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October 17, 2025 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 17 October 2025

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Positan

I’ve been a National Party member since 1969 and I’ve held offices from Young Nationals to Electorate chairman. That will affirm my long-held commitment to centre-right politics and my need to see full propriety and correctness in parliamentary proceedings.

I’ve long ascribed to National’s founding principles as drafted by Sid Holland. For many years, their substance steered the party’s objectives in governing. Pursuit of those principles rendered productive benefits to the nation which over the past 40-odd years have neither been equalled nor realised.

I’m a gravely concerned New Zealander, appalled at what six years of Labour’s lack of direction, duty-dereliction and utterly incompetent governance inflicted on New Zealand. Arbitrarily, socially, educationally and economically.

So I’ve become really bothered by the amoral laxness of parliament. Fostered and worsened under Mallard, and how it has extended. We’ve seen diminished personal responsibility, lack of accountability and unacceptable conduct become widespread in the Maori Party, the Greens and Labour. We’ve seen a transparent lack of observance for institutional authority by so many MPs, some who’ve displayed endemic contempt for parliamentary traditions.

Parliamentary conduct regressed enormously under Mallard and that has cost the institution substantially in electorate respect. Conduct has actually weakened incrementally every term since the introduction of MMP, which I think is because, quite wrongly, MMP accords far more power to the parties than it extends to the voters. Now, more so than ever before, parliament is substantially lacking in the confidence the electorate must possess – and in which it must believe.

It is essential that Brownlee after having dithered for so long, acts now to tighten and improve so many of the procedures. There are many, but here are just a few.

A standard of appropriate attire: –

Suits and ties for men, tidy respectful attire for women. Men do not wear hats indoors so the cowboy-hatted Waititi (along with the keffiyeh-clad Greens) debase the purpose and substance of our parliament which should only ever be seen as striving to act with full gravitas and seriousness. I would also like to see a ban on facial tattoos, given that they are primarily intended to intimidate, and parliament shouldn’t remotely countenance such.

A standard for parliamentary questions: –

Given parliament’s substantial operating cost, every second wasted on every banal triviality comes at huge expense to the country. Opposition MPs daily render banal and completely substance-less irrelevances that serve to underline contempt for the significance of the Chamber. Parliamentary time is squandered when such points render nothing to the electorate.

A standard for parliamentary behaviour: –

Members used to be held to stringent rules that upheld the respect demanded by the institution and to each other. Since the start of this parliament, addresses by Maori and Green MPs have not only transgressed protocol, but have completely hijacked long-standing procedures. In parliament, where complete understanding of issues, debates and due process is essential for effective deliberation, it is utterly nonsensical that the Maori language, understood by so few, should be permitted to be used. Aside from constant, solely point-scoring instances it is widening the distance that has become so marked in our understanding of each other’s perspectives.

One substantial difference of “translated meaning” arose with Maori Party MP Waititi’s use of Maori language when he made what has since been understood to have been an insult to King Charles. With the manifold shortcomings of te reo, in other reliable Maori quarters his words were firmly understood to convey a major intended slight to the King, yet somehow Waititi was able to claim that “that was not what he’d intended.” In two versions of Maori language Waititi’s meaning was distinct, but different. Te reo has also permitted significant other abuses.

Given such prevarications or equivocations of utterance, it becomes essential in the Debating Chamber that all MPs must be able to understand fully and reflect instantly on the utterances they hear. Anything rendered with a possible translative variation defeats and weakens due process.

Conduct of Members: –

Undue familiarity of expression has developed among MP’s, such as addressing another across the floor by Christian names, surnames or nick-names. Such conduct is far from being parliamentary. It is to be deplored and should not be countenanced. Respect shown by parliamentarians to themselves and to others always has to be the constant.

In the debating chamber, seriousness and gravitas are cardinal qualities and must at all times be evidenced. Such qualities cannot be attained nor retained by other than the unrelenting enforcement of proper procedure.

Restore the photo of the monarch in parliamentary buildings: –

Photos of Queen Elizabeth were removed by Helen Clark when she was Prime Minister. As New Zealand is a member of the Commonwealth, our Monarch’s photo should be a constant reminder to ministers and MPs that they act for the people on behalf of the King. Accordingly the photos should feature in the Cabinet Room and, indeed, in all of parliament’s significant places.

It is vital that all New Zealand governments are subject only to objective questioning from disciplined Oppositions – not the diverse, ill-researched repetitive rubbish we’ve endured for so long from Labour/Green/Maori Party MPs.

To achieve such, it would be more constructive if guidelines for MPs’ conduct in the House were fully understood – and then solidly established.
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October 17, 2025 8:01am
- Notsofast
  
  What a brilliant and timely post.
  The cost of parliament is born by tradies and share milkers etc getting their kit together at 5am onwards, not by the taxes levied against the grifters and wastrels on the side benches who are paid by the workers in the first place.
  Imagine the prime movers of the economy being so removed from productive enterprise as the tattooed dancers and low grade performers.
  
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  October 17, 2025 10:09am
- KiwiSapper
  
  Boy oh boy, you sure said a mouth full there!
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  ALL of which I, and I am confident, many others entirely agree with..
  However, I don’t see Brownlee as having the ability or power to rectify anything; his performance in the role of speaker to date supports my view.
  It will take the combined power and efforts of Luxon, Peters and Seymour ‘s parties . However as I don’t see Luxon being up to the job I fear it ain’t going to happen…So we must resign ourselves to the continuing degradation of our Parliament.
  
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  October 17, 2025 10:38am
- Philview
  
  I agree except one, the Labour Government’s lack of direction. The direction was clear and skillfully managed from shutting down debate and controlling the media and implementing extreme cultural Marxist policies.
  
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  October 17, 2025 11:23am
- wsk12345
  
  Ties are outdated now. But a reasonable standard of dress should be mandatory. What you would expect of a professional such as a lawyer or corp finance consultant.
  
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  October 17, 2025 11:53am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I’m inclined to agree about ties. Few are to be seen among the business community nowadays.
    
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    October 17, 2025 1:30pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Meh. I’m disgusted by Luxon’s/National’s enabling and support for the continued Maorification of everything. Tiriti-centred this, partnership that. We read about it every day. The grifting, guilt tripping, and grandstanding are neverending and will never end.
  
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  October 17, 2025 1:04pm
Nikola Donatello

So a Maori Party MP, cheered on by Willie Jackson, wants the Governor General to refuse to give Royal Ascent to a Bill because the Maori Party does not agree with it.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360857132/te-pati-maori-says-governor-general-should-block-new-seabed-and-foreshore-bill

This episode is yet another example of how the Maori Party is not compatible with a modern democracy.

Yes, technically the GG could refuse Royal Ascent. However it would create a crisis which would almost certainly result in her being removed from office. Of course this is all hypothetical. She will not do such a thing.

For the Maori Party, this is just another chapter of their insanity. However it is concerning that Willie Jackson is cheering them on. “I would love to see her reject the bill from Parliament, so it’s not a bad suggestion.”

Is it now Labour Party policy that the Governor General should choose which Bills to sign, based on political lobbying?
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October 17, 2025 8:02am
- Yvette
  
  I believe people should probably pay more attention to what Willie Jackson says, than to what Hipkins yet doesn’t.
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:17am
  - Paulus
    
    But But Hipkins is Labour’s best assett !
    Long may he reign.
    
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    October 17, 2025 1:12pm
- AitchW
  
  Based on political lobbying or on race?
  I suspect that Willy believes that because the GG is part Maori she should automatically and blindly support TPM and Labour’s Maori caucus.
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:27am
  - artemisia
    
    Mr Jackson is just travelling hopefully. Not expecting to arrive, but clicks, eyeballs, name recognition will do nicely thanks.
    
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    October 17, 2025 9:49am
    - septic skeptic
      
      I think you are wrong there. They fully expect to arrive at tribal rule. The last decade or so shows how much progress towards that end they have already made. Co- governance is just a stopping point along the way. So long as Luxon and the Nats will hold the line for them against ACT, they will be well placed to resume when LGTPM get to form a government.
      
