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Cassandra

UK soccer team Aston Villa is playing Israel’s Maccabi Tel Aviv in Birmingham. British police have banned Maccabi supporters from the game because of the threat of rioting by Birmingham Moslems. In the good old days it would have been the Moslems banned or a riot squad (or even a company of the Black Watch with fixed bayonets) between the two sides.

Although he got the race wrong, Enoch Powell got it absolutely right when he envisaged the Tiber foaming with blood. It is appalling that Britain has fallen to this gutter level. All because of a stupid immigration policy.

The lesson is clear: bring in the people you need and make sure that they become New Zealanders (or Poms in the MTA/AV case above).
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October 18, 2025 8:01am
- sirknz
  
  Nah, let’s bring in 100k Indians from the subcontinent every year instead.
  
  – C Luxon
  
  Probably what he said…
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:06am
- MCōs
  
  The Maccabi Tel Aviv fans don’t seem to all be upstanding citizens
  https://x.com/muqadaam/status/1978889169460973671?s=61
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:11am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Read the actual Police details
    
    – Arabs used WhatsApp to coordinate attacks
    – Arab taxi drivers shared what hotels Maccabi fans were dropped off at
    – 64 “Dutch” were eventually arrested and only 5 Maccabi fans and of the injured all were Maccabi fans
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:27am
    - Don Beckett
      
      I note that the X post was made by a Arab, going by his name. Mmmm………… Bias much ??
      
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      October 18, 2025 10:48am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Yep and every tweet supporting the Villa ban is either from a Muslim or someone with “socialist/marxist” in their profile.
        
        But it’s not about Jews
        
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        October 18, 2025 11:20am
      - Jake Dee
        
        This is, once again the usual “Argument From Bias”. It’s a stupid fallacy and it doesn’t work.
        Always and everywhere.
        You can’t just point to some characteristic, declare that makes a person a member of some certain tribe or faction, then declare that makes the person biased and therefore what they say is false.
        MAYBE they are of that tribe or faction.
        MAYBE they are biased.
        MAYBE what they are saying is false.
        BUT if it is false then PROVE it false
        But you can’t just point to a tribal characteristic and claim therefore their statement isn’t worth listening to. Even a liar can tell the truth and even a Saint can make a mistake.
        Stop doing the Argument from Bias. It’s stupid and it doesn’t work.
        
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        October 18, 2025 8:53pm
  - CJames
    
    And what European soccer club doesn’t have hoons in its supporters? Go to any European city, even those in Switzerland, and they all have fortified police vans with teargas dispensers for the soccer riots.
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:32am
    - Southern Raider
      
      Yes every club has a small group of nutters but this isn’t about what Maccabi fans will do to others but the threat of gangs of Muslims targeting Maccabi fans
      
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      October 18, 2025 9:40am
      - Foxfour
        
        Maccabi supporters targeted other fans in Amsterdam.
        Why deny it ?
        
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        October 18, 2025 10:03am
      - Jake Dee
        
        Why shouldn’t be about what Maccabi fans will do to others? They’re not entitled to be judged by a different set of rules to any other group.
        Even a very small group of nutters can do massive damage to the community, especially in a politically charged atmosphere.
        The government’s first and most important responsibility is to ensure community safety, they do have some responsibility to the safety of visitors but have absolutely no obligation to support a foreign football club.
        
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        October 18, 2025 8:51pm
  - David George
    
    “Upstanding citizens” or not the violence against the Maccabi fans was planned before they even arrived.
    “The Telegraph has seen messages from a group chat called Buurthuis, a Dutch word for a type of community centre, which were posted on Wednesday, the day before the match.
    One message says: “Tomorrow after the game, at night, part 2 of the Jew Hunt.
    “Tomorrow we work them.”
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/08/jewish-maccabi-tel-aviv-fans-attacked-in-amsterdam/
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:41am
  - I remember when
    
    MCos: Not all upstanding citizens?
    They are football fans!
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:56am
  - grumpy
    
    Post hardly reeks credibility…
    
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    October 18, 2025 3:14pm
- Southern Raider
  
  And also
  
  – Muslim cleric in Aston area calling for effectively war against any Maccabi fans and Jews
  – the Pakistani MP who led the petition also is on record claiming the Hamas Oct 7 attacks were overstated by the Jews and not that bad
  
  Reality is the Police can provide thousands of cops to try and control Pro Palestinian protests but are too scared to protect the general public. They have effectively decided that the suburbs around Villa Park are a no go area for Police and Jews and the Labour Party and Starmer have enabled this.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:34am
- Scott
  
  It seems that there has been an outcry and the UK govt is reconsidering their decision.
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15202989/Ban-Israeli-football-fans-attending-match-Birmingham-lifted-days-ministers-scramble-beef-policing-Starmer-faces-questions-Labour-didnt-act-sooner.html
  
  That’s a good thing. Considering the war is supposedly over and Israel has withdrawn isn’t it time for hostility to end? To stop hating on Israel and the Jews?
  
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  October 18, 2025 10:27am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Even if weak Starmer gets it reversed it doesn’t fix the underlying issue of a growing number of MP, mayors and councillors in the UK who are radical Muslims and using their elected power to create Muslim only communities
    
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    October 18, 2025 11:22am
  - CJames
    
    Starmer is only reconsidering it because the massive public outcry. Even got UEFA opposing it. The Home Secretary knew about it a week ago and didn’t stop it then. Cloth ears is too mild a term.
    
