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Cassandra

Dr Jen Purdie , from the Sustainability Department at Otago University, is opposed to the Jones Plan to overturn the Captain: “Fossil fuels MUST stay in the ground.”
“We’ve known for some time that remaining fossil fuels must stay in the ground to meet the Paris Agreement goal of keeping the world below 2°C above pre-industrial temperatures, and to enable us to continue to have a liveable planet.”

Her PhD was completed in 2007 and involved seasonal forecasting of hydro lake inflows in the Waitaki catchment.

So she’s a hydrologist and sees herself as an expert on oil? And she thinks fossil fuels will stay in the ground? I don’t need a PhD to tell her that she’s dreaming. India and Australia will dig coal, Saudi Arabia and Russia will pump oil and America will squeeze shale until it all runs out in a hundred years or more. And so should New Zealand.

And Dr Purdie will continue to use fossil fuels as she heats her home and travels to work (and no doubt to conferences to meet with the like-minded).

She should stick to her specialty of water. I wonder what she thinks of nuclear? NB we are paying her salary, in one of those “FFS” moments.
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August 2, 2025 8:01am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  “Sustainability Department”?
  
  Why is that even an academic role?
  
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  August 2, 2025 8:23am
  - R
    
    Because there needs to be some academic place for all those with basket weaving degrees to congregate
    
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    August 2, 2025 10:34am
  - Paulus
    
    It means that she will continue to be paid sustainably !
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:15am
- Taieri
  
  India and Australia will dig coal
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  She should stick to her specialty of water.
  
  India has achieved a momentous milestone in coal production, surpassing one billion tonnes (BT) on March 20, 2025, in the fiscal year 2024-25.
  
  https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=2113669
  
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  August 2, 2025 8:31am
- CJames
  
  Yet another academic who believe that because they have a PhD in one subject, that expertise is for everything. Why they don’t make good politicians or industry leaders. They do not understand how to balance competing interests.
  
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  August 2, 2025 8:37am
  - G152
    
    PHD could in this case mean a dementia excuse
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:07am
    - Boy Geoff
      
      Piled high & deep!
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:35am
  - balanced
    
    It’s not only “social science” academics who are useless….
    
    Professor Robert MacCulloch: Low Productivity in New Zealand
    
    Is Productivity Low in NZ not because of the Government but because our Big Business CEO’s and Corporate Boards are so Utterly Useless.
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:08am
    - R
      
      No. We have a low level of productivity because there are too many CEO’s,Managers and factory floor employees with no work ethic
      
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      August 2, 2025 10:37am
    - Jack5
      
      No, NZ productivity is low because of the sort of industries we have.
      
      Horticulture — labour intensive; meat processing — labour intensive; tourism highly labour intensive.
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:37am
      - balanced
        
        There are some excellent nz productive businesses (XERO, TRADEME).
        
        The problem I see is the established “easy money” cartel companies aren’t meritocracies and therefore are run poorly.
        
        Nicola Wilis and Todd Muller held management poaitions in nz cartel companies, but were both cruelly exposed when cast into the public eye.
        
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        August 2, 2025 1:03pm
      - artemisia
        
        The first 2 -hort and meat – are increasingly using smart robotics to supplement human effort.
        
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        August 2, 2025 1:21pm
  - Paulus
    
    Is she any different to what we have been seeing in recent years, whereby some of these well paid University people know it all.
    Any University who take on Grant Roberston, probably New Zeland’s worse Finance Minister want their brains retested.
    But for Robertson at some $800,00 a year he would accpt that’s cheap buy off.
    I am assuming that Dr Purdue is typical of today’s women experts, accepting that they know everything.
    Helen Clark told them so.
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:36am
- kowtow
  
  What is it about “academics” and their totally out of touch with reality world.
  Another Otago one is Robert Patman , media go to guy on international relations , whose favourite mantra seems to be the “international rules based order”.
  
  Well there isn’t one , there’s no such thing.
  
  Israel is still under missile attack from Yemen , terrorists have raped , murdered mutilated and kidnapped her citizens and countries which have been subject to decades of “Palestinian” terrorism ( who pretend there is an international rules based order) are now about to reward terrorism with ‘recognition’.
  
  What a farce.
  
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  August 2, 2025 8:45am
  - Wandering Star
    
    Israel was rewarded with statehood in 1948, despite the decades leading up to that point being characterised by Jewish terrorist groups perpetrating terror campaigns against the Arabs and the British (to get them out), and even against fellow Jews throughout the Middle East (to get them to come to nascent Israel).
    
    All of this is documented fact, yet you somehow believe similar recognition of Palestine despite similar behaviour is beyond the pale?
    
    Just admit it: you don’t care what Jews or Israel does no matter how egregious because you think anything they do is justified, while you think the opposite is true of anyone opposing Israel because you think any opposition to Israel is illegitimate.
    
    Such honesty would actually be commendable.
    
    This is parochial absolutism is really what underlies almost all pro-Zionism, but because this is such a Nietzschean, Will to Power attitude that many find off-putting, you have to wrap it up in completely implausible moral arguments.
    
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    August 2, 2025 10:26am
    - Ra Henare
      
      [Mod – just debate the issues, we don’t need a run down on what you think of members here]
      
      As to Kowtows
      terrorists have raped , murdered mutilated and kidnapped her citizens
      
      Would have you believe that this is endemic when it was a few hours in the ongoing clash between the peoples since 1948
      BOTH SIDES have
      have raped , murdered mutilated and kidnapped each others citizens
      
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      August 2, 2025 2:48pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Sorry Mod.
        I just meant to say that giving facts and logical reasoning to ideologues is a waste of time. They will not change their views.
        
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        August 2, 2025 5:55pm
  - Jack5
    
    At least Patman isn’t part of Otago University’s department that can take you up to a Ph.D. in peace and conflict studies.
    
    Remember when “war” broke out within Otago’s peace studies department:
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/campus/peace-being-outweighed-conflict
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:23am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Kawtow, Israel under Netanyahu is committing war crimes. Netanyahu wants the war to continue to stay out of jail.
    
    ‘There is a genocide’: Doctor calls on government to do more to avert Gaza ‘war crimes’ | ITV News
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyhKWfgfdm4
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:50am
    - kowtow
      
      Any country at war can be accused of committing war crimes .That’s a fave of lefties everywhere.
      
      [Mod – just debate the issues] Israel needs to get its hostages back , remember them ?
      
      The whole reason for this just war has been very conveniently ignored by many people who should know better.
      
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      August 2, 2025 12:38pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        “The whole reason for this just war has been very conveniently ignored by many people who should know better.”
        
        I’ve personally never ignored the reason for this war, which is ethnically cleansing the population of Gaza and absorbing the land into Israel. That much is crystal clear if you pay attention to Israeli words and actions, but for some reason, it’s unpopular around here to point out the obvious.
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:33pm
    - kiwi_chileno
      
      Niall Ferguson: “I wish those people who spend a significant part of each day posting and reposting clickbait about the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza could spare a thought for the real genocide that is going on in eastern Europe right now….If it is genocide you want to see, I recommend you pay a visit to the Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine….Accusing Israel of genocide and recognising a non-existent state are the luxury beliefs of western foreign policy, elicited in response to misleading photographs on front pages and fake fatality statistics, and utterly divorced from strategic reality.”
      
      https://archive.is/20250801223533/https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/a-genocide-is-under-way-but-its-not-in-gaza-pkgl7vh8h
      
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      August 2, 2025 4:34pm
      - kiwimike
        
        Rather add a few more African places incl Sudan, or doesn’t that matter because they are black ??
        
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        August 3, 2025 11:40am
- Wandering Star
  
  “So she’s a hydrologist and sees herself as an expert on oil?”
  
  Where does she claim to be an expert on oil? Isn’t she just like you on this topic, that is, a non-expert observer who has an opinion on fossil fuels?
  
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  August 2, 2025 9:43am
  - Cassandra
    
    From her website: Dr Jen Purdie works at the nexus of climate and energy. Her research interests include climate change impacts on the energy system, and climate forecasting on a range of timescales.
    