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      October 17, 2025 10:46am
  - KiwiSapper
    
    “…the GG is part Maori…”
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    Agreed. We are long past the point where we loosely refer to part race’s as being a full race.
    Time for the 50% requirement to be applied again, and either the greater percentage used or a combination with the greater percentage first, ie, European / Maori, or Maori / European, or preferably New Zealander .
    Needless to say an end, unless you want to indulge in tokenism / look how woke I am, in Maori and use Aotearoa for ANYTHING except the North Island of New Zealand.
    
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    October 17, 2025 10:53am
    - Graeme Hall
      
      If that 50% rule were to be applied to the race grifter Willie Jackson he would become a man bereft of race – a simple humanoid. Who could argue?
      
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      October 17, 2025 2:34pm
- cmm
  
  The mere fact that this is in play is a sign of how the activist Maori have become emboldened in the last few years.
  
  Nobody is putting them in their place either – a sign that we can only expect more.
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:32am
- Spam
  
  This actually shows that Willie Jackson is not suited for parliament either. Hipkins should be asked about whether he agrees with Jackson. Seems to be against the oath that Jackson took when he was sworn in.
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:37am
  - Paulus
    
    So do you think that Jackson would agree with any Oath he may have taken –
    Get Real !
    
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    October 17, 2025 1:14pm
- [email protected]
  
  Just out of interest how do they square their whole “We never ceeded sovereignty” with this request for the representative of that sovereign, that they never ceeded to, to intercede on their behalf?
  
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  October 17, 2025 9:06am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Too difficult…
    another question, please.
    
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    October 17, 2025 10:44am
  - cmm
    
    Stop using racist Pakeha logic.
    
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    October 17, 2025 11:21am
  - JackRabbit
    
    If they “never ceded sovereignty”, which of course is a lie, why are they in Parliament?
    
    Could be compared to saying you don’t agree with the workplace Christmas office weekend away at a holiday resort, and so don’t contribute financially, “but then turning up, sleeping in a room you didn’t pay for, eating the food, and drinking the grog.
    
    “You didn’t cede sovereignty? Fine. Bugger off out of the New Zealand Sovereign Parliament.”
    
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    October 17, 2025 1:14pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Just a way station
    
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    October 17, 2025 1:32pm
- David Garrett
  
  1Nikola: This comment from Jackson actually just goes to show how utterly stupid he is.
  
  One of the fundamental parts of our unwritten constitution is that the GG will always give written assent to Bills passed by parliament. To depart from that convention would indeed provoke a major constitutional crisis similar what occurred in Australia in 1972 where the then GG sacked the Whitlam government.
  
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  October 17, 2025 10:15am
  - Cassandra
    
    Similar but not the same. Whitlam could not get supply through the Senate. And the Oz Constitution has “reserve powers”. But it’ll never happen again.
    
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    October 17, 2025 11:16am
  - SWIM
    
    DG.
    
    Did you hear a woooosh as that flew over your head?
    
    Of course Jackson knows its never going to happen but he didnt miss the chance to get his name in the media “sticking it to the white man” and playing to his audience.
    
    He is a politician looking for support from maybe 20% of the voters and that group will never have you or I included in its numbers.
    
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    October 17, 2025 11:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Maori Party MP, Romaine Ferris, seems to think the Governor-General should block the bill because it is time she looked after “her people”.
  
  “All descendants of He Whakaputanga, Te Tiriti, and the iwi leadership of today must now escalate our issues directly to the Governor-General. It’s time for her to get her hands involved in looking after her people.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2510/S00117/ferris-calls-on-governor-general-to-block-foreshore-and-seabed-confiscation.htm
  
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  October 17, 2025 12:51pm
- ISeeRed
  
  The Maori Party are many things. Insane is not one of them. Everything they say and do is cunning, calculated, deliberate.
  
  They have one goal in mind. Total takeover. Complete control. Aotearoa in their image.
  
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  October 17, 2025 1:07pm
  - Graeme Hall
    
    Hamaori?
    
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    October 17, 2025 2:36pm
Fender

vaccination versus anti-vaxxers – one of the most contentious topics of the modern era that everyone seems to have a set opinion on. Its difficult to find unbiased work on this topic from anyone including universities, medicine, corporates & governments. For such an important subject it should not be this way, but unfortunately our capitalist world has led us to this very sorry state. One of the very few medical institutions in the world – the Henry Ford Hospital in the USA, which has a long & venerated history as a teaching & research hospital in mainstream medicine that was long pro-vaccination decided to settle this issue & began a comprehensive study of vaccinated children versus unvaccinated looking at chronic disease development over time. Their work did not get the outcome they expected………….
https://brownstone.org/articles/inside-the-henry-ford-vaccine-controversy/?
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October 17, 2025 8:02am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  I am aware that this is a contentious issue. I am not a statistician, but if correct, these shortcomings in the study seem serious.
  
  https://theconversation.com/why-a-study-claiming-vaccines-cause-chronic-illness-is-severely-flawed-a-biostatistician-explains-the-biases-and-unsupported-conclusions-265470
  
  The most worrying..
  
  The vaccinated children were followed up for a much longer period of time than the unvaccinated children. So they obviously had more time to have observed health issues. If correct, this seems like a crazy design flaw. There are some other flaws reported in the critique.
  
  It does not seem to be a study that will end the debate.
  
  It is most unfortunate that compelling people to have the covid vaccine has permanently damaged take up of vaccines which until 2021 were relatively widely accepted as beneficial. That compulsion will be judged harshly by history. Yes Jacinda. I am referring to you.
  
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  October 17, 2025 9:47am
  - wsk12345
    
    But they article said they corrected for confounders such as this and result held
    
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    October 17, 2025 12:25pm
    - rouppe
      
      Would that be like adjusting the temperature recordings to get a hockey stick result?
      
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      October 17, 2025 2:21pm
CJames

For more proof the left academics (I know that is tautology) never sleep, the latest variant of technical education is STEMM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics and Mātauranga Māori). One of those has nothing to do with the other s- guess which one? They lost the A for Arts (really woke culture) so are trying to get it back in under another guise
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October 17, 2025 8:04am
- Southern Raider
  
  My kids hated when the A was added. Instead of looking forward to learning about science and technology they would come home despondent about having to do another art session instead.
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:14am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This science, maths stuff is too damn hard and takes too long to qualify to get a job.
  
  Much easier to become an expert by asking around for a few old memories or by making up fanciful tales.
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:15am
  - JJ56
    
    careful, you’ll get our host a letter from the BSA 🙂
    
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    October 17, 2025 8:20am
    - artemisia
      
      And a BSA levy invoice.
      
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      October 17, 2025 9:53am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Teachers union was complaining earlier in the week that it was unrealistic to expect all primary school teachers to be at the right level to meet the Govts expectations on maths achievement because there was very difficult subjects like algebra.
    
    Yes some Year 13 maths in high school like calculus is very complex and difficult, but algebra at year 6 in primary school gets as complicated as 5a = 10. If primary school teachers can’t work that out they shouldn’t be teaching even new entrants.
    
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    October 17, 2025 8:25am
    - pdm
      
      SR – I can add, subtract, multiply, divide, do fractions and decimals and percentages easily and comfortably.
      
      But from the first time I ran into Algebra it was and still is mumbo jumbo to me.
      
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      October 17, 2025 9:33am
      - David Garrett
        
        Pdm: Et moi aussi. But then for most of us, basic arithmetic is all you need – together with how to work a calculator.
        
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        October 17, 2025 10:20am
      - Local Miller
        
        Don’t blame the algebra, blame the teachers you had. For a few years I was teaching maths to year 13 level and I found the main problem was a poor foundation. When I took my students back to the basics and set a new foundation it took a few weeks for them to grasp the material and move on to more advanced work.
        If you can add, subtract, etc., then it’s a small step to go from: If 5 Apples + 9 Apples = 14 Apples, then for apples just use “A”, so what is 5″A” + 9″A” oh, it must be 14 “A” etc.
        If you grasped that pdm then it’s no longer mumbo jumbo.
        
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        October 17, 2025 10:32am
      - Dave McLean
        
        Seems simple, but in algebra the expression 5 Apples + 9 Apples = 14 Apples is an idendity with infinite solutions, and Apples could even be Oranges.
        
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        October 17, 2025 11:39am
      - wsk12345
        
        Whereas at late 50s I still use algebra regularly in every day life – at least every month or 3. Calculus which I did through uni, not so much.
        
