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Maggy Wassilieff

Does Erica realise the harm she did with her ill-considered outburst?

National must read the room better and understand that most New Zealanders do not want to see the country drift away from democracy and into some form of ethnocracy.

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/07/professor-john-raine-concerned-citizens.html#more
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July 4, 2025 8:05am
- Simon
  
  The Maorification that National are hell bent on isnt going to work out. Special treatment directed at a race will drive a sense of victimhood & entitlement. Its a harmful cocktail of permanent stagnation & ongoing bitterness.
  
  Its core National to turn around 6 or 7% of the population into a trapped cycle of absolute failure.
  
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  July 4, 2025 8:22am
  - Chris R
    
    I am acquainted with a Maori couple who went to Europe to pursue a sport in the 1990s. They have remained there and their children are citizens of France where they have created lives. The couple return for visits every few years (their children can no longer be bothered) and are aghast at the embarrassing levels of corruption in Maori affairs and the circus like behaviour of members of the Maori Party in what passes for our Parliament. They regard whanau members as being still at war with the mythical colonists and of course with themselves. I feel for the couple but understand their revulsion at the conduct of NZ Maoris today.
    
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    July 4, 2025 9:40am
  - Damocles11
    
    National are doing this for one simple reason: the corporates and their culture are rife with Maorification, DEI, and wokeism, and they are in mortal fear that it will be rolled back. The corporates are ‘swim with the tide’, there is no political ideology in a corporate other than the prevailing status quo, which since the last Labour government includes full-on Maorification. Corporate culture is all about following established policies and the diktats of the HR department and management. Look at where Luxon came from, his track record at Air New Zealand, and the Maorification and DEI stuff implemented on his watch when he was there. This is the key to understanding National for all the people feeling betrayed by them. They are following a corporate blueprint on behalf of the corporates.
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:15am
  - Cassandra
    
    I think pdm has got it right. National isn’t that smart. In fact on this issue National is dopey.
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:35am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      There are some smart and competent MPs. Sadly, the MP is not one of them.
      
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      July 4, 2025 10:59am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I meant PM, not MP.
        
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        July 4, 2025 12:19pm
    - kiwimike
      
      No Cass
      It is deliberate, I heard our host at a meeting state that there was a considered group in National and Nationally that believed Maori entitled to 50% and until that changed it couldn’t be undone.
      
      It is what encouraged me to read John Robertson and others to get a different perspective on NZ history.
      
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      July 4, 2025 12:24pm
  - Quail
    
    Agreed Simon, the real bitterness engendered by Nationals continued refusal to support one law for all and their apparent ongoing racism will continue well beyond the next election.
    The reason is that , National is supporting and funding a corporate NZ world that is using the indigenous race card to obtain very substantial taxpayers funding .
    This NZ corporate world is a polyglot of races who are all benefiting from taxpayers funds using the same indigenous card.
    This social structure is now well embedded in NZ
    One country one people is now just a dream
    
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    July 4, 2025 12:02pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      It’s sad, isn’t it? It’s already over. There’s no going back.
      
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      July 4, 2025 1:39pm
- balanced
  
  Erica Stanford has been doing an excellent job with the unpopular, poisoned chalice, education portfolio. Stanfords sweeping detailed education changes will benefit Kiwi kids for generations.
  
  One wonders why Stanford risks her reputation with the treaty nonsense.
  
  My suspicion is National witnessed the huge bump in the polls Brash achieved with his (ill-timed) Kiwi not iwi campaign.
  
  My guess is National are saving
  Goldsmiths “treaty eradication from legislation” for the election.
  
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  July 4, 2025 8:23am
  - Ghost
    
    They’ve been working on on it for a while. The intention is to have it all finished by next election.
    
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    July 4, 2025 9:31am
    - RoboRob
      
      Do you have a link to them saying it will be finished by next election?
      
      I know G posted a while ago that they had removed a total of two references from legislation. Now it seems like they aren’t doing that and are working on some sort of bulk removal.
      
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      July 4, 2025 10:21am
      - Ghost
        
        It was an interview he gave where he said this term
        
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        July 4, 2025 3:45pm
    - rouppe
      
      What does “have it all finished” mean?
      
      Legislation drafted or
      Legislation passed into law?
      
      I suspect the former, where it will languish because they won’t want the noise leading up to the election.
      
      Which means they’ll have effectively done nothing
      
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      July 4, 2025 12:14pm
    - Mod88
      
      Ummm like the Coastal Claims you mean. Legislation passed 6 months ago and……….the Taxpayer gifts $56 million for more Coastal Claims. They’re taking the proverbial and they know it. Next Election, phoooeee.
      
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      July 4, 2025 3:14pm
    - Paulus
      
      Whilst they may offer it at tbe election it will not happen under current National Party.
      
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      July 4, 2025 3:40pm
      - Ghost
        
        The work started last year
        
        https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/10/14/govt-to-change-or-remove-treaty-of-waitangi-provisions-in-28-laws
        
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        July 4, 2025 3:44pm
  - pdm
    
    `My guess is National are saving
    Goldsmiths “treaty eradication from legislation” for the election.`’
    
    My guess is this National Caucus is not that smart.
    
    My opinion is they are scared of the backlash from Maori and therefore do not have the conviction to carry out their election promises on removing Maorification.
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:15am
    - RoboRob
      
      Im with you on that one.
      
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      July 4, 2025 10:19am
    - R
      
      The only Maori who are interested in a backlash are the small activist element, who don’t have the support of the majority, more intelligent Maori; and of course the desperado SOCIALISS craving a lifestyle at someone else’s expense and effort
      
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      July 4, 2025 11:15am
      - balanced
        
        An extraordinarily successful leader of large organisations paired with NZs most successful political party already proved they know how to win an election.
        
        I wonder if the critics could post their own business, electoral, and policy successes so we can judge the veracity of their claims.
        
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        July 4, 2025 1:54pm
    - Damocles11
      
      All the talk of Nationals ‘grand strategy’ seems to be another example of the ‘they are playing 4D chess with everyone’ myth. National have their work cut out for them winning the next election. Should they lose then by 2027 you will see the same scenario play out as has played out in the UK: voters will leave both Labour and National in droves & both parties will become deeply unpopular.
      
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      July 4, 2025 11:58am
    - waikatosinger
      
      Nah. If they even touch that stuff there will be loud screams of racism in the media, which the midwit baby boomers will believe because TV.
      
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      July 4, 2025 7:19pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Then government is supposed to be working for the benefit of the country not saving things for elections. Remember when national promised tax cuts that were scheduled for after the next election. They got defeated and we didn’t get the tax cuts. Thanks.
    
    Want to take a bet that Goldsmiths ‘treaty eradication’ it isn’t complete next year?
    
    *To be clear, I am saying actually removing things, not promising to.
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:19am
  - Paulus
    
    Have expected a more considered approach from Stanford, as understand she is from Dutch heritage, who are excellent at what they do.
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:33am
    - R
      
      Paulus, have you ever met Erica, she is very passionate and dedicated to raising the standard of Education in this country, a much needed calling for the future of NZ
      
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      July 4, 2025 11:18am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Fine but raising standards is completely at odds with promoting Maori religion – freshly invented at that for the most part. If you teach mysticism as an equal alternative to science you are failing the kids. A degree from an NZ university is declining in value already and if they stay on the current path it will be viewed as a complete joke by the societies that value education and are making progress.
        
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        July 4, 2025 1:57pm
  - Scooter
    
    What good is she doing when underneath it all these objectives are written into the bill that school boards must…”give effect to Te Tiriti of Waitangi”.
    
    (i) working to ensure that its plans, policies, and local curriculum reflect local tikanga Māori, mātauranga Māori, and te ao Māori; and
    (ii) taking all reasonable steps to make instruction available in tikanga Māori and te reo Māori; and
    (iii) achieving equitable outcomes for Māori students.
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:37am
  - leoj
    
    Stanford gave herself away when she openly stated that she is good friends with Chloe.
    
    That, my friends, is all you need to know.
    
    Apart from namby-pamby, the Nats don’t know if they are Arthur or Martha.
    
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    July 4, 2025 11:44am
- pdm
  
  Unfortunately Luxon has tunnel vision and National are not listening.
  
  They are going to pay a price for that if they do not change their attitude and respect those that voted them into power. The latest Roy Morgan Poll has them stagnated around 31/32% of the Party Vote – not far from the dreaded below 30% range that sees leaders dumped.
  
  Beware Christopher Luxon – beware. It may be a bit cold for barbecues at the moment but there will be warm bars that will do the job equally well.
  
