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Cassandra

MMR vax rate is 50% for Maori children and 75% for Europeans. According to the Herald (I know, your BS meter has just switched on): Limited healthcare facilities and lack of transport options are barriers for Māori tamariki getting their childhood vaccinations, University of Auckland faculty of medical and health sciences senior lecturer Dr Natalie Netzler said. Health NZ data shows 50.2% of eligible Māori children aged 24 months had received their childhood immunisations, compared to 75.7% of European children in the Bay of Plenty for the three-month period ending December 31, 2024.

Aaccess barriers to vaccination are the lack of healthcare facilities, no transport and cultural issues. I live in the Bay of Plenty. I have some familiarity with Manglish. This is total rapihi. Dr Netzler forgot to add bad parenting, ignorance and laziness.

The sooner woke academics and useless parents wake up to the real world the better for all of us including the tamariki.
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May 28, 2025 8:01am
- artemisia
  
  Is there an inference in the research findings that half of 2 year olds in the area have not seen a health professional since they were 6 weeks old? Maybe their parent has said no to jabs. That, with reasons, would be a useful research finding.
  
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  May 28, 2025 8:10am
  - G152
    
    And the bloodlines…..
    How much is European and how much Maori??
    Do bloodlines affect behaviour?
    
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    May 28, 2025 8:49am
    - Paulus
      
      Not enough non Maori perhaps ?
      
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      May 28, 2025 9:42am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Yes if you have enough ancestry you get special powers and privileges. 1/128th I believe is the cut off point, but you may be able to scrape through if you squint your eyes hard, hang some special-people accoutrements on yourself and “identify” as a true special person (extra points also for spouting anti-colonialism rhetoric). /
      
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      May 28, 2025 8:12pm
  - rjay
    
    Amazing what a Health System reorganisation will do. Prior to DHB disestablishement both demographics were over 80% so it might not be anything to do with cultural tendencies.
    
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    May 28, 2025 8:56am
- cmm
  
  It really always comes down to one thing, and one thing only: lack of caring.
  
  There is no excuse for ignorance. This is really just a symptom of laziness/lack of caring. All the information is readily available.
  
  Lack of transport? BS. They manage to get to KFC and the pokies. If they wanted to they could get their kids to a jab. But that would mean caring about your kids as much as you do for a bucket of chicken.
  
  One way to improve the situation is to stop referring to these children as tamariki. Giving them a different name essentially classifies them differently and gives the impression it is OK to treat them differently.
  
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  May 28, 2025 8:37am
  - john1234
    
    This. If you really can’t get your kids to a jab then you also can’t get yourself to a supply of food and will therefore die of starvation. I don’t think Maori have died of starvation since perhaps pre-colonisation.
    The reason for this low jab rate is probably a different kind of racism – that of a minority of Maori who want nothing to do with whitey’s medicine.
    
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    May 28, 2025 8:49am
    - Anthony Melchett
      
      ” I don’t think Maori have died of starvation since perhaps pre-colonisation.”
      
      Plenty of sustenance in pauas and cream…
      
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      May 28, 2025 9:14am
    - AitchW
      
      I think it’s simpler than that. “Don’tgiveashitism”, “it’llneverhappentousism, indolence, apathy, stupidity, peer pressure, take your pick.
      Teen mum just living week to week on the DPB and lurching from baby dady to baby daddy.
      These kids have next to no chance of growing up with any sort of aspiration. And no amount of aroha or wap round services or money will fix it.
      
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      May 28, 2025 9:17am
      - artemisia
        
        Teen parents – all?, most? some? – are on the Young Parent Payment benefit. That is supposed to provide guidance and incentives in areas of health, education and money management. It was originally a social investment initiative, and still exists, though in what form I am unsure.
        
        There were anecdotal stories about the scheme being less resourced under the previous government.
        
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        May 28, 2025 9:57am
    - Jigsaw
      
      Well for the last 40 years at least we have state funded Maori immersion schools that cultivate a ‘hate whitey’ attitude (as well as historical myths) – what do you expect when we pay to indoctrinate – we get indoctrination!
      
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      May 28, 2025 1:32pm
      - Paulus
        
        Have never heard of the Young Parent Payment benefit !
        Another hidden handout for younger sex.
        
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        May 28, 2025 2:55pm
  - greybeard
    
    I agree about the transport issue: you can fit a lot of kids into just one black Ranger ute.
    
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    May 28, 2025 9:34am
  - Fedup oldie
    
    A Principal of a school I taught at a number of years ago was asked by ERO why the Maori students were performing so well in exams.
    His response was “because we treat them the same as all the other students “
    Simple really.
    
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    May 28, 2025 11:48am
- Tomtoddy
  
  @Cass. Tamahere’s outfit got millions to chase Māori to get vaccinated. They arrived and set up several times on an area of open land near here with new tents, new vehicles, computers, posters, signs, flags, dozens of people in med gear, to attract people to get the jab.
  
  We have a very low Māori population where we are so I imagine heavier populated areas got wall to wall treatment.
  
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  May 28, 2025 9:41am
  - imalwaysright
    
    What about training teachers to give the jabs?
    
    Remember the covid scam where thousands of people off the street were given minimal training and deployed to administer an untested drug to uninformed frightened citizens.
    
    Anything would be better than that.
    
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    May 28, 2025 9:58am
    - MCōs
      
      People “off the street” could not qualify as provisionally authorised vaccinators
      They had to be healthcare professionals such as pharmacists
      
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      May 28, 2025 10:42am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Not necessarily.
        A fully trained vaccinator had to be on site, but the actual vaccinators could be anyone who had taken a brief course.
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018803649/needles-in-simulation-arms-for-covid-19-vaccination-training
        
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        May 28, 2025 11:09am
      - OlderChas
        
        Took my clinic nurse about 5 mins to ‘train’ me how to give myself an injection (which I now do daily).
        
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        May 28, 2025 11:34am
      - Ghost
        
        And did she train you with how to deal with a patient going into Anaphylactic shock
        
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        May 28, 2025 11:52am
    - cmm
      
      “What about training teachers to give the jabs?”
      
      Ok, I like to put the boot into teachers’ but they seem to be the default people chosen to fix all society’s ills.
      
      Kids need a socail worker? Oh, the teachers will do that.
      Feed them? Make that a school problem.
      Girls need tampons? Teacher will sort it out.
      Now doing all the jabs…
      
      Bullshit! Stop this nonsense. Parents need to step up and start parenting!
      
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      May 28, 2025 12:45pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Same here, and same opinion of some teachers.
        My point is that the problem is stated that difficult access to health services is why kids don’t get vaxxed.
        
        If jabs were able to be given in school then this wouldn’t be a problem.
        For a one off, or an annual jab, for children, then at the school is the obvious place to do it.
        
        Schools are effective (?) because many pupils come to a place with a teacher.
        
