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Cassandra

Netanyahu nominates Trump for Nobel Peace Prize? AKA The Kiss Of Death or will it have a chance? Pres T was apparently quite pleased.
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July 9, 2025 8:01am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Art of the Suck-Up
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:06am
- Mike
  
  Reminiscent of Disraeli and Queen Victoria:
  “Everyone likes flattery; and when you come to Royalty you should lay it on with a trowel.”
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:31am
  - Jack5
    
    Disraeli was a master of flattery, or, as applied to women in Victorian times, charm.
    
    One of Disraeli’s sayings: “Talk to a man about himself, and he will listen for hours.”
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think the Pakistani Government was also going to nominate him…
  
  https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/21/asia/pakistan-trump-nobel-peace-prize-nomination-intl
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:34am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Already have.
    If a couple of Arab States (and maybe India) add their names to it it’ll be really hard for the committee to justify giving it to someone else (which they almost certainly will).
    
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    July 9, 2025 9:21am
    - Mike
      
      Yes. Out of over 300 nominees, it won’t be hard to find someone who has contributed more.
      
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      July 9, 2025 10:12am
      - rouppe
        
        You could have said that (but didn’t) about Obama. He got the NPP for…
        
        Making speeches it seems.
        
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        July 9, 2025 1:06pm
      - David George
        
        Who would you pick Mike?
        
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        July 9, 2025 1:20pm
      - Ghost
        
        I think it is an easy win, only one stands above the rest. Joe Biden’s autopen
        
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        July 9, 2025 1:49pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Obama got one for tickling lefty ears with what they regarded as cool sounding slogans, and achieving nothing. Which makes the NPP a pile a laughable garbage.
        
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        July 9, 2025 7:34pm
    - R
      
      Probably give it to Putin!
      
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      July 9, 2025 10:22am
      - David Garrett
        
        R: And I saw that another one of Putin’s former henchmen has been “found dead” after Putin had sacked him. Dangerous business being close to that boy.
        
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        July 9, 2025 12:16pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        David, you could say that at least there’s genuine accountability in Russian politics. Mess up over there and you pay the price; mess up over here and you get a plum job and a payrise, and probably a New Years gong from the person who replaced you. And yet we are quick to criticise serious states like Russia and China.
        
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        July 9, 2025 1:39pm
      - rangitoto
        
        “Dangerous business being close to that boy.”
        
        It was an unusual case. They usually fall out of windows by accident, or shoot themselves in the back three times.
        
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        July 9, 2025 2:42pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Pak Govt have rescinded their recommendation.
    
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    July 9, 2025 9:46am
    - Mike
      
      Pakistan has generally been an ally of Iran, so that’s no surprise.
      
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      July 9, 2025 10:10am
    - kowtow
      
      Ah yes , danger over , resume normal.
      
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      July 9, 2025 10:33am
- cmm
  
  Well it certainly makes more sense than Obomber getting it.
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:53am
  - mandk
    
    Indeed.
    
    The Nobel Prize committee judged Obama by the colour of his skin, not the content of his character.
    
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    July 9, 2025 9:07am
    - Mike
      
      He got it for not being G W Bush.
      
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      July 9, 2025 10:13am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        He got it for cool sounding slogans.
        
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        July 9, 2025 7:37pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      The Nobel Committee should have cancelled Obama’s award.
      
      After he got his Peace Prize he presided over the dropping of so many bombs that the US military nearly ran out of them.
      
      Hardly Peaceful …
      
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      July 9, 2025 11:15am
      - rouppe
        
        Plus American military deployed to Libya.
        
        Plus a military incursion into Pakistan without prior congressional approval to kill bin Laden.
        
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        July 9, 2025 1:13pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Hey, Obama was the first black President!
    
    When he left office the number of people around the world taken out by drones dropped massively, surely that alone is worth a peace prize.
    
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    July 9, 2025 9:18am
    - JackRabbit
      
      According to Biden, in one of his rambling speeches, he – Biden, was the first Black President.
      
      Obama must use invisible puppet strings.
      
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      July 9, 2025 9:53am
    - pdm
      
      RR – only problem with your theory is that I think Obama got the award in the first year of his Presidency.
      
      Anticipation maybe.
      
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      July 9, 2025 11:04am
      - cmm
        
        No he was awarded it for stuff he did as a senator – well in theory anyway.
        
        The reality is that it was far more to do with being the first black President.
        
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        July 9, 2025 11:14am
      - Mike
        
        It was formally “for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples”
        
        Even before the election, Obama had advocated dialogue and cooperation across national, ethnic, religious and political dividing lines. As President, he called for a new start to relations between the Muslim world and the West based on common interests and mutual understanding and respect. In accordance with a promise he made during his election campaign, he set in motion a plan for the withdrawal of U.S. occupying forces from Iraq.
        During his first year in power, President Obama showed himself to be a strong spokesman for human rights and democracy, and as a constructive supporter of the work being done to put effective measures in place to combat the climate crisis. This is in line with his appeal: “Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges”.
        
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        July 9, 2025 12:46pm
      - cmm
        
        Mike, it would appear that the Nobel people must have had a crystal ball.
        
        He received the Nobel after being in office for 9 months – hardly enough time for him to be credited for all the work he did during his first year in office.
        
        C’mon, let’s be honest he got it for something he wasn’t particularly good at – being black.
        
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        July 9, 2025 5:08pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Mike: “He received the Nobel after being in office for 9 months ”
        
        Again, not the full story hey.
        
        When was he nominated for it? Do tell.
        
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        July 9, 2025 7:38pm
      - Ghost
        
        Ooo ooo pick me……
        
        The winner is selected by the Nobel Committee from nominations submitted by committee members and others. Nominations for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize closed just 11 days after Obama took office.
        
        Wiki
        
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        July 9, 2025 7:44pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Yep. Nominated for “sounding cool”, and spouting mere slogans. Some people are easily fooled. The NPP is consequently now a laughing stock.
        
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        July 9, 2025 8:37pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    More so after getting it just after entering office.
    The NPP is politicized.
    
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    July 9, 2025 3:16pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  It is my not so humble opinion that;
  
  1. The Government should be no more than 20% of GDP.
  2. Government expenditure should be cut to achieve that end. There is plenty of waste.
  3. The Government is a dead weight on the economy.
  4. Excess Government workers should be employed in the productive economy being retrained if necessary.
  
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  July 9, 2025 9:22am
  - R
    
    Points 1 -3 I agree, point 4 will be difficult in many quarters. Have you tried dealing with some of the bureaucrats recently?
    
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    July 9, 2025 10:25am
    - rouppe
      
      Many have a remarkable change of attitude once they are no longer bureaucrats
      
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      July 9, 2025 1:15pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Transfer of wealth from the Productive to the unproductive.
    Nothing more , Nothing less.
    
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    July 9, 2025 3:18pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Perhaps Netanyahu is hoping for a reciprocal nomination
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:25am
- rangitoto
  
  The prize should go to Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy for eliminating more than a million katsaps.
  
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  July 9, 2025 2:51pm
kowtow

K Allen , all the progs told us she was so wunnerful .Next PM and all that .

In reality just another nasty elitist from the permanent political class and the progs promoted her based on identitarian characteristics , not merit.
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July 9, 2025 8:10am
- Notsofast
  
  Catalogue of recognisable behaviours from a warrior race and a DEI hire from hell.
  It beggars belief this woman was justice minister.
  It also seems she was over the criminal level for DUI for a period during the detainment.
  She got lucky.
  And she was hell bent on policing speech of the common citizenry..
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:16am
- Simon
  
  This disgraceful clown was at the heart of govt. Just yet another sign of steady state decline of NZ.
  
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  July 9, 2025 11:02am
  - imalwaysright
    
    How do people like her and Tory Whanau etc get selected for these top jobs ?
    
    Surely, if their enablers want specifically a Maori woman, there are plenty of far more capable, moral, and ethical candidates with Maori heritage ?
    
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    July 9, 2025 11:24am
    - Eastlander
      
      There are but they’re in National or Act.
      
