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Nikola Donatello

Sometimes it is revealing to see how overseas credible newspapers report on New Zealand.

This is from the Australian Financial Review. It is a report from March reporting on Orr’s departure. It reports on the experience of some Reserve Bank of Australia officials.

“Australian officials have been surprised by the extent of the RBNZ’s embrace of Te Ao Maori – or “Maori world view” in “what we do”. Last week’s conference began with a “waita” [sic] or welcoming song by the RBNZ’s (or Te Putea Matua’s) own waita choir group.

It is the first conference I have ever attended that was preceded by a concert,” Bernanke said in his first words at the lectern.”

“He really loathes Australia,” one Australian banker involved with one of the New Zealand operations says of Orr.”

[Pay walled]

https://www.afr.com//policy/economy/inside-the-sudden-exit-of-a-central-bank-governor-20250311-p5lika?btis

BTW today’s reporting in the AFR of the new appointment is positive. As you would expect.

Honestly, Adrian Orr will be remembered a century from now as terrible in the job.

I really hope the new Governor weilds the axe. Don’t forget that there are hundreds of people still employed at the bank working away on Te ao Maori and climate change and who knows what else. If she leaves them there, they will white ant her.

Just imagine if she got rid of them on day one and publicly announced that. There would be cheers around the nation.

It is not good enough that there is a new Governor. She needs to do to the Bank what Elon Musk did to Twitter.
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September 25, 2025 8:01am
- imalwaysright
  
  Ex Governor Don Brash said the optimum staff number for the Reserve Bank is 45 people.
  
  The Maori choir must be huge…
  
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  September 25, 2025 8:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Don’t forget that there are hundreds of people still employed at the bank working away on Te ao Maori and climate change and who knows what else. If she leaves them there,
  
  Don’t expect too much….
  
  https://www.ngfs.net/system/files/import/ngfs/medias/documents/icw_-_sveriges_riksbank_-_final.pdf
  
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  September 25, 2025 8:15am
  - Boy Geoff
    
    Also, Australia’s not as progressive as Aotearoa…
    
    Heh
    
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    September 25, 2025 8:18am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      In my experience, in Aus the bogans are more bogan (and in many cases aggressive) and the commies/woketards are more militant.
      
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      September 26, 2025 5:08pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Good spotting. I must let our farmers know.
    
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    September 25, 2025 8:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Most banks and financial institutions are heavily involved in green finance.
      
      https://www.worldfinance.com/strategy/the-future-of-green-banking
      
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      September 25, 2025 9:37am
    - Jack5
      
      We’ve had comments on Kiwiblog that Orr did a good job with the National Superannuation Fund before he brought indigenous wisdom to the Reserve Bank.
      
      The Superannuation Fund has done well – so far. Largely, after taking out fields Greenies and peaceniks dislike, it has "bet the market" by investing in funds that pretty much cover the big share-price indices.
      
      A rising tide lifts all ships.
      
      When the tide goes out we'll see whether the Superannuation Fund's strategy has been optimal.
      
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      September 25, 2025 12:03pm
- kowtow
  
  She won’t change all the indigenous” stuff.
  
  BTW the Ockers have their own version of woke intros .
  
  It’s almost literally an article of faith over there to do an “acknowledgement of the traditional owners” before anything substantial can get underway.
  
  The Vic govt is pushing ahead with its own treaty , despite the referendum on the ‘voice”.
  
  More proof , if needed , of how the Blob is determined to ignore democratic principles.
  
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  September 25, 2025 8:17am
  - igm
    
    Maoris are not indigenous!
    
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    September 25, 2025 8:29am
    - Nikola Donatello
      
      Maori is the plural of Maori. How are they not indigenous?
      
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      September 25, 2025 8:41am
      - GJM
        
        Because they arrived here around 7 -800 years ago in multiple waves. Even if you accept the first arrivals win the “indigenous” badge, any after them are migrants, like everyone else since.
        
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        September 25, 2025 8:51am
      - lifesgood
        
        Because they are just the first migrants, Europeans are the second. If Maori are indigenous so are descendants of the early European migrants.
        
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        September 25, 2025 8:59am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Māori is the plural of Māori, these days.
        
        In English, Maoris is an acceptable plural….as is Maories, if you’re writing historical fiction.
        
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        September 25, 2025 9:12am
      - sirknz
        
        Turned up in canoes a few years before whitey did and then destroyed 40% of the native forest.
        
        Now they like to tell us how in touch with nature they are. Lefties seem to eat this BS uncritically despite the evidence proving the opposite to be true.
        
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        September 25, 2025 9:18am
      - waikatosinger
        
        Maori just makes a better plural. English plurals are not regular so it fits right in. The ‘i’ ending has a plural appearance agreeing with words like fungi that come from Latin and take an -i ending in the plural.
        
        To me Maoris always looks like it it should rhyme with ‘piss’. It just doesn’t look right or sound right – which is the true test of correctness for a native speaker of any language. Maybe if you spelled it ‘Maories’ – but no – that is even worse.
        
        Be glad we are not doing the te reo plural thing and doubling the word. Maorimaori would be a bit of a mouthful.
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:10am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        How is it that Maoris are regarded as indigenous, while the Maori dog and the Maori rat are introduced?
        
        Both of those things cannot be true.
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:34am
      - imalwaysright
        
        If the big prize is Partnership then surely we should also be designated indigenous….
        
        Or has ‘Partnership’ also been redefined?
        
        Partnership: The relationship between Benefactor and Beneficiary ?
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:36am
      - Mummy
        
        If Maori are indigenous, does that include the dogs and rats they brought with them at the same time?
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:41am
      - Nikola Donatello
        
        What is the point of such a debate? The UN says they are indigenous. The European settlers signed a treaty with them. The current government’s policy is that such treaty represents a partnership.
        
        There are bigger issues to worry about than fretting over whether they are indigenous.
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:51am
      - Philview
        
        I will include a controversial viewpoint that there were fairly advanced sailing nations up in China and Japan who may well have navigated these waters prior to Maori. Japanese pirates were pillaging East Asia in their wako craft at the time. I can easily imagine the view point that transportation came through more substantial boats than canoes.
        
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        September 25, 2025 11:27am
      - Jack5
        
        In Waikatosinger’s 10.10 post: … Maoris always looks like it should rhyme with ‘piss’…
        
        Does Waikatosinger hear our country’s name as “z”-less New Seeland? That’s pretty close to the German for the country’s name — Neuseeland. A garbled “New Sea Land” back-translation, ignoring the accurate “Neues Meeresland,” fits nicely, given our late settlement by humans.
        
        Waikatosinger takes us humble Kiwibloggers into the arcane world of phonetics.
        
        Does the English word “Maoris” end with a voiced or unvoiced alveolar sibilant – a “z” sound or an “s” one?
        
        I reckon, the former, with “Maoris” pronounced with a /z/ sound, like “Maoreeze”. However, a boyhood in the far south warped my speech.
        Quaint, rather than something to pizz off hearers.
        
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        September 25, 2025 11:42am
      - PurplePen
        
        Israeli, Israelis. German, Germans, American, Americans. Depends if your speaking English or not. Presumably if you’re speaking English it’s normal to add an ‘s’ to a noun to pluralise it. There are exceptions of course.
        
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        September 25, 2025 1:01pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        All of my grandparents bar one were Englishs.
        I mean they were English – or Englishes or Englishs or……
        Pointless argument.
        
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        September 25, 2025 1:15pm
      - igm
        
        Who gives a rat’s whether it is plural or singular?
        It upsets those who support maori.
        Note l/c “M”. Intentional!
        
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        September 25, 2025 4:36pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I think you could say pre-European Maori were indigenous (relatively speaking).
        
        Those alive today are descendants of (relatively speaking) indigenous people.
        
        Those alive today were born into the modern world and partake of the modern world. They are not a separate species. The racial activists need to stop treating them as if they are (or worse, treating them as if they are inherently retarded).
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:02pm
    - G152
      
      Descended from Polynesian explorers and settlers
      
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      September 25, 2025 8:56am
    - Yvette
      
      Igm, it depends –
      
      The UN definition of Indigenous
      Indigenous peoples have in common a historical continuity with a given region prior to colonization and a strong link to their lands. They maintain, at least in part, distinct social, economic and political systems. They have distinct languages, cultures, beliefs and knowledge systems
      – Google
      
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      September 25, 2025 9:11am
      - Blog-aholic
        
        By that logic alone maori are also colonists then because their myth includes a race of people who were in NZ when they arrived…..
        
        The UN definition of indigenous is quite new. A dictionary from 20 years ago is quite different and much more simple without the virtue signals.
        
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        September 25, 2025 9:33am
      - R
        
        The last sentence of this definition from the UN Declaration, explains very clearly why Maori are not indigenous to NZreseach has indicated thar their were people in the South Island before the known arrival of Maori.
        Probably descendants of Kupe, the original discoverer of NZ. Early Maori history!
        
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        September 25, 2025 9:34am
      - rouppe
        
        “prior to colonisation…”
        
        Were they not themselves colonisers? They turned up in hollowed out logs, and if there were any other people here, they would have been killed and or displaced.
        
        We know this because they spent the next 500 years killing and displacing each other.
        
        That sounds like a colonising force to me.
        
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        September 25, 2025 9:43am
      - Yabster
        
        the UN? lol- they changed that definition some time ago to suit-
        
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        September 25, 2025 9:50am
      - waikatosinger
        
        The UN is full of people with funny ideas. Don’t use them as the authority. I still remember the UN report on our economy back in the 1990s that said our biggest problem was our lack of a peasant class.
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:35am
      - Aquarius
        
        But the dogs and rats that came on the canoes
        Are introduced species…………
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:38am
      - Foxfour
        
        Theres is no research that there were different people in NZ before Maori.
        