        Why not use that model to vaccinate?
        
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        May 28, 2025 1:01pm
    - Ghost
      
      Vaccines were given in high school when I was there. The district nurse would come in and do it. I preferred to go to the dr for mine.
      
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      May 28, 2025 1:25pm
    - Jigsaw
      
      Extremely bad idea ! – not only were the vaccinators giving the jab, they were also supposed to inform the recipients – something that they often did extremely poorly. Even worse to have untrained people who are trained in another area.
      
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      May 28, 2025 1:36pm
    - Paulus
      
      Teachers would not be allowed by their Unions to do such a thing.
      Not Teaching, and not enough pay first.
      
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      May 28, 2025 2:57pm
- gravedodger
  
  Of course such a truck and trailer of BS does not have any analysis of who and or what is a “Maori” does it?.
  
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  May 28, 2025 10:26am
- Northshoredoc
  
  This is shameful.
  
  There are parts of the world where families will travel for hours to ensure their children are vaccinated.
  
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  May 28, 2025 10:46am
- rouppe
  
  Limited healthcare facilities and lack of transport options are barriers for Māori tamariki getting their childhood vaccinations,
  
  Which is patent bollocks. Those starts were taken from one region. The healthcare facilities in that region are what they are, Maori or not. So the disparity cannot be attributed to that.
  
  Transport, maybe. But I seriously doubt that any given person doesn’t know someone with a car. The marae could step in for “their people” and help facilitate something.
  
  It’s just more left wing beat up
  
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  May 28, 2025 3:59pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Stuff, RNZ & TVNZ all lead this story “a proposal … to remove 84 jobs, primarily affecting women”.

These are back office jobs. Not one of the stories highlight that women dominate the easy, 9-5 admin roles. They don’t comment on the explosive growth in public sector back office roles during the Ardern years. And, they don’t comment on why these roles are not needed. Nope, the story is framed around women losing jobs.

I don’t recall the same narrative when the Winstones timber processing plant, the Timaru freezing works or the Marsden Point refinery closed down. But then, a servo pie says that most of those lost jobs were held by men.

http://www.1news.co.nz/2025/05/27/doc-proposes-cutting-84-jobs-primarily-affecting-women/
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May 28, 2025 8:02am
- Dougal10
  
  I know someone with one of these jobs , the affected workers all know the jobs were govt make work schemes , in reality the jobs can easily be done by other doc workers but the outdoorsy types dont like doing mundane computer research .
  
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  May 28, 2025 9:06am
- AitchW
  
  A story on Hosking this morning, a private, govt backed, company is about to start doing building consents.
  I’m amazed that the Labour hacks haven’t started complaining about job losses in councils as a result.
  Then again, it was at 7.15 this morning, perhaps they were still asleep..
  
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  May 28, 2025 9:26am
  - Mike
    
    Private consenting authorities were mooted in the 1990s deregulation, but none of them could get insurance cover for the ongoing liabilities. Does ‘government-backed” mean the taxpayers will pick up the bill for this company’s mistakes?
    
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    May 28, 2025 11:26am
    - Gussy Fink-Nottle
      
      Building Act allows for this, but, as you say, there have been no takers.
      Worth a closer look at any liability limits, and Government underwriting.
      
      We live in hope, Mike.
      Perhaps one day, we’ll be able to pick up the phone and actually talk to a Building Control Officer! (and maybe even get a consent in the mandated timeframe).
      
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      May 28, 2025 11:49am
    - cmm
      
      “Does ‘government-backed” mean the taxpayers will pick up the bill for this company’s mistakes?”
      
      Every structural engineering company has insurance.
      
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      May 28, 2025 12:47pm
      - Mike
        
        No one would insure against the sort of risks councils bore for the leaky homes saga.
        
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        May 28, 2025 1:17pm
      - rouppe
        
        The council only bore the risk because the people who actually built the leaky houses liquidated their building companies to avoid responsibility.
        
        It’s far too easy for shonky people to avoid their responsibility
        
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        May 28, 2025 4:10pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They might be getting ready to knife Hipkins to appease Peters
    
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    May 28, 2025 11:33am
David Garrett

Good morning from the Kingdom…lovely morning here with a temp of a balmy 24C.
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May 28, 2025 8:04am
- Ghost
  
  It was 38C here, then I got out of the spa pool and now it’s back to a nice 7c
  
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  May 28, 2025 9:19am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Nice. Just about nothing more pleasant than sitting in a spa pool surrounded by a winter landscape.
    
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    May 28, 2025 12:10pm
Chuck Bird

This something Luxon should read but he won’t.

Restoring the Gold Standard to Science

https://myemail.constantcontact.com/Restoring-Gold-Standard-Science.html?soid=1101509381788&aid=5naS_ByTj-s
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May 28, 2025 8:05am
- Master Mariner
  
  Interestingly Trump is also targeting NOAA ( And fired most of the “Climate Scientists”. This is where NIWA garnish all these fear mongering terms etc.
  
  However the Term “Gold Standard” will be forever tarnished due to its over use during the “Great” Pandemic.
  
  Section 3, From the link.
  Sec. 3. Restoring Gold Standard Science. (a) Within 30 days of the date of this order, the Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP Director) shall, in consultation with the heads of relevant agencies, issue guidance for agencies on implementation of “Gold Standard Science” in the conduct and management of their respective scientific activities. For the purposes of this order, Gold Standard Science means science conducted in a manner that is:
  (i) reproducible;
  (ii) transparent;
  (iii) communicative of error and uncertainty;
  (iv) collaborative and interdisciplinary;
  (v) skeptical of its findings and assumptions;
  (vi) structured for falsifiability of hypotheses;
  (vii) subject to unbiased peer review;
  (viii) accepting of negative results as positive outcomes; and
  (ix) without conflicts of interest.
  
  What is there not too like.
  Back to Basics.
  
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  May 28, 2025 8:50am
  - NoFax
    
    Without results being reproducible, then it isn’t science, and that’s a real problem with a lot of research today.
    Also, publishing negative results is also a good thing – scientists need to get credit for trying something and it not working out. Right now, it is not unheard of for scientists to lie as positive results get published and funding.
    
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    May 28, 2025 9:13am
    - imalwaysright
      
      I think it was Eric Weinstein who said there are scientists who are plugging their desired conclusion into AI and asking it to design an experiment that proves their conclusion.
      
      Probably a useful tool to help design an experiment, but it seems some of them omitted the actual experiments.
      
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      May 28, 2025 10:08am
  - Local Miller
    
    That’s going to blow the mind of every evolutionary scientist.
    
    Evolution:
    (i) reproducible; – No
    (iii) communicative of error and uncertainty; – No
    (v) skeptical of its findings and assumptions; – No
    (vi) structured for falsifiability of hypotheses; – No
    (vii) subject to unbiased peer review; – No
    (viii) accepting of negative results as positive outcomes; – No and
    (ix) without conflicts of interest. – No
    
    And I’m not to sure about Transparent either.
    