    The article was headed “comment by experts” or WTTE. And indeed by some measures she is. Star: I have a question for you – do you ever check anything out before posting your criticisms?
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:30am
    - Boy Geoff
      
      From my passing observations of WS, they seem to be a professional contradictarian…
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:43am
      - Wandering Star
        
        It’s only incidental that I frequently contradict the views of many others; all I am interested in establishing and expressing what is true, not what a majority may wish was true. Wouldn’t it be a shame if we were all expected to engage in groupthink so people aren’t upset, in the way the left are so often accused of?
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:36pm
    - Wandering Star
      
      “From her website: Dr Jen Purdie works at the nexus of climate and energy. Her research interests include climate change impacts on the energy system, and climate forecasting on a range of timescales.”
      
      So she is probably more of an “expert” than you. You even go on to admit that “by some measures she is” an expert, which contradicts your first comment.
      
      And what article? You didn’t bother to provide a link to the article you were referring to, so what was I supposed to “check” before commenting?
      
      And yes, I always ensure that any criticism I make on a topic is valid before I post, which one reason I am so difficult to rebut.
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:43am
      - Cassandra
        
        Star: I think your impressive collection of downticks is sufficient rebuttal. I think she’s more of a climate activist than expert. Admittedly there quite a lot of them!
        
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        August 2, 2025 12:04pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        I completely disagree. Any number of downticks on any given comment doesn’t rebut anything at all, even if it makes the downtickers feel better. Truth isn’t determined by democratic consensus, after all.
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:39pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Cass. So you think downticks on KB is a measure of anything?
        Thank you for my chortle of the day.
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:50pm
  - Cassandra
    
    There’s an adage “Measure twice, cut once” and another “look before you leap”.
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:36am
- coge
  
  When it comes to popular climate science, it’s quite okay for academics to exceed their professional brief. All in the name of pushing this new institutional orthodoxy. Which, on no account, may be questioned!
  
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  August 2, 2025 2:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Where is Aotearoa?
Confusion in Mauritania…..

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/08/barry-brill-passports-reverting-to-new.html#more
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August 2, 2025 8:05am
- Scott
  
  On that subject this post just came in from Winston Peters –
  “New Zealand First has today introduced a Member’s Bill that seeks to state in law that “New Zealand” is the official geographic name of our country.
  
  Over the past few years, we have had a bunch of unelected bureaucrats, officials, government departments, and politicians trying to change our country’s name by stealth – with no permission or consent from the people.
  
  The “New Zealand (Name of State) Bill” confirms that ‘New Zealand’ is our country’s official name, and it is only parliament and the people, not bureaucrats, government departments, or officials, that have the authority to make decisions about the name of the country.
  
  The vast majority of New Zealanders are shocked at this insidious creep of misguided and misinformed cultural history of the name ‘Aotearoa’.
  
  Any true historian or cultural expert would know that it was never the original Māori name for New Zealand – and we should not allow it to be misused for cultural virtue signalling.”
  
  https://www.facebook.com/share/1EsagBTAuN/
  
  This is exactly what I voted for. Winston is spot on. Good for him.”New Zealand” it is. 👍😎
  
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  August 2, 2025 8:09am
  - Paulus
    
    Making me rethink my vote next year for Peters as Luxon will do sweet fa in this area.
    And for me to not vote National will be an over 50 year change.
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:18am
    - Northshoredoc
      
      Good grief!
      
      If you’re swayed by this type of thing there really is no hope for NZ.
      
      Never forget that Winston is the fool who enabled two terms of Ardern, which has almost wrecked the place.
      
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      August 2, 2025 1:37pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Winston DID NOT enable 2 terms of Ardern. Please get your facts straight. She won the second term without Winston.
        
        Yes he went into Coalition with Ardern thinking he could control her, but didn’t at the time realise how Machiavellian she was.
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:57pm
      - Northshoredoc
        
        Without Winston enabling Ardern1 there would’ve been no Ardern2. The vindictive old soak couldn’t see past his baubles and dislike of Bill English.
        
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        August 2, 2025 6:11pm
    - Nobby2
      
      Paulus. Me too.
      
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      August 2, 2025 2:09pm
    - R
      
      Think carefully in the voting booth Paulus. There are two prominent egos vying for the PM slot. One of them gave us 6 years of mismanagement to the point of economic destruction. The other is an opportunist.
      
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      August 2, 2025 3:14pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Nats will support this bill, Dont be so bloody stupid
      
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      August 2, 2025 9:07pm
  - Jack5
    
    Where is Aotearoa?
    
    It’s on the return leg of the outrigger route from Tahiti to Antarctica.
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:27am
- kowtow
  
  Once again , we must never forget that these changes /innovations are done for the benefit of the politician or senior bureaucrat , not us mere Plebs.
  
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  August 2, 2025 8:15am
- pdm
  
  Barry Brill shoots himself in the foot by ending his letter with:
  Nga mihi
  
  instead of:
  
  Yours faithfully.
  
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  August 2, 2025 9:04am
  - David Garrett
    
    Pdm: I agree…and adding OBE is a bit pretentious in my view. Having that honour doesnt make his opinion any more persuasive.
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:13am
    - Souvlaki
      
      ‘ OBE’….Other Buggers Effort”?
      
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      August 2, 2025 9:44am
  - Albie
    
    He certainly has. Why go to all the trouble of writing to a minister about the frustrations that the use of Manglish imposes, and then to do the very same in your letter to said minister?
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:16am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Unless he was being sarcastic
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:29am
  - MCōs
    
    You think ’yours sincerely’ might be pushing credibility?
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:20am
  - Souvlaki
    
    The ” nga mihi” is clearly a ‘pisstake ‘ imo!
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:43am
    - imalwaysright
      
      I agree Souvlaki, sometimes a pisstake can be too subtle to work in print. The OBE is probably a subtle reminder of NZ’s roots.
      
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      August 2, 2025 9:48am
    - pdm
      
      souv – while I have never met Barry Brill I do not ever recall him standing out for his sense of humour or wit generally.
      
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      August 2, 2025 10:05am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Barry was 2 classes ahead of me at Sacred Heart College, Auckland. I used to see him socially back in the 1970’s until I moved to another town.
        He always had a pretty vibrant sense of humour, and is a very bright guy.
        
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        August 2, 2025 10:46am
- G152
  
  Evidently it is a tribal name for the North Island of NEW ZEALAND
  
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  August 2, 2025 9:08am
  - Paulus
    
    What Tribe please ?
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:37am
    - HalfFull
      
      Academia tribe.
      
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      August 2, 2025 10:08am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Ōkahu – Inuawai hapū of Ngāruahinerangi iwi in Taranaki
      
      But for me there is only one Aotearoa and that belongs to the Ngāti Raukawa iwi.
      
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      August 2, 2025 12:57pm
- MCōs
  
  The official language of Mauritania is Arabic so unless the Immigration officer is particularly knowledgeable it’s understandable he’ll fail to recognize te reo Maori on a passport or any one of numerous other languages and alphabets used by various other countries. That’s why the country names are also there in English
  Not that I’m suggesting B² is spinning a yarn!
  
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  August 2, 2025 9:18am
  - imalwaysright
    
    You would think they would have a computer folder with photographs of all countries passport covers.
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:52am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They will have records of all countries, but Aeoteratoa is not an official name of a country, it’s a wonder it has not happened in other countries
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:32am
  - Ra Henare
    
    I did some research, but I believe the answer is every passport, near as I can tell, has English as an international language on the cover along with other languages. Ie English and……
    
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    August 2, 2025 3:00pm
fernglas

Don’t fret, Maggy. I often fly through Vienna airport, which apparently has a special desk set aside to help people who thought they were going to Australia.
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August 2, 2025 8:12am
- Keith White
  
  …and Oakland, CA, USA for those who wanted Auckland NZ.
  
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  August 2, 2025 4:19pm
Cassandra

Seymour proposes that immigrants should sign a Values Agreement as a condition of entry. “New Zealanders are right to expect that anyone who wants to live here understands and respects our laws, freedoms and social norms. If that is too much to ask, maybe this is not the right country for them.” Seems a very good idea to me.
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August 2, 2025 8:12am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Needs to be a condition of staying here too. Passports to be harder to get and easier to remove.
  
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  August 2, 2025 8:17am
  - Paulus
    
    Once immigrants can get a passport then they can got to Australia, as they always wanted in the first place.
    New Zealand is a quick route.
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:20am
- kowtow
  
  It’s not really a question of making someone sign a piece of paper ( when an immigrant becomes a citizen are they not swearing allegiance) .
  
  Oh and should said immigrant, once signed up, breach something as nebulous as a “NZ value” what then , exile to the Chathams ,hardly.
  
  David is trying to outWinston at Winstonisms.
  