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        October 17, 2025 12:26pm
      - D.Phillips
        
        Local Miller, I think a lot of it is also applying it to real world examples. Something that the students can relate to and that they see every day.
        
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        October 17, 2025 12:40pm
      - Handyman
        
        The new rules do not require all students master all subjects. However, it does require all specialist teachers to master their particular subject (to the level at which it is to be taught).
        Personally I was good at maths but woeful at music. Maybe it was because the music teacher couldn’t read music, couldn’t play the piano and told us music was hard and we would probably all fail anyway.
        
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        October 17, 2025 12:47pm
      - OlderChas
        
        I could handle basic algebra where a letter equals an unknown number – and unwittingly use it sometimes (e.g – if I have 10 and I need y to make 20, what is y) – but trigonometry is utter mumbo jumbo and totally unnecessary!
        
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        October 17, 2025 10:09pm
    - Simon Arnold
      
      I proudly have a Standard 2 report giving me “D” for arithmetic, along with the comment “Simon has no aptitude for arithmetic”. [this was a bygone age when assessments were just that]
      
      I still have no aptitude for arithmetic (nor can I spell), but I do suffer with a post grad degree in mathematics.
      
      There is some hope.
      
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      October 17, 2025 11:40am
      - Paulus
        
        If children cannot speak English then the rest is quite useless.
        
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        October 17, 2025 1:18pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        You should have that report framed and hung up in the office.
        
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        October 17, 2025 1:38pm
- redeye
  
  One of them is mumbo jumbo.:-)
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:21am
  - Don Beckett
    
    I loved maths at college including trigonometry , but didn’t take calculus in year 12 unfortunately.
    
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    October 17, 2025 11:38am
  - Paulus
    
    Is that the Mumbo Jungle from the Jungle ?
    
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    October 17, 2025 1:18pm
- Cassandra
  
  Hundreds of principals have protested that implementing the new curriculum is too hard – more support is demanded. They’ve just had two weeks without pupils. Not long enough? Or perhaps that was spent on a holiday? Curriculum is for term time.
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:30am
  - cmm
    
    If you can’t understand primary school maths then you have no place in education.
    
    And please don’t start a forklift either.
    
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    October 17, 2025 8:34am
    - Southern Raider
      
      Science is the same. I volunteered to help out at a rocket day at local primary school. The teacher of my child’s class was just following the prepared presentation but wasn’t making it real world as I assumed she was an English major and no science or maths interest.
      
      She wasn’t making it real world or challenging the kids to think. I butted in and asked the kids “what factors outside today could impact your rocket flying?” it was windy and I thought the kids should be comprehending those kinds of things. I just got glared at.
      
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      October 17, 2025 9:18am
    - Sacha
      
      Back in the day we had Teachers Training Colleges for Primary School Teachers who taught the primary School Syllabus.
      Children moved from primary school to Standards 5 & 6 which were preparatory for Secondary School
      at a basic level: algebra, geometry, and some languages.
      A secondary school teacher was expected to have a degree in their specialty subject.
      
      But then, some forgotten politician decided that ALL teachers should have a degree, and that was fine, except that they don’t teach how to manage a classroom of inattentive kids at university. And there, some might say, lies the problem, still.
      
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      October 17, 2025 3:28pm
- mandk
  
  If there really is a partnership between the Crown and Māori, the curriculum should cover the folk wisdom of the early settlers as well as Matauranga Māori.
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    the folk wisdom of the early settlers as well as Matauranga Māori.
    
    Then you might discover that a lot of the MM is really folk wisdom of the early settlers, whalers, and missionaries.
    
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    October 17, 2025 10:49am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Or those peaceful people that were here long before the Maori.
      
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      October 17, 2025 1:19pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s not often that ‘tautology’ and ‘oxymoron’ can be applied to the same phrase, but Lefty Academic manages it.
  
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  October 17, 2025 1:41pm
Jethrod

With the death of James Bolger, who was appointed to the Order of New Zealand(ONZ) on the 31st December 1997, the ONZ has now only 13 recipients still alive. There is a limit of 20 people who can be members at any one time, along with the additional members, of which there is 8. There is 33 deceased members, 13 deceased additional members and 2 deceased honorary members. A total of 61 people who have been various members of this prestigious award.
No members have been appointed since 31 December 2020 and no additional members since 5 June 2023.
One must consider that the 2 Governments that have been in power covering those dates are attempting to obliterate this award by just ignoring it.
If that is the case, Richie McCaw, if he lives to be 100, the last ONZ has only 56 years of existence remaining.
A lot of the various members, like Bolger, McCaw and Helen Clark, have accepted this award because of a reluctance to accept a Knight/Dame hood.
Who makes decisions like this? I have highlighted this after the deaths of the last 3 recipients, with few or no comments.
Do we, as observers of people, need to be nominating people in our communities and lives who are deserving of this prestigious award ?
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October 17, 2025 8:11am
- Gary Benner
  
  Drawing a few long bows here, but when you open some doors, the light casts an interesting view on past history.
  
  Further to the accolades being cast on Jim Bolger, I was watching some of history and commentary on his life. And is seems his attitudes to life here in NZ were very much influenced by his parents and heritage coming from County Wexford in Ireland in 1930, and bringing with them the bitterness there against the English, passed on down from generation to generation.
  
  Now this explained a lot to me, as it seems he made an association between the oppression of the Irish in the 1800’s to that of Maori. Now also having ancestors that came from Ireland, I also know a little of that time. One difference is that my ancestors were not as hateful, and actually worked with Maori to their benefit. But the association Bolger made was more one that fostered an attitude of a common “enemy” to gain advantage. By that I mean that he still obviously hated the English, and used Maori as a means to get back at them. Sadly for him the”English” did not really care, and the only people disadvantaged were the hard-working people born and bred here in New Zealand.
  
  The situation between Maori and the Irish is very different. Ireland in the 1800’s had already a written language for over a millennia, had music (ie based on a proper tonal scale), had left the stone age also centuries before, and had villages and farming industries for a very long time. Maori on the other hand were still in the stone age technologically when the Europeans arrived, were basically hunter gatherers (as the Moas found out), with little structured agriculture, were continually involved in warfare with their neighbouring tribes, had slavery and engaged in cannibalism.
  
  Ireland was being used as a food basket for England, whereas New Zealand was a relatively unpopulated country, most of it undeveloped, and an opportunity for people leaving Europe – as happened over time in most of the world.
  
  So the situations were very different. Also it appears that the people in power, from Hobson to Governor Grey were of a totally different mould to those governing Ireland in the 1800’s. Here the challenge was to work with Maori to bring them in to the 19th and latterly the 20th century. And I believe most did so with the best of intentions. Obviously the gaps in “civilisation” between the two races brought up issues from time to time, but amazingly I believe that over time ~99% of all persons with Maori heritage have had at least the opportunity to reach a level of sophistication in their lives to parallel the rest of the western world. Think Dame Kiri Te Kanawa, Sir Ian Taylor, and many more.
  
  Going back to Bolger, it was under his leadership that many grievances were settled, but in doing so, rather then staunching the wound, he opened the way for a gravy train industry that has accelerated every since. Then of course we had Chris Finlayson (another guilt ridden individual) come in on the scene to complete the job….. To the extent that we have the very foundations of our democratic society challenged. Separate maori seats in Parliament, separate maori wards in councils, deal$ having to be done with local iwi to get progress, attempts to make a particular version of treaty history (“indoctrination”) compulsory in schools and universities … the list goes on.
  
  The problem I have is nothing to do with maori culture, I embrace the unique character it gives our country in our language and customs; it is the fact that too many of the changes being effected all appear to be taking us back to the ancient tribal system that existed when the Europeans arrived, where there is a family elite in control of the resources and destiny of not only their tribal members, but now the country as a whole. Just look at the powerful iwi, and you see the familial structure very much in control. Money is asked for “consultation” from one side, but not the other.
  
  It is an insidious and potentially catastrophic turn of events, where the hard won gains to create a democracy are being slowly and surely undermined to create a society that was once top of the list for desirability. We see a rapidly increasing brain drain, and rather than a focus on productive technologies, a focus on inventing stuff that did never exist. STEM has become STEMM, the last M added recently worldwide to include medicine, oh except here in New Zealand where is means mātauranga Māori. In my own family and friend circle, I’m seeing so many bright intelligent younger people finding Europe and North America a better palce to live. We have to find a way to make sure that the cream of our land stays around.
  