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    May 28, 2025 11:02am
    - Jigsaw
      
      Evolution is a theory.
      
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      May 28, 2025 1:39pm
      - JohnRidd
        
        Not so, Jigsaw.
        
        You are making a common mistake. It is an understandable mistake as evolution is not taught well in our schools.
        
        Evolution is a process.
        
        Evolutionary Theory is how we attempt to explain why the process occurs.
        
        Natural historians in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries worked out by examining fossils that life on Earth has changed over time. They did not know why it happened, but they named the process “Evolution”. Darwin did not discover evolution. He came up with an explanation as to why it happened.
        
        The word theory is used in two different ways. Sometimes it means hypothesis, but in the case of Evolutionary Theory, with a capital T, it refers to our understanding of the subject.
        
        Physicists use Gravitational Theory to try to explain gravity, but no one says, gravity is only a theory.
        
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        May 28, 2025 3:15pm
    - rouppe
      
      Evolution:
      (i) reproducible; – No humans reproduce all the time, producing offspring with different skills
      (iii) communicative of error and uncertainty; – No we see the error with those who participate in run it straight
      (v) skeptical of its findings and assumptions; – No I’m pretty sceptical of parts of the human race
      (vi) structured for falsifiability of hypotheses; – No
      (vii) subject to unbiased peer review; – No We can all see the results of run it straight
      (viii) accepting of negative results as positive outcomes; – No those results are pretty negative, which validates that evolution isn’t even
      (ix) without conflicts of interest. – No got me there
      
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      May 28, 2025 4:19pm
- Master Mariner
  
  He should read and follow up on this, Where is NZ autopsy reports during Covid ?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JyzTAmPXcw
  
  ‘COVID vaccines caused 74% deaths’: Dr. Peter McCullough shocks Senate with bombshell claim
  
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  May 28, 2025 9:51am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Master
    You may recall the amendment to the Coroners act late ’22 that allowed deaths to be recorded as “unascertained natural causes”.
    
    This seems to have been intended to put covid jab deaths into a generic category that would be very difficult, if not impossible, to search.
    
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    May 28, 2025 10:29am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Thanks , I was not aware.
      The one that stands out to me was the fact you were not fully vaccinated till AFTER 2 weeks of the second vaccine.
      Plenty of “wriggle” room there to “murky the waters”.//
      
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      May 28, 2025 11:52am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Yep, you weren’t considered shot in the head, or stabbed, until two weeks later.
        If you died in the meantime, it was natural causes !
        Or as they put it:
        “unascertained natural causes”
        
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        May 28, 2025 12:21pm
peterwn

“Tech entrepreneur calls for electricity sector shakeup”
When I saw the headline I immediately guessed who it was. Rod Drury has spoken on this previously with respect to data centres. He and his interests seem to want to get into the data centre business which consume vast quantities of power. And of course data centres operate 24/7 so there is not much scope for reducing demand when supply is tight, unlike NZ Aluminium Smelters can. He no doubt recognises that he can purchase power at a low spot price most of the time but the high spot price periods are the ‘killer’. Similar to Electric Kiwi and its ilk, but Rod at recognised the issue early on. Data centres contract for their power well in advance and while the cost is significant above the ‘most of the time’ spot price, the supplier will honour the contract even when the spot price goes through the roof. But Rod seems to think he should be able to get power cheaper than that. So he proposes an industry ‘shake up’.
Arguably what he is effectively asking for is ‘someone else’ to subsidise or underwrite the cheap power he wants. This is would be either Central Government or the consumer base at large. While a few more economies could be achieved or profit margins trimmed, this would not be nearly enough to lower power prices significantly. Also if profit margins are pushed down by decree or by inducing cut-throat competition then the financial markets will stop investing in power generation.
Rod is also confused about the nature of the industry. For example he proposes that the Gentailers should be split just as Telecon was split into Chorus and Spark. However Chorus is not equivalent to the generators, Chorus is more like Transpower since both provide a ‘common carrier’ type service. There is no equivalent to generators in a telecommunications network. Users of telecommunications networks put data in and take data out (at least the data intended for them).
See:
https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/tech-entrepreneur-calls-electricity-sector-shakeup (not paywalled)
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May 28, 2025 8:08am
- cmm
  
  “And of course data centres operate 24/7”
  
  It depends what they are doing. AI data centres can run at different speeds to reduce the load at peak times, but doing so means that the extremely expensive hardware is not being fully utilized.
  
  We have a near infinite amount of energy in NZ. We just don’t use it.
  
  Just the coal in Southland alone could provide all our energy needs (including transport) for well over 100 years. To that add hydro, geothermal, …
  
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  May 28, 2025 8:50am
  - peterwn
    
    But someone has to pay to enable that energy to be exploited. Possibly the last time the Government underwrote electricity development was when Manapouri was built. The industry is now mature enough not to require underwriting.
    As far as data centres are concerned, if they can trim demand for some periods, then they can buy a portion of power at spot prices. But they must not overdo it.
    In one of the timber mill cases, Mercury wanted to make very sure the customer knew what the spot price implications were and wanted the customer to sign the power supply agreement at Board level. The customer overdid the spot price bit and when it turned to custard turned around and kicked Mercury in the teeth.
    
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    May 28, 2025 9:09am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “if they can trim demand for some periods”
      
      Third world territory right there and it results in companies eventually doing the big FU, packing up and heading for saner pastures.
      
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      May 28, 2025 8:15pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    In the data centre business, there’s really no such thing as ‘peak times’. These things are hooked up all around the world, and processing load can be passed from data centres in other countries to match supply and demand.
    
    But as has been commented, Rod Drury is simply looking to externalise some of his risk and therefore his cost.
    
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    May 28, 2025 9:21am
    - peterwn
      
      Externalising risk is done through hedging, contracts, etc but that does come at a price. Rod is expecting the taxpayer or other electricity customers to meet hedging costs ie he wants a subsidy.
      
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      May 28, 2025 10:57am
  - Paulus
    
    Southland I am told is nearly all Lignite which is all coal.
    The USA uses it in vast qantities.
    
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    May 28, 2025 9:47am
  - Taieri
    
    Just the coal in Southland alone could provide all our energy needs (including transport) for well over 100 years
    ———–
    
    Indeed. But it would require a very significant investment in processing facilities, which, in the present “climate change-oriented” world is very unlikely to happen.
    
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    May 28, 2025 10:17am
- RoboRob
  
  What you say about Drury might be true but so what? We want growth and entrepreneurship here. If we had cheap electricity we could have a LOT more of it.
  
  We have good communications. We have Ok transport. The third pillar of an economy, cheap and reliable energy, is the thing that is holding us back.
  
