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kowtow

A tragic anniversary for the Israeli hostages and their families , but our media are talking about a Swedish attention seeker . Giving the terrorists all the moral support they wanted from the flotilla which the Herald describes as “humanitarian” , but correctly is a barely disguised front for Hamas.
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October 7, 2025 8:05am
- R
  
  ‘humanitarian’…… the Herald has for some year’s now, had difficulty reporting accurately on non sport matters; and even with sport they sometimes have difficulty with factual accuracy
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:38am
peterwn

There have been two drink drive cases in recent days – involving a police officer and a prominent sportsman. In both cases they were double over the limit and both asked for discharges without conviction.
A community magistrate quite rightfully refused to discharge without conviction but was overturned on appeal by a High Court Judge. The main thrust was that police officer faced possible dismissal if convicted of a drink drive, but this remains a possibility despite being charged. This stinks, he was discharged because he is a police officer, it is likely someone else would have been convicted.
A District Court Judge refused to give a discharge without conviction nor grant name suppression in the case of the sportsman. She note the offender took a chance driving home under the influence (but was a victim of Murphy’s Law). The Judge explained very carefully why she was refusing a discharge, she wanted to close off any loopholes in case of any appeal (which seems likely).
Drink drive is no joke and the courts should not be letting people off just because their lawyers play the violin well.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/bop-cop-harrison-rickard-simms-busted-drink-driving-appeals-conviction/MDS7J7IMZNCLXGRODTCQRQQLTE/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/elite-bay-of-plenty-sportsman-denied-discharge-without-conviction-for-drink-driving/GNJCMYRTEBDVFBSKNH7ARNXKVM/
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October 7, 2025 8:07am
- sirknz
  
  Nobody is above the law.
  
  Except for sports ball players who might be able to play above club level, police officers, left leaning MPs, the children of prominent ministers, high ranking public officials, people from wealthy families, Vietnamese diplomats, and anybody connected to a certain John who was a former minister.
  
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  October 7, 2025 8:12am
- Colville
  
  peterwn.
  Would a nobody be convicted though?
  My brother had a couple heinys too many and got pinged (towing a trailer with only one tail light!) and he didnt get a conviction, said he had daughter in Aussie and wanted to be able to travel to see her. A bit of a fine and a stand down from driving and dont do it again from the J.
  
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  October 7, 2025 1:13pm
sirknz

Does anybody care to place a bet on the people involved in taking the money and their family names?

Bonus points if you can guess the average English speaking ability of the people paying the money for their NZ driver’s license.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360844962/hundreds-must-resit-driver-licences-after-testing-officers-allegedly-took-cash-passes

Remember, NZ always score so well on the Perception of Corruption index…
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October 7, 2025 8:07am
- Colville
  
  Of the 300 involved I would bet that 100 of them are Singh’s.
  
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  October 7, 2025 1:14pm
  - kiwimike
    
    Colville
    
    this is the risk of Immigration.
    them bringing their culture and mores with them !!
    
    Communists.
    Islam.
    Hindu.
    Came to mind and I would think we should make sure they qualify on values, Mores and cultural fit.
    
    Remembering No culture is perfect but many aren’t like Western culture at all, some are anathema to it.
    Sharia Law comes to mind.
    
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    October 8, 2025 7:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Ani O’Brien on our dire journalism:

Every fresh crop of reporters from Auckland, Massey, or Canterbury’s media studies programmes are taught the same catechism: you are not just observers, you are educators. They are told their job is not merely to report, but to uplift, explain, and “contextualise.” The result is that they firmly believe it is their duty to guide the public toward the “correct” conclusions.

The truth is, the people shaping New Zealand’s newsrooms are no longer reporters, they’re missionaries. They’ve confused journalism with activism. They genuinely believe their role is to civilise the unenlightened.

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/10/ani-obrien-media-missionaries.html#more
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October 7, 2025 8:09am
- kowtow
  
  By always seeking to elicit an emotional response to their reporting , they are literally propagandists .
  
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  October 7, 2025 8:23am
- Scott
  
  Quite right Maggy. I would add that the media see everything in terms of a narrative and everything has to be reported through the lens of the narrative.
  
  So for example the narrative throughout the mainstream media of the world including NZ is:
  
  -Donald Trump is a horrible person and totally unfit to be president of the United States. This meant that Trump gets no credit for anything in the NZ media, to this day.
  
  The media’s narratives also include:
  
  -Jacinda is a wonderful person and saved us from covid.
  – the world is going to end because of climate change unless we get rid of all fossil fuels.
  – you can be born in the wrong sex and therefore gender affirming care is totally appropriate.
  
  There are many more examples of media narratives. The journalism schools aim to produce graduates who are totally committed to that way of seeing the world.
  
  Meanwhile the rest of us turn off the mainstream media and actively work to avoid them.
  
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  October 7, 2025 8:24am
- Colinxy
  
  More formally they are taught Critical Media Theory, which is part of Critical Theory. And Critical Theory is Western Marxism.
  
  https://nominister.wordpress.com/2025/10/02/critical-media-theory-the-ideological-architecture-of-narrative-control/
  
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  October 7, 2025 8:27am
  - Philview
    
    Colin,
    I have just read your treatise and the thing that strikes me is that it took very clever minds to put that media architecture in place. Do you have any thoughts on who was behind it?
    
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    October 7, 2025 1:28pm
    - Colinxy
      
      Ignoring the Frankfurt school, Antonio Gramsci, and the poststructuralists, the key people behind Critical Media Theory were Marshall McLuhan and Stuart Hall. There were others, of course, like Pierre Bourdieu, Nancy Frazer and so forth.
      