        Your claim is myth pedalling
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:44am
      - Nikola Donatello
        
        Maori iwi engaged in wars with each other. Not sure that is colonisation. It was certainly horrifying by modern standards.
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:53am
      - Jack5
        
        Poster Foxfour at 10.44 on a suggestion above that Maori weren’t NZ’s first settlers: …Your claim is myth pedalling.
        
        Is this an accusation this is a myth that’s being re-cycled?
        
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        September 25, 2025 11:57am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Was there a referendum where the NZ people decided that the UN would govern NZ?
        
        If no, how about we just ignore the UN.
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:05pm
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      By any reasonable definition, Maori are indigenous to NZ.
      
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      September 25, 2025 10:13am
      - Nukuleka
        
        I just love the smug righteousness behind that word “‘reasonable”, with its implication of moral superiority. Maoris (I use English plurals) are not indigenous in my opinion, be my opinion reasonable or otherwise.
        
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        September 25, 2025 11:16am
      - rouppe
        
        Indigenous is all about being from a certain place.
        
        Maori oral history clearly describes them as coming from somewhere else: the mysterious Hawaiiki.
        
        If we were to talk about having to “colonise” another planet, we would talk about establishing a population somewhere where there wasn’t one. So colonisation doesn’t only describe a previously populated place it can also describe an unpopulated place.
        
        Maori colonised this land just as much as anyone else.
        
        This is different to say Australia, where the Aboriginal population has no concept of being anywhere else.
        
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        September 25, 2025 11:44am
      - Allan
        
        Nope, they are only indigenous because the UN needed to invent a new meaning.
        
        Like the new definitions of genocide and famine so they can berate Israel.
        
        The UN is a sick joke well past is use-by date.
        
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        September 25, 2025 11:48am
      - Phronesis
        
        It’s completely indisputable that New Zealanders are from New Zealand.
        
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        September 25, 2025 12:36pm
      - leoj
        
        Maori cannot claim to be indigious if they also claim they arrived here in canoes.
        
        Only dipshit imtelligence could claim that both are true.
        
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        September 25, 2025 1:33pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        It doesn’t matter anymore.
        The Maori race has passed the point of assimilation.
        Therefore, any rights due because of race have expired also.
        
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        September 25, 2025 1:58pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Pope Punctilious II: “By any reasonable definition, Maori are indigenous to NZ.”
        
        Were PP2. Were, long ago. Those people are long gone.
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:07pm
  - Nikola Donatello
    
    Yes but does the Reserve Bank of Australia employ a whole department to ensure that the Bank complies with an Aboriginal world view? No.
    
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    September 25, 2025 8:42am
    - septic skeptic
      
      The Aussies are a decade behind NZ but on the same track. Maybe they will look across at NZ and change course. Maybe.
      
      As an example they have apparently decided it is a bad thing to lock up aboriginal youths who might have been arrested for say vehicle theft, so they are automatically bailed. Said youths know this of course and often go straight back to offending. Sometimes they are bailed two and even three times for the same charge in a single day.
      
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      September 25, 2025 8:58am
      - Paulus
        
        A decade is from the Latin and means Ten years which is nothing in terms of time.
        Is it so that the latest what we know as a Maori in some names only to come to Ni Tirena or whatever it it was called, came from what we know as the Cook Islands, because they could never have got much further, and still have lived.
        
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        September 25, 2025 2:15pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Hawaiiki, which is their claimed ancestral home, is the island of Raiatea in the southern Tahitian islands – not that far from the Cook Islands, where the Takatimu canoe left from.
        
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        September 25, 2025 5:28pm
      - Foxfour
        
        Raiatea and Bora Bora & Huahine is west of Tahiti
        Its another 700 km SW to the outer Cook is
        Auckland to wellington direct line is 500km
        
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        September 26, 2025 6:06am
  - Notsofast
    
    Australia with its lucky mining industry can afford this nonsense.
    New Zealand with its unlucky dairy industry can’t.
    The compound drag on the economy by the craven slaves to the completely fake maorification industry will be shown to have ruined our nation.
    
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    September 25, 2025 9:38am
    - Foxfour
      
      Unlucky Diary industry ?
      ‘Chief executive Miles Hurrell says the full year ended July[25] has been one of the Co-op’s strongest years yet -”
      And yet the economy has tanked during the ‘Year of Growth’
      
      Mining has up and downs – unlucky as you call it- and Australia has a sizeable dairy industry too
      
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      September 25, 2025 10:39am
      - Notsofast
        
        Unlucky as it is at capacity nationally.
        Australia just found a 5 trillion dollar iron deposit, around 250 years of our dairy exports.
        Even adjusting for population that is 50 years. Ok halve that for extraction cost, and so on. But that is still one tiny corner of lucky Australia.
        Gdp per dairy worker here is 400k vs 2million per miner in Australia.
        All rough figures but speaking to my point, they can afford to undrip, we can not.
        
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        September 25, 2025 12:07pm
      - Foxfour
        
        Iron ore royalties in WA are 15% ad valorem
        Its only equivalent to GST
        
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        September 25, 2025 12:30pm
      - Notsofast
        
        30% gross
        10% net in the bank I am told.
        So that deposit converts to 500 billion.
        Therefore 100 billion adjusted, or 4 to 5 years of dairy for us, from one side hustle.
        
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        September 25, 2025 1:42pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Foxfour can you succinctly explain “ad valorem” in relation to WA mining, in plain English?
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:15pm
    - Paulus
      
      Whaty do you mean is that we are getting sick of people from other parts who are sick of our painted performing Pantomimes all the time and getting worse.
      How much do these painted people get for the arrival in every port heards of screeching so called men.
      I assume the Tax man knows what they get ?
      Oh, they do not pay tax !
      
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      September 25, 2025 11:05am
    - Handyman
      
      Both Australia and New Zealand enjoyed a growing per capita wealth in the period between initial colonisation and the first decade of this century.
      Australia is lucky because it started about one generation ahead of New Zealand. They managed to get up a mining industry before it became impossible to do the same in New Zealand.
      However, both countries are now on the downward wealth path due to the prevailing indigenous/socialist view that we are past the wealth creation phase of history and are now in the wealth redistribution phase.
      
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      September 25, 2025 12:54pm
  - KH
    
    Some are starting to adopt the title “First Nation”. Quite offensive.
    (or at least the sign of true tossers)
    
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    September 25, 2025 6:20pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Yes I tend to give people using such terms a wide berth.
      
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      September 25, 2025 10:17pm
- Wandering Star
  
  Don’t hold your breath. Somehow I doubt she will do what you hope, because there’s an ideological filtering process in these selections. She’s a “modern” Swedish female, which means she’s likely spent her adult life voting for the kinds of anti-White progressive policies that have destroyed the Sweden of old.
  
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  September 25, 2025 8:18am
  - Quail
    
    It is hard to make worthwhile comment on the change of leadership at the Reserve Bank.
    The policies that will be employed to maintain price stability and keep within the inflation targets as contained in the PTA are the drivers of any change.
    These are matters for the Government and Ms Willis
    The new Governor will be bound by these parameters as was Orr and his successors.
    So any macro changes would be Government led.
    Having said that ,there is apparently room for more and substantial housekeeping cuts within the RB and it’s staff.
    Best wishes to the new Governor,
    
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    September 25, 2025 8:48am
- coge
  
  I can safely say that isn’t going to happen.
  
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  September 25, 2025 8:52am
- Littletramp
  
  It’s pretty obvious she has been bought in from the EU to install the Central Bank digital currency the Reserve Bank is working on, into NZ. It’s no wonder Luxon is dropping from favour. If he goes for the digital drivers licence as well he should be toast.
  
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  September 25, 2025 9:00am
- Paulus
  
  Looks like a very good appointment I wish her well.
  But is she strong enough to fight the Wellington Public Service Bureacracy, mainly women, as we are aware, who have for so far as much as they can so far and will not allow another person to disrail their wanting more.
  I look forward to her initial trial at the RBNZ and support what will be very hard yakka.
  She certainly looks well to take the task.
  A Labour led left wing Government next year will change all of that anyway.
  
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  September 25, 2025 9:34am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  She will not to the RBNZ what Musk did to Twitter, because she won’t want to risk being called “racist”. And she’s a highly educated woman from one of the wokest countries in the wold.
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:15am
- Interested Party
  
  Although coming from Sweden, it should be noted they are more woke than NZ
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:52am
Cassandra

Manchester Mayor Andrew Burnham has been asked to challenge UK Labour PM Starmer. His policy: increase rates for expensive houses, increase the income tax top rate to 50% and lower the bottom rate to 10%. On the immutable truth that he who robs Peter to pay Paul will always get the vote of Paul he will be a winner. Until of course Peter decides he’s had enough and goes elsewhere.
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September 25, 2025 8:13am
- peterwn
  
  Yes, the bees will leave the Manchester hive (Manchester’s symbol is the bee representing industriousness and collective strength).
  
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  September 25, 2025 8:22am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The worker bees. Not the drones.
    
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    September 25, 2025 7:31pm
- Wandering Star
  
  Tax policy? Ffs. Brits want Britain back. Its not the 1990s anymore where tax was the big issue of the day. Abject societal decay now needs addressed. Besides, taxing to “pay Paul” in the UK now means taxing to pay some recent North African interoper.
  
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  September 25, 2025 8:52am
  - Cassandra
    
    For lefties getting the rich ie someone with more than you, to pay more is an article of faith. Along with climate, gender, Gaza etc of course.
    
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    September 25, 2025 9:35am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Yes, the Left have evolved the Tall Poppy Syndrome into the No Poppy Syndrome.
      
