December 9, 2024 12:24pm
penguincouple

For those interested, the Charter School Agency has released Alwyn Poole’s applications:

https://www.charterschools.govt.nz/documents/
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December 9, 2024 8:53am
Bridgenag

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus Must Resign. Now.
US House COVID committee determined that the WHO acted on behalf of the Chinese CCP during the COVIDcrisis

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/who-director-general-tedros-adhanom?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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December 9, 2024 8:57am
Matt Long

Why is legacy media failing in New Zealand? Maybe because becoming a woke joke and spreading government disinformation is a bad business plan.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/fox-news-channel-dominates-cable-news-cnn-msnbc-collapse-embarrassing-weekly-lows
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December 9, 2024 9:01am
- RoboRob
  
  Yes. Looking at the evidence coming out of the US, there is a clear link to media outlets that lied and spun for political advance being deserted by viewers. Who would have thought that ‘news’ agencies that omitted information or ‘opinion people’ who ‘got the story wrong’ would become unpopular.
  
  Why would you watch political opinion people who, for example, told you how Joe Biden would never pardon his son and that this was why the Dems were better. There were people all over the place (outside of CNN, MSNBC etx) that were saying a year ago that Joe would pardon Hunter regardless of what he was saying.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:41am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I think the Hallmark Channel in the US had more viewers than CNN.
    
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    December 9, 2024 11:01am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Take a look at Rachel Maddow’s opinions on pardons in 2020 compared to 2024: hypocrisy perfected.
  
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  December 9, 2024 12:03pm
david in Aus

There needs to be discussions on the history of slavery in New Zealand and its repercussions. What is widely acknowledged in the US is the legacy of slavery with the calls for reparations from some.

New Zealand’s history of slavery is dark and disturbing and only ended 25 years before slavery ended in the US. Curiously, are slaves considered under the Treaty of Waitangi as Toanga?
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December 9, 2024 9:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  are slaves considered under the Treaty of Waitangi as Toanga?
  
  No. The ToW meant that all Maori had the same rights as British subjects.
  
  Hence slavery was no longer legal in NZ….although it seemed to continue for another few years or so…
  
  https://www.theprow.org.nz/maori/slavery-in-colonial-times/
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:21am
  - david in Aus
    
    I am not sure that was the understanding by the Maori Chiefs. Why would they give away most of their wealth? Slaves were worth significant sums of money, as much as or more than the value of land.
    
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    December 9, 2024 9:28am
    - cmm
      
      Land didn’t have much value at all.
      
      Maori didn’t have the wheel. They didn’t have any draught animals. All they had were slaves.
      
      They also didn’t have any markets, so there was little point in growing surplus food or any other mass-use of land for farming etc.
      
      So how much land was useful? At max maybe half an acre per person to grow some kumara to feed the family and trade a bit with people who had specialised skills.
      
      Also, access to bush for hunting probably had some value as did a small amount of timber.
      
      Other than that, land was zero value – an annoyance even – as people had to cross vast tracts of it to get green stone etc.
      
      Land only became valuable when the white man came bringing draught animals and wanted to acquire it for farming.
      
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      December 9, 2024 10:18am
    - Paulus
      
      What wealth, they had no real territories, or anything worthwhile, except their women and slaves captured in battle, waiting to be eaten before they went off.
      
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      December 9, 2024 11:11am
  - Matt Long
    
    Yet aren’t preserved heads a Toanga?
    
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    December 9, 2024 9:29am
    - PurplePen
      
      They were an early form of tourist trinket for export to the UK once tribes found out how much they could get for them.
      
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      December 9, 2024 10:53am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    My understanding is that pre-existing slaves were captured under article 2 (as pre-existing property) so were kept slaves but the taking of slaves was banned under article 3 (so officially no new slaves).
    I believe the last slave in NZ died in the 1890s.
    
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    December 9, 2024 9:33am
    - Inandout
      
      Lib, yes the last time I visited the Stone Cottage in Kerikeri there was a photo and inscription of the last known Maori slave.
      
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      December 9, 2024 10:10am
    - PurplePen
      
      From the 1852 NZ Constitution Act
      
      71. And Whereas it may be expedient that the laws, customs, and usages of the aboriginal or native inhabitants of New Zealand, so far as they are not repugnant to the general principles of humanity, should for the present be maintained for the government of themselves, in all their relations to and dealings with each other, and …
      
      Slavery would have been one of the repugnant items.
      
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      December 9, 2024 10:57am
      - david in Aus
        
        That 1852 act seems to be a breech of the the Treaty of Waitangi. How can that act overide the sacred document? Was 1852 Act a precusor to the treaty principles bill before parliament?
        