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  May 28, 2025 9:58am
  - peterwn
    
    If someone can think of a way of providing cheap energy, then that is fine. But the Government and taxpayer should not be subsidising cheap electricity. Also the electricity generating companies are not Mother Teresa.
    Actually there are two ways of procuring a cheap and plentiful electricity (nuclear and hydro) but there is serious pushback at the idea.
    
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    May 28, 2025 11:01am
    - Local Miller
      
      Nuclear is expensive to implement, and hydro much the same. Besides the rabid anti nuclear stance in NZ, it’s the capital cost that would hold us back.
      
      For hydro, besides the capital cost, the greens (not the party, but all the true green believers) are a big roadblock. When last was a major hydro project approved in NZ?
      
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      May 28, 2025 11:14am
- Poppax8
  
  Rod should put his money where his mouth is: Nuclear power is emerging as a new solution to power data centers.
  
  Data centers house IT architecture such as server racks that store advanced chipsets called graphics processing units (GPU) — a critical piece of infrastructure for AI development.
  
  One drawback of data centers, however, is power consumption. Since GPUs are running sophisticated algorithms around the clock, data centers experience high levels of heat and consume a lot of energy. At the moment, some of the most common pieces of equipment outfitting data centers include air conditioning units, fans, and generators.
  
  While these products work, there are questions about their long-term viability. For this reason, nuclear power is emerging as an alternative and more efficient solution over traditional data center energy solutions.
  
  Just a couple of weeks ago, Microsoft signed a deal with Constellation Energy, and the two companies are looking to restart nuclear power plants on Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania. Shares of Constellation have been surging on the news of this partnership. Naturally, investors are now looking for the next big opportunity at the intersection of AI and nuclear power. explore a little-known nuclear power company called Oklo explore a little-known nuclear power company called Oklo (OKLO 9.99%)
  
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  May 28, 2025 11:41am
  - RoboRob
    
    Rod cant put his money where his mouth is. He would never get a permit for a nuclear reactor in NZ.
    
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    May 28, 2025 1:22pm
artemisia

Public service leaks and leaker is found out. DCM “where appropriate”, according to Sir Brian Roche. If not DCM, why is that appropriate?

Noted in the linked article that recent leaks relate to health, education, treaty principles and rail. All sectors with serious activists.

Bosses in those areas need to first look at how the document management failed, and then undertake some extremely uncomfortable interviews with staff with relevant document access. Followed by public announcements of actions taken wrt the guilty. Or alternatively with the complete failure of the boss to find same.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/562338/crackdown-on-public-service-leaks-is-leaked-to-rnz
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May 28, 2025 8:12am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I have heard of another nefarious scheme amongst the civil service.
  People with an axe to grind gave the Minister of Racing misleading information that required the cancellation of the greyhound racing industry. This will come to light in the upcoming Judicial Review.
  
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  May 28, 2025 8:35am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Much of the greyhound ban started with Robertson as racing minister, they were given a time frame to get their processes in order or face closure, they did not come up to those standards, now the media are trying to suggest Peters had a knee jerk reaction, the work was started long before this government were in place.
    
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    May 28, 2025 8:55am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Some of the bullshit in that article suggesting it’s not fair because some staff don’t agree with the government and it takes their neutrality away is utter bollocks, neutrality means they don’t see either side of any argument, they are not there to have an opinion
  
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  May 28, 2025 8:51am
- RoboRob
  
  When I first heard that Roches memo around leaks had itself been leaked my first thought was ‘I bet Roche leaked it’. I stand by that.
  
  Roche has copped some flack in the media of late and this is great PR for him. What does some faceless bureaucrat have to gain from leaking this memo? What does Roche have to gain?
  
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  May 28, 2025 10:01am
- Local Miller
  
  I wonder if these leakers are aware of how easy it is to track outgoing e-mails. If they are forwarding the e-mail from their work e-mail address, this is logged. They can try hid what they are doing by forwarding to a less obvious address, like their own private e-mail, or a friend, but if they don’t change the subject it will be found. Even if they copy and paste the body into a new e-mail, the content can be found.
  They could maybe work around by copying the e-mail into a different service, like g-mail accessed through a browser, but sooner or later they will find access to private e-mail services blocked through system policies or firewall rules/blocked sites.
  
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  May 28, 2025 11:28am
- Paulus
  
  It will not happen !
  
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  May 28, 2025 3:00pm
Scott

Is the UK a democracy anymore? One of the pillars of a liberal democracy is free speech. If liberals believe in anything it is the right to state their opinion, to speak freely and to associate with others freely.

Well in the UK that’s all going by the board:

“The police are making more than 30 arrests a day over offensive posts on social media and other platforms. Thousands of people are being detained and questioned for sending messages that cause “annoyance”, “inconvenience” or “anxiety” to others via the internet, telephone or mail.”

https://freespeechunion.org/police-make-30-arrests-a-day-for-offensive-online-messages/

When challenged about free speech by the excellent JD Vance, Keir Starmer said this:

‘Well, we’ve had free speech for a very, very long time in the United Kingdom and it will last for a very, very long time. Certainly, we wouldn’t want to reach across US citizens, and we don’t, and that’s absolutely right, but in relation to free speech in the UK I’m very proud of our history there’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14444495/Keir-Starmer-proud-Britain-history-free-speech-clashes-JD-Vance.html

Keir Starmer is in denial. Take the case of Lucy Connelly:

“Lucy Connolly was arrested on 6 August 2024 after calling for “mass deportation now” in an X post on 29 July, which also said hotels housing asylum seekers should be set on fire.
“If that makes me racist so be it,” she wrote.
The post was viewed 310,000 times in the three-and-a-half hours before Connolly deleted it.
She was sentenced to 31 months in prison at Birmingham Crown Court last October, after pleading guilty to a charge of inciting racial hatred.”

https://news.sky.com/story/lucy-connolly-wife-of-former-tory-councillor-loses-appeal-against-sentence-for-racial-hatred-post-13368258

What I would note is that while Lucy’s post was racist and offensive she was emotionally reacting to the killing of 3 little girls at Southport. She calmed down and took her tweet down after 4 hours and has apologised. She has no prior convictions. So essentially she has been sent to jail for the best part of 3 years for one mean tweet!
So in the UK one mean tweet, especially against immigration, will get you sent to jail for 3 years. That can only have a chilling effect on free speech and free expression.

Say the wrong thing, even just once and the police will be at your door. That happens 30 times a day in Britain.
That can’t be right?
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May 28, 2025 8:15am
- Rusty
  
  @Scott, In the UK if you are a Christian and are caught praying in the vicinity of an abortion clinic you can be arrested on the grounds it is hate speech.
  
  There are other incidents of christians being detained for preaching and praying in public.
  
  Can you believe this is happening in the UK?
  