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    October 18, 2025 12:58pm
    - Notsofast
      
      The home secretary is a muslim who brandishes free Palestine banners.
      She took the oath of office on the uniquely evil koran.
      
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      October 18, 2025 2:39pm
- mogg
  
  This ban will be overturned even slippry Starmer
  has had to admit they got it wrong. After the weekly pro Palestine marches having been allowed, they haven’t got a leg to stand on.
  
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  October 18, 2025 1:26pm
- Jake Dee
  
  Football riots in England have a VERY long history. The Lord Mayor of London banned football because of riotous behavior in 1314! And a long list of Kings issued edicts to do the same.
  Football is tribal warfare in miniature and (hopefully) by proxy. There are fights village vs. village, town vs. country, county vs. county, Catholic vs. Protestant (that’s a popular one still going on today), crew vs. crew, Mod vs. Rockers and now Jews vs. Muslims.
  It is NEVER the case that the blame is on one side alone, and it’s NEVER a good idea for the government to weigh in on supporting one tribal faction over the other.
  Shut down the whole thing until ALL people can behave themselves properly, not just one color of tribe.
  It’s also worth noting that on many occasions the most violent football hooligans “Ultras” have become the core of very dangerous paramilitary and even military groups, the Azovs from the Ultras of Dynamo Kyiv, being only the most famous example.
  Bullshit tribal warfare is the problem here, not the tribal warriors of only one particular tribe.
  Shut them ALL down!
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:02pm
CJames

It appears that the deal to put a tax on world shipping fuel as part of mandated carbon dioxide emissions reductions, with the money going to the UN, has been killed. Technically just adjourned for a year, but that was a face saving move. It is now a Norwegian Blue parrot.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3vnl0yxg53o
Looks like the world consumers have another thing to thank that “fascist” Trump for. Why does a narcissistic real estate developer from Queens do a lot more good for the hoi polloi than all the world’s diplomats and bureaucrats in the uniparties? Could that type of behaviour explain the rise of populist parties – the name implying distaste for the policies the mandarins sneer at?
Maybe eradicating carbon taxes and recognising the stupidity of the Paris agreement is next on the agenda for Winston/ David. Bring it on.
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October 18, 2025 8:01am
- artemisia
  
  This means without intervention the International Maritime Organisation previously estimated that by 2050 emissions could grow by between 10% and 150%.
  
  That sounds like a ridiculously wide range of assumptions. Aka ‘nobody knows’.
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:19am
  - PurplePen
    
    They should have just left it at “by 2050 emissions could grow.”.
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:18am
- artemisia
  
  Reform UK a case in point, with current polls astonishingly showing an outright House majority. A lot of time until the next UK election of course, but does indicate a groundswell that should have traditional parties doing some serious contemplation.
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:28am
  - NothingLeft
    
    On current polling there is not a lot left to contemplate for Cons and Labour. Now down to 17 and 15% respectively they’ll be wiped out, and are still trending down, meaning a few dozen seats each in 3rd to 5th place. almost all in cities for Labor (which tells you a lot about why they are pandering to Muslims).
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:29am
- Master Mariner
  
  This is a Tax on shipping, How the money is to be used is very vague to say the least.
  Is this Tax used to make up the short fall from US Funding for the UN ?
  There is no way Shipping will reduce to 2008 numbers and emissions by 2040.
  Ship Builders ( 90% Chinese in Tonnage) have 15 years to repair, rebuild and modify for the normal 20 year life span of a new Build vessel. ie some serious costs involved and profits for Chinese Ship Builders.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:31am
  - Nikola Donatello
    
    I just did an AI search. Estimates were that it would raise about $US 10 billion annually. The revenue would fund ‘rewards’ to low emissions ship companies. Also to research. Also major payments to developing nations to support a “just transition” to a low carbon future.
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:12am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep, Like I said all very “Vague”.
      
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      October 18, 2025 11:03am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Au contraire. Highly specific.
        
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        October 18, 2025 12:39pm
  - I remember when
    
    “How the money is to be used is very vague..”
    
    However, it won’t be as vague as finding out how it actually was used.
    
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    October 18, 2025 11:12am
Cassandra

“The Chris’s are talking. Prime Minister Christopher Luxon and Labour leader (and former Prime Minister) Chris Hipkins have been secretly talking about forming a “grand coalition” Nats/Labour Government after the next election, with a view to marginalizing the NZ First and ACT political parties.” Is this true? If so, I’m gobsmacked.
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October 18, 2025 8:02am
- Anthony Melchett
  
  I’d rather that than anything involving the greens or tpm.
  
  It actually would suit nz. A bland coalition that borrows, spends and enforces malrification if everything. They are the parties that most closely align.
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:06am
- sirknz
  
  It would mean the death of at least one of those two parties, but it would prove that National is just Labour in a blue dress.
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:08am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  Can you share your source?
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:15am
  - Ghost
    
    https://mcleanj.substack.com/p/poor-goldsmuck
    
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    October 18, 2025 8:21am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Good Oil about a week ago.
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:06am
- Ghost
  
  Some nobody on substack makes a stupid claim and you are asking if it’s true.
  
  In breaking news, scientist discover the moon is made from nz cheese,
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:21am
  - Taieri
    
    scientist discover the moon is made from nz cheese
    ——————
    
    Scientists discover many unusual things.
    