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      September 25, 2025 9:45am
- septic skeptic
  
  Elsewhere is getting harder to find these days.
  
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  September 25, 2025 9:01am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  The top tax rate is already 45%. And that’s on anything over a miserable 125k GBP. It’s worse if you only make over 4ok and less than 125k. As a salary, it’s pocket change. And you get to cop 40% tax on income in that band.
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:45am
- Allan
  
  It is said that Britain is broke.
  
  Apparently the poorest state in the USA is Mississippi and yet it is wealthier than the UK.
  
  There can’t be much left in the UK to take off the productive.
  
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  September 25, 2025 11:54am
  - Handyman
    
    Allan, I agree, but to be exact, the Mississippi per capita is the same as UK minus London.
    The dilemma for Labour is that much of the City of London’s wealth generation is fungible; it could move tomorrow.
    Thousands of the best financial brains in the country are even now working out how to avoid the coming punitive taxes.
    
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    September 25, 2025 1:20pm
Damocles11

Astonishing comments from Nicola Willis to business leaders. This government has done nothing about Māori-related issues: the Treaty is still embedded in most legislation and Maori can use the RMA process to thwart critical infrastructure such as the farcical sabotaging of the Port of Tauranga wharf expansion. Nationals only plan the economy is more borrowing and spending + tinkering with migrant visas. If National wanted economic growth the should have been – and should be now – more focussed on ‘maori issues’.

‘National as a single-party Government would have focused less on “Māori-related issues”, according to deputy leader Nicola Willis.
I think that you would have seen us move some pieces of legislation with more pace because not as many compromises would have been required on the way through.’
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September 25, 2025 8:18am
- Cassandra
  
  The really astonishing part is that she said it in public. National has demonstrated time and again that it supports Maori separatism. How it retains its membership amazes me. Thank God for ACT and NZF.
  
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  September 25, 2025 8:31am
  - Ipanema69
    
    No thank god for ACT.
    
    Winston first talks a good game but never does anything.
    
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    September 25, 2025 8:45am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Well we can give him credit for blocking the treaty principles bill (along with Luxon of course). They were going to remove reference to TOW from individual Acts instead. So far zero have been done – but we are only 65% of the way through this term….
      Oh OK maybe you are right about Winston.
      
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      September 25, 2025 10:07am
  - Nikola Donatello
    
    Unless ACT manages to attract about 25 percent of the vote, I think that the track that New Zealand is now on is unstoppable.
    
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    September 25, 2025 8:55am
    - septic skeptic
      
      Agree. When he puapua, Maori ownership of water, co-governance etc emerged in the previous Labour and LGNZF governments I thought 2023 was the last chance for NZ. Luxon, Willis and others have resolutely refused to reverse these policies in a meaningful way. A term or two of LGTPM will make it even more difficult, likely impossible.
      
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      September 25, 2025 9:08am
    - cmm
      
      If ACT dies manage to score 25% that is only going to be a temporary blip.
      
      The current demographic trends show that NZ will be over 50% Maori + PI before 2050.
      
      Hint: They are not going to vote ACT.
      
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      September 25, 2025 10:09am
      - RoboRob
        
        10 years ago people in the US were saying the Republicans could never win government agian. That the young were trending hard left and latinos and blacks dont vote Rep.
        
        Now we have a Rep president who has massively increased the latino / black vote and has young men trending repbulican.
        
        Never say never 🙂
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:17am
      - Paulus
        
        People from the Indian Sub Continent will be higher percentage as are almost there anyway, than both so called Maori and the PIs.
        They work hard too and their children get well educated and they make money – however from experience watch them carefully in such matters.
        Years ago PIs went hard in terms of education for their children, but this seems to have dropped away – perhaps due to the increase in immigration from the Islands.
        Am not convincesdthat the so called Maori people are on the increase through birth, however as this is not apparent.
        
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        September 25, 2025 11:15am
      - Bullion
        
        Yes RoboRob, there will always be someone to blame for societies ills be it lgtbq, immigrants, women, dei, ethnic minorities etc.
        
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        September 25, 2025 3:17pm
  - pdm
    
    Cass the worry now is what is Tama Potaka going to do with Molesworth next year?
    
    Have a look at this Stuff article.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360831733/team-5-million-boss-nzs-largest-farm-had-radical-idea-quitting
    
    Ngai Tahu say they will bid for Molesworth if it is for sale. I do not trust Potaka and his Conservation Department cronies not to `GIFT’ it to them.
    
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    September 25, 2025 9:13am
    - wsk12345
      
      If you’ve not been theough thr Molesworth and want to, i suggest this summer is the time.
      
      When it is given to Nga Tahu to run or
      Own (as is inevitable because nobody can steward the land like them!!) it will be a high end tourism venture, and us mere taxpayers will not be welcome.
      
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      September 25, 2025 10:22am
      - R
        
        If Molesworth is given to Nga Tahu, it will end up like Waikaremoana.
        
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        September 25, 2025 2:22pm
      - Skippytony
        
        If its going yto Ngia Tahu it should go in the form of a trust, not transfer of title.
        
        The trust should have conditions around access and upkeep (and how earnings are taxed and distributed) and there should be a strongly independent board that oversees the operation of the trust up to and including removing control from Ngai Tahu.
        
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        September 25, 2025 3:21pm
      - marleybob
        
        Mate and I February on himalayans 411.
        Plus the rest of the SI.
        
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        September 25, 2025 6:13pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    We will have to wait and see about NZF. They could still go with Labour.
    
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    September 25, 2025 9:15am
    - RoboRob
      
      I think the prospect of dealing with the terrible Greens would be enough to keep NZF out of that arrangement. Although it is quite possible labour might make Winston PM and have the Greens for confidence and supply.
      
      Interesting times ahead next year.
      
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      September 25, 2025 10:14am
      - R
        
        quite possible Labour……. nothing more sure than this. Then watch NZ disintegrate!
        
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        September 25, 2025 2:25pm
- keepcalmcarryon
  
  Yes they lost my vote again yesterday over that, my local Nat MP will not be getting my support.
  The scary thing is it reveals that yep National are 100% on board the ethno state bus.
  Idiots.
  
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  September 25, 2025 8:31am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Unless it was misreported it was an extraordinarily stupid thing to say and will cost the Nats plenty of votes.
  
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  September 25, 2025 9:11am
  - RoboRob
    
    The issue is that they think it is a clever thing to say. They think the majority of the population is behind the Maori ‘stuff’ and that they are staying on side with the public.
    
    I assume they have polling that encourages this view. Im not sure if DPF can say, but I would imagine it is very hard to write poll questions aound the Maorification of NZ. I suspect many people would either not understand the issue or simply be to afraid to be a ‘racist’ and say they have concerns.
    
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    September 25, 2025 10:05am
    - Raphael
      
      I suspect the outcome of the Maori wards referendums (in those areas where they have to have a referendum) will give us a rough idea of what the general mood is.
      
      If there is middling support, well then it depends on how much turnout there was (i.e. could be a hot topic or simply voter apathy).
      If people vote overwhelmingly for or against Maori wards, then that is probably a good guage of public mood.
      
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      September 25, 2025 10:51am
      - RoboRob
        
        Good point. Sadly people in Christchurch dont get to vote on the ECan Maori representatives becuase the government legislated them as part of a treaty settlement. So much for democracy.
        
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        September 25, 2025 1:48pm
      - Paulus
        
        Well from today’s Herald we know who they are supporting and pushing for people to vote their way!
        
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        September 25, 2025 2:21pm
- Paulus
  
  National, including Willis ,will find out at the next election, come what may, that they have not listened to mnny of those who worked hard to put them into Government.
  
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  September 25, 2025 9:39am
  - RoboRob
    
    On their current trajectory I am still expecting an right wing government, but with a substantially weaker National party.
    
    Prediction.
    
    We may see Bill English voting levels for National but the saviour for the right will by ACT and NZF grabbing Nationals votes as the thought of a Green / TPM government is just too scary. Ironically Luxon’s weakness will keep Hipkins in power for Labour, which will be a problem for them.
    
    I wouldn’t be surprised with something like the following
    
    Nat 26%
    NZF 15%
    Act 12%
    
    On that polling you would have to question whether the resulting government was really a National led government.
    
    I expect a blood bath for National members on the list. Sadly the weakest players (Luxon, Willis) will likely skweek in but some of the better MPs might be lost.
    
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    September 25, 2025 10:13am
    - Paulus
      
      It is anticipated that from the media standpoint Luxon will lose his seat if they have everything to do with it, as they already will have the women’s vote against him
      After all he is bald !
      
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      September 25, 2025 11:18am
- cmm
  
  Why the outrage people?
  
  Willis has never been shy to say where she stands. She has been completely open about it – calling herself Blue Green (or Green Blue – I forget which). If she then does what she says why are people then squealing?
  
  If you feel mislead then look in the mirror. You have mislead yourself.
  
  I think many National supporters are just completely locked in to voting blue and do not listen to what they say. They’d vote for a ewe tupped by a ram with a blue raddle.
  
  If you just “two ticked Blue” without listening then that’s all on you.
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:14am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Not astonishing at all. Willis is a well-known libby.
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:16am
- Philview
  
  I got the impression she was saying that rolling back Maori iniatives has taken the focus away from the economy. She is really clutching at straws I think. It even sounded like she pointed the finger at John Key for the current predicament of the economy. He left nearly 10 years ago so quite a stretch to apportion blame like that. I used to think highly of Nicola but it seems the pressure is on and she is finger pointing blame rather than selling a solution.
  
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  September 25, 2025 11:38am
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    Agree it’s also a sign they are under pressure.
    