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        December 9, 2024 2:07pm
  - david in Aus
    
    The US constitution of 1776 stated men are free and equal, that didn’t mean slavery ended. The TOW was not an emancipation document for the end of slavery.
    
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    December 9, 2024 10:08am
    - david
      
      I suspect that the inhabitants of the Chatham Islands would have to agree with you david in Aus. IF they had survived to tell the tale following raids by Taranaki tribes AFTER the NZ Parliament had formally abolished slavery here. Unfortunately for some the law is a mere hindrance and not the instrument to create a functioning society.
      
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      December 9, 2024 11:20am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yes, it is true that prohibition against slavery in mainland NZ from 1840 onwards did not include the Chatham Islands.
        
        During the period of enslavement the Māori invaders forbade the speaking of the Moriori language. They forced Moriori to desecrate sacred sites by urinating and defecating on them. Moriori were forbidden to marry Moriori or Māori or to have children. This was different from the customary form of slavery practised on mainland New Zealand.
        
        A total of 1,561 Moriori died between the invasion in 1835 and the release of Moriori from slavery in 1863, and in 1862 only 101 Moriori remained.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriori_genocide
        
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        December 9, 2024 1:50pm
      - david in Aus
        
        Genocide definitely happened in NZ. We should be talking about this shameful period.
        
        How about apologies for genocide and slavery? Do the media ask the Maori queen these questions?
        
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        December 9, 2024 2:01pm
  - JackRabbit
    
    Hence slavery was no longer legal in NZ….although it seemed to continue for another few years or so…
    
    And it has been reintroduced whereby hard working New Zealanders are enslaved to the elite Maori leaders through govt handouts, Maori Development trusts and Maori tax free trusts.
    
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    December 9, 2024 1:26pm
- MCōs
  
  Slavery is alive and well in New Zealand today, but slightly more subtle than the strict definition of the word.
  The work permit system and poor English by the effected workers means they can be easily exploited in some occupations. The public only finds out about the tip of the iceberg.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:44am
  - cmm
    
    Oh please. It is severely over-egging the pudding to call this slavery.
    
    Every one of the people coming here under the work permit system do so voluntarily and can leave voluntarily.
    
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    December 9, 2024 10:09am
    - David Garrett
      
      cmm: Can they leave though? If they pay a large sum to “buy” a job here – which is apparently what happens – they are then virtually indentured servants to their master while they pay him back the balance. Given that these guys are often paid less than the minimum wage, how long would it take them I wonder to earn enough to return to India? And then once there, what do they do?
      
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      December 9, 2024 10:27am
      - cmm
        
        Yes, they are indentured servants. So what? Many people become indentured servants and do so because they see it as a good deal.
        
        I was an indentured servant in South Africa. Like many students in South Africa (and maybe even in NZ) I got a bursary (study grant) from a company that tied me into working for them for 3 years after I had completed university.
        
        The same sort of conditions apply to many professionals who come to work in NZ and have their relocation expenses paid. I know many engineers and doctors who have done that.
        
        They looked at their surrounding in India/wherever and decided that it was a good deal to pay for a “job” and move here.
        
        There is countless information available to find out what the risks and rewards are.
        
        This should in no way be confused with slavery.
        
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        December 9, 2024 1:17pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      4 years ago in Napier High Court Joseph Matamata was convicted of 13 counts of slavery.
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/samoan-chief-slavery-trafficking-sentenced-11-years-new-zealand
      
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      December 9, 2024 1:55pm
Cassandra

Quoted in Newsroom, of all places. Re the ToW referendum – Curia poll: National voters 4:1, NZF 5:1, even Labour and Green voters split 50/50. Act voters presumably 100;1. There is overwhelming support for racism to be ended. No more “special people” and seperate, different rights and,privileges for Maoris and tribes. If Maori want a parliament go for it, you’ve got lotsa money. It’s be a bit like a Rotary convention. The catering contract would be worth a bit.
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December 9, 2024 9:12am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Bernard might be waking up to what would actually happen to aotearoa if certain parties got into power.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:20am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Thats the very thing they want, their very own system, but guess who they see as paying the billions for this?
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:28am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Apparently the “Maori Economy ” is valued at $70 Billion.
    
    That’s over $75,000 per man woman and child!
    
    Maybe we should let them take over….!!
    
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    December 9, 2024 9:47am
    - david
      
      Not being subject to taxes is a great start.
      
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      December 9, 2024 11:21am
      - cmm
        
        … but where does the Maori Parliament get their funding from if they don’t have taxes?
        
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        December 9, 2024 1:21pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      It does not go to every man, woman and child. It goes to an elite few.
      
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      December 9, 2024 12:28pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        What is “it” ?
        I’m sure if I was a member of a $70 billion economy with only 900,000 people, I would be doing my best to make sure the source of my income was kept happy.
        