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      October 7, 2025 3:13pm
- Notsofast
  
  Rising star.
  
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  October 7, 2025 8:45am
- R
  
  ‘the unenlighted’……unfortunately for the student journalists, they are being tutored by unenlightened ideologically driven tutors
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:06am
- Philview
  
  I rate Ani as one of the best written journalists in the country and I am not entirely sure she has had formal training. Does she have a media job other than her Substack?
  
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  October 7, 2025 10:52am
- Colville
  
  who said it?
  (to paraphrase)
  “No matter what we do or say we cant get these thick voters to see it our way?”
  
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  October 7, 2025 1:18pm
  - Christopher Thomson
    
    That Bradford girl.
    
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    October 7, 2025 8:52pm
Skippytony

How is this OK?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/maori-kiwifruit-growers-launch-uae-export-partnership-with-zespri-and-mr-apple/TJFK757CPNCZLLRPQAA6JDQRA4/
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October 7, 2025 8:31am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Why wouldn’t it be?
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:39am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I wonder if the Maori Queen made a speech in Te Reo to the UAE representatives, or if business was conducted in English.
  
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  October 7, 2025 10:59am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    If you’re selling, you speak in their preferred language. If you’re buying, they’ll speak in yours.
    
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    October 7, 2025 11:37am
  - R
    
    It would have been Te Reo of course, as Te Reo is a world widely understood language. That is why it being forced upon all NZ school children, and is a requirement for University studied courses in preparation for siad students to take their place in the world
    
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    October 7, 2025 11:52am
  - pdm
    
    Maybe Arabic with a series of translators to get it to Te Reo/Manglish Maggy.
    
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    October 7, 2025 12:37pm
Gravelroad

Just wanted to acknowledge the recent passing of three high achieving Dames:
Dame Jane Goodall, of the gorilla protection fame.
The “Bucket Woman” Dame Patricia Routledge.
And yesterday “Super, darling” Dame Jilly Cooper.
The women young and old here greatly admired author and journalist Jilly Cooper, and read all her books – especially the horse riding themed.
Rupert lives on.
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October 7, 2025 8:31am
- mandk
  
  I mourn for Dame Patricia.
  
  She was best known as Hyacinth Bucket, but she was an extraordinarily good actor in a range of roles.
  
  If you only have the time to watch her in one performance, watch her in Alan Bennett’s “A woman of no importance”. It was truly masterful.
  
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  October 7, 2025 8:53am
- KH
  
  Jolly Cooper wrote terrible books.
  I loved every word of them.
  Her one liner wisecracks could make you fall out of your chair with laughing.
  Try “Rivals” the faithful TV adaption. Relatively new, but for a while I thought it could have been made in the 70s.
  Terrific amount of bonking, but unfortunately tv can never stage the joke as well as Jilly did.
  RIP
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:00am
  - mogg
    
    Yes she was great at sarcasm targeting the Middle Class social climbers, that’s why the critics hated her.
    
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    October 7, 2025 12:47pm
Southern Raider

Winston just gets better

The three useful idiots are being deported to Jordan from Israel and Winston has made it clear they need to find their own way home and at their own expense
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October 7, 2025 8:47am
- RoboRob
  
  As they should. The intentionally got arrested, when given the choice of being let free or detained, they chose detention. Its all about a media narrative. Sadly crazy rich sponsors will pay their costs.
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:13am
  - imalwaysright
    
    The father of one of them took part in damaging the Waihopai spy base a few years ago.
    
    He bragged to Plunket on the Platform yesterday that the cost of the damage was $1,200,000, so it looks like they are used to others picking up the tab.
    
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    October 7, 2025 9:38am
    - kowtow
      
      I could be wrong but that extremist father said what Hamas is doing is “asymetric warfare’.
      I get the feeling that these activists , including those people in the Hamas ( not humanitarian) fleet may see themselves as also engaged in “asymetric warfare”.
      
      Note well how so may of these people also literally dress up as terrorists , what with wearing those scarves , to make themselves look like they are members of the terrorist PLO.
      
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      October 7, 2025 9:59am
    - kiwimike
      
      what a [Mod – deleted]
      I suppose he knew that figure before he started the operation.
      
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      October 8, 2025 7:19pm
  - R
    
    Rich ideologically deluded sponsors!.
    
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    October 7, 2025 9:42am
    - Christopher Thomson
      
      They have the luxury of being protected from the consequnces of their ideology.
      
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      October 7, 2025 10:21am
  - PurplePen
    
    Yes. It’s not as if our government paid for them to get to the Mediterranean. All that might be required is assistance to get them out of whatever trouble they might still be in to a safe place in the Mediterranean somewhere. They’re then back where they started and can carry on under their own steam.
    
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    October 7, 2025 1:30pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    They’re going to have ‘deported’ stamped into their passports, which will impede future travel.
    
    Consequences, darlings.
    
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    October 7, 2025 6:48pm
- rouppe
  
  As a direct result of what’s happening outside his house, I’m sure.
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:16am
- rangitoto
  
  Camels aren’t too expensive to hire in Jordan.
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:22am
  - R
    
    Camels……..and they aren’t powered by fossil fuels. Ideal transport for deluded greenies
    
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    October 7, 2025 9:44am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Ride down to Wadi Rum and across the Nefu lie El Aurenz did and arrive at Aqaba,
    
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    October 7, 2025 11:51am
- cas
  
  I wonder who paid for them to go over, especially the 18 year old.
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:42am
- Mod88
  
  Acacia O’Connor can pay from her personal Bank Account where the Give-a-little money was paid to for the (non-existant) Aid on the “Flotilla” captained by Green Thug Brat.
  