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      July 9, 2025 2:10pm
- Positan
  
  The saddest fact of NZ politics is that so many MPs – and ministers – are personally lacking in even the most basic elements of what used to praised and saluted as old fashioned “character.”
  “Character” – the instinctive knowledge of what was right and wrong – embraced the qualities of uprightness of conduct and moral strength – once the determining attributes desired and expected in MPs by the voting public.
  For years now, “character” has been virtually non-existent in any of our MPs – especially so on the Left side of the House where singularly egregious conduct is in evidence almost daily.
  Kiri Allen’s behaviour was appalling, nay utterly abominable, and it openly displayed how little regard she had for herself, let alone for the conduct of a Minister of the Crown. The fact she’d been raised to such a signal position either showed appalling judgment by Ardern – or that Labour’s pool of suitable talent was effectively bone dry.
  When I reflect back on parliamentarians like Norm Kirk and Jack Marshall, who were indeed “men of character”, I shudder at what’s now apparent as the all but complete lack of that attribute in our parliamentarians today.
  
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  July 9, 2025 11:04am
  - pdm
    
    Positan you are so right.
    
    Character has vanished into oblivion.
    
    Just like respect.
    
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    July 9, 2025 11:54am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Semantics . The definition of Character has changed to what you proposed.
    I believe the word Fortitude is probably more timeless and relevant.
    
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    July 9, 2025 3:24pm
    - wairarapapaul
      
      And a dose of Integrity
      
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      July 9, 2025 4:02pm
      - Quail
        
        All relevant above!
        And voters can’t do a thing about it because MMP parties and bureaucracy rules!
        
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        July 9, 2025 5:31pm
- cmm
  
  Was it ever determined whether this was an “accident” and “careless driving” vs, as some have alleged, a lezzie-lover-spat gone wrong and she deliberately rammed the other vehicle?
  
  It seems to me she got off extremely lightly by being charged with careless driving. I wonder whether a straight white male would have been charged the same.
  
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  July 9, 2025 11:42am
  - kowtow
    
    One suspects there’s an awful lot more to this story .The media and Wellington set will all know.
    
    But given the woman is from the left side of the spectrum together with other “protected” characteristics , she’s given the get Out of gaol card.
    
    Now , had she been Act or Nat , by golly!
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:08pm
  - rouppe
    
    The owner of the other vehicle was a straight white male.
    
    The house was owned by a ministry of justice official and her husband. Apparently they had never met.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kiri-allan-crashed-outside-home-of-senior-ministry-of-justice-official/7Z7R2UG4ORDPJFUTFSCQ62QIX4/
    
    So no, not a “lezzie lover spat”.
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:17pm
Spam

I generally don’t read Stuff, but occasionally I look at the headlines. this article got me intrigued.

In the article, written in Glenn McConnell’s typical style (which I find a bit smarmy), he tries to make a case against David Seymour’s view that the Regulatory Standards Bill should not include references to ‘The Principles of the Treaty Of Waitangi”.

I don’t think Glenn meant to, but I think his article illustrates exactly why Seymour is correct. This is because the article simple demonstrates that interest groups simply try to use the ‘Treaty Principles’ to push whatever requirement that they want.
The Right To Enjoy The Natural World is apparently a right under the Treaty, and apparently the Regulatory Standards Bill will prevent that.
An Equitable Public Service is also a Treaty right that the bill will remove.
While the Bill protects property rights, apparently protecting Maori property rights is a breach of the treaty, because under the treaty Maori property rights must be protected.
Oh – and of course, the Bill itself is a breach of the treaty!

This article provides a clear reason why law making in New Zealand needs things like the Regulatory Standards Bill, and why these Treaty Principles clauses need to go.

As an alternative, Seymour could say ‘sure, I’ll include in the Bill that it must follow the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, but I also require those principles to be defined.
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July 9, 2025 8:10am
- Mike
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  The Legislation Design and Advisory Committee has submitted a quite damning report on the bill:
  
  the Bill is unnecessary to the extent that it restates existing constraints and principles of good law-making;
  the principles contained in the Bill are selective and deeply contestable; and
  the Bill has the potential for significant constitutional impact that has not been fully explored.
  
  https://www.ldac.org.nz/submissions/2025-Submissions/Regulatory-Standards-Bill—Submission-on-Discussion-Document
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:45am
  - balanced
    
    Why is there so much opposition to the commonsense regulatory standards bill?
    
    Could the reason be the bill will expose future Labour governments changing legislation to:
    1. suspiciously favour gangs,
    2. punish landlords and farmers.
    3. ban oil and gas exploration, whilst importing record coal,
    4. Ignore nzs pandemic plan
    5. Transfer NZ public assets to the Maori Kings family
    6. Stop the democratic process for approving/disapproving racist policies.
    Etc.
    
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    July 9, 2025 9:21am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Why is there so much opposition to the commonsense regulatory standards bill?
      
      Because it goes against the Divide and Conquer mentality.
      
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      July 9, 2025 3:29pm
  - Cassandra
    
    Mike: this is a high powered body. Their opinion is worth noting. It’s full of speculation but nevertheless should be taken into account.
    
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    July 9, 2025 9:29am
    - RoboRob
      
      The new bill will major impact how the ‘Legislation Design and Advisory Committee’ will function going forward. They have a mjor incentive to torpedo any changes.
      
      Their complaints might be valid, who knows.
      
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      July 9, 2025 10:00am
    - Mike
      
      It rightly points out some significant flaws. We’ll see if anything useful comes out of the select committee process.
      
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      July 9, 2025 10:15am
  - Swifty
    
    The left pass highly contestable laws every time they are in government.
    
    Should they be prevented from doing so?
    
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    July 9, 2025 9:52am
    - RoboRob
      
      No. As much as their laws suck, having a government agency deciding what laws can and cant be implemented removes power from voters and give it to beaurocrats and lawyers.
      
      If only right wing governments were willing to implement contentious new laws.
      
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      July 9, 2025 10:02am
    - R
      
      YES! let’s start governing again for all citizens; one people, one country, one set of RULES
      
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      July 9, 2025 10:29am
  - Eastlander
    
    Their objections are ideological and not worth considering.
    
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    July 9, 2025 10:10am
  - rouppe
    
    LDAC? Whose job it is to advise on good legislation? A job they have manifestly failed at?
    
    That LDAC?
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:24pm
    - Mike
      
      An advisory committee is not generally considered responsible for politicians’ choices to institute bad laws.
      
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      July 9, 2025 3:21pm
- PurplePen
  
  I was under the impression that the Bill established a body that advised if a piece of legislation didn’t meet regulatory standards. And much like Waitangi Tribunal output parliament can just ignore the advice. So what’s all the fuss about.
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:45am
artemisia

Revealed: What police say happened the night of Kiri Allan’s crash arrest

Police allege former Justice Minister Kiri Allan was “verbally abusive”, told officers that charging her was a “political stunt” and demanded a court summons “disappear”, while under arrest for suspected drink-driving, The Post can reveal.

But wait, there’s more, much more …

Grabbing hold of shrubbery (alleged) did show initiative though.

https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/360750807/revealed-what-police-say-happened-night-kiri-allans-crash-arrest
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July 9, 2025 8:11am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Looking at newspapers at the time, she did lose her licence.
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:21am
- cmm
  
  It doesn’t mention boiling the bus ticket to get the perfect level of softness and temperature before giving her a gentle tap on the wrist
  
  She ended up with a $300 fine for careless driving and paying $5296 for repairs. Having recently been through having a car totaled for some very minor damage, I doubt very much that damage to two vehicles amounted to anything less than $15k.
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:27am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I think the car she hit was written off.
    
    And lets not forget her legal crusade to clarify drunk drivers rights to a lawyer before a breath test….that’s what’s called going the extra mile!
    
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    July 9, 2025 9:01am
    - cmm
      
      I wonder who paid for that? Insurance?
      
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      July 9, 2025 11:10am
      - pdm
        
        Driving under the influence means no insurance.
        
        Who owned the car Allen was driving?
        
        If it was her then she would be liable for both vehicles.
        
        If it was a Government owned vehicle then I guess taxpayers paid and hopefully someone is now trying to get Allen to cough up.
        
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        July 9, 2025 11:59am
      - cmm
        
        She was driving a Crown vehicle which is probably self-insured by the state.
        
        No doubt our wallets were involved.
        
        C’mon get her to cough up? She was a poor wimminz of colour who was distressed at the time, same as GG with the shop lifting. Can’t have her being held accountable.
        
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        July 9, 2025 1:09pm
      - rouppe
        
        Insurance must have paid for the victims car, assuming they had private insurance.
        