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  July 4, 2025 8:32am
  - All_on_Red
    
    You mean we should ‘beware’.
    Luxons actions are a reflection of what his Caucus thinks.
    Unless they change, then any leadership change will be just more of the same.
    Nothing will change until ALL of them feel their jobs are under threat.
    You would have thought that seeing what has happened to the Conservatives in the UK would be a wake up call for them but oh no.
    They just carry on.
    
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    July 4, 2025 8:49am
    - Fender
      
      Exactly, Bridges does anybody remember what happened to him and those who came after, complete media shitstorm.
      If someone is to rise it has to be very well planned and supported to work,personally I think it would be an easier sell to start over as a new party
      
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      July 4, 2025 9:19am
    - RoboRob
      
      An interesting point. I have always thought Luxon the lefty of the bunch but the more I think about it, I struggle to identify who the hard right leaning members of Nationals ‘broad chruch’ are.
      
      For the left / progressive section I have
      Luxon
      Standford
      Goldsmith
      Potaka
      
      For center left I have
      Willis
      Collins (and no the nick name Crusher doesn’t make her tough)
      
      Out of the rest I struggle to identfy who the more right wing candidates are, perhaps Lee and Mitchel??
      
      It would be an interesting process to rank the core National party members on a left / right scale as is done in the US with the various Republican conservative ratings.
      
      https://www.thewellnews.com/political-news/cpac-releases-ranking-of-most-conservative-members-of-congress/
      
      https://libertyscore.conservativereview.com/
      https://thefreedomindex.org/report/scorecard-118-1/
      
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      July 4, 2025 9:26am
      - Ghost
        
        Don’t forget to add Old fashioned lefty David Seymour
        
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        July 4, 2025 9:43am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Good article; he does qualify his ‘lefty’ statement. 🙂
        
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        July 4, 2025 10:01am
      - pdm
        
        RR – you seem to have overlooked Simeon Brown who is surely of the right. I would include Chris Penk alongside him.
        
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        July 4, 2025 10:17am
      - RoboRob
        
        @pdm
        
        Thanks
        
        Yes Simeon Brown appears to be pretty solid. Dont know much about Penk.
        
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        July 4, 2025 10:24am
      - waikatosinger
        
        A single Left/Right axis is inadequate to describe current NZ politics. There are really two axes – an economic one and a social one giving rise to four corners in the political boxing ring (or nine sectors if you allow for neutral on each axis).
        
        The economic right wants a small well managed government, low taxes, economic growth and a stable economy.
        
        The economic left wants to grow government, print money and penalise the rich. They want to tax everything, throw money at the poor, destroy capitalism and nationalise the means of production.
        
        The social right believes in law and order, in treating people fairly, and in families, and in individual rights and freedoms.
        
        The social left wants equity, decolonisation, open prison doors, explicit race and gender policies, censorship, indoctrination of children and destruction of the family.
        
        Luxon is not left. He is economically right but socially neutral. He is all about managing government and the economy and he thinks all the social stuff is just a distraction.
        
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        July 4, 2025 7:42pm
      - Jethrod
        
        So where do the outliers all fit in? There are so many of them.
        A good breakdown given though.
        
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        August 4, 2025 3:45pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      “Luxons actions are a reflection of what his Caucus thinks.”
      
      Where is the evidence? A number of National MPs are not impressed with him.
      
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      July 4, 2025 11:01am
      - R
        
        Which ones?
        
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        July 4, 2025 11:20am
      - kiwimike
        
        who Chuck ?
        
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        July 4, 2025 12:50pm
      - Jethrod
        
        Come on put your neck on the block!
        
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        August 4, 2025 3:47pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  I emailed Stanford to protest about section 127(2)(e) and about her recent statements, and I got a reply! But it’s obviously a template response to the deluge of emails she’s deservedly reaped. The email “denies” a couple of things I never accused her of, but completely ignores my objections to the imposition of compulsory maatauranga and tikanga in section 127, and to her apparent belief that equal outcomes for Maori and non-Maori students can be “codified”. Plus there’s some waffle about the government’s commitment to “achievement” – something that I’d assumed would be a given for any government – and she insists “The harmful claims that have been made are demonstrably false”.
  
  Does not inspire confidence.
  
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  July 4, 2025 10:29am
  - RoboRob
    
    “The harmful claims that have been made are demonstrably false”
    
    lol, that’s a long bow. Sure the claim that she added the clause isn’t true, but the claims that she didn’t remove it are 100% accurate. There also is the fact that National fought to keep the clause in the bill when both ACT and NZF wanted it removed. When Nationals own policy at the election was to remove these clauses.
    
    Her excuse that there are lots of other clauses and removing that one wouldn’t have changed anything is totally hollow. She could have removed the other clauses too if she so desired and as promised.
    
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    July 4, 2025 1:37pm
- Paulus
  
  Did I not hear this morning that the wonder Labour one time Minister called Palmer has come out against whatever it is that Seymour is promoting, as an MP he is entitled.
  Was it not that the so called f…wit Palmer must take considerable responsibility that the mess he created ?
  Idiot should STFU.
  
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  July 4, 2025 10:30am
  - Michael Sommerville
    
    The fact that Palmer is against it is a very good reason to support it.
    
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    July 4, 2025 1:01pm
    - jon
      
      Spoton Michael! The list of lefty professors/academics also against Seymour’s Bill is enough to think Seymour has truly got it right.
      
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      July 4, 2025 5:11pm
- Notsofast
  
  It was the worst performance by a minister this term.
  The kids are being lied to about the no debate principle of maori wonderfulness.
  
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  July 4, 2025 11:00am
- R
  
  The coalition government is presently working diligently, to drag the country back from the previous government’s rush towards a Marxist nirvana!
  
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  July 4, 2025 11:10am
  - RoboRob
    
    By increasing the deficit?
    
    By not meaninfully reducing government staffing?
    
    By keeping unafforable and stupid Labour policy (free school lunches and 1 year free Uni as a starter)?
    
    By adopting and promoting stupid labour policy as there own until trump shot them down (electronic media tax bill)?
    
    By expanding working for families and childcare subsidies so that more people are on government benefits?
    
    By blocking the growth of charter schools by providing essentially no funding ($10m)?
    
    Labour is a shit show and screwed the economy. National had a once in a lifetime opportunity to make meaningful change, people were willing and waiting. National chose to tinker. They have done some great things and others that may also be good (RMA changes). But on many major issues, such as our lack of finances, National have chosen to tinker. We had 6% across the board cuts in year 1. No cuts in year two and zero discussion of any further cuts. We are borrowing more then when National came in. In the last budget Nicola increased spending.
    
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    July 4, 2025 1:48pm
- kiwimike
  
  Maggy
  I suspect she is woke and liberal.
  She is blind as she sees the Maori history as told at UNI to be true.
  That will include the lie that Maori are entitled to 50% of everything and co-governance.
  
  This viewpoint is held within the National Party as they have moved away from their origins.
  As it is by Labour, Greens & Te Pati Maori.
  
  Because of that, I consider Erica to be a racist against the other 83% of us in NZ, of which there is a majority like her in Parliament.
  
  She sadly is unable to understand that Maori were disparate tribes, not a nation.
  She doesn’t acknowledge the daily lot of Maori to their pre 1840 colonial barbaric lifestyle.
  
  Their Chiefs did and knowingly ceded Sovereignty to Queen Elizabeth.
  Who certainly did not do “Partnership” with her subjects…
  
  I bet she has never read any of these authors on NZ History or the Breaking Views Blog spot.
  John Robertson, Graham Adams, John Mclean, Bruce Moon, Hugh Barr, Mike Butler, David Round
  
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  July 4, 2025 12:47pm
Simon

Peak NZ Clown Show. They are insane and hate you.

“The government paid almost $30 million towards MethaneSAT which lost contact on 20 June and is believed to be unrecoverable.
New Zealand joined the mission in 2019, hoping to boost science, track farm emissions, and grow our space sector.
The University of Auckland has been waiting to take over the mission control at its new, partly taxpayer-funded Te Pūnaha Ātea Space Institute.”

Is that the trifecta?
• Gross waste of money on a vanity project
• the plan was to harm & hinder farming, (one of NZ’s few producers of genuine goods),
• creating a micky mouse fake govt department.
A bottomless pit of DEI infused uselessness & on-going soft corruption, fraud and waste.
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July 4, 2025 8:09am
- Don Beckett
  
  Methane isn’t the problem – that has been debunked time & time again. For that matter neither is CO2 a problem – it’s a benefit.
  