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    September 25, 2025 3:12pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Maori related issues”
  
  This is the problem with the Nats
  
  It’s not about Maoris , it’s about the constitution and democratic principles .That’s the foundation of our free , wealthy ( ? ) and stable ( ? ) society .
  
  The Nats want to sell the public that the only thing that matters is the economy . That’s fine as far as it goes but the constitution really does matter and it is being actively undermined and the Nats simply don’t want to defend it.
  
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  September 25, 2025 12:37pm
  - R
    
    Kowtow, exactly how are National going to defend their policy position, when the majority MSM are dead against them, publish out of context comments; and we have a population of economic illiterates who are too lazy to think for themselves
    
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    September 25, 2025 2:32pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      There’s a trusty cohort of anonymous KB posters who whinge relentlessly to each other. That’ll do it 🙂
      
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      September 25, 2025 2:56pm
      - Cassandra
        
        And the odd visitor who whinges about it. Relentlessly ✝️
        
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        September 25, 2025 3:29pm
      - RoboRob
        
        Well voting for people who promised to deal with it isn’t working out either 🙂
        
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        September 25, 2025 3:43pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        IB have you read the crap from the “cohort of anonymous posters” on reddit, the daily bog and the standard?
        
        Two sides that can no longer see eye to eye on anything.
        
        Time to split the country. Lefties, haters and wreckers have the Nth Island and rational people the Sth Island.
        
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        September 25, 2025 10:23pm
Chuck Bird

I hope Groundswell makes President Trump an honorary member after his performance at the UN. Climate change is a scam.
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September 25, 2025 8:20am
- MCōs
  
  Are you suggesting they deserve each other?
  
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  September 25, 2025 9:21am
- coge
  
  Groundswell are unsteady. Putting it mildly.
  
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  September 25, 2025 9:45am
- imalwaysright
  
  Chuck, that would be a great move. Trump appreciates overt support.
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:10am
- PurplePen
  
  As an aside, for all that he is, warts and all, if Trump hadn’t occurred, would there have been any thought of a shake-up for the UN and the likes of NATO, any thought of review of funds to these organisations.
  
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  September 25, 2025 1:13pm
sungsamning

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2025/09/trump_s_immigration_reset_h_1b_and_gold_card_orders_put_america_first.html
Trump’s Immigration Reset: H-1B and Gold Card Orders Put America First.
President Donald Trump’s two recent executive orders, one imposing a $100,000 annual fee on H-1B visas and the other launching the “Gold Card” fast-track residency program, represent the most significant immigration reforms in decades.
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September 25, 2025 8:22am
- Wandering Star
  
  Get them out, and then stop more coming in. That is the only immigration policy Western nations need if they have any hope of longterm survival. But they’ll never get it unless and until there is root and branch systemic change, because limitless immigration is a pillar of the neoliberal economic model and the only thing keeping the economies artificially inflated.
  
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  September 25, 2025 1:50pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n2U2DD4G4U
How Long Can Putin’s War Economy Survive?
Russia’s battlefield strength depends on its economy – oil, gas, shadow fleets, and dwindling reserves. In this video, Elvira Bary unpacks how Imperial habits, Soviet legacies, and Putin’s rent model keep the system afloat – and where the cracks are beginning to show. From sanctions and drone strikes to falling oil revenues and ballooning deficits, we examine whether Moscow still has the cash to pay loyalists and sustain the war.
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September 25, 2025 8:23am
- NothingLeft
  
  Things really are on a knife edge in Ukraine.
  
  Russia is launching on average a few hundred drones and missiles per night against Ukrainian cities and infrastructure. 10-20% are getting through and wrecking a lot of stuff and killing 10ish civilians a day.
  
  No man’s land has grown out to 40-60km width, anyone moving around has a target on their back. Tanks Trucks and APVs have lives of only hours and are basically useless, MRAPs (armored 4wd vehicles) do a little better, though only Ukraine has them in significant numbers, and Russian assaults are all done by 2-3 man groups of infantry or a dozen motorbike mounted stormtroopers doing banzai runs with terribly loss ratios. Taking significant territory has become impossible.
  
  Ukraine are running really short on front line troops, but are still holding pretty well – with only small incremental losses of territory in the 5-10km² range per day. They’ve even taken back a few hundred km² in a few encirclements. But holding territory is a fairly nebulous goal, as it involves just having people hiding in underground holes, coming out only to run for food or other provisions as drones kill everyone above ground with half lives of a few hours. Drone re-supply has become essential for forward operations allowing people to remain secreted underground.
  
  But bigger ukraine drone weapons are starting to really hurt targets deep within Russia. petrol and diesel shortages now pervasive, and oil exports significantly down (in part due to sanctions). Their bigger and more numerous short range weapons are also wrecking Russian front lines and rear support networks with ever increasing effectiveness. Russian numerical troop advantage and deeper pockets are being negated by drone tech.
  
  Russia is really struggling economically, and Putin is getting desperate – lots of wealthy Russians are being suicided, likely as a means to expropriate their wealth, and Putin is looking for an excuse to mobilise a few hundred thousand men as he’s running out of soldiers – eg trying to get Nato to shoot down a plane via sending planes and drones over Nato territory to create a casus belli that will enable him to ramp up repressive controls on Russian people and take whatever he needs to keep war going
  
  I’d say 50% chance the war ends in next year, and the longer it goes on the more chance I think Ukraine has of taking back significant territory as Russian economy and motivation runs out of steam. Putin’s only move is to go all-in and fully mobilize Russia for war, but not sure Russians will comply – or that he will survive if he trys it.
  
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  September 25, 2025 1:27pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    A real game changer for Ukraine is the FP5 flamingo missile, 1 tonne warhead and 3000km range, flying at low level at 8-900km/hr making it very hard to shoot down, similar to Tomahawk missile.
    
    They found a few thousand old end of life jet trainer turbofan engines that they could use for production making these missiles really cheap. Aiming for production of 7 a day within next few months. Missiles of this size can wreck just about anything, bridges, power stations, refineries, dams, large factories. And Russian air defense won’t be able to take them out given their speed and low altitude.
    
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    September 25, 2025 1:36pm
    - Ross Bayer
      
      Hi Nothing
      I am not really sure how to respond to these comments and I see you have support for your views.
      I get my information from a number of different sources but here are some podcasts that tell a different story.
      From what I understand Ukrainian losses are around ten times that of the Russia at 1.75 m and 150k respectively.
      Russia is running a war of attrition and based on the above figures this is working very much in their favour
      Anyway here are some information sources that may or may not help with your misunderstanding of the situation
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDFXfW6bF9U
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdOfGBD6suQ
      
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      September 25, 2025 3:22pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Col McGregor?
        Lol. Thats funny.
        
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        September 25, 2025 3:36pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Hodges has been serially wrong about just about everything for 3 years. When experts make continually bad predictions they are not experts.
        
        150k Russian losses is just comical and contradicted by basically every source. Eg Andrew Perpetua has counted from visual sighting in videos and images 35000 Russian dead in last 9 months. This will be a small fraction of the total, but still per diem exceeds your Russian propaganda claims. https://xcancel.com/AndrewPerpetua
        
        Russian propaganda has seen most traction in targeting unmoderated right wing sites in the west, with fertile ground amongst people like us who are naturally (and rightly) distrustful of MSM. But it is nonetheless bullshit – as is born out by their stories not matching the evolving reality, and the laughable claims of destroyed Ukrainian equipment they’ve made – summing to many times the equipment that the Ukrainians ever possessed. Open source combat loss assessors like Osint and Andrew Perpetua working through hundreds of thousands of videos put daily lie to Russian numbers.
        
        Offensives always see higher losses. Historically ~3x, In drone warfare 5-10x. Historically between 2:1 and 5:1 wounded to killed and more recently likely closer to 1:1 as can’t evacuate wounded. Russia has been om offensive for 1200 days using mostly poorly trained and minimally equipped meat wave infantry attackers – with endless videos of them and countless stories of their horrendous treatment by their commanders, torture, extortion and other abuses – intercepted from internal Russian communications and pleading missives. Their losses have been catastrophic – vast pre-war depots of 10k tanks 20k APCs 30k artillery are all basically gone (as confirmed by sat pics analyzed by sources like Covert Cabal). They’ve clearly lost many many times more men than Ukraine – we have a pretty clear idea of their recruited numbers, and the size of their army from various leaks, Internet sleuthing has identified 130k Russian dead by name, probate records at least 220k, and there are a huge number of destitute men, prisoners, tricked migrants and others who will never be traced by such methods. Ukrainian claims of 1.1million total casualties dead and wounded will be an exaggeration but highly likely that it is in the 750k-1million range.
        
        Russia seems to have a two tier military – a smaller core of higher quality troops VDV etc that they train and try to preserve in rear only bringing them out occasionally for critical maneuvers, and the majority disposable meat wave troops, generally of poor physical or mental strength with little training that they abuse horrendously and waste lives of without a thought – shot from behind if they don’t throw themselves at the enemy. Russian command structure is clearly completely screwed – rewarding anyone who takes territory (or claims to have) without accounting for cost. It’s incredibly inefficient, basically dysfunctional by design, with only rare pockets of competence (such as Rubicon drone unit that have copied Ukraine’s elite Magyars Birds unit)
        
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        September 25, 2025 6:02pm
    - OlderChas
      
      ….Bridges, power stations, dams, large factories – and Kremlins? Yes please!
      
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      September 25, 2025 5:36pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Shell Lane (The Terrace) bike rack report:

At 8.25am, just the one bike today.

A cool, clear, dry morning in the Capital, light winds but nothing a cyclist can’t handle.