  And changes to our political process, where once if politicians wanted say, a new flag, you had to have a referendum. But now if a group wants to change the name of our country, they just do it, pay the media to follow their orders, and everything is “Aotearoa New Zealand”. Now I’m not saying this in itself is right or wrong, but the process is wrong. It seems if you have the money, and a good PR company, and a compliant media, you can achieve anything you want, in spite of common public opinion.
  
  Right now, the feeling is that we are muffins in the oven, being slowly cooked. And I’m sure our expat SA friends will observe the same pattern that happened over there.
  
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  October 17, 2025 10:40am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Well put Gary.
    
    Bolgers’ comparison of Maori and the Irish is simplistic in the extreme.
    
    The only commonality is that both peoples had interaction with the British.
    
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    October 17, 2025 11:21am
  - Philview
    
    Seeing the highlights on the News this week it reminded why I didn’t vote for the National Party at that time. Jim was a staunch republican and outspoken supporter of Irish republicanism. My family came from protestant stock so I tended to have a different viewpoint to Jim. I don’t think it is a big issue these days now that Christians are fleeing woke churches.
    
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    October 17, 2025 2:32pm
  - kowtow
    
    GB
    
    This whole Irish schtick of “English” oppressionis just so much b/s.
    
    The 1800’s wre literally a period of Great Britain ( including Ireland) moving out of almost neo feudalism into the modern , democratic state , not a single nation , but literally a united kingdom .( Ireland had its own parliament , but due to the dangers of French Republicanism , rebellion and indeed French revolutionary invasion as well as native Irish ( both protestant and catholic ) republicanism /radicalism the powers that be brought Ireland into the Union. ( early 1800’s).
    
    The simple fact is Britain under the Victorians was very “liberal” and reformist and there many great leaps in progress re education , politics( the yarious reform acts) industrial relations etc , all these issues related to Ireland too , and the Irish were no more “oppressed” than a Scots or Welshman , politically or indeed in Britain the religious minorities ( non conformists) there too were also “oppressed” as they weren’t Anglicans .
    
    Irish republican types and their offspring who emigrated to the Empire or born therein and took up land who then bollocks on about “oppression” by the English in Ireland but who are happy to own any land or farm in the Americas , Australia or New Zealand are nothing but hypocrites because by token of their “grievance” against England they too are depriving some native and his successors of his “birthright”.
    
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    October 17, 2025 4:41pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Tell that to the families of those who died during the Great Potato Blight famine of the 1840s.
      
      Check out the Corn Laws debate while you’re there.
      
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      October 17, 2025 10:42pm
      - Gary Benner
        
        The point is Bollocks, is that the maori natives in New Zealand were never treated the way the Irish were in Ireland. Firstly the irish had always lived there, and secondly there was a campaign to starve them during teh potato famine.
        
        Neither applied to the maori tribes, who proudly talk of their journeys in waka to New Zealand. And there has never been a campaign to starve maori people. Au contraire, from the missionaries onwards, there has only been help to take them from their original state into civilised society.
        
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        October 18, 2025 3:11pm
Southern Raider

Interesting how the left and aligned media has been trying to balance the stories of hostages vs prisoners and have feel good stories about the prisoners being returned to their families after 20 years in Israeli prisons, without conducting basic google searches

The “prisoner” who was filmed with his loving family after 30 years imprisonment actually blew up a bus killing 7 children and tried to blow up another bus before he was caught

The “prisoner” who they tried to claim had his legs and an arm amputated after years of abuse in Israeli prisons actually lost his limbs after a failed suicide bomb attempt

Another “prisoner” released after 20 years into the loving embrace of his daughter murdered 3 Israeli teenage girls.

That’s just 3 back stories and you can imagine the other 1997 released would be similar.
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October 17, 2025 8:20am
- mogg
  
  The BBC has been very careful not to call any of them terrorists, they are loving family members.
  
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  October 17, 2025 9:45am
  - Don Beckett
    
    It appears that a number of them, once back in the safety of Hamas controlled Gaza, have sworn to repeat Oct. 7th. time & time again.
    
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    October 17, 2025 11:47am
    - AitchW
      
      No surprises there. Especially now that he has women and children to hide behind.
      
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      October 17, 2025 5:45pm
- David Garrett
  
  Southern: WS will be along shortly to tell us that those charmers and all the others are actually victims of Israeli oppression
  
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  October 17, 2025 10:23am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, like the Maori Party & their followers. //
    
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    October 17, 2025 11:48am
- Ehlana
  
  I thought it was interesting that while Hamas released hostages – people kidnapped while living their every day lives – Israel released detainees (I assume detained by military/police, but while doing what?) and prisoners (I assume convicted through a Court process).
  There is definitely an attempt to paint the latter as “equal” to the hostages, but the wording used suggests otherwise.
  And even if you accept the equality argument, the fact that Hamas considers 40-odd Israelis a fair swap for 2000 Palestinians surely says a lot about how they value the lives of their own people. And that valuation itself justifies Israel holding many Palestinians – they need them for swaps!
  
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  October 17, 2025 12:23pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What is the National Party’s position on tikanga in NZ Law?

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2025/10/wendy-geus-national-mp-advocating-for.html
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October 17, 2025 8:23am
- cmm
  
  No doubt somewhere on the fence with a ball each side.
  I’ll allow you to do the conversion for Wendy.
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:35am
- pdm
  
  National seems hellbent on entrenching Co-Governance through the Public Service and Local Bodies Maggie.
  
  Their election promises in this area seem to have been consigned to the rubbish bin.
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:43am
  - ISeeRed
    
    National believe the majority of voters occupying the mushy middle support this and don’t want to scare them off. after all, pwinciples are vewy scawy.
    
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    October 17, 2025 1:22pm
    - Ghost
      
      And yet
      
      Goldsmith recently announced he is prepared to remove tikanga Māori from court rulings
      
      We also have this. Just last week, the government took the unprecedented step of disallowing a regulation – recommended by the New Zealand Council of Legal Education – that would have embedded tikanga Māori as a core part of every law degree in Aotearoa.
      
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      October 17, 2025 1:36pm
      - ISeeRed
        
        Yes, we keep hearing how National are pushing back. “And yet” Maorification creeps into more and more aspects of our governance and lives every day. The general direction is still towards “Aotearoa über alles”.
        
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        October 17, 2025 2:17pm
- Yvette
  
  The prospect of ‘tikanga’ to be taught in law school would surely require a discernment as to what of tikanga is Maori religion and what is culture (secular rights and secular viewpoints), like: is mana religion bound or not?
  Is the UK facing similar considerations with Sharia Law?
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:46am
  - Paulus
    
    First of all this may I be told what is tikanga
    – I assume it is a new McD coffee flavour, like it sounds.!
    
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    October 17, 2025 1:25pm
- imalwaysright
  
  “What is the National Party’s position on tikanga in NZ Law?”
  
  They will have to wait until the BSA define ‘tikanga’.
  
  The complaint used to initiate their jurisdictional power grab over the Platform and the internet centres on Plunket describing ‘tikanga’ as ‘mumbo jumbo’.
  
  Since there is no definition of ‘tikanga’, the BSA must first establish one in order to prove that Plunket was in the wrong.
  
  I would suggest ‘mumbo jumbo’ is probably a good starting point.
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:47am
- RoboRob
  
  It depends on the timeline involved.
  
  Pre election
  It has no place in law. We will strive to make sure law is clear and concise.
  
  In power
  We have a working group looking at a subset of laws and considering if the specific clause ‘the principles of eh treaty’ should be removed. Meanwhile we continue to add Maori clauses to all new laws and will not remove the clauses when amending existing laws.
  
  Pre 2026 election
  There are much bigger issues for us to focus on. By the way, you cant vote for labour becuase of TPM.
  
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  October 17, 2025 9:08am
JJ56

Perhap a passing we should perhap note in NZ – ‘Last surviving member of first team to scale Everest dies aged 92’ https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceq0xlnv2x2o
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October 17, 2025 8:28am
- David Garrett
  
  JJ: Yes, well done that man.
  