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  July 4, 2025 10:03am
  - R
    
    Ah ha Donald, you are quoting ‘whyties’ real factual science, not the science based on myth and wishful thinking
    
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    July 4, 2025 11:25am
- imalwaysright
  
  [Mod – give the causal racism a break]
  
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  July 4, 2025 10:12am
Dudley Quaffquaff

As an ardent and devoted fan of President Trump, I’m in an agony of indecision as to whether I should believe, or dismiss as fake news, reports that he is unaware that the budget bill makes substantial cuts to Medicaid. I just can’t see that either option reflects well on him and it’s doing my head in. Whatever shall I do?

https://newrepublic.com/post/197571/republican-tell-trump-medicaid-budget-bill
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July 4, 2025 8:09am
- Don Beckett
  
  Yes, it cuts medicaid to eliminate all the illegal aliens bludging off it.
  
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  July 4, 2025 10:05am
- Taieri
  
  Whatever shall I do?
  ———–
  
  Start to think.
  
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  July 4, 2025 3:48pm
Scott

This came through on Winston’s Facebook page this morning:

“New Zealand First has today introduced a member’s bill which would make it law that government buildings can only display the official flag of New Zealand.

Government buildings are for all New Zealanders and should not be hijacked to force cultural, woke, or divisive political ideology down the throats of others.

This legislation would ban symbols and flags of politically motivated ideology and division from being displayed on government buildings.

New Zealand First believes in one country, one people, one flag.

The “Display of Flags (Government Premises) Bill” would restrict flags being displayed on Crown buildings, local authority properties, and state schools to the official flag of New Zealand. Only in specific circumstances could an officially recognised flag of another country or territory being hosted on official business be displayed.

It would create clear rules: only the New Zealand flag can be displayed and establishes offences for those who display unauthorised flags or fail to enforce compliance.

This is about protecting our national identity, national pride, and keeping our government buildings free from political activism.”

https://www.facebook.com/share/1BrBd736eN/

Good on Winston Peters and NZ First for doing this. I’m hoping we will see less woke flags eg pride, Gaza and Maori sovereignty flags. This is exactly what I voted for. 😎
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July 4, 2025 8:16am
- kowtow
  
  ‘New Zealand First believes in one country, one people, one flag.’
  
  Winston First believes in whatever keeps him at the trough.
  
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  July 4, 2025 9:35am
  - Ghost
    
    Name sounds familiar. Wasn’t he the guy that stood and did nothing when the captain placed an oil and gas ban?
    
    I believe he’s also the guy whose party supported the bill bringing in a woke public service
    
    Smart man, can always find 5% who are gullible enough to believe his bullshit to elect him.
    
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    July 4, 2025 9:41am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Absolutely this. It’s always been the Winston First Party.
      
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      July 4, 2025 11:57am
    - AitchW
      
      Peters is only interested in the baubles. He’s a past master at hitting the political hot buttons.
      In next year’s election he’ll go with the offer that benefits him personally best.
      He is not your friend or mine or anyone else’s.
      
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      July 4, 2025 12:02pm
- MCōs
  
  So if King Charles of a Head of State or PM from some foreign country is visiting their flag can’t be run up on a government building or the Harbour Bridge, for example
  
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  July 4, 2025 9:54am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No.
    
    That is catered for….
    Only in specific circumstances could an officially recognised flag of another country or territory being hosted on official business be displayed.
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:08am
    - MCōs
      
      Yes — I made a mistake there; again!
      
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      July 4, 2025 11:58am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Obviously you never read the full comment.
    
    ” Only in specific circumstances could an officially recognised flag of another country or territory being hosted on official business be displayed.” ( last sentence of 3rd.paragraph – just to help you)
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:08am
  - Nukuleka
    
    King Charles is the Head of State of NZ and thus our flag is his flag, obviously.
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:13am
    - MCōs
      
      Well, no.
      Charles has never been here as King so he doesn’t have a flag as King of New Zealand, but he has been to Australia and Canada where he is also King and he has his own flags, which are distinctive from any other for both countries.
      If he ever fronts up here another one will be used
      
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      July 4, 2025 12:14pm
      - AitchW
        
        What? The Union Jack is the Union Jack. What other flag would be flown on the occasion of King Charles visiting?
        
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        July 4, 2025 1:18pm
      - Ghost
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Flag_for_Australia
        
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        July 4, 2025 1:21pm
      - MCōs
        
        The Union Jack is not the King’s flag. It’s the National Flag of the UK.
        
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        July 4, 2025 1:51pm
- KH
  
  My New Zealand Flag flies proud in the front yard.
  
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  July 4, 2025 9:55am
  - Countrygirl
    
    I still wish the flag referendum had had a different outcome. I really liked the proposed replacement.
    
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    July 4, 2025 4:00pm
    - Jack5
      
      You mean Key’s black pirate flag? The Jolly ~~Roger~~ John?
      
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      July 4, 2025 5:13pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Good on Winston Peters and NZ First for doing this. I’m hoping we will see less woke flags eg pride, Gaza and Maori sovereignty flags. This is exactly what I voted for. 😎
  
  From 2008 via the Wayback Machine, this piece from Danyl McLauchlan on his DimPost blog, still works, Winston in Crisis, as he runs through a tough week for Winston…
  
  New Zealand first leader Winston Peters is under heavy fire after the New Zealand Herald published emails suggesting Peters lied about accepting loans from billionaire Labour Party supporter Owen Glen. How is Winston handling the affair?
  
  For those who don’t want to click the timeline this is how it finishes, because this is always how it finishes with Winston…
  
  Friday 10:30 AM: Recieves report back from Department of Statistics confirming that proportion of New Zealanders with IQ below 90 is still greater than 5%. Laughs heartily. Tells rest of country to go fuck themselves.
  
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- Paulus
  
  The so called Maori Sovereignty flag was taken from the Shipping Line, Shaw Saville Albion, House Flag, I understand.
  
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  July 4, 2025 10:37am
  - kowtow
    
    Isn’t that referred to as the United Tribes flag.
    
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    July 4, 2025 11:30am
  - Cantabrian
    
    Other way around. Shaw Saville adopted it.
    
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    July 4, 2025 12:29pm
- cas
  
  A house in Whakatane had a flag fluttering in the breeze that said Honour the Treaty. It’s now up for sale and guess what. The flag’s not there anymore!!
  
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  July 4, 2025 11:22am
  - Jethrod
    
    What street?
    
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    August 4, 2025 3:53pm
- R
  
  Let’s hope that Winston has included a clause requiring all schools to fly the recognized NZ flag daily, including holidays and weekends.
  
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  July 4, 2025 11:28am
- Master Mariner
  
  Now it’s time to bring them back into schools along with the national anthem.
  
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  July 4, 2025 12:09pm
  - Ehlana
    
    I remember a news item, a great while back now, in which a new principal of country school explained with glee how he had gotten rid of flag raising and anthem singing.
    
    The people who did that believed children should not be indoctrinated into mindless nationalism. But it seems that has been replaced with equally mindless environmentalism, decolonisation and Pride in supposedly innate and immutable personal characteristics like sexual attraction and gender identity.
    
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    July 4, 2025 1:57pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep, It’s symbolic to put NZ and New Zealanders first and foremost regardless of ethnicity and race by simply raising a flag.
      What’s wrong with that?
      
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      July 4, 2025 4:38pm
  - MCōs
    
    A few years ago when my granddaughter was still at preschool we all sat down to watch the ABs play someone and she sang the national anthem, Maori verses and all. She was overcome with patriotic fervour and sang it twice!
    I suspect the kids already sing it without being forced to.
    
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    July 4, 2025 2:26pm
  - Paulus
    
    Teachers will not allow any National Anthem, except a Maori one.
    
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    July 4, 2025 3:46pm
artemisia

Another alleged Whanau Ora issue bubbling up to the surface. Herald, paywalled.

Whanau Ora funds probe: Pasifika Futures’ family ties questioned – Pasifika Futures hired Ah Mau Sports, owned by the CEO’s daughter and son-in-law
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July 4, 2025 8:17am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bit late in the day…
  
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  July 4, 2025 8:49am
- RoboRob
  
  From what I can tell this sort of thing is really common place throughout NZ government, particulary on the Maori side. It is often put down to factors around population size, that there are only so many skilled people with the knowledge in the industry.
  
  In reality it is often a back room mates helping mates scheeme. It has gone too far and is at all levels, with Tamihere / Jackson families at the high end and people like Melanie Shadbolt (of singing to trees rort fame) staffing her oganisation with family and friends in often highly paid made up roles such as ‘photographer’, at the low end.
  