It is the school holidays, though.
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September 25, 2025 8:25am
- G152
  
  And no cycles in the Frankton railway racks
  
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  September 25, 2025 8:59am
  - zulumonster
    
    I was going to say “that’s a shame” then I realise you said racks, not tracks …
    
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    September 25, 2025 10:51am
- wsk12345
  
  And a bit early to be starting work of one finishes at 3 pm to pick up the kids
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:24am
Swifty

As a spectator sport Trump’s presidency is the best of my lifetime:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360834622/trump-unveils-presidential-walk-fame-white-house-biden-gets-autopen-portrait

I just love him sticking it to the left, who have had it all their own way for so long.
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September 25, 2025 8:32am
- sirknz
  
  I have to admit that I thought it was just a meme taht somebody had cooked up when I first saw this.
  
  It’s a much better troll than the Epstein Trump statues in the MSM yesterday.
  
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  September 25, 2025 9:29am
  - Wandering Star
    
    Nobody voted for Trump to “troll” people and “own the libs” 2017 style. His administration seems to go from bad to worse daily, and the guy hmself is an embarrassment at this point, whose residual core support is largely Boomers and/or former Never Trumpers who only got on board once Trump was assimilated into the mainstream.
    
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    September 25, 2025 1:56pm
    - Swifty
      
      “…. residual core support….”
      
      Snigger.
      
      He won the 2024 US Presidential Election less than a year ago and if an election was held tomorrow he’d romp in again.
      
      His opposition are in complete disarray.
      
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      September 25, 2025 2:12pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        Sure, he won in November, but in the subsequent 10 months, he’s been completely useless and he’s been bleeding support because even his voters are disillusioned, particularly younger ones.
        
        Look at his record: he hasn’t done mass deportations, he hasn’t released the Epstein files, he hasn’t ended the war in Ukraine (three overt promises), he has bombed Iran…. I could go on.
        
        You’re right about one thing though: Trump is damn lucky the Democrats are floundering, and also very lucky that he doesn’t have to get re-elected.
        
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        September 25, 2025 6:27pm
- Paulus
  
  And like the Herald today, don’t they really hate him ?
  
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  September 25, 2025 9:40am
  - Swifty
    
    The left hate him because they can’t control him.
    
    I am just so, so pleased he won.
    
    And if JD Vance carries on the way he’s going and ends up as Pres that would be just the icing on the cake.
    
    After the Biden years and the abomination that was Harris’ run the Dems deserve to be out in the cold for a long, long time.
    
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    September 25, 2025 11:47am
    - Wandering Star
      
      JD Vance is completely fake and cringe. He’s a creation of Peter Thiel meant to appeal to people who think only on a surface level. Put him in a plaid shirt and people think he’s a conservative. He owes his career to Silicon Valley sponsors. Even his name is fake (formerly Donald James Bowman).
      
      He’s sold as “MAGA” yet he is a lifelong liberal who was calling Trump a racist Nazi just a few short years ago, and praised Obama when he left office, citing racism and jealousy as the reason people didn’t rate Obama.
      
      He even wrote a book shitting on the White people around whom he was raised, and in which he reveaks that he chose an Indian wife because she was the opposite of his own kind whom he detests.
      
      MAGA is implicitly about the forgotten White Americans. This is why MAGA is denounced as White supremacist, because the left understands the drivers of the phenomenon. Donald Bowman won’t even advocate for and perpetuate an ethnic identity in his own house, let alone in America.
      
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      September 25, 2025 2:12pm
      - RichardF
        
        His name is not fake. Vance was named James Donald Bowman at birth. Afterward, he was adopted by his mother’s third husband and had his name changed to James David Hamel. In April 2013, he adopted his maternal grandparents’ surname of Vance. From Wikipedia and Associated Press.
        
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        September 25, 2025 3:08pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  I think this one from early this month is even better:
  
  The White House on LinkedIn has changed their profile picture to Donald Trump, so even the people who worked for BIDEN from 2021-2025 have Trump’s face on their profile.
  
  “If you worked for the White House in the past, and it’s on your profile, people see Trump’s face.”
  
  White House spokesperson Steven Cheung: “That’s the point, dummy.”
  
  😂😂😂😂
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:31am
- Raphael
  
  It’s childish, petty and immature.
  And absolutely hilarious and fairly accurate.
  I think it was a brilliant bit of trolling.
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:55am
  - Wandering Star
    
    When do the mass deportations start? When he’s bored with “trolling” the “left”?
    
    Americans deserve better than Trump.
    
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    September 25, 2025 2:15pm
artemisia

Hundreds of principals to boycott curriculum roadshows

Sounds like nose, spite, face. And poor wee petals. Hopefully their schools will be top of the review timetable list followed by publication of their numeracy and literacy stats.

Maybe they haven’t noticed which current Minister is top of the ratings.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/574031/hundreds-of-principals-to-boycott-curriculum-roadshows
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September 25, 2025 8:39am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  They should all be dismissed. It would require special legislation passed under urgency. That might put an end to it.
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:33am
  - RoboRob
    
    Stanford ‘might’ do that, but Luxon would never let that one fly. To controversial for him.
    
    Now Seymour or Winston on the otherhand would be all over that.
    
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    September 25, 2025 10:37am
  - Paulus
    
    What makes you think they would respect any change in Legislation.
    They have along with many others no interest in anything but themselves.
    
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    September 25, 2025 11:21am
    - Nikola Donatello
      
      They would be out of work. Doesn’t matter what they think.
      
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      September 25, 2025 1:25pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Good idea. They wouldn’t have to sack too many for the rest of them to fall into line and start infighting and finger pointing to avoid the axe.
        
        The Lefty’s aren’t renowned for their bravery nor their loyalty.
        
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        September 25, 2025 2:13pm
      - R
        
        They aren’t thinking. Many of the teachers, and principals came from an era where individual thinking skills were not taught!
        
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        September 25, 2025 2:40pm
- RoboRob
  
  But, but, but, they are doing this for the children. By not learning about the new curriculm the children under their care will recieve a great education.
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:36am
- imalwaysright
  
  “Sounds like nose, spite, face.”
  
  Sounds like nose, spite, pupils.
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:44am
- peterwn
  
  All more reason principals should be on five year contracts like other public CEO’s.
  
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  September 25, 2025 11:16am
- nigel2010
  
  it gets worse on the news during Hoskins show one of the principals made the claim the new curriculum would include numeracy and literacy, what the f*ck are they teaching if they are not teaching these subjects
  
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  September 25, 2025 1:18pm
  - Paulus
    
    Da Haka of course !
    
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    September 25, 2025 2:27pm
- R
  
  So the principals are he’ll bent on achieving even lower results from their pupils, for literacy, math and English language. And these teachers and principals want even higher salaries.
  
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  September 25, 2025 2:38pm
Gary Benner

Terrible reporting from the NZ Herald this morning, with no balance or critical thinking:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/talanoa/hes-an-idiot-pacific-doctors-slam-trumps-health-advice-recall-measles-disaster/3DTEZIQKNVDSHGOSR5AZN2MVJI/

“A leading Pacific health expert has slammed the US President’s claims that taking paracetamol during pregnancy is linked to autism.”

““He’s an idiot. He and his health guy – bunch of idiots. These are the same people who said bleach was going to cure Covid.”

1. Snopes fact check
“at no point did Trump explicitly tell people they could or should inject bleach into their bodies.”
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-bleach-covid-19/

2. Trump did NOT claim taking paracetamol during pregnancy is linked to autism. These guys did:

1. Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai
Systematic review of 46 studies worldwide; found strong evidence of an association between prenatal acetaminophen exposure and increased ASD risk (odds ratio ~1.19), with higher-quality studies showing clearer links. Proposed biological mechanisms like altered brain development.

2. Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
Supported the association in the review; separate evaluations of studies like the Nurses’ Health Study II linked prenatal exposure to modest ASD risk increases. Dean Andrea Baccarelli noted: “Higher-quality studies are more likely to show a link.”

3. Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health
Found consistent associations between acetaminophen metabolites in cord blood and elevated ASD/ADHD risk; 2025 updates tied to recent policy debates.

4. Yale School of Public Health
analyzed associations across populations, finding links between frequent/prolonged use and ASD in some cohorts, but emphasized confounding factors like genetics and fever.

5. JAMA Network
Nationwide study of 2.5 million births (1995–2019); initial associations weakened substantially in sibling controls, suggesting no causal link—but highlighted residual risks in observational data.

The U.S. FDA (September 2025) initiated label changes for acetaminophen products based on emerging evidence from these studies, warning of possible ASD/ADHD risks.

So Sir Collin Tukuitonga, an Auckland University Professor and New Zealand’s former director of public health, claimed to be “a leading Pacific health expert” must have his head in a bubble, first by making this claim without any reference to the substantial body of research, and then by making it “political” by calling Trump “an idiot”, and repeating the stupid claim as above. Seems this will come back to bit him in the derriere.

If this quality of person is in charge of our public health then that could explain the utter mess it is in.

And then we have the NZ Herald reporting that totally fails to question his remarks, given the readily available facts, and apparently bowing down to his status giving him a free ride.
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September 25, 2025 8:58am
- MCōs
  
  Here is a release from the White House re acetaminophen (paracetamol or Tylenol) and autism
  https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/09/fact-evidence-suggests-link-between-acetaminophen-autism/
  
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  September 25, 2025 9:35am
- sirknz
  
  As with all things TDS, if people would hold off with their visceral reactions for a couple of days, the actual truth comes out and they would look a lot less silly.
  
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  September 25, 2025 9:35am
- MCōs
  
  “And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?
  “So it’d be interesting to check that.”
  Donald Trump, 2020
  
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  September 25, 2025 9:48am
  - Gary Benner
    
    So he is asking a question of the medical community, NOT stating that people should go out and buy bleach form the supermarket and inject it.
    