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        December 9, 2024 1:37pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Māori economy? you mean like Nga Tahu who took their money and turned it into astute businesses? no no, that won’t be the money they talk off, just us whitey mugs who go to work and pay tax.
      
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      December 9, 2024 1:39pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        What does that mean?
        Ngai/Kai Tahu are referred to as the success story.
        If I was given that amount of money tax free and was given free reign to compete with competitors tax free and given preferential access to government contracts which were also tax free, and was able to influence legislators to slant my playing field, and was able to hold companies hostage over their business plans lest they pay me some Koharuption money, then I would probably make shit loads of money also.
        Probably a lot more than the pretenders running the sham at present.
        
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        December 9, 2024 2:04pm
    - Paulus
      
      Does that include the some 800,000 who we are told live in Australia- although they are New Zealand Citizens, so can still be part of the 501s.
      
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      December 9, 2024 2:00pm
- RoboRob
  
  National need to start looking at the polls and what their voting base want, not listening to what the media are saying the people of NZ want.
  
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  December 9, 2024 9:43am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They do poll on issues and do set policy around what people want, this has happened for a very long time in the party
    
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    December 9, 2024 11:41am
    - RoboRob
      
      I know political parties poll. However the feeling I get is that whilst the polls show support for a referendum and the treaty principals bill, National are figuring that not supporting it causes them less damage then supporting it will. They assume that voters like you and I will say, oh thats dissapointing but hey they are doing well elsewhere. Whereas ‘floating’ voters might say, damn i’m voting Labour if they come out and support the bill.
      
      I personally think thats the wrong call. But I dont have all the figures.
      
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      December 9, 2024 1:30pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Its hard to imagine any other indigenous race that has had a better past 170 years than Maori.
  Their current indulgence in Victimhood Creationism is making them look like the spoilt kid throwing a tantrum.
  
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  December 9, 2024 10:12am
Matt Long

The Shia Iranian octopus has had a lot of tentacles removed.
Will the Sunnis be any better? A Sunni Islamist alliance covering Turkey, Syria, Iraq (Soon), Salafists on the Arabian Peninsula, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Jordan and the Palestinian Territories all look like a mighty mess.
Lebanon might be swapping Hezbollah for Al Qaeda.
A positive scenario would be the Abraham Accords moving forward under Trump, and the Arab states pushing back against Turkish Imperialism, with Israel linking with the Kurds and Druze.
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December 9, 2024 9:28am
- MCōs
  
  A positive scenario would America being involved, said nobody ever
  
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  December 9, 2024 10:03am
  - Keith White
    
    C’mon man! look at all the most excellent social and global consequences immediately following the US-led wars in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan….!
    
    Oh, wait… never mind, as you were.
    
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    December 9, 2024 10:17am
  - Matt Long
    
    Yes, I can remember how upset my English grandfather was reported to be when the Americans joined WW2.
    
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    December 9, 2024 11:05am
    - Gussy Fink-Nottle
      
      All right, but apart from Europe in 1941, before in 1917, Pacific too, the Marshall plan, Soviet containment, subsequently China, and sliced bread, what have the Yanks ever done for us?
      
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      December 9, 2024 12:50pm
- Eastlander
  
  Given that Israel chose to celebrate the occasion by making a new push beyond the Golan heights Jolani may end up going turban in hand to Iran himself. Unless wants to be a Pasha for the Turks he will not have many other options.
  
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  December 9, 2024 11:21am
  - imalwaysright
    
    What does that mean?
    
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    December 9, 2024 1:41pm
    - Eastlander
      
      The Assads ended up allied to Iran not because they had any ideological or religious commonality but because Iran was the obvious counterweight to the power of the Turks and Israelis. A large part of the Syrian opposition are effectively auxiliaries of the Turkish army so the actual force HTS can depend on is uncomfortably small. So any HTS-led government will either have to acquiesce to Turkish and Israeli dominance or else ally with Iran.
      
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      December 9, 2024 1:56pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I don’t think Israel is going to give up Mt Herman ever…
        Very handy spot.
        
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        December 9, 2024 3:26pm
      - Eastlander
        
        They’ve never given up anything willingly. They’ll only pull out if it proves too difficult to hold onto.
        
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        December 9, 2024 4:27pm
      - Matt Long
        
        They gave up the Sinai in exchange for peace with Egypt. And hoped to achieve the same thing with Gaza.
        
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        December 9, 2024 5:52pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Thanks
        
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        December 9, 2024 6:21pm
      - Eastlander
        
        Those weren’t goodwill gestures though – the initial failure to hold the Bar-Lev line in the 1973 war damaged the Israeli leadership’s confidence in their ability to hold the peninsula, and the retreat from Gaza was a tactical move aimed at shoring up Israel’s positon in the west bank.
        