  Perhaps our political class needs to grow a pair and simply ban the type of immigrant they’re talking about , instead of beating about the bush , afterall I thought being honest was one of those NZ values.
  
  Instead of bagging Trump , they should be emulating him. He actually does do , not just blather.
  
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  August 2, 2025 8:24am
- David Garrett
  
  Cass: They should also be asked to eat a nice pork chop – after being instructed in their own language that said chop comes from a PIG…any reluctance about that and it’s back on the plane.
  
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  August 2, 2025 8:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    So no more Jews or vegetarians, then?
    
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    August 2, 2025 8:49am
    - David Garrett
      
      Maggy: I take your point…obviously I mean to target prospective immigrants from predominantly Muslim countries.
      
      As for vegetarians they would just have to “suck it up” as it were – one pork chop won’t kill them – and vegans are by definition mentally ill, and we don’t need them!
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:47am
      - Ra Henare
        
        David, over the years you have made very clear your utter contempt and distaste for Muslims.
        We get it.
        
        So the stupidity of immigrants
        they have to eat a pork chop.
        Makes you, IMHO look a little bit foolish??
        
        I look forward to your “”erudite”” attempt to insult me.
        
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        August 2, 2025 3:08pm
      - CJames
        
        Making them shake hands with a woman can have the same effect.
        
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        August 2, 2025 5:19pm
  - Cassandra
    
    I see your point DG but I’m not too sure that it’d work. But it’s pretty clear that integrating Moslems into a Western culture does not work qv France and the UK. OTOH just imagine the quality of the NZSO and our university maths departments if we’d opened our border in the 1930s.
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:08am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      “integrating Moslems into a Western culture does not work qv France and the UK. ”
      
      You can add Oz to the list.
      
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      August 2, 2025 9:34am
      - Paulus
        
        Once 5% is reached all hell lets loose and Moslems claim they have the right to a win for whatever they want.
        France and the UK are examples we can see with horror.
        
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        August 2, 2025 9:40am
      - David Garrett
        
        Chuck: You can add to the list every single western country that has allowed its Muslim population to reach 5% – every single one has experienced Islamist terrorism, often carried out by the sons of the original immigrants. This means that no matter how careful a country is with its original selection, there is no way of knowing what their descendants will do. And given those descendants are born in the host country, they cannot be deported either.
        
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        August 2, 2025 11:51am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Of course some western nations run by PPPP
        contribute vastly to bad behaviour
        
        Piss poor politicians pandering.
        
        UK, Sweden and Germany are prime examples
        
        Offset by countries with GOOD politicians and systems eg Switzerland, Denmark?
        
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        August 2, 2025 3:19pm
    - MCōs
      
      Opened our borders to whom?
      Btw
      Nobody seemed to mind when Ajaz Patel, a Muslim immigrant from India, was bowling for the Blackcaps and taking a lot of wickets.
      He’s over in Zimbabwe with the team now and nobody is complaining
      
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      August 2, 2025 9:40am
      - Simon
        
        Never heard of him.
        
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        August 2, 2025 9:44am
      - herb1
        
        You seem to have missed that this debate is about immigrants accepting NZ values when they come here. Playing our main summer game and representing New Zealand is probably a good sign that Patel accepts our culture
        
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        August 2, 2025 9:48am
      - Cassandra
        
        MCos: The clue is 1938. And you’ll get more help noting the NZSO and maths. Penny dropped yet?
        
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        August 2, 2025 10:08am
      - Paulus
        
        The name of our new AirNZ CEO is obviously of Indian origin !
        Am told very competent too.
        
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        August 2, 2025 11:25am
      - David Garrett
        
        MCos: As I and others have said many times here, the reason we don’t have any “Muslim trouble” – Yet – is there isn’t enough of them. Wait till we reach 2% and watch the position change.
        
        As Chuck has noted, the Muslim population of Australia is 2.5% and they are experiencing trouble with their Muslim immigrants. I confidently – but very sadly – predict that once it reaches 5% Australia too will have Islamist terrorism.
        
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        August 2, 2025 11:55am
      - Paulus
        
        Forgotten about Helen Clark allowing in the Tampa boat people.
        Thank goodness many of the children of these people now causing regular troubles in Sydney.
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:09pm
      - Jack5
        
        In immigration we can choose a national policy of assimilation or one of multiculturism.
        
        The American “melting pot” model, setting aside the distortion of slavery, worked for the most part until the border invasion by millions from the Third World in the last few years. Flags in schools, pledges to the flag, popular-culture promotion of love of country mostly moulded children into patriotic Americans.
        
        The idea that near-hostile rival cultures can thrive in a country together is a delusion.
        
        Think of Hindus and Muslims on the sub-continent; of Arabs v. Africans in Sudan and Nigeria; of Han Chinese v. Uighurs and Tibetans; of Zainichi Koreans in Japan; of Dutch-speaking Flemings v. French-speaking Walloons in Belgium.
        
        New Zealand’s hands are full blending Maori and Whites, largely of British stock. With hundreds of thousands of Chinese and Indian migrants, multiculturism is now impossible. A melting-pot cultural and political strategy is the only logical choice. It includes emphasising English language and instilling respect for democracy — notably including freedom of speech.
        
        First, the Woke propaganda about the magic of diversity needs to be countered.
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:41pm
      - I remember when
        
        Simon:
        That’s because his bowling is recognised by selectors when he is in New Zealand.
        Overseas he is a genius.
        
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        August 2, 2025 3:02pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Denmark has around 4+% Muslims apparently. None of the Muslim problems Mr Garrett keeps referring to when the population reaches 2%.
        
        [Mod – debate the topics not the person]
        
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        August 2, 2025 3:22pm
    - kowtow
      
      Or to rocket science in the late ’40’s.
      
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      August 2, 2025 10:22am
      - greybeard
        
        Not many got that one….
        
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        August 2, 2025 11:38am
  - Ghost
    
    Should they? We have, not sure if he has retired, a Muslim orthopaedic surgeon that was the former secretary general of orthopaedic association from his Muslim country before moving here. Thank god he moved here, he helped a lot of people. We also have a few Muslim nurses at the hospital and at the lab. We have a Muslim eye specialist from the uk. Some of our Muslim immigrants are giving more back to our country than the doctors and nurses who have fucked off after being trained.
    
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    August 2, 2025 10:08am
    - David Garrett
      
      Ghost: You are looking at the situation from the wrong end of the telescope. It is all about percentages – see my comment above.
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:56am
      - Ghost
        
        No, I just know, that there are plenty of muslims who come to this country and become a working, living part of this country and aren’t stupid enough to tar them all with the same brush.
        
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        August 2, 2025 12:03pm
- Yvette
  
  Cassandra, perhaps such a Values Agreement could become the basis for a New Zealand Constitution, with whatever values there may be, gathered in one place and somewhat more coherent than the current so-called “nation’s founding document, which is no more than a real estate and chattels agreement (no wonder it is a compulsory study for real estate agents)
  
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  August 2, 2025 8:51am
  - Paulus
    
    No, let us “Honour the Treaty” as so many Maori want.
    Why will they not ?
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:26am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  What would be an example of a “social norm”?
  
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  August 2, 2025 9:12am
  - rjay
    
    Accepting that it is rude to blow people up and/or rape girls.
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:47am
  - RoboRob
    
    Not publicly groping woman. Freedom of expression and movement for woman (as well as men). Theft and assault are not ok. Etc etc , all western norms but unusual in many middle eastern countries.
    
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    August 2, 2025 10:09am
    - alwyn.a
      
      “Not publicly groping woman”
      
      But, but, but ….
      Surely you don’t believe that? What have you got against the ways of The Donald?
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:32am
      - Jack5
        
        And most of us thought Trump was talking about how to strike up friendship with a 😻 kitten-loving woman.
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:57pm
  - Wandering Star
    
    See my comment below. One of the most obvious “social norms” of Europe and the Anglosphere is simply “Being European.” A nation’s ethnic core is fundamental to even being a nation, yet we have to avoid stating this very obvious proposition, and instead try to point to some cultural phenomenon.
    
    Why is there this avoidance of the obvious and the focus on non-essential characteristics? Because focusing on the former may bring the mass immigration project to a halt, whereas focusing on the latter means it will continue.
    
    Yeah, let’s bring in a few million Indians and Chinese – but they must love the “free market”, have a good work ethic, and support the All Blacks! Sheesh.
    
