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Yvette

Open Letter to King Charles III – From the National Iwi Chairs Forum and Ngā Rangatira o Aotearoa/Te Waipounamu

Tēnā koe e te Kingi Charles,
[…] We wish to raise a constitutional matter. In 1840, your ancestor Queen Victoria negotiated Te Tiriti o Waitangi with our Rangatira (leaders) ancestors. Through our Rangatira, Te Tiriti o Waitangi: Gave the Crown the authority to set up a government for her people who had settled or were to settle in Aotearoa/Te Waipounamu (Kāwanatanga). Promised the protection of our ongoing Rangatiratanga (which encompasses sovereignty) over our lands, territories and resources (Tino Rangatiratanga). Gave the Crown a pre-emptive right to occupy lands we were willing to allocate. Promised our whānau the same rights as her subjects. …
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/11/new-zealand-maori-tribes-letter-king-charles-treaty-of-waitangi.

Apparently Aotearoa/Te Waipounamu means North Island/South Island – the proper use of ‘Aotearoa’ – when you are the National Iwi Chairs Forum and Ngā Rangatira addressing King Charles III.
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December 19, 2024 8:00am
- pdm
  
  Selective memories I think.
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:21am
- Burtland
  
  Aotearoa is a fake name for New Zealand …
  
  there was a welcome to a maori gathering in the 1800s which was the same – Aotearoa/Te Waipounamu – cant find it now
  
  our history is a mess
  
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  December 19, 2024 10:11am
  - Paulus
    
    Not our History, that made up by Maori for Maori.
    Supported by the Media at any cost.
    
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    December 19, 2024 2:08pm
- mandk
  
  I’m glad the Iwi Chairs Froum made that distinction.
  
  It confirms that “Aotearoa” and “New Zealand” are not interchangeable, and that any references to the former should be avoided in any documents or texts that are concerned with the country as a whole.
  
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  December 19, 2024 10:23am
  - OlderChas
    
    So – reissue all NZ passports?
    
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    December 19, 2024 11:21am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Simple solution. All NEW (renewed) Passports can have whatever name that is APPROVED by Government.
      
      No need to Re issue as the current ones will expire.
      
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      December 19, 2024 4:00pm
- alphabeatrium
  
  “Gave the Crown a pre-emptive right to occupy lands we were willing to allocate.” That’s a seriously hot take. I thought there was universal assent that the Crown had negotiated the right to pre-emption for Maori who wanted to sell their land. I mean, that was blindingly obvious, because the Crown actually gave up this right at the behest of Maori (they weren’t getting enough money from the Crown). The Crown bought land cheap and sold it to settlers for a higher price, and used the difference to fund immigration. This was intentional.
  
  Seriosuly can’t get over how outrageously revisionist that letter is…
  
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  December 19, 2024 11:18am
- BananaLlama
  
  Somebody needs to tell NZ Maori that the king gave up his right to rule over us back in 1907
  
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  December 19, 2024 1:09pm
Pope Punctilious II

So I wonder how the NZ navy’s DEI program is working out. Surely by now they must be collecting a nice fat diversidy dividend – that unfortunate episode with the Manawanui must have been a case of teething problems, a minor blip blown out of all proportion by sexist, homophobic Armchair Admirals.

Oh wait, looks like another female commander is on the rocks, so to speak.
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December 19, 2024 8:05am
- cmm
  
  She has been on shore leave for quite a few months now.
  
  From a brief reading on what a “summary trial” means, this is considered to be the proper way to try medium-level offending that could see things being upgraded to a proper court martial.
  
  If it was really serious offending they would have skipped straight to CM.
  
  It is a pity that the “woman’s touch” she brought to the ship didn’t extend to cleaning. Last time I saw HMNZS Canterbury she looked like a rust bucket.
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:41am
  - Ehlana
    
    Since when did the military need women to keep things clean?
    
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    December 19, 2024 10:00am
    - cmm
      
      She could order the cleaning. That’s what most commanders would do.
      
      I am still at a loss as to why she thought she should say she’s bringing a “woman’s touch” to the ship and what that even means.
      
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      December 19, 2024 10:05am
      - OlderChas
        
        Ship’s Companys’ are no longer allowed to use stages or Bosun’s Chairs to scrub down or paint ships’ sides or superstructures. Blame ridiculous Elfin Say F Ty rules. Additionally, warships no longer carry the large crews needed in the past to man manually loaded weapons, aircraft lookouts etc. So no ‘hands’ available for the time and personnel consuming ships husbandry. Blame modern technology. Nor are they allowed to paint exterior surfaces as the paint is a two-pot epoxy mix and must be applied by specialist personnel and equipment. Again – blame modern technology. Not the Ships’ Captains not crews’ faults. I betcha the interiors are spotless as they always were in my day.
        
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        December 19, 2024 11:31am
      - cmm
        
        Older: I suppose they’re also not allowed to face gunfire without a safety plan either.
        
        I shudder to think how the tradition of pride in your ship can continue if ships are allowed o get scruffy like that. It looks like nobody cares about taxpayer assets any more.
        
        I visited a few South African ships and they were always well painted etc – even though some were being used in in an active war.
        
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        December 19, 2024 1:27pm
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    I suspect it’s a “woman’s touch” that’s got her into trouble.
    
    If not that then it will be the classic bullying you see from people like her when given any power
    
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    December 19, 2024 10:37am
    - Paulus
      
      It has been now well etablished in University of London againrecently that Women and Men’s brains are different.
      When we will we ever learn that just being a woman is good enough for just any job – including the GG, Head of the Supremec Court, and Head of the Army.
      Of course they are only the best people for the jobs.
      
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      December 19, 2024 2:14pm
  - OlderChas
    
    In response to your response to my reply, I have absolutely no doubt that there is such a regime in place concerning facing gunfire. And yes I agree that in the past most warships were smartly painted and clean in appearance from outboard. I personally was hung over the side in a bosun’s chair every time my cruiser weighed anchor to paint the anchor after it was housed. Just not possible any more.
    And the few times I exercised with the SAN our ships were much smarter looking!
    
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    December 20, 2024 10:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Arderns DEI
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:50am
  - Paulus
    
    Helen Clark, Margaret Wilson and Judith Tizard started by breaking the family unit, via Social Welfare changes.
    Dame Arden jusr carried on their destruction.
    
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    December 19, 2024 2:18pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      So bad that Key just left them all unchanged ……
      
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      December 19, 2024 4:32pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        “At the end of the day, we will be slightly less shit than Labour.”
        
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        December 19, 2024 6:39pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The NZDF is there to bring “havoc and disorder to the King’s enemies” not bring a “woman’s touch”.
  
  Nelson’s Fighting Instructions:
  
  “A Captain can do no wrong who lays his ship alongside that of an enemy”
  
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  December 19, 2024 10:30am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    With DEI, the enemy is no longer ours. The enemy is us.
    
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    December 19, 2024 11:30am
muzled

Just reading Te Ao news.

There are over 2500 treaty claims yet to start being heard!

Call me naive but I didn’t really think there would have been that many claims altogether.

In total there are 14,637 treaty claims.

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2024/12/18/new-report-reveals-more-than-2500-treaty-settlements-yet-to-start/

Maggy correct me if I’m wrong here but I read there were approx 150 iwi/hapu in nzuld.

If that number is correct, that’s just shy of 100 claims per iwi/hapu.
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December 19, 2024 8:08am
- imalwaysright
  
  And the public pay their legal fees.
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You’re probably right with the c. 150 iwi and hapu that are currently recognised in NZ
  
  https://tewhata.io/
  
  However most of the smaller iwi have some affiliation with others and often present as a group collective.
  