  One of the reasons for Hillary’s later charitable work in Nepal was because he recognised the Europeans couldn’t have done it without the sherpas.
  
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  October 17, 2025 10:27am
Tomtoddy

Another 30 Christians have been beheaded in Mozambique by Islamic State terrorists. Homes and churches burnt down. Just one more atrocity that goes unnoticed in Africa.

If it happens in Gaza at Israel’s hand it is headlines for days and marches in the street.
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October 17, 2025 8:36am
- Spam
  
  I saw the useful idiots protesting this morning. Apparently the genocide in Gaza continues unabated, but this time it’s not the Jews!!! [Mod – use the correct word] that are at fault, it is Caltex. Exactly how they’re doing it is unclear. Even more unclear is why the protestors were standing outside a BP station to protest Caltex!
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:41am
  - cmm
    
    The BP was probably closest to the coffee shop where they assembled. They assume their audience are very stupid (eg. firing off a flare can be called being bombed).
    
    Yes, certainly the Mozambique problem is bad. These Islamic jihadists are much harder to deal to than the rebel groups of yore.
    
    The Jihadists really do not care if they live or die which, ironically makes them harder to deal with. Instead of traveling in groups for defence, they do not mind traveling alone. This makes them much harder to track, ambush etc.
    
    This has rendered old counter-insurgency doctrines obsolete and the military are having to derive new tactics to deal with them.
    
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    October 17, 2025 8:51am
    - pdm
      
      Maybe they like Wild Bean coffee best cmm.
      
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      October 17, 2025 9:00am
    - David Garrett
      
      cmm: Correction Sir: they actually WANT to die during what they perceive as an act of jihad. That is one of the two ways Muslims believe they can guarantee their entrance to Paradise. The other is to be killed while at worship.
      
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      October 17, 2025 10:30am
      - Paulus
        
        But where can the find the Virgins
        – Aotearoa perhaps, but I doubt it.
        
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        October 17, 2025 1:28pm
- mandk
  
  It’s because the tea towel wearers only care about brown people being killed if the Israelis are involved.
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:41am
  - Don Beckett
    
    They wouldn’t dare protest on behalf of the 30,000 Christians killed over the last 10 years by Boko Haram in northern Nigeria – nor the genocide that happening in Sudan.
    Oh that’s right – it can’t be a genocide because it’s against Christians – not a race.
    
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    October 17, 2025 11:54am
- imalwaysright
  
  Will the Greens be down at the local convent buying up nuns outfits…
  
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  October 17, 2025 8:50am
- MCōs
  
  That was originally reported in September 2024
  https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matter-areas/terrorism-study/more-than-30-christians-beheaded-by-islamic-state-affiliate-in-mozambique/
  
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  October 17, 2025 9:55am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  The useful idiots of the left have no interest in religious groups such as Christian’s, only islamist extremists such as ISIS whose clothing is to be worn with pride.
  
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  October 17, 2025 10:31am
pdm

Not sure if this Waiheke schooling issue came up in this forum yesterday. So here is a link to my post after I found Judy Gills expose on facebook.
https://nominister.wordpress.com/2025/10/16/education-or-lack-of-it-on-waiheke-island/

My advice was for her to bring her problem to the attention of Erica Stanford and David Seymour on the basis her electorate MP Chloe Swarbrick would likely support the stance of the two Public Schools.
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October 17, 2025 8:47am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  That is so bad but not surprising.
  
  “The school displayed the Tino Rangatiratanga flag beside the New Zealand flag for the entire first term of this year.”
  
  Only the New Zealand flag should be displayed at schools and government buildings.
  
  I have no problems with schools teaching te ao Maori in classes covering Maori history, beliefs and mysticism. However it is terrifying that it is being taught as a parallel “science”.
  
  Why did the government not stop all this in its first 30 days in office?
  
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  October 17, 2025 9:13am
- cmm
  
  Waiheke being Waiheke, she’s probably the only one complaining and the rest are falling over each other to be seen to be following into line. Surely they understood that when they moved there?
  
  I would go for homeschooling, but she does not believe that to be an option. I don’t fully understand why.
  
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  October 17, 2025 9:29am
  - Nikola Donatello
    
    Agree. She is going to need to relocate.
    
    TBH it is naive to choose to live there and expect rational schools and rational parents. Even if the Minister “did something” they would go back to doing what they want in short order.
    
    She can live there or send her child to a good school. She cannot have both.
    
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    October 17, 2025 9:51am
- artemisia
  
  Can a child in zone for a school not be permitted to enrol? Think they can be excluded afterwards, but before? A trespassed caregiver might have to wait at the gate I guess.
  
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  October 17, 2025 10:08am
  - Nikola Donatello
    
    No a child in zone cannot be refused.
    
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    October 17, 2025 10:50am
    - pdm
      
      Exactly what I thought ND and Maggie.
      
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      October 17, 2025 12:35pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If a school has an enrolment scheme, it has to accept all students who live in the “home zone”.
    
    https://communitylaw.org.nz/community-law-manual/test/enrolment-attendance-and-the-school-system/enrolment-schemes-school-zones/
    
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    October 17, 2025 10:55am
  - Ehlana
    
    It’s possible the school only starts pupils at the start of each term now, rather than on their birthdays, as we used to do. I think that is permitted, though it means her son will be unable to enrol until next February, by when he will be closer to 5 and a half.
    
    Her real seems to be a desire for a secular education in a no-longer secular school system.
    
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    October 17, 2025 1:55pm
pdm

Is this the ultimate in stupidity and virtue signalling or is it just me being cynical?

From Hawkes Bay Today.
`Hawke’s Bay women’s triathlon ditches single-use plastic cups.’
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October 17, 2025 9:03am
- gravedodger
  
  Nah pdm they should have to wash them and return them to the rack ready for the next competitor.
  Oh and cease with the oil based gear being used,aye
  
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  October 17, 2025 9:18am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, it is after all women’s sport, so adding washing up would seem appropriate.
    Add a quick scone bake and they could make it a pentathlon!
    
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    October 17, 2025 9:32am
    - RichardX
      
      So it’s not just Maori you want to “put in their place”, you want to put women in their place in the kitchen too.
      
      cmm
      The mere fact that this is in play is a sign of how the activist Maori have become emboldened in the last few years.
      
      Nobody is putting them in their place either – a sign that we can only expect more.
      
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      October 17, 2025 12:40pm
- MCōs
  
  It’s an initiative promoted by Sustainable Hawkes Bay. Apart from anything else there is a landfill problem in the area. The Omarunui Landfill is nearing it’s capacity so as much recycling as possible is encouraged, even that which may seem frivolous to you.
  
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  October 17, 2025 9:32am
  - pdm
    
    mcos we live in Hastings.
    
    We do not recycle since our recycling was not picked up 3 weeks in a row, without explanation, about 5 years ago. Everything goes into the wheelie bin.
    
    The Omarunui landfill is nearing the end of its days but, if the `do gooders’ stepped aside there are plenty of sites available for a replacement landfill.
    
    I bet there are more than a few cockies with gullies they would like filled.
    
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    October 17, 2025 9:42am
    - MCōs
      
      I don’t think you thought that idea through about cockies wanting fleets of trucks dumping piles of smelly rubbish on their lands for the next ten years . . . .
      
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      October 17, 2025 10:29am
      - pdm
        
        It has been happening in Central Hawkes Bay for close to 20 years and seems to work okay.
        
        Obviously the proper groundwork has to be done and no kowtowing to Green busy bodies and their sycophants.
        
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        October 17, 2025 12:38pm
    - wsk12345
      
      We have a similar problem in chch. I still recycle but when the (small) yellow bin is full the rest goes in red. Red also gets most of our green waste given the green bin is tiny and even with composting grass and food is chocka every week. Unintended consequences… if they gave us appropriate bins like our neighbours were allocated at no extra charge I’d happily use the right ones.
      
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      October 17, 2025 12:43pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Recycling almost all ends up in landfill, after wasting extra energy in cleansing and separate collection trucks. There is just no market for recycled materials due to inevitable issues with contamination.
    
    It is beyond stupid that we don’t incinerate rubbish to cut down on 90% of landfill and generate power. ‘Environmentalists’ who have over decades labored to prevent it are functionally insane.
    