        Kiri Allen’s car was a parliamentary vehicle, which is “self insured” (by parliament) so just absorbed into some spreadsheet or other.
        
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        July 9, 2025 1:29pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    If I was the owner of the ute that she hit, I would want more than $5,296 for it! I’m sure insurance wrote off the ute and replaced it.
    
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    July 9, 2025 10:41am
    - cmm
      
      The $5296 was for the damages to the Crown vehicle she was driving. The ute was not mentioned.
      
      The ute damages would likely have been civil and not part of the criminal case.
      
      If there is any justice in the world, then the insurance company would have sued her and it would have come out of her own pocket.
      
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      July 9, 2025 11:45am
    - rouppe
      
      That’s not how insurance works.
      
      They would have paid book value less the excess, which would have been thousands less than it cost to replace with like for like
      
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      July 9, 2025 1:31pm
- nova
  
  Wow. The evidential breath test was at 11:43pm, after a failed breath screening test at 9:32pm, and she still blew 335 mcg. Well over two hours later and she still failed the 250 mcg mark, but scraped under the 400 mcg mark. It’s very likely that more prompt testing would have seen her well over 400 mcg, as the body metabolises about 1 standard drink per hour. Questions need to be asked as to why there was such a long delay, some of her tactics are outlined in the article, but it is still manifestly excessive.
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:54am
  - cmm
    
    Bending over backwards because she ticks three diversity boxes… and is politically connected.
    
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    July 9, 2025 9:59am
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    Of the many things that stink about this, this is one of the worst when you dig down into it.
    On the face of it plod look at best sub-optimal for their tardiness in doing the alcohol test.
    But that disregards what we know about her no doubt banshee-like behaviour to cops just trying to do their jobs. Surely if you’ve got someone being as vile as she clearly was, the officers should have been very keen to stick her on the machine as quickly as possible.
    The only three explanations are 1) they deliberately delayed getting an evidential sample to help a minister minimise her charges, 2) they similarly deliberately delayed because they were intimidated (so should really not be in the job) or 3) are just incompetent.
    
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    July 9, 2025 11:54pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  At the time she ran amok I described her, on this site, as fly blown drunk. Somebody here criticised me for that comment.
  It was a brilliant example of damage control.
  
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  July 9, 2025 9:00am
  - R
    
    An insult to flies.
    
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    July 9, 2025 10:34am
- kowtow
  
  She also abused the Cops telling them she makes the law .
  
  perhaps the left here should start a ‘No kings’ movement here too .
  
  or is that an extremist stunt only reserved for pollies on the right who aren’t acceptable to the left.
  
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  July 9, 2025 9:18am
- RoboRob
  
  Lucky all the details come out well after the point where they might have been useful.
  
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  July 9, 2025 9:21am
- R
  
  Grabbing hold of shrubbery; guess that she was praying to the shrubs soul for support!
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:31am
- PurplePen
  
  Wow, what a spoilt brat!
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:50am
- alex Masterley
  
  Ms Allan certainly covered herself in glory that night.
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:56am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I thought she covered herself in ferns…. ’til the Alsatian sniffed her out.
    
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    July 9, 2025 11:34am
- Damocles11
  
  All the details *haven’t* come out in this case: the police report has been redacted to smithereens, probably because the things KA did and said on that night are beyond the pale and incredibly damning. The public will never be allowed to know what transpired, instead we get some crumbs about ‘grabbing shrubs’. Two-tier policing for sure, no ordinary member of the public would have the crucial test inexplicably delayed for a month of Sundays. What an unjust state of affairs & doesn’t give one much confidence in our ‘cover up’ police.
  
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  July 9, 2025 11:00am
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    100%, the reason why she was where she was, why she drove there from her flat, who owned the 4WD she hit, her knowledge of the seemingly innocent owners of that car have yet to come out as I understand it. Hell have no fury and all that.
    
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    July 9, 2025 12:17pm
- Master Mariner
  
  The thing that stood out was it took OIA and Ombudsman to release the report.
  Another thing is there appeared to be no one in the Court.
  In addition there was a lot of overseas reporting on this, Bugger all here.
  
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  July 9, 2025 3:46pm
  - Ghost
    
    There was a lot of reporting here on this
    
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    July 9, 2025 3:48pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

The annual public sector survey results are out. Can we not have some fun here!

“just 44 percent of public servants are confident their colleagues were hired based on merit” – presumably the other 56% lack confidence in the 44%.

“70 percent of public servants felt it was safe to speak up about wrongdoing or inappropriate behaviour, with 15 percent disagreeing it was safe to speak up” – 70% of the public service are Lefties who buy in to the whole Maoris wuz robbed syndrome.

“34 percent) were satisfied or very satisfied with their pay, about half did not or strongly did not think their pay adequately reflected their performance” – 34% think they’ll never get a better job, while the others think that too but still want more money?

There’s plenty more, knock yourselves out!

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/566333/public-servants-views-on-staffing-stress-and-job-satisfaction-revealed-in-new-survey
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July 9, 2025 8:11am
- kowtow
  
  There should have been a section asking how many colleagues have you actually met or know well enough , given so many are ‘working’ cough cough from home.
  
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  July 9, 2025 9:20am
- yobi
  
  The 34% that think they will never get a better job are the 34% that need firing now!
  
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  July 9, 2025 9:28am
cmm

Hypocrisy, claim some.

“The lead manager for alcohol harm reduction at the Public Health Agency is being accused of hypocrisy over organising Friday night drinks for staff.”

He’s in charge of reducing alcohol harm – not in charge of wowserism,

Surely having events where people are socially drinking without going off the rails is perfectly within the goals of alcohol harm reduction. If people are learning from these events then it is that they can have a social time, with booze involved, without the harm.

Sorry, I am failing to see the irony here.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360750968/pretty-ironic-friday-drinks-sessions-organised-senior-health-manager-charge-reducing-alcohol-harm
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July 9, 2025 8:18am
- Mike
  
  Once upon a time every public service workplace had a social club, mandated by management to run events, etc. These inevitably covered rules for alcohol and made responsibilities clear.
  That’s almost completely gone now, and I suspect many agencies would not even have policies covering alcohol in the workplace.
  Uncontrolled drinking in the office presents a high risk of trouble.
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:39am
  - cmm
    
    ” Uncontrolled drinking in the office presents a high risk of trouble.”
    
    Agreed, it is problematic if people have a bottle of vodka on their desk.
    I somewhat struggle to believe this is what was going on here.
    
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    July 9, 2025 10:05am
    - Mike
      
      Yes, most office socializing would be low risk, but my point is that workplaces should think about having sensible rules in place. I have seen the difference between offices with rules and offices without.
      
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      July 9, 2025 10:19am
      - cmm
        
        Nanny knows best!
        
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        July 9, 2025 11:53am
      - SoloView
        
        @ cmm
        
        Toll Australia were nannies.
        When they took over the NZ railways one of the first things they did was ban alcohol (and other recreational drugs) from the workplace.
        
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        July 9, 2025 12:32pm
  - Eastlander
    
    This is where you make your bloomer – you want to regulate the lives of those who need it least. There are those who do need their lives micromanaged for them, but they are mainly to be found in prisons or public housing (but I repeat myself), and I can’t imagine that you would be much use dealing with that sort.
    
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    July 9, 2025 10:16am
  - graham
    
    My current employer (one of the larger banks in NZ) has regular nibbles and drinks events at the corporate offices. Expectations are made very clear, non-alcoholic drinks are served, and I have never heard of any issues.
    
    Most adults are quite capable of behaving responsibly, especially in an office environment where bad behaviour would generally get acted on pretty quickly.
    
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    July 9, 2025 10:28am
    - pdm
      
      graham early 80’s I was in the BNZ.
      
      New Manager arrived at the branch I was in and one of the first things he did was install a beer fridge in his office. Often shouted for `good customers’ and we senior staff enjoyed regular after work shouts too.
      
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      July 9, 2025 12:09pm
      - Jethrod
        
        I have a cousin, who in the 70’s taught at a prominent school in Auckland. He kept a bottle of gin in his briefcase for tastings during the day. Wouldn’t have shared it at all!
        