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    August 2, 2025 10:14am
- Simon
  
  Values agreement pure Wellington clown show. Culture is downstream from law. The only people allowed to move to NZ are from countries with similar laws as NZ. That’s first base.
  
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  August 2, 2025 9:43am
- Swifty
  
  Seymour’s idea is a poor one – it’s easily overcome by deceit from applicants.
  
  And it’s not enforceable once they’re here.
  
  The answer to preventing the problems we see overseas is simply to halt the entry to New Zealand of Muslims.
  
  Harsh? Yes. Lamentable? Yes. Would mean some good folks were excluded? Yes.
  
  However the issue is that a minority of Muslims will have no intention whatsoever to integrate, many will actively press the enlargement and encroachment of Islam in NZ, our politics will become more sectarian, community rivalries, tensions, division and bitterness will increase and inevitably terror attacks will increase, especially when NZ takes foreign affairs decisions in conflict with Islamic imperialism.
  
  New Zealand gains no benefits whatsoever from an increase in Islamic adherents. None.
  
  Instead, we weaken our society immeasurably.
  
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  August 2, 2025 10:03am
  - Wandering Star
    
    “… foreign affairs decisions in conflict with Islamic imperialism.”
    
    What’s an example of Islamic imperialism in 2025? In fact, there must be tens or hundreds of examples, given the meaning of the word ‘imperialism.’
    
    For the record, I’d prefer there were zero Muslims in New Zealand, but we should confine our discussions to what is real, not what is rhetoric.
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:09am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Saudi Arabia funding radical imans in mosques all over the world.
      
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      August 2, 2025 12:43pm
      - Paulus
        
        Including in New Zealand substantially !
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:10pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        “Saudi Arabia funding radical imans in mosques all over the world.”
        
        Assuming that is true, is that “Islamic imperialism”? Sounds just like garden variety subversion to me, but even then, Muslims are nowhere near on the level of ideological infiltration and subversion perpetrated by some other groups.
        
        In fact, it took a great deal of prior systematic infiltration and subversion of Western societies to even get to a situation that would lay the foundation for the proliferation of mosques in our lands.
        
        There are layers here: a lot of focus is on the fact that Muslims are flooding the West, but the topic of why this is the case is typically avoided for fear of the answer.
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:27pm
    - Swifty
      
      “What’s an example of Islamic imperialism in 2025? In fact, there must be tens or hundreds of examples, given the meaning of the word ‘imperialism.“
      
      An hour or two on google will bring up tens and tens of examples of Western Imams, speaking in plain English, calling for Islam to rule the West.
      
      To ‘enter every home’.
      
      Openly and without reservation. It is their divinely-inspired mission – an Islamic caliphate spanning the entire world.
      
      If that is not Islamic imperialism I don’t know what is.
      
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      August 2, 2025 2:12pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        So, “Google it, bro” is your argument?
        
        If that’s what you call “Islamic imperialism” then there really isn’t any.
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:29pm
      - Swifty
        
        Not two or three weeks ago I posted several videos of exactly this – and from memory you commented on at least one of them.
        
        Do your own research, I’ve not the time to spoon feed you.
        
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        August 2, 2025 4:29pm
      - Swifty
        
        Oh look!
        
        https://x.com/alexduncantx/status/1951313947862151348?s=46
        
        “Secularism is a radical lunatic ideology….”
        
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        August 2, 2025 6:31pm
    - Keith White
      
      Qatar hosting, funding and protecting Hamas leaders.
      
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      August 2, 2025 4:23pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Swifty: My position exactly.
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:58am
- Wandering Star
  
  If he wants to ensure that immigrants are the right people with the right attitudes and dispositions, then he should just cut to the chase and say “Europeans only.” That’s what he really means (even if he doesn’t realise it and doesn’t understand who it is that, 9 times out of 10, “share our values”). But the conversation is so polluted with anti-White hatred and an obsession with denying racial differences and their consequences that nobody can say the truth.
  
  Can’t we just say that we want to maintain the country as a predominantly White nation with deep ethnic roots to Europe? If not, why not?
  
  And, incidentally, the problem isn’t “Islam” or some other more acceptable angle of critique, because European Muslims (say, Bosnians for example, of Western European converts to Islam) would not be anywhere near the problem caused by Muslims of non-European ethnicity.
  
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  August 2, 2025 10:06am
  - AitchW
    
    There are a whoooole lot of European Muslims.
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:32am
    - Wandering Star
      
      Most “European” Muslims are first or second generation immigrants from Africa and the Middle East. Those are the problem ones, and its more about their race than their religion. If some 60 year old White woman from Surrey who had a later-life identity crisis and converted to Islam would not be any problem at all.
      
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      August 2, 2025 12:22pm
      - Swifty
        
        Nope, no problem at all.
        
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Lewthwaite
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:14pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        So? If you really want to stretch the point so far in order to posit a single counter-example and pretend you’ve refuted me, then let me go the other way and point out that she’s not a 60 year old White woman from Surrey.
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:43pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Another person here fraudulently. Surprisingly, he’s actually got jail time.

His actual identity seems to be in question, but there’s no doubt he’s Bangladeshi. Have a word with Bangladeshi: he’s their problem, not ours.

On release, kick him out, no questions.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/568769/passport-fraud-and-sham-marriage-land-jahangir-alam-record-jail-term
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August 2, 2025 8:16am
artemisia

A question about judicial reviews. I see TPM is “seeking a full explanation” of reports of missing enrolments from the Maori roll, as part of this judicial review and is asking some specific questions.

It would no doubt help the Electoral Commission if some names of the hundreds TPM say could be affected are supplied so can be checked. Or is it a fishing expedition.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/568729/te-pati-maori-pursuing-two-pronged-legal-action
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August 2, 2025 8:16am
- Mod88
  
  If you use the autofill it comes up No Record on the Electoral Commission on-line checker. If you fill it in manually, Voila. I know I tried. As soon as I added RD2 into it rather than the auto-filled suburb all was revealed.
  
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  August 2, 2025 8:21am
  - RoboRob
    
    So another IT issue then. Lequence keeps delivering. Thanks goldsmith.
    
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    August 2, 2025 10:11am
    - Ghost
      
      it’s people not paying attention when entering their details, also people not updating their details when they move
      
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      August 2, 2025 10:28am
      - Paulus
        
        Did recently on moving and took all of 5 minutes for the both of us !
        
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        August 2, 2025 11:28am
  - graham
    
    Yep, we have an RD address and it creates utter havoc with multiple systems, both in New Zealand and overseas.
    
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    August 2, 2025 10:12am
    - pdm
      
      graham I thought postcodes sorted RD and Private Bag etc problems out.
      
      Obviously not.
      
      A related question – do Private Bags still exist?
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:20am
      - graham
        
        The problem arises when I fill in one of those forms that asks me to start typing my address and it will automatically fill it in. The auto-populated details usually have the wrong postal area, which apparently confuses the sorting system. The postcode (eg 1234) is correct, but the area is wrong.
        
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        August 2, 2025 1:25pm
    - David Garrett
      
      graham: Me too…which is why I don’t even have a letterbox, and my postal address is a PO Box.
      
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      August 2, 2025 12:00pm
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  TPM still haven’t complied with the law on their own finances. They should be demanding nothing.
  
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  August 2, 2025 8:29am
  - kiwimike
    
    They (TPM) should be suspended from Parliament and not paid.
    
    sort it out PDQ then !!
    
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    August 3, 2025 11:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  TPM – Hypocrites?
  
  The law requires political parties to file their annual returns. Most parties have done so. Te Pāti Māori hasn’t. They are now a long time overdue. If you’re going to accuse the Electoral Commission of disenfranchising voters, the very least you can do is follow the same electoral rules as everyone else.
  
  It’s hypocrisy of the highest order. They demand transparency from the system while offering none themselves. The message from Te Pāti Māori seems to be that rules are for everyone else.
  
  https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/08/matua-kahurangi-te-pati-maoris.html#more
  
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  August 2, 2025 9:01am
  - rjay
    
    I notice that TPM members are the only MPs that do not bow towards the Chair when leaving the floor of Parliament. Another middle finger.
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:48am
    - kowtow
      
      Exactly.
      
      What business have they appealing to the King’s courts when they have such problems with his “sovereignty”.
      
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      August 2, 2025 10:25am
    - Ghost
      
      They aren’t the only ones
      
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      August 2, 2025 10:31am
      - pdm
        
        Enlighten us Ghostie.
        