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  October 7, 2025 12:11pm
- artemisia
  
  Foreign Minister Winston Peter against taxpayer money funding return for detained Gaza activists – Herald this morning.
  
  Smart rejoinder from Mr Peters, taxpayers not paying “whether it’s first class like Chloe or not”.
  
  What can Chloe say? No no no it was only business class?
  
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  October 7, 2025 1:14pm
  - Colville
    
    explaining is losing.
    
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    October 7, 2025 1:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Auckland Uni made about $14 Million in fees from its compulsory Treaty course.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2025/10/06/compulsory-treaty-courses-tip-of-the-iceberg/
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October 7, 2025 8:53am
- mandk
  
  The university should be prosecuted for extortion and be required to refund the fees it took.
  
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  October 7, 2025 8:58am
  - pdm
    
    Last week I saw/heard ACT saying the fees should be refunded.
    
    I bet we don’t hear a whisper from National or NZFirst.
    
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    October 7, 2025 10:57am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh woops….
  
  It wasn’t a Treaty Course…. it was a compulsory Waipapa Taumata Rau Course.
  
  These are precisely the kinds of arguments used by Act and its associates in recent media and billboard attacks on the University of Auckland over its Waipapa Taumata Rau courses, misrepresented as ‘Treaty courses’.
  
  https://newsroom.co.nz/2025/10/07/anne-salmond-academic-freedom-and-its-enemies/
  
  I do hope that’s as clear as mud now.
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:07am
  - James Stephenson
    
    “Wah wah wah, academic freedom under threat” – Anne Salmond.
    
    Strangely, I don’t recall her saying anything when Don Brash was invited by students to speak to the Massey University politics club but the University chose to cancel him.
    
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    October 7, 2025 10:29am
    - Swifty
      
      “Wah wah wah, academic freedom under threat” – Anne Salmond.
      
      Good, because those freedoms are being abused.
      
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      October 7, 2025 12:12pm
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Yep, and do you remember when Anne Salmond sprang to the defence of the Listener Seven, and their right to academic freedom?
      
      No, I don’t either.
      
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      October 7, 2025 12:51pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yes, an excellent point.
        
        Nothing but crickets.
        
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        October 7, 2025 1:21pm
- Notsofast
  
  Parmjeet Parmar’s figures are double that.
  14 million from the students and the same from the taxpayer.
  Thinking about greater academic scandals in our history and drawing a blank.
  A deat heat between being very expensive and very bad, a text book cunning fractional maori grift and downright theft.
  
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  October 7, 2025 11:11am
  - MCōs
    
    Does this qualify as some sort of academic scandal or just P² changing principles when it suits
    https://x.com/mcdonaldginette/status/1973287758446862387?s=61
    
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    October 7, 2025 11:49am
Maggy Wassilieff

(Alleged) Burglar arrested

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/575175/man-arrested-after-window-smashed-at-winston-peters-home
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October 7, 2025 8:55am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  Just wait for the demand that the person be discharged without conviction. It will be the same arguments as the person who who assaulted Kellie Jay Keen three years ago.
  
  The person if convicted is only going to get community service. However he or she will find that having a criminal record for breaking and entering or criminal damage comes with a real cost.
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:02am
  - peterwn
    
    He was just the fall guy. He would have been incited by others who then melt away.
    
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    October 7, 2025 9:12am
    - rouppe
      
      A conviction is still a useful lesson that others who may be influenced can learn from.
      
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      October 7, 2025 9:18am
      - R
        
        These people are usually a bit short on learning skills.
        
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        October 7, 2025 9:47am
  - Swifty
    
    A good mate lives across the road from Winston, he’s texted me this morning saying the weapon was a crowbar not a rock as has been reported.
    
    It all sounds very intentional, hard to argue a rush of blood to the head and bent down to pick up a rock.
    
    And then there’s the note.
    
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    October 7, 2025 9:43am
    - Mod88
      
      So it’s Armed Trespass then, not Burglary.
      
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      October 7, 2025 12:13pm
- MCōs
  
  Someone smashed one of our windows in the dead of night with a (Tuis) beer bottle about 7-8yrs ago.
  I was away at the time.
  My wife was here with her young niece from Thailand, who went outside and saw someone running down the street!
  We rang the police, but they never came round.
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:38am
  - Ghost
    
    Someone spray painted our fence when we lived in Auckland. Neighbour’s who owned a lot of properties went down the road to the house the graffiti ‘artists’ lived in, told them if they ever touched another property in the street he’d be back with his gun. Strangely they moved out and there were never any more problems in the street.
    
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    October 7, 2025 9:45am
    - R
      
      Cowards don’t like the prospect of the ‘Cold steel up im’
      
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      October 7, 2025 9:49am
    - MCōs
      
      I was talking to a tailor in Onehunga and over his shoulder I noticed a picture on the wall of a bunch of mean looking dudes in tuxedos.
      I asked him if they were the mafia.
      He said he’d made the clothes for a local gang and they told him to let them know if he any ‘problems’ with local hoons and they’d sort them out.
      
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      October 7, 2025 10:17am
      - ISeeRed
        
        Why would they offer? Who would want “help” from a gang? I doubt no strings were attached.
        
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        October 7, 2025 2:08pm
      - Ghost
        
        Before the hoarder moved in next door, there was a gang family living there. They were a nice couple, had kids. Always sticking their head over to talk. Far better neighbour’s than the hoarder.
        