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        December 9, 2024 9:37pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJnUD2FibCA
Destiny Church’s Brian Tamaki On His Legal Action Against The NZ Herald.
Fake news Herald up to their usual tricks.
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December 9, 2024 10:21am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aZB9qy95wU
Democrat Civil War Erupts as Adams Turns Pro-Trump.

In a shocking shift, New York City Mayor Eric Adams has taken a bold stance against the Democrats’ handling of the migrant crisis, joining forces with former Trump border czar Tom Homan to address the growing issue. Despite his history as a Democrat, Adams is openly defying the party’s rigid immigration policies, acknowledging that the system is broken and needs reform. With NYC grappling with over 200,000 migrants and increasing public frustration, Adams has become a vocal critic of Vice President Kamala Harris and the Biden administration. As tensions rise within the party, a new political battle is unfolding, signaling the beginning of a Democrat civil war.
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December 9, 2024 10:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Time to buy some chocolates
  
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  December 9, 2024 1:41pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, and something to wash them down. Also YMCA on a loop.
    
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    December 9, 2024 6:49pm
imalwaysright

New Zealand drifts into its annual 3 month hibernation still wondering why we are still poor and our kids are still a bit thick.
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December 9, 2024 10:28am
- Melbury
  
  Aestivation, in fact.
  
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  December 9, 2024 10:36am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Didn’t know that.
    Summer version of hibernation. Thanks
    
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    December 9, 2024 11:23am
- Ghost
  
  Holidays have nothing to do with it.
  
  New Zealand has 41 school weeks
  Australia 40
  UK 39
  USA 36
  Singapore 40
  China 35
  
  Japan 36
  
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  December 9, 2024 10:46am
  - Taieri
    
    2024 school terms in NZ:
    396 half days, which translates to 198 full days.
    
    https://www.education.govt.nz/term-dates-and-holidays#2024-school-terms-1
    
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    December 9, 2024 12:19pm
imalwaysright

Little cross dressing actor comedian posing as the leader of Ukraine whilst actually being a puppet for the Dems and the weapons industry, Zelensky, turns up at the reopening of a church in a t-shirt.
There must be something in his contract that says he can’t be out of character in public.

What a disgraceful odious little person.
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December 9, 2024 10:43am
- Grunter
  
  But, but….the MSM keep telling us he is a hero…… Just like Jacindamania, except far worse.
  
  Project Ukraine is the biggest scam currently being pushed. Trump, JD Vance etc have seen through it and want to stop the lies.
  
  But I think it’s possibly too late. The evil Zelensky will continue to suck Euro’s from the nutjobs in the EU so more innocent lives are sent into the meat-grinder.
  
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  December 9, 2024 12:03pm
  - Taieri
    
    The evil Zelensky
    ———–
    
    To be fair, he’s very limited choices. After nearly 3 years of war he can’t stop it from his side just like that. His own personal survival would be at stake if he was to do that.
    
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    December 9, 2024 12:23pm
    - Eastlander
      
      Evil is far too strong a word. He’s just a weak man who will always take the path of least resistance. One can imagine a world where Viktor Yanukovich was allowed to serve out his term and the rebellion never happened. In that world nothing much would have been expected of Zelensky and he could have bumbled amiably through his term without appreciable harm to the country.
      
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      December 9, 2024 3:50pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    He is certainly evil, but it is difficult to see a professional soldier of any rank, never mind general, taking orders from the t-shirted tiny minded greedy little fucker.
    
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    December 9, 2024 1:46pm
    - Lance
      
      I can smell Putins vodka on your breath.
      FFS, your utterances devoid of reality might make me think you are reading too many of Putins handouts.
      
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      December 9, 2024 3:25pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        I prefer Bourbon and I have no allegiance to any country except New Zealand. I’m giving my opinion of what I know, but thanks for your reply.
        
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        December 9, 2024 6:25pm
- Lance
  
  Oh let me guess, you are criticising him for being in alignment with the fact that a murderous piece of shit called Putin is trying to destroy his country.
  And I assume his “T-Shirt” was green?
  
  How dare he pretend there is a war when all “smart people” know it is only a special operation.
  /sarc/
  
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  December 9, 2024 1:22pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Putin should get the Nobel Peace Prize for the restraint he has shown.
    
    If you blink the wrong way America will invade you. Wake up!
    
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    December 9, 2024 1:50pm
    - Lance
      
      Sooooooooooooooooo……
      Invadng Crimea for no good reason (other than murderous conquest) and then just rearming and going again at the rest of Ukraine was a just America being provocative.
      I call BULLSHIT on that.
      
