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CJames

If anyone needs proof of just how big a bullet NZ dodged when the government changed last election, look no further than UK. That is the model Chippy would follow. Two tier Keir and Rachel from accounts have near bankrupted the country. Crime is skyrocketing – no-one feels safe.. Criminal blasphemy laws are back to protect Muslims. Pub talk has been criminalised. The government is paying for the illegal migrants to stay in posh hotels, bring all the sex crimes into rural Britain.
The latest is they are clamping down more on anti-government speech- with the 1984ish Online Safety Act. The limitations are ridiculous and there are already jail sentences for tweets, but not for violent assaults. Watching “Yes Minister” or “The Dambusters” is now seen as proof of extreme rightwing views that need further investigation.
The current government may not be that good, but it is hell of a lot better than the alternative. And isn’t perfect the enemy of good?
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August 3, 2025 8:01am
- David Garrett
  
  Cj: how on earth is watching The Dambusters evidence of extreme right wing views? Surely it cant be because Gibsons dog was called nigger?
  
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  August 3, 2025 8:28am
  - CJames
    
    That wasn’t the reason David, it was a lot more stupid than that. It was because it promoted cultural nationalism – views like “Western culture is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups”. . So you are near the top of their NZ list. But don’t worry owning the collected works of Shakespeare is also a red flag sign of an extremist.
    
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    August 3, 2025 8:37am
    - David Garrett
      
      CJ: Are we talking about the same film? The Dambusters made post WW II had nothing to do with “cultural natonalism” or mass migration. Obviously I am missing something, or we are talking about different movies.
      
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      August 3, 2025 8:51am
      - CJames
        
        It is the 1955 film and you are correct that it has nothing to do with that. But is on the Prevent list as a sign. I said it was stupid but it is a bureaucratic checklist.
        
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        August 3, 2025 8:57am
      - David Garrett
        
        CJ: Orwell was right. God help us all.
        
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        August 3, 2025 9:01am
      - imalwaysright
        
        Dambusters is on the list because it displays British ingenuity and bravery against a fascist régime.
        
        They don’t want the ordinary Brit to get any funny ideas about using bravery and ingenuity against the current fascist régime – the British government.
        
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        August 3, 2025 9:18am
      - Wandering Star
        
        “The Dambusters made post WW II had nothing to do with “cultural natonalism” or mass migration. Obviously I am missing something, or we are talking about different movies.”
        
        Yes, you are indeed missing something David, but you are certainly not alone in this. What you are missing is a deep understanding of cause and effect, and an ability to analyse the current state of affairs and reach sound conclusions about them. One of the main reasons you and so many others of your generation are unable to do so is because you have been marinated in propaganda and indoctrination all of your life, to the point where you will react with hostility to the point I am about to make below.
        
        I’ve made the case before that, despite repudiating mass migration and, to some extent, decrying the loss of nationalism and nationalistic sentiments, and the rise of what could be categorised as quite bizarre social phenomena (e.g. trans ideology), the “Dambusters” and all of the other mythologised battle groups fighting against the Germans in WW2 were actually fighting for the mass immigration, the anti-nationalism, the hyper-social liberalisation that are so often denounced in places like this blog.
        
        In other words, we have been living in the victory conditions of WW2 during the past 80 years, in which time all of these phenomena have taken root, and metasticised like a cancer.
        
        Now, they may have fought bravely and many gave their lives in the fight, but by and large, they were hoodwinked, ignorant of what was actually being fought for, and therefore did not appreciate what defeating the Germans meant for the future.
        
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        August 3, 2025 10:36am
      - Jack5
        
        Hunds across the sea from Tonga (DG’s post at 8.28) …
        
        How significant is the lower-case “n” given to the “N word” when this is the name of a dog –Dam Buster Gibson’s dog?
        
        Is this merely nieglectful tiypinkg?
        
        Aksing for a friend whose typink is fl~~oor~~awless.
        
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        August 3, 2025 11:23am
      - David Garrett
        
        WS: You are one very odd fellow…and one with very little knowledge of WW II and what it was all about.
        
        Jack: Totally lacking significance mate…lazy typing will do
        
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        August 3, 2025 2:28pm
    - kowtow
      
      The likes of Starmer and his AG Hermer would most likely had the Service Police arrest Gibson and Co on landing after the dam raid as ‘war criminals” what with so many civilians killed in their sleep by the down stream flood caused .
      They might have even been convinced by the likes of Quisling and the Vichy govt to recognise the Berlin regime , afterall Allied blockades were causing starvation in the Reich!
      
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      August 3, 2025 9:39am
      - Wandering Star
        
        As I state above, without the Dambusters and units like them, Britain would never have been able to become the “Island of Strangers” Starmer, Blair, and in fact the entire British establishment have created since WW2.
        
        I think the “problem” these people have with the Dambusters et al is that, despite their war efforts laying the foundations for Modern Multicultural Britain, their crime is that they were White. No doubt they would prefer that squadrons of Black pilots had defeated the Germans who, like the Brits who actually fought in WW2, were racist Whites.
        
        Listen to how they talk, whether implicitly or explicitly, because it gives the game away: they think all White people are racists (collectively denoted “Nazis”); therefore, the Brit Nazis who fought against the German Nazis were basically White racists fighting against other White racists; but in the one defeating the other in the name of “freedom,” we all now get to bask in the glories of diversity and the wonderful non-Whiteness it brings.
        
        Look at Germany post-WW2: there was a conscious “de-Nazification” program (that is, indoctrinating Germans into hating themselves for being German – sound familiar?), and although it was never as explicit or officially proclaimed, the rest of the Western world post-WW2 was also thus “de-Nazified.”
        
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        August 3, 2025 1:05pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        WS: “I think the “problem” these people have with the Dambusters et al is that, despite their war efforts laying the foundations for Modern Multicultural Britain, their crime is that they were White.”
        
        Probably spot on there. I grant you that much.
        
        The rest, not so much. 😵‍💫
        
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        August 3, 2025 5:21pm
    - I remember when
      
      ‘lack of integration.’
      Shouldn’t the ease of integration always be a factor when we consider allowing people to become residents?
      Why do we always look at it as a oneway problem?
      Surely, the problems are just as great for those who are entering the country?
      
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      August 3, 2025 11:48am
  - balanced
    
    The issue the UK citizens face is a disastrous choice on both sides of the house.
    
    Boris Johnson’s and Nigel Farage’s disgraceful brexit propaganda, promoted by Rupert Murdoch, convinced a majority of UK citizens to vote to leave.
    
    The only people benefitting from brexit are the wealthy who no longer have to pay for the workers rights mandated by the eu.
    
    The rest of the UK are (as predicted by honest commentators) seeing their standard of living fall away.
    
    Interestingly Liverpool was the only major city to vote stay. Because of reporting on the Hillsborough disaster, scouser’s boycott the sun newspaper. Incredible how one Australian tycoon can play such a pivotal role in ruining a country.
    
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    August 3, 2025 8:47am
    - gravedodger
      
      About as balanced as half a see saw?
      
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      August 3, 2025 1:11pm
      - balanced
        
        See stats below gravedigger.
        
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        August 3, 2025 2:36pm
    - mogg
      
      Your fake news falls at the first hurdle.
      If you think you are right on this matter, why is the Remainer supporting BBC News consistently losing viewers and listeners. While the GB News, Brexit supporting, especially the Farage programme, constantly gaining viewers and listeners, to the point where they have become the UKs no 1 news channel.
      
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      August 3, 2025 1:27pm
      - balanced
        
        Mogg, interesting extrapolation of media outlet audiences….. See poll below
        
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        August 3, 2025 3:34pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      The wealthy and powerful were all against Brexit. What does that tell you? Everything has been done to make Brexit fail by those individuals and entities. It’s just baffling to me why so many can’t see how various elites were/are just protecting their own interests and wallets.
      