    TDS is interpreting aything in the most negative way.
    
    The lack of journalistic balance is just astounding.
    
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    September 25, 2025 10:08am
    - MCōs
      
      Bloody stupid question from a guy who claims to be always right
      
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      September 25, 2025 10:16am
      - Gary Benner
        
        We need more questions, not less. as often insights are gained from what are termed stupid questions, because it prompts people to think outside the loop.
        
        It is actually not a stupid question because there is research going on to test the efficacy (reported beneficially anecdotally) of nebulizing Hydrogen Peroxide (a process of taking a “bleach” internally). While I agree doing it willy nilly is not a good idea, determining the parameters – which scientific research does – will show how to gain benefit from this.
        
        So Trump asking this question was rather close to something of real benefit.
        
        The “stupid” comment came from deceptive people, trying to convince us that the only solution to what was eventually rated as a rather bad seasonal flu, was a radically new, not fully tested, gene therapy that required the word “vaccine” to be redefined in our language to be seen to be acceptable, allowing them to make Billions of Dollars all the while raising our all cause mortality.
        
        Now that is stupid IMHO.
        
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        September 25, 2025 11:01am
      - Gary Benner
        
        Just as a little balance, check out this newspaper article from 1991 , well before Trump had any political ambitions. Shows he has form for bravery and stopping fights.
        
        https://www.facebook.com/blackwellohio/posts/pfbid0vCc2CeSSEaxrnsswKMV9c2Q3Mece49Y1ywvz3gjmeS8sfd8tM9N8pYLwm2SvpfTjl
        
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        September 25, 2025 11:27am
      - Allan
        
        On 9/11 what hit the Pentagon?
        
        A plane or a missile, because one witness stated “it came in like a missile”
        
        To say that Trump said to inject bleach is a deliberate, malicious, or stupid misinterpretation.
        
        You can pick which of those 3 is applicable.
        
        Just to add, it was Biden who was first to say Trump said to inject bleach. I’m not sure I would want to be rated alongside Biden for intelligence and mental acuity.
        
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        September 25, 2025 12:08pm
  - rouppe
    
    A while ago I listened to the whole interview, because of the frothing that came from [Mod – there is no need for that]
    
    First part he talking about UV light as a disinfectant. Then he compares the effect as like bleach which kills viruses in a few minutes. Then the conversation turns back to the uv light and he wonders whether there’s a way for that to be used internally.
    
    He actually talked about two disinfectants, so “the disinfectant” is not directly referencing either in particular. Once you listen to the whole thing and put some adult thinking around it, your assertion falls over.
    
    At no time does he suggest ingesting bleach. I dare you to come up with unedited video that shows different. I double dare you, [deleted]
    
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    September 25, 2025 11:59am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Trump was referring to this emerging Technology
      
      ‘A Cedars-Sinai research team is in the pre-clinical stages of developing a technology that harnesses intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light for treating viruses and bacteria. ‘
      https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/cedars-sinai-statement-on-uv-a–technology/
      ‘Led by Mark Pimentel, MD, the research team of the Medically Associated Science and Technology (MAST) Program at Cedars-Sinai has been developing the patent-pending Healight platform since 2016 and has produced a growing body of scientific evidence demonstrating pre-clinical safety and effectiveness of the technology as an antiviral and antibacterial treatment. The Healight technology employs proprietary methods of administering intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light via a novel endotracheal medical device. Pre-clinical findings indicate the technology’s significant impact on eradicating a wide range of viruses and bacteria, inclusive of coronavirus. The data have been the basis of discussions with the FDA for a near-term path to enable human use for the potential treatment of coronavirus in intubated patients in the intensive care unit (ICU). Beyond the initial pursuit of a coronavirus ICU indication, additional data suggest broader clinical applications for the technology across a range of viral and bacterial pathogens. This includes bacteria implicated in ventilator associated pneumonia (VAP).’
      https://apnews.com/press-release/accesswire/b44f4531071e6204023f7b8e16f59d4b
      
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      September 25, 2025 12:28pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Have to ask
        Does his knowledge of this make Trump smarter than those here who had no idea it existed?
        Thats funny.
        
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        September 25, 2025 6:33pm
    - R
      
      Comprehension is another skill that hasn’t been taught in our schools for a long time; judging by the content of many NZ Herald published reporters articles
      
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      September 25, 2025 2:47pm
- Local Miller
  
  When the initial WH release popped up on KB there were immediately some making disparaging comments towards Trump, and that they would rather “trust their GP”. It looked like classic TDS to me. It took me 2 minutes to check the background to this and it was clear that Trump was correct and repeating what the FDA had told him based on well documented research.
  People like Sir Collin should be hauled over the coals by Auckland Uni and told to pull his head in and do his research before brining the university into disrepute.
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:02am
  - MCōs
    
    Here’s a study that is worth a look https://theconversation.com/paracetamol-use-during-pregnancy-not-linked-to-autism-our-study-of-2-5-million-children-shows-265919
    
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    September 25, 2025 10:14am
    - imalwaysright
      
      The fact that the Swedes thought it worthwhile to investigate multiple health characteristics of 2.5 million people in itself indicates that they saw a potential link.
      And they did.
      Article:
      “When we first looked at the entire population, we saw a pattern that echoed earlier studies: children whose mothers reported using acetaminophen during pregnancy were slightly more likely to be diagnosed with autism, ADHD or an intellectual disability.”
      
      Their main conclusion seems to be that, since not all siblings of the same mother showed signs of autism then it couldn’t be construed that Paracetomol is the cause.
      
      I’m not a scientist, but that seems a premature conclusion.
      
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      September 25, 2025 10:58am
    - Gary Benner
      
      “The Conversation” claims “Academic rigour, journalistic flair” … NOT!
      
      The article is not a research paper in itself, but simply an authors opinion. They cherry pick one research paper, and posits their opinion on an aspect of one part of the results, all the while ignoring all the other research. Hardly balanced or ground breaking.
      
      Normally medicine observes the “precautionary principle”, unless of course it means Big Pharma lose money then it becomes open slather!
      
      Just look how they treat independent doctors who question the orthodoxy! It’s the Spanish Inquisition all over again.
      
      The timing of the article hints at the Big Pharma PR machine getting up steam. So grab your popcorn and see what they get up to. Dirty tricks without doubt.
      
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      September 25, 2025 11:38am
      - RichardX
        
        “The Conversation” claims “Academic rigour, journalistic flair” … NOT!
        
        It has been a while since I have seen a fail on this scale but the study in the Cnversation article, that you are denigrating due to its source, is the same one you listed as supporting Trump!
        
        The difference is that you can actually read the study from the link MCos provided.
        
        https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406
        
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        September 25, 2025 12:18pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Harvard University has a different view to the Swedes
      https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/using-acetaminophen-during-pregnancy-may-increase-childrens-autism-and-adhd-risk/
      
      Note;’The statement continued: “Further research is needed to confirm the association and determine causality, but based on existing evidence, I believe that caution about acetaminophen use during pregnancy—especially heavy or prolonged use—is warranted.”
      
      Seems sensible to warn people of the potential problem doesnt it.
      
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      September 25, 2025 12:42pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Local: Utter nonsense. Do put up a link which supports the claim that the FDA supported or supports Trumps claim – something no other reputable public medical authority anywhere in the world agrees with
    
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    September 25, 2025 12:00pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Do you know how to use Google?
      This was easy to find
      https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-responds-evidence-possible-association-between-autism-and-acetaminophen-use-during-pregnancy
      
      And see my link above showing Harvard University School of Health agrees.
      
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      September 25, 2025 12:45pm
    - Local Miller
      
      All_on_Red rests my case.
      
      Actually DG I’m amazed at your response and that you and those that up ticked you, didn’t take the time to check what I said, especially since I also claimed that I had seen the article previously.
      
      In some situations a retraction would be required.
      
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      September 25, 2025 4:14pm
- Handyman
  
  Re the bleach hoax.
  There was a small study a few years before covid in Africa that used chlorine dioxide (which is bleach) to successfully treat malaria. The ClO2 level was about what is added to swimming pools in the west.
  It was a legitimate line of inquiry to treat covid.
  Imagine the uproar if Trump had suggested adding bleach (chlorine) to municipal drinking water!
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:56am
  - Local Miller
    
    Anyone who has gone tramping (hiking in SA terms) in rural areas of South Africa, and even in some areas of NZ will be aware of using chlorine (bleach) tablets to purify water. Actually, check out this NZ website that recommends this.
    https://hike.co.nz/essential-water-purification-tips-for-new-zealand-hikes/
    Section 3.2. **Chemical Purification:** Using tablets or drops such as iodine or chlorine dioxide can be a lightweight and efficient option. However, these methods may require a wait time before the water is safe to drink, and they can alter the taste of the water.
    
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    September 25, 2025 4:18pm
Yvette

You’re destroying your countries — they’re being overrun. Europe is in serious trouble; it has been invaded by a force of illegal aliens like nothing anyone has ever seen before. They’re pouring in, and nobody is doing anything to stop it or send them back. It’s not sustainable. And because the leaders choose to be politically correct, they’re doing absolutely nothing about it. I have to say, when I look at London — where you have a terrible mayor, just terrible — I see a city that has been completely changed. Now they even talk about bringing in Sharia law, but this isn’t their country to remake. Both unchecked immigration and these suicidal energy policies will be the death of Western Europe if something is not done — and done immediately.” – United States President Donald Trump at the United Nations

That is almost verbatim Tarrant, except Tarrant said it of rural France, so a different mayor
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September 25, 2025 9:17am
- sirknz
  
  Um, quoting Tarrant, or even hinting at reading his manifesto before it was classified is technically a crime in NZ.
  