    For example:
    
    “Biologists now think there is a larger spectrum than just binary female and male”
    
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sex-redefined-the-idea-of-2-sexes-is-overly-simplistic1/
    
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    October 18, 2025 8:29am
    - CJames
      
      Read Jerry Coyne’s takes on those type of articles
      https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2024/03/04/science-essentialism-and-the-sex-binary/
      https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2025/08/20/scientific-american-reverts-to-unscientific-wokeness/
      https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2024/06/04/the-lancet-takes-the-position-that-sex-is-non-binary/
      To quote from the third link”Among all scientific or medical journals, The Lancet is the most woke, and I’ve written about it several times before, once calling it the “medical Scientific American“. ” Ouch.
      
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      October 18, 2025 9:42am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  I am gobsmacked that you are gobsmacked. 😅 That is not happening.
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:32am
  - Cassandra
    
    Good. It was a question.
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:24am
- grumpy
  
  Will never happen. The coalition is heading for another term and Luxon would be rolled by National for even suggesting it. Mind you, he is gutless enough to think about it and Hipkins desperate enough to go along.
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:34am
- DimChappie
  
  I googled this quote and it is near the end of this opinion piece at The Platform. The author says we can “take it as read.” I will need more evidence:
  
  https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/poor-goldsmuck
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:40am
- Philview
  
  The National Party wouldn’t survive such a Coalition and I am sure their strategists aren’t stupid.
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:45am
- Paulus
  
  Simply Bollocks !
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:14am
- PurplePen
  
  Ignoring the veracity of the news report and what way you lean, in a way it makes sense. If around 30% NZers currently vote for National and another 30% Labour, doesn’t that mean the majority are centrist and best represented by a coalition of these two.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:21am
- peterwn
  
  Most probably they do have occasional secret talks. Since the Opposition Leader would often has business in the lower levels of the Beehive, he could discreetly catch an elevator to the 9th floor without attracting undue attention. A coalition Prime Minister might at some point seek the help of the main opposition party to help diminish the power of the minor coalition members.
  As they say ‘Keep your friends close but your enemies closer’.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:40am
- rouppe
  
  After reading all the replies…
  
  The first thing that struck me was why just single out ACT and NZ First. The Green’s and the Maori Party are manifestly worse.
  
  But it seems to be a hack ruminating.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:42am
  - Dougal10
    
    It would also allow hipkins to dump his troublesome maori caucus so I could see him entertaining the idea.
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:08am
    - rouppe
      
      Yes it would allow it, but why doesn’t the author say it.
      
      One must always look at what isn’t said as closely as what is said.
      
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      October 18, 2025 11:48am
- Foxfour
  
  Simple answer is its NOT true .
  Whats your source ? Facebook
  As even what you have put in quotes cant be found its rubbish
  
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  October 18, 2025 10:06am
  - Cassandra
    
    Link above. As usual 44, an effort required, but its worth it.
    
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    October 18, 2025 11:03am
    - Foxfour
      
      Its ‘the Platform’ – Sean Plunkets rubbish site- better know as the ‘The Tip’
      
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      October 18, 2025 11:31am
- NoFax
  
  Makes the most sense. National and Labour agree on most things, and any differences are mostly performative. It would be a last grasp for the establishment parties, but they might do it to keep out the “extremists”. I don’t think it will happen next year, but it will probably happen at some time.
  
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  October 18, 2025 10:33am
- Rumblestrip
  
  Extremely improbable, but not impossible. Germany (another MMP nation) is being ruled by a Left-Right Grand Coalition right now.
  
  Hipkins is trapped in a nightmare as neither the Greens nor the Maori Party seem to be particularly desirable or even competent coalition partners. A LabNat coalition would release him from that dilemma. But the dyed-in-the-wool tribal Labourites would never let it happen.
  
  It’s hard to see why it would appeal to Luxon at all. Whatever occasional issues he might have with Act and NZ First, working with Labour would surely be much worse.
  
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  October 18, 2025 5:46pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Fun fact: Jim Bolger had as many kids as all of our PMs since.
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October 18, 2025 8:02am
- alwyn.a
  
  Really?
  And there was me remembering Bill English and his 6 children.
  With Ardern having 1, Shipley, Key, Hipkins and Luxon 2 each and English having 6 are you telling us that Bolger had 15 kids?
  
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  October 18, 2025 10:01am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Whoops – I forgot Bill & Mary – sorry!
    
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    October 18, 2025 12:44pm
  - Paulus
    
    I believe Nine Children and Eighteen Grand Children.
    
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    October 18, 2025 2:38pm
- MCōs
  
  That we know of!
  
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  October 18, 2025 10:36am
Anthony Melchett

Tragic, but if you let a 10 year old loose on a motocross bike what do you expect? Modern parents aren’t the smartest are they?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/sport/kids-are-still-dying-joint-inquest-called-into-four-motocross-crash-deaths/
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October 18, 2025 8:04am
- Ghost
  
  What’s wrong with 10 year olds riding motocross? Or skateboarding, or bmx, not everyone wants to be wrapped up in cotton wool all their lives. Children also die swimming, perhaps we should ban swimming, surfing, waterskiing, skiing, and let them sit in front of a computer screen all day and get fat.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:37am
  - Ghost
    
    Btw, for anyone who wants to see how dedicated these kids are
    
    Here is 4 year old Jaydin Smart riding motocross. Here he is 8 years latter still riding and winning
    
    Life has risks, welcome to earth. Back in school we’d get the helmet lady coming around to tell the school about her boy falling off his bike and being left a tetraplegic
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:13am
    - Swifty
      
      Oaten died just last month, just out of interest.
      
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      October 18, 2025 10:34am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    Where did I say it should be banned?
    