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      August 3, 2025 1:42pm
      - balanced
        
        Statica…..
        As of June 2025, 56 percent of people in Great Britain thought that it was wrong to leave the European Union, compared with 31 percent who thought it was the right decision. During this time period, the share of people who regret Brexit has been slightly higher than those who support it
        
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        August 3, 2025 2:19pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        #balanced. Because. Brexit. Was. Sabotaged.
        
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        August 4, 2025 3:47am
  - Philview
    
    Peter Jackson tried to do a remake of the Dambusters but ran into a lot of left wing political pushback so shelved it.
    
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    August 3, 2025 8:47am
- artemisia
  
  New Zealand needs certain skills. Sounds like a good time to proactively attract UK citizens here.
  
  Several years ago there was a UK survey asking people who wanted to emigrate their reasons. #1 was traffic! I guess that might have dropped down the list a little bit these days.
  
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  August 3, 2025 8:33am
  - waikatosinger
    
    Yes, but please no UK police.
    
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    August 3, 2025 8:49am
  - Scooter
    
    Bad idea, NZ has always attracted people from the UK, and maybe too many of a leftist persuasion that have infiltrated the public service and jumped on the Maorification bandwagon.
    
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    August 3, 2025 9:38am
  - kowtow
    
    Yeah but presumably one doesn’t want all the Wokies . They’re seriously f@#ked by them there.
    
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    August 3, 2025 10:10am
  - rouppe
    
    Have you forgotten that back when uk migration was higher, what we got was a whole bunch of trade unionists?
    
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    August 3, 2025 10:13am
  - Red Rooster
    
    But please no government bureaucrats! I suspect we already have a few too many that have already arrived. They bring the crap with them!
    
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    August 3, 2025 11:19am
  - Jack5
    
    There will very shortly be quite a few million more to choose from in the UK.
    
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    August 3, 2025 11:31am
  - Paulus
    
    Careful as to know what a UK Citizen now is.
    I left 50 years ago to here for 3 years, and on numerous returns must say how it has changed by walking down the high street.
    Difficult, even after 50 years to comprehend as to who may or may not be a UK citizen any more.
    
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    August 3, 2025 2:12pm
- Inandout
  
  CJ, I can easily believe the clampdown on older UK comedies that are aligned with Starmer’s idea of ‘right wing’. Meantime the boat people still flow in to this 4 star hotel. Bloody unbelievable.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGFYZoME9N8
  
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  August 3, 2025 9:23am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Not 5 star?! Their human rights are being violated! #RefugeesDeserveFiveStars
    
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    August 3, 2025 1:44pm
- rouppe
  
  Unfortunately I am becoming more convinced that there will be a change of government next year.
  
  Local body elections this year will be the signal.
  
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  August 3, 2025 10:12am
- kiwimike
  
  That may be so.
  
  But National is slow walking us into Maori Apartheid with their “Nothing burger” actions in not unwrapping the Maorification of New Zealand.
  
  The increase of Co-Governorship and Apartheid rules and quotas in different parts of New Zealand society.
  
  Definably a 2 tier society.
  
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  August 3, 2025 11:14am
  - waikatosinger
    
    I assume you will be voting NZ1st or ACT then.
    
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    August 3, 2025 3:01pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  A snapshot of the UK today.
  
  Chinese gangs illegally import bulk tobacco which is then stuffed into pouches by Chinese students working illegally which is then sold to Kurdish gangs who sell it under the counter in mini marts. Vapes are similarly handled. It makes more money than illegal drugs. The whole process is surrounded by criminality and violence.
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgevynly99o
  
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  August 3, 2025 11:48am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Watching “Yes Minister” is now proof of extreme rightwing views? Jeez, so my critics are right then.
  
  Can you provide a link to back up that statement, CJames?
  
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  August 3, 2025 12:27pm
  - CJames
    
    Go to Daily Sceptic
    
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    August 3, 2025 1:47pm
Cassandra

I read Newsroom daily. It is the most consistently far-left publication in the country. Only overt outfits such as Socialist Weekly are more blatantly extremist.

Some of the comments are outstanding: apparently Hamas used to be antisemitic but is not now; Israel started ethnic cleaning in 1947 while the Arabs welcomed the Jews. Never any mention of pogroms throughout Europe and the Ottoman Empire. Or for that matter the extermination policy of the Arabs led by the Mufti of Jerusalem.

Funded by the Integrity (sic) Institute.

But Newsroom is not alone. From The New Yorker:
“In Gaza, where displaced children play a game called “air strike” and act out death, the lack of mental-health resources has become another emergency.” And the author is? Mohammed R. Mhawish, Quelle surprise.

All these lefties consistently publish that Hamas is somehow one of three parties – the other two being Israel and the totally disinterested Gaza. For clarity, Hamas is the elected government,of Gaza. If the West Bank held an election Hamas would be the Government of Arab Palestine.This is not a war between Hamas and Likud. It is a small number of Jews versus a very large number of Arabs, aided and abetted by Iran.
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August 3, 2025 8:04am
- artemisia
  
  Once upon a time there was Hamas the elected government, and Hamas the widely-designated terrorist group. These days?
  
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  August 3, 2025 8:42am
  - kowtow
    
    Hamas , the government of Gaza , part of the two state solution that western nations think is a “solution” have released footage of starving hostages who they kidnapped .
    
    The imagery is reminiscent of those “never again” concentration camps liberated in 1945 .
    
    Yet western politicians and particularly msm are on the side of the genocidal , terrorists Hamas and their Iranian clerical backers .
    
    Will these images be as widely spread in our media and commented on as those fake Palestinian ones were.
    
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    August 3, 2025 8:53am
  - G152
    
    They are now the ‘media’ reporting on their manufactured Jewish warcrimes while playing down their own crimes
    
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    August 3, 2025 9:17am
  - Paulus
    
    Didn’t Hamas invade Israel last October
    Or do I accept the Al Jazeera version ?
    Why will Hamas never let any living Hostages go ?
    
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    August 3, 2025 9:27am
    - David Garrett
      
      Paulus: Are u saying Al Jazeera claims there was no attack on 7 October? Surely not.
      
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      August 3, 2025 9:39am
      - Colville
        
        There are organisations that claim the death camps were all a Jewish scam ….so anything is possible.
        
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        August 3, 2025 10:53am
      - Paulus
        
        No, Al Jezeera will not even mention the rapacious way that Hamas invaded Israel, I understand only from Hamas way.
        
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        August 3, 2025 2:15pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      I think the Hamas invade Israel, is a miss use of the English language. Pedantic I know. But facts do matter to me (and DG)
      
      Invade: To enter by force in order to conquer
      
      No way did Hamas and others invade(we seem to forget that Hamas was only part of the attack group).
      
      Perhaps it would be more correct to say Hamas lead part of a terrorist raid in to Israel.
      
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      August 3, 2025 12:11pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Ra: you took the words off my fingers Sir…
        
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        August 3, 2025 4:53pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      October 7 2023
      
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      August 3, 2025 3:04pm
    - oldpark
      
      @Paulus 9.27am
      
      To settle the debate who or what attacked Israeli Jews on 07 10 2023.
      For the first time ever for any Worldwide Mainstream Media? NZ Mainstream Media will show the Video that was shot of the Massacre and Rapes and Murders of circa 1200 people on that fateful day.Yeah Right!.
      Pigs might fly before that truth is ever revealed.
      
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      August 3, 2025 4:09pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        You mean the cleverly edited Video put out by the IDF and immediately shown to selected groups of “”gullible”” journalists and not to the public at large?
        
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        August 3, 2025 9:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Spinoff would rival Newsroom for left-leaning views….
  
  Here’s another Chloe piece. published there…..(read the comments if you want to see how others view her)
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/31-07-2025/echo-chamber-the-interminable-rage-of-chloe-swarbrick
  
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  August 3, 2025 9:17am
  - David Garrett
    
    Mags: Good God almighty…those comments are truly scary…surely one commenter cant really believe the government – of which I am certainly no fan – is “a bunch of illiterate sociopaths”? Really?
    
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    August 3, 2025 9:49am
    - rouppe
      
      When you combine the number who think Chloe and the greens are the savior, and the number who think the maori party is about restoring equality, there is a core who truly hate the rest of us.
      