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    October 17, 2025 9:47am
    - artemisia
      
      Project Kea waste incineration plant is on the Fast Track project list.
      
      https://www.fasttrack.govt.nz/projects/project-kea
      
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      October 17, 2025 12:04pm
    - pdm
      
      How much waste did scavengers remove from dumps in the old days?
      
      As a kid I remember going to the dump with my father and we often/usually left with a couple of useful tools or other items.
      
      `One mans rubbish is another mans treasure’ is a saying that probably holds good today.
      
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      October 17, 2025 12:41pm
      - SWIM
        
        We lived about 10 minutes bike ride from city dump back in the day.
        Older Bro and I started off going on Sundays when it was closed and taking copper wire out of the huge stack of car bodies and did very well out of that, moved onto getting useful junk and flogging it to 2nd hand shops.
        Best thing I ever found was 2 x .22 cal rifles complete. One was a vintage Marlin octagonal barrel, cracking rifle.
        
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        October 17, 2025 1:38pm
      - Sacha
        
        When I lived in Turangi, there was a place for green waste (as in grasscuttings/tree trimmings etc), and an Mitre 11, where useful items could be dropped off and bought for a token 50c/$1.
        My favourite purchase is a wall clock. Below the clock face is a little montage of a trout, fishing net, tiny bucket and other useful items that a fisherman might need.
        It cost me a dollar & no-one could be more surprised than me, when I put a couple of batteries in, set the time, and it started ticking!
        
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        October 17, 2025 3:57pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      The classic from 1996, and published in, of all places, New York Times Magazine.
      Recycling is garbage
      
      The author, John Tierney, later said that he got more hate mail for that piece than anything else he or anybody ever wrote for that mag.
      
      Key point:
      
      Clark Wiseman, an economist at Gonzaga University in Spokane, Wash., has calculated that if Americans keep generating garbage at current rates for 1,000 years, and if all their garbage is put in a landfill 100 yards deep, by the year 3000 this national garbage heap will fill a square piece of land 35 miles on each side. This doesn’t seem a huge imposition in a country the size of America.
      
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      October 17, 2025 9:47pm
Jack5

Simeon Brown iṡ taking the heavy line in the stand-off with the medical profession.

Brown is accusing doctors of “crossing an ethical line”.

On Red Radio this morning he upped the threat by indicating to interviewer Corin Dann that a police-type ban on striking might have to be considered — presumably for the medical profession as a whole.

Given Luxon’s earlier sidelining of Shane Reti for Brown, the Health portfolio’s beginning to look like a suicide post, with demand for health services outrunning available resources.

If voters take doctors’ side against the Government, what happens to Brown?

Dann seemed to offer Brown a side-step to the issue by raising the question of whether NZ can have Scandinavian-style health care without Scandinavian-scale taxes.

Brown didn’t take the bait; he would not be diverted.

The Minister’ṡ taking a long punt if he hopes to get voters on side against the medical profession.

Who would want to be Minister of Health? The likeable Shane Reti was shaping up to be a fine overseer of the system in the traditional mould, but some, presumably the National-ACT segment of the Coalition, must have wanted someone who would focus on health system costs.

If the present stand-off makes Brown sufficiently unpopular with voters, the Prime Minister can just replace him. What a suicide job for a young politician.
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October 17, 2025 9:13am
- Ghost
  
  I don’t think Shane was that good. I remember talking to a doctor friend who said that Shane just wasn’t what health needed. He was too soft, health needs someone who can go in, do the hard decisions and fix the mess.
  
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  October 17, 2025 9:51am
  - Skippytony
    
    Its all very well to talk about taking hard decisions in health. Lets have an example or two.
    Every time any type of change is proposed, either to take cost our or improve services someone starts to complain about the consequences.
    
    Its is a no win job.
    
    Mind you, I got sick under the (pre-labour) performance targets regime and it was excellent and well understood by everyone. It was a sad day when they got junked.
    
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    October 17, 2025 10:18am
  - RoboRob
    
    Agree. Reti was much heralded pre election but his handing of all his portfolios appears to be very weak. It is no coincidence that Nationals most successful ministers are also the ones taking a hard line with their departments.
    
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    October 17, 2025 10:19am
    - Jack5
      
      Roborob”s …. National’s most successful ministers are also the ones taking a hard line with their departments …
      
      Where would you rank Paul Goldsmith then? PM Luxon appointed him after putting aside Melissa Lee, who at least had a plan for sorting out the State-owned and State-subsidised media.
      
      What has Goldsmith done? Has he taken a hard line with State owned media?
      
      Many would rank Reti as realistic rather than weak. He spent days and nights at emergency departments around the country. He knew how the system worked and the problems. He just didn’t have a magic wand to create funding.
      
      The problem does boil down to New Zealanders wanting a Scandinavian welfare-health system without paying the taxes on Scandinavian scale to finance it.
      
      Coming out of the 1930s Depression, a Labour Government consolidated a free health system with finance from a tax surcharge of 5 per cent of income plus an annual poll tax of one pound.
      
      If New Zealand doesn’t want that approach, fine, but with the next general election why not have a non-binding referendum on a tax for separate health-welfare, or for just health.
      
      That referendum could also let people rank what proportion of income would be acceptable as a health-welfare tax.
      
      Referendums/a on changing the electoral system seem to have asked people which system they favoured over first-past-the-post.
      
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      October 17, 2025 12:29pm
      - RoboRob
        
        Hi Jack, since you asked 🙂
        
        Luxon, Willis, Goldsmith, Reti and Watts are all right at the bottom of my list. If I was to rank those 5 from best of the worst it would be
        
        #1 (best of the worst) : Goldsmith – has passed a couple of minor good law changes. Has totally muffed it on media & treaty. Stuffed the working of the gang patch law and has no intention of actually fixing it. Dithers and waffles. Lots of sound bites but no go. No balls.
        
        #2 Willis – Has some balls. No real changes in legislation, lots of enquiries (Bank, Supermarket etc) but no real accomplishments. Likes to be seen to be doing something rather then doing it. Total failure of communication. Is her plan to fix the finances with drastic cuts (like she says) or slight changes and hoping the economy comes right. Who knows.
        
        #3 Reti. The invisible minister. No Balls
        
        #4 Luxon! – Fence sitter. Poor communicator. Weak. Cant out perform ‘stars’ like Chris Hipkins. Destroying the National party. Useless leadership (see Watts, Reti etc). No balls. All that and he is still not the worst!
        
        #5 (worst) Watts – Given an energy emergency (his words) and an out of control local government. He has managed to sit on his hands for 2 years before releasing a plan (not any actual actions) to start fixing the energy sector. In the meantime NZs productive sector goes down the toilet. Has dont NOTHING around councils and works well with the progressive LGNZ. No Balls. A steller failure.
        
        Note : If you count the fact that Luxon is in charge of Watts then in reality Luxon should be at the bottom of the list as he has allowed Watts to do nothing.
        
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        October 17, 2025 2:48pm
- MCōs
  
  I suspect S. Brown is looking to privatize as much of the system as possible, particularly elective surgery.
  I’m confused about the status of the various doctors in the hospitals.
  Three weeks ago I had an appointment with a hematologist. At the conclusion of our discussion I said I see you’re going on strike. Not me, he said, it’s the consultants. So I don’t know . . . .
  
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  October 17, 2025 10:12am
  - kiwimike
    
    MCos you probably saw a registrar in training or an SMO.
    They all work Under a consultant, all patients are nested under a consultant, but might see a reg or SMO for clinics.
    The file gets signed off by the consultant with the REG as they are held accountable for the patient legally as the REG works under supervision.
    Note: more at the beginning and less at the end of the 4 yr training period.
    
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    October 17, 2025 3:21pm
  - Taieri
    
    I suspect S. Brown is looking to privatize as much of the system as possible, particularly elective surgery.
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    From my point of view it doesn’t really matter whether the health system is government or privately owned. What matters is the availability of health services and universal access to them.
    
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    October 17, 2025 4:52pm
- Dougal10
  
  This whole principals ,teachers , nurses and doctors striking and working slow stinks of the labour party ,Hipkins,Tinitti and Veral and their respective union buddies pushing back at the ministry staff at the relevant organisations that they will be back in power one day . And if they don’t advise the current ministers to ok the demands they will be on some blacklist somewhere
  
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  October 17, 2025 11:21am
  - lifesgood
    
    I think everybody is fed up to the back teeth with these well paid people going on strike. All are paid at least 50% more than the average wage. Greedy buggers!
    