    I don’t care what you and your kids do as long as it doesn’t affect me.
    
    Just don’t be suprised if you let your kid do dangerous sports with no understanding of risk when they die.
    
    Do you really think BMX and skateboarding are the same as riding a motocross bike or are you just being ghost and arguing for fun?
    
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    October 18, 2025 5:13pm
    - Ghost
      
      Some people live their life to the fullest, some people live their life in fear. There is risk in everything, if you want to live your life in fear that’s your choice, but don’t act like an idiot towards those who don’t. Rather disgusting of you to attack the parents of this boy.
      
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      October 18, 2025 8:19pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Not correct. I was riding motorbikes at 10 and so were many of my mates.
  
  Just comes down to ensuring as with anything have the right protection and some supervision
  
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  October 18, 2025 10:49am
CJames

How many main-stream media organisations have admitted that Hamas has reinstated its reign of terror by executing people in the streets? The MSM that have seem to blame it on Trump and Israel – yeah right. Have the Greens condemned it – if not, why not? Wasn’t this terrorism group the one that Winston got castigated for because we wouldn’t recognise them as a legitimate government? Yet again it looks like our Government made the right call, though that won’t ever be acknowledged.
The anti-semites masquerading as progressives won’t accept their beliefs are ever wrong, let alone evil. And they wonder why they are a diminishing minority, albeit very vocal and given exaggerated prominence by MSM. Yet the luuvlies wonder why they are losing influence. How about they get out of their bubble? The real world does not involve them.
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October 18, 2025 8:04am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Living in Wellington and walking along Lambton Quay and The Terrace, one sees such an awkward collection of human beings. Clothes maketh the man, or otherwise, and all that. And if you think that’s bad, just take a stroll up Cuba St.
  
  Still, we can’t just blame Wellington. Increasingly the media lives in Auckland, so the Queen City has to own its share of luvvies-think.
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:12am
  - MCōs
    
    Not much has changed in Wellington over the last fifty years, then.
    Not so much what people wear, but people being judgmental about how their fellow citizens present themselves
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:07am
    - Don Beckett
      
      It’s called opinion – not judgementalism.
      
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      October 18, 2025 10:58am
    - Paulus
      
      I agree – it is 50 years ago in this December that we arrived in Wellington for three year contract, and stayed since there, and Auckland and Tauranga.
      Had 16 good years in CBD of Wellington , Auckland now Tauranga for 24 years.
      
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      October 18, 2025 2:43pm
- Nikola Donatello
  
  In the case of the Greens, I am speculating.. but I think they see the people being killed by Hamas as deserving to die for collaborating with Israel or for simply opposing Hamas.
  
  The real agenda of the Greens is the eradication of Israel as a Jewish state. Hamas shares that objective so the Greens do not criticise the actions of Hamas. If you asked these questions of our Green MPs you would never get a straight answer.
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:29am
  - Waipuk
    
    “ eradication of Israel as a Jewish state”. No, it is the eradication of the Jewish people, worldwide.
    
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    October 18, 2025 8:40am
    - MCōs
      
      That’s a bit harsh
      Never in my life have I been face to face with someone who’s expressed that view
      
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      October 18, 2025 10:11am
      - Swifty
        
        Head down to your local masjid and you’ll run into plenty.
        
        It is a prophesy of Mohammed that in the end times there will be a Great War, Muslims versus the Jews, and every Jew will ultimately be killed.
        
        In this even the trees and rocks will assist by calling out “ Oh Muslims, look behind me there is a Jew hiding.”
        
        Every serious Muslim regards this prophesy of Mohammed as factual and also inevitable.
        
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        October 18, 2025 10:33am
      - MCōs
        
        So some people on this forum have?
        
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        October 18, 2025 10:38am
    - Wandering Star
      
      “No, it is the eradication of the Jewish people, worldwide.”
      
      You see, this is where you lose people – nobody, ever, has sought the “eradication of the Jewish people worldwide.” If claims are to be taken seriously, they must have a grounding in fact, evidence, reasonableness and, especially, possibility.
      
      This sort of thing is just shameless rhetorical overreach, the kind of hysterical and delusional claim that just makes people roll their eyes and think “oh, brother, here we go again.”
      
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      October 18, 2025 10:35am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Ever read the Q’uran ?
        
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        October 18, 2025 11:00am
      - Swifty
        
        Islamic texts call for exactly that.
        
        Texts that a significant proportion of the ummah regard as literally true and without error – and which will all eventually come to pass as it is Allah’s will.
        
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        October 18, 2025 11:10am
      - Wandering Star
        
        “Ever read the Q’uran ?”
        
        “Islamic texts call for exactly that.”
        
        Which Islamic texts call for the eradication of Jewish people worldwide, and what exactly do the relevant passages say?
        
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        October 18, 2025 1:17pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        You could try Sahih Muslim 7339. “The Hour will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them, until a Jew hides behind a tree and the rock of the tree will say ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'”
        There are others, but you can look Wandering. You might just learn something you don’t know.
        
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        October 18, 2025 4:14pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        So, you cited one passage, but one that requires a great deal of supposition and extrapolation to conclude it is really saying to eradicate Jewish people worldwide.
        
        You go on to claim there are others, yet you conspicuously can’t cite them. “Just trust me, bro.”
        
        I think it’s reasonable, then, to conclude that the claims made above about Islamic scripture calling for the extermination of Jews worldwide are a fever dream of Zionist propaganda.
        