      You’re in a safer place in Tonga.
      
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      August 3, 2025 10:37am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Wow – some very low yield brain power/activity there.
    
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    August 3, 2025 11:05am
  - peterwn
    
    One comment was ‘Chlöe for Prime Minister’. As Jacinda found out, oratory is one thing, herding cats (her Cabinet, MP’s, coalition partners) is quite another thing. I suspect that Chlöe would find herding cats equally daunting.
    
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    August 3, 2025 11:50am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      A screech owl herding cats? That’s quite a picture.
      
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      August 3, 2025 11:57am
    - AitchW
      
      Can you imagine Chloe trying to herd the Maori party cats? Waititi and Ngarewa-Packer would be de facto PM and deputy within days of signing the coalition agreement.
      Tamatha Paul for speaker anyone?
      
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      August 3, 2025 4:48pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It would appear NZ is screwed unless the current govt faces the danger and pulls funding on ALL taxpayer funded operations connected to brainwashing youth with woke BS and starts seeking out and firing public servants who are running sabotage actions.
    
    There are just too many young people brainwashed with silly BS.
    
    I fear National is happy to ride NZ into the abyss, breezily stepping off into their retirements as the screams of the masses are heard all around them..
    
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    August 3, 2025 5:46pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Indeed. Bryce Edwards has thoroughly disgraced himself with his “integrity institute” deliberately astroturfing left wing positions.
  
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  August 3, 2025 10:14am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Edwards had moments where he was giving balanced views.
    This would have been seen as a threat to the left. Maybe that’s why they’ve employed him.
    Hopefully not.
    
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    August 3, 2025 3:09pm
- Wandering Star
  
  I don’t think it’s a “lefty” position to be anti-Israel, it’s really just an attitude anyone with eyes and ears adopts.
  
  I must say that it’s impressive how Jews in general, and the Jewish State of Israel in particular, have the chutzpah to continue to play the role of the eternal victim, regardless of the facts of the matter.
  
  Up to 90% of Gaza has been reduced to piles of rubble, tens or hundreds of thousands of civilians are dead or displaced, Hamas has basically ceased to exist as a military entity, and scores of children are being starved to death – but no, the Israelis are the real victims here.
  
  It’s one of those “2 plus 2 equals 5” attitudes we thought only appeared in dystopian fiction. The desperate double-think being engaged in is off the charts.
  
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  August 3, 2025 11:04am
  - gravedodger
    
    Wondering what happened to all the woke marshmallow brains who decried turning Berlin into rubble and starvation of civilians in 1945, seems to be a total dearth of recorded history portraying that?
    
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    August 3, 2025 1:18pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      If you want to go over WWII – there was always Hamburg being reduced to ashes in 1943 ….
      
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      August 3, 2025 6:19pm
  - Paulus
    
    Hamas has not returned all the hostages they took and the bodies of some they killed !
    
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    August 3, 2025 2:17pm
Bridgenag

american iconography
the ideology of hallucination runs smack into reality

“the world has changed. people are deathly sick of having to play make-believe and pretend that a bunch of hyper-aggressive crybullies rampaging around in the full flower of their pathological personalities and life choices represent “normal” when what has been going on in recent years has been nothing of the sort.
it’s been a force-feeding of exotic, even insane ideas treating the public like some sort of pâté geese to be shoved full of wokester wheat, fattened for a kill to come.
it was flood-the-box level propaganda and demoralization.
very few people actually thought this was a good idea.
but everyone was forced by cancel culture mobs to pretend as though they did.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/american-iconography?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
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August 3, 2025 8:19am
- kowtow
  
  Talking of cancel culture , not just America .
  
  Plunket and his Platform are facing a shocking campaign against him ,targetting his advertisers .
  
  I don’t reckon that would get any air time on RNZ Media Watch .
  
  There are some very nasty people out there .
  
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  August 3, 2025 8:30am
Cassandra

Telling it like it is: a blogger named Matua comments on a State tenant being, finally, evicted: “Tepana didn’t fail because she’s Māori. She failed because she’s a selfish, entitled parasite who expected the country to house her and all her kids while she ran riot. The only thing she was “set up” to do was destroy everything around her. She did it with pride. Ka kite!”
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August 3, 2025 8:20am
- David Garrett
  
  Cass: You missed a bit She was set up to fail apparently, because the area she was housed in was “not for Maori”… which means neighbours objected to constant parties, fighting and loud arguments late at night, aggression and damage to their property.
  
  I have known a good few Maori in my time…none of them wanted to live on the location of “Once were warriors”
  
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  August 3, 2025 8:59am
  - BananaLlama
    
    lol, there is a reason why she didn’t want to move back to an area that has social housing “for Maori”.
    
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    August 3, 2025 9:18am
  - David Garrett
    
    ….and what hope do her nine kids have? They won’t be going to school – and truant officers will be too scared to confront Tepana and her associates – so they will end unqualified losers – prime gang material – or become baby factories like their mother.
    
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    August 3, 2025 9:35am
    - rouppe
      
      Given she’s in social housing and seems to move a lot I doubt anyone knows about the kids to send a truancy officer
      
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      August 3, 2025 10:45am
  - peterwn
    
    I think she has a point here. How about a settlement of vandal proof homes built a bit away from other areas (but with at least a 1/2 hourly bus service). In Wellington, the Happy Valley area would be an ideal location. She and her mates can hold all the wild parties they like without upsetting neighbours (but they will probably be upset).
    
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    August 3, 2025 11:59am
    - NoFax
      
      I think it would be better to house them in the most affluent and liberal areas of the country. These people make decisions that they never have to live with; it would be nice for them to face the consequences of their luxurious beliefs.
      
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      August 3, 2025 3:47pm
- Yvette
  
  Cassandra, from an unknown source –
  
  A knife-edge:
  • If a child is raised hearing only that they are descendants of loss, of being marginal, downtrodden, or “at the bottom of the heap” — then that identity can become a psychic cage.
  • Alternatively, if that same truth is shared alongside mana — pride, resilience, whakapapa, and the ancient strength that predates colonisation — then the historical pain becomes a challenge, not a sentence.
  Some messaging — whether from media, leadership, or social currents — seems to tilt more toward fatalism than fortitude. If the message to a Māori child is “You are born wounded and trapped,” what else can grow but despair?
  “To hand a child a mirror made of cracked grievance is to teach them to see themselves in pieces”
  
  A question may be – Who exactly does this to Maori children, or any other children for that matter?
  What is written on the clean slate they are born with, predisposes what they will write themselves.
  Or how they will see their world.
  
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  August 3, 2025 10:07am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Perhaps they need to be adopted by a pakeha family named Smith
    
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    August 3, 2025 1:07pm
  - Paulus
    
    Blimey – there were only about 20,000 innocent and ignorant Maori some 185 Treaty years ago – being maximum of some 11 generations from primative people known for their warlike attitude and cannibalism.
    There are no Maori since about 1960.
    However how far forward have the non Maori brought them – not far enough but the look of it as violence is still very present in Maori in many ways, in all parts of their mixed intergenerations.
    
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    August 3, 2025 2:27pm
    - R
      
      Paulus, the ‘Maori problem’ is, that a group of ideologically indoctrinated have been convinced that tribalism is the ultimate lifestyle if you want a satisfying life.
      
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      August 3, 2025 4:51pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  I wonder, was this Tepana woman herself a child of the DPB? Bolger, Shipley and Key all had the chance to reform the DPB by limiting it to one child per woman, but failed to act. It was supposed to get women out of a awkward situation, not to be the lifestyle its become.
  
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  August 3, 2025 3:30pm
  - R
    
    Some woman, not only Maori, have little self pride nor respect; hence the lifestyle that they live.
    
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    August 3, 2025 4:54pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Pope: Quite so…and IIRC when the DPB was introduced in 1974 to replace the “deserted wives” benefit, the then Minister publicly opined that there would be “perhaps 500” recipients of it at any one time.
    