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        July 9, 2025 12:56pm
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    For once I agree with you Mike and I would go further to say there shouldn’t be any drinking in the office, far too many risks and cellphones. That day has gone. Want a drink after work, go to the pub.
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:41pm
  - rouppe
    
    “These inevitably covered rules for alcohol and made responsibilities clear.”
    
    Doesn’t sit well with
    
    “Uncontrolled drinking in the office presents a high risk of trouble.”
    
    Were there rules, or was it uncontrolled?
    
    In my private sector experience, the Friday social was discontinued because of that harridan called “health and safety”.
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:42pm
    - Mike
      
      To be clearer: having rules means no uncontrolled drinking.
      It’s very easy to get a liquor license for a social club, BTW.
      
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      July 9, 2025 2:27pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Trying to diminish personal responsibility for one of your ideological bed fellows going rogue.
    
    If this was an ACT, NZF or Nat polly you’d be telling us how a ton of bricks needs to descend upon them.
    
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    July 9, 2025 7:44pm
- Taieri
  
  is being accused of hypocrisy over organising Friday night drinks for staff
  ————
  
  One of my previous employers used to organize drug and alcohol seminars for staff. Attendance was compulsory, so I had to join one of these things. It was held in one of Fremantle’s hotels and as befitting such a venue the tables were sagging from the weight of the bottles containing various alcoholic liquids. It was actually quite funny to hear and see the leader of the meeting pontificating on the evils of drinking and then replenishing himself with the said poison. Needless to say, at the end of this wonderful event the attendees were all very merry indeed. Except of yours truly, as I stopped drinking very many moons ago…
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:53am
sungsamning

https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2025/07/07/new-ice-responds-accordingly-and-massively-after-karen-bass-demands-immigration-sweeps-cease-n2191343
New: Federal Agents Respond Accordingly (and Massively) After Karen Bass Demands Immigration Sweeps Cease.
We are with hundreds of federal agents and military as a massive federal immigration enforcement operation is underway in the MacArthur Park area of the sanctuary city of Los Angeles, an area with heavy MS-13 influence. Mayor Bass has demanded raids stop, Feds respond with one of the largest yet, including Border Patrol agents on horseback. Protesters already showing up.
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July 9, 2025 8:29am
- rouppe
  
  It does seem unproductive to me to be rounding up families. Yes they’re undocumented, but are they the problem? I don’t think so.
  
  I still think that pairing deportations with a path to citizenship or permanent residence for the undocumented that have never caused a problem is the better way to go.
  
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  July 9, 2025 1:48pm
sungsamning

https://issuesinsights.com/2025/07/07/have-we-reached-late-stage-climate-hysteria/
Have We Reached Late-Stage Climate Hysteria?
According to Elisa Morgera, the U.N. special rapporteur on climate change, governments should “criminalize misinformation and misrepresentation (greenwashing) by the fossil fuel industry” as well as “criminalize media and advertising firms for amplifying disinformation and misinformation by fossil fuel companies.”
This is disturbing. Who gets to decide what is “disinformation and misinformation”? We’ve already seen, thanks to COVID-19, that the meaning of those words is determined exploitatively by the ruling class and the loudest voices, not by any objective means.
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July 9, 2025 8:29am
- imalwaysright
  
  “criminalize misinformation and misrepresentation (greenwashing) by the fossil fuel industry”
  
  What about “criminalize misinformation and misrepresentation (greenwashing) by the UN, governments, media, and pressure groups” ?
  
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  July 9, 2025 9:23am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep .
    
    It’s well established they used “fear” to ensure compliance for scamvid , they use fear over mother nature’s cyclical climate change ( it is always changing and completely natural) and no doubt over many other aspects of our lives.
    
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    July 9, 2025 9:51am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Those are the groups that will end up deciding what is misinformation and what is not. So I don’t think apply it to them as well would be an improvement, or that they would necessarily object to it.
    
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    July 9, 2025 10:15am
    - imalwaysright
      
      We had those groups during covid.
      They were optimistically named “Fact Checkers”.
      They were groups of about 8 or 10 journalists who took it upon themselves to decide whether doctors, scientists, and professors were telling the facts.
      
      Most of the journalists were, at the least, innumerate, and usually also semi literate.
      
      But, they were called Fact Checkers and therefore they were the gatekeepers of the Narrative.
      
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      July 9, 2025 12:53pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    What about this from Electroverse Substack – is this dis/mis information?
    
    “For decades now, Antarctica —particularly the vast East Antarctic interior— has been cooling, not warming.
    Satellite data (such as the UAH) shows no significant warming trend over the South Pole since records began in 1979, with many regions actually trending colder.
    A 2021 study in Geophysical Research Letters confirmed that East Antarctica has cooled over recent decades. Another paper, published in Nature Climate Change, revealed the South Pole had cooled 0.1C per decade from 1979 to 2018.
    Of course, this ongoing cooling —along with the continent’s stubborn ice gains— contradicts the projections, so it’s ignored.”
    
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    July 9, 2025 11:23am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:

At 8.30am, back to null bikes once more.

A cool, calm, dry morning in the Capital, not bad for cycling, but not yesterday’s stunner.
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July 9, 2025 8:30am
- G152
  
  As is Frankton railway cycle rack…. empty
  
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  July 9, 2025 9:08am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    All those cyclists using the Akld train will be taking their bikes with them, obvs //
    
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    July 9, 2025 10:29am
- [email protected]
  
  Whangarei has at least two sets of bicycle racks (might have more in areas I don’t frequent), each having space for ten bicycles. I’ve never seen a single bike in either rack.
  
  Update: Just read that Wangarei has ten such sets of bicycle racks.
  
  Kensington shops
  Town Basin by The Bach
  Town Basin by Claphams Clock Museum
  Cameron Street canopy
  Central Library
  Old Library
  Lovers Lane / Te Iwitahi (civic centre)
  Pohe Island playground
  Okara Drive near Woolworths
  Semenoff Stadium.
  
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  July 9, 2025 11:09am
Bridgenag

The EU as suicide pact, or: How Germany is slowly dismantling its electrical grid and why the EU won’t let them fix it
The climate insanity is always achieving new heights

‘In response to climatist hysteria, we are doing truly absurd things that would be very bad and that would make no sense even if everything the climatists said were true. All the renewables we are building will have no measurable effect on anything but our wallets. We are risking catastrophic electrical grid failures – the kind of disaster that kills people – for absolutely no reason. And, as always, there is no plan, no justification, just nothing”

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/the-eu-as-suicide-pact-or-how-germany?r=4oxscl&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 9, 2025 8:31am
- JerJer
  
  Yep, the climate cult are stupid. All you need to do is look at the players to determine that. Implementing stupid ideas brought forward by stupid people will always end badly. Kind of like a meth head coming up with the idea that beating his wife and kids and bankrupting their family to further their idiocy. Never seemed to work out. Wonder why.
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:58am
- Chris
  
  I can’t get past the most basic of issue with our current climate alarmism response:
  
  We still have an army of advisers telling the masses that investment in wind and solar will save them $ on their power bill.
  
  Even a cursory examination of the cost stack for new build generation indicates that the more of the above you do the higher the punter’s monthly bill. Yet no one seems to want to discuss that unfortunate truism (apart from Bryan Leyland).
  
  We need to drill/ and or urgently bring in known unutilised gas fields and urgently build new CCGT plant.
  
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  July 9, 2025 2:41pm
Scooter

The poison chalice strikes again. I think any association with the word Kind will be a death knell for those involved.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/lifestyle/auckland-cafe-kind-favoured-by-jacinda-ardern-and-named-for-her-motto-closes/
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July 9, 2025 8:50am
- JerJer
  
  Yep. Falling apart big time. I would have thought all those Jacinda supporters would be there every day. Trouble is, there are not many of them around. They are like TPM supporters now, loud rabble, but few in number. If this cafe is in Auckland I’m surprised it has not gone under earlier after what the princess of kindness did there.
  
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  July 9, 2025 9:01am
  - RoboRob
    
    Depends who you know. I still know plenty of JA supporters, mostly women.
    
    If you count the fact the Hipkins was her right hand man, 29.5% of the population still support him, only 2.5% less then support National.
    
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    July 9, 2025 9:26am
    - JerJer
      
      Strange. I know a lot of people, and I could probably count the number of JA supporters on half of the fingers on one hand now.
      