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  July 4, 2025 9:32am
  - pdm
    
    `From what I can tell this sort of thing is really common place throughout NZ government, particulary on the Maori side.’
    
    Sure is – remember the Mahuta 3/5/10/All Waters family dynasty.
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:22am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Pakehas never understand what whanau means, eh.
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:22am
    - Keith White
      
      Oh we understand what it means, very well. We call it out as corrupt nepotism.
      
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      July 4, 2025 4:22pm
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    It’s called corruption, people.
    Use its proper name.
    
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    July 4, 2025 12:09pm
- AitchW
  
  Are we getting to the point where a Royal Commission into Maori corruption is in order? We must be close.
  
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  July 4, 2025 12:03pm
  - Keith White
    
    But wait, it’s not the 1st April!
    
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    July 4, 2025 4:22pm
- kiwi_chileno
  
  Perhaps the Auditor-General should lead all anti-corruption investigations. Agencies have no appetite or capability to investigate corruption. Their investigations are performative – going through the motions (inquiries, reviews, etc). And there’s no punishment of malefactors if corruption is proven.
  
  How Chile deals with corruption: There’s an ongoing corruption investigation into a NGO, founded by a former advisor to the radical leftist President. It’s alleged that the NGO diverted government grants to illegally fund election campaigns for the President’s party. There are also accusations of influence trafficking and misfeasance (public employees and elected officials improperly authorising grants to the NGO). Prosecutors, who have constitutional independence, have been intercepting the calls and messages of defendants and persons of interest for months, plus seizing documents and devices (they also wanted a warrant to tap the President’s phone). Separate to the criminal investigation, the Justice Ministry is dissolving the NGO. The NGO used 70% of it’s income for remuneration and fees, while only 30% was used for actual programmes and projects.
  
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  July 4, 2025 1:53pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:

At 8.23am, null bikes today.

A beautifully calm day in the Capital, mist rising off the hills, harbour like a millpond. It doesn’t get any better than this for biking; cyclists should be fizzing at the thought of it.

But, it’s a Friday in the school holidays. ‘Nuff said.
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- lifesgood
  
  I thought I’d google Shell Lane since I always enjoy your reports and the name conjures up visions of a pretty seaside place. Oh my, it’s a really ugly alley and I’m not sure I’d want to park my bike there if I was returning to it in the dark.
  
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  July 4, 2025 9:42am
  - Nobby2
    
    Looked up Shell Lane on google maps. Where is the bike rack ???
    
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    July 4, 2025 4:10pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      On the right hand side as you look down it from The Terrace.
      
      Hasn’t been there all that long, perhaps the Google car has not passed by recently.
      
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      July 4, 2025 8:12pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Shell Lane is so called because it runs down the side of what was Shell House, formerly the head office of Shell NZ.
    
    It’s a glass curtain building, constructed in 1960. Shell spent good money on it, and it’s a smart example.
    
    http://www.stephenson-turner.com/projects/shell-house
    
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    July 4, 2025 8:16pm
- AitchW
  
  Who, I wonder, in the WCC signed off this white elephant?
  If someone in the real world spent tens of thousands for a facility that is virtually unused they’d be looking for a new job.
  Wellington rate payers really need to man the barricades.
  
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  July 4, 2025 12:05pm
  - marcw
    
    … “tens of thousands” . I wish! Actual cost $563,000.
    
    https://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=163667
    
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    July 4, 2025 3:32pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Are you keeping a record of the bike numbers? Like in a spreadsheet or something, that could be sent to councillors?
  
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  July 4, 2025 1:12pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    I’m more interested in the ratio of e bikes to pedal bikes ?
    Just curious.
    
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    July 4, 2025 4:42pm
Cassandra

“The [Education and Training] bill makes it clear that giving effect to Te Tiriti is essential and key to support student achievement. The bill also makes the requirement that schools are achieving equitable outcomes for Māori students at the top of the list of how schools are required to meet Te Tiriti o Waitangi objective.” Minister of Education Hon Erica Stanford (National).

Is this what National voters want? Saying that it’ll all be sorted out later is cold comfort. ACT and NZF unequivocally oppose this sort of thing. So should the National Party. I look forward to comments by the National supporters/apologists on this blog. Which raises the real question – isn’t it time National nailed its colours to the mast? Surely National can’t broad church this sort of fundamental principle forever.
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July 4, 2025 8:24am
- Nukuleka
  
  I received a somewhat petulant cut and paste response from Erica when I wrote to express my concern. She talks about lifting educational standards overall which is commendable but is merely deflecting from the concerns that so many coalition supporters have regarding the embedded Treaty ‘requirements’. She is tone deaf when she hurls back at her critics ‘misinformation’ and ‘disinformation’. We aren’t fooled, Erica. Listen to National supporters for heaven’s sake. TPM and the Greens may applaud your stance but they’ll never give you their votes
  
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  July 4, 2025 8:34am
  - Cassandra
    
    And that’s the paradox, isn’t it? Imposing a Maori perspective (is there such a thing?) on all schools is opposed by the right and supported by the left. You can’t be in the middle of the road on this issue.
    
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    July 4, 2025 8:48am
    - Fender
      
      Also leaves easy soundbite holes for Winston to fill, Why is he the only one remotely Trump like that can read a room and use it to his advantage. National strategy is beyond my comprehension, who advises them and how much are they paying because that seems to be the No.1 issue to their problems. It could all so easily be turned if they got ahead of the game. don’t play with hostile media etc.
      
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      July 4, 2025 9:29am
    - R
      
      The AIM of the Stanford bill is to ensure that all students, including Maori attain a much higher level of education than has been the case since the introduction of ‘Tomorrow’s Schools in ‘ by Lange.
      
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      July 4, 2025 11:34am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Ah yes, the classic ploy to shut down debate amongst the peasantry is to claim that we are dumb enough to be unduly influenced by “misinformation” and “disinformation”.
    It is the job of political electeds to ensure policy information is accurate, clear and able to be understood by the electorate.
    Disparaging and blaming citizens for not buying into poorly drafted policy and spin doesn’t work anymore.
    
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    July 4, 2025 8:58am
    - John Loveridge
      
      Most peasants are, Gravelroad. That is the big problem.
      
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      July 4, 2025 1:13pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    You put it so well. I’m reminded of Todd Muller hiding his MAGA hat to appease an Islamist accuser. Did he really imagine she was ever going to vote for him?
    
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    July 4, 2025 12:47pm
- Philview
  
  ACT and NZ First ‘oppose’ but it is still in there. David Seymour says he is powerless and Winston Peters says it will be removed in the big review. When is the review happening, after the next election?
  
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  July 4, 2025 8:46am
  - RoboRob
    
    Yes. As I have being saying for the last few weeks, the review will not complete this term. I am willing to put serious money on that.
    
    Luxon has just announced the quaters ‘goals’ and completing the review isn’t one of them. If it does not complete this year it will not complete as it is far to risky to do it in an election year. National knows this better then we do. The only hope, and it is a looooong bow, is that they are planning to release it just before the Christmas break. However with Luxon and Stanford using it as cover for not doing what they promised, its highly likely they have no plans for the review to complete.
    
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    July 4, 2025 9:39am
  - Ghost
    
    The review has been going on since last year and is due to be completed before next year’s election
    
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    July 4, 2025 9:45am
    - RoboRob
      
      So you would be willing to take my bet?
      
      $100 that the removal of all references to the Treaty of Waitangi (principles etc), including section 127, are NOT removed from non treaty related legislation prior to the next election.
      
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      July 4, 2025 1:56pm
      - Ghost
        
        Pass, I don’t gamble. Nor do I care enough about this to take up gambling.
        
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        July 4, 2025 3:47pm
    - Paulus
      
      Mucho review but no Actione !
      Ardern was the expert, remember.
      
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      July 4, 2025 3:49pm
- CJames
  
  I wrote to my local MP (Louise Upton about the policy and got back a reply that answered a totally different question. Didn’t address my concerns or question at all. One gets the feeling it is almost as if they don’t want to talk about it.
  
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  July 4, 2025 8:51am
  - RoboRob
    
    They have people following the blogs, they know what a portion of the voter base thinks. As a response they released the ‘tough on crime’ stuff as a distractor but it turns out thats just toothless virtue signalling too.
    
    I am guessing their logic is that people like us, who are frustrated, will vote for them regardless as we would never vote Lab / Green or TPM and a vote for Act is a vote for National anyway. I think thats a dangerous assumption.
    