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      December 9, 2024 3:22pm
      - Taieri
        
        Invadng Crimea for no good reason (other than murderous conquest)
        ———–
        
        There were two confirmed casualties during the Russian invasion of Crimea. One was an Ukrainian soldier and the other one was Russian paramilitary man. They even had a joint funeral.
        
        There’s hardly any military resistance by the Ukrainian side. In fact many Ukrainian soldiers and policemen changed sides – the Russians simply paid better and paid on time.
        
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        December 9, 2024 5:06pm
    - Burtland
      
      a nobel peace prize for sending 600,000 russians to an early death ?
      
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      December 9, 2024 11:26pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Putin is an evil megalomaniacal nutter with delusions of being an historic Russian hegemon along lines of Peter the Great and the Ukraine war is really a war of cessation of the Russian/Soviet empire. The fringing parts of the Russian empire are tired of being screwed over and it will break apart as Moscow’s power declines in the wake of their Ukrainian fiasco.
  
  Europe and US never had any interest in fighting a war with Russia, and only saw opportunity in increasing the sizes of the rich and prosperous west with all the benefits that brings through gradual economic ascent of Eastern Europe into their pantheon – as Poland and Hungary are doing.
  
  Russia cannot survive the technological and sociopolitical changes coming. Their terrible mafia style govt will inevitably fail – as the oligarchs pocket the money needed to maintain their infrastructure and economic future and entirely fail to maintain education and commercial development needed to hold up Russian economy, and the Russia population and developmental toehold in their vast expanse will rapidly decline as anyone with brains sees more opportunity in emigration. Watch travel videologs through Russia to see how awful the conditions are and how everything is falling apart – it simply can’t be sustained without brutally repressive govt forcing people to do their will in miserable conditions.
  
  Ukraine conflict has shown just how utterly incompetent Russian leadership is and how hopeless their military is. No-one will be buying Russian weapons in future and the only remaining significant Russian exports will be minerals, further diminishing them as a power.
  
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  December 9, 2024 4:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Indigenous lore and Science

…..an Australian perspective

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/henry-ergas-calling-indigenous-lore-science-marks-ed-husic-s-ignorance
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December 9, 2024 11:11am
- Swifty
  
  Sums up current New Zealand culture to a tee:
  
  “Also at work is the conviction that historical accuracy and intellectual honesty matter less than “celebrating” Indigenous culture – a conviction that, far from promoting science, offends the unbending commitment to the truth that is science’s very essence. Significant too is the now ingrained hostility to the Western achievement, and to the scientific spirit, which is among its glittering jewels, with it.”
  
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  December 9, 2024 12:15pm
Paulus

As our Education remains very poor perhaps we should consider reveiwing the hours and days that schools use currently to the advantage of the Teachers and their strident Unions.
In New Zealand DST schools could start at 8am with 30 minutes for lunch and go agin until 4pm.
In Winter move an hour to include more daylight.
There woud be a revolution from Mothers, Teachers that more time learning of basics would become necessary.
But currently it is the Mothers who complain aboutr the poorness of results from an early age.
But do the help – NBFear it is not their jobs to bring up their children but leave it to the so called ill educated experts the Teachers.
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December 9, 2024 11:21am
MCōs

According to this article NZ schools have a 6-1/2hr day including breaks
Top of the countries surveyed is Thailand, which is three hours longer and I can tell you our education system is far superior. Wealthy Thais send their kids abroad, including here, to get a quality education.
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December 9, 2024 12:29pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Why would wealthy Thais send their kids to NZ for an education. Wouldn’t the top ranked Singapore be closer and better?
  This place is a shit show.
  
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  December 9, 2024 2:40pm
  - Fender
    
    its purely for them to learn English, Chinese the same, the parents value that language skill. Used to be Japanese but they tend now to be the kids that are bat crazy and are shipped here to avoid embarrassing the family name.
    
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    December 9, 2024 3:15pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      and learnin NZ English ie the NZ accent as they dont want their kids to sound like Americans
      
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      December 9, 2024 6:46pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  40 years ago they would have got a “quality education”.
  
  Having their heads filled with Marxism inspired lunacy these days, not so much.
  
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  December 9, 2024 2:48pm
- MCōs
  
  Here’s the article that I forgot to attach to my earlier comment
  The point being that as the old blues song goes – it ain’t the meat it’s the motion
  https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-school-day-length-by-country
  
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  December 9, 2024 2:56pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    Wouldnt believe those stats.
    
    I look at Cambodian stats. They are bollocks.
    
    Seems they forget that kids take a 2 hour lunch 11am-1pm break(2 hour lunch is normal. Heat of the day and all that.
    