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  December 19, 2024 10:33am
cmm

Nicely hidden in the Christmas rush is the news that Commmander Bronwyn Heslop is going to face a trial next year but are keeping the charges under wrap.

So much for bringing a “woman’s touch” to the ship. Please just bring the “Navy’s touch”.
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December 19, 2024 8:10am
- pdm
  
  Trial or Court Marshall?
  
  Is there a difference in the Armed Forces?
  
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  December 19, 2024 8:19am
  - Cassandra
    
    Martial. A CM is a military trial.
    
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    December 19, 2024 8:23am
    - pdm
      
      Thanks Cass – edit cut me off before I could correct my spelling. I should have known better too.
      
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      December 19, 2024 8:25am
  - cmm
    
    It says a summary trial. AFAIK this can recommend a court martial or make a finding on its own.
    
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    December 19, 2024 8:30am
    - Biscuit
      
      Nyce too no sum ov uss kan youse da Qing’s Inglish, a, cmm!
      
      (pdm, my study, 1pm…)
      
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      December 19, 2024 9:13am
      - pdm
        
        I could write it out 100 times Biscuit – as I did until (incorrectly spelt untill) in standard 5 Biscuit.
        
        Doubt the mods (Merry Christmas Mods) would let me publish though.
        
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        December 19, 2024 9:26am
      - Biscuit
        
        Ah, no-one’s perfect, pdm!
        
        (Why, as recently as June 2001, I had a day when my perfection level fell as low as a shocking 98.875%!)
        
        My spelling bugbear used to be the word Mediterranean which I invariably spelt in essays as Meditterranean. My Geo. teacher, a Mr Ross, a great man, brought me up to the blackboard one day, got me to write it (incorrectly) and then got me to tell the class what it literally meant.
        
        ‘Um, well, medi means middle.’
        ‘Very good. And what does tterra mean?’
        
        HUGE laughter from the class … but a salutary, never-forgotten lesson to me that terra, meaning Earth, only one had ‘t’ in it. And the same thing for Mediterranean…
        
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        December 19, 2024 9:35am
  - G152
    
    Requestmen and defaulters 🙂
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:04am
    - OlderChas
      
      Sounds like you may have been both at some time G?
      
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      December 19, 2024 11:35am
      - G152
        
        Anyone in longer than a watch mate :}
        
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        December 19, 2024 2:26pm
  - My-Gumboot
    
    You want the truth..you can’t handle the truth
    https://youtu.be/9FnO3igOkOk?si=A2j54iaGHpmYc1Ch
    
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    December 19, 2024 11:05am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The job of the Armed Forces is to “go out and bring havoc and disorder to the King’s Enemies” if required.
  
  Not to bring “a woman’s touch”.
  
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  December 19, 2024 8:42am
  - cmm
    
    TBF, Canterbury is a log vessel with minimal self-defence capabilities. Hardly going to scare the King’s Enemies unless you get the cook to go out front and wave his frying pan.
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:48am
    - Jack5
      
      Wikipedia says of HMNZS Canterbury:
      
      The vessel was plagued by problems since delivery, having been involved in a number of incidents and being considered less seaworthy than specified. It was estimated in 2008 that at least another NZ$20 million would have to be spent to achieve the sought-for operational abilities.
      
      NZ doesn’t seem to have inherited from Britain the “Nelson touch”.
      
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      December 19, 2024 9:56am
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        RNZN has no one with experience in operating cargo vessels. They were advised by the builders this was a suitable vessel for operating in the Islands.
        
        AFAIK no one in NZ with operating vessels in the Islands was consulted. She is completely unsuited for that operation. On 3 occasions in the late 80’s I gave a talk at the NZ Command College at RNZAF Whenuapai on the vessel available and how you would load them if the NZDF was asked to go up to the P Is in “defence of the civil power”!!!
        
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        December 19, 2024 10:36am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Wikipedia is a far left “disinformation” project designed to fool the gullible into thinking it’s a source of truth.
        
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        December 19, 2024 8:41pm
    - rangitoto
      
      A decent force would be ten Flight III Arleigh Burke style destroyers. Just need to stump up some cash.
      
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      December 19, 2024 10:19am
      - JackRabbit
        
        We could have had 20 of those with the money Labour borrowed, printed, and pissed up against the wall.
        
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        December 19, 2024 11:19am
    - Terry Dalee
      
      Hopefully they stay away from Vanuatu, they don’t need a shipwreck ontop of a earthquake..
      Already had the Herc divert to Noumea with an engine fire warning….
      
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      December 19, 2024 12:13pm
      - Paulus
        
        Isn’t Canterbury on her way to Vanuatu ?
        The oil salvage barge to Samoa is again stuck en route by weather.
        
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        December 19, 2024 2:22pm
- imalwaysright
  
  From article: “Commander Heslop denies the allegations and is looking forward to continuing with her duties after the holiday leave period.”
  
  The Military Police must have good reason to charge a Commander.
  Is she saying that she is innocent or is she saying they can’t prove the charges?
  I think the Navy would consider the latter unbecoming of an officer.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360526911/navy-commander-faces-military-trial-next-year
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:33am
Tomtoddy

One of the more disturbing trends in our world is the erosion of the value of human life. Once human life was deemed sacred and the judicial system protected that sanctity by condemning murderers to death themselves as retribution and a warning to the community that taking life was not acceptable. Other than in a few rare cases that process has been watered down to imprisonment with shorter and shorter terms.
We now allow mercy killing of the old and terminally ill. We allow unborn babies to be killed even up to fulltime in some circumstances.

Now an even more sinister move – accepting that some people who represent an ideology we disagree with can be killed. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5044269-poll-finds-41-percent-find-killing-unacceptable/

It is hard to believe that societal values are moving so quickly that removing innocent people because we feel strongly they represent something we don’t like is seen as OK. It is not difficult to see where this is heading.
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December 19, 2024 8:12am
- cmm
  
  I must say I struggle to find tears when a gang member is killed.
  
  Yes, there is an erosion of the value of human life, but there is also an erosion of society.
  
  When I arrived in NZ in 1992, about the only place you would see any graffiti is in South Auckland.
  When I first came to Christchurch in 1996 I was driven around – we saw one bit of graffiti on the Harper Ave bridge over the Avon during an hour long drive through Christchurch and Sumner etc.
  Now there are at least 10 bits of graffiti within 100 metres of my house.
  
  People feel nothing stealing from supermarkets. The cops don’t even respond when you report a stolen vehicle, etc etc.
  
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  December 19, 2024 8:24am
  - Burtland
    
    theres one guy in Christchurch been doing a lot of the graffiti for over 10 years -PK- hes recently done every traffic light control box in the city
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:22am
- JimBobJoe
  
  The word you are searching for is: Evil
  
  Their is a general inhumanity running around the word which totally disrespects human life and even actively hates human life.
  
  The climate change banner is really a depopulation banner, i.e. few humans.
  
  The wider green movement is inspiring western woman to not have children, even while pushing hyper promiscuity! How more anti human can you get??? Procreate but don’t conceive, and if you conceive kill the child in the Womb…
  
  The criminals rights movement which has peaked in the US recently with the defund the police banner is again an anti-human movement, as it sets the general population up as prey for unhinged and in some case purely evil predators to feast on.
  
  The western world is truly under siege from Evil…
  
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  December 19, 2024 8:49am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Correct. This evil seems to mirror access to (anti)social media.
    Our signal to noise ratio used to be about 90/10. These days we would be lucky if it was 20/80.
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:50am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    A greyhound trainer told me earlier this week about evil. If his niece gets rid of a child she does not want it is called abortion and the Lefties love it. If he gets rid of an Oaks contender that he does not want then he faces a fine of up to $50,000 for getting rid of the bitch.
    