    With Act and NZF close to 20% support in the latest Roy Morgan poll, and National on ~32%, it wouldn’t take much for Act and NZF to become major players with National of Labour as support parties. If they dont think that could ever happen they should take a look at what happened to the water melon Tories in the UK and the Reform party.
    
    [Mod – just debate the topics]
    
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    July 4, 2025 9:45am
- rouppe
  
  The thing that winds me up is that on one hand we are told that everyone learns differently, that students have different needs, that boys and girls learn at different rates and are interested in different things.
  
  But on this hand everyone must learn Maori “things”, there is no option.
  
  If a school wants to incorporate Te Ao Maori, fine. But it needs to be appropriate for the school. Some schools will have 90% interest. Others will have 10% interest.
  
  For the latter case why can’t a school offer it, with options in other things (English, Math, Science, language, woodwork) for those that don’t want it?
  
  Then there’s the horrible equitable outcome clause. That’s impossible, for all the reasons in my first paragraph.
  
  There’s zero chance of me voting national at the moment.
  
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  July 4, 2025 12:38pm
  - OlderChas
    
    I have voted National all my (voting) life. I will be 80 next year. Last election I voted Blue and Yellow. For as long as I live there will never be a Blue in my vote again. I encourage anyone to vote Yellow. But I am concerned with Winston’ apparent disdain – say hatred? – of Seymour. NZ First and ACT would be a good government.
    
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    July 4, 2025 8:58pm
Tomtoddy

The Victorian Govt has received a report about the Aboriginals in the state. It is a catalogue that covers some dreadful atrocities committed and mishandling that makes depressing reading.

However the recommendations are literally crazy. For instance, some controversial recommendations included a significant overhaul of the education system, which would exclude Indigenous children from attendance requirements, suspension and expulsion, as well as avenues for more appropriate cultural training.

This on top of huge compensation, recognising Indigenous groups as sovereign nations, exempting them from taxes and rates, and granting them access to revenue from natural resources and Crown land.

Australians are slow learners. They have thrown endless amounts of money at the Aboriginal problem turning them into another dependent, entitled people, riddled with alcoholism, drug taking, unemployed in hundreds, and with little real hope.
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July 4, 2025 8:26am
- Cassandra
  
  I lived in Victoria 40 years ago. The problem was ancient then and it hasn’t got any better.
  
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  July 4, 2025 8:49am
  - R
    
    And it won’t get any better as long as there are political activists determined to undermine any attempts at improving the outcomes; much like here in NZ
    
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    July 4, 2025 11:39am
- NothingLeft
  
  What if these severe maladaptive problems in the aboriginal community are not fixable?
  
  They were isolated from the rest of the human race for 65,000 years or more, similar to Sub Saharan Africans ~50,000 years, tens of thousands of years before peoples in ~15000 years Americas effectively branched from Eurasian populations meaning they were not exposed to a lot of the cross-breeding and hybrid vigor that arose in a much larger at least loosely connected Eurasian population in which beneficial mutations spread around over the millennia.
  
  As an isolated and sparse hunter-gatherer culture it would be unsurprising if they had severe competitive disadvantages compared to other non-isolated populations, particularly given absence of the 10-15000 years of evolutionary exposure to brutal adaptive pressures of higher population density agrarianism.
  
  It’s a sad situation, and is sadly borne out by IQ testing typically in range 60-70. similar to much of sub saharan africa and forest dwelling hunter gatherer cultures around the world.
  
  There is no solution.
  
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  July 4, 2025 9:05am
  - Jethrod
    
    Mike Bush, the former NZ police Commissioner has been appointed the Commissioner of police for the state of Victoria.
    There is a move afoot for him to be initially accompanied by iwi so that Bush can formally be passed over to the local aboriginal lot.
    It seems as though the hearts and minds there have already undergone extensive brainwashing.
    
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    July 4, 2025 9:43am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    borne out by IQ testing typically in range 60-70.
    
    My IQ is a hell of lot higher than 70 (well it was when I was 9 years old ), but I doubt that I would manage to survive for even 1 week in the Ozzie interior.
    
    Yet aboriginal folk managed to survive and thrive from Cape York to the Southern coast of Tasmania for thousands of years.
    
    However, when the first European explorers started venturing away from the coast, their IQs seemed to count for nothing….. unless they had the common sense to attach themselves to a bunch of aborigines.
    
    https://www.abc.net.au/listen/radionational/archived/bushtelegraph/burke-and-wills-fatal-error/4869904
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:19am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Well said. We don’t have a proper theory of intelligence, so it’s difficult to make definitive statements about racial differences in average IQ.
      
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      July 4, 2025 10:35am
      - Wandering Star
        
        We can use comparisons between average IQ scores though, and make observations about the typuxal behaviors of low IQ groups, and conclude that underdeveloped places with high social disfunction in general, and high crime rates in particilar, tend to be populated by group of people with low average IQ.
        
        Compare sub-Sarahan Africa (except the White minority in South Africa), Haiti, and the bad neighbourhoods of Chicago, Philadelphia and Detroit, with pre-divesity Europe, Canada and the highly White parts of America, and what’s the common racial theme? Whites have it together, while blacks don’t.
        
        This seems like the foundation of a sound and falisifiable theory of intelligence to me.
        
        It doesn’t follow that if you’re black, then you’re dumb (and vice versa), but racial characteristics have good predictive power.
        
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        July 4, 2025 2:03pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      I have no doubt that they are very well adapted to surviving the incredibly harsh conditions that Australia throws up , same as the Micronesians and Amazonian Natives and Kalahari Bushmen. They all do great in their respective paleolithic environments.
      
      But it’s extremely unsurprising that they don’t do well in competition with Eurasians that have had the advantage of nearly a thousand generations of post-paleolithic evolution through the Agrarian, Bronze, Iron, Ancient, Modern and now Industrial Ages , dealing with ever more complex abstraction, literacy and technological advancements, alcohol, larger political structures etc, with brutal culling of less successful individuals and cultures (only around 40% of men had children, but many eras that dropped to less than 10%)
      
      Given that history it would be utterly amazing, supernaturally spooky even, if they weren’t languishing in comparison to peoples who’s genes have been through that gauntlet.
      
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      July 4, 2025 11:12am
    - Allan
      
      Survive, yes. Thrive?
      
      They remained in a stone-age existence for how many centuries?
      
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      July 4, 2025 12:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Thrive?
        
        Some of the last groups of aborigines to enter the modern world (1984, 1986) were in perfect health…
        
        Medical examination revealed that the Tjapaltjarri clan (as they are also known) were “in beautiful condition. Not an ounce of fat, well proportioned, strong, fit, healthy”.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pintupi_Nine#:~:text=The%20Pintupi%20Nine%20are%20a,as%20%22the%20lost%20tribe%22.
        
        David Scrimgeour, a local doctor, examined the Richters as well as the Pintupi Nine. He found them in excellent physical health but assessed them as vulnerable to catching infectious diseases from the non-Aboriginal population
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richters_(Australian_Aboriginal_family)#:~:text=The%20Richters%20or%20Rictors%20are,Great%20Victoria%20Desert%20in%201986.
        
        How many families in the Western world can claim that all their members are in excellent health?
        
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        July 4, 2025 2:02pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        It is possible to argue that a simple, low tech, semi-nomadic lifestyle and a deep connection to the environment of which you are an inseparable part is superior to an advanced, high tech, organised lifestyle where the environment is highly mitigated and seen as external or “other” to most people most of the time (until the environment reimposes its harsh reality on us periodically). That’s a case you can argue, and can only really be affirmed or denied based on a set of subjective presupposions.
        
        However, if your presupposions favour the latter (which is likely the case for most of us by default), there is no way you can then claim that the former is superior, or even equal, to the former.
        
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        July 4, 2025 2:19pm
    - rjay
      
      IQ is not about knowledge but about the ability to acquire knowledge and the ability to think and create. Obviously there is debate about how well IQ tests cross cultural divides.
      
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      July 4, 2025 12:45pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        But an IQ score is an IQ score, and the clear pattern with IQ data is that Whites and East Asians on average have higher IQ scores than people from non-White, non-Asian places. Egalitarianism is false.
        
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        July 4, 2025 2:24pm
    - kiwimike
      
      Local Knowledge Maggy
      always trumps education.
      ask any Military man.
      
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      July 4, 2025 1:04pm
      - MCōs
        
        I worked with a Thai guy in Bangkok whose life was ripped apart when he got a pay rise and the bank gave him a credit card.
        First month he maxed it out and the next thing we knew he had another to get money to pay off the first one.
        No clue about anything other than basic finance, but he knew building structures inside out.
        