    As always, I stand to be corrected.
    Certainly no one ever thought there would be tene of thousands of them.
    
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    August 3, 2025 5:02pm
James

Exactly Cass
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August 3, 2025 8:38am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Umh0cx8m74
Kim Yo-jong releases back-to-back statements toward Seoul, Washington.
The biggest problem is the Kim family. There will be no middle ground for as long as they are in charge. Or until makes Lil Rocketman an offer he can’t refuse.
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August 3, 2025 8:44am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITcIfhKEy58
U.S. To Close China Transshipment Loophole With New 40% Duty Rule.
In response to China’s rare earth ban, the United States is moving to tighten trade loopholes with new tariffs.
New U.S. tariff rates are drawing mixed reactions across Indo-Pacific countries. We look at their responses.
China is demanding security proof from Nvidia—alleging trust and potential risks with U.S.-imported chips. We speak to a senior national security editor for insights. [Must suck to be the CCP.]
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August 3, 2025 8:44am
Maggy Wassilieff

Time for a revamp of the NCEA… or discard the damn thing?

“We just esteem university education much more highly than apprenticeship training for no really good reason. Trades people can earn great money and there’s no reason why an arts degree, for example, should be seen as better than an electrical qualification or a plumbing qualification.”

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/08/john-macdonald-should-ncea-cater-more.html
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August 3, 2025 8:55am
- PurplePen
  
  The grandfather of AI, I forget his name, in an interview on what job would you get said … become a plumber. Everything else in about 20 years will be taken by AI and robots.
  
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  August 3, 2025 9:03am
  - JerJer
    
    That is a bit ironic. The Grandfather of AI. Lots were said about it at the time and it failed, it’s failing again. AI is not much different to what it was in the 70s and 80s except the market is better and the people are dumber. Not many jobs will be lost to AI, there will be some incremental efficiency gains and some dumb
    People will be able to produce letters with better grammar but that is about all.
    
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    August 3, 2025 1:20pm
    - PurplePen
      
      Thanks to AI: Proctor and Gamble recently got rid of about 7000 white collar workers, Microsoft 15000 and a raft of middle management jobs, Intel 24,500.
      
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      August 3, 2025 3:12pm
      - JerJer
        
        Yep. You are right. 5-10% efficiency gains by automating the dead wood. AI (or automation as it is in 90% of the cases) is a great way to remove useless people at the margins, but it’s no miracle, just incremental. We are doing it at our organisation. Machines don’t get sick all the time, don’t have attitude or entitlement mentality and work 24 hours per day. If only they applied it to government departments which are the least efficient of all you could get rid of half via simple automation most probably.
        
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        August 3, 2025 3:59pm
      - JerJer
        
        You quotes here are fake news too. P&G are laying off 7000 sure, but the are not being replaced with AI. It’s just a restructure that happens all the time in these corporates. Nice fake plug for AI though.
        
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        August 3, 2025 4:03pm
- David Garrett
  
  Maggy: I am in awe of electricians. Every day they work with something you can’t hear smell or see – but which can easily kill you if you make a mistake.
  The worst that can happen to me if I fuck up badly is I get sued.
  
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  August 3, 2025 9:05am
- PurplePen
  
  I’ll also add “We just esteem university education” as quoted above. Absolutely. Today’s issue is just about anyone with half a brain is let into university and hence the result is dim-witted professors and other various lectures that end up in our MSM opinion pages spouting poorly reached conclusions rarely based on fact .. just like the one I’ve just made.
  
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  August 3, 2025 9:06am
  - Paulus
    
    Almost every day at least one or more columns or half pages is written by an eminent so called University titled person – I suppose their work is cheaper than a professi0nal newspaper person.
    
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    August 3, 2025 2:31pm
- balanced
  
  Ncea has been a disaster for our boys who perform better under the competitive environment of exams and standardized, comparable, understandable marks.
  
  NZs low productivity and low income stems from a poor education system (why do our teachers and nurses have to forgo 3 years of earnings and incur large debts to not perform any better than nurses and teachers who trained as apprentices?) coupled with underpaying and under-appreciating talent.
  
  My overseas salary was 5 times the money offered to me in nz.
  
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  August 3, 2025 9:08am
  - An Old Kiwi
    
    @balanced
    What “nurses and teachers who trained as apprentices”?
    
    The only pathway to those professions is via degrees, gained at universities or polytechs.
    
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    August 3, 2025 12:44pm
    - balanced
      
      That is true but certainly not always so. The UK used to have nurse apprenticeships.
      
      It makes no sense to make nurses and teachers lose 3 years of wages plus incur large student debt for skills which are no more demanding than building a house.
      
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      August 3, 2025 1:43pm
    - GJM
      
      8t is now. It didn’t used to be that way. Hence a retired cabinetmaker could teach woodworking without 3 years of indoctrination in Maori wonderfulness. This is why they have trouble getting good teachers for these subjects.
      
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      August 3, 2025 2:17pm
    - R
      
      Up to themid 1980’s or thereabouts zNurses were trained at Hospitals. The on site Nurses Home was the source of many a bride. Well trained and practical people,. I believe Comrade Clark as Min of Health changed the system.
      
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      August 3, 2025 5:08pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s all part of management capture.
  
  Why are managers paid more than staff who actually make or do things of value? It’s because managers make decisions about who gets paid.
  
  Who gets to be management? People with degrees.
  
  A recent example: the new CEO of Air New Zealand.
  
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  August 3, 2025 9:09am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    And, just to be clear: he has been promoted after 5 years in the CIO role. He had never previously worked in the airline business. Never arranged schedules or negotiated for landing slots. Never cleaned or repaired planes. Never had to make sure that per seat pricing more than covers the cost of running the airline. Never had to front the media after a plane crash.
    
    I’ve no reason to think that he’s anything but a good man, and likely good at running IT (which is challenging). But, to jump from there to the CEO role, for an airline like Air NZ which must surely be a plum job in the industry – what was the Board thinking? The answer must be that there’s management capture, this time by him of the Board.
    
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    August 3, 2025 1:14pm
    - Paulus
      
      Seriously Air NZ is a piddly little airline by any World standards, and a very good one, but situated at the other end do the World.
      
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      August 3, 2025 2:40pm
    - PurplePen
      
      “He had never previously worked in the airline business. Never arranged schedules or negotiated for landing slots. Never cleaned or repaired planes. Never had to make sure that per seat pricing more than covers the cost of running the airline. Never had to front the media after a plane crash.”
      
      The same can be said of the current CEO.
      
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      August 3, 2025 3:17pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Proves my point.
        
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        August 3, 2025 6:04pm
  - Paulus
    
    Mainly because like being a Teacher you have at least to be of the feminine orientated, and man hating ilk. Think of the Peter Ellis, Christchurch Creche affair and still wonder if anthing has been learned except Tikanga.
    Years ago my son who would be a super teacher and sports person, was not accpted because he did not go to a Government School but a Private Boys one.
    He would have been great role model but we do not have that any more.
    Only in so called Rugby !
    
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    August 3, 2025 2:37pm
  - R
    
    There are Degrees and then there are basket weaving degrees
    
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    August 3, 2025 5:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “Throw it out and start again”
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/video/herald-now/you-throw-it-out-and-start-again-headmaster-weighs-in-on-looming-ncea-changes/RLL5YB5NCWCRP2ZFI4ANAIYEPY/
  
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  August 3, 2025 9:09am
  - PurplePen
    
    It’s a nice idea but why waste funds on the Ministry starting again. Pay a national license to baccalaureate, throw in some te reo if you must and be done with it.
    
    Why our lot are forever fiddling with no actual benefit. When was the last time you ever heard of the UK not having O-levels or the USA not having their SATs, for decades. And are their kids’ education any the worse off. The same goes for just about any of our ministries that are forever changing names and logos and structures.
    
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    August 3, 2025 9:33am
    - Ian Boag
      
      SATs are for people going to college (university). O levels are basically School C.
      