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    December 19, 2024 10:35am
cmm

A German couple got to pay the Rotorua tax when their campervan was burgled. They tracked down the offender and found a cop, but the cop said nothing could be done because he didn’t have a warrant.

I am no expert on police procedure, but surely if you have a theft victim saying there is someone with stolen goods then the police don’t need a search warrant to detain someone and ask questions.

Sounds to me like the cop didn’t feel like being hassled and needs a solid arse-kicking.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rotorua-german-tourists-track-suspect-criticise-police-after-campervan-break-in/EWTJYDM7TNFLHGZX4ZTYBBMI5U/
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December 19, 2024 8:16am
- imalwaysright
  
  He doesn’t need a warrant to knock on the door.
  Then if he thinks he can smell dope he doesnt need a warrant to go in.
  Lazy, scared or both.
  
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  December 19, 2024 8:43am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, it can’t be easy being a cop in a gang town like Rotorua, but if you’re going to take the coin then do the job.
    
    I’ve only been there once or twice back in the 1990s. Even then you got the intimidating feeling that you are being treated as prey by an envious and hostile population. I thought I’d left that behind in Africa, but no – alive and well in A/NZ.
    
    I don’t know, but I strongly suspect, that the entitlement, aggro and intimidation is way worse than it was 30 years ago.
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:54am
- rouppe
  
  Yes appalling response.
  
  “We prioritise life threatening incidents”. There must be no less than 10 police on duty in Rotorua at any time. You’re trying to tell me there are 10 life threatening incidents in Rotorua continuously 24 hours a day?
  
  I know it’s a shit hole, but really?
  
  Bollocks.
  
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  December 19, 2024 8:44am
  - plc
    
    “We prioritise life threatening incidents….and the alleged vandalism of rainbow crossings”.
    
    There…fixed it for you 🙂
    
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    December 19, 2024 1:47pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:

At 8.20am, one hardy cyclist – bravo! If only he had some chums.

A cool, damp morning in the Capital, not ideal for cycling, to be fair. But, the international bankers whose funds the Council borrowed to build the bike rack still need to be paid, inclement weather or no.
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December 19, 2024 8:20am
- Grunter
  
  Out of curiosity – is it the same bike every morning? Maybe it’s just left there and there are in fact no bikers?
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:36am
  - Biscuit
    
    Grunter, following on from the theme in an earlier post today, maybe NMTB should ‘tag’ the bike so he can be sure!
    
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    December 19, 2024 12:36pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    It looks like the same bike, a rather snazzy red model, but it’s always gone when I schlep past at 6pm. On the balance of probabilities it’s a genuine bikist, if not beyond reasonable doubt
    
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    December 19, 2024 5:27pm
Cassandra

Barry Soper has a fulsome tribute to PM Luxon at Newstalk. Very fair appraisal. While National has not gone as far as some of us would like, it’s early days. 2025 should be a good year. Lots to do. Just slowing down the Labour-driven descent to an ethnostate will not be good enough.
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December 19, 2024 8:22am
- lifesgood
  
  I’m sick of the whinging about Luxon. It’s incredibly childish to expect a complete reversal in just one year of the appalling mess Labour left the country in.
  
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  December 19, 2024 8:25am
  - Damocles11
    
    It’s difficult to know what you are talking about. What do you mean ‘a complete reversal’? I’d settle for a partial reversal and some gutsy principled leadership at this point.
    
    Q. Has government spending increased?
    A. Yes
    
    Q. Are our deficits getting larger, and will persist for longer?
    A. Yes.
    
    Q. Have ‘the Principles of the Treaty’ been removed from legislation?
    A. No.
    
    Q. Has state (red) media been defunded / sold?
    A. No.
    
    Q. Has the Waitangi Tribunal had its wings clipped?
    A. No.
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:29am
    - Grunter
      
      Well done Damocles11
      
      5 Inconvenient Truths spelled oy succinctly.
      
      The emotive “stop whinging about Luxon” on KB sounds a bit desperate and almost akin to ‘Jacindmania’ from the left-wing media.
      
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      December 19, 2024 10:28am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Q. Has Una Jagose been fired?
      A. No.
      
      Q. Has maatauranga Maori been removed from the Marsden Fund’s funding criteria?
      A. No.
      
      Q. Has maatauranga been removed from the school science curriculum?
      A. I don’t know.
      
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      December 19, 2024 6:51pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Damo and Pope. All very good points BUT, good things take time. 😊
        
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        December 19, 2024 8:58pm
  - AitchW
    
    I especially enjoy Hipkins having the gall to suggest that National can no longer blame his government for the mess we’re in.
    Remember “6 long years of neglect” for 6 even longer years?
    He must have the hide of a rhino….
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:44am
    - Blog-aholic
      
      No he has the brains of a koala.
      
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      December 19, 2024 10:26am
    - mandk
      
      Actually, Labour were complaining about 9 years of neglect.
      
      And they were still doing it well into their second term.
      
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      December 19, 2024 10:30am
      - Hollyfield
        
        And a couple of weeks ago when this was pointed out to Chris Hipkins he had the gall to say “oh I don’t think that is true”.
        Even leading up the election they were all saying it.
        
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        December 19, 2024 2:36pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    With our short 3 year terms govts have to do the hard stuff in the first year This govt failed completely to cut the public sector down to size and have left all the other tough love undone as well. As it stands they are merely a govt of managed decline
    
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    December 19, 2024 10:00am
  - lifesgood
    
    Fffft! Jacindamania…as if! I know full well that Luxon isn’t perfect and has a way to go but he has already done some good things…..all I’m saying is.just give the man a chance before completely writing him off as some on here do.
    
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    December 19, 2024 12:07pm
  - Graeme Hall
    
    An economy like ours can be fixed in a year. Even Argentina that has been a basket case as far back as the 1960’s can get to surplus in a year from a far worse starting point. The method to create wealth by letting the market function has been well known since the 1980’s & replicated by a number of countries.
    
    NZ requires a Govt with a bit more determination to cut spending, reduce regulation, & minimise waste. We also need leaders willing to do more than talk & less addicted to staying in power.
    
    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/17/economy/argentina-exits-recession-milei-intl/index.html
    
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    December 19, 2024 2:12pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Regardless of whether you like this government or not, at least you get the feeling they won’t have to triumphantly announce a ‘Year of Delivery’ next year…
  
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  December 19, 2024 8:50am
  - plc
    
    Yeah….but Covid
    
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    December 19, 2024 1:49pm
- Mark Hanley
  
  Although I don’t agree with Luxons opposition to the TOW principles bill I’m hoping Luxon is playing the long game.
  
  Here’s my reply to Damiem Grant’s nonsensical Luxon critique.
  
  I’m beginning to wonder whether all NZ political commentators and reporters are deaf.
  
  Every time Luxon stands in Front of NZ reporters responding to mindless, repetitive “can’t quite get ya” questions, he repeats his vision for NZ.
  
  Rebuilding the economy
  Restoring law & order
  Improving our schools & healthcare
  
  All politicians should be “disinterested in re-engineering our public services”. A quick check of the Cambridge dIctionary will help you understand why.
  
  And last but not least, drastically reducing spending and tackling debt whilst in the middle of an economic downturn was the cause of the great depression. I prefer Nationals “steady as she goes” plan to restore the surplus in 2028.
  
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  December 19, 2024 8:55am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    At least there is a plan, Lsbour were simply going to just keep borrowing, even Willis repeated in the house what Edmonds said in the media this week, she said I can’t see what the problem is with borrowing much more, and she wants to be finance minister in a tax and spend governments, what could possibly go wrong
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:55am
  - Damocles11
    
    There was nothing nonsensical about Damien Grant’s column, quite the opposite in fact. National are not getting government spending down, government spending is increasing. You represent an establishment viewpoint, you want National to row the boat in circles (‘steady as she goes’) while we all collectively pray for a miracle.
    