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        October 7, 2025 2:19pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Last week an Israel born New Zealander was dropped by her team as a council candidate because of threats from people citing the Palestinian situation.
  
  Now we have Winston being threatened for presumably similar reasons.
  
  Are the Greens responsible for inciting these threats ?
  Have they at least emboldened these people ?
  
  If it were the Greens being threatened I’m sure we would be in no doubt where they would lay the blame.
  
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  October 7, 2025 10:57am
- pdm
  
  Maggy – attempted burglary or attempted home invasion?
  
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  October 7, 2025 10:58am
Nikola Donatello

What did they expect?

https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2025/10/06/whanau-of-three-kiwi-detained-in-israel-speak-out-in-emotional-address/

These folk entered a war zone patrolled by the Israeli Defence Force. They knew that they would be intercepted and arrested.🙄
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October 7, 2025 8:59am
- KH
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  True New Zealanders standing up against murder in Gaza.
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:04am
  - RoboRob
    
    Crazy hard left activists seeking attention and purposely choosing to be detained. A useful media portraying the situation to make them appear like the martyrs they desire to be.
    
    You can fight / protest against Israel without putting yourself and many others in physical danger. The father of one was apparently one of the guys who damaged the Waihopai five eyes base years ago.
    
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    October 7, 2025 9:18am
    - R
      
      Another child with poor parental mentoring
      
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      October 7, 2025 9:50am
      - kiwimike
        
        Yes, the Father is a hypocrite, so the son likely is too.
        When he damaged $1,200,000 of state property with 2 others, he claimed legal aid.
        
        I don’t think he mentioned the Bach on the Kapiti.
        
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        October 8, 2025 7:25pm
  - Yabster
    
    ffs – they are just doing it for the attention- no aid, no idea- get a grip mate.
    
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    October 7, 2025 10:11am
  - Waipuk
    
    What about Syria, Nigeria, Yemen, Sudan, Myanmar, Somalia just to mention a few.
    
    What the difference? Is it because Jews are involved. The favour of the month, being with the in crowd, you get to wear the pretty scarfs, virtual signing. ???
    
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    October 7, 2025 10:42am
    - pdm
      
      [Mod – use a persons proper name. Post deleted]
      
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      October 7, 2025 12:43pm
  - RichardF
    
    Why stop at Gaza? Why not stand up for murder everywhere, like Ukraine, Sudan, and the Congo?
    
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    October 7, 2025 4:11pm
  - Fender
    
    But they didn’t go to the Ukraine?, oh the ihumanity
    
    Be a shame if they had passport customs issues on returning from an anonymous tipoff
    
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    October 7, 2025 6:31pm
- R
  
  For ideologically deluded activists, any publicity is an achievement for the cause
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:09am
- rouppe
  
  Is not just a war zone. There has been a blockade for decades now. It’s no different to the land blockade.
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:23am
- kowtow
  
  One of them cameto NZ with “refugee” status .
  
  Why would a “refugee” willingly return to a war zone .
  
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  October 7, 2025 10:10am
- AitchW
  
  More than that, they were counting on being intercepted and detained by the IDF.
  The very last thing they wanted was to land in Gaza.
  With no aid.
  
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  October 7, 2025 11:49am
Rusty

MP for Auck central Chloe Swarbrick responded to the homeless/ anti-social epidemic on Queen St/ city– it’s the govts fault!
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October 7, 2025 9:21am
- imalwaysright
  
  If well dressed people of means behaved like the homeless people the Police would arrest them.
  
  Why don’t they arrest the homeless?
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:48am
  - MCōs
    
    What happens if they arrest them?
    Charge them with something and either provide them with accommodation or turn them back out into the street?
    
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    October 7, 2025 12:00pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      I don’t care what happens to them.
      
      NZ is a big place, there is plenty of room for them to be homeless that isn’t in front of businesses that rely on customers, and where they can indulge in offensive behaviour without scaring and offending women and children who want to use the streets.
      
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      October 7, 2025 12:52pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      Well, the ones with accents can be deported. One approached me yesterday asking for some coins when I was walking down Queen Street with a friend. If you have an accent and are begging on a New Zealand street, you don’t benefit New Zealand in any way. Back to your own country. They can look after you.
      
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      October 7, 2025 2:12pm
  - Ghost
    
    They get arrested, but what is that going to accomplish? They will just end back on the street. They need help. Help with their demons, help with any abuse of alcohol or drugs, help with what put them on the street, help with trauma, mental health issues. Help to break the pattern they are stuck in, etc
    
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    October 7, 2025 12:07pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      They can break their “pattern” in jail.
      
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      October 7, 2025 12:55pm
      - Ghost
        
        No, they don’t. Jail is a break from the street, especially in winter, but it doesn’t offer them the help they need. We don’t need to fill the prisons up with people who really haven’t done anything to be sent to them.
        
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        October 7, 2025 1:01pm
      - Jack5
        
        Could many of these street people have now been in the several psychiatric hospitals closed by popular hostility?
        
        This attitude to mental hospitals was early typified by the film “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”.
        
        Many psychiatric patients in residential care are better off than they would have been in the hospitals of decades ago. However, many others survive in the streets.
        
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        October 7, 2025 10:32pm
    - tavita
      
      There is a guy who regularly lies on the pavement begging for money. I was sitting in the café nearby and I watched him get up and go to a late model MG and drive off. Nice car.
      
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      October 7, 2025 1:42pm
      - sirknz
        
        Plenty of them begging on various approaches to the motorway, does nobody ever look at the beggars’ shoes and notice how new, branded, and clean they are?
        