    Plus many Kids only do half days/ Public Schools
    
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    December 9, 2024 6:50pm
Burtland

the DEI merry-go-round continues …

dame patsy to head climate commission replacing rod carr
her background in troughing makes her the ideal candidate

national loves DEI

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/536090/dame-patsy-reddy-to-chair-climate-change-commission
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December 9, 2024 12:41pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Vegan so she is even one upped Carr on that.
  
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  December 9, 2024 1:02pm
- Taieri
  
  In the meantime, the Baileine oil field in Ivory Coast is ramping up production to 60000 barrels of oil per day and 70 million cubic feet of gas per day.
  Further expansion of production from this field alone is projected at 150000 barrels per day and 200 million cubic feet of gas per day.
  The daily production of oil in Guyana (population approx. 800K) is currently approx. 660000 barrels per day.
  
  Just two examples of fighting the climate change…
  
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  December 9, 2024 1:28pm
- imalwaysright
  
  A female Cardinal. How progressive are we….
  
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  December 9, 2024 6:36pm
Hugh Jarse

If she is as effective running the climate commission as she was with NZ rugby she will wreck that too. They will be more focused on DEI issues than trying to sort out the climate to the relief of the rest of us.
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December 9, 2024 1:15pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  The climate cult is a modern day form of Lysenkoism.
  
  Lovely for those on the cult payroll. An ongoing trainwreck for everyone else.
  
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  December 9, 2024 2:53pm
Swifty

Elizabeth Rata on The Platform:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEhl9mABKMU
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December 9, 2024 1:29pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  A person with her head firmly screwed on!
  
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  December 9, 2024 2:50pm
Swifty

Hahahahhahahahhahhahahhaha!

I’ve been waiting for this to happen.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-man-suffers-electric-shock-during-alleged-copper-theft-at-flood-affected-home/KFDOHGMM6ZBCFFVV4WU6PX6TSM/

No sympathy from me I’m sorry.
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December 9, 2024 2:06pm
Bobba Fret

Sometimes karma just happens and you think, yes, there is a god.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-man-suffers-electric-shock-during-alleged-copper-theft-at-flood-affected-home/KFDOHGMM6ZBCFFVV4WU6PX6TSM/
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December 9, 2024 2:08pm
- Lance
  
  There is probably some pencil pusshing A-hole looking for a home owner or electrician to prosecute for failing to make their house wiring thief proof.
  
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  December 9, 2024 3:37pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Please don’t give Labour and the Greens ideas.
    
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    December 9, 2024 3:58pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Haha. Yes you are probably right.
    
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    December 9, 2024 4:03pm
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-man-suffers-electric-shock-during-alleged-copper-theft-at-flood-affected-home/KFDOHGMM6ZBCFFVV4WU6PX6TSM/

“we’re pleased that not only will the man recover, but he will be held to account for his actions.””

Police wishing good health to criminals is disrespectful to the victims of crime. Whose side are the police supposed to be on?
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December 9, 2024 2:09pm
Steve Otto N Shore

Free Speech Union to sue Hutt City Council over breach of Bill of Rights Act.
‘Treaty of Waitangi – An Explanation’ by Sir Āpirana Ngata has been banned from it’s premises – “viewed as spreading misinformation”.
This will be interesting.

https://www.fsu.nz/free_speech_union_to_sue_hutt_city_council_over_breach_of_bill_of_rights_act

[Mod – just noticing this is a new account are you having issues]
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December 9, 2024 2:25pm
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  Only with moderation. I have sent email to DPF to ask for posting without moderation.
  The reason for the new account is because I was locked out of even viewing Kiwiblog or any web link to Kiwiblog let alone log in, so I figured it is WordPress messing me about again. So modified user name and new password.
  
  [Mod – let’s see if we can fix that, log out of this account, I’ll send you a password reset, if that fails let me know]
  
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  December 9, 2024 2:47pm
  - Steve Otto N Shore
    
    Mod, no password reset, but the password I have is fine. I did change it from the new WordPress one.
    All is good unless I breached the rules about creating a new account.
    Still in moderation though.
    
    [Mod – no your fine with a new account, if you want to use the old account I can sort it out for you]
    
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    December 9, 2024 3:20pm
    - Steve Otto N Shore
      
      New one is fine thanks. Besides, I have had enough from WordPress. I was getting emails about my password changed when I had not done that.
      Right now I think if it’s not broken anymore it does not need fixing.
      Thankyou.
      
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      December 9, 2024 3:28pm
- mandk
  
  No surprise here.
  
  After all, the Lower Hutt Mayor is a Labour Party stooge.
  
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  December 9, 2024 3:59pm
- MCōs
  
  This relates to a paid advertisement in a local newspaper paid for by the FSU as far as I can ascertain.
  The FSU seems to have more money to spend on legal costs than the ratepayers
  Btw
  The mayor and council are not involved, mandk
  https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/360515725/free-speech-union-suing-hutt-city-council
  
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  December 9, 2024 10:37pm
Swifty

Rickahshae…..