  He is closer to a Greens MP than a far right nutjob though, but this was clearly only in Minecraft.
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:20am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Sirknz
    
    “He is closer to a Greens MP”
    
    Correct.
    If he was a Conservative or Right Wing, you can be sure that Ardern’s bought and paid for media would have printed every word of his manifesto ad nauseum, and that Tarrant would have stood in a very public trial whether he pled guilty or not.
    
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    September 25, 2025 11:05am
  - Yvette
    
    Sirknz, in his written explanation as to why he was banning it, David Shanks, gave a reasonably detailed indication to what he was banning and why – so one could “quote” The Chief Censor at the time, quoting Tarrant – but the quote above is of Donald Trump.
    
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    September 25, 2025 11:09am
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      I was commenting on your last sentence.
      
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      September 25, 2025 11:56am
- Paulus
  
  I believe we have been told that 78 Sharia Courts have been establised in the UK so far.
  
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  September 25, 2025 11:23am
- Philview
  
  The UK per reports I have read has had a net migration inflow of 5 million people since 2020. This is reported as the biggest migration to the UK in the country’s long history. The Conservative Government admitted they did it to fudge economic growth figures. That is enough people to destabilise a country and I assume other countries in Europe have used the same tactic.
  
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  September 25, 2025 11:44am
  - kowtow
    
    I see the UK media are calling it the Boriswave.
    
    His regime opened borders something shocking.
    
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    September 25, 2025 12:45pm
    - Paulus
      
      I think you mean Tony Blair as he wanted Labour voters so he opened the floodgates – where did you get this Boris thing from ?
      
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      September 25, 2025 2:32pm
      - kowtow
        
        I wouldn’t presume to tell another poster what I thought he meant.
        
        And no , not Blair .( though they did bring in migrants too bigly )
        
        Boris . That’s why they’re calling it a boriswave.
        
        See UK Daily Telegraph . Editorial. 23 Sept 2025.
        
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        September 25, 2025 3:38pm
      - Bullion
        
        Yes all those immigrants from more conservative countries and likely more religious than your average Brit are going to vote for left wing partied and their lgtbq “agenda”, and pro choice and womens liberation, and liberalisation of drugs, and making sure there are social services and not reliant on private healthcare, schooling, policing, transport etc. like they’re used to from their home countries.
        
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        September 25, 2025 4:44pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Bullion
        What nonsense.
        Most immigration to the UK is Muslim
        They arent voting for ‘ their lgtbq “agenda”, and pro choice and womens liberation, and liberalisation of drugs’
        Quite the opposite
        Look at the Gaza Yacht Florilla
        Its breaking apart because the Muslims didnt like all the gay people on board
        They just sacked the Doom Goblin too.
        
        And thats not the experience the US has seen of immigrants to the US from Mexico and South.
        They are conservative and they are voting for Trump.
        His share of the Hispanic vote keeps rising every year. As well as Blacks. And they like how he is locking out more illegal immigration.
        Keeps their jobs secure and pushes wages up without being undercut but illegals.
        
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        September 25, 2025 6:17pm
      - Bullion
        
        All_on_Red
        
        You are confirming my point, that left wing parties opening the border to supposedly increase their voters doesn’t make sense when there are likely significant immigrants more conservative than your average Western left wing party (same in NZ with Indian, Chinese and South African immigrants).
        
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        September 26, 2025 2:57pm
Inandout

Ms Breman would have been in Sweden when they declined to close the country down for Covid. I guess she will get questioned on this at some stage.
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September 25, 2025 9:20am
Ghost

Introducing the 46th president of the United States…… president auto pen

President Donald Trump has added a Presidential Walk of Fame to the exterior of the White House, featuring portraits of each of the previous commanders-in-chief — except for one.

Article
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September 25, 2025 9:28am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s childish and petty and hilarious (and probably correct).
  
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  September 25, 2025 9:37am
  - Foxfour
    
    You mean like the autopen that signed the Epstein birthday ‘card’ from Trump
    
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    September 25, 2025 10:42am
    - Allan
      
      Any proof that the card was really Trump?
      
      [Mod – debate without personal jabs]
      
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      September 25, 2025 12:14pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Then there is this;
        ‘“I was hired to lead Jeffrey Epstein’s defense as his criminal lawyer nine days before he died,”(Lawyer David) Schoen wrote in a series of tweets in reaction to the allegation. “He sought my advice for months before that. I can say authoritatively, unequivocally and definitively that he had no information to hurt President Trump. I specifically asked him!”
        https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/06/06/lawyer-david-schoen-denies-trump-musk-epstein-files-claim/
        
        Trump met Epstein through Ghislaine Maxwell, and he met her because he knew her father, Sir Robert Maxwell the, now dead, Publisher.
        Trump used to have drinks with Robert on his Yacht in NY and were friends. The yacht was called Lady Ghislaine- of course.
        
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        September 25, 2025 3:49pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      That was probably Trump. So what? He’s a douchebag.
      It wasn’t a crime and was in 2003.
      
      You do realise that non-authorised people using Biden’s autopen to sign EOs and pardons etc is a massive scandal and crime if true right?
      
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      September 25, 2025 1:02pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        That’s (D)ifferent. Standards of Ethics and Morality only apply to my tribal enemies.
        
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        September 25, 2025 3:30pm
      - Foxfour
        
        Trump currently uses autopen to sign ‘ less important papers’… just like Biden
        
        Of course Trump used to wail about Obama and his autocue… then as President does it all the time
        
        We all remember about how much Trump loves golfing as President and yet also that was a whine about how much time Obama spent on the course
        
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        September 25, 2025 3:48pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘just like Biden’
        Err no.
        Trump actually authorises the use of it.
        Unlike Biden.
        
        And Trump can speak off the cuff very easily, and for a long time.
        See the UN speech?
        
        Obama always preferred the Auto prompter.
        
        Obama tended to golf mainly with friends. Trump does business.
        Trumps is a clown but no need to be disingenous
        
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        September 25, 2025 3:57pm
- sirknz
  
  There is word getting out about some autopen operators getting paid for pardons to the tune of $250k a pop.
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:16am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I would write a pardon with my own blood for $250K…
    
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    September 25, 2025 2:23pm
sirknz

Um, how did the witness manage to get a job as a taxi driver…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland/auckland-cbd-crash-leaves-one-seriously-injured-victoria-st-closed/UQALKUGXXRAHVADKAR4WJNAPWE/

“A taxi driver, whose words were translated by a friend, told the Herald he was waiting at traffic lights behind a police car when a vehicle “came speeding” in the opposite direction”

He’s probably on the pathway to citizenship under the current regime…
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September 25, 2025 10:15am
Ian Boag

I know the welfare 8 kids outrage thing is getting a bit old, but just for the hell of it I dug chatGPT into the subject a little further and got an interesting result. If he has $70k gross income and 8 kids and all that, his net income is $100k-$120k. That’s net!

https://chatgpt.com/share/68d4740b-ea78-800d-8356-504a719da82f

Go figure
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September 25, 2025 10:48am
- Prince
  
  Yes I’ve been thinking about that article too.
  Imagine having eight kids, a dodgy knee, and thinking ‘I’ll just sit at home – the Govt must look after us’.
  Surely there are jobs this guy can do that don’t involve stress on his knee. If not, retrain. But don’t just sit back watching Sky all day on your large TV and expect others to fund you.
  
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  September 25, 2025 4:01pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    My point was that if he got a $70k (gross) job ($55k net) – his tax credits and accom supplements and stuff would end up with a net family income of about $110k give or take …. I did the sums again with a min wage job and it wasn’t enormously different
    
    https://chatgpt.com/share/68d4d6cb-03e8-800d-8add-8c90338374a2
    
    Go figure some more 🙂
    
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    September 25, 2025 5:41pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      We dont need to ‘go figure’
      More accurate numbers than yours were on here last week courtesy of Lindsay Mitchell
      [ Mod – just stick to the issue and lose the smarmy stuff ]
      
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      September 25, 2025 6:19pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Her numbers weren’t significantly different to what chatGPT spat out in 20 seconds. She didn’t do the “net after wages from a job” sums.
        
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        September 25, 2025 7:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        [Mod – focus on your own behaviour]
        
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        September 25, 2025 7:26pm
  - greybeard
    
    You are assuming that his knee actually is dodgy: however, the “dodgy” bit sounds right.
    
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    September 26, 2025 6:40am
imalwaysright

The cops raid a cannabis operation.
Lots of camera work and a strange looking breach and entry.
https://share.google/38WdJQkwIxFFioOqN
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September 25, 2025 11:15am
- rouppe
  
  Was an odd entry.
  
  I suspect the door was more reinforced than normal ones so the hinges needed “loosening” before the door could be knocked over.
  
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  September 25, 2025 11:51am
- David Garrett
  
  Imalways: Nine tons of ganga is pretty damn impressive! I grew one plant once that kept me going for a year…I was pretty proud of that!
  
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  September 25, 2025 12:04pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Ten tonnes of weed is worth $58 million while the same weight of commercial retail tobacco is worth $30 million.
    
    Bang for buck its a no brainer.
    
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    September 25, 2025 1:36pm
Libertarians are right

Stuff with an article about how J D Vance called a dipshit a dipshit. Seriously.

Vance said that attacks on ICE need to stop after a shooter sprayed bullets at an Ice facility in the dark and managed to kill a couple of detainees.

The dipshit then says that ICE personnel weren’t killed so therefore it wasn’t a politically motivated attack on ICE.

Seriously, what a dipshit. The Democrat registered, communist profile shooter who wrote Anti-Ice on one of the bullets wasn’t trying to murder ICE agents? How stupid do you have to be? The guy previously worked for Obama by the way so not a random.
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September 25, 2025 11:48am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Note that I mean the podcaster previously worked for Obama. Not the shooter.
  