      I used to know many who used to spout annoying nonsense about how great she was. Many of those people are now simply embarrassed they were taken in and believed the rubbish she talked or are vocal critics of her now that they have seen her for what she really is.
      
      Enjoy your group of JA groupies or get another group I’d say.
      
      PS: The 29% that support Labour are not JA supporters. They are hardcore generational beneficiaries and no hopers that just want the handouts. It is sad that there are so many of them among us.
      
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      July 9, 2025 10:57am
      - kowtow
        
        When one realises how huge the “government” is , in terms of the economy , it is no wonder that so many people ( be they bennies, public servants or indeed the massive numbers of “private ” industry that gets contracts from the taxpayer ) support the left , then it becomes clear why their support is so “resilient”.
        
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        July 9, 2025 11:43am
rjay

Simon Wilson appears to be arguing for Muldoonist price controls this morning. His column praises the Democrats New York candidate and urges our Labour Party to follow suit. He says to look to Bolivia as a model government.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-rise-of-a-new-york-socialist-and-the-challenge-to-labour-here/TP7KMWWTWNFOTBYWI3SK2NENLY/
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July 9, 2025 9:00am
- James Stephenson
  
  I recommend that the National Party look a bit further South.
  
  In Argentina, Milei abolished rent controls with the result that (off memory) rental supply in Buenos Aires increased by 300% and rents fell by 60%. He slashed government spending, binning useless departments, resulting in far lower inflation and increased economic growth (bearing in mind that GDP includes government spending, so modest overall growth means massive private sector increases if government is shrinking).
  
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  July 9, 2025 9:30am
  - RoboRob
    
    Milei has the country behind him and the will to make un popular decisions that are for the long termbenefit of the country.
    
    National had the country behind them in the first year of government and most were willing to accept major change, as the country was on the ropes. National did not take advantage. Now we are in the second half of their term, what little desire to make major changes is gone and we are resolved to ‘Supermarket studdies, and plans to implement strategies’. Out government has chosen to actually increase government spending and borrowing.
    
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    July 9, 2025 9:56am
  - Mike
    
    Rent controls have a well-studied effect of decreasing housing supply.
    
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    July 9, 2025 10:21am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      You got that right. Well done. Keep it up.
      
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      July 9, 2025 8:41pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Paywalled.
  
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  July 9, 2025 9:39am
  - kowtow
    
    Believe me you’re not missing a thing.
    
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    July 9, 2025 9:52am
- AndyW
  
  The herald quickly removed the comments option..I opined that Simon had obviously been drinking the Kool-Aid, again.
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:11am
- MCōs
  
  He actually said re Bolivia
  “Countries as varied as Brazil, Norway, Slovakia, Spain, Bolivia and Tanzania, among many others, have governments on the left.”
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:12am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Simon Wilson needs to be ‘retired’ by the NZH. He is a sad little man that cannot get over the fact that Labour were thrown out of government. He is clearly way too biased (left leaning) and therefore I rarely read anything he writes.
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:47am
  - marcw
    
    I disagree, we should always surround ourselves with alternative opinions. Even if it only for us to know “thy enemy” and their plans, and maybe have the opportunity to respond and/or mock. This is where the Herald’s problem is apparent – they suppress responses. There’s nothing worse than an echo chamber of sycophantic opinion writers or yes men to stifle thinking around alternatives.
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:24pm
RoboRob

In a stunning example of politicians saying what they know people want to hear while actively doing the exact opposite. We have Phil Mauger CHCH mayor.

July 8
He now publicly supports capped rates.

Willis says
“We want councils focusing on the things people expect them to do, which is the rubbish, the roads, the pipes, the basics – and not all the fanciful projects.”

Mauger told RNZ he could not agree more.

“We need to be stronger around the council table to say what’s basics. Now … someone’s basic might be someone else’s must have … but it’s good to have rates caps. I feel it’s good. I really do.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-christchurch/mauger-supports-govt-capped-rates-rise

Great. Nice words, no action but sounds good.

However also

July 8

Mayor Phil Mauger has walked back his short-lived opposition to a study into whether a free central city shuttle should return to Christchurch, saying he made a mistake.

It comes weeks after he and council colleagues committed up to $200,000 to investigate resurrecting the service, known before the Canterbury earthquakes as the “yellow bus”.

https://www.thepress.co.nz/nz-news/360749202/mistaken-mayor-backs-central-city-shuttle-study-again

Actions speak much louder then words Phil. $200,000 to investigate re implementing the ‘free’ bus.

Is the free bus a core service phil?
$200,000 just for the study, WTF

We all know the ‘study’ will recommend the resurrection and the council will get the ‘proof’ it needs to do what they want to do and their consultant mates will get a nice back hander.
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July 9, 2025 9:02am
- PurplePen
  
  They could have just implemented the free bus for as long as $200k would run and then made a decision based on its usage and a few other simple measures.
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:56am
  - RoboRob
    
    Or looked at the previous report they used to justify the first implementation of the free bus. Its not like this is a new plan.
    
    Lets face it, with rates rising far faster then inflation, this sort of thing should be off the table regardlesss.
    
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    July 9, 2025 11:33am
Maggy Wassilieff

Be Kind…

How nice to know that our fellow citizens were watching out for us…

Deckert said 63,000 lockdown breaches were reported to police by citizens during levels two, three and four.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/566364/some-people-with-disabilities-still-terrified-of-leaving-their-homes-after-covid-discrimination
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July 9, 2025 9:03am
- Mike
  
  Not much point in implementing lockdowns and quarantines without enforcement.
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:23am
  - imalwaysright
    
    If Ardern had asked for neighbourhood firing squads to execute the non-compliant, there would have been nationwide waiting lists.
    
    A shameful and telling time in our history.
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:01pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      And there would have been plenty of curtain twitchers dobbing in thought-criminals to be shot.
      
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      July 9, 2025 8:43pm
  - Wandering Star
    
    Not much point in implementing lock downs and quarantines period.
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:31pm
  - rouppe
    
    Yes, suspending democracy and becoming a dictator is usually accompanied by increased state enforcement
    
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    July 9, 2025 2:02pm
- graham
  
  Given the stories that are coming out, one would imagine that the Prime Minister at the time who was responsible for implementing these lockdowns should be required to front up and at least attempt to explain her side of the story.
  
  It appears that one would most likely be disappointed.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/no-jacinda-ardern-hasnt-been-asked-to-appear-before-the-covid-royal-commission/IPVSKO6UB5AH7A44B3D7YWPCZE/
  
  Former Prime Minister Dame Jacinda Ardern has not been formally asked to appear before stage 2 of the Royal Commission Inquiry into Covid-19.
  
  A statement from the inquiry confirmed no decision had been made about who would appear at August hearings, expected to feature “key decision makers and senior public servants”.
  
  Key decision makers such as, oh I don’t know, the Prime Minister for example?
  
  The statement from the inquiry suggested it would be unlikely to force Ardern to appear, noting its terms of reference “require the inquiry to take a non-adversarial approach to its work”.
  
  Most people would agree that the lockdowns and vaccine mandates were pretty “adversarial” – “Get the vaccine or say goodbye to your rights, your job, your friends” – even if they supported them. And now we hear they have led to our most vulnerable people feeling ostracised from society even today. But no, let’s “be kind” and “non-adversarial“.
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:40am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I expect the enquiry will ‘decide’ (be told by someone) not to ask Jacinda to appear, because if she was asked and refused, it would look bad for her. Jacinda will in the future then be able to say she would of fronted up if they had asked her (and of course would then be seen as the ever so nice, kind and caring and willing to appear and take responsibility).
    
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    July 9, 2025 11:45am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Graham
    It seems that the Royal Commission have chosen to misinterpret the term “non-adversarial”.
    
    It is intended to mean that witnesses and participants aren’t going to be cross examined by a lawyer with a contrary view.
    
    They have chosen it to mean that all attendance is voluntary and compelling key players to attend would be to upset or traumatise them and therefore could be considered the behaviour of an adversary.
    
    At least I hope they have deliberately misinterpreted it. Worse case is that they genuinely are ignorant.
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:15pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  NZ Stasi
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:42pm
imalwaysright

Hastings council proposal to instal wastewater services to maori housing development gets septic reception:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/wastewater-pipe-proposal-under-clive-river-withdrawn-amid-opposition/CUTRDFCXSNEFDGD4RBLTD33FNU/
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July 9, 2025 9:05am
- pdm
  
  Septic Tank for each property seems the logical answer.
  