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        October 18, 2025 8:49pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        “nobody, ever, has sought the “eradication of the Jewish people worldwide.”
        
        Not entirely true.
        Christian Zionists seek and pray for the eradication of the Jewish people worldwide. Their theology has all Jews either accepting Jesus as the Messiah on the Day of Judgement or being cast into the pit of fire for all eternity.
        The Red Heifer, the Third Temple, Armageddon, the Final Battle. Look it up, it’s all rather amazing, these people are seriously working towards the end of the world.
        I wish I was joking but I’m not.
        
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        October 18, 2025 9:05pm
  - mogg
    
    The real long term objective of the Greens is the eradication of Democracy and the eradication of Capitalism.
    
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    October 18, 2025 2:26pm
- Foxfour
  
  Trump permitted Hamas to get back control – hes admitted it was in the deal
  
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  October 18, 2025 10:09am
  - CJames
    
    Did Trump actually do that? I put the question to co-pilot and got this:
    Did Trump permit Hamas to get back control of Gaza?
    No, President Donald Trump did not permit Hamas to regain control of Gaza. In fact, his administration has publicly opposed Hamas’s actions and called for its disarmament.
    
    📰 Here’s what happened:
    
    Trump brokered a ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas, which led to the release of Israeli hostages and Palestinian detainees.
    
    Despite the ceasefire, Hamas began reasserting control in Gaza, including public executions of rivals and crackdowns on opposition groups.
    
    Trump responded by warning Hamas to stop the violence and disarm, stating, “If they don’t disarm, we will disarm them. And it will happen quickly and perhaps violently”.
    
    He also emphasized that the U.S. would not directly intervene militarily, but that regional allies might act under U.S. auspices.
    
    So while Hamas has taken steps to reassert its grip on Gaza, this was not sanctioned by Trump. His peace plan aimed to stabilize the region, but Hamas’s actions have complicated its implementation
    Now what is your source or just another of your fact free assertions?
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:58am
    - Foxfour
      
      Thats just Trump changing his story ‘now’
      At the time he confirmed it
      look at the earlier dates around Oct 15
      
      “Well, they [Hamas] are standing because they do want to stop the problems, and they’ve been open about it, and we gave them approval for a period of time,” the US president saidon Monday.’
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360854846/public-executions-after-trump-leaves-hamas-control-gaza
      
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      October 18, 2025 11:35am
  - Rodney Hide
    
    I don’t see it there. It’s a 20 point plan. Read points 6 and 13. Obviously, there will be a struggle for ascendency but I suspect for hamas it might be FAFO.
    
    Rodney Hide
    
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    October 18, 2025 12:58pm
    - Foxfour
      
      Trouble is Trump is ‘on tape’ saying so.
      
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      October 18, 2025 5:55pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

OMG! The Chinese Communist Party will likely install trackers on our new ferries. They’ll know their exact course at any ti – wait, what?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360858384/why-are-nz-spy-agencies-involved-buying-china-made-cook-strait-ferries
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October 18, 2025 8:07am
- MCōs
  
  “Both Collins and Peters were asked whether the Chinese government or military could remotely disable the ferries if they wanted.”
  
  One can see where this is leading.
  Every time a ferry runs aground due to gross incompetence the blame will be diverted to retribution for a bad batch of kiwifruit or similar sent to China.
  
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  October 18, 2025 10:20am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Last time they got some unionists to suddenly forget how to drive the ferry and to then hit the South Island with it.
    
    Low tech, but very reliable.
    
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    October 18, 2025 11:33am
    - Ghost
      
      They were just trying to see if it was amphibious.
      
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      October 18, 2025 12:11pm
  - Foxfour
    
    Cheap and nasty is the output of Chinese shipyards.
    Will have heaps of maintenance issues as all the components will be chinese knockoffs
    
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    October 18, 2025 11:37am
    - Taieri
      
      Cheap and nasty is the output of Chinese shipyards.
      ——————–
      
      You get what you pay for.
      There are 3 Chinese built NZ flagged vessels trading on the coast right now. No problems of any note. The vast majority of overseas bulk carriers and container ships trading to NZ are also Chinese built. There are occassional breakdowns every now and then, but again, nothing out of what can be expected.
      
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      October 18, 2025 1:20pm
      - Foxfour
        
        Sure they are making simple commercial ships
        passenger – car ferries are more difficult. The Koreans would have struggled to get the details right as well
        Tasmania had two recently built in Finland and they needed fix ups
        
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        October 18, 2025 5:57pm
      - Taieri
        
        Sure they are making simple commercial ships
        passenger – car ferries are more difficult
        ——————
        
        They can build anything, including passenger ferries.
        
        https://maritime-executive.com/article/p-o-takes-delivery-of-world-s-largest-double-ended-hybrid-ro-ro-ferry
        
        I sailed on a couple of Chinese built specialist vessels. Can’t fault them.
        
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        October 18, 2025 7:02pm
      - Ghost
        
        You have no idea what you are talking about, as usual, fox
        
        I’d suggest if you go look up
        
        GNV Polaris
        GNV Orion
        
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        October 18, 2025 7:17pm
- Southern Raider
  
  All ferries by international law have trackers on them and anyone can see the data live
  
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  October 18, 2025 10:53am
  - Taieri
    
    SOLAS Convention requires that all ships over 300 of gross tonnage (GT) trading internationally, over 500 GT in domestic trades and all passenger ships of any size are to be fitted with AIS (Automatic Identification System).
    