(Ricochet?)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360516059/murder-charge-laid-after-death-8-year-old-boy-whakatane

FFS.
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December 9, 2024 2:30pm
- Conservatarian
  
  Could be 100% Irish (Rick O’Shea?)
  
  But yes, FFS
  
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  December 9, 2024 3:20pm
  - Ghost
    
    Rickah’Shae.
    
    Nothing wrong with it
    
    It’s better than some names
    
    Sky
    River
    Almond
    Cinnamon
    
    Maybe they are wrestling fans. It’s just a name, wasn’t the name that got it him murdered
    
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    December 9, 2024 3:35pm
    - Blog-aholic
      
      I’m guessing the name Ruthless-Empire didn’t get him killed either but there seems some similarity…..one wonders what that could be?
      
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      December 9, 2024 3:44pm
      - Ghost
        
        And what are those similarities? The colour of the skin? No one has tried to cover up this murder. The parents were not involved in the murder of their child.
        
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        December 9, 2024 4:01pm
      - rouppe
        
        Not sure we know that for sure.
        
        25 year old woman arrested, would be 17 eight years ago.
        
        No comment from anyone referred to as either parent.
        
        We certainly don’t know it was the mother, but we also don’t know it wasn’t.
        
        Unless you have some information others don’t?
        
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        December 9, 2024 8:34pm
      - Ghost
        
        Actually we do know that for sure because the mother has posted on her Facebook. The mother is not 25 years old, the mother hasn’t been arrested, and the mother has posted what she thinks of the person that killed her child. So yes we do certainly know it was not the mother
        
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        December 10, 2024 12:06am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Should definitely be added to the list of “bogan baby names”.
      
      https://thingsboganslike.com/a-bogue-by-any-other-name/
      
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      December 9, 2024 3:51pm
      - Steve Otto N Shore
        
        Depressing, and the kid wears that name for life.
        
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        December 9, 2024 4:15pm
    - mandk
      
      But the poor kid’s name should have made it clear to OT and other authorities that he was likely to be at risk.
      
      Same with that kid named Ruthless, murdered last year in Lower Hutt.
      
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      December 9, 2024 3:56pm
      - Ghost
        
        You do realise right that the parents of this child did not kill their child?
        
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        December 9, 2024 4:20pm
      - mandk
        
        That’s not really the point, Ghost.
        
        The name of the kid should have given a strong indication that he was in a dangerous social environment.
        
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        December 9, 2024 4:39pm
      - Ghost
        
        Let’s look at the names of some children murdered in New Zealand
        
        Liane, Maya and Karla Dickason
        Tyla-Maree Darryl Flynn
        Riley Justin Osborne
        Maggie Renee Watson
        Gracie-May McSorley
        Leon Jayet-Cole
        Leith Allen Hutchison
        Aaliyah Ashlyn Chand
        Mary Jane Lotonu’u-Lorigan
        James Joseph Ruhe Lawrence
        
        A child’s name does not give any indication that it will be abused or killed. yes the fact the child wasn’t killed by the people that gave him their name is important if you are going to claim it is a sign the child will be killed or abused. Perhaps you better call the fbi and alert them to the idiotic names Elon has called his children.
        
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        December 9, 2024 4:58pm
Ra Henare

Sadly it seems that following on from his anti Trump rants, Sir Bob seems to be losing the plot.

While he has an opinion on PM Luxon probably being NZs best Prime Minister (which I disagree with).
https://nopunchespulled.com/

He has only allowed sycophants to comment on his No Punches Pulled blog. No contrarian opinions allowed.

This is not the pipe smoking, arguing, Bob Jones I knew some 4o years ago.

Sadly, I am reminded of the words.

Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.
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December 9, 2024 3:37pm
- Swifty
  
  Ah, good to have you back Ra.
  
  Lately I’ve noticed one or two posts from you where you’ve made a point without making snide, personal attacks – and I’ve wondered if everything was alright with you.
  
  I see with this post you’re back to your old self.
  
  Good stuff.
  
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  December 9, 2024 5:33pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    I guess being on the receiving end of personal attacks/snide remarks on KB made me realise
    that my cryptic comments and observations are light-hearted banter compared to some crap that is thrown at me on KB.
    
    My observations are not personal attacks but valid Freedom of speech observations.
    
    But you can read in to them what you want.
    
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    December 9, 2024 6:59pm
cmm

This bloke got 3 years for manslaughter after killing someone with an illegal firearm, operated in an extremely irresponsible matter.

Despite having numerous previous convictions he got time off for “good character”.

Maybe if he was a Mongrel Mob member he would have ended up on Xbox leave?