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    October 17, 2025 3:36pm
RoboRob

Principals association coming out publicly against removal of Maori words from first readers. Writing to the government and doing media appearances.

I would have had more respect for them if they had ever bothered to ever come out publicly to raise the issues of attendance or that the reading system was failing our kids and there were better systems available, including the old system. But no, for 20 years they knew the reading / writing curriculum was a failure and did nothing.

So they care about their progressive values but they don’t really give a shit about the children.
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October 17, 2025 9:13am
cmm

I am sure it was fun and loud and stuff, but I am gobsmacked that a family would spend $300 for tickets to a monster truck show. Maybe I’m just tight fisted but I would certainly never pay that.

I wonder whether they are the same people that whinge about the cost of living crisis?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland/hot-wheels-monster-truck-show-at-eden-park-disappoints-attendees/PUN4EPE3JNBAFI7GC3KIL644Q4/
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October 17, 2025 9:23am
Southern Raider

Saw a post on social media from a Māori guy about the “I’m not a racist, but” TV programme last week

He was wanting to raise awareness of the divisiveness of the media and especially the narrative in that TV programme. He claims he was selected to be in it (had a photo to prove it) and was paired with an old white women. He said they had a lovely conversation about recognising the person not the race and treating everyone the same. He said the conversation was constructive and pleasant.

He didn’t make the final cut and claims it was because the producers wanted conflict to support their views.
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October 17, 2025 9:24am
- Ghost
  
  Thee was no conflict in the conversations they aired.
  
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  October 17, 2025 11:06am
Swifty

Damn you National for giving tax cuts to landlords!!!!!!

https://x.com/charteddaily/status/1978693834524492130?s=46

They’re just looking after their rich landlord mates!!!!!

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October 17, 2025 9:30am
Toes on the nose

Kids are looking at Uni, I’m saying Canterbury or Otago.. campus life and mountains. Youngest interested in Law.. I’m about to email Auckland Uni to ask if Eru KK is employed at the law school. Cos if he is, Auckland is a hard no.
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October 17, 2025 9:37am
- RoboRob
  
  I would suggest Canterbury, but I am a biased Cantabrian. Better weather then Otago (and Wellington), better accomodation options, easier to get around then Auckland / Wellington, decent course options and facilities.
  
  All the universities are woke but Canterbury might be a little less then others, esp Wellington.
  
  One son doing year 3 next year and another starting next year. However we live about a 10 min walk from university and accomodation / food / internet / power for sons is free (for them).
  
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  October 17, 2025 11:45am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Hard to get into the hostels in Chch, though
    
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    October 17, 2025 1:51pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Very true, and a good sign of the popularity of Christchurch as an education destination. Plenty of flats available.
      
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      October 17, 2025 2:53pm
- Don Beckett
  
  Otago should be a hard ‘NO’ as well.
  
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  October 17, 2025 12:03pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    The plethora of thick people with non-STEM PhD’s have devalued the university degree system.
    I doubt that most of them would pass the old University Entrance exam.
    
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    October 17, 2025 1:17pm
- wsk12345
  
  Why would you even consider Otago. I hear from student friends that UC is the place to go these days. Good skiing most years, surfing, lower cost of living… )
  
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  October 17, 2025 12:49pm
virtualmark

Yesterday there was a chain of comments asking whether Hamas had now released all the women and children hostages from Gaza.

Overnight Israel announced that the body of the last remaining female hostage in Gaza, Inbar Hayman, had been returned yesterday.

She was kidnapped alive and died in captivity but there is, at least for now, no details about the circumstances of her death.
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October 17, 2025 9:50am
- Ehlana
  
  Curious as to why this was downvoted? Seems like a nuetral answer to questions asked to me.
  
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  October 17, 2025 1:59pm
mogg

Because Birmingham UK is now 30% Muslim and the under 18s make up 50% Muslim.
Aston Villa and the local police have banned Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters from attending their European cup football match, which is being played at Villa Park. So the people who support terrorism win again. Pro-Palestine marches which are just an excuse for Anti-Semitism and open threats of violence against Jews are now acceptable. This is all happening because many on Labours front bench are dependent on the Muslim vote.
I would suggest a good starting point would be, if UK
Police can not safeguard visiting supporters, then all European football games should be played elsewhere.
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October 17, 2025 10:57am
- kowtow
  
  Israel football team recently had a torrid time in Norway too.
  
  Much trouble from the “home” supporters.
  
  I do wonder how many were actually ethnic Norwegians .( no doubt they too have the loon Green element like we do here)
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/norway-pummels-israel-as-world-cup-qualifier-marred-by-hostility-in-stadium-and-outside/
  
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  October 17, 2025 3:11pm
  - Jack5
    
    From CIA World Factbook on composition of Norway’s population, 2021 figures :
    
    Norwegian 81.5% (includes about 60,000 Sami), other European 8.9%, other 9.6% (2021 est.)
    
    With population at 5.6 million, there were 10,605 immigrants in the second quarter of this year, down 2,220 on the second quarter of last year.
    
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    October 17, 2025 5:34pm
NothingLeft

UN lying about population collapse in South America.

Apparently the UN has a policy of publishing made-up fertility rates rather than actual data so as not to alarm people – apparently because they have an activist agenda that wants to decrease global population. Latin America is now in steep birth rate decline, For example in Columbia birth rates are now down to just above 1, and in Chile below 1, and on average for South America they are down to something like 1.4, with middle class fertility in particular cratering.

(From Malcom and Simone Collins, pro-natalists digging into this):
https://youtu.be/iPHXWBeYZr0?t=1104
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October 17, 2025 11:16am
Ghost

John Bolton has been indicted

https://d3i6fh83elv35t.cloudfront.net/static/2025/10/bolton-indictment.pdf
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October 17, 2025 11:33am
- NothingLeft
  
  All of the nefarious ‘deep state’ types who have operated a partisan agenda through means fair and foul (eg ‘Russian Collusion’ fabrication, incessant leaks, curated media editorializing and various lawfare cases) running counter to electoral polling and the politicians they have elected will likely hunker down and hang tough in response to these prosecutions, playing for time rather than copping to plea deals because they have an ace in the hole: As soon as they can get another deep state avatar puppet elected (like Biden, Clinton, Obama etc) they will all get pardons and likely financial sinecures via various back-channel govt funded NGO avenues.
  
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  October 17, 2025 12:35pm
Ghost

Instead of ruining things for everyone else, don’t take your son in there

A concerned father in Australia has called for shopping centres to ditch Halloween decorations in stores after a “traumatising” experience in Kmart with one of his children.

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October 17, 2025 11:46am
- OlderChas
  
  I wonder if he allows (or takes) the poor traumatised kid out trick or treating to get all the free lollies?
  
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  October 17, 2025 10:51pm
Ghost

Looks like the Kaipara District mayors complaint is around the Maori party

“The classic one is how the Māori Party co-opted a Whangārei District Council voting booth at Whangārei Unitec [NorthTec] and they put all their signs up saying vote for the Māori ward.”

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October 17, 2025 11:57am
NothingLeft

The internet is about to die due to AI slop: <5% AI generated content in 2020, 50% now, estimates 90% in 2026. It costs $0.01 to produce an AI generated article, vs $100's for a human created one.

Though pretty soon the AI authors will be smarter than humans so maybe that won't be so bad?
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October 17, 2025 12:40pm
- Eastlander
  
  The internet becoming nothing but AIs talking to each other will make the old ‘dead internet theory’ a reality won’t it?
  
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  October 17, 2025 3:23pm
- Jack5
  
  Certainly mountains of AI junk on YouTube.
  
  Long, repetitive, formulaic, and usually rip-offs of authentic material.
  
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  October 17, 2025 5:24pm
NothingLeft

Dr Dani Sulikowski’s research and commentary on female intrasexual reproduction suppression: A fascinating insight into instinctual unconscious tendency of women to try and reduce numbers of children that other women have – a result of evolution in resource limited environments where your kids had greater chance of survival if other women had less kids, now fully unleashed on world by advent of total female autonomy and birth control.