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      August 3, 2025 7:22pm
  - Burtland
    
    trouble is the woke education industry hasnt changed – they will just develop something even worse.
    
    NZCER mission statement – Decolonising education Upholding mana Māori, whakamana Māori, Improving equity for ākonga and equity in education, Influencing the future of education
    
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    August 3, 2025 10:55am
    - Ian Boag
      
      they will just develop something even worse.
      
      Perhaps you have a suggestion about what would work better – after all School C only failed half the people who tried it and in those days you could leave school at 15 (from the 4th form/year 10) and get a job and even an apprenticeship.
      
      So tell us what a better system would look like ….
      
      You could even tell us what your qualifications are for opining on the educational system. Is that too much to ask?
      
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      August 3, 2025 7:27pm
- kowtow
  
  Here we go again.
  
  NCEA was a left wing ideological import from Scotland . The reason for it was angst over the then 20% failing “tail” or cohort ( many or most of whom were ethnically non white).The idea was to give them a piece of paper recognising their achievements , limited as it was even then, and to get away from exam based assesments , these discrimated against folk who weren’t exam oriented , you see.
  
  In a nutshell the system decided to allow the tail to wag the dog as it were .
  That was a philosophical failure in the first place.
  
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  August 3, 2025 9:20am
- Colville
  
  I am a proud graduate of the Petone Polytech with a Trades Certificate in Heating Ventilation and Airconditioning.
  
  The manual skills a trade teaches you are one thing but for anyone who has a half decent brain its the project management and people skills that make the great money.
  
  Lots of kids dont want 4 more years of school and books…let them get out there and work.
  
  We waste too much money forcing kids into Uni to earn rat shit useless degrees.
  
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  August 3, 2025 11:01am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Correct. A mate of mine in the late 1950’s spent 2 years in fifth form trying to get his School Certificate, and failed again.
    Left school & worked as a stock clerk for Wright Stevenson. At 25 y/o, he left & started his own business buying Japanese kitchenware & exporting & importing cheap jewelry, which he then started manufacturing here & exporting to other countries.
    By the time he was 35 he had his first $mil., bought a nice old home in Epsom & built a commercial property in Takapuna.
    Fast forward to now – owns a lovely home in an expensive area in Tauranga & has a hobby farm on the Rotorua Rd. where, at 83, he runs & trades drystock etc. Still making plenty.
    At many people thought he was dumb. 🙂
    
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    August 3, 2025 1:03pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Don: Yes…horses for courses mate…not every stallion can win on a wet track!
      
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      August 3, 2025 2:46pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Fair enough. To make this work under current rules you need a whole lot more apprentices. That means a whole lot of employers willing to take one or more on. I haven’t heard amything about (eg) sparkies or plumbers or chippies moaning about a lack of apprenticeship candidates.
  
  And of course if I want to become a plumber the first thing I need to do is find an employer ….
  
  Nurses used to be trained in an apprenticeship system. All around the world that was done away with. Go figure. Engineers, doctors, lawyers, scientists and school teachers were never trained this way. Go figure some more.
  
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  August 3, 2025 7:20pm
Ruahine

Just putting a plug in for the Unions.
The Free Speech Union.
The Taxpayers Union.
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August 3, 2025 9:06am
imalwaysright

Another baby, beaten within an inch of her life, gets taken to Starship.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/08/01/three-month-old-girl-in-critical-care-with-non-accidental-injuries/

Police say:

“Thom (inspector) said police were focused on “providing reassurance and being visible”.

“We’re speaking with whānau to help progress our enquiries but these cases are complex and take time.”

How about they arrest everyone in the house starting with the parents.
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August 3, 2025 9:11am
- David Garrett
  
  Imalways: And charge them with what mate? When they all clam up and just refuse to engage, the cops have an impossible job.
  
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  August 3, 2025 2:48pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    DG
    Yes, wishful thinking on my part.
    More a comment on unsuitable laws than on the police.
    
    I wonder what laws Parliament would pass if, on a regular basis, an MP, public servant, or member of the judiciary were subjected to prolonged torture, abuse, and murder ?
    
    I’m sure the law would be swift and comprehensive and extremely punitive.
    
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    August 3, 2025 4:20pm
  - R
    
    Charge them with failing to cooperate with a Police investigation. If such law doesn’t exist, pass one ‘under urgency’
    
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    August 3, 2025 5:17pm
- AitchW
  
  I’d not be at all surprised if the father has only ever been in the house for one night…..
  
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  August 3, 2025 4:54pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I have to laugh. The ads currently being served up on KB say “Immigrate – to Canada”.

Yeah, nah.
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August 3, 2025 9:12am
David Garrett

You don’t even need to “start again”…We just need to admit NCEA is a total failure, and adopt Cambridge or one of the other overseas qualifications.

But of course that is never going to happen because there is no “treaty component” in any of those systems.

The basic failure of NCEA – and it will be the same in anything which replaces it – is that it was designed so no-one could be a failure; everyone had to earn some sort of “qualification”.

Sadly that is not a reflection of the real world, where there are winners and losers, and successes and failures.

Among the unintended consequences are smart kids like my daughter, who was able to get NCEA 2 in bullshit subjects that required no real effort.

Then five years out she decided managing clothing shops for Glassons is not challenging enough, and she wants to go to uni.

Bad decisions that she was encouraged or at least able to make five years earlier suddenly come back and bite her in the arse, and she has to accept she cant get in to Auckland uni.
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August 3, 2025 9:30am
- An Old Kiwi
  
  Sadly, my alma mater has become too woke to be worth attending unless you want a specific occupation (eg engineering or law). But even then, you can go to a nearly tertiary institution and maybe get a slightly less woke indoctrination, while on your pathway to professional registration. When you have that professional registration, it doesn’t matter that you didn’t go to that once mighty UoA.
  
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  August 3, 2025 9:48am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  As you say, NCEA’s fundamental principle is that nobody fails.
  
  And yet, you can learn more from failure than you can from success.
  
  Which must make me a genius, but that’s another story.
  
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  August 3, 2025 9:49am
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  Bang on. A real qualification requires a benchmark which means some people will fail.
  In magical Marxist education land everyone competing is winning or it’s not equity.
  
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  August 3, 2025 10:01am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Excellent and equidable outcomes for all!
    
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    August 3, 2025 2:58pm
- Dougal10
  
  If you don’t at least get merit in 4 mainstream ncea subjects you don’t actually have a qualification in anything.
  
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  August 3, 2025 10:06am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  failure is such an ugly word, so we invented “deferred achievement”!
  
  #nokidleftbehind //s
  
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  August 3, 2025 10:17am
  - David Garrett
    
    deity: Yes…along with “pre-owned” cars… and “sex worker” for prostitute
    
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    August 3, 2025 12:02pm
- rouppe
  
  Depends which degree she wants to get, surely? There’s always adult courses to get the pre requisite skills.
  
  My niece was an angry girl, got pregnant at 16, bounced around doing shit jobs. Suddenly woke up that her life was going nowhere, knuckled down and is now north island manager for a major insurance company.
  
  Can be done.
  
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  August 3, 2025 10:54am
  - David Garrett
    
    rouppe: Not she is doing fine…but at AUT. Actually I am extremely impressed by the standard of their course work….She – a first year law student – recently sent me a problem that took some time to figure out…and I have been a lawyer for 30+ years!
    
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    August 3, 2025 12:21pm
    - David Garrett
      
      …a lawyer from a real law school…woke hadnt been inevented when i began law in 1987
      
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      August 3, 2025 2:51pm
- Burtland
  
  half the kids failed under school cert , now half fail under dumbed down NCEA – nothings changed – NCEA has extended the long tail of failure in NZ education
  
  the NZ education system is in a state of failure – bit of a common theme really
  
  until neo marxism is rooted out of the public service NZ will continue to fail
  
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  August 3, 2025 11:21am
Toes on the nose

On the Waikato Uni med school prestige play… I’ve been to a few senior prizegivings over the last few years here in prov NI NZ. About 25 uni bound kids walk across stage and they mention their destination.. mainly UC, Auck, then Otago and 4th equal Waikato and Vic. A couple of AUTs and the odd Lincoln…. the striking thing is that for several years now ZERO Massey. It lost all cred with that ‘Fat Studies’ dept a decade ago. Was that even a real thing or was I trolled by a parody??
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August 3, 2025 9:37am
- David Garrett
  
  Toes: No, it was serious alright…its Prof was the late “Cat Pause”…an enormous creature who died young, no doubt from a heart attack
  
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  August 3, 2025 12:18pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The “Professor” dropped dead from obesity problems.
  