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  May 28, 2025 9:27am
  - imalwaysright
    
    King Charles, the top Christian in Britain was oddly silent when that woman, one of his flock, was persecuted for practising Christianity.
    
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    May 28, 2025 10:42am
    - Ghost
      
      King, as his mother before him remain neutral, so not odd at all.
      
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      May 28, 2025 11:34am
      - imalwaysright
        
        An “operational matter”?
        
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        May 28, 2025 11:45am
  - Scott
    
    Rusty, you are so right. A woman was questioned by the police for silently praying outside an abortion facility. They wanted to know what she was thinking about?
    That is George Orwell 1984 stuff. They want to get inside her head. What are you thinking about? Wrong Think, as Orwell put it.
    
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    May 28, 2025 11:09am
  - Local Miller
    
    This also applies to silent prayer. So you don’t even need to vocalize your prayers, they just need to assert that you were praying!
    
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    May 28, 2025 11:32am
- Bridgenag
  
  German pensioner receives 75-day prison sentence in latest speech crime scandal to hit the Federal Republic
  EUGYPPIUS
  
  https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/german-pensioner-receives-75-day?r=4oxscl&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
  
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  May 28, 2025 9:27am
  - Culture War Criminal
    
    It tells you how subverted Germany is post- WW2 when it is illegal to express pro-German sentiments, drummed into them by their post-war occupiers.
    
    “But, the Nazis” will be the common retort, as if that justifies the fervently anti-German tenor of German society.
    
    There’s a common assumption that the Nazis hoodwinked and brainwashed Germans into supporting them (rather than the clear popularity of their pro-German policies following the similarly anti-German experience of the Weimar period, and influence of their charismatic leader), but is a modern day German population being largely virulently anti-German and ashamed of themselves more indicative of a program of brainwashing and hoodwinking than a population supporting the opposite policies as espoused by the Nazis? I think it clearly is.
    
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    May 28, 2025 2:04pm
- Mike
  
  You think her free speech rights should allow here to advocate arson (and possibly murder)?
  
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  May 28, 2025 11:30am
  - Scott
    
    Mike, no I don’t. What I’m saying is that the sentence is manifestly excessive given the circumstances. One mean tweet, she gets 3 years!
    
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    May 28, 2025 12:19pm
    - Mike
      
      I don’t think it’s excessive for threatening to kill people. I’d be astonished if someone thought such a sentence here (say for threatening to burn the Mangere refugee centre) was too harsh.
      
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      May 28, 2025 2:02pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        If it was a lefty similarly posting sh** (in an irresponsible way, ooooh I don’t know, say over the assassination attempt of a US presidential candidate) I imagine you’d turn a blind eye and/or make light of it. Oh wait, I seem to recall a certain lefty on here doing just that!
        
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        May 28, 2025 8:22pm
      - kiwimike
        
        what a plonker you are !
        If Keir Starmer had released the info quickly and cleanly, incl that he had represents to Southport Killers father in his asylum hearings I am sure people wouldn’t have acted so precipitously.
        
        considering that people have done worse crimes and got less.
        But Keir starmer was driving it and all along he knew everything.
        all the lads troubles with violence and acting out with the people set to “aid” him for years…
        
        years.
        
        no Connoly’s reaction is understandable due to the social conditions then and now.
        
        and when people do start setting fire to the accomodations in frustration at the states incompetence and ignoring them.
        
        you and your ilk will chorus “oh how bad”
        when in actual fact Lack of Justice needs action.
        only thing is Starmer is surrounded by the diplomatic service.
        
        maybe after his stint he’ll do a runner like Jacinda Ardern to overseas sinecure.
        
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        May 29, 2025 11:21pm
- John Loveridge
  
  It’s unbelievable. Yet I bet British shopkeepers have trouble getting the police to respond to shoplifters, just like ours do.
  
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  May 28, 2025 12:14pm
- peterwn
  
  There is a conflict of rights here. Sure anti abortion protesters have a ‘right’ to express themselves outside abortion clinics. However the patients can legally enter the clinic for the procedure. These patients are highly vulnerable at this stage and would be under mental stress. They have a ‘right’ to be able to enter the clinic without being put under pressure by those who choose to be self-appointed sentinals of the clinic door.
  So whose rights should prevail? Protestors do not have the right to loiter at the clinic door, and saying or thinking prayers or carrying bibles does not give them that right.
  Thank goodness at the local hospital the clinic is somewhere deep inside the hospital and the presence of protesters or strangers in the nearby corridors would not be tolerated.
  
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  May 28, 2025 3:07pm
kiwikidsnz

RNZ mumbles it’s way through a lengthy self justification of its conflating public service job cuts, with support from the usual academics.

In the end Willis & Collins spell it out for them.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/562350/how-many-public-sector-jobs-have-really-been-axed
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May 28, 2025 8:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yes, it is an extraordinary bit of data “analysis”.
  
  It seems staff in RNZ are incapable of creating a table with rows indicating:
  *Number of permanent staff in the core public service (Govt Departments)
  *Number of permanent staff in CCOs
  and
  columns indicating :
  * years (2017 , 2023, 2024 …at least).
  
  Then, I might have had a clue as to whether or not RNZ understands the concept of clear and unbiased reporting.
  
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  May 28, 2025 9:50am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC7qbppSIxE
He thinks we’re Stupid.
Change the color of this president, and change the color of the people named in the chant, and we would be hearing a completely different conversation.
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May 28, 2025 8:21am
sungsamning

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2025/05/26/calm-down-conservatives-n2657597
Calm Down, Conservatives.
Many of my fellow America First conservatives need to take a chill pill and calm the hell down. I get the frustration. I get the irritation. We’ve waited decades for justice. We’ve waited decades to use the power granted to us by the American people to reshape this country back into something like it was rather than the gross, formless blob of neo-commie failure it has become.
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May 28, 2025 8:21am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:

At 8.24am, just the one bike today.

A cool, calm, dry morning in the Capital, a chance of rain later, currently ideal for cycling.

Good to see that the press has picked up on this. I await reports that anyone has been held accountable for this fiasco.
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May 28, 2025 8:24am
- I remember when
  
  NMTB:
  Even the details that were used to justify the installation, and expected use figures, for this bike rack.
  
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  May 28, 2025 9:15am
- OlderChas
  
  Look forward to your reports NMTB. So very often just the one bike there. Is it the same bike each time? (Asking seriously!)
  
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  May 28, 2025 11:48am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I can’t say that I pay a lot of attention to the actual bikes (I wouldn’t want to be tagged as a bike spotter!). There was a racy red-orange number that was a regular for awhile, while I have seen at least one cargo bike and another that trailed a drooping flag. E-bikes have been seen also.
    
    Ultimately, it doesn’t matter whether it’s just a handful of cyclists who rotate their bikes, or a larger number that try it once and give up. Value comes from usage, ideally 20+ per workday and a few on weekends. I’ve never seen anything remotely approaching that number.
    