This whole lot looks a bit sketchy though. Were they shooting on private land? The groups were originally unaware of eachother until they had met up and were in separate parties. That suggests they were likely poaching

Shooting at night on public land is strictly illegal and this episode underlines why.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360515259/man-jailed-three-years-after-his-son-accidentally-shot-and-killed-hunter
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December 9, 2024 4:24pm
cmm

Is it too late to submit an entry for Dudge of the year award?

Justin Turanga David Bruce Perry raped and violated 4 young women (and girls), the youngest was 12, across a 3 year period.

He was found guilty of he was found guilty of:
* one charge of rape,
* seven counts of sexual violation by unlawful sexual connection,
* five of sexual conduct with a young person under 16,
* two of indecent assault and
* one of sexual conduct with a young person.

So it wasn’t just a single mistake then. 50 cents and a servo pie says it isn’t his last either.

“Judge Tini Clark said Perry’s offending was serious and harmful, – but reduced his initial prison term by 60 months on account of his youth, prospect of rehabilitation and “late” remorse.”

Knock off 5 years because he’s got a cheeky grin then? Why not!

At least he didn’t get Home D.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hamilton-sexual-predator-teen-jailed-for-raping-girl-violating-three-others/VHYOPPV46ZD7ZHZWJHDINFJWQA/
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December 9, 2024 4:55pm
- fernglas
  
  There should never be a discount for remorse when someone has pleaded not guilty and put the victims through a trial. The remorse is purely at being caught
  
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  December 9, 2024 5:18pm
  - F E Smith
    
    That is not always correct, which is why we have discretion for judges at sentencing.
    
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    December 9, 2024 6:02pm
- F E Smith
  
  That is a very tough sentencing. There is a mixture of offending as a youth and as an adult. The youth offending must attract a significant discount simply because of the age of the offender. You can’t given him an adult sentence, which would likely have been around the 9 year mark or a bit more, because he wasn’t one when at least some of the offending happened.
  
  The remorse issue was limited, it seems, because of his lack of insight. On the other hand, he was given a chance to do some rehab before sentence under s25 sentencing act and seems to have done ok, so that appears to have had some influence. The rehab may account for a little bit of remorse, although it seems there is a long way to go.
  
  All in all, not an easy sentence to work out for the judge, seems appropriate on first glance.
  
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  December 9, 2024 6:02pm
Jack5

Courts back banksters using muscle…

Is this Wokesterism? The Court of Appeal backs the Australian-owned Bank of New Zealand closing the accounts of the controversial Christian commune, Gloriavale.

Banks in the UK have closed the accounts of political figures.

Whether you despise, tolerate or like Gloriavale, surely a rational citizen would not accept that its bank can shut its accounts on moral, non-financial grounds.

Woke judges, Woke overseas banks.

What are they doing to democracy?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/536127/court-of-appeal-clears-way-for-bnz-to-close-gloriavale-s-bank-accounts
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December 9, 2024 5:11pm
- peterwn
  
  This is a tricky one. If this causes Gloriavale to fall over I am not sure too many people would care. However there would then be a welfare emergency with the Government would need to deal with. Some residents may need considerable welfare assistance to help them integrate into normal society.
  
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  December 9, 2024 8:51pm
Jack5

The Free Speech Union is going after the Hutt City Council and its Chief Executive, Jo Miller (in her personal capacity, the FSU notes), for removing from all council sites a paid advertisement inserted in newspapers.

The advertisement- insert was published in Stuff and NZME newspapers. It was from Treaty of Waitangi – An Explanation, by Sir Āpirana Ngata..

This was published in 31 NZME and Stuff newspapers by the New Zealand Centre for Political Research.

https://www.fsu.nz/free_speech_union_to_sue_hutt_city_council_over_breach_of_bill_of_rights_act
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December 9, 2024 5:33pm
- peterwn
  
  Years agi the New York City Library removed the horse racing pages from its newspapers so as not to encourage betting.
  
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  December 9, 2024 8:42pm
Colville

The centre-right vote is holding firm, with National on 34.2% and ACT 13%.

Woooooop!!
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December 9, 2024 5:34pm
Steve Otto N Shore

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez will leave Congress for a reason no one saw coming.
No, no please. The US needs you to run for POTUS in 2028.

https://patriotpulse.net/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-will-leave-congress-for-a-reason-no-one-saw-coming/?
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December 9, 2024 6:05pm
Ghost

Poor woman, what a tragic event to live with. Sad that this tragic event is being raised now

Donald Trump’s pick for US surgeon general Dr Janette Nesheiwat was involved in a gun accident when was 13-years-old that killed her father.

The incident occurred in February 1990 at her family home in Florida when Nesheiwat knocked over a box causing a gun to fall out and fire, the Orlando Sentinel reported.

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