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        August 2, 2025 11:25am
      - Ghost
        
        Feel free to look for yourself from the last sitting, you will see a few just get up and leave, including a national and act member. It happens from all sides
        
        https://videos.parliament.nz/on-demand?id=cd3e58f6-b274-4330-af96-08ddd076ffd5
        
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        August 2, 2025 12:25pm
    - R
      
      Self superior ignorant arrogance actually!
      
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      August 2, 2025 10:57am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Or the corruption st the marae and signing people up may not be actual people, and the only way they would get caught is by having a bye-election. It is not as far fetched as it sounds, that marae was dodgy .
  
  She protests too much
  
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  August 2, 2025 11:39am
NeverMindTheBollocks

NZ is one of few countries where PR gets you the right to vote. That might have been ok in days gone by, when we were more homogeneous and migrants were fewer.

Now that we have so many migrants with PR, they have the ability to swing seats. NZ needs to consider that on some issues, their interests may not coincide with the interests of citizens – think immigration policy, for example.
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- Jack5
  
  In Australia, permanent residents don’t get the right to vote. They need to hold citizenship.
  
  If NZ did the same, many immigrants would be voteless for ages.
  
  Wait for NZ permanent residency; go through the “back door” to Australia of visa-free entry; wait to qualify as permanent residents then to qualify as citizens of Australia.
  
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  August 2, 2025 11:34am
  - Paulus
    
    About time we followed Australia in this and looked at Local Goverment elections too as to who can vote.
    
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    August 2, 2025 2:13pm
slightlyrighty

On an annualised, per Capita Basis, each US citizen spends $15 USD on New Zealand Products.

Using the same metric, Each NZ Citizen spends $1520.00 NZD on US Products.

Yet the Current US Administration would have you believe that they are getting the short end of the Trade Stick.
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August 2, 2025 8:23am
artemisia

Pacific families bear the brunt of public housing evictions

Certainly tough for a Kainga Ora tenancy to be terminated despite KO efforts to help. Most KO terminations are primarily for rent arrears. Taxpayer subsidised income related rent. Maybe the tenants don’t realise they have to pay rent.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/568689/pacific-families-bear-the-brunt-of-public-housing-evictions
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August 2, 2025 8:23am
- Cassandra
  
  I pay a monthly fee to the owner of my retirement village house. It’s automatic and I can’t stop it. Why doesn’t the Housing Corporation have this system for its tenants?
  
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  August 2, 2025 8:27am
  - Jethrod
    
    But if you get all your money from drugs etc and other illegal practices, then you just ignore the bastards.
    
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    August 2, 2025 8:51am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Having zero dollars in your bank account will stop it.
    
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    August 2, 2025 8:55am
    - Cassandra
      
      And benefits and pensions go where?
      
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      August 2, 2025 12:10pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Out before the rent is due!
        
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        August 2, 2025 12:45pm
  - pdm
    
    More logical – deduct it from benefits.
    
    That would capture about 75% of Housing NZ residents I reckon.
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:10am
    - artemisia
      
      Rent deducted from benefit is common, public and private housing. However it is voluntary, can be cancelled at any time by the beneficiary. A red flag for the landlord.
      
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      August 2, 2025 9:26am
      - pdm
        
        arty – any reason why it should not be compulsory?
        
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        August 2, 2025 10:11am
      - artemisia
        
        pdm, compulsory rent assignment from benefits would be against the Human Rights Act I think. I suppose it could be OK if also applied to all tenants and income sources. But almost all tenants do pay their rent on time.
        
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        August 2, 2025 11:33am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They do have….but KO weren’t bothering to chase up folks when the automatic payments dried up.
    
    https://kaingaora.govt.nz/en_NZ/news/kainga-ora-tackles-rent-debt/
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:23am
    - wairarapapaul
      
      Everyone needs a home. Not ideal but better to deduct rent from any benefits before crediting the bank account or lien on wages/salary. Keep them in their homes.
      
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      August 2, 2025 10:02am
  - Paulus
    
    Us too !
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:31am
- Simon
  
  They don’t have the money as they either give it to the church or send it back home. Aside from all the usual mis spending. People on welfare should have their bank accounts bar coded and run by AI. No church, overseas remittances, Sky tv, Netflix etc
  
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  August 2, 2025 9:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Drugs and piss. We have people living in tents on the oval in Dunedin. When you see these tough sleepers they are clean and tidy, and wear good clothes, but on Saturday morning, the council has to scan the sports fields for needles (and find them every time) before the little kids play sport on Saturday morning
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:46am
    - Simon
      
      Not Island families. They blow so much on the church and always sending money back to the Islands. There is just so much cash washing through South Auckland.
      
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      August 2, 2025 12:14pm
- Paulus
  
  The tenants expect that anybody else will pay anything they expect, including rent !
  What has it got to do with them.
  
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  August 2, 2025 11:31am
- Nobby2
  
  artemisia. That article is a joke. Moze Galo, Arena Williams, Angela Dalton and RNZ talked as if there has been mass tenancies ended when in fact it is 8 only. Surely there are plenty of people, avenues and agencies to help those tenants keep to their tenancy agreements and for the tenants to pay their rent.
  
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  August 2, 2025 3:19pm
Jack5

Can the European Union survive the European Court of Justice’s blocking moves to stop the mass border-crashing invasion from the Third World?

The EU’s top court, the European Court of Justice, has just blocked an Italian plan to send illegal migrants to detention in Albania.

This plan was the keystone of an anti-border crasher strategy of the Italian Prime Minister, Giorgia Meloni.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/eu-court-rules-against-italy-albania-migrant-camps-scheme-2025-08-01/
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- Wandering Star
  
  The problem is, it is non-European immigration of any kind (legal and illegal) that has already radically altered the demographics of Europe, to the point of no return. Whether legal or otherwise, the demographic changes are exactly the same.
  
  At this point, it’s at least 20 years too late to do anything about it, and when faced with what would be required to roll it back, too many would find it too distasteful. At least, at the moment they would, but in 5 or 10 years (or less), they may be begging for it. We’re talking rounding non-European people up en masse and relocating them to the lands of their forebears, whether they like it or not.
  
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  August 2, 2025 10:36am
Swifty

I’d like to see much, much more of this:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360778733/passport-fraud-and-sham-marriage-land-jahangir-alam-record-jail-term

Jail followed by immediate deportation.

Nobody should profit from such deception, it merely incentivises others.

Out!
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August 2, 2025 9:01am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Donald Trump is making himself very unpopular around the world. His tariffs are causing more than conniptions for the richest business owners outside of the US. You’d have to think that should an assassin succeed, there’d be no shortage of suspects.

Murder on the Orient Express, perhaps.

http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cger99z0yp9o
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August 2, 2025 9:04am
- KiWombat
  
  New Zealand applies a 15% tax on all goods imported from the US. We call it GST.
  
  The US has now imposed exactly the same impost on New Zealand. They call it a tariff.
  
  Pot, kettle, black?
  
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  August 2, 2025 9:49am
  - rjay
    
    Tariffs are designed to alter the relative price between domestic and imported goods. GST applies to all goods sold domestically. Your argument does not stand up.
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:54am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The US stated the 15% on goods from US at 15% gst is still a tax, we might not like it, but that’s how they see it
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:52am
      - Northshoredoc
        
        Nonsense that’s not how they see it, most states within the USA have state sales taxes they know exactly how they work.
        
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        August 2, 2025 1:39pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Remember when we were given the lowest tariff rate of 10% and Luxon, singlehandedly -a captains call perhaps-, decided to form a trading bloc involving CPTPP members and the European Union ?
    (That was until he realised everyone was ignoring him except Peters and Seymour who told him to get back in his box)
    
    Now we are on 15%
    
    We are lucky we aren’t on 50%.
    
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    August 2, 2025 10:08am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That is utter rubbish, he had talks with other nations to find if trade could be gain, CCPT was not part of his talks, they were European nations
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:53am
      - imalwaysright
        
        https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/07/04/inside-the-peters-luxon-clash-over-trump-tariffs/
        
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        August 2, 2025 12:07pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Media were full of shit over that so called spat, Luxon was able to say he asked questions, and no he never mentioned CCPT, I don’t care what he media say who are trying to drive a wedge between the coalition partners daily, can you remember them not so long ago saying an election will be held before Christmas? Well they can’t have an election this side of Christmas with local body elections, but you still believer lies, I remember Luxon clearly saying I will talk to any country over trade, and this is an opportunity, and that’s the attitude I want, now the filthy media are saying we sat on our hands and have been shafted, FFS
      
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      August 2, 2025 9:18pm
  - Gary Benner
    
    People do not realise we tariff ourselves!
    