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    May 28, 2025 7:02pm
- Mike
  
  Grey St bike rack report:
  At 11.55 am, just 19 bikes.
  
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  May 28, 2025 12:13pm
  - cmm
    
    That one sounds worth building then, but maybe at $5000 rather than $100k or whatever it cost.
    
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    May 28, 2025 12:52pm
  - pdm
    
    Bollocks – it looks like you have inspired a `copy cat’ reporter.
    
    What is concerning is he/she has a lot more bikes to count.
    
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    May 28, 2025 1:10pm
    - Mike
      
      Why would that be concerning? Surely you wouldn’t want readers to get the mistaken idea that providing infrastructure for cycling is a bad thing.
      
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      May 28, 2025 1:19pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        I’m not disagreeing with you, Mike. On the flat in Grey St is clearly a better location for a bike shed than on the steep Terrace. Blind Freddy can see that. Which is why it’s incomprehensible that the Shell Lane bike rack was built, at the price it was built for, and why I’m demanding accountability from the Council officer who approved the expenditure.
        
        As an aside, you would think that cyclists would happily contribute to meeting the cost of parking their vehicle on public land. Perhaps the $1 per hour for up to $6 per day payable by motorcyclists is a good place to start? It’s sobering to realise that cyclists currently pay exactly nothing extra for the plethora of cycleways, parking and other infrastructure occupying public land, to the exclusion of other road users.
        
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        May 28, 2025 6:55pm
Keith White

And… MedUnsafe:

On May 20, 2025, the New England Journal of Medicine published an article authored by Vinay Prasad, M.D., M.P.H. (FDA/CBER Director), and Martin A. Makary, M.D., M.P.H. (FDA Commissioner) titled “An Evidence-Based Approach to Covid-19 Vaccination.”

The “new” FDA position is it will approve new versions of the vaccine (based on antibody production only) for adults 65 years of age and older as well as for people with one or more risk factors* for severe COVID-19 outcomes.

NOT FOR ALL THE REST.

*These risk factors include medical conditions such as asthma, cancer, chronic kidney disease, heart disease, diabetes, and pregnancy.

FDA now states “healthy younger adults and children outside of these groups are not eligible and vaccine manufacturers will have to conduct clinical trials to demonstrate that the vaccine benefits low-risk groups.”

We told you so – you so-called Sole Sources of Truth.
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May 28, 2025 8:29am
- Bridgenag
  
  Breaking: COVID mRNA Products Removed from CDC Schedule
  Historic Announcement 10:16 AM · May 27, 2025. “Common sense and good science”
  
  https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/breaking-covid-mrna-products-removed?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
  
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  May 28, 2025 9:30am
  - Master Mariner
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhtYy_itiBs
    
    Healthy Children and Pregnant woman removed.
    
    And , @ 3:10 mark
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkKrPnedisg
    
    Eric Schmitt Grills Witness About Her Role On Biden-Era ‘Disinformation Governance Board’
    
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    May 28, 2025 10:48am
    - muzled
      
      That lady looks veeeeeeery veeeeeeery uncomfortable!
      
      Love it!
      
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      May 28, 2025 12:22pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yep, Possum in the head lights.
        As they say Communication is only 20% spoken.
        
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        May 28, 2025 4:01pm
kiwikidsnz

Probably a good thing that no one can find us on the map

Researchers find NZ is the most likely country to survive war, famine or Trump – but forget to put us on the map

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360703494/nz-left-world-map-again
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May 28, 2025 8:39am
- zulumonster
  
  Surely that’s why we are most likely to survive?
  But I call BS – in the event of a major world issue erupting our government (of any stripe) is likely to find a way to make it worse in NZ than many other places in the world …
  
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  May 28, 2025 9:19am
  - Cassandra
    
    No fuel, no medicines, very little food, I’m not too sure that that is survival. It’ll be an apocalypse where a small number of people will emerge traumatised and in 20 generations life will resume.
    
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    May 28, 2025 9:39am
    - Local Miller
      
      Why very little food? We have an excellent agricultural record, exporting much of what we produce. We could survive very well food wise if we just kept some of what we export.
      
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      May 28, 2025 11:43am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Fuel
        
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        May 28, 2025 11:49am
      - OlderChas
        
        But by the time the “major world issue erupts”, won’t most of out food producing land be covered in bloody pine trees?
        
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        May 28, 2025 11:52am
      - Cassandra
        
        How do we get it to the consumer? How do we process it? How do the workers get to the processing site?
        
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        May 28, 2025 4:42pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Yeah, nah. No shortage of firewood, or coal, or basic foodstuffs. As for medicines, rongo Maori will see us right, right? (joke).
      
      Seriously, people in 1925 mozied along quite happily. Sure, the interweb might collapse, a holiday in Fiji will be out of the question and advanced surgery will be limited. On the upside, industrial food will likely disappear and people will have to work more physically. But, that’s a long way from the Dark Ages.
      
      The bigger problem for NZ will be the shiploads of refugees rocking up to Godzone.
      
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      May 28, 2025 7:13pm
- cmm
  
  It is a very sketchy bunch of “research” and splits food into pretty arbitrary groups including fish.
  
  Botswana is not self sufficient in fish. So what? They hardly eat any fish and it is not an important part of their diet. They could survive fine for ten generations without importing a single fish.
  
  So long as we got copious amounts of diesel flowing in we could easily feed ourselves in NZ, but that would probably require converting a large % of export dairy into legumes and grains (eg. lentils and wheat – both of which grow well in Canterbury).
  
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  May 28, 2025 1:00pm
I remember when

Bulgarian death rates fall below pre-COVID levels – but not in the rest of the West: Centrist.
“New data from Bulgaria shows a sharp decline in annual deaths since the COVID pandemic – the opposite of trends seen across the United States, the UK, and Western Europe, where death rates remain stubbornly above pre-2020 levels.
While Bulgaria’s population is older and less healthy on average, it also had one of the lowest COVID vaccination rates in Europe.
Only about 30% received the primary series.
Bulgaria had one of the worst COVID death rates in the world and very low vaccine uptake, yet now has death rates below pre-COVID levels.
That suggests the expected “pull-forward effect” (where many early COVID deaths reduce later death rates) is playing out in Bulgaria, but not in highly vaccinated countries like the US or UK, where deaths remain elevated.
If long COVID or virus-related damage were the main problem, Bulgaria with its severe outbreak and low medical resources, should still be suffering.
Instead Bulgaria is doing better than most.”

Nothing to see here!
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May 28, 2025 9:00am
- Master Mariner
  
  Nothing to see here! ( In NZ ).
  
  That’s the issue, No Transparency, No Data, And absolutely No accountability.
  
  Lives and livelyhoods destroyed, Cost of living crisis with no end in sight.
  