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    December 19, 2024 10:17am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      People with plans avoid circles.
      
      I have never seen a more purposeful and transparent government. When have you ever seen quarterly government action plans which are reported on at the end of each quarter?
      
      Luxon appreciates the damage smash and grab finance ministers cause. A large reduction in spending during a recession would be madness.
      
      Thank goodness we’ve got a clever, ethical, and experienced manager at the helm, and not an “at all costs” free marketeer. Did the concentration of wealth, and hollowing out of middle classes in the 80/90s teach you nothing?
      
      And thanks for the establishment view compliment, which regardless of its accuracy, suggests i have in depth inside knowledge.
      
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      December 19, 2024 10:58am
      - Grunter
        
        Mark – the plan that you are supporting clearly is not working. Go read all the numbers and come back with an argument that logically shows otherwise.
        
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        December 19, 2024 11:59am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Hi Grunter. I agree the numbers look bad but if you read my posts you’ll see mention of the problem with a drastic spending reduction in a recession. Steady as she goes deficit reductions have a greater chance of economic and electoral success.
        
        You’ve also got to consider mindless NZ voters who will believe Labour’s accusations of an austerity budget, given half a chance.
        
        Like all planning and actions taken by our intelligent, sucessful, experienced, and morally sound PM, spending reduction needs to be done carefully and with a mind to past macro economic lessons.
        
        There are a few kbers who would benefit from a few macro economic lessons, in particular money supply compositon and it’s effect on the economy.
        
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        December 19, 2024 12:55pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    “” drastically reducing spending and tackling debt””
    
    Unfortunately in the real world, this government is NOT drastically reducing spending, the fact is that spending is increasing, as is the National debt.
    https://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/year-end/financial-statements-2024
    
    Facts cannot be denied.
    No matter what you feelz tell you.
    
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    December 19, 2024 5:33pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Since NZ is really in dire shape economically, why not kill two birds with one stone and gut all BS spending ruthlessly. TVNZ gone. RNZ gone. Grants for batshit crazy “research” gone. Ethnic based media, gone. Waitangi Tribunal pared back to it’s original charter. Anything that is not basic services, gone. National needs to stop trying to please destructive lunatics and go in hard.
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:05pm
- Grunter
  
  Cassandra – I down ticked you. I think Luxon (and Willis) are doing a very bad job.
  
  The latest fiscal updates a few days ago show we are borrowing at an increasing rate – even more than Robertson, and he was a far-left Socialist.
  
  Total government bonds issued from 2024 until 2028 is expected to equal $115 billion ($28b + $25b + $28b + $23b +$11b).
  
  That is the current financial plan of this Coalition Government (“the most right-wing Government ever”??) after running the country for 12 months. That is the worst financial performance of any NZ Government on record.
  
  This is an eye-watering amount. The government will never be able to pay back this amount of debt. The interest payments alone will spiral out of control ($12 billion as a minimum per year). The country will be borrowing to pay back existing loans. That is a Ponzi scheme by definition.
  
  Then consider this. In these numbers there is no allowance for a global crisis, or natural disasters. IMO there is a very low chance that this will be the case over the next 5 years.
  
  Again – Luxon, based on the FACTS above, is doing a very bad job – with no sign that they are going to turn these numbers around. In fact they are saying the exact opposite.
  
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  December 19, 2024 8:58am
  - Yabster
    
    yes I also read the down to earth kiwi article – the forecast cashflow is a huge issue due to the debt they will be racking up- talk about living beyond their means- take you own advice you gave local Govt (Luxon/Willis) -do the basics well and scrap all the other crap including numerous unnecessary Ministeries.
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:33am
  - Burtland
    
    McCullock on the topic
    https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/12/professor-robert-macculloch-labour_19.html
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:36am
  - Jethrod
    
    Oh god!, more handwring over the Coalition government. At least the rhetoric is that things will materially improve, but a bit of hardiness is required. You didn’t moan this much when fat boy and Horace were doing their thi g in the last 6 years! Get a grip! Not that thing, yourself!
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:57am
    - Grunter
      
      Jethrod – I’ve clearly triggered you ‘Luxonmania’
      
      I have ALWAYS moaned loudly against the far-left, especially Robertson.
      
      All I, and a few others this morning, have stated is that this Government is spending more and digging the country into even more Debt. That has been their CHOICE over the last 12 months. They could have reduced spending by more. They could have sold Govt owned Assets. All reasonable choices. But instead they choose more Debt. Those are facts.
      
      If you think more Govt Debt is a good thing, then that, IMO, makes you a socialist.
      
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      December 19, 2024 12:04pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We may still be borrowing that’s thanks to labours sky high inflation. Willis stated at that stand up, the governance stripped 23 billion of wasteful spending, so presumably when the economy moves next year then borrowing will be much reduced
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:57am
    - Grunter
      
      G – that is delusional thinking that makes no sense.
      
      What makes you believe the economy will grow faster than what the Treasury numbers are showing – they almost always forecast higher growth than what we actually get. So a very low chance that a spirt of economic growth will reduce borrowing anytime soon. If anything, there are ominous downside risks that aren’t in the Treasury numbers (eg Oil price spikes due to global wars etc).
      
      Inflation is actually helping the numbers balance as it inflates the tax revenue automatically as wages/salaries rise. There is no tax bracket adjustments in these numbers – so in effect we get 5 years of automatic tax increases (unannounced of course)…..but we still spend like drunken sailors that requires $115 Billion in new loans.
      
      [Mod – debate without making it personal]
      
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      December 19, 2024 10:38am
      - Grunter
        
        Treasury are already wrong. The latest GPD figure show we crashed -1% in the last qrt, and -1.1% (revised) in the previous qrt.
        
        Good luck thinking growth is going to save us.
        
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        December 19, 2024 12:07pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They have got rid of everything labour brought in, even the well being bullshit was taken out of councils the other day, trying to rename Petone the other day was scrubbed by the minister, where are all these continuing Labour policies we hear about? And f do ont say the dole and anything like that
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:02am
  - pdm
    
    Not the Taumata Arowai rort which continues although the Mahuta connection seems to have been watered down or maybe even expunged.
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:33am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      If they is the left over from 3 waters, then do some homework, because that was dropped in November
      
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      December 19, 2024 10:00am
  - AitchW
    
    It’s not only Labour’s batchit crazy legislation they have to deal with, it’s a public service apparently hell bent on delaying, ignoring, or sabotaging government policy.
    It’ll take at least 5 years to reverse the damage Ardern, Robertson, Hipkins et al did to this country.
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:48am
- imalwaysright
  
  Cass,
  I agree. I’m optimistic for next year as long as the government don’t fall into the trap of thinking comfortable poverty is an acceptable goal.
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:18am
Maggy Wassilieff

When I had my babies 30+ years ago, it was pretty standard to have 5-7 days stay in maternity hospital.

Then somewhere in the 1990s it became the norm to biff many mothers and babes out of hospital within 12 hours.

For the last couple of decades new mums have been entitled to a 2 night (48 hr) stay in a maternity hospital/birthing clinic….

Now they’ll be entitled to 3 nights’ (72 hour) stay.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2412/S00225/more-support-on-the-way-for-new-mums.htm

I don’t suppose there’ll ever be a move back to a 2 week stay in a Maternity hospital which was pretty standard when my mother gave birth in the 1950s.
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December 19, 2024 8:26am
- cmm
  
  Golly, 2 weeks! But then men were not considered able to help out with messy women’s stuff.
  
  My wife wanted to be out of there ASAP and she only stayed overnight (1991 and 1996). Gone by 9am.
  