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        October 7, 2025 4:57pm
    - Taieri
      
      They need help. Help with their demons, help with any abuse of alcohol or drugs, help with what put them on the street, help with trauma, mental health issues.
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      We used to have residential facilities taking care of such people. Facilities known as psychiatric hospitals. For some reason they are out of fashion nowadays.
      
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      October 7, 2025 1:43pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Find a nice big empty paddock. Give them all tents, have a soup kitchen on site so they are fed. And then leave them to it.Queen Street is an embarrassing disgrace. Tourist season is starting and I feel ashamed of our once vibrant, attractive main street. Isn’t vagrancy a crime anymore? There is a beautiful modern hostel next to St Matthew’s in the city but they don’t want to go there because there are rules.
        
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        October 7, 2025 2:57pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yes – thank you Helen Clark.
        
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        October 7, 2025 3:33pm
      - Taieri
        
        Yes – thank you Helen Clark
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        Actually, Clark had very little to do with it, it was Bolger and Shipley.
        
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        October 7, 2025 5:45pm
      - Taieri
        
        Give them all tents, have a soup kitchen on site so they are fed.
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        Would you like it if one of your relatives was in such a state and ended up in an empty paddock? Hypothetically speaking of course…
        
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        October 7, 2025 5:47pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Taieri – yes. Because said person does not end up begging on Queen St without first abusing their family in the many and varied ways that such abusers do – lying, stealing, screaming etc. Such behaviour is why they are homeless, because they have lost the people who previously provided them with homes.
        
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        October 7, 2025 6:54pm
      - Ghost
        
        There are many reasons a person ends up on the street, from being abused themself, being kicked out of home for being gay, etc, yes that still happens from sad pathetic parents. Poverty. To proud, too scared to ask for help. Mental health problems. Addictions. Domestic violence. There is a long list of why people end up homeless.
        
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        October 7, 2025 6:59pm
    - kiwimike
      
      Really Ghost, do they ?
      My observation is the don’t, that they are happy with their lifestyle and just want more dosh to continue it.
      
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      October 8, 2025 7:28pm
rouppe

Many of those from that flotilla that have been arrested and deported have done that more than once. Greta, for example has done this now at least twice if not more.

If they come back, next time they should be jailed for a year in Israel. That might make their sphincters clench.
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October 7, 2025 9:21am
- kowtow
  
  At least two of the NZ passport holders involved have done it more than once .
  
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  October 7, 2025 10:12am
- PurplePen
  
  Or the blockade could check what they’re carrying on their boats, confiscate any weapons etc and send them in their way to greeted and housed by Hamas.
  
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  October 7, 2025 1:34pm
sungsamning

https://nypost.com/2025/10/06/us-news/trump-sending-400-texas-national-guard-troops-to-illinois-as-anti-ice-protests-continue-to-rage-pritzker/
Trump to send 400 Texas National Guard troops to Illinois as anti-ICE protests continue to rage: Pritzker.
President Trump is deploying 400 Texas National Guard troops to Illinois, Oregon, and other states as swarms of anti-ICE protesters continue to clash with federal agents, Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker said Sunday night.

The Democrat blasted Trump’s “invasion” hours after the president mobilized 300 California National Guard members to Portland, where unrest has raged for over 100 consecutive days outside an immigration detention center — a scene that has been playing out in Chicago since September.
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October 7, 2025 9:43am
- MCōs
  
  I saw this fun clip yesterday
  https://x.com/pabloreports/status/1974882303211192750?s=61
  I notice none of the locals are coming to the aid of the ICE operatives
  I’ve also read that some of those alleged ICE operatives are actually bounty hunters and others are dressed up rapists who attempt to abduct women from the streets.
  
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  October 7, 2025 12:11pm
  - MCōs
    
    The two extremely unpopular goons in this clip have no mates they can call on.
    
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    October 7, 2025 12:18pm
  - Manu-Rau
    
    Maybe that’s because the video is faked.
    
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    October 7, 2025 12:31pm
    - sungsamning
      
      Fake news about ICE. What a surprise.
      
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      October 7, 2025 4:11pm
sungsamning

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/10/pope-leo-offers-another-jibe-trump-deportations-urges/
Pope Leo Offers Another Jibe at Trump Over Deportations — Urges Catholics to Embrace Open Borders Under ‘New Missionary Age’
Pope Leo XIV continues to make thinly veiled jibes against the Trump administration’s stance against illegal immigration.

Speaking in front of thousands of pilgrims at St. Peter’s Square on Sunday, Leo warned that migrants must not be treated with “the coldness of indifference or the stigma of discrimination.”

Without singling out any country in particular, Leo said that Catholics should “open our arms and hearts to them, welcoming them as brothers and sisters, and being for them a presence of consolation and hope.”
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October 7, 2025 9:43am
- R
  
  Churches should stay out of politics; then their flocks may stop shrinking in number.
  
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  October 7, 2025 9:53am
  - MCōs
    
    Tell that to Bishop Brian.
    
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    October 7, 2025 12:19pm
  - sungsamning
    
    That’s not what killed mainstream churches. They threw the doctrine out the window, and the parishoners went out the door.
    
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    October 7, 2025 4:12pm
    - MCōs
      
      I used to go to Catholic schools and I distinctly remember in Christian Doctrine class one of the boys asked a question on church dogma for which the priest taking the class had no answer.
      He said we had to take it on faith.
      That reliance on blind doctrine doesn’t cut the mustard anymore the more advanced a society becomes
      
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      October 7, 2025 7:12pm
- igm
  
  This woke Pope is riding for a fall . . . Italians for starters do not want islam there, nor does any other nation with decent leadership.
  