  And the main narrative is what clothes you wear ?
  
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  May 28, 2025 10:57am
cas

Yesterday in town, there was a mobile breast screening van and a mobile Hauora health clinic van. There was no-one that I could see taking advantage of these free opportunities to have health checks.

It’s hard to blame the system when opportunities are available and are just not being taken up.
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May 28, 2025 9:23am
- MCōs
  
  In NZ mammograms are free every two years between the ages of 45 & 69. Were those done outside that ranch by the facility you saw yesterday still free? My wife would be interested to know.
  
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  May 28, 2025 11:05am
  - cas
    
    Yes they were free. Apparently the upper age limit is going up to 74 in October.
    
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    May 28, 2025 11:18am
- AitchW
  
  They need Foodtown and KFC vouchers to get off their bums and look after their own health. Bit like getting their kids vaccinated.
  
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  May 28, 2025 3:10pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/360702730/chinese-electric-car-oddball-name-spotted-testing-auckland

I would be more surprised if a Chinese-made car with a NORMAL sensible name was seen driving around !
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May 28, 2025 9:32am
- MCōs
  
  I don’t care what the car’s called as long as the driver is sensible
  
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  May 28, 2025 11:12am
Bridgenag

Anyone know what has happened to OTTO? Hope he is ok
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May 28, 2025 9:33am
- Ghost
  
  Maybe check the death notices
  
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  May 28, 2025 9:50am
  - Biscuit
    
    Do you ever find a belt below which you won’t hit, Ghost?
    
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    May 28, 2025 10:17am
    - Ghost
      
      One of the last posts that Steve wrote was he had collapsed at a supermarket. He had a few health problems, so I’m not hitting below any belt, it’s a possibility someone should look into
      
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      May 28, 2025 10:30am
- imalwaysright
  
  Tried the Herald death notice site and no sign of Steve.
  That’s good. Maybe he’s having a break.
  https://notices.nzherald.co.nz/nz/obituaries/nzherald-nz/browse
  
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  May 28, 2025 11:21am
  - Jethrod
    
    Was that his true name or a nom-de-plume?
    
    [Mod – it is his name. I have also been checking as his absence is not normal]
    
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    May 28, 2025 12:28pm
    - pdm
      
      Benedict Yu is another missing for a while.
      
      Or has he been sent to purgatory for a lengthy period?
      
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      May 28, 2025 1:14pm
      - MCōs
        
        He explained why he discontinued his comments
        
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        May 28, 2025 1:57pm
    - Jethrod
      
      Thank you.
      
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      May 28, 2025 2:32pm
- Gravelroad
  
  In the last comment on here that I read from Steve O about two months ago, he said he had concussion as the result of an accident.
  
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  May 28, 2025 1:41pm
Yvette

[Labour] must get the support of Te Pati Maori to have a chance at government.
The three parties of the right should and must spend all of election year making clear that a vote for Labour will be a vote for Te Pati Maori to be in Government (and for some of the Greens $88 billion in new taxes).
– kiwiblog host David Farrar, “Winston rules out Hipkins”, 7am post this morning

Hipkins may also have to overcome possible conflict between te Pati Maori and Labour’s own Maori Caucus.
I have wondered, “Was the vast release of “Maorification” in the six years of Labour, due to Ardern/Hipkins voluntary participation the matter, or did the Labour Caucus threaten separation to obtain an agenda.

Has anyone else any other explanation?
And if such an agenda happened once, how likely is it to happen again?
Willie still has the He Puapua 70 hui response tucked away on a shelf where he put it prior the last Election, hoping to resurrect Whankenstein after winning, which didn’t happen, so it is on a slab somewhere … waiting …

It seems odd that Winston or David Seymour have not found it – but maybe not. While David Seymour was been attacked by constitutionalist purists, Willie was sitting on evidence of how far Labour would have twisted the Treaty
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May 28, 2025 9:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Has anyone else any other explanation?
  And if such an agenda happened once, how likely is it to happen again?
  
  My little sniffometer told me that the old alliance of Ratana and Labour broke and political folks shifted their support to TPM especially when Tainui-Waikato-(Ringatu) came onboard.
  
  I don’t think Adrian Rurawhe (Ratana) can command the political support of the Maori Labour faithful anymore.
  
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  May 28, 2025 10:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Bassett has very little regard for TPM leaders:

Modern failure on so many fronts of Maori society points to the worthlessness of their leaders. The continuing damage they inflict on their people by preaching nothing but racial division, victimhood, absurd assertions about the Treaty, and a desire to push Maori, who are all more Pakeha in their ancestry than Maori, into belligerent, ignorant racial separatism is having no positive outcomes. So many things bind us all together. But the likes of Maipi Clarke, Ngarewa Packer and Waiititi refuse to acknowledge them, preferring the pursuit of needless legislation and goals that have “dead end” stamped all over them.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-te-partly-maori-v-commonsense
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May 28, 2025 10:15am
- greybeard
  
  But I notice he still uses the epithet “pakeha”, despite it having dodgy provenance .
  
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  May 28, 2025 11:25am
  - Mike
    
    You have been misinformed.
    
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    May 28, 2025 11:47am
    - greybeard
      
      “Pakeha, which is a Maori term for the white inhabitants of New Zealand, was in vogue even prior to 1815. Its original meaning and origin are obscure, but the following are possible origins, the first being the most probable: From pakepakeha: imaginary beings resembling men.”
      – Te Ara Encyclopedia of NZ
      
      Of course there are many New Zealanders who are neither “maori” or “white”, but they are never mentioned.
      
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      May 28, 2025 3:06pm
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      How so? More information?
      
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      May 28, 2025 6:10pm
    - rouppe
      
      We live in a world where we are expected to unquestioningly observe someone’s preferred pronouns. A behaviour you stridently support.
      
      Well I do not want to be referred to as pakeha. I expect that preference to be observed.
      
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      May 28, 2025 7:29pm
sirknz

Professor Brown (Ngāpuhi, Ngāti Kahu) is in the news again. She found some house designs and notes from a Jewish architect in a box on her desk.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360703162/rosenbergs-taonga-he-escaped-nazis-now-his-plans-maori-homes-found-box

The brownest thing about her is still her last name.

I struggle to understand that if there is actual discrimination against Maori, why are there so many 1%ers out there clinging on to the tiniest shreds of DNA if there is active discrimination against it?
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May 28, 2025 10:27am
- imalwaysright
  
  1% gets them a seat on the gravy train.
  
  The other 99% gets them the blame and the bill.
  
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  May 28, 2025 10:53am
- Sparrow
  
  I had the pleasure of meeting Professor Brown, who was extremely helpful in guiding myself and a young lad around the Uni. She could not have been more helpful. Frankly I am sick and tired of the anti Măori comments found on this site. The TPM do not represent all Māori most just want to get on with life. Discrimination it happens. Yes guilt ridden whites have created more divisions by giving oxygen to radicals who use the idiots. Take a pill and calm down the rhetoric.
  