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  December 19, 2024 8:35am
  - john1234
    
    Same with us. Couldn’t get out fast enough and that was from the relatively comfortable BirthCare facility!
    
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    December 19, 2024 8:43am
    - AitchW
      
      We were the same. Both kids were healthy, Mum was happy and I was able to stay home and help out.
      Despite the best efforts of the hand wringers to convince us otherwise the vast majority of newborns and mums can go home within 24 hours.
      Some folks like to take the mickey and stay longer for free food and someone to look after the baby, but most like to go home.
      There is a number who need to stay longer for medical reasons and I have no doubt that they can do so.
      
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      December 19, 2024 9:52am
  - Local Miller
    
    Except for our first who was prem and the baby needed to be in the hospital for 7 days before they would discharge mom and baby, the other 3 were zero hours in the hospital.
    Home births are fantastic if you can do them.
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:41am
- john1234
  
  2 weeks for most would be a waste of scarce hospital resources.
  
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  December 19, 2024 8:42am
- alex Masterley
  
  I was born in a maternity home in Christchurch. Mum was an inmate for a couple of weeks after my arrival with a collection of other new mothers.
  It took me a number of years to work out why Mum & Dad were really friendly with what was an odd group of people.
  I am still good friends with the kids born at the same time as me as well.
  
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  December 19, 2024 8:56am
  - Local Miller
    
    Seems a common story from that time. My parent’s best friends were a couple they met when in the maternity hospital when my oldest sister was born. Their daughter is still a close friend with our family and my sister in particular.
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:44am
  - cmm
    
    Biologically it makes a lot of sense.
    
    Nothing turns on a couple’s oxytocin more than childbirth (especially a first child).
    Oxytocin helps build trust, love and strong relationships.
    Therefore it is not at all strange that people going though this experience together are likely to bond.
    
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    December 19, 2024 10:02am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, my Gran once said that a long hospital stay gave the mother a chance to recover before the next pregnancy awaited at home. Despite this it wasn’t uncommon for a ward nurse to find the father attempting to climb into a mother’s bed. The Matron would have been involved and the randy father sent on his way.
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I imagine this is for first baby? My partners mother of her grand kids had the second baby, did the obs and asked to go home and she did
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:04am
- GazzaW
  
  Outstanding news Maggie. You can bet your bottom dollar that little gem will be buried within the depths of the NZ Herald and get no mention at all on either of the TV News channels. Positive news is strictly verboten regarding our health system.
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:05am
- Flossie
  
  My second baby got me 14 days holiday in a small town maternity hospital in 1972. It had been a straightforward delivery and I was perfectly healthy. I just relaxed and enjoyed it knowing I’d be going home to join my 18 month old with the new little one. Lots of cloth nappies and a wringer washing machine awaited!
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:06am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    Pump out another one and those wonderful cloth nappies will be wanted by HIM to clean the car. They were really good for that.
    Dad would put the soiled cloth nappies on the clothes line and high pressure hose them, prior to washing them. No picnics under the clothes line until the youngest was five years old.
    
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    December 19, 2024 10:53am
- graham
  
  My wife had her second baby in the early 90’s and was booted out of Middlemore as quickly as possible. Fortunately she was able to go to some maternity hospital in Papakura (no idea if it still exists). I say “fortunately” because she had difficulties with feeding the second baby which she hadn’t had with the first, causing an enormous amount of anxiety. The staff at Papakura were wonderful and over several days managed to get a smooth routine going.
  
  Babies don’t always operate smoothly and by the book. And this was my wife’s second child.
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:27am
- MCōs
  
  My mother had six kids, including twins, in a space of about five years,
  She wasn’t allowed out of the maternity hospital for ten days, nor could Dad bring any of the other kids to visit. She just wanted to get back home and couldn’t understand what the hold up was.
  Back home she cooked all the meals and washed a mountain of nappies.
  Mum loved having all her kids around the house & a few years later when my youngest sister wandered off to school she sat down and cried.
  
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  December 19, 2024 11:01am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  A friend of my parents had more than 10 kids during the late 50s to the early 70s. The mother used to take a suitcase of books with her to the maternity ward: it was her annual reading catch up.
  
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  December 19, 2024 5:34pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Nice services like two weeks stay in a Maternity hospital as standard require a strong thriving economy to back that up.
  
  Something the loony left seem unable to grasp.
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:14pm
kevn

Meanwhile in the US…
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/they-hate-trump-steve-quayle-fears-nuke-false-flag-keep-him-out-office
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December 19, 2024 8:36am
rouppe

A Calgary KC was stripped of that title after they sent a misogynistic email.

Perhaps Judith Collins can use that as an example to insist Michael Reed KC be stripped of his title after his incident at the Northern Club
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December 19, 2024 8:38am
rouppe

Here’s how it’s done in Scotland, Judith. We must have a similar process.

https://judiciary.scot/docs/librariesprovider3/judiciarydocuments/kings-counsel/the-procedure-for-the-removal-of-the-title-of-king%27s-counseld33cfe3a4b734a45bd810ab7f4ee7cd0.pdf
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December 19, 2024 8:50am
- alwyn.a
  
  I don’t think there is much chance of him losing the KC honorific if we follow the Scottish rules.
  The only reasons they give are that he be sentenced to 12 months imprisonment or that he be disbarred permanently.
  He may have been behaving like an idiot but I don’t think either of those punishments are likely.
  
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  December 19, 2024 10:15am
  - rouppe
    
    I think you’re right, but I see a lot of narrative, including from Judith, that one they have it, a KC can’t lose their silk.
    
    Even if the process were to ultimately end in nothing happening, rattling the KC cage is useful in and of itself.
    
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    December 19, 2024 1:57pm
Scooter

8 months home D for driving drunk and running over and killing a person. There used to be a time when it was at least 6 months disqualified for being over the limit now you can kill someone and get a holiday at home for 8 months. I’m not so sure if it was her All Black father or maybe her ethnic background weighed more in her favour.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/helena-cribb-sentencing-daughter-of-former-all-black-sentenced-to-eight-months-home-detention-over-hit-and-run-death/SQNDQHOMCBBJFCK2CEVDQB6CKA/
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December 19, 2024 9:02am
- pdm
  
  Maybe the Judge is a disciple of Una Jagosh.
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:36am
- Local Miller
  
  This is terrible. Drunk driving, not staying at the scene of the accident, the pedestrian dies, and all she gets is 8 months home D.
  Each of these is a serious crime in their own right!
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:54am
- Local Miller
  
  And the poor grammar. Why do they put an apostrophe at the end of “months”?
  “…eight months’ home detention…”!
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:57am
  - Flossie
    
    A Home Detention of eight months?
    
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    December 19, 2024 10:12am
  - cmm
    
    Local: Where do you want the apostrophe?
    
    If you’re working with something that ends in an s sound, then the apostrophe goes at the end.
    eg.
    The dogs’ barking = the barking of the dogs.
    Charles’ calculator
    
    If you put the apostrophe between them then it is singular:
    
    The dog’s barking = the barking of the dog.
    
    So it would be
    Eight months’ home detention = home detention of eight months.
    One month’s home detention = home detention of one month.
    
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    December 19, 2024 10:51am
    - Local Miller
      
      Why does it need an apostrophe? It’s a simple plural, not a contraction or possessive.
      “One month’s home detention” would be correct as “One month home detention”
      May be you were thinking along these lines: “One month’s homework”, then it would make sense, the homework that is due for one month.
      
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      December 19, 2024 2:39pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I think someone needs to take the schtick out of their arsenal. 😂
    
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    December 19, 2024 9:19pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Seems way too light a sentence to me.
  
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  December 19, 2024 10:12am
Grunter

What I want for Christmas….

I want David Seymour to turn into Javier Milei.