    Ships’ positions can be tracked on sites such as for example marinetraffic.com
    
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    October 18, 2025 1:26pm
- Taieri
  
  The Chinese Communist Party will likely install trackers
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  This article is just a lot of drivel.
  About 30% of Boeing aircraft components are/were manufactured in China.
  Details here:
  https://boltflight.com/boeing-parts-manufacturers-a-comprehensive-overview-of-key-global-suppliers/
  
  Peters is right in dismissing all this nonsense.
  
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  October 18, 2025 1:46pm
bythesea

How come there is never a question about Egypt allowing refugees to escape temporarily from the war zone.
You would have half of the humanitarian crisis if the civilian population was in a camp on the other side of the Rafah crossing. (Even if they were penned in by a nervous Egyptian govt)

It is perhaps a unique situation where the civilians were locked up inside the conflict zone.

I think you could argue that Egypt and the UN committed a war crime by allowing this to be the case.
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October 18, 2025 8:19am
- rouppe
  
  And at least Jordan.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:52am
  - Christopher Thomson
    
    Why Jordan?
    
    They have no common border with Gaza.
    
    The residents of Gaza were Egyptian at the time of the 6-Day war.
    
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    October 18, 2025 12:02pm
    - rouppe
      
      Because they do have a border with the West Bank, any lasting Palestinian state has to include the West Bank, and they did participate in the earlier wars with Israel so they are interested in the outcome.
      
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      October 18, 2025 1:56pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Except that the last time Jordan gave refuge to Palestinian refugees, it didn’t work out so well for them.
    
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    October 18, 2025 12:47pm
    - rouppe
      
      I’m aware… The thing is, if they won’t take them, why should anyone else? I’m in the “put up or shut the fuck up” camp with respect to that.
      
      It is a perfect example of why we should avoid resettling Palestinians at all costs.
      
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      October 18, 2025 2:00pm
    - grumpy
      
      I always understood that the Jordanians were Palestinian and yet they still don’t want them?
      
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      October 18, 2025 3:24pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        Why did you “always understand” that?
        You probably have been told that, but why did you believe it?
        
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        October 18, 2025 9:09pm
Nikola Donatello

I just wanted to say that it is shocking that Paul Goldsmith has been silent on the attempted BSA takeover of regulation of speech on websites. It is yet another example of why I despair of the National Party.

Chris Luxon you have a perfect opportunity here to lead. Do something.
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October 18, 2025 8:21am
- grumpy
  
  Of course that is what should happen but you are talking about two of the wettest and weakest politicians in New Zealand.
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:40am
- Philview
  
  I read an article claiming he was prewarned by the BSA, so if true he knew about it before the Platform.
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:42am
  - Ghost
    
    It’s part of the no surprises. Public agencies have to give the minister a heads up about significant or controversial matter
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:26am
- peterwn
  
  No, better to let the situation blow itself out. The Authority would probably rather let go of this particular matter rather than losing in court.
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:49am
  - pdm
    
    pw not sure you are right.
    
    I think they will be happy to `die in a ditch’ on this one rather than back down.
    
    It might take Government legislation to disband them for them to get the message that they have overstepped the mark..
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:01am
  - Ghost
    
    I’m not sure they would lose in court. There would be a few judges who would want to see this win. The solution is an amendment, which i hope we will see in the next few weeks.
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:02am
    - wsk12345
      
      Why is an amendment needed? It’s already clear that policing the internet is not within its ambit!!!
      
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      October 18, 2025 9:08am
      - Ghost
        
        Is it clear to them? The BSA have been working on this since at least 2019
        
        https://www.bsa.govt.nz/assets/Proactive-disclosures/e869e50476/20191119-Letter-to-Broadcasters-Defintion-of-Broadcasting-Proactive-Release.pdf
        
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        October 18, 2025 10:05am
  - artemisia
    
    When do BSA Board members terms end?
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:28am
    - Ghost
      
      Susie Staley MNZM (Chair): Her term as Chair and member expires on November 30, 2028
      
      Karyn Fenton-Ellis MNZM: Her term as a member expires on May 31, 2028.
      
      John Gillespie: His term as a member expires on May 31, 2029.
      
      Aroha Beck (Tapuika): Her four-year term began on May 9, 2022, meaning her current term expires on May 8, 2026.
      
      From Gemini
      
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      October 18, 2025 9:50am
      - artemisia
        
        Thank you Ghost.
        
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        October 18, 2025 9:54am
  - rouppe
    
    You think a court that decides “destroy or otherwise dispose of” a patch means give back to the person it was confiscated from, would be unable to decide “telecommunications” includes live streaming internet content?
    
    What’s most interesting to me is that broadcasters covered by the BSA are required to pay a levy. How is it that over the course of the several years the BSA has been of this opinion, their first action hasn’t been to demand a levy, but to treat The Platform as though it had?
    
    The complaint, as frivolous as it is, looks like a stitch up to achieve an unsaid purpose.
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:00am
- nathie
  
  On the other hand could it be that Goldsmith, like just about everyone else that is sane, realises that the BSA are on a hiding to nothing so is sitting back whilst the BSA is shooting itself in the foot?
  
  Anyway I do agree that it is time that Goldsmith talked about the non-operational aspects of the BSA situation (would think he is getting legal advice on the matter first surely).
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:55am
  - pdm
    
    Nathie your first para does not sound like Goldsmith.
    