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  September 25, 2025 1:03pm
- sirknz
  
  We know everything about the guy now.
  
  The article mentions his parents, their political affiations, his mother’s former employment, his brother, his hobbies, his supposed political affiliations.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/texas-ice-shooting-gunman-identified-as-joshua-jahn-29-kills-migrant-then-himself/7ZTLNLYJ3VDPZAF4TYNITK7VHM/
  
  Complete contrast to when the criminal is not white.
  
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  September 25, 2025 1:16pm
sirknz

Why do people demand more government into their lives?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/government-led-doomsday-planning-supported-by-majority-of-kiwis-shows-otago-university-study/QE2LEU4UXJCAVNBWKOUGM4LBYQ/

Especially when things go tits up, the governemnt is probably the worst entity to try and coordinate anything.
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September 25, 2025 11:58am
grumpy

Did Princess Megan have Dianna’s riding instructor too?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/2112713/prince-archie-princess-lilibet-hair-new-photo
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September 25, 2025 12:16pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The Spencer family have had pale reddish hair for generations.
  
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  September 25, 2025 3:22pm
I remember when

Backflip sees New Plymouth Grey Power urge voters to keep Maori Wards: The Post.
“Grey Power New Plymouth’s new president, Agnes Lehrke has reversed the organisation’s stance.”
“If we are to do our best for our district then we need our Maori peoples’ wisdom and contributing knowledge of the whole area, seas and mountain – as well as our people.
The Maori people have that knowledge very well refined, so why wouldn’t we ask them their advice?”
“Lehrke said the 2015 petition was not agreed by all members and brough accusations of racism from Maori Ward supporters.”
“She said some current members might disagree disagree with her call.”
“If people don’t like it and leave Grey Power, so be it.”

Is this Grey Power urging voters or their President?
Should Grey Power even have been involved in 2015 or 2025?
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September 25, 2025 12:21pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Why can’t Maori ratepayers, business people and citizens just stand for election to the Council in the same way as anyone non-Maori?
  They can of course.
  But seemingly they want an easier way in.
  
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  September 25, 2025 12:44pm
  - PurplePen
    
    And there’s nothing stopping any council consulting with the leader or leaders or representatives of any number of community groups and landowners which may or may not be Maori. No need for a legislated Maori representative. And there’s nothing stopping any of the above seeking to be heard by any council.
    
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    September 25, 2025 1:22pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      When the rebuild after the Hawkes Bay floods started, local Iwi demanded that they be consulted.
      After a couple of weeks they got fed up with the consultations and decided not to participate.
      
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      September 25, 2025 2:30pm
    - Paulus
      
      They would only agree to be heard if they get what they want anyway.
      
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      September 25, 2025 2:46pm
      - R
        
        Would only agree…..on condition that they will get what they want. Thus no need for a hearing, and many dollars saved for taxpayer/ratepayer
        
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        September 25, 2025 2:55pm
- NothingLeft
  
  looks like grey power has become yet another organization captured by far left zealots far removed from the interests of their consistency, as is common modus operandi for far left zealots.
  
  …the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity -Yeats
  
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  September 25, 2025 3:39pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Its the Awfl’s
    Affluent White Female Liberal
    There are a lot of them around.
    
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    September 25, 2025 3:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Time for Trump to cut USA funds to the UN?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360834759/not-one-not-two-three-very-sinister-events-trump-rages-un-escalator-malfunction
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September 25, 2025 1:00pm
- kowtow
  
  Ian Fleming .
  
  Once is an accident , twice a co incidence , 3 times is enemy action.
  
  Or something like that .
  
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  September 25, 2025 3:27pm
Sparrow

Wish to thank the eight up ticks I recieved yesterday.
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September 25, 2025 1:20pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Sparrow, actual replies are far more valuable than ticks, i’ll give you an uptick as well though…
  
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  September 25, 2025 2:33pm
Swifty

It can’t be much of a climate crisis, as the Greens claim, when their leader flew business class to London return recently.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/574094/government-reopens-oil-and-gas-exploration-nationwide-greens-decry-climate-fire

Unless Chloe and the Greens are massive stinking hypocrites that is.
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September 25, 2025 1:59pm
- mandk
  
  Swifty, you have been told: Four legs good, two legs better!
  
  Now get back to work so the Greens can tax you more to fund their privileges.
  
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  September 25, 2025 2:44pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Climate criminal
  
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  September 25, 2025 8:01pm
Hugh Jarse

Where Hipkins ? – busy discussing future strikes with the public sector unions ?
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September 25, 2025 2:04pm
- mandk
  
  Nah, too busy planning the imposition of new taxes for no particular purpose.
  
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  September 25, 2025 2:41pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    The tax is the purpose.
    
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    September 25, 2025 3:34pm
Ghost

Tucker starts his series on September 11th

A former FBI agent who was embedded in the CIA’s Bin Laden unit, Mark Rossini, claims the CIA was fully aware that the 9/11 hijackers were in the United States planning an attack. Rather than inform the FBI, the CIA tried to recruit two of the hijackers for a “false-flag” operation, which quickly spiraled out of control. The failed mission raises urgent questions about government secrecy, intelligence failures, and what really happened before 9/11.

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September 25, 2025 2:15pm
Sir Henry Morgan

Another immigrant in the news for the usual – i.e. enslaving fellow immigrants, gaming the immigration system, not paying taxes, etc. Will he be deported? Of course not. . . That would be a breach of his tikanga or something.

You have to wonder why New Zealand lets these people in. Apparently we’re short of doctors and nurses or whatever, but are we this desperate for imams?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/migrant-exploitation-southland-farmer-and-former-imam-reza-abdul-jabbar-loses-appeal-over-215k-penalties/IIK64D5Q5FGPTHHWEBBTLAAJ7I/
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September 25, 2025 2:34pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  He was on Country Calendar a few years back and held up as a model citizen.
  
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  September 25, 2025 3:18pm
rouppe

This is an interesting development.
A hard Left gun club is actively recruiting on Georgetown campus. The John Brown Gun Club promote themselves as “the only political group that celebrates when Nazi’s die”. Prominent on the flyer is the same catch phrase that Tyler Robinson used.

Members of the organization frequently show up armed at left-wing political events under the guise of protecting protesters from right-wing counter-protesters, and the gun club is tied to recent anti-ICE violence.

Oh… Right… So I wonder if the “peace keeper” that shot and killed sometime was a member of this group, that the Center for Counter Extremism has listed as a “far-left group.”

On July 4, a dozen people attacked the Prairieland Detention Center in Alvarado, Texas.

Some of the suspects in that case are accused of setting off fireworks and graffiting ICE vehicles with slogans like “ICE Pig” in order to lure unarmed agents into a parking lot. At around the same time, more suspects allegedly opened fire from a nearby tree line, striking a local police officer and injuring him.

An ambush in other words.
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September 25, 2025 4:00pm
kiwi_chileno

Ardern is haunting the UN this week. She’s meeting her fellow traveller, Chile’s President Boric, hipster socialist and Allende impersonator. They can swap tips on how to destroy countries.

Boric is attending a UN side-event, In Defence of Democracy, Fighting Extremism (combating inequality, misinformation, and extremism), co-founded by Brazil’s Lula and Spain’s socialist PM. Presumably Ardern is also attending for the Christchurch Call Foundation.
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September 25, 2025 4:07pm
Nikola Donatello

This is another example of a poorly conceived government job advertisement. It is a highly paid role at the Ministry of Education.

This is an unbroken single paragraph.

“The Principal Advisor, Office of the Hautū, provides executive-level strategic advice and support to the Hautū that is specifically focused in relation to our Ministers’ priorities and the Māori Education Action Plan. The role also supports the business planning and reporting for Te Pou Taurongo and the wider management as required. It provides advice, tools and training and development that strengthens our evidence-based analysis and advice across all workstreams. This role is responsible for supporting the Director to review business practices to ensure efficient and effective management contributing to an effective and focused environment. This ensures the requirements of the Hautū are met and carried out effectively and efficiently to a high standard, enabling the Hautū to provide leadership to the business group and across the organisation.”

https://www.seek.co.nz/job/87182971?type=standard&ref=search-standalone#sol=3eeb06bb75c3d99e27a42b1becfe18b3cfe6d87f

Come on. How was that allowed to be published?
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September 25, 2025 4:59pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  What on earth is a “How To”? More important, I wonder what one of these costs taxpayers?
  
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  September 25, 2025 10:45pm
Swifty

My dream girl in full flight:

https://x.com/bruceunfiltered/status/1970807428775121205?s=46

God she was good.

I can only speculate as to what she would think of Starmer – but the words ‘weak’ and ‘feeble’ spring to mind.
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September 25, 2025 5:52pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  You need better quality dreams, Swifty!
  
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  September 25, 2025 8:05pm
Ghost

Political survey tonight, two of the questions, first is a bit weird for a nz political poll….

If there were a war that involved New Zealand, would you be willing to fight for your country?

Even if you think both are at fault are your sympathies more with Hamas or more with Israel?
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- RdM
  
  “Political survey tonight, two of the questions, first is a bit weird for a nz political poll…. ”
  
  “If there were a war that involved New Zealand, would you be willing to fight for your country?”
  
  I seem to recall the China CCP asking this of their young men
  (and culling those who voted no?)
  
  It’s obviously been a question in many countries.
  Who is behind it?
  
  https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?q=would+you+be+willing+to+fight+for+your+country
  
  https://www.startpage.com/sp/search?query=China+would+you+be+willing+to+fight+for+your+country
  
  https://x.com/stats_feed/status/1959344643272753300
  
  And so on.
  
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  September 26, 2025 9:21pm

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