Once you see the inevitable existence of this instinctual drive you can understand a great deal more of the reason for malignant/sabotaging female behaviors towards each other. Frenemies and spiteful/bullying behaviors and advising women to make themselves less attractive and selfishly-focused. Abandoning relationships, families childrearing aspirations etc. Explaining this to all women would probably help provide recognition and counter to the nasty behaviors and improve everyone’s lives.

https://youtu.be/QFymYKyBX3E
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October 17, 2025 1:05pm
- NothingLeft
  
  What is new to me and is super-dark in this is that evolutionarily young women’s genes have a strong motive to bring down their society or tribe – wiping out older people and their children – because unlike everyone else in a typical conquest young women are not killed and become mothers of the succeeding generations being impregnated by the conquerors.
  
  They are thus likely to be a far larger fraction of the genepool in future generations after a conquest, and this means there is almost certainly an instinctual drive for them to foment revolution and destruction of their society – because they then inherit more resources and hold a greater fraction of the reproductive future. Explains their sexual fascination with foreign, ‘outsider’ men.
  
  Does this explain the destructive aspects of modern (young female dominated) left? Driven by evolutionary developed instinct to welcome male invaders and wreck their society to bring about destructive upheavals that make more space for their progeny to spread in the aftermath.
  
  Really explains so much of what we see in female voting preferences
  
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  October 17, 2025 5:42pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Tuku Morgan was on One News last night, praising Jim Bolger for the Tainui settlement but bemoaning the 1.2m acres of land lost on the Waikato.

No word that (albeit less steep) much of the Waikato then looked like the Ureweras do now.

I dunno what an acre of remote bush out that way is worth nowadays, but it won’t be much.
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October 17, 2025 1:56pm
- Colville
  
  Maybe two grand a hectare for the really rough shit? but given a lot of of would be river or lake front some of it would be a hundred times that. So maybe just 10 billion of land? 50 times their settlement.
  
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  October 17, 2025 3:19pm
  - Ehlana
    
    The difficulty, as always, is that the Crown largely sold the land and spent the money. So the only way to get any repayment is to take money from the current NZ population – which, of course, includes the members of the Tainui tribe themselves.
    
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    October 17, 2025 4:18pm
    - keepcalmcarryon
      
      How many of them are net tax payers?
      How much tax does Tainui pay?
      Seems this “partnership” is pretty one sided.
      
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      October 17, 2025 8:34pm
    - Colville
      
      It wasnt the Crown that got the land . The Crown just allowed it to be stolen.
      
      But semantics.
      
      The Crown gives them the 10 Bil$ and they pay their fair share in taxes…around 1.5%… so they only get back 9.850 Billion.
      
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      October 17, 2025 9:01pm
- NothingLeft
  
  It is ridiculous to try and redress the wrongs done to people long dead in the present. You don’t provide any justice to those wronged – they are a century past caring, you simple make new victims in those you enslave to pay the redress.
  
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  October 17, 2025 5:50pm
  - Colville
    
    So my Nazi grandfather stole your Van Gogh sunflowers and I have that hanging on my wall.
    You dont think you want to recover that value? really??
    
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    October 17, 2025 9:05pm
Swifty

The same damn local board:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/indonz/576196/police-confirm-electoral-fraud-complaint-in-auckland-local-body-election

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/labour-candidate-sentenced-over-electoral-fraud/5HDX5JMPN7CUKI3LUCFOF4MWHE/

I’m actually spewing over this. I’ll stop there before I get myself in trouble with the Mods.
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October 17, 2025 2:38pm
- Ghost
  
  Another one. I posted above you about the Māori party interfering in the election.
  
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  October 17, 2025 3:17pm
- Colville
  
  Swifty.
  2010 elect0ral fraud?
  its taken 15 years?? !!
  
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  October 17, 2025 3:51pm
  - Swifty
    
    I’m just pointing out that the local board with allegations of fraud in the recent local elections is the same local board where there was proven electoral fraud in 2010.
    
    BTW, I said at the time on here, and subsequently, the crook Daljit Singh should have been sent to the slammer for a number of years rather than just a few months at home as he got – as a deterrent to others.
    
    Imagine that, you arrive in a new country and within a few years start rorting their elections to get yourself elected.
    
    The fact that this gentleman still holds high office on various Sikh organisations gives me a very dim view of the Sikhs around him and of their culture generally.
    
    https://www.supremesikhsociety.co.nz/events/s-daljit-singh-once-again-chosen-to-lead-nz-central-sikh-association/
    
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    October 17, 2025 5:38pm
    - Swifty
      
      And look who he posed with in London just last year:
      
      https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1BJR7UXv3c/?mibextid=wwXIfr
      
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      October 17, 2025 9:15pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Dalit Singh’s from the Takanini Gudwara? Is that the same Gudwara that’s been sheltering Navjot Singh, the overstayer and his mother recently in the news?
        
        Sounds like Dalit Singh has little respect for NZ’s laws and mores.
        
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        October 17, 2025 10:54pm
    - Sir Henry Morgan
      
      Sikhs are much better than Muslims, but still bring many of the general issues associated with the Indian Subcontinent.
      
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      October 17, 2025 9:49pm
- Swifty
  
  Has there been treating going on as well?
  
  https://x.com/gregpresland/status/1978932271466852480?s=46
  
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  October 17, 2025 6:33pm
Ghost

The Age Of Disclosure gets a release date of November 21

Age Of Disclosure trailer

The Age of Disclosure is an unprecedented and revelatory film –featuring 34 senior members of the U.S. Government, military, and intelligence community– revealing a cover-up of the existence of non-human intelligent life and a secret war to reverse engineer technology of non-human origin.

The film exposes the profound impact the situation has on the future of humanity, while providing a look behind-the-scenes with those at the forefront of the bi-partisan disclosure effort.

It has an interesting line up of people in it

James Clapper – Former Director of National Intelligence
Marco Rubio – Secretary of State
Kirsten Gillibrand – U.S. Senator
Tim Burchett – U.S. Representative
Anna Paulina Luna – U.S. Representative
Mike Rounds – U.S. Senator
André Carson – U.S. Representative
Chris Mellon – Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
Hal Puthoff – Physicist and researcher
Eric Davis – Astrophysicist
Karl Nell – Retired Army Colonel
Jim Semivan – Former CIA officer
Jay Stratton – Former intelligence official
Tim Gallaudet – Retired Rear Admiral and oceanographer
Brett Feddersen – National security expert
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October 17, 2025 3:07pm
NothingLeft

Ridiculously agile wheeled quadruped robot. Turn them into centaurs with a couple of arms, scale them to different sizes and I think this configuration will come to dominate outdoor/utility robotic operations, agriculture (imagine a few per hectare of these managing crops instead of tractors) and military https://youtu.be/8RDpqm7tZDM
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October 17, 2025 3:22pm
NothingLeft

Non-binary identification amongst tertiary students has halved in last 2 years. No longer fashionable – showing it was always just a social contagion/influence thing for the silly wee sheep.

https://youtu.be/EFIhVxSiRnk
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October 17, 2025 3:41pm
Ghost

I’m sure we all said we would see this creep again

Teen rapist Jayden Meyer has been found guilty of sexually violating another teenage girl.

The latest violation occurred when he was 16, and hours after he’d been bailed on charges relating to the rape and sexual violation of five girls, for which he was later convicted.

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October 17, 2025 5:27pm
NothingLeft

Fascinating description of a Hadith that describes Mohammeds liason with a group of naked men in the desert one night:
https://youtu.be/vFa8XuI4YTA

And another Hadith on how the angel Gabriel would take the form of a very beautiful male friend of Mohammed’s when he would visit him in the night. And how a dog was blamed for preventing one of these visits, leading to Mohammed declaring them evil.
https://youtu.be/ZXCYh7TcKUw

Adds an interesting new dimension to Mohammed having sex with pre-pubescent wife Aisha. Sounds almost like an 80’s American televangelist. I can see why the Left are so enamored of Islam, Queers for Palestine and all that.
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October 17, 2025 5:28pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  With Islam its like a Reverend James Jones style cult somehow took hold and is still causing mayhem centuries later.
  
  The New Zealand government should just ban Islam. They should certainly stop further Islamic immigration.
  
  Besides Islam’s horrifically violent and intolerant nature, the endless fixation with sex is just weird,
  
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