    I am not sure he is that smart.
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:36am
- Notsofast
  
  Maybe it is true they forewarned Goldsmith. Maybe Goldsmith wants rid of the Platform to comply with Mr Luxon.
  He declined to appear on the platform recently on another matter as he said it would seem to be interfering with the judiciary. Can’t remember exactly what.
  The horror in this matter is that an organisation of 12, who hardly deliver any work, would side with a halfwit agitator for claiming it is racist to call Tikanga in firefighting mumbojumbo.
  It is related to the higher risk for those with some maori ancestry to have house fires, than the general population.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:16am
  - Ghost
    
    And do tell us why Luxon or goldsmith want to get rid of the platform, minsters from this government are regulars on it. Even Paul Goldsmith goes on it
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:22am
    - pdm
      
      Luxon refuses to.
      
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      October 18, 2025 10:48am
      - Ghost
        
        And does that mean he wants to get rid of it? No. Just to be more factual, luxon hasn’t been on it as prime minister, he went on it before becoming PM.
        
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        October 18, 2025 10:51am
- JJ56
  
  Just to repeat myself, Goldsmith has to keep himself above this. Imagine a world where you actually take action on this stuff instead of posting here, and complained to the Minister seeking to get the BSA Chair removed (as is the process), and said Minister had shot his mouth in public. The BSA Chair would have a field day.
  
  Its called an own goal on your account.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:57am
Nikola Donatello

I was just thinking last night… Julie Anne Genter has been very quiet for the last few months. Online searches show very little activity. I’m not complaining. Just wondering what or who silenced her.
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October 18, 2025 8:24am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The keffiah-wearing workshy have been waving their flags every Friday morning from the Hawkestone St overbridge, which is 100m from parliament. I’m mildly surprised that Genter has not been photographed at the heart of the mob.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:00am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Unlike 12 Green list MPs, JAG has an electorate to work for.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:02am
  - Boy Geoff
    
    Chloe does a phenomenal job for Tamaki Makaurau. – clear damehood material that girl!
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:14am
  - PurplePen
    
    Isn’t Chloe an electorate MP. I gather she’s not shown any interest in the demise of her electorate. Long may that continue in the hope her party loses the seat.
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:25am
    - Foxfour
      
      There is no demise of Auckland central electorate.
      Just lost part of Newmarket and gained around Western Springs
      
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      October 18, 2025 10:16am
  - pdm
    
    Maggy I doubt that means she works in it – other than to go around abusing shopkeepers and their customers.
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:37am
- Notsofast
  
  She may be against the attempted genocide by Hamas on october 7.
  Or be concerned about the environment.
  More of a Jeneatte Fitzsimons type.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:21am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Ms Genter is a climate catastrophist and a two-wheels-good, four-wheels-bad type.
    
    None of which makes her an environmentalist. She’s much more well known for plugging cycleways to the detriment of all others than she is for planting trees or picking up litter.
    
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    October 18, 2025 12:52pm
Flossie

Good news that Prince Andrew has finally realised what a liability he is to the British monarchy and is “voluntarily” giving up his titles. Better to say that than admit you were pushed! A bonus is that his ex wife will no longer be Duchess of York.
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October 18, 2025 8:38am
- grumpy
  
  A lesson for “Spares” everywhere…..
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:43am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I feel just a bit sorry for Andrew. He was born out of his time, and he only seems to see that belatedly. None of that excuses his behaviour down the years, but a hundred years ago, none of this would have hit the headlines.
  
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  October 18, 2025 8:49am
  - rockape
    
    Me too. He was in. The Falklands at the same time as me. Good helicopter pilot and did duty decoying missiles away from the task force. So not all bad but a bit lacking in morals but who isn’t?
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:53am
    - Jack5
      
      Hope he was more sensible driving a helicopter than in his Range Rover:
      
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3494501/Prince-Andrew-rammed-closed-park-gates-80-000-Range-Rover-avoid-one-mile-detour-home.html
      
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      October 18, 2025 1:07pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    Even 100 years ago this would have been dealt with and probably much more effectively.
    A Prince of the realm and a Royal Duke falling under the influence of a Jewish financier? That would have been dealt with.
    500 years ago a man in such a situation would probably have been given the option of either going on a crusade to the Holy Land to retain his titles and honor, or to renounce all his titles and go to a monastery and pray for the rest of his life to save his eternal soul from damnation.
    The good old days.
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:18pm
- peterwn
  
  He probably decided it is better to live ‘privately’ rather than have his freedoms limited by titles and responsibilities. Every Royal probably has thoughts from time to time that it would be nice to be a commoner and be able to live a more private life. The late Queen Mother did not want her husband to be King with all the responsibilities it entailed which also affected her two daughters. But when it happened she put her heart and soul into helping to ensure the success of three Monarchs – her husband, her daughter and her grandson.
  Sir Winston Churchill was offered a hereditary peerage (life peerages came later) after WW2 but declined it so as not to encumber his family especially his son with the implications of a hereditary peerage.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:06am
  - rouppe
    
    I’d imagine that his decision to offer to put his titles “in abeyance” was lubricated with generous allowance or stipend provisions.
    