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  August 3, 2025 1:59pm
- Paulus
  
  Is Massey still here as a University ?
  – I though the woman that runs it has given up anything but her agenda being what she wants
  – so not seenmas a University any more but her personal sinicure.
  
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  August 3, 2025 2:45pm
SpencerArnold

I received 2 emails (from the FSU and Hobsons Pledge) trumpetting the fact that Jonathan Ayling had been voted onto the board of InternetNZ. Sorry, but in your ra-ra, pom-pom waving eloquence, you forgot that you had two candidates and Douglas Brown was not elected.

They both also exhorted their members (myself among them) to join as financial members of InternetNZ and push through any amendments that proposed removing treaty references from their constitution. If I recall, the turnout was 1000 voters (up from 380 last AGM) and the vote was a resounding “NO” to any change in status. So where was the wave of support to correct this skewing of democracy and freedom?

Make no mistake, this was a major “dropped a bollock” failure on their part, and makes their political capital far less relevant now. Myself, I will continue as a member of InternetNZ out of professional interest, but will not be donating any more money to either of these lame ducks.
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- OlderChas
  
  Yes Spencer – and now Jonathan Ayling has resigned his position in the Taxpayers’ Union
  
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  August 3, 2025 1:40pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Free Speech Union ??
    
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    August 3, 2025 4:20pm
    - OlderChas
      
      Indeed Don! Apologies.
      
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      August 4, 2025 9:39am
- Eastlander
  
  Suffer a defeat, capitulate utterly and leave the field to the enemy. Now there’s the strategic brilliance that helped the right lose the schools and universities and every other damned thing.
  
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  August 3, 2025 1:48pm
imalwaysright

Apparently NZ is in the top 10% OECD countries for Infrastructure spending.

However, NZ is in the lowest 10% for “bang for buck”. (Q&A this morning )

Corruption?
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August 3, 2025 9:45am
CJames

In what is a really worrying trend, Martin Martyn over at the Daily Blog has an article attacking OT over the Moana case, critical race theory and wokism in general. If he keeps this up, he might even be considered sane, although I don’t think the ranting will ever go away.

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2025/08/03/the-tragedy-of-moana-oranga-tamarikis-woke-ghost-of-christmas-past-you-gotta-cloak-that-woke/
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August 3, 2025 9:48am
- David Garrett
  
  I think Bradbury might be KIA’s brother.
  
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  August 3, 2025 9:56am
- Jethrod
  
  He seems to be hitting out at all sides, perhaps even floundering in what he is trying to say. I think deep down he doesn’t know what he stands for.
  
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  August 3, 2025 9:59am
- pdm
  
  Well done for reading it CJ,
  
  Your precis saves us.
  
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  August 3, 2025 9:59am
- imalwaysright
  
  I wonder if Karen Chhour will investigate the OT staff who terrorised the “Smiths”.
  If they broke criminal law they should be arrested and charged.
  
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  August 3, 2025 10:00am
  - Paulus
    
    Politicians cannot proceed to Law.
    Only the Police can, and they are not interested.
    
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    August 3, 2025 2:46pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Dear God, Bradbury says (when you cut out the ranting) something I agree with.
  I think I need to go home and have a lie down to recover.
  
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  August 3, 2025 10:52am
  - David Garrett
    
    Alex: Yes, a nice lie down always does me good…and of course up here in the Kingdom, there is not much else on a Sunday…Scott, our resident religious commenter, thinks I should find “a preacher I like” and get shouted at for two hours in a language I don’t understand…No thanks…but Thank the Lord for KB!!
    
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    August 3, 2025 11:21am
    - Allan
      
      “get shouted at for two hours in a language I don’t understand”
      
      Welcome to Aotearoa!
      
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      August 3, 2025 1:12pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Surely there must be sly BBQs with drinks behind closed gates?
      
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      August 3, 2025 5:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bradbury gives a good summary of some of the duplicitous behaviour of Oranga Tamariki staff.
  
  Strange how the MSM had failed to fill in all the nasty details about the racist actions of the OT staff.
  
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  August 3, 2025 11:23am
- imalwaysright
  
  In all of this it seems that the removal of Moana, and her reassignment to another, racially palatable, address is a foregone conclusion.
  
  Is there no possibility for the Courts to appoint a lawyer to act on Moana’s behalf to sue the department and staff for the abuse of herself as an ideological and political weapon to destroy a couple who dared to disagree with one of their employees ?
  
  Moana also deserves her day in court and she deserves justice.
  For a six year old to be separated from parents of three years is no different psychologically to being separated from birth parents.
  
  What worse crime could the state do to a child short of murder.
  
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  August 3, 2025 1:47pm
igm

Is media outrage at FBI operating here continuing support for gangs who will see their drug supplies shut down at long last?
Surely “Stuff” and the likes are not getting monetary support from them . . . Soros and Ngai Tahu are possibly not enough.
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August 3, 2025 9:53am
- Wandering Star
  
  Why do we need an FBI office in New Zealand? It seems implausible that they are branching out in order to address the New Zealand drug trade.
  
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  August 3, 2025 12:08pm
  - rouppe
    
    Nz Police has liaison officers posted in the usa. They act as a conduit between organised crime in the usa and nz. Think all that methamphetamine and those automatic weapons that mysteriously appear on our shores.
    
    Without any direct knowledge, I’d imagine this is a similar office for a similar purpose.
    
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    August 3, 2025 12:48pm
    - Wandering Star
      
      For organised crime to occur at any scale, it is not just desirable but necessary for “legitimate” actors to be involved. For instance, the millions or billions of dollars generated through drug trafficking and so on needs to be placed into the banking system somehow, because it isn’t being stuffed into a mattress somewhere.
      
      Similarly, the reason there is an international illicit drug trade at all is not due to institutional incompetence but complicity. How else could billions of dollars be accumulated right under the noses of “law enforcement” agencies, particularly in the age of electronic surveillance and other monitoring technologies?
      
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      August 3, 2025 1:46pm
      - rouppe
        
        Which is why you have liaison officers in both countries.
        
        Money is remitted the usual ways.
        * nail salons
        * massage parlours
        * panel beaters, spray shops. Which are also good for a supply of solvent.
        
        That sort of thing. Reported customers: x. Actual customers x/10. For example.
        
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        August 3, 2025 3:17pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        It’s a constant battle between the law and the crims.
        Please tell you don’t believe the authorities (corrupt sh**holes aside) are actually running this stuff?
        
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        August 3, 2025 5:58pm
Im Right

Be aware, he is not telling the far left to drop the woke/identity politics, he advocates for it to be hidden (cloaked) so more males and middle of the road voters vote for the left.
He knows, for example, the greens are anti male (straight white males especially), and maori party is against all white voters.
So Martyn knows this, and also been around politics to know it’s a strategy that will keep the left out of government.
So don’t think Martyn wants the woke far left shit to be gone, he just wants it hidden to fool the voters.
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August 3, 2025 11:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Indeed,
  Poor old Martyn Bradbury has yet to realise that even when all the cards in the hands of the Left, they will screw things up mightily.
  
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  August 3, 2025 1:15pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Yes I think it’s plain that’s what he’s up to. Martyn himself is actually pretty woke, especially in relation to all things indigenous.
  
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  August 3, 2025 4:41pm
rouppe

Government considering a backdown on its eviction policy.

One one hand, if someone (ie 7 kids lady) is antisocial and gets evicted, so what. She should have thought about the kids before the parties and aggressive behaviours.