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  May 28, 2025 11:07am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Why wouldn’t she be helpful?
    
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    May 28, 2025 12:26pm
  - Paulus
    
    It is te media who concentrate on Maori Affairs and the shit stirring along with as there are no actual Maori and very few with any semblance to the so called 16% which remains spurious as that number is hypothetical as it suits.
    
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    May 28, 2025 3:06pm
BeaB

The Herald can’t leave the Budget dress alone and writes a muddled editorial with flawed and adolescent logic. In what journalist’s world is $1100 an expensive dress for a top professional woman? Did they never price what Jacinda wore? Or did they assume they were all freebies? Should Nicola have gone to the local op shop for her dress to show some kind of symbolic solidarity with the Kiwi battlers on Struggle Street? Can’t you buy what you can afford if others can’t? If you do buy ‘our amazing NZ’ designer clothes then you should give an equal amount to a food bank to ‘show some respect’.
What sort of socialist gibberish is this from a supposedly serious newspaper?
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May 28, 2025 11:32am
keepcalmcarryon

Former prime minister Jim Bolger continuing to damage NZ from bed in his retirement I see:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/ex-pm-jim-bolger-on-handling-kidney-failure-david-seymour-and-turning-90/MBU3XZZ2JNA5JDTPCVW2TC2L6Q/
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May 28, 2025 11:43am
- lifesgood
  
  He’s irrelevant. Just a bumbling old man trying to be important again.
  
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  May 28, 2025 11:58am
  - Jethrod
    
    Fortunately we live in a country where we can still state our own view, so not as irrelevant as YOU say!
    
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    May 28, 2025 12:51pm
- Mike
  
  I’m pretty sure National would have won the 1999 election if they hadn’t foolishly dumped Bolger for Shipley.
  
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  May 28, 2025 12:17pm
  - Jethrod
    
    Now ain’t that a bit Auntie Helen? ‘Specailly coming from you!
    
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    May 28, 2025 12:52pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Wotsa matter Mike, you got something against strong female leaders?
    
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    May 28, 2025 8:57pm
- kingerstinger
  
  Won’t be listening to it for much longer, ah well.
  
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  May 28, 2025 2:16pm
- Paulus
  
  [ Mod – you need to stop taking nasty pills and confine your remarks to debating stuff rather than just spraying abuse ]
  
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  May 28, 2025 3:09pm
MCōs

Re suspension of TPM members, I came across this facebook comment today. A bit late, but it’s fairly interesting
Chap’s a bit biased which is a bit unusual on this forum
https://fb.watch/zS7MmRR31Y/?
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May 28, 2025 1:27pm
- rouppe
  
  He’s wearing a Ngapuhi shirt. Biased as ****
  
  One of those groups that don’t pay any tax on their iwi businesses. Then complain they don’t get enough of the tax revenue.
  
  The vote count had not been called. Therefore tpm interrupted the vote, and made threatening gestures to act members.
  
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  May 28, 2025 7:23pm
Gravelroad

https://www.tickaroo.com/e/FWC3dXAWXrZxHzcE
I listened to this interview on newstalkzb this morning with Mr Luxon. He was generally moderate and measured in his views and suggestions on how to improve life in Wellington.
He did say that there was “way too much ideology and party politics” in local government. “Wellington should be more than just a public service town. “
So Mayor Whanau’s automatic response is to deny and deflect.
Pathetic.
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May 28, 2025 1:50pm
- MCōs
  
  The PM obviously spends quite a bit of his time in Wellington, but I wonder how much of it is outside the political bubble.
  
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  May 28, 2025 2:45pm
  - greybeard
    
    I imagine that before he joined the “political bubble” he was very well acquainted with life in Wellington.
    
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    May 28, 2025 3:03pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      That is what he said during the interview.
      Seemed well informed about Wellington – past and present.
      He was moderate in his comments but left the listeners in little doubt that low voter interest and turnout coupled with an over indulgence in party politics were to blame for the city’s lacklustre conditions.
      
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      May 28, 2025 3:45pm
sirknz

Try as I might, I can’t hate the media enough.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-library-lockdown-knife-dropped-near-mums-and-babies-man-arrested/CLA34M4TLNF27LOSC2OQZQKJQU/

Guy drops knife in Te Atatu Library during a parent’s and babies event. Let’s work in Destiny Church to the story.

I keep trying to hate the media more everyday, but it seems as though it is never enough…
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May 28, 2025 2:11pm
- cmm
  
  What a useless article.
  
  Of the photos attached to the article, only one is vaguely relevant – a picture of the front of the building off Google street view. The rest are just stock photos of a cop car and a mother fiddling with her phone while kids are abusing musical instruments.
  
  15 to 20 cm kniife? Pah!
  
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  May 28, 2025 3:55pm
AitchW

[ Mod – not sure what you are debating here ]
Is it like the USA presidential race where you have to choose the less dreadful candidate?
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May 28, 2025 3:40pm
cmm

OCR down. That is going to help the people with a debt-fuelled lifestyle.

Sucks for the fiscally responsible people though. Knocking more off savings rates is going to be a biggie for those trying to do the right thing for retirement.
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May 28, 2025 4:00pm
Graeme Hall

Those, like me, entertained by stories about Sir Bob Jones, should read this short article by Chris Lee giving details & history of Sir Bob’s listed property company. It is sympathetic in parts and critical in parts.

I hadn’t realised Bob Jones bailed out the Labour Party in the 1980’s and as reward negotiated a knighthood for his “contributions” to business.

Thankfully the old rules on the NZX that allowed this crazy stuff have been tightened.

https://www.chrislee.co.nz/taking-stock
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May 28, 2025 4:45pm
Ghost

Well done Tipu, this is a stupid display

A woman has vowed to pick up a controversial “Please Walk on Me” New Zealand flag at an art exhibition each day.

The work, Flagging the Future, 2024, includes a flag displayed on the floor stencilled with the words “Please walk on me”. It has sparked complaints and a heated debate between those offended and those defending artistic expression.

Article
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May 28, 2025 7:46pm
- fernglas
  
  Doesn’t it depend on the viewer’s interpretation? Is it an invitation to trample on the flag as a sign of disrespect for it, or is it the flag pointing out that it has been wrongly trampled on by people, in an evocation of despair?
  
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  May 28, 2025 8:18pm
- H. Upmann
  
  Imagine the uproar if it was a Palestinian flag….
  
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  May 28, 2025 8:20pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Walking on the flag, smearing menstrual blood all over the place, displaying dirty used hospital wound dressings blah blah is just standard fare from many young artist posers. Been doing it for decades. It’s boring, silly and denotes immaturity.
  
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