    And putting them in abeyance means he’s not stripped of them which would put him in the company of Benito Mussolini, Robert Mugabe and Nicolae Ceausescu.
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:08am
  - Flossie
    
    I don’t think Andrew ever wished to be freed of titles etc. He has clung on by his fingernails to every decoration he was given. I recall seeing him decked out in the Order of the Garter garb at an entirely inappropriate time. And surely his ex wife could have long since divested herself of any connection to royalty by becoming plain Sarah Ferguson.
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:12am
  - Swifty
    
    I understand that Winston declined a peerage so that he, and Randolph, would continue to be free to continue their careers as MPs in the House of Commons.
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:21am
  - Foxfour
    
    Thats a myth about the late Queen Mother and her husband. Spread by the Windsor’s themselves.
    If they really didn’t want the throne, the Act of Abdication could have included part to change the succession to another of Alberts younger brothers- Say Duke of Kent who married a Greek and Danish Princess, Marina
    
    Just as in the mid 1950s the regency act was changed to exclude Princess Margaret from being a regent until Charles came of age ( around 1965?). Even more interesting it inserted Prince Philip as a possible regent instead of her or the next in line
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:24am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Some years ago I knew a guy who worked in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. This was when Andrew was a Special Ambassador for the Government but in reality doing dodgy deals for himself and Fergie with dodgy Arabs. He said they used to do whatever they could to avoid have to go out these trips with Andrew. He was an entitled prick and made their lives hell running after him. Andrew was ruined by his Mother given everything he wanted. Pity the Poms dont have an Empire. Charlie could exile him to some remote hell hole to live out his days.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:34am
  - MCōs
    
    Pity the Poms have such an extensive royal family – full stop.
    Other places with a monarch don’t.
    We don’t.
    We get by with the governor general who attends to some formalities and nobody knows if she even has a family.
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:34am
  - Manu-Rau
    
    Andrew is already living in a hell-hole, surrounded by an alien, stone-age culture.
    
    Londonistan.
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:51am
    - Foxfour
      
      Before the 1970s it was all blamed on rogue Irish…LOL
      
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      October 18, 2025 11:39am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    There are still vestiges of the British Empire, lingering on in the fringes.
    
    Governor of St Helena has a nice ring to it.
    
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    October 18, 2025 12:55pm
Yvette

“Whoever knew” department, or accidental finds –

Legal protection for Māori words: New Zealand has specific legal protections for Māori words, names, and images, particularly through the Trade Marks Act 2002, according to RNZ [1] and the Intellectual Property Office of New Zealand. [2]
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Noa is the opposite of tapu and includes the concept of being common. Noa also has the concept of a blessing as if it can lift the rules and restrictions of tapu from a person or object. To associate something that is tapu, with something that is noa, is offensive to Māori.
Craft Beer breweries and food products both in New Zealand and around the world have been increasingly accused of cultural appropriation. Any food or beverage product that has a Māori element will need to use the Tapu and Noa principles as food and beverages are considered noa. If you add a picture of a person, Māori art, various Indigenous species or images such as Tiki to food or beverages, then the product will likely be offensive as all of these elements are considered tapu. [1]

Inane Application Department
To what extent do Members of New Zealand Parliament, in expressing tapu elements offend by their noa actions?
How smart is the move to introduce tikanga in New Zealand law and Parliament procedures?
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[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/life/people/identity/can-companies-legally-use-maori-names
[2] https://www.iponz.govt.nz/get-ip/trade-marks/practice-guidelines/current/maori-advisory-committee-and-maori-trade-marks/ to see how ‘taonga’ may now be defined, rather than its meaning in the Treaty – objects acquired mainly at the point of a spear
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- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Noa and Tapu…
  seems like there’s a business opportunity for some tohunga here…much like Halal butcheries and Kosher delis.
  
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  October 18, 2025 10:23am
  - Yvette
    
    Maggy, seems like there’s a business opportunity
    TIRA, Tū Kotahi is leading cultural change in Aotearoa, assisting organisations and groups to connect with te ao Māori – advertises regularly in the space either side of kiwiblog
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:34am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  So images of flora and fauna that were in NZ when maori arrived are their property. This is such a massive overreach. On what grounds do they own the IP for those images?
  
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  October 18, 2025 3:11pm
Jack5

Green dreams …

Liquid air technology’s being suggested as an energy storage capacity to support renewable electricity generation.

Apparently, the idea’s half a century old, but hasn’t been implemented.

Here’s the BBC’s description:

First, air is taken in from the surroundings and cleaned. Second, the air is repeatedly compressed until it is at very high pressure. Third, the air is cooled until it becomes liquid, using a multi-stream heat exchanger: a device that includes multiple channels and tubes carrying substances at different temperatures, allowing heat to be transferred between them in a controlled way…

[Then] … When the grid needs extra energy, the liquid air is put to work. It is pumped out of storage and evaporated, becoming a gas again. It is then used to drive turbines, generating electricity for the grid. Afterwards, the air is released back into the atmosphere.

A fizzer?

Anything but gas, or coal, or nuclear …

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20251009-the-liquid-air-alternative-to-fossil-fuels

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October 18, 2025 9:02am
- Ian Boag
  
  Bit of nightmare efficiency-wise. You use a whole lot of energy compressing the gas – much more than you will bet back from expanding it.
  
  The shaft (energy used in the compression) would be either electrical or maybe something like diesel. The input energy to the compressors would be a whole lot more than the amount that goes into the actual compression process which in turn would be a whole lot more than the energy generated in the expansion phase.
  
  Sorry ….. 🙁
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:18am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Some very rough numbers. The efficiencies of compression and expansion stages are about 80%. The compressor would probably be driven by a gas turbine (efficiency 80%) or fossil power (efficiency 40%) or hydro,
    
    So – if we put 1Mw of power into the compressor we would get about 65% out (80% x 80%). If the compressor was driven by a gas turbine the input energy to the turbine would be 1.25 Mw or so reducing the overall efficiency to about 50%.
    
    If talking about coal fired electricity the input energy to the coal power