If something has to be done, then I’d propose something along the lines of the old single working men’s accommodation they used to have at Forestry school, expanded a bit for sole parent families.

But there will be strict rules:
* no fighting
* no drinking
* no drugs
* no noise after 8pm
* no boyfriends, girlfriends, family members staying

Break the rules, you’re out.

Remember, this is emergency housing. Are you in an emergency or not. Those in an emergency situation would have no issue with this. Only those with an entitlement emergency would have a problem.
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August 3, 2025 1:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The problem for the Government is the kids.
  
  If you evict the mother, then the children are the collateral damage (end up in inferior accommodation, need to change schools, etc, etc).
  
  And don’t mention removing the children from Mum’s care…. (where is OT going to find Foster care for 7 kids?)
  
  That’s basically why some useless parents know they have the authorities in a bind.
  
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  August 3, 2025 2:14pm
  - Swifty
    
    I agree – no easy answers for the present.
    
    For the future though, we cold start by halting the community subsidisation of children – no additional benefits past, say, the second child.
    
    Wont completely solve the problem but could drastically reduce it.
    
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    August 3, 2025 2:40pm
    - rouppe
      
      No additional benefits past the number of children you have when you start getting a benefit.
      
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      August 3, 2025 3:21pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yeah, good point.
        
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        August 3, 2025 4:18pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        Yes, Bolger, Shipley and Key all had the chance to reform the DPB, but failed to act. It was intended to rescue women from an awkward situation, it wasn’t meant to be the lifestyle it’s become. But the NZ centre-right is too feeble to do anything about it.
        
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        August 3, 2025 4:44pm
    - R
      
      Teaching morality, might be a good place to start!
      
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      August 3, 2025 5:30pm
  - rouppe
    
    A decent mother would think about the kids first.
    The accommodation I suggested would be a last resort. Not like the motels in Rotorua where you chuck them in, forget them, and the ~~security~~ gangs were forcing vulnerable women into prostitution.
    
    Strict. By extension secure. Don’t like the rules? Free to leave.
    
    Why do we need that? Because current social housing relies on the people being sociable.
    
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    August 3, 2025 3:30pm
  - Keith White
    
    Tubal ligations or vasectomies as relevant, if they want to suck on the taxpayers’ teats.
    
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    August 3, 2025 7:37pm
- David Garrett
  
  Rouppe: Excellent idea…but never going to happen, sadly
  
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  August 3, 2025 2:55pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

The Govt is planning to tax foreign tourists to visit selected DoC sites – Cathedral Cove, Tongariro Crossing etc. Local Mayors welcome the tax, so long as they get the money. Left unsaid is how, short of passports, our newer residents will prove their status. ID cards by stealth?

However, overseas visitors are already taxed on arrival. They may well see this as a sign of double dipping greed – I would. If local Mayors aren’t getting a share of the arrival tax then they should be lobbying the Govt, not advocating for an additional tax.

And, how long before the Govt extends the DoC tax to locals, on the grounds of “fairness”? It’s already happening at Punakaiki, where the only parking is at the DoC carpark, which now costs you (NZTA having painted yellow lines on the side of the road where people used to park).

Thin end of the wedge, eh.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/568800/wave-of-conservation-act-concessions-foreign-visitor-charge-for-high-volume-doc-sites
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August 3, 2025 1:29pm
- Swifty
  
  I tend to agree .
  
  The govt could just award councils a million or two of gst back based on some tourist traffic numbers and save all this hassle and expense of charging and distinguishing tourists from locals etc.
  
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  August 3, 2025 2:09pm
- rouppe
  
  They do that overseas.
  
  I had to pay to land on Koh Tao to go diving, and to enter Pa La-U to walk up the waterfall.
  
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  August 3, 2025 2:09pm
  - MCōs
    
    We spent a few days staying with some Thai friends who have a house adjacent to Khao Yai National Park. One day I said let’s have a drive around the park, might see some elephants, waterfalls and stuff
    We went to the entrance and it was B20 ($1) for Thais and B200 ($10) for foreigners
    I can speak a bit of Thai, but my Aotearoa passport is a bit of a giveaway
    However
    Ten bucks wasn’t going to break the bank, but the others thought it was unfair so we drove about an hour or so to look at some stupid flower exhibition instead
    
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    August 3, 2025 4:50pm
- imalwaysright
  
  These people are under the impression that NZ is the only country that has scenery.
  They also don’t seem to understand that NZ is already very expensive. Expensive in the worst sense, in that we pay first class prices for second and third class products and service.
  Tourists may grin and bear it, but they tell their friends and as we all know, bad news travels fast.
  
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  August 3, 2025 2:41pm
- MCōs
  
  NZers pay for the upkeep of these places already through their taxes
  Many tourists, people on working holidays, and some students and workers coming to New Zealand must pay a $100 International Visitor Conservation and Tourism Levy, which is not a huge sum
  Anyway it’s our country — we make the rules
  
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  August 3, 2025 3:04pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Make it a rule that they spend $10,000 each a day then. Or $20,000 even.
    Perhaps make it a rule that they must stay for at least six months and they have to scrub out every public toilet they come across !
    
    Why not, we make the rules…
    Nothing they can do about it, eh ?
    
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    August 3, 2025 5:19pm
Swifty

More evidence, as if we needed it, of the woeful mis-management of New Zealand under Labour:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360778123/evictions-kainga-ora-homes-disruptive-behaviour-500

Just think of the scores and scores of good New Zealand families whose lives will no longer be blighted by feral Kainga Ora tenants.

Damn them all for fostering and incentivising this behaviour and harm through their neglect.

Thanks for nothing Labour.
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August 3, 2025 1:36pm
Notsofast

Elica Le Bon from X:

“Do you know why Hamas shared this footage of hostage, Evyatar David? Is there something coincidental about the timing of showing how sickeningly emaciated he is?

Yes there is. Hamas’s message is clear – they own you.

They’re showing you that while the world is screaming from the rooftops that we must speak out about starvation in Gaza, they can show you the cruelest, highest form of international starvation in ruthless captivity and nobody will bat an eyelid.

The NY Times won’t post about it. Time Magazine won’t do a feature on it. Washington Post won’t dedicate its feed to it. The New Yorker won’t release a polemic about it. Your NGO’s won’t declare war crimes over it. Your United Nations wont blink in the direction of international arrest warrants. Your students won’t smash windows. Your activists won’t pour into the streets and break down buildings. Your politicians won’t mutter a word. Your intellects will call it resistance, and all the bleeding hearts of the western world will mysteriously run dry.

They’re showing us more than hypocrisy, they’re proving their ideological domination. “The entire world is so subverted by us that we can even show you real starvation, torture, and evil and nobody will care. Your people are now our people. Your free thinkers have become our zombified allies. The worldview of ordinary people has been irrevocably distorted, and Jews and Israelis have been thoroughly, totally, and completely, dehumanized, just as we planned all along.”

This image was Hamas’s message to the western world:

We haven’t just taken Israelis captive, we’ve taken your minds hostage, too. We own you. We’ve won.

And they’re not wrong.”
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August 3, 2025 1:43pm
- Swifty
  
  It really is chilling isn’t it?
  
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  August 3, 2025 2:19pm
- Wandering Star
  
  Are you really saying that Hamas dominates the media message and therefore has so ideologically subverted everyone that they have made everyone see the world through a pro-Hamas anti-Israel lens?
  
  Isn’t the reality in fact quite the opposite and the roles are reversed, and it is only due to the breakdown in the grip and effectiveness of the ideological subversion that the decades of public sympathy and near-universal and instinctive support for Jews and for Israel has buckled under, in large part, the cumulative weight of the images and reports coming out of Gaza that anyone with eyes can see?
  
  Think about it: the Israelis are accusing the Palestinians of overstating what the situation is, exaggerating the human toll, and producing atrocity propaganda as to a claimed genocide with the aim of engendering and sustaining public sympathy, and thus the Palestinians have cynically given themselves a political “get out of jail free” card, which the Palestinians can pull out whenever they get backed into a corner and can’t defend their arguments.
  