Seymours chainsaw (Ministry of Regulations) finally started this week – slashing regs on the Early Childhood sector (nice, but Yawn…..).

Meanwhile, my ‘Person of the Year’ Javier Milei, he had established a Ministry of Deregulation that has been churning out an average of two deregulations per day, systematically dismantling decades of bureaucratic bloat. He even announced that AFIP—Argentina’s version of the IRD—would be dismantled and replaced with a significantly smaller organization.

On Day 1 he closed down 12 out of 20 Government Agencies and sacked 50,000 public servants (The Blob).

Please Santa – can we have a Javier Milei.
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December 19, 2024 9:16am
- nigel2010
  
  Grunted can he please start with 3 agencies that were never needed, Women’s Affairs, Maori Affairs and Pacific Island Affairs, then afterwards start on the universities and cut ALL arts degrees and focus on real subjects that help create jobs, I bet that will save a couple of billion
  
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  December 19, 2024 12:49pm
artemisia

Global coal demand will hit record in 2024.

New Zealand has an estimated 15 billion tonnes of coal reserves. Plus plenty of belt tightening. Just saying.

https://thewest.com.au/business/coal-demand-to-hit-record-in-2024-global-energy-agency-c-17129364
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December 19, 2024 9:28am
- Grunter
  
  Time to buy shares in Coal miners (not NZ), Uranium Miners, and with global wars and uncertainty on the horizon – Gold Miners.
  
  All the stuff that the world will be short of over the next 10 years.
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:42am
- AitchW
  
  I can hear greenie heads exploding all over the world!! Burn baby, burn!
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:54am
- imalwaysright
  
  NZ must be one of the most naturally blessed countries on earth.
  Unfortunately its full of doom merchants that sit around all day arguing with each other.
  
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  December 19, 2024 10:01am
  - Jack5
    
    Blessed with resources, Imalwaysright — but, but, sitting on the boundary of two tectonic plates, with earthquakes, volcanoes, tidal waves.
    
    Beats complacent boredom, though.
    
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    December 19, 2024 10:25pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Naughty Shane Jones has been naughty because he wanted a lump of coal
  
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  December 19, 2024 10:02am
Skippytony

As a society, we are doomed. On the news this week the Woolston Brass band was playing Christmas Carols in the remains of the cathedral. They, they minister and the news crew were all wearing white hard hats, Hi viz and eye protection.

Safety kabuki at work……
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December 19, 2024 9:28am
- GazzaW
  
  We were doomed the year that the Sallies were ordered off the back of their flat bed trucks thus curtailing their community Christmas carol community visits.
  
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  December 19, 2024 10:52am
  - OlderChas
    
    Participated in that for a few years Gazza. I never, ever heard of a Sally Bandsman falling off a truck. (Mind you – they were all sober!)
    
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    December 19, 2024 11:50am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Should have had ear muffs as well.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  December 19, 2024 5:37pm
Damocles11

RNZ are laughing at us. Thanks Luxon and Goldsmith.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360527528/rnz-accused-splashing-cash-latest-tvnz-cuts-be-confirmed-next-few-days

‘RNZ’s wage bill has grown by $5 million and the number of staff earning more than $100,000 has also grown by 35%.
National’s Vanessa Weenink questioned why bonuses had been paid when RNZ had not met all its targets, but Thompson said the targets had been set very high’.
🤦🏻‍♂️
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December 19, 2024 9:37am
- Burtland
  
  Maorification of RNZ has continued at full pace this year – its almost as if Thompson still thinks that Willies in charge – maybe he is
  
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  December 19, 2024 10:35am
Jack5

The Appeal Court’s approval of the BNZ’s debanking of Gloriavale is explained at interest.co.nz

The court concluded BNZ was within in its legal rights.

But the court doesn’t decide on its moral rights.

If the BNZ a third time in its history needs to be bailed out, may be it will be the Government’s turn to walk away.

https://www.interest.co.nz/banking/131297/minterellisonruddwatts-sarah-salmond-alex-church-explain-what-recent-bnz-v
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December 19, 2024 9:41am
Jethrod

Perhaps if the equation coal reserves vs gold reserves, the money comes out the same….. just easier to get.
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December 19, 2024 10:04am
Swifty

Even more entitlement from a New Zealand Greenie:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/social-justice-campaigner-candidate-jack-brazil-accused-of-burglary-during-dublin-riots-claims-alibi/CPPBBZF2QVETRGAC4MJHNQFTBY/

They just love helping themselves to other people’s belongings don’t they?
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December 19, 2024 10:30am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And still no word on how Jack Brazil managed to get
  shot in his liver last year
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/489274/police-continue-to-investigate-shooting-of-former-green-party-candidate-in-dunedin
  
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  December 19, 2024 11:34am
  - Hollyfield
    
    In related news, https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360528954/kiwi-activist-jack-brazil-who-was-once-shot-charged-burglary-during-riot-dublin
    
    Following a link in the Stuff article to The Guardian, I see it was an anti-immigrant riot by far right protestors. An interesting place for a Greens activist.
    
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    December 19, 2024 3:01pm
    - Philview
      
      A cultural misunderstanding. What we in NZ would understand to be Green Party members shopping, the Irish call looting
      
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      December 19, 2024 5:05pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  “Brazil was granted legal aid after the court heard he was not working nor had any assets”.
  
  Well, natch.
  
  What is it with the Greens & their candidate selection processes!
  
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  December 19, 2024 6:42pm
Swifty

Vote Labour but get Green craziness and Maori Party dodginess, racism and separatism:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/537076/opposition-parties-move-towards-formalising-collaboration

Good god, can you just imagine it?

There’s no way in the world Hipkins will be able to hold that mob together. Clark maybe, but not Hipkins and he’s one of the better ones in the current sorry Labour bunch.

And can you imagine the massive demands from the Maori Party extremists and Green wreckers?

Chilling. Just chilling.
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December 19, 2024 10:47am
Anthony Melchett

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/land-information-new-zealand-declines-proposal-to-change-petones-name-to-pito-one/WR5MUDBJSJC4BOXABNKJWFH2GQ/

Up yours Campbell Barry.

You can’t balance the books, control spending and complete necessary maintenance yet you divert all your energy to virtue signal and change a name for no reason other than to suck up to maoris. What a loser.

This decision alone makes it all worth while.
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December 19, 2024 10:48am
- John Loveridge
  
  I’m personally hoping that some kind of sanity continues and Russell does not become Kororareka.
  
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  December 19, 2024 11:57am
  - MCōs
    
    Russell was Kororareka prior to 1844. The original Russell was 5km away and was the original capital of NZ, but it didn’t take neither as a town or the capital.
    The capital was moved to Auckland and the boundary of the original Russell was extended to include Kororareka.
    Russell was named after Secretary of State for the Colonies, Lord John Russell who probably would have turned down the honour if he’d known it was also called the Hellhole of the Pacific
    Fancy fighting tooth and nail to keep a name like Russell named after some bland uk public servant
    
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    December 19, 2024 12:56pm
    - Jack5
      
      John Russell was more than Cossie’s description of him as a “bland UK public servant.”
      
      Russell was Prime Minister of the UK from 1846 to 1852, and from from 1865 to 1866.
      
      He helped in the repeal of the Corn Laws, thus easing the suffering of Cossie’s ancestors in Ireland.
      
      Russell, as Foreign Secretary of the the Big Power of the day, backed Garibaldi in the unification of Italy, and kept the Prussians from interfering.
      
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      December 19, 2024 10:21pm
- lifesgood
  
  It doesn’t matter what lefty screwballs promoting Maori wonderfulness decide to rename places in NEW ZEALAND they will always be know by what the locals call them. Changing Petone to Pita One was a nonsensical suggestion. Everyone would still call it Petone. Paekak eh?
  