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        July 4, 2025 2:52pm
      - Paulus
        
        In Africa if I remember the war in Biafra was won by the man with the guns, who went to Sandhurst.
        The other one went to Oxford.
        Both leaders went to Private Boys Schools in the UK too !
        
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        July 4, 2025 3:53pm
- Cantabrian
  
  I can see TMP salivating over the proposals in that report.
  
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  July 4, 2025 12:34pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

The media is making a meal of the cost of living crisis, rising food & energy bills etc. Not mentioned once is the Government’s interest bill, arising from Grant & Jacinda’s spend up (I’m being polite here).

I reckon Nicola should forget about chastising the supermarkets and go on the attack, reminding punters that the reason the tax take is so high & why we can’t have more nice things or more money in our pockets is the enormous repayment we’re making to the banks.
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July 4, 2025 8:29am
- RoboRob
  
  The focus on the supermarkets, just reiterated by Luxon yesterday, is stupid. Its the same thing we criticised labour for with their ‘banking and petrol enquiries’. NZ cant support 3 major suopermarkets, in the same way Australia cant support 4. We dont have the population to allow for the economies of scale required. No number of threats and enquiries will change that. But it does allow National to look like they are doing something.
  
  Didn’t we criticise Labour for doing this under JA and Hipkins?
  
  Nicola should consider actaully focusing on reducing spending and getting out of deficit. So far she has managed to increase the deficit and government spending. There was no need to increase working for families or keep Labours free year of university etc. Well done Nicola.
  
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  July 4, 2025 10:15am
  - John Loveridge
    
    The investment needed to start a viable, competitive third party in the supermarket sector is colossal. Billions upon billions. The hope of any return would be dismal. Nobody is going to put their hand up.
    
    Most people have no idea of what it takes to build and operate a supermarket chain, and that includes the retards in the previous government who made all the noise about it.
    
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    July 4, 2025 1:28pm
    - mogg
      
      I will often visit the smaller sized Asian supermarkets like ‘Bombay Fresh’, mainly for tea and curry ingredients they also stock the everyday groceries which are nearly always sold at very competitive prices. For any tea drinkers they have 1kg of very good Indian tea leaves for $7.60.
      
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      July 4, 2025 3:19pm
- Paulus
  
  No good her saying that, as the media will disabuse any comments she may have.
  
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  July 4, 2025 10:41am
- R
  
  ..to the banks, COURTESY OF JACINDA, GRANT, AND CHIPPIE to name a few culpable individuals.
  
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  July 4, 2025 11:43am
NothingLeft

AI chatbots are inducing psychosis in some people, typically those with mystical beliefs, as their sophisticated AI sycophancy – basically an extreme tendency to agreeableness – shores up and magnifies their delusions acting as a high tech echo-chamber. It’s happening to a fair number of people who previously seem normal or not significantly crazy, with serious, even fatal outcomes:
https://youtu.be/gico2yKCpLA?t=19
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July 4, 2025 8:35am
- ChristopherW2
  
  The high-profile AI tools are nothing like this.
  
  However, it takes previous knowledge and some curiosity to make good use of AI. It isn’t generally able to volunteer really useful information, you have to be able to think of good questions.
  
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  July 4, 2025 9:25am
greybeard

Sounds to me as though the Maori Party has been colluding with the Australian Indigenous people for some time. Add to that what Rawiri Waititi thinks about the West African military ruler from Burkina Faso.
This is an organised international insurrection.
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July 4, 2025 8:43am
- Observant Octagenarian
  
  It is actually the good old United Nations stirring the pot.
  The United Nations Declaration of Indigenous Peoples (UNDIP) is the driving cause of these problems everywhere.
  NZ under John Key signed up for it, driven by Pita Sharples.
  
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  July 4, 2025 10:38am
- Notsofast
  
  A good interview Laws Seymour on the Platform this morning.
  DS explains it was impossible to get Waititi’s African role model for his cult discussed by Stuff or the Herald etc.
  The Hikoi captured all the young loons and then Chris Martin chimed in at his concert.
  It is not surprising the indoctrination works when the true intent of Waititi is withheld.
  
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  July 4, 2025 11:40am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yeah he has some great speeches in the UN and a huge following among the African populations.
  Well worth a listen to see where African Countries are heading.
  
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  July 4, 2025 12:27pm
- John Loveridge
  
  You lost me at “Rawiri Waititi thinks…”
  
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  July 4, 2025 1:29pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Ha!
    
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    July 4, 2025 8:25pm
I remember when

Kerre Woodham has a balanced article on flooding and slash in Breaking Views.
There has been a lot of debate about the problems that are caused by forestry and slash.
However, is one of the problems with pine plantations that they are largely planted on hill country.
The ground under the trees is mostly free of any vegetation, becoming mats of pine needles.
Does this allow excessive run-off in heavy rain creating a deluge of water into rivers and streams?
Is this another reason that pine is not the best tree for hill country planting?
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July 4, 2025 8:45am
- Gravelroad
  
  “Does this allow excessive run-off in heavy rain creating a deluge of water into rivers and streams.”
  Yes.
  We have had a lot of rain here lately.
  It has caused considerable road damage in places where I have never seen it before.
  Over the years, rain has caused temporary surface flooding, a few minor slips and some road washouts.
  More major damage this time.
  Much of the traditional livestock farming here has been replaced by pine forestry – largely owned by international corporates.
  
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  July 4, 2025 9:39am
  - R
    
    Most of the flood damage from ‘slash’ is due to environmentalist groups campaigns to require that trimmings be left on the site to rot and refertilise the soil. Supportedby legislation – early 1980’s era – last century
    
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    July 4, 2025 11:51am
- mogg
  
  Pine trees have very deep roots, after harvest the rotting tree roots provide access for water deep into the ground making slips much more likely.
  
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  July 4, 2025 11:34am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Actually if you look at the cliffs around the Manukau that allowed wild pines you can see shallow rooting and have caused so much damage as a consequence
    
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    July 4, 2025 1:33pm
  - R
    
    Mogg, pine trees don’t have deep tape roots
    
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    July 4, 2025 2:42pm
RoboRob

Question for those that supported National opposing ACTs ‘Treaty Principles Bills’

Geoffery Palmer has come out against the new ‘Regulatory Standards Bill’ claiming that it is a breach of the principles of the treaty of Waitangi. Is he right?
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July 4, 2025 9:03am
- pdm
  
  RR – Palmer sits in the same category as Helen Clark.
  
  Their days of influence are well past and both need to recognise that and keep their unwanted opinions to themselves.
  
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  July 4, 2025 9:27am
  - RoboRob
    
    Perhaps I was too subtle 🙂
    
    My point is, without specifying what the principles are, how can we ever know if anything is a breach or not.
    
    Nobody can say Palmer or the Waitangi tribunal is wrong or right about it being a breach. We can only judge the merits of their arguement on their manna. A poor way of determining law.
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:30am
  - PurplePen
    
    Or the MSM need to stop publishing every brain fart from them.
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:35am
- Cassandra
  
  The way they’ve been written by Lord Cooke and others everything is contrary to the principles of the Treaty unless it favours or pays Maoris. Which is why Palmer should have included them in law all those years ago. Palmer should acknowledge this and then STFU.
  
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  July 4, 2025 9:31am
  - imalwaysright
    
    The treaty seems to be being morphed into a perverse type of surrender document.
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:23am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  There are no principles in the treaty, just three articles.
  
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  July 4, 2025 10:36am
- R
  
  NO! He’s wrong as always.
  
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  July 4, 2025 11:46am
- kiwimike
  
  yes I agree, he should as he was and is wrong.
  
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  July 4, 2025 1:00pm
- OlderChas
  
  As others have alluded – it cannot possibly be a breach of the principles because no principles exist.
  
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  July 4, 2025 9:14pm
I remember when

Is shoplifting and burglary really another tax?
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July 4, 2025 9:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Not at all –as the Government doesn’t receive the $$$$.
  
  Shoplifting and burglary are “Work” for the lawless.
  
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  July 4, 2025 10:43am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Think of all the taxpayer $$$ that police, lawyers, judges, social workers, prison officers etc. receive who are employed to deal with shoplifters, burglars and other criminal scum. They thrive on societal dysfunction and breakdown.
    
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    July 4, 2025 12:04pm
- John Loveridge
  
  Indirectly, for sure.
  