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  October 7, 2025 10:06am
  - Paulus
    
    But but but is the new Pope not an American, if so the fun will begin.
    
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    October 7, 2025 11:47am
  - MCōs
    
    He’s Pope for life. That’s the way the system works
    The Catholic Church isn’t a democracy. The choice of Pope is inspired by God and that’s the end of the matter
    
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    October 7, 2025 3:49pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      The general unwritten rule is that a new pope takes a year to settle in, without disrupting anything set up by his predecessor, unless it is really egregious. Pope Francis was a poor pope. Pope Leo is a cautious man, but I think that there will be a few changes over the next year or two to reverse the errors of Francis, and maintain the things that weren’t contentious.
      
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      October 7, 2025 4:35pm
- Christopher Thomson
  
  Bet he would STFU real quick if they were handed over to the Vatican city to be housed there.
  
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  October 7, 2025 10:26am
- imalwaysright
  
  Ironically Leo lives in a compound surrounded by a wall that is protected by armed Swiss Guards, and that is on top of being surrounded by Italy !
  
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  October 7, 2025 10:27am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Here is Leo blessing a block of ice in support of the Climate Cult.
    
    https://youtu.be/UUnngkHkHEI?si=a6y55tqxL2hRQiMM
    
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    October 7, 2025 11:12am
- mandk
  
  I think the Pope is forgetting that the Great Commission (Matt 28:18) starts: “Go, therefore …”
  
  Catholics who are concerned about the spiritual and physical wellbeing of migrants entering the USA illegally should travel to the migrants’ countries of origin to provide succour there.
  
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  October 7, 2025 11:03am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Most Catholics in the USA are against illegal migrants invading their country.
    
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    October 7, 2025 12:04pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      I see 5 don’t agree with me. You may also be surprised, then, that the vast majority of Catholics in the US voted for Trump. 🙂
      
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      October 7, 2025 1:08pm
      - MCōs
        
        Here’s the results of an exit poll. As you can see that similar to all religions there are all classifications of Catholics
        https://prri.org/spotlight/religion-and-the-2024-presidential-election/
        
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        October 7, 2025 3:53pm
    - mandk
      
      Evidently, their leader, an American Catholic, is not.
      
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      October 7, 2025 1:40pm
- rouppe
  
  Should be plenty of room in Vatican City
  
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  October 7, 2025 12:33pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Don’t think so – it’s not a very big place.
    It only covers about 50 hectares.
    
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    October 7, 2025 1:09pm
    - rouppe
      
      A lot of Palestinians can fit into 50 hectares…
      
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      October 7, 2025 3:41pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Not when there are already a few thousand people already there.
        
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        October 7, 2025 4:40pm
Gary Benner

InternetNZ showing it’s colours in the latest Board Meeting announcement:

The agenda for the Board meeting includes:
Strategy 2026/31
Te Korowai ō Ipurangi Aotearoa – InternetNZ’s Te Tiriti o Waitangi statement
Ngā Uara – Our guiding values.

Personally I would have thought:
Strategy 2026/31
Cybersecurity and Data Privacy
Digital Inclusion and Access
Content Moderation and Misinformation
AI and Emerging Tech Regulation

All meaty stuff, but apparently a little too challenging for the cultural marxists heading this organisation.

We saw the ITP recently fail under the “go woke, go broke” banner – I just hope InternetNZ does not suffer the same fate.
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October 7, 2025 10:03am
- Philview
  
  It is concerning that such an organisation could be ideologically captured. This doesn’t come out of nowhere. There is a level of strategic planning that targets the critical organisations.
  
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  October 7, 2025 11:12am
- Inandout
  
  GB, when Luxon folded over Seymour’s Bill and refused to even recognise it the Maori onslaught started. It was like giving a teenager permission to use the parent’s house to party like crazy. Sorry PM, you have opened the can of worms.
  
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  October 7, 2025 12:28pm
  - Ghost
    
    Luxon, national and nz first all stated before the election they would not support the bill. Also this has zero to do with the government, but just to make it clear, InternetNZ incorporated the Treaty of Waitangi into its framework in 2020.
    
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    October 7, 2025 12:32pm
nigel2010

so about yesterday’s fire arms incident at Flat Bush it turns out the accomodation is the Salvation Army’s rehabilitation area for drug and alcohol addicts, how on earth did this get consented when it is next to a Daycare centre, a temple and a Primary school?
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October 7, 2025 10:09am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  The land has been owned by the Sallies forever nigel. They always had the idea that it would become a “community village”, whatever that means. It happened about 8 or so years ago I think. It also incorporates (of course) Maori ways of knowing, principles of guardianship and other Maori bollocks. So they’d have been able to get anything through the RMA, though I am not sure it was initially envisaged as having a druggie rehabilitation centre.
  
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  October 7, 2025 11:06am
  - pdm
    
    A more pertinent question is:
    
    How did someone with a gun and ammunition for it get in there?
    
    Be they resident or visitor.
    
    Or was there a fracas on the street and the gunperson ran up the nearest driveway?
    
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    October 7, 2025 12:49pm
    - nigel2010
      
      i live nearby and this accommodation is all open, it’s not a closed and gated block and the people there are free to come and go as they please so it is easy to get anything in including guns drugs and any other illicit item, since this place was built hardly a weekend goes by without the police helicopter up and sirens till the wee hrs of the morning
      
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      October 7, 2025 2:47pm
    - MCōs
      
      “How did someone with a gun and ammunition for it get in there?”
      Through his front door
      
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      October 7, 2025 4:05pm
- MCōs
  
  It’s Salvation Army Kaitiakitanga Social Housing (SASH), with new tenants from the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) Public Housing Register.
  Similar to state houses, but owned by the Salvation Army, I would suggest.
  