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  December 19, 2024 1:14pm
Matt Long

People are blaming drugs and demons, but to me she just looks like she’s auditioning for the Maori Party Parliamentary team.
https://x.com/kirawontmiss/status/1869120481435226529
And come to think of it, with the Maori Green and Labour honorable members, drugs and demons appear to be a prominent feature.
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December 19, 2024 10:51am
Swifty

Ardern’s, Robertson’s and Hipkins’ legacy:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/360528307/nzs-economy-ranked-almost-last-oecd-comparison-ahead-latest-gdp-numbers

They destroyed our economy in 24-36 months.

Quite some achievement – and as I’ve mentioned for years here, they don’t have the honesty nor integrity to accept even the tiniest share of responsibility for it.

It’s all National’s fault apparently.

The Left will never admit when they’ve done wrong. Their arrogance knows no bounds.
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December 19, 2024 10:53am
- H. Upmann
  
  And frightening to think that the left have a lock on the stupid and brainwashed vote meaning, at this stage, they have a reasonable chance of being voted back in come 2026.
  
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  December 19, 2024 12:16pm
- Burtland
  
  youve left out Craig Renney and Adrian Orr
  
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  December 19, 2024 12:54pm
- kevn
  
  Legacy indeed…
  https://www.downtoearth.kiwi/post/latest-gdp-figures-nz-is-in-recession-its-one-of-world-s-worst-performers-the-incompetent-former
  
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  December 19, 2024 1:02pm
- Master Mariner
  
  As followers in the true Cult sense of Modern Money Theory (MMT) and Critical Race theory ( CRT) sprinkled with indoctrination of the “The Great Reset” and ESG and the destruction of the family unit/values.
  
  I mean really, What else could go wrong ?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk52o-khc-E
  Aleksandr Dugin on freedom beyond liberalism
  
  Best explanation from this guy I can understand. ( Not sure if right interview however).
  
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  December 19, 2024 1:55pm
- NK
  
  No, it’s not National’s “fault”, but there has been a lot of cheerleading of Nicola Willis from National acolytes here. And, only a few weeks ago when interest rates started to drop in line with the OCR drops, Luxon and Willis were quick to jump on social media and shout from the rooftop that their “plan was working”.
  
  Is it working now?
  
  New Zealand’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP) crashed by 1% in the September 2024 quarter, a much larger fall than economists had expected.
  
  The slump came after a revised 1.1% decrease in the June quarter, according to figures released by Stats NZ today.
  
  The previous figure for the June quarter was a fall of just just 0.2%. That puts New Zealand into the deepest recession since the Covid-related slump in 2020.
  
  Kiwibank’s senior economist Mary Jo Vergara said that – excluding Covid – it was the worst six-month period since 1991
  
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  December 19, 2024 4:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gary Judd presents a very clear argument as to why he supports the Treaty Principles Bill

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/gary-judd-kc-submission-on-treaty-principles-bill

It is much more convincing than a raucous war dance.
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December 19, 2024 10:55am
- rouppe
  
  The Crown recognises, and will respect and protect, the rights that the chiefs, hapu and the Māori people had under the Treaty of Waitangi/te Tiriti o Waitangi at the time they signed it.
  
  I disagree with this. Just as we ask, “where are those principles defined”, I ask “where are those rights defined”.
  
  We regularly see “rights-creep”. Housing is now a fundamental human right. No it’s not. It’s a fundamental human need, but it surely isn’t a right.
  
  The number of things that are asserted as being a “right” is expanding at pace. Rawiri Waititi, John Tamahere, and Willie Jackson will demand hair cream was a right in 1840 if they could. And they could with that wording.
  
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  December 19, 2024 2:18pm
  - cmm
    
    The concept of “Maori people” is rather absurd and getting more so every generation.
    
    As I understand it (and I by no means claim to be an expert), there are no 100% Maori left and even 50%-ers are very thin on the ground.
    
    So who exactly are these Maori people?
    
    On the flip side, the non-Maori people are increasingly non-British. Who is the “crown”?
    
    I wasn’t born in NZ. I, and my forefathers, had zero to do with any wrongs (real or trumped up). So am I the “crown” just because I am a tax payer?
    
    All very confusing.
    
    If they sorted this out by saying your share of being a Maori was down to your genetics, then most Maori would end up owing money because they are only a small % Maori. If you don’t do that then how can this ever be “fair”?
    
    A silly question, I suppose, because it is nothing to do with being fair!
    
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    December 19, 2024 3:53pm
    - MCōs
      
      The Crown in the Treaty is the British Crown as there was no universal government in NZ. The British wanted to establish their own system out here by entering into a Treaty with Māori
      There were problems. The New Zealand version of the treaty, written in Māori didn’t match the British version, written in English.
      Furthermore
      Māori weren’t then and aren’t now a monolith, as you know and many iwi either weren’t contacted or refused to sign.
      https://teara.govt.nz/en/te-tiriti-o-waitangi-the-treaty-of-waitangi/print#:~:text=Te%20Tiriti%20o%20Waitangi%20(in,M%C4%81ori%20and%20the%20British%20Crown.
      
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      December 19, 2024 5:38pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Chiefs had the right to make war on their neighbours, knock people on the head & eat them etc.
    
    Are these included in the protected rights?
    
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    December 19, 2024 6:04pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGcgBodh9QQ
CUBA Has Collapsed.
One of Cuba’s common lies regards not being able to get spare parts for maintenance of its power plants. The plants were built by the Russians. There is nothing stopping the Russians from selling parts and maintenance services to the Cubas — except that the Cubans are broke, and they have a history, as you said, of stiffing anyone who gives them a loan.
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December 19, 2024 11:00am
sungsamning

https://redstate.com/wardclark/2024/12/16/winning-donald-trump-softbank-ceo-announce-100-billion-deal-and-100000-american-jobs-n2183268
Donald Trump, SoftBank CEO Announce Huge Deal – and Hundreds of Thousands of American Jobs.
Boy howdy, isn’t it nice to see some real leadership again? Granted, President-elect (I’d argue “Acting President”) Trump isn’t yet seated at the Resolute Desk, but he’s pretty much doing the job. On Monday morning, at Mar-a-Lago (otherwise known as the Southern White House), the President-elect held a free-wheeling presser, and one of the high points of that event was the announcement of a $100 billion investment by the Japanese technology firm SoftBank.
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December 19, 2024 11:00am
Maggy Wassilieff

Well, this clarifies matters…

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2024/12/19/waitangi-forum-no-desire-to-welcome-government-onto-treaty-grounds-in-2025/

Yep, time for politicians to give Waitangi a big miss on their busy summer schedule..
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December 19, 2024 11:08am
- Blog-aholic
  
  That is a definite ‘do not come’ welcome sign…..I would love to see the government say OK we wont come.
  
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  December 19, 2024 11:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I would like to see the Government turn off the money ho$e at Waitangi.
    
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    December 19, 2024 11:38am
  - mandk
    
    It would mean Ministers and their families could do the same as most other NZ families: go to the beach or have friends round for a BBQ in the back yard.
    
    Spending a couple of days at Waitangi must be tedious in the extreme.
    
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    December 19, 2024 11:51am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/537146/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-will-not-attend-waitangi-at-all-next-year
    
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    December 19, 2024 2:46pm
- k1w1
  
  Christ on a bike. It’s all about the korero – super important – until apparently it isn’t and you disagree. Morons.
  
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  December 19, 2024 12:23pm
- cmm
  
  Going to Waitangi is to prostrate yourself in front of Maori nationalism (ie TPM and activists) that is not helping NZ in any way.
  
  The first step to dealing with divisiveness is to stop supporting (by action of $) the people trying to tear us apart.
  