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    August 2, 2025 10:14am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      A Sales tax is not a tariff. Tariffed goods would still be subject to a sales tax based on the imported cost.
      
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      August 2, 2025 10:16am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    US States apply a Sales Tax to goods sold in the US.
    
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    August 2, 2025 10:14am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, a very small tax, and Trump is the President of the Federal US which does not tax us.
      
      It’s also worth realising that some states have no tax on certain products, New Jersey for instance has not tax on clothing, when straight across the Hudson River they do, New Yorkers cross the river on Sundays to buy clothing.
      
      I have heard of some states that have no tax on food
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:57am
  - Inandout
    
    KiW, yes but that is too logical for some to comprehend. Meantime orange man bad.
    
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    August 2, 2025 10:17am
    - Jack5
      
      Australia has a free trade agreement with the US, but a 10 per cent tariff has still been put on its exports there.
      
      Most NZ exports to the US are meat. The US not long ago overtook Australia as NZ’s second biggest export market.
      
      Canadian beef is hit with 35 per cent tariff. Brazil and Argentine, big beef exporters, are on 10 per cent.
      
      Could the Trump tariff pattern cause interesting trade such as, perhaps, Canadian beef to New Zealand?
      
      https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/us-now-new-zealands-second-largest-export-partner/
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:09am
      - Inandout
        
        Jack, we have the advantage of being practically free of foot and mouth disease that plagues parts of Europe and Indonesia. If we can keep this country free of cattle diseases we must have an advantage when exporting.
        
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        August 2, 2025 12:43pm
    - alwyn.a
      
      Did you notice how Trump’s buddy Putin leads a country which only gets a tariff of 10% to pay?
      Meanwhile we get 15%. Jeez Wayne.
      
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      August 2, 2025 11:38am
      - Ghost
        
        Ummm, ok
        
        Now in the real world, the USA has sanctions against Russia that actually limit any real trade. Even with those sanctions a 35% tariff is on Russian exports
        
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        August 2, 2025 11:55am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Keep up, Russia has been given a dead line to stop the war or face tariffs of over 100%
        
        Surely you can see why nothing has happened there yet, another thing, our extra tariff started yesterday, many more countries will be getting new taxes from 14 August are are not in full understanding of what is coming yet
        
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        August 2, 2025 12:00pm
      - alwyn.a
        
        @Ghost.
        According to the NY Times that rate for Russia in only 10%. That is from the google query of “nytimes tariff rates for russia” and then selecting the country Russia.
        
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        August 2, 2025 12:21pm
      - Ghost
        
        You need better sources, the trade sanctions and 35% trade tarrif has existed for a while now
        
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        August 2, 2025 1:12pm
      - alwyn.a
        
        @Ghost
        Can you tell us your source for the statement that the current rate for Russia is 35%?
        The NY Times is not infallible but it generally has pretty accurate information for what id going on in the US.
        
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        August 2, 2025 7:12pm
      - Ghost
        
        Customs and boarder, the White House, congress and a large amount of news articles that have reported the sanctions and tariffs placed against Russia.
        
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        August 2, 2025 8:37pm
  - Spam
    
    GST is applied on goods regardless of origin. Just like sales taxes in the US. You are not comparing apples with apples.
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    At the inception of Trumps tariffs here they mentioned it’s reciprocal because of GST, not sure how an agreement can be worked out, because you can not take GST of US products and simply carry on.
    
    When you go to the US you pay tax on products but I am pretty sure they are state taxes, and they are not huge, every state has different tax laws so they are not taxed on import either, but are not added by federal government
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:50am
  - rangitoto
    
    GST doesn’t distinguish between domestic or imported goods. US has local sales tax in most states. It’s not actually clear that Trump has any power to impose tariffs. A court just ruled the the exec doesn’t have such power and only Congress can do that. It will probably end up at the Supreme Court.
    
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    August 2, 2025 2:15pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Trip has every right to apply tariffs on any country, just like the hypocritical other countries who have huge tariffs on the US like Canada, Mexico, Europe, and several other countries, state tariffs are nothing to do with state taxes FgS
      
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      August 2, 2025 9:22pm
peterwn

See:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mobility-parking-permit-holder-derek-cossey-was-incorrectly-issued-fines-revealing-a-bigger-issue/TIHSV6B7XJG2RAVVT27GR5MAC4/
The bigger issue is that Auckland Transport is a law unto themselves and does not care about the community it serves.
It knows there is a problem with parking tickets being issued to handicapped people but it seems that it either does not want to address the issue or it is low priority.
At the end of the day, those handicapped people in practice would generally end up not paying for the ticket although there may be a blemish on credit records but this would only be of concern to those with poor credit scores. AT obviously finds using debt collectors more effective than taking unpaid tickets to court (which is expensive, has a high chance of failure, and uncertain payment).
AT needs a proper procedure to avoid issuing such tickets in the first place, or if the odd mistake does occur an efficient system to sort the issue without casting aspersions on disabled people or their helpers.
As a first step, tickets for parking in disabled areas should not be automatically issued using camera cars.
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- Ghost
  
  e-permit sounds like a good idea, in practise, but it would be no good for people out of Auckland who go up occasionally.
  
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  August 2, 2025 9:38am
  - balanced
    
    Mayor Wayne Brown is wisely advocating for replacement councilors at the next local body election. When they’re elected, Brown will turbo charge Auckland Council’s, and Auckland’s peformance.
    
    Chris Luxon will do the same at the next election. Hopefully we’ll get a new meritorious finance minister who doesn’t have to read speeches off a piece of a4, and Sam Uffindell will get a deserved seat at the cabinet table. Now there is a mp qualified to be finance minister “As of early 2022 he was the head of financial economic crime for Rabobank New Zealand, “
    
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    August 2, 2025 10:08am
    - peterwn
      
      The Finance Minister is doing an excellent job. While she would find it preferable to do speeches Toastmaster style, time does not allow for that and precision is important since she could be so readily be pulled up if she says something not quite right off the cuff. Every word she says will be dissected by the media, analysts, etc so she is better off to read at least parts of a speech from a carefully prepared and vetted script.
      As for Sam Uffendell, Chris Luxon would also certainly do a Cabinet tune-up late 2005 early 2006 to help position National for the next election. So he could well be in although negative feelz might still count against him.
      
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      August 2, 2025 10:47am
      - pdm
        
        Does anyone here know why PM Luxon will not meet with Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown as has beeen alleged by Duncan Garner?
        
        Is it possibly the other way round even?
        
        https://nominister.wordpress.com/2025/07/31/christopher-luxon-allegedly-refuses-to-meet-with-auckland-mayor-wayne-brown/
        
        Or is Duncan Garner wrong?
        
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        August 2, 2025 11:32am
      - balanced
        
        Peter….. you’ve gone against the kb spending is up, permanent plc servants are up, oft repeated complaint there.
        
        How are Nicolas supermarket and electricity cartel solutions coming along? Penk managed to fix the building supplies monopoly already..
        
        How did Nicolas family boost uptake go? She can’t even give our money away competently
        
        Amd how has the goverment as a proportion of gdp fix progressed?
        
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        August 2, 2025 11:39am
      - balanced
        
        Pdm. Duncan garner is often wrong! I gave up listening to him Some time ago.
        
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        August 2, 2025 11:41am
      - Ghost
        
        Auckland has their own minister who is responsible for dealing with the council, the mayor and reporting back
        
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        August 2, 2025 11:46am
      - peterwn
        
        pdm
        The Mayor would be able to meet with the Ministers of Auckland and Local Government. If the PM met with the Mayor of Auckland then he would be obligated to meet with every other Mayor in NZ. His resources are better utilised elsewhere.
        
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        August 2, 2025 12:50pm
      - peterwn
        
        ‘balanced’ – there is no electricity ‘cartel’, OK there may be an oligarchy but that is inevitable. Arguably the four Gentailers are making less profits than is reasonable. Arguably Nicola Willis should be cracking the whip over them to bay larger dividends to the Government.
        If the Gentailers are not allowed to have their own customer bases, investment decisions become far more uncertain and the Gentailers will slow down and stop investing leaving the Government to pick up the pieces. Nicola not allow that, her budgets are tight enough as it is, especially when cleaning up after the other mob’s mess.
        