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  July 9, 2025 11:18am
  - artemisia
    
    Yes, seems obvious. Ratepayers will have to watch closely for signs they will be expecting to pay for installation and maintenance for ever. And put their collective foot down. Hard.
    
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    July 9, 2025 11:45am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Yes, that’s what they are using, but more new houses are being built and so justifies the pipe. But it looks like they will be on individual tanks.
    Very shortsighted.
    
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    July 9, 2025 11:57am
RoboRob

National continues is diligent work on righting the ship following Labours disastrous term.

In exciting news the excellent and much lauded, Dr Shane Reti has announced a plan to implement an AI strategy. The great news is that he has already determined that ‘AI could add $76 billion to New Zealand’s GDP by 2038’.

It is lucky that we have such talented MPs capable of identifying the outcomes of a strategy that doesn’t yet exist, but they do plan to make. If we still had the Labour government they would be making up numbers that sound exact (76 not 75 or 80) and then pinning them to a date so far in the future the outcome is irrelevant. In a surprise coincidence Dr Reti will be 80 in 2038.

In other news Dr Reti remains confident in the performance of the department of statistics following their decision they not longer have the ability to run a census .
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July 9, 2025 9:15am
- imalwaysright
  
  How can the projections of increased wealth by using AI be justified ?
  
  Presumably all countries have the same access to AI as we do, therefore negating its value as a competitive edge.
  
  It could in fact end up eroding our existing advantages in primary production by helping our markets increase their own domestic efficiency.
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:54am
Ghost

Lucky she wasn’t the justice minister, oh wait

Police allege former Justice Minister Kiri Allan was “verbally abusive”, told officers that charging her was a “political stunt” and demanded a court summons “disappear”, while under arrest for suspected drink-driving, The Post can reveal.

They also allege Allan said words to the effect that “she wrote the law”, while being transported to the police station after crashing into a parked truck in suburban Wellington on the evening of July 23, 2023.

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Strange, she wrote the laws, but I guess she didn’t understand them.
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July 9, 2025 9:46am
- kowtow
  
  ‘Strange, she wrote the laws, but I guess she didn’t understand them.’
  
  They do understand them .
  
  The difference is the Elites believe they don’t apply to themselves , only to us Plebs .
  
  No Kings!
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:37am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  As Minister of Justice, she in some respects embodies the rule of law, which makes the whole episode particularly egregious.
  
  It’s the equivalent of the Minister of Conservation being done for shooting native birds.
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:38am
  - kowtow
    
    nmtb
    
    The rule of law is not really about legislation /regulations/ ministers .
    
    It’s a principle of democracy , at its most basic level is actually concerned with accountability of our officials / elected representatives to us the people.
    
    In a real sense she was embodying the idea that as a senior official she was the law ( no kings!) or indeed above the law.
    
    These are egregious breaches of the very notions of democracy , accountablity , indeed the rule of law.
    
    Funny coming from people who demand the non existent “principles” of the treaty be respected / codified / entrenched but when push comes to shove insist they are above the actual , real and very definite laws of the land ( and making her minions , sworn to uphold the law , very hard).
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:03pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Clearly this actually was a police operational matter, yet Coster rang the PM Hipkins to discuss how to handle her.
  
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  July 9, 2025 12:00pm
- Swifty
  
  Nor did she follow them.
  
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  July 9, 2025 12:06pm
Yvette

A Māori worldview describes the immune system as a guardian – this could improve public health in Aotearoa NZ

Te pūnaha awhikiri responds not only to pathogens or physical threats, but to disconnection, breach of tapu and the lingering effects of cultural trauma. Healing, therefore, is not just a return to physical wellness but a return to relationships. It is an embrace of the people, places and practices that keep us whole.
Te pūnaha awhikiri offers a cultural narrative that unifies numerous strands of mātauranga Māori with science. These ideas affirm Māori ways of knowing, using concepts that reflect inter-connectedness and ancestral insight. They invite understanding of health not as mechanistic, but as a dynamic state of tautika between multiple dimensions.
This opens space for blending Indigenous knowledge and science, supporting inclusive dialogue about different ways of reaching Te Ao Mārama – enlightenment.
https://theconversation.com/a-maori-worldview-describes-the-immune-system-as-a-guardian-this-could-improve-public-health-in-aotearoa-nz-259025?

I would have thought if the whole article, of which the above is just the concluding sentences, was truly valid, it would have been been widely publicised, with a return of true half hour, to hour long, investigative documentaries on State television and health websites at least, in the face of the real test of a real pandemic, such as covid – which wiped out many in France and Italy in intergenerational living, or the Hawaiians and Pacific Islander populations in Los Angeles – or the decimation of Maori health that European contact initially delivered.
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July 9, 2025 9:52am
- Don Beckett
  
  Sounds like a rash of gobble-de-gook bullshit to me.
  
  Of course the western medical science cannot compete with Te pūnaha awhikiri //
  
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  July 9, 2025 11:36am
  - Yvette
    
    The point was of course, if this te pūnaha awhikiri offered a cultural narrative that unifies numerous strands of mātauranga Māori with science, why was it not to the fore of the $900+ spent on Maori defence against covid?
    
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    July 9, 2025 3:46pm
- Swifty
  
  I’ll believe it when they’ve tested it in the Hadron Collider.
  
  Let’s put it to the test…..
  
  😃
  
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  July 9, 2025 12:04pm
Swifty

George Janis talking sense:

https://x.com/betterwgtn/status/1942637304264417371?s=46
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July 9, 2025 10:22am
Burtland

Ngai Tahu about to go into the de-extinction business – who owns the genes?

“The research will actually benefit Māori economically in creating a vast ecological reserve on Māori land where moa are actually are able to be seen.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/566386/sir-peter-jackson-backs-project-to-bring-back-extinct-moa
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July 9, 2025 10:33am
- cmm
  
  Funny how “humans drove the moa to extinction”, but bringing them back will be a Maori enterprise.
  
  One of the big challenges is surely to find a genetic surrogate (something sufficiently close in both genes and size).
  
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  July 9, 2025 12:06pm
  - mandk
    
    But don’t forget that kaitiakitanga is another aspect of Māori wonderfulness.
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:23pm
  - Jack5
    
    Canterbury Museum, which is seeking $50 million of public money for redevelopment, is part of the project.
    
    The RNZ report also notes:
    
    Ngai Tahu Research Centre would effectively be like a board of directors for the project.
    
    AND
    
    Ngai Tahu Research Centre would be the owners of the moa and would have a full input into everything being done.
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:47pm
    - Jack5
      
      Colossal Sciences, the genetics company in the moa project, is known for projects that include “de-extincting” the woolly mammoth and the Tasmanian tiger.
      
      Billionaire entrepreneur Ben Lamm and geneticist George Church founded the company in 2021.
      
      The company, based in Dallas, raised $US435 million in its latest funding round. Individuals who have invested in it include, as well as Peter Jackson, Paris Hilton and American football quarterback Tom Brady.
      
      Colossal Science claims on its web site that it has a valuation of $US10.2 billion after the latest funding round,which was led by Chicago conglomerate TWG Global. It does not explain how it reaches the valuation amount.
      
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      July 9, 2025 2:53pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It appears they originate from South American and/or Australian genetic relatives (perhaps getting to what is now NZ millions of years ago by some kind of land connection that no longer exists).
    
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    July 9, 2025 8:58pm
- imalwaysright
  
  “…but also they won’t be de-extincting a moa, they’ll be creating a genetically engineered emu” -Article
  
  What about using the technology and the money to bring back the dead infants that have been murdered in NZ.
  
  I would rather see a healthy baby than a shaggy emu.
  
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  July 9, 2025 1:34pm
  - Jack5
    
    Have the Catholic Church, other churches, other religions decided how they will stand in relation to cloned humans?
    
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    July 9, 2025 2:55pm
  - Mike
    
    Resurrecting the dead could be problematic.
    
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    July 9, 2025 3:17pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Maoris never owned the moas. They were here for millions of years before the Maoris turned up very recently and extincted them.
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:48pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

How exactly does a nurse break her ankle at work, in a hospital?