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  October 7, 2025 4:04pm
imalwaysright

A scumbag coward punches an innocent man.

The prosecution asks for a 10 year sentence.
The defence asks for a 5 year sentence.

The judge gives him 4 years 2 months. (Who needs a defence lawyer!)

He killed someone and will get out of jail in a couple of years.
https://share.google/OJZiXVQpI4NgVi9im
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October 7, 2025 12:40pm
- rouppe
  
  I read that as well.
  
  Discount for this, that and the next thing, totalling 40%
  
  The judge talks about aggravating factors, taking the video, taunting the victim, leaving the scene, but do they add any time for these aggravating factors? Noooooo. Not a day.
  
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  October 7, 2025 3:51pm
mogg

Thanks for the cost of living crisis, thanks for 12% food inflation, thanks for the added $66 Billion plus debt.
Together with his payoff Orr got more than a $million for his last year in office.
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October 7, 2025 12:51pm
Ghost

Foreign Minister Winston Peters is not planning on spending taxpayer money to bring Kiwis home from Israel after they were detained when a Gaza aid flotilla was intercepted.

Article

Times like this you just need Nelson
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October 7, 2025 12:52pm
- Swifty
  
  Good.
  
  Let their supporters have a whip around.
  
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  October 7, 2025 1:15pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep, And make them pay travel insurance.
    As the Greenies appear well versed such matters.//
    
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    October 7, 2025 1:45pm
Ghost

Government has released their priorities for the final quarter

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/575209/the-33-things-the-government-plans-to-do-before-the-end-of-year
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October 7, 2025 12:57pm
Swifty

There is a claim that the reason Mariameno Kapa-Kingi was demoted as TPM whip is that she overspent, by $200k, her election budget and that a great chunk of that went to her son Eru:

https://x.com/aniobrien/status/1975121620059795732?s=46
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October 7, 2025 12:58pm
- Ghost
  
  He’s funny, is he a comedian? I especially liked his joke, it will come out in their yearly financials.
  
  Future Billy T James winner there
  
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  October 7, 2025 1:06pm
  - Swifty
    
    Yeah, something seems a bit fishy about it – $200k would be a hell of a lot of money for TPM and it all would have come out in the election spending returns.
    
    I’m withholding judgement until further corroboration.
    
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    October 7, 2025 1:14pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Since when has TPM done accurate accounting?
      
      https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/law-regulation/te-pati-maori-files-overdue-accounts-with-missing-data
      
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      October 7, 2025 3:49pm
- AitchW
  
  Wow, if that’s true surely the SFO will be involved?
  
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  October 7, 2025 2:27pm
  - sirknz
    
    Like they were at the Manurewa Marae?
    
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    October 7, 2025 5:07pm
trout

Senator John Kennedy describes some of the Democrats demands before the Dems agree to ending the shutdown:
‘The lawmaker listed out nearly $20 million in foreign aid funding that he alleged Democrats had their eyes on, including, $4.2 million for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and intersex people in the Western Balkans and Uganda, $3.6 million for pastry cooking classes and dance focus groups for male prostitutes in Haiti, $6 million dollars for media organizations for the Palestinians and $3 million for circumcisions and vasectomies in Zambia.’
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October 7, 2025 1:00pm
PeterTrentham

Happy 2nd FAFO Anniversary Hamas.
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October 7, 2025 1:08pm
Swifty

Denmark’s experience with Palestinian refugees, apparently:

https://x.com/kiwistreamnz/status/1975273687315325195?s=46
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October 7, 2025 1:28pm
Jack5

Slavery hype test for new Anglican chief

Will Anglicans’ new international chief, Sarah Mullaly, hold the church on a course to paying heavy reparations over slavery? An eminent group of British scholars dispute grounds for the payments in what is called “Project Spire.”

Appointment of Mullaly as first female Archbishop of Canterbury gives the church a chance to review the plan to pay initially one hundred million pounds reparations for investment in the eighteenth century.

Behind the payment seems to be the view that profits from slave-powered industries in the West Indies financed Britain’s Industrial Revolution.

Opposing the payment is a group which quotes a leading slavery historian as saying slavery made a trivial contribution to Britain’s prosperity.

Lord Biggar, Professor Emeritus of Moral Theology at Oxford, writes in the Telegraph of church reactions to his group’s opposition: “Church Commissioners of England have so far responded to our reasoned and evidenced criticism, presented in good faith, with probable (if minor) fraud, public defamation, unwarranted evasiveness, tactical silence, and intimidation.”

Church commissioners have accused the group of supplying “disinformation,” which Biggar says amounts to a “defamatory” accusation that the group is lying.

The group, says the Telegraph, comprises: a former Anglican Church’s professorial chair of moral theology, a professor of history at Cambridge, a professor of history at Oxford, a professor of international banking and author of a book on the South Sea Company, a KC and former Old Bailey judge, the Anglo-Indian director of an anti-racist body, and an eminent descendant of African slaves taken to Jamaica.