  Ironically, isn’t this what “revisionists” claim Israel does all the time vis a vis its reliance on the holocaust genocide narrative it uses to justify its very existence? By Israel’s own logic, they must be saying here that it is possible to construct a particular narrative practically out of thin air to elicit political sympathy, and to sustain it through the use of mass media.
  
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  August 3, 2025 2:45pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Elica le Bon is saying that. She is more qualified than our local keffiyeh clothed.
    We can’t know the truth of food distribution, but we can listen to all the narratives.
    Hamas says Israel is doing the starving, Israel says Hamas.
    Of course we should believe Hamas!
    
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    August 3, 2025 3:48pm
- MCōs
  
  “The NY Times won’t post about it.”
  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/02/world/europe/new-hostage-videos-sow-fear-and-horror-in-israel.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
  
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  August 3, 2025 5:21pm
- Allan
  
  I think the reason is in one part of the hostages monologue to camera.
  
  He is saying that there’s not much to eat but they give him what they can.
  
  The propaganda is to keep up the belief that the famine is Israels doing and they are even going to kill their own citizens by denying food into Gaza.
  
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  August 3, 2025 6:28pm
Swifty

I’ve found myself thinking a bit lately about the number of times I’ve heard, accompanying invariably some lefty cause du jour “if it saves even one life it will have been worth it…”

I guess it must have been some dozens of times in my lifetime.

I’ve been thinking about it again recently over this issue:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/568838/father-of-man-found-dead-on-wellington-s-waterfront-says-safety-balustrades-a-step-in-the-right-direction

I find myself quite unconvinced by it all. A bloke, chooses to be on the lash, chooses to wander around the waterfront in the early hours of the morning, falls in the drink and drowns. A tragedy to be sure and I feel very sorry for his family and friends.

But is this really the best use of millions and millions of dollars of Wellington ratepayer money?

I notice there’s a real paradox around the ‘saving lives’ quite too. You never hear it from lefties to call for things you’d think they’d call for but never do.

I notice that PIs are increasingly before the courts for murder. Indian men too, and almost always for killing their partner or ex-partner. And Chinese men also, quite frequently when a business deal goes sour or after a marriage break up.

But you never, ever hear from lefties calling for the stopping of Indian or Chinese or Pacific immigration with the accompanying refrain “if it saves just one life then it’ll all have been worth it….”

Nope, not even once.
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August 3, 2025 2:05pm
rouppe

Many people have stated that Trump wants to ignore the constitution and run a third term, based on some prodding from a journalist.

Stephen A. Smith said: “I believe if your husband elected to come back, he would beat Trump.”

If he elected to come back? How could he do that? He’d have to defy the constitution as well.

Notwithstanding that, if Michelle had stood (perfectly legal) does anyone think Barack wouldn’t be neck deep in the administration?
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- surfing
  
  Trump will only allow opponents he can beat to run.
  
  Next US election will be interesting to see if Obama wants back in to compete against Trump, will Trump allow it? (given Trump will change the law to allow himself to do whatever he wishes).
  
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  August 3, 2025 4:13pm
- Allan
  
  That’s some serious TDS you have.
  
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  August 3, 2025 6:22pm
Swifty

Something I would have thought would be best left as voluntary arrangements between employers and employees – what’s it got to do with the state?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/568850/australian-state-seeks-to-enshrine-work-from-home-in-law

But no, Victoria’s Labor Party is going to impose it on everyone, by force.

No doubt soon to be picked up as policy by New Zealand Labour as another voter bribe.
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August 3, 2025 2:17pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  All about the parasitic cycle of life between “Labor”(duh) and the unions.
  
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  August 3, 2025 6:32pm
surfing

The US chief statistician shouldn’t have put bad job numbers out knowing Trump is in office.

In future, all US statisticians will massage the data to make Trump look good. Stroking Trump’s ego is good for one’s career.
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August 3, 2025 4:11pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  The US chief statistician has fucked up multiple times in the last two years, with a seemingly endless series of downward revisions in past monthly employment numbers, culminating in an annual one of 818,000 last year – which didn’t help Biden supporters.
  
  So I think this person is likely bi-partisan.
  
  I also think this person is likely incompetent and should have been fired on January 20, 2025, but I guess Trump still has some faith in the bureaucracies.
  
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  August 3, 2025 5:51pm
Swifty

“Oh Allah, kill all the infidels, polytheists and atheists until none are left and enslave all their women and children…..”

https://x.com/shariakill/status/1951553845273702839?s=46

Yep, let’s import plane loads of these people annually, and thousands of Gazans too please, after all, such diversity is surely our greatest strength.

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- Tom Hunter
  
  On Friday I had a rather stunning conversation with an old friend of my wife’s where two things stuck with me:
  
  – She’d never heard of the British Rape Gangs.
  
  – She and her husband toured all through the Middle East in the 1980’s and 1990’s and encountered only warm, friendly, generous and wonderful locals.
  
  She’s a sweetheart so I simply gave her the latest BBC story on the Police rape side of things and left it at that.
  
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  August 3, 2025 5:54pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Pre civil war, Syria was a mostly ok place, nice people. safe for Kiwi travellers. Same for large parts of Iran, Egypt, Turkey etc. Just don’t talk politics, Israel, etc, make sure people know you’re not American & be prepared to exit hastily if you hear bangs in the neighbourhood.
    
    It’s a mistake to conclude that those who want to migrate to Europe or wherever are representative of the population at large.
    
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    August 3, 2025 6:32pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yes I have “normie” friends who have been fortunate to have lived in a sheltered bubble (family bereavements aside) all their lives. Steady uninterrupted career, stayed in one safe neighborhood all their lives and kids turned out not too outwardly messed up (though mindless followers of lefty narratives). They are blissfully unaware of the types of things you mention. They trust big tech and they trust the lefty media as if it never went completely crazy.
    
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    August 3, 2025 6:37pm
AitchW

In the event that at the next election we end up with a Labour/Green/Maori government who might be speaker?
Doyle? Swarbrick? Maipi-Clark?
Does Labour have even one mp with the gravitas to do the job? They’ll make Brownlee look statesmanlike!
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August 3, 2025 5:14pm
AitchW

On next year’s election, if it comes down to a choice of 2 out of 3 of Greens/NZF/Maori which 2 will Labour go with?
If National could form a government with all 3, would they?
If the 3 smaller parties could get the numbers to form a government, would they do it?
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August 3, 2025 5:18pm
- R
  
  NZF would, as long as Winston was PM. Been his ambition since the day he was fired from the National Party
  
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  August 3, 2025 8:01pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

The Sarjeant Gallery upgrade has cost $80m. Original budget was $30m. Even though the general taxpayer stumped up the lion’s share of the cost, every ratepayer in the city will be paying $200 pa in interest costs for God knows how long.

It’s a beautiful building, but $80m is a lot of money.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/whanganui-chronicle/news/whanganuis-sarjeant-gallery-redevelopment-comes-in-at-just-under-80m/CRZUC43WGJBF7L2R7RH3FZ4XL4/
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August 3, 2025 6:59pm
rouppe

A cautionary take for those wanting us to take people from Gaza.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yl7n42325o
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August 3, 2025 8:50pm
Jack5

A description from the past: The Herald in a report about an arrest at Pt Chevalier talks of “a police canine handler with an Alsatian”.

Most English-speaking countries have reverted to the original name of this dog breed — German Shepherd.

“Alsatian” was introduced as the dog’s name during World War 1, either as anti-German propaganda or to protect the animals in Britain.

It comes from “Alsace,” the region near France’s north-east border, and which has alternated between being part of Germany and of France.

The dog is now again generally referred to as a German Shepherd, or sometimes in American police reference, just as “a Shepherd”.

In Germany, the name is “Deutscher Schäferhund,” from “schäfer” meaning shepherd.

Whatever the name, they are great dogs.

The breed was standardised in the 1890s from herding dogs in central-northern Germany and southern Germany.
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