I am ever so slightly dubious that the event in question happened at work.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/566356/waitakere-nurse-finished-shift-with-fractured-ankle-because-there-was-no-one-to-cover-her
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July 9, 2025 10:35am
- cmm
  
  There are various degrees of “broken”.
  
  A minor fracture that you can limp on is still broken, but might just seem slightly sprained.
  
  Last time I broke my leg (7 years ago) the GP couldn’t see the fracture on an X-ray, but an orthopedic surgeon noticed it). That was a slight fracture up the length of the bone that could only just be observed by very keen eyes. The GP said it was sprained and sent me home, the orthopedic surge called me back in and put it in a cast for 6 weeks.
  
  That was very different to the time I broke the same leg 50 years previously when the bone was bust into two obvious pieces.
  
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  July 9, 2025 12:13pm
- mandk
  
  The article makes clear that she is a district nurse, so she might well have broken her ankle while she was out on the road.
  
  Besides, it’s not inconceivable that she could have broken her ankle while in a hospital, e.g. tripping while taking the stairs from one floor to another, or stumbling over one bit of equipment or another.
  
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  July 9, 2025 1:19pm
Liberty

Finally, a judge with courage has imposed a jail sentence on a shoplifter. For too long, the Police and, in particular, the justice system have been enabling professional thieves. Many of the stolen items are valued below insurance excess fees, meaning the retailer ultimately bears the cost. It’s also encouraging to see that the government is finally taking shop theft seriously. Setting clear boundaries is essential. This approach will only be practical if the government remains resolute and acts on the retail industry’s long-standing calls for stronger measures. Once judges are given more authority, they must use that power wisely, rather than hiding behind a misguided “be kind” agenda.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360748455/prolific-shoplifter-says-jail-sentence-too-harsh-judge-disagrees
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July 9, 2025 12:07pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Heather DPA on Newstalk this morning was telling the story of several mongrel mob members surrounding a rival gangs car at a roundabout and seriously assulting them and no one got jail time!!!!!
  
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  July 9, 2025 12:25pm
  - Ghost
    
    They’ve changed……,
    
    Or more to the point, stupid judge
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:26pm
    - greybeard
      
      Or even more to the point, the judge and/or his family were threatened by the gang and had to give only home-D.
      Not stupid – scared.
      
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      July 9, 2025 2:08pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Bobba
    
    Tut tut, You should know that there is no law on our books that covers “several mongrel mob members surrounding a rival gangs car at a roundabout and seriously assaulting them”.
    
    This will require a new law to be passed…
    
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    July 9, 2025 1:39pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘meaning the retailer ultimately bears the cost. ‘
  
  If I might , ultimately every consumer bears the cost as you can be sure retail will factor these costs into the sticker price.
  
  All these hug a crim types who say retail crime is some kind of petty , inconseqential thing are Class A Idiots or and/or extremists like the Greens , Maori party and Labour types. ( remember labour wanted to empty the prisons)
  
  We all pay . And if it gets bad enough shops will shut , jobs and livlihoods will be lost and cities and towns will suffer . We all lose.
  
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  July 9, 2025 12:55pm
  - Liberty
    
    “retail will factor these costs into the sticker price.”
    Thats a myth to start with.
    In the real world of retailing, prices are set by demand and competition.
    The retailer can’t add on a extra 10-20% just in case they get shoplifted.
    
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    July 9, 2025 2:20pm
    - kowtow
      
      So operational “costs” don’t factor at all .
      
      pfft .
      
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      July 9, 2025 4:14pm
- cmm
  
  Why didn’t she just say that a conviction would interfere with her future career? Worked for GG.
  
  I doubt most retail businesses would have low excesses below a few thousand bucks, and, likely, they would be paid the cost of goods to the business and not retail.
  Those $1430 of sunglasses are probably less than half that wholesale.
  
  Setting the right excess is a balancing act. Untimately you’d pay more in premiums for a lower excess so it just isn’t worth all the drama to be making claims below many thousand $.
  
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  July 9, 2025 1:16pm
- R
  
  Judges have had more than sufficient authority to impose legislated in sentences on shoplifters since time immemorial. What makes you think that judges are going to start dispensing justice now, they are part of our law and disorder social problem. Too much cool-aide consumed.
  
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  July 9, 2025 1:33pm
Hugh Jarse

I see Hipkins is busying trying to destroy the credibility of the Covid inquiry by aligning all submitters with the same views as Liz Gunn and Brian Tamaki.

Bad luck Chris, most people don’t need to subscribe to what may be a more extremism view to see the Covid response administered by you and your government was badly flawed.

You and your ministerial colleagues were responsible for the response, you were very happy to parade yourselves as world leading then, now front up and answer the questions that remain either unanswered, partly answered or Labour facts.
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July 9, 2025 12:12pm
- Wandering Star
  
  What’s wrong with Liz Gunn’s and Brian Tamaki’s views on events surrounding Covid?
  
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  July 9, 2025 1:35pm
  - Mike
    
    Apart from being complete bullshit? Nothing.
    
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    July 9, 2025 3:15pm
    - Wandering Star
      
      What precisely about their views is “complete bullshit”?
      
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      July 9, 2025 6:30pm
- R
  
  ………and convince your mentor leader to return to NZ and take the ‘due justice’ medicine which is so deservedly due to her.
  
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  July 9, 2025 1:36pm
  - MCōs
    
    Good news, R
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-royal-commission-jacinda-ardern-says-she-will-provide-evidence/TZNOJKCSGRHLTMZCXVX3MRWZ2M/
    
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    July 9, 2025 8:48pm
Ghost

Outrage ensued following a stunning report claimed the Justice Department and FBI are concluding that disgraced financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein did not hold a ‘client list’ and did kill himself in prison.

Among the top critics is billionaire Elon Musk who said the memo published by Axios on Sunday night is the ‘final straw.’

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I wouldn’t be surprised to see a list leak out before the end of July.
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- Mike
  
  Only two possibilities:
  1. There is no list
  2. There is a list, prominently featuring one Donald J Trump
  
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  July 9, 2025 1:45pm
  - rouppe
    
    What does the ‘client’ in client list even mean? Or is that a made up term so that it can be used when referring to people you don’t like?
    
    There is a list of people who have ever been at an Epstein party, it will include Trump, because we’ve all seen photos of Trump with Epstein.
    
    Is will also include Bill and Hillary Clinton. Prince Andrew.
    David Copperfield, American stage magician
    John Connelly, New York police detective turned investigative journalist who investigated Epstein
    Alan Dershowitz, prolific lawyer
    Leonardo DiCaprio, actor famous for his roles in Titanic
    Al Gore, former US vice president
    Stephen Hawking, renowned theoretical physicist
    Ehud Barak, former Israeli prime minister
    Michael Jackson, famed musician known as the “King of Pop”
    Marvin Minksy, artificial intelligence pioneer
    Kevin Spacey, American actor
    George Lucas, American film director
    Jean Luc Brunel, French model agency boss
    Cate Blanchett, Australian actor
    Naomi Campbell, British model
    Sharon Churcher, British journalist
    Bruce Willis, retired American actor
    Bill Richardson, former governor of New Mexico
    Cameron Diaz, American actress
    Glenn Dubin, American investor
    Eva Andersson-Dubin, former Miss Sweden and wife of Glenn Dubin
    Noam Chomsky, linguist and political philosopher
    Tom Pritzker, American tycoon and philanthropist
    Chris Tucker, American comedian and actor
    Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, former wife of Prince Andrew
    
    And others.
    
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    July 9, 2025 2:31pm
  - RoboRob
    
    ‘2. There is a list, prominently featuring one Donald J Trump’
    
    If there was a list featuring one Donald J Trump do you really think Biden would have kept it quiet when he controlled the DOJ?
    
    There are many rumors and conspiracy theories but that one is the dumbest.
    
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    July 9, 2025 2:32pm
    - Mike
      
      Yep. There is no list. But if there were one, you know who would be at the top:
      “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
      
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      July 9, 2025 3:14pm
  - Ghost
    
    Or a third option that many including Tucker have raised. It implicates intelligence agencies
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCCQzXmSk8w
    
    We can just add this to the jfk files that still haven’t been released.
    
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    July 9, 2025 6:58pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    No possibility that many big shots simply went there to lounge about with other big shots on a tropical island? How do we know that everyone who went there was messing with underage girls???? It appears many big shot females went there also.
    