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  July 4, 2025 1:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Very good, long interview about the difference between Science and Matauranga Maori at the end of this opinion piece

And the empirical content of MM is, as Quillette’s Iona Italia says in her excellent interview video (below) with evolutionary ecologist Kendall Clements of the University of Auckland, consists solely of “intimate local knowledge,” lacking elements of modern science (hypothesis testing, pervasive doubt, theory, the use of mathematics, attempts to explain why things are as they are). Teaching MM as equivalent to modern science, then, is not only misguided, but also inimical to the education of New Zealanders, including Māori students themselves.

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/07/professor-jerry-coyne-why-matauranga.html
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July 4, 2025 9:15am
- Swifty
  
  “This Jerry Coyne is a complete nutcase. He sits in an ivory tower 13,000km away in Chicago. His country has a history of near extermination of the Indians, racism towards black people and now persecution of immigrants, and he blissfully ignores all that to write about Maori issues.”
  
  What a reply – both pathetic and typical.
  
  Doesn’t address Coyne’s points but rather gets personal and throws straw men about.
  
  Wouldn’t surprise me if this reply was from a leading NZ academic.
  
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  July 4, 2025 11:01am
- Notsofast
  
  Yes great interview. Note Siouxie Wiles fomented the cancellations of these proper academics by the charlatans and fakes.
  
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  July 4, 2025 11:43am
- R
  
  An academic who has seen the light. There is hope then for our future tertiary students.
  
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  July 4, 2025 11:54am
- Jack5
  
  The Hipkins family has a track record in the debate over Maori knowledge v. Maori science, the Quillette interview linked to by Maggy Wassilieff shows.
  
  When Chris Hipkins was Minister of Education, Rosemary Hipkins, his mother, an educationalist, led the introduction of the approach of “knowledge systems,” Kendall Clements explains. This is being used in schools and universities. He says the approach seems to have been propagated by Rosemary (a.k.a. Rose) Hipkins. (This is roughly about 24-26 minutes into the long video.)
  
  The approach is to teach science as one system, Maori knowledge as another.
  “We have to consider knowledge systems as equivalent, and we want students to appreciate there are different ways of looking at the world,” Clements gives as his assessment.
  
  “At my university this year, the faculty for science, for the first time is teaching a (compulsory) course where students talk about Matauranga Maori and various other aspects of Maori life — traditional practice, customs, those sorts of things — through a knowledge system framing.”
  
  If Maori knowledge is offered for teaching as well as science, then creation theory might be demanded as an alternative to evolution teaching, suggests Clements.
  
  In addition to the link Maggie Wassilieff gives, here’s one giving the background of educationist Rosemary Hipkins, mother of Chris Hipkins:
  
  https://www.nzcer.org.nz/about-nzcer/our-team/rose-hipkins
  
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  July 4, 2025 3:30pm
  - OlderChas
    
    So – Rosemary has never actually had a “real” job?
    
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    July 4, 2025 9:19pm
slightlyrighty

The US Army has a budget of 197.4 Billion USD.

The USMC has a Budget of 52 Billion USD

The US FBI has a budget of 10.8 Billion USD.

The US Government has approved a budget for ICE of 170 Billion USD.

If you are a US Citizen, and this doesn’t concern you, then I would bet that you failed History at school.
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July 4, 2025 9:26am
- NothingLeft
  
  Estimates of several 10’s of millions of illegal immigrants in USA, and Trump was elected in large part to ‘fix’ the illegal immigration issue. This appears to be democracy working as it should. With only the partisan judiciary holding things back – trying to impose $10’s of thousands of dollars of ‘due process’ costs and months or years of delay on deporting people who entered illegally. Clearly unaffordable and immensely damaging to USA’s economy.
  
  Once the deportation ball gets rolling in a big way it is likely that a lot of illegals will self deport to better preserve their savings.
  
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  July 4, 2025 11:23am
- ISeeRed
  
  Please do tell us why anyone should be historically concerned.
  
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  July 4, 2025 12:07pm
- Inandout
  
  slight, last DOGE savings figure I saw was $170 billion. If I was a US citizen I would be satisfied because there is no historical precedent.
  
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  July 4, 2025 12:40pm
- kiwimike
  
  Nah doesn’t bother me, big numbers for a big country
  
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  July 4, 2025 12:59pm
Cassandra

The nurses union is threatening another strike. One of its demands is a ‘tikanga allowance’ for nurses required to use tikanga in their daily work with Māori patients.
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July 4, 2025 9:27am
- kowtow
  
  In the 90’s it was “full and final settlements”.
  
  Now it’s open slather.
  
  We need a very strong Act party to put a full and final end to all this anti constitutional nonsense.
  
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  July 4, 2025 9:45am
- pdm
  
  Their Union is obviously smarter than most.
  
  Or will this tikanga claim become a regular (bullshit) occurrence.
  
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  July 4, 2025 10:25am
  - Cassandra
    
    It’s one of their negotiating ploys. They don’t expect to win this time. They’ll concede this in order to get something else and then try the tikanga rort again later.
    
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    July 4, 2025 10:44am
- AitchW
  
  What tikanga is necessary in nursing? A karakia before changing a dressing? Koha for visitors?
  Perhaps a powhiri for every new admission?
  As far as I can see nurses should be polite, respectful, and genuinely caring toward patients. Surely that traverses cultural lines?
  
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  July 4, 2025 12:12pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Surely that traverses cultural lines?
    
    Of course it traverses cultural/racial/religious/gendered lines.
    
    I’ve always considered the cultural safety requirement for NZ nurses to be an absolute insult to the training Nurses received overseas or prior to the NZ Nursing Council being captured by Irihapeti Ramsden & co.
    
    These days in NZ our nurses seem to come from a great mix of cultures and races. They attend patients and work with medical staff from every corner of the globe…
    Tikanga carries no more value than does possessing nursing competence and a caring regard for fellow humans in need.
    
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    July 4, 2025 2:18pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      Would nurses have to go on a special course to learn about tikanga and it’s use and compulsory delivery?
      Is so, I imagine that course would not be free.
      Who should pay for it? The taxpayer? The nurse?
      You can bet the people running the courses will be charging top $$$$$$$$$ for their time.
      Why should the nurses have to pay?
      
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      July 4, 2025 2:54pm
      - Keith White
        
        NZ doctors already do, when applying for or renewing a practicing certificate. That’s one of the many things I am quite happy to not to have to fake anymore.
        
        “To obtain a practising certificate in New Zealand, doctors must first register with the Medical Council of New Zealand (MCNZ) and meet specific requirements, including those related to cultural safety and competence, particularly in relation to Māori culture and Te Tiriti o Waitangi. Doctors must complete courses or work through modules focused on cultural safety. The MCNZ considers cultural competence as part of its assessment for issuing practising certificates. ”
        
        Back before I got blacklisted for not acting as if the mRNA vaccine was proven totally safe and completely effective, the last time I did this it took me a half-day just to get the re-Maorification cert.
        
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        July 4, 2025 4:28pm
  - OlderChas
    
    Aitch did you mean to say a koha FROM visitors – to the poor nurses who have to put up with this BS?
    
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    July 4, 2025 9:28pm
- OlderChas
  
  Good on the nurses! If they have to suffer through the compulsory “tikanga training” – and “pass” the training to keep their jobs – why should they not be compensated for it? (One way to appease those calling for this strike would be stop the propagandic (is that really a word?) training and just compensate those who have had to suffer it with a one off payment. (Oh – and an apology of course!)
  
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  July 4, 2025 9:26pm
mandk

Unhelpful te reo names for government agencies #4,739.

Would anyone care to guess what Peke Waihanga does?

Clue – it has been in the news in the past couple of days.

Various translation apps I looked up render in English as Jumping Maker, Creative Bag, or even Synthesis.
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July 4, 2025 9:56am
Anthony Melchett

FFS
The hold music at IRD is all nz songs that have been rerecorded in maori.

Who is paying for this shit? Oh yea, I am.
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July 4, 2025 10:00am
- MCōs
  
  No you’re not anymore than if they played Henry Mancini favourite yodels
  
  I once rang WINZ, Seniors and was put on hold listening to hip hop, which I loathe.
  That’s a sure fire way of thinning out the queue!
  
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  July 4, 2025 3:06pm
  - Keith White
    
    And over the years – remember the decade of Pan’s :)*^%$!! Pipes, and then Gregorian Chants. Sheesh.
    
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    July 4, 2025 4:29pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      Love Gregorian Chant 😆
      But I suppose any conservative Catholic would) 🙂
      
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      July 4, 2025 5:18pm
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    The songs cost more because you can bet your bottom dollar the artists received a grant for the virtue signalling or sold them for a higher price.
    