The historian it quotes in favour of its argument of a “trivial” economic impact on the UK of slavery is David Eltis, of the Emery research university in Georgia, and a visiting professor to Harvard and Oxford. Eltis co-developed two digital resources: SlaveVoyages.org, a database of transatlantic slave voyages, and African-Origins.org, which seeks to recover identities of enslaved Africans.
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October 7, 2025 1:33pm
Northshoredoc

Ryan Bridge holds Chloe Swarbrick to account, suspect she threw a fit after this interview.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/finance-minister-suggests-one-nz-will-take-another-look-at-ads-featuring-winston-peters-protester/PJ5ZZ67EQBEEJGBURNEHOYZZ2A/
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October 7, 2025 2:16pm
- rouppe
  
  My body language training has lapsed.
  
  What does it mean when someone looks up before answering every question?
  
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  October 7, 2025 4:20pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Explicitly it means you are losing sight of the bigger picture and if explicitly you can come back to Planet Earth, then explicitly you can get the core point which explicitly is the basic fact that we should reflect on double standards.
    
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    October 7, 2025 6:57pm
- Inandout
  
  North, I don’t watch local TV but wasn’t surprised she is a protestor. Something about the eyes doesn’t seem normal.
  
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  October 7, 2025 4:48pm
- Dougal10
  
  It seems Chloe just lies and hopes it all goes away . As for One NZ they had better hurry up or it may go all bud lite for them.
  
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  October 7, 2025 5:08pm
  - Ghost
    
    One nz dumped her a few hours before your post, is there something else you want them to do?
    
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    October 7, 2025 5:38pm
    - Dougal10
      
      They have made noises about not using her anymore and have started the process of looking at older ads that she is in , but as they are wokesters it may take them a while.
      
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      October 7, 2025 9:07pm
      - Ghost
        
        Doesn’t matter what they say, you will whinge at the drop of a hat about it
        
        Let’s look at what they said
        
        “We don’t back any behaviour that puts people’s safety at risk.
        
        “What’s happened doesn’t line up with our values, so we’re taking the character out of our advertising.”
        
        Preston said the company would be “reviewing and replacing” current adverts as well as future ads, which could take time “depending on the channel”.
        
        They are right, depending on where the ads are, it isn’t something that can be done at the drop of the hat.
        
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        October 7, 2025 9:20pm
      - Dougal10
        
        As an over $400 a month customer I can complain as much as I want to sir.
        
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        October 8, 2025 8:20am
      - Ghost
        
        What’s it say about you then, a customer with a woke company they just whine about
        
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        October 8, 2025 10:14am
Ghost

“I’m a humble, loving actor… I have nothing against Winston Peters personally.”

However, she accused Peters of now trying to shift the focus away from the genocide in Gaza and the treatment of the people detained by Israel.

“It’s very beneficial to him,” she said. “It’s a diversion tactic of Winston Peters to be making such a big deal. Hana Rawhiti [Maipi Clarke’s] house was vandalised. It was not such an uproar. This is a really clear diversion tactic.”

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No, a big deal was made about it, especially from the Māori party. All leaders came out and condemned it. Silence though from the Māori party when it turned out to be an elderly man who had got confused and entered the wrong property
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October 7, 2025 5:37pm
- Rumblestrip
  
  “I have nothing against Winston Peters personally”
  
  What a weird statement. It doesn’t get much more personal than giving out a person’s home address so that others can protest, demonstrate and generally bother the residents.
  
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  October 7, 2025 6:25pm
Ghost

Anyone that paid the bribe shouldn’t be allowed to resit for however many years they have been driving. Then they should have to start from scratch at a learners, and pay for it all themself

More than 300 people will have to re-sit their driving tests after Vehicle Testing New Zealand (VTNZ) officers allegedly took money in return for passing applications.

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October 7, 2025 5:45pm
- Rumblestrip
  
  I guess the difference is:
  a) If they know for sure a bribe was paid
  b) They know that a ‘corrupt’ tester gave someone a passing grade, but cannot prove any wrongdoing in relation to that particular person
  
  The corrupt testers absolutely must face criminal charges, simply being sacked isn’t enough
  
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  October 7, 2025 6:33pm
- MCōs
  
  That’s not a million miles from my place
  I wonder if they dodgey WOFs?
  
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  October 7, 2025 6:45pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Is that a leading question, Cossie?
    
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    October 7, 2025 7:03pm
kiwi_chileno

Chatbots get creative – again. Deloitte has refunded the Australian govt $400, 000 because a report Deloitte ‘wrote’ was riddled with AI-generated hallucinations, including fabrication of a court judgement https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/06/deloitte_ai_report_australia/
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October 7, 2025 6:38pm
Swifty

This Green supporter is either seriously out of touch with recent events or is deliberately lying:

https://x.com/canderlodge/status/1975350228082708779?s=46

Nice to see her being caned in the comments – but no retraction nor apology as yet.
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October 7, 2025 7:28pm
- Ghost
  
  I had to laugh at this part
  
  And she denounced Willis’ description of the protesters: “She called them dogs. And I think that that betrays how our finance minister views regular New Zealanders legally protesting to prevent genocide.”
  
  Sigh. Maybe she could go learn about what it means and where it came from
  
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  October 7, 2025 8:04pm
Ghost

how many people does it take to paint a tree blue?

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October 7, 2025 7:45pm
Swifty

For reasons unknown to me, today has seen social media slammed with humourous Stephen Hawking AI vids – I must have seen twenty without breaking a sweat.

https://x.com/cyber_trailer/status/1975214039094685696?s=46
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October 7, 2025 8:04pm
- Swifty
  
  You are not the father!
  
  https://x.com/autismcapital/status/1975268205984948453?s=46
  
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  October 7, 2025 8:25pm
Swifty

Canadian immigration insanity:

https://x.com/truckdriverpleb/status/1975294112644669584?s=46

It’s a head scratcher.
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