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    July 9, 2025 9:03pm
Ghost

What the hell. Who adds paint to food in a bid to attract students……

More than 200 kindergarten students were found to have abnormally high levels of lead in their blood after the school added paint to their food, authorities in northwest China reported.

State broadcaster CCTV, citing a police official, said the school in Gansu province added the paint to try to attract more students and increase revenue. CCTV obtained and posted online the full text of an investigation by the province and city.

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July 9, 2025 2:30pm
- Swifty
  
  Mind-boggling.
  
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  July 9, 2025 2:49pm
- rangitoto
  
  They do weird stuff over there. One thing I read about was painting dead grass green to make it look good to visiting CCP officials.
  
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  July 9, 2025 3:37pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Very likely why many Chinese people import baby formula and other food from western countries. Remember the fake eggs? How about the 20 year old frozen meat being sold? Heard of “gutter oil”?
  
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  July 9, 2025 9:06pm
Swifty

More Islamic evil-doing in the British media:

https://www.gbnews.com/news/muslim-council-media-monitoring-unit-press-freedom

Exactly how British society has benefitted from Islamic migration over the last 40 years escapes me.

Multi-culturalism has been a giant failure with respect to Islam.

We must not tolerate the intolerant.
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July 9, 2025 2:49pm
Bobba Fret

Even Paddy Gower thinks Jacinda should appear at the Covid enquiry and answer questions!!!
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July 9, 2025 3:09pm
- MCōs
  
  Good news, Gower
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-royal-commission-jacinda-ardern-says-she-will-provide-evidence/TZNOJKCSGRHLTMZCXVX3MRWZ2M/
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:52pm
Chuck Bird

David Seymour co-hosts The Country with Jamie Mackay. It is worth a listen.

The Country Full Show: Wednesday, July 9, 2025<

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1049-the-country-28628176/episode/the-country-full-show-wednesday-july-284962986/
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July 9, 2025 3:09pm
Swifty

The left never builds, all it does is destroy:

https://x.com/nzfirst/status/1942768978419761495?s=46
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July 9, 2025 3:23pm
Swifty

They’ve missed one – the massive value destruction in the NZ news media industry as companies both publicly and privately-owned have singularly failed to respond effectively to the advent of the online world:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360751174/look-back-new-zealands-biggest-financial-fails

Owing media companies used to be a license to print money – now they scramble to the government for subsidies and protections and willingly accept political bribes a la PIJF.

So inept.
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July 9, 2025 4:07pm
- Jack5
  
  Swifty, Sinead Boucher bought Stuff for one dollar and looks as though she’s going to turn the best part into part-owner of a digital publisher, substantial on NZ’s scale.
  
  Subsidies and perhaps a big secret backer have helped keep Stuff afloat, but Boucher showed nerve and intelligence in keeping the traditional side of Stuff alive on a wish and a prayer while moving into digital and finding a partner for this in TradeMe’s owner.
  
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  July 9, 2025 10:25pm
Sponge

Golriz in the news again.

I know who I believe!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-k-rd-restaurant-atelier-defends-poor-treatment-allegations-from-ex-mp-golriz-ghahraman/5JGNXLAZTVCHFKDAGT2YLOGVTM/
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July 9, 2025 4:24pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  I can’t believe she is not embarrassed to be seen in public.
  
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  July 9, 2025 4:47pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    No shame
    
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    July 9, 2025 8:53pm
- mandk
  
  Did she ask them if they knew who she is?
  
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  July 9, 2025 4:49pm
  - David Garrett
    
    mandk: Now just a doggone minute here! This poor woman suffers from – inter alia – complex PTSD – not just common or garden PTSD – as a result of her exposure to the Iran-Iraq war in the “80’s – despite her being about 150 ks away from the action…she deserves our sympathy! Don’t be so unkind!
    
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    July 9, 2025 6:47pm
- Sponge
  
  And I hope she paid for her (many by the sound of it) drinks before they kicked her sorry arse out!
  
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  July 9, 2025 6:02pm
  - Ghost
    
    How’s an unemployed girl meant to pay…….
    
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    July 9, 2025 6:10pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Sponge: Paid? What do you mean paid?? She is a victim, and entitled to be treated as such.
    
    Seriously though…The fact that she attracts so much negative publicity from those who would normally be extremely sympathetic and supportive surely speaks volumes??
    
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    July 9, 2025 6:50pm
- rouppe
  
  Wearing the Keffiyeh should be enough to be booted. Interesting spelling and that it was passed off as traditional head wear, when it has nothing to do with pasifika, and is these days a symbol of your antisemitism
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360752195/auckland-restaurant-rejects-golriz-ghahramans-accusation-hostility#:~:text=Pasifika%20man%20being%20jovial%20but%20softly%20spoken%20and%20calm%20and%20wearing%20kuffieyeh
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:48pm
Ghost

Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth…..

Dame Jacinda Ardern says she will provide evidence to assist the Royal Commission of Inquiry into the Covid-19 response.

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I swear to tell my truth, but it’s been so long ago I might not remember
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July 9, 2025 4:25pm
- PeterTrentham
  
  Everyone is entitled to her opinion.
  
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  July 9, 2025 5:13pm
- PurplePen
  
  Well, if Ardern has said she’ll provide evidence, then Hipkins can hardly deflect and dance on the head of a pin as he has when asked. Mind you, the Stuff article says she’s agreed to “give evidence”. That could just mean providing a written statement at the least.
  
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  July 9, 2025 5:25pm
- rouppe
  
  The hearings aren’t inquisitorial in the slightest. I honestly can’t see the point of having her simply spout her justifications, which will resolve around “science led”, “safe and effective”, “80,000 lives saved”, etc etc.
  
  It will reveal nothing.
  
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  July 9, 2025 8:52pm
Ghost

Havent heard about Golriz for a while

Former Green Party MP Golriz Ghahraman has taken to social media to call out an Auckland restaurant she alleges subjected her dining group to “gross treatment” and cancelled their booking midway through.

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July 9, 2025 4:29pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Having personal experience of seeing Golriz pissed as a newt and effing and blinding in the Old Bailey in Wellington a few years ago I have no difficulty in believing excessive drinking and boorish behaviour by her might have contributed to or initiated this incident.
  
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  July 9, 2025 5:27pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Pity it wasn’t the Old Bailey in London. Justice so and so would have sent her down for a stretch.
    
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    July 9, 2025 6:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh FFS..
  
  No establishment is going to biff out paying cu$tomer$ if they don’t have to.
  
  Perhaps G.G. needs to spend time with real working folk and discover the shit hospo employees put up with on a daily basis.
  
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  July 9, 2025 5:50pm
  - Sponge
    
    Thats exactly why her lame excuse doesn’t pass the sniff test!
    
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    July 9, 2025 6:03pm
Northshoredoc

I was in front of the TV with her indoors when an add for ‘the casketeers travelling the world’ came on.

I commented that I hoped their holidays weren’t funded by the taxpayer ..

https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/search/?search_type=decisions&q=casketeers

770k rort on the NZ taxpayers !

What a sick and pathetic country NZ has become.
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July 9, 2025 6:25pm
- Ghost
  
  Casketeers was a popular show in nz and overseas. This season got $1.5 million in funding that came from a $6.5 million nz on air fund for Māori projects in 2023.
  
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  July 9, 2025 6:43pm
Swifty

I see Grok has gone rogue today.
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July 9, 2025 7:14pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Apparently one employee screwed up with the coding.
  
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  July 9, 2025 9:12pm
Ghost

I read an article yesterday about the current select committee hearings, then today’s story about Golriz

Interesting way they report two former mp’s, one who was caught shoplifting

and disgraced former Green MP Darleen Tana.

Article

Former Green Party MP Golriz Ghahraman

Article

I don’t know, but I kind of think someone deserves the disgraced tittle as well
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July 9, 2025 9:02pm
Jack5

Internet bullshit about NZ …

A “short” video on Youtube says the New Zealand Government is offering up to $US600,000 to people to “relocate” to this country. If they go to the South Island, it says, the Government will pay them a living allowance of $US5000 a month.

Is Trump trying to divert to the Pacific the horde who want to across the US southern border?

https://youtube.com/shorts/4Z0q6aGu2Y8?si=u-Q8j2c7aEax2i-S
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  Oh damn, I was going to move to Aotearoa then apply to move back to the South Island for all that money.
  
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