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        August 2, 2025 1:07pm
      - balanced
        
        Peter. I covered the electricity cartel in yesterdays general denate.
        
        The electricity and supermarket cartel clue lies in their competitive pricing. There is none.
        
        Collusive pricing is mot easily achieved with nods and winks.
        
        I have never been rung by an elecricity company asking me to swap over to receive their lower prices…. those phone calls are a regular feature overseas.
        
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        August 2, 2025 1:41pm
      - CJames
        
        You did not cover it balanced. You rabbited on with your mantra about some academic and his models but were unable to answer my criticisms. You had not even read the report until I provided the link
        
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        August 2, 2025 5:30pm
      - balanced
        
        Is there a farmer out there who can explain industry specific roi to c james. He thinks you’re all failed business people.
        
        I always encourage people to read my Posts before criticizing…. it could save you a lot of embarrassment….
        
        “Thx for the study link.
        
        As expected, a professor in economics completed a robust analysis, building a simulation model which he tested and proved by comparing predicted numbers to actuals…. there is no better test.
        
        The model showed that ‘market power rents’ – the excess profits that generators are able to make – are “substantial” – totalling $5.4 billion over seven years.
        
        Kiwiblog used to have intelligent commentators who I enjoyed reading and learning from.
        
        Perhaps there is a farmer who can explain the roi fallacy in a manner cj can understand.”
        
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        August 3, 2025 8:21am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That speech yesterday was not hers, give her a break, she was obviously in a place while Luxon was else where, can’t remember what it was about, but it was not about finance, she was talking about the tariffs, and the countries response going forward, the minister for trade was standing with her. He stated he was always going up there later this year as was suggested by Rubio when the 10% tariffs came in
      
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      August 2, 2025 12:05pm
      - balanced
        
        G. Shouldn’t the Minister of Finance, Minister for Economic Growth and the Minister for Social Investment as well as the Deputy Leader of the National Party be all over NZs biggest trade / income threat?
        McLay was all over the subject and didn’t need an a4 to read off.
        
        The minister of finance is the 2nd most important position in our country and should be held by an intelligent accomplished financier.
        
        Qualifications such as a lack of penis, an english literature and journalism degree, and an obscure position in fletcher building; obviously aren’t sufficient. We all pay a heavy price for Continual failures.
        
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        August 2, 2025 12:31pm
      - balanced
        
        Apologies, obscure career in fonterra.
        
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        August 2, 2025 12:45pm
      - peterwn
        
        “balanced” – get your facts straight – Nicola Willis has never worked for Fletcher Building. Not sure what your background and skills are, but suffice to say pretty well all the media and most people who take an interest in politics know who Nicola worked for before standing for Parliament.
        
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        August 2, 2025 7:50pm
      - Ghost
        
        So you’ve written a whole post attacking balanced for a comment he corrected pretty quickly after making it. Seriously? What an complete stupid post Peter
        
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        August 2, 2025 7:56pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Balanced, she did that speech for another minister, it may well have been for Peter’s who has been silent since the tariffs, I seen her reading that speech, but she never usually does, so stop rubbishing her because she is not Act
        
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        August 2, 2025 9:27pm
      - balanced
        
        G. You of all kbers should know I comment on performance, not party affiliation.
        
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        August 4, 2025 10:26am
    - Paulus
      
      Chris Penk is the first to get promotion.
      He will go far as experience as a Lawyer, a NZ Navy Officer and an Australian Submariner.
      
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      August 2, 2025 2:18pm
    - Nobby2
      
      balanced, Just as Grant Robertson was the head of financial economic crime when he was finance minister of NZ.
      
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      August 2, 2025 3:28pm
      - balanced
        
        Yes. I was rightly critical of the Cindy grant fiasco. It would be remiss of me to refrain from pointing out valid concerns just because the next less than ideal finance minister is a female national mp.
        
        Willis championed the bill which retrospectively allowed banks to avoid repaying millions they stole from their customers in overcharged fees.
        
        And this is the finance minister tasked with fixing the nz cartels.
        
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        August 2, 2025 3:56pm
- R
  
  AT became a ‘law unto itself’ on the eve of the day that ‘Power of General Competence’ was announced. The Comrade really had the citizens best interests at heart//.
  
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  August 2, 2025 11:09am
- MCōs
  
  I’ve had a mobility card for the last couple of years and never had an issue. I wasn’t aware about the right to extend the stay in an ordinary car park
  As pointed out in the article the card is issued to the disabled person, not the vehicle whereas the system works the other way round. So if my daughter drives me to Wellington and I take the card she’s likely to get unfairly pinged, by the sounds
  However Wellington still employs traffic wardens as I found out last time I was there earlier this year
  
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  August 2, 2025 11:31am
  - alwyn.a
    
    ” I wasn’t aware about the right to extend the stay in an ordinary car park”.
    The rules vary depending on which local body you are in. If you are in the WCC area you can stay for an extra hour in any zone with a normal limit of at least 30 minutes. You can also stay for an hour longer than you pay for. That one is very nice. Pay a dollar for 12 minutes and stay for an hour and 12 minutes.
    The rules are slightly different in Hutt City. For example if the normal limit is 120 minutes you can’t stay any longer whereas Wellington would be 3 hours.
    Where you live may not offer things like this.
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes I think I can use it in an ordinary park, if you have issues and you put the card out they leave you alone. I actually think you can avoid parking fees, but would have to check that.
      
      Yes I do have a card from when my hips were stuffed
      
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      August 2, 2025 12:15pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I have a mobility card and no where does it say which car you drive, I have a new car and the card still applies.
    
    When I needed my hips done I got and paid for the car for 5 years, so I still use the card at times, not sure how you daughters car could be unfairly pinged, when someone checks on status, they see the card, there is no number plate on the card, maybe when you register there is an audited plate, but no one goes and checks that
    
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    August 2, 2025 12:13pm
    - Ghost
      
      So now your hips are done, you don’t need the card, but will use it anyway and take up a car park that someone actually needs
      
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      August 2, 2025 1:46pm
      - Paulus
        
        My wife has has two hips done the last one had a fews hours later a Stroke, so she can hardly walk, and of course no longer drive, so I am grateful as her caregiver too to us the card when we go out.
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:21pm
      - Ghost
        
        Yes, there are genuine people that need the car parks, my parents have mobility card. Then there are people who use the car parks that don’t need them
        
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        August 2, 2025 2:32pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I still have issues at times, mainly when going out for lunch and dinner sitting too long. I was told when I bought the card that it is fine to use it once I get my hips done. Thanks for suggesting I am a pos, but I have been told it will take more than one year to be fully back healthy, since my second hip was in January I will listen to what the physio and surgeon told me, thanks for making me feel worse ffs
        
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        August 2, 2025 9:32pm
RoboRob

Dear minister of energy Simon Watts.

As we head into the final year of your governments first term, led by a historically unpopular PM who is tied in the polls with the massively incompetent Chris Hipkens, we face a shortage of power next winter and more price hikes. You have not completed most of the urgent actions your promised would be completed before this winter. Many of those changes will take years to make a difference.

I assume you understand that power shortages in an election year are likely to be the difference between winning and losing. Whilst I am unsatisfied by Nationals progress this term, I would hate to have the hapless labour party back in power.

So I ask, what is it you are doing to avoid an energy crisis next year. I don’t think hoping for rain and a warm windy winter as a good strategy.
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- R
  
  RoboRob, I don’t recall reading your criticisms of the Labouur Party, activists and ideologically deluded environmentalists, back in the 1970-80 period when theses groups were hell bent on destroying the NZ ECONOMY . Result was the cancelation of many credible hydro schemes, hence the looming power crisis.
  NB: would probably have helped a lot if the Maori sun God had actually captured the sun and kept it in place over NZ. Solar panels may have been successful now!
  
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  August 2, 2025 11:20am
  - goNZ1
    
    Looks like Elon will lose days pay….
    
    (CNN) — A Florida jury on Friday found Tesla liable in the 2019 fatal crash of an Autopilot-equipped Model S, and ordered Elon Musk’s automaker to pay $329 million to the family of a deceased woman and an injured survivor.
    
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    August 2, 2025 1:46pm
  - RoboRob
    
    You obviously missed my dozens of posts criticising Megan Wooods & JA.
    