  Going to Waitangi to take abuse sends exactly the wrong message.
  
  Rather tell them to get stuffed until they are ready to be grown ups and have a reasonable conversation like civilised people.
  
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  December 19, 2024 1:38pm
  - rouppe
    
    Even their forebears in 1840 were able to have more respectful dialogue than these people.
    
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    December 19, 2024 2:00pm
    - MCōs
      
      I don’t know because I wasn’t there, but the Māori who signed the treaty probably thought the British were acting in good faith.
      Maybe the British who signed were acting in good faith, but as we know the Crown didn’t keep to its side of what was signed which was probably inevitable
      
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      December 19, 2024 4:44pm
- Jack5
  
  Helen Clark sidestepped the Waitangi circus by attending a treaty day function run by Ngai Tahu on Banks Peninsula.
  
  This was at Onuku Marae, where South Island chiefs signed the treaty. This was 25 years before next month’s ceremonies.
  
  So it might be time for another Waitangi default.
  
  Perhaps this time with a substitution ceremony at the Chatham Islands, marking five years since the settlement with descendants of Moriori, NZ’s other indigenous people.
  
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  December 19, 2024 2:58pm
- sungsamning
  
  Hopefully ACT and or NZF will decline to turn up.
  
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  December 19, 2024 6:05pm
76_special

I see the Herald rapidly turned off the commenting on yet another article praising the Hikoi. At the time I left my comment there were 12ish, majority negative towards article. Now only showing 3…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/haka-hikoi-and-the-empowerment-of-the-kohanga-generation/G436COQ7EZCWPNICTKYYW6JRXY/

I wondered at the word salad and nonsense from the author and then got to “I’m an admirer of English Marxist…” and stopped wondering.
That this ideology continues to have any adherents in the 21C is beyond me.
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December 19, 2024 12:45pm
MCōs

A wise quote to bring out at Christmas
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDj8cTTJwuP/?igsh=YWF5MmMydWh0YTU4
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December 19, 2024 2:04pm
MCōs

A bit of a laugh
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAiSkluODgJ/?igsh=MTFjYnNvbnRtZDVrNA==
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December 19, 2024 2:15pm
Jack5

Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of NZ homes and small businesses have a broadband router that US authorities are investigating as a potential security risk.

In NZ, TP-Link wifi routers have a good reputation for reliability and speed. Two models ae retailing around $94 to $1350.

Many of the posts on Kiwiblog will come to DPF’s site via TP-Link routers, and many more posts will arrive in readers’ computers via them.

The Wall Street Journal reports America’s Commerce, Defense and Justice departments have opened probes into the company, and authorities could ban the sale of TP-Link routers in the US next year.

The newspaper says TP-Link routers don’t appear to be related to China’s alleged breaches of at least eight US telecom firms by a group dubbed Salt Typhoon, but the probes into the company “appear to have picked up momentum in light of those recently discovered intrusions”.

Another Chinese hacker group, Volt Typhoon, seems to have been targeting old routers made by the American firms Cisco Systems and Netgear.

Chinese brothers Zhao Jianjun and Zhao Jiaxing founded TP-Lin in Shenzhen in 1996. Zhao Jianjun is a board member of Shanghai Jiao Tong University. The WSJ reports the university helps conduct cyber operations and cyber research for the Chinese military, according to research from the Centre for Security and Emerging Technology, a “think tank” based at Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service.
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December 19, 2024 2:50pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Some of their routers are quite good candidates for installing OpenWRT onto.
  e.g. the ER605 I use as my home gateway works a treat with OpenWRT.
  
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  December 19, 2024 3:59pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    I heard that certain apps such as TikTok can harvest from other users of a local network even if they don’t have the app. It only takes one user to open the channel.
    
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    December 19, 2024 5:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Whew, what a relief…

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/537146/prime-minister-christopher-luxon-will-not-attend-waitangi-at-all-next-year

and the cherry on top of the cake would be if RNZ and TV One gave Waitangi a miss too.
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December 19, 2024 2:58pm
- cmm
  
  Dreams are free – and so are cherries from the tree in the park.
  
  Of course RNZ and TVOne will be there to get some soundbites about how Luxon is a coward for not showing up etc.
  
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  December 19, 2024 3:41pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Excellent news. Good on Luxon. Te Maori Pati are brassed off that he won’t be there to insult. cmm’s right, the MSM will be all over calling Luxon a coward, but why would anyone go somewhere where they know it will be full on abuse.
    
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    December 19, 2024 4:09pm
- sungsamning
  
  Well done, Chris. I hope ACT and NZF follow suit.
  
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  December 19, 2024 6:08pm
  - MCōs
    
    Peters and Seymour are both going
    
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    December 19, 2024 8:45pm
Chuck Bird

This IDF soldier has a good idea. Send those in Gaze to Syria.

IDF Soldier Finally EXPOSES the TRUTH about Gaza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTkMreSrZH0
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December 19, 2024 3:42pm
- Jack5
  
  Turkey’s Foreign Minister, Hakan Fidan, has been interviewed about Syria on Al Jazeera. He took over the portfolio last year after 13 years as Turkey’s head of intelligence.
  
  Half-Kurdish, Fidan was active in Turkey supporting Syrian rebels against Bashar al-Assad.
  
  A potential successor to Erdogan as President of Turkey, Fidan is fluent in English.
  
  An interesting 27-minute interview about Ankara’s views or plans for Syria, but, warning for Chuck, Fidan’s views on Israel are pro-Palestine:
  
  https://www.aljazeera.com/program/talk-to-al-jazeera/2024/12/18/turkish-fm-on-post-assad-syria-strategy-vs-reality
  
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  December 19, 2024 9:53pm
Inandout

Have had 3 spam emails today saying my car needs registering. There must be fools out there that fall for this.
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December 19, 2024 5:48pm
- Jethrod
  
  I see the emails are sent, in my case, from borta@ heartfoundation new zealand. Have not included the full address. I considered sending an email to the Heart Foundation so they could check who it was on their end, but didn’t.
  The name borta is very nearly aorta.
  
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  December 19, 2024 7:15pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  All from a heart foundation email address. I have emailed them with the senders email name.
  
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  December 19, 2024 7:34pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/360528307/new-zealand-gdp-down-1

National, NZF & ACT came to power last October 2023, just over a year ago.

If the economy is currently in the crap in 2024 it is not due to the existing coalition government: the existing coalition government inherited a country in distress because of the actions of a Labour-led government which had been there for the previous 6 years.

Let us not be distracted by left-wing accusations and insinuations.

Ardern and Hipkins caused this disaster. And Adrian Orr.

Why is this fact not front-and-centre on all news outlets, websites, podcasts, whatever ?
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December 19, 2024 5:50pm
Steve Otto N Shore

In the last quite a few days I have not bothered to comment, let alone post.

The link to “REGISTERED NURSE STANDARDS OF COMPETENCE.” is worth reading.
So here is the link to the Youtube Channel of today’s post from Stop Co-Governance by Julian Batchelor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbQWwbmZnjI
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December 19, 2024 7:32pm
- fernglas
  
  Thanks for that, Steve. And for the link
  
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  December 19, 2024 8:35pm
- Steve Otto N Shore
  
  This has been edited. I have a screenshot.
  
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  December 20, 2024 9:02am
[email protected]

“Whangārei District Council fights fluoridation order with High Court injunction threat”.

GO Whangarei!

I brush my teeth multiple times a day with a Flouride toothpaste. I do not swallow the toothpaste, only apply it to my teeth.

Fluoridation of water means I will have to drink the stuff. Since I try to drink a lot of water it means I would have to drink bottled water to prevent ingestion of excess Flouride that I do not need or want.

The Bill of Rights provides that everyone has the right to refuse medical treatment.
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