    It’s a massive rort and you know it
    
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    July 4, 2025 7:05pm
- alex Masterley
  
  The Muzak on Air NZ aircraft is much the same.
  
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  July 4, 2025 3:57pm
sungsamning

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jobs-report-today-june-2025-economy-tariffs/
Employers added 147,000 jobs in June as U.S. labor market continues to defy expectations.
Employers across the U.S. added 147,000 jobs in June, with the labor market remaining resilient despite slowing economic growth this year. That figure is in line with the average monthly gain of 146,000 over the last year, according to the Labor Department. [I’m not sure if newly hired gators and pythons at Alligator Alcatraz are included.]
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July 4, 2025 10:57am
sungsamning

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/madelineleesman/2025/07/03/house-democrats-are-flipping-out-about-alligator-alcatraz-n2659840
House Democrats Are Flipping Out About Alligator Alcatraz.
Twenty-four House Democrats have called on the Trump administration to close down “Alligator Alcatraz,” a brand-new illegal alien detention facility built in the Florida Everglades.
Led by Democratic Reps. Janelle Bynum (OR) and Maxwell Frost (FL), the House Democrats demanded that Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Todd Lyons shut the facility down. [Its not just humans getting jobs. Industrious members of the wildlife community can be employed too.]
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July 4, 2025 10:57am
- Keith White
  
  Alligators will work for food…
  
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  July 4, 2025 4:30pm
Swifty

Master criminals of New Zealand:

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1FpFv2hPnR/?mibextid=wwXIfr
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July 4, 2025 11:30am
Swifty

More poverty in New Zealand:

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1ApS51m3es/?mibextid=wwXIfr
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July 4, 2025 11:39am
David Garrett

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360746258/victims-family-urges-judge-keep-repeat-violent-offender-streets

If the real three strikes law had not been repealed, this POS would be going away for 14 years and not eight and a half. Even with parole – because of course to deny him that would have been “manifestly unjust” – he would be where he belongs for a great deal longer than the six years or so he will serve now.

The chance of this scum being rehabilitated must be close to zero.
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July 4, 2025 11:44am
- imalwaysright
  
  Article:
  ‘Su’a has had 23 convictions since 2013, and has been jailed several times.’
  
  23 crimes that got to trial.
  If we had a proper three strikes law then it would have saved at least 20 people from becoming victims of this scum.
  
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  July 4, 2025 12:10pm
- AitchW
  
  I’m guessing that he’s of low intelligence, illiterate, and uneducated. I agree that he is never going to be rehabilitated.
  It’s time that sentences took account of the damage to victims. His victim’s life in this case has been irreparably damaged, with subsequent consequences for his immediate and extended family.
  Lock the thug up for life.
  
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  July 4, 2025 12:17pm
  - Keith White
    
    “Paging Paul Kersey. Paul Kersey to the courtesy phone – you have a collect call from New Zealand.”
    
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    July 4, 2025 4:32pm
Jack5

A new, vogue health topic? Or something serious?

From next February, New Zealand GP’s and trained nurses will be able to prescribe drugs for ADHD. At present, only psychiatrists or paediatricians do this.

A Radio NZ report says about 0.6 per cent of adult New Zealanders receive drugs for ADHD. It adds: “Based on a conservative estimate of 2.6 per cent of adults with ADHD, this shows a large ‘treatment gap’ exists.”

And … “Māori and Pacific peoples are less likely to receive ADHD medications. These inequities begin early. Tamariki Māori screened for ADHD at age four are less likely to receive medication than their non-Māori peers.”

And … “prevalence is also five times higher among youth prisoners and ten times higher among adult prisoners …”

Of course.

Excitement about ADHD is Western-world wide. In the English-speaking world, headlines appear like: “At 43 I found I had ADHD,” and “Britain has 2.8 million people with ADHD”.

ADHD stands for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, and people with such a real condition have been around for probably forever. But for long we treated it like a personality quirk: “she can’t sit still”, or as a label for disruptive kids, or for kids seemingly uncontrollable by parents.

Some people with neuro-diversity problems need sympathy and support: autism sufferers — the autistic — range from unable to work to performance at genius level. The condition’s too severe to take medical specialists out of diagnosis and treatment.

ADHD, surging in popularity, is something else. Some with the actual condition will or would surely benefit from prescribed drugs. However, the sudden, West World-wide publicity surge suggests something else is going on, something non-medical.

Will ADHD boom in New Zealand if ACC offers support on diagnoses by, say, a nurse rather than a psychiatrist?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/565773/more-than-meds-why-easier-access-to-adhd-treatment-has-to-be-part-of-a-whole-system-approach
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July 4, 2025 12:22pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  ADHD is the new gluten-intolerance
  
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  July 4, 2025 8:36pm
Master Mariner

Yeah he has some great speeches in the UN and a huge following among the African populations.
Well worth a listen to see where African Countries are heading.
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July 4, 2025 12:32pm
Bridgenag

Had a mate trying to get a finalisation to his cancer pain………Takes months and of course he had to be in pain for that time…… died before he was able to get that relief. We treat our pets better than this.
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July 4, 2025 12:49pm
- Jack5
  
  That’s why I would like the choice of euthanasia when the time comes.
  
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  July 4, 2025 1:03pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    He tried……
    
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    July 4, 2025 1:29pm
surfing

I see Peter McCullough is now peddling ivermectin as a cancer cure.

Wonderful drug, now vaccine sceptics have an alternative to western medicine for cancer treatment too.

As luck would have it (the coincidence is an absolute miracle), Peter also sells ivermectin.
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July 4, 2025 2:57pm
- Keith White
  
  If you’d like to be well informed, read this paper from 2011 – there’s a good reason the team that developed the drug won a Nobel.
  
  Proc Jpn Acad Ser B Phys Biol Sci. 2011 Feb 10;87(2):13–28. doi: 10.2183/pjab.87.13
  
  Ivermectin, ‘Wonder drug’ from Japan: the human use perspective
  
  I have prescribed the drug myself many, many times pre the WuFlu, when on assignment in Africa, to treat ‘worms’ in the locals – esp. onchocerciasis, plus strongyloides and ascaris infestations. As the paper shows, it also works well for cutaneous larva migrans and filariasis, as well lice’n’mites (pediculosis and scabies).
  
  In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world’s most devastating tropical diseases.
  
  So, have a little bit more of a broad mind about this drug, mmkay?
  
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  July 4, 2025 4:38pm
  - jonno1
    
    What puzzles me is that Ivermectin has been proven harmless, so why not allow off-label use? It won’t do any harm, and might do some good.
    
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    July 4, 2025 5:28pm
    - Anthony Melchett
      
      Because it’s horse paste.
      
      Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
      
      Just kidding, it’s because practitioners don’t get paid enough in rebates for prescribing it
      
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      July 4, 2025 7:27pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Always remember that warfarin started life as rat poison.
        
        And viagra as a nasal decongestant.
        
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        July 4, 2025 8:38pm
RichardF

Hopefully the beat patrols in Rotorua have a positive impact on anti social behavior. We just visited for a couple of days and there was a significant number of shady people around town. Less than last time, thankfully, but still noticeable enough to feel a little uneasy at times. A few years ago while eating at the excellent Zapata Mexican cantina, a young Maori fella stood outside the restaurant staring at me for around 10 minutes. We eventually left and his eyes followed me to our car, way down the street. I actually lived there for a couple of years ~30 years ago and love the area, but thoughts of moving there ended a long time ago due to some of the unsavory locals.
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  That’s racist.
  
  You should have offered hi. The contents of your wallet in reparations.
  
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  July 4, 2025 7:28pm
Master Mariner

https://quillette.com/2025/07/03/stealing-australia-and-buying-new-zealand-native-title-maori-aboriginal/
A interesting international perspective.
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Ardern’s home. Her mother has Leukaemia. Wonder if she’s reflecting on her behaviour during Covid where people couldn’t be with dying loved ones, minimising funerals, locking people up in MiQ etc etc.
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  “The myth of Narcissa tells the story of a tyrannical leader who falls in love with her own reflection in the eyes of her tyrannized faithful, ultimately leading to her spending her life wanting it always and failing evermore…”
  
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Keith White

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/cancer-disgrace-pm-jacinda-arderns-hand-written-letter-to-12-year-old-lilly-vining/H3HT6PWW667C55GMBZYAVDGRYM/

The link title is pretty self-explanatory…
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