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    August 2, 2025 10:46pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They are debating the oil and gas ban now, it passed on Thursday, Watts spoke as minister, and slayed Labour and Ardern for banning oil and gas without a transitional supply to generate power.
  
  I think He as minister is well named for the portfolio. Hahahaha
  
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  August 2, 2025 12:18pm
- peterwn
  
  It is not the Government’s job to deal with an energy ‘crisis’ ie subsidise electricity supply or guarantee capital expenditure. Nor should the Government demand a safety blanket for major customers and retailers who over expose themselves to spot price.
  Surprise, surprise, the current system is working very effectively. There has so far been no issues this winter and the major gentailers have projects and plans in place to meet next winter’s demand.
  The key thing the Government can do is to make it easier for companies to develop electricity production.
  
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  August 2, 2025 12:59pm
  - balanced
    
    I agree, The key thing the Government can do is to make it easier for companies to develop electricity production.
    
    ALSO….. like the supermarkets, the government must coerce an experienced efficient operator to nz to defeat the cartel!
    
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    August 2, 2025 3:00pm
    - CJames
      
      None of the companies promoting new generation want to develop unless they can sign a contract with a gentailer.
      
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      August 2, 2025 5:33pm
    - balanced
      
      I worked in the electricity generation sector for a few years. There were a number of costed and approved generation projects sitting on the backburner until demand was sufficient to keep the prices high.
      
      CJames, are you a benefactor of the cartel which is robbing money from Kiwi wages, preventing money flowing into other productive export eaners, and making exporters less competitive by driving up their costs?
      
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      August 3, 2025 8:35am
- David Garrett
  
  Robo: “Hapless” means unlucky… many people – including you – dont seem to know that
  
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  August 2, 2025 6:09pm
  - RoboRob
    
    True. I thouht it was another way of saying useless. Thats what I meant 🙂
    
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    August 2, 2025 10:47pm
Notsofast

This podcast series sounds as if it should be compulsory for New Zealand schools and institutions, unpacking the nonsense emanating from indigenous belief blending with science.
Orogins with Laurence Krause

https://youtu.be/VR675JZUvX4?si=t8sd0jCKrlx_HP5V
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- David Garrett
  
  Notso: please dont use the word “unpacking” in this context…one unpacks a suitcase, not an argument or opinion…”explain” will do or perhaps “elaborate upon “
  
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  August 2, 2025 6:11pm
Ghost

President Donald Trump has fired a key economic official, accusing her of manipulating employment data for political reasons – without giving evidence – after a new report showed cracks in the US jobs market.

US job growth missed expectations last month, Labor Department data showed, and revisions to hiring figures in recent months brought them to the weakest levels since the Covid-19 pandemic.

Article

Moral of the story, fake your data so the boss doesn’t fire you……
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- alwyn.a
  
  “fake your data so the boss doesn’t fire you”.
  
  No, no. You should not fake the data. You must, in Trump’s universe, always tell the truth. However you must remember that the truth is whatever The Donald says it is. Like a former PM we had who told us that “Unless you hear it from us, it is not the truth.”. As with Jacinda The Donald is the sole source of truth and you cannot be telling the truth unless you are following the bosses’ script.
  
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  August 2, 2025 12:02pm
  - Paulus
    
    As you suggesting that a number of New Zealand Departments, like say perhaps, Statistics may have been faking results for years.
    
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    August 2, 2025 2:23pm
- Simon
  
  Employment data has always been manipulated.
  
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  August 2, 2025 12:18pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  I’m agnostic on Trump’s claims because:
  
  a) On the one hand we’ve had demonstrated to us for eight years that there are “public servants” in the US who are nothing more than Democrat partisans – plus a few GOPrs who also hate his guts and enjoy screwing him with quiet behind-the-scenes Sir Humphrey games.
  
  b) On the other hand this team have already shown they’ve got problems, as when they kept revising down previously announced job numbers through 2023-2024, culminating in a massive revision in early 2024 for the previous year of 818,000 fewer jobs than they’d previously said were created.
  
  Sounds like rank incompetence.
  
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  August 2, 2025 1:19pm
- NoFax
  
  Quoting the Herald? These activists hate Trump, so I wouldn’t expect anything true in this article and will simply lie and distort the truth, so I am not getting excited by this story until a more credible source comes through.
  
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  August 2, 2025 1:29pm
  - Ghost
    
    So what’s wrong in it. Did he fire her, yes. Did he give a reason, no. So what exactly is wrong with it? BTW it’s not a herald article
    
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    August 2, 2025 1:36pm
Swifty

Excellent.

Now the poor neighbours might find a return to quiet enjoyment of their lives free from the negative effects of this family.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mother-of-seven-samantha-tepana-evicted-from-kainga-ora-home-after-45-complaints-from-neighbours/G7VELA3B7REQFAWNLA6NKRAJUE/

The family concerned might learn from this and be better people in their next home.

Being responsible people is not that hard.

And good to see her playing the race card came to naught.
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- Ghost
  
  The family concerned might learn from this and be better people in their next home.
  
  Stop, please, my sides are hurting from laughing so much. Are you booked for the NZ Comedy Festival?
  
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  August 2, 2025 11:27am
  - Swifty
    
    Heh
    
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    August 2, 2025 11:57am
  - David Garrett
    
    Ghost: I’m with you on this one – although because the article is paywalled i can only read the first para.
    
    She was, she says: “set up to fail” because the area she and her numerous bastard children were housed was “not for Maori”. What is an area “set up for Maori” like?
    
    Presumably One where loud parties, swearing, arguments, aggression towards neighbours and property damage is acceptable?
    
    Well, who would have thunk it.
    
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    August 2, 2025 6:20pm
    - artemisia
      
      DG, fortunately the Tenancy Tribunal decision is readily available. The media get their stories from there.
      
      https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/TT/abstract.html?id=12062316_234414432&applicationNumber=5283820
      
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      August 2, 2025 6:27pm
- Simon
  
  “Being responsible people is not that hard.”
  
  Wrong. Its beyond some people for cultural reasons.
  
  Time for Iwi to step up. They are members of a tribe the tribe can help out.
  
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  August 2, 2025 12:22pm
I remember when

Dog Attack: Woman in hospital: Manawatu Standard. (Today.0
A woman in her 80s is in hospital and a dog has been put down after an attack in Palmerston North, ….
….the incident happened last Wednesday… (23 July)
The woman was bitten by a six-year-old bull mastiff…

Apparently she was out for a walk and the dog knocked her over from behind.
What the article didn’t say is that she has a broken leg and has been to Wellington for skin grafts on the other leg.
She expects to be in hospital for about six weeks.
The article says a police officer reported the incident initially,( a police vehicle came along, either as or shortly after the attack occurred,) however police were not currently involved.
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  They should charge the dog owner as if they themselves attacked the woman.
  
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  August 2, 2025 12:01pm
  - Simon
    
    “They should charge the dog owner”
    
    Amazed at the parallel universe some people live in. NZ standards which everyone here grew up with are long gone. NZ is quickly reverting to some backward third world country in many aspects and people here on kiwiblog refuse to see or understand. NZ is gone.
    
    They should charge the owner………….
    
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    August 2, 2025 12:26pm
AndyW

Why TF is Stuff (I know, stupid question) lionising the death of Santana Mista Jamie Poto Marsh: Stuff headline: Family mourns soon-to-be dad who died in Pukekohe crash…the muppet was on a stolen motorbike and fled from the cops. “Stryke” according to a whanau member: “He had a good heart. Maybe he didn’t always make the right choices in life but he was loved.” FFS the idiot was 29 and had a kid on the way. We need to identify these idiots at an early age (and the schools can do it) and sterilize them so they’re not adding to the tax burden. FFS!!
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August 2, 2025 5:47pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360778864/chosen-fashion-gods-owner-167-million-handbag-reveals-why-he-bought-it

“the actress, who designed the bag on the back of an airplane sickness bag and used it nearly every day…”: let’s face it, it is just a bloody handbag, real value about the same as a paper sickness bag. Sick? quite right.
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August 2, 2025 5:52pm
Prince

Another day of NZ Media parading Palestinian woes.
Do they ever mention the israeli hostages and what they are going through, assuming they are still alive ?
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  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/hostage-videos-show-emaciated-israelis-hamas-blames-israel-for-starvation/55SGLADNHRGT5IZBQ2FUYX43AI/
  
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  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Then hand back the hostages and the war ends tomorrow
    
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    August 2, 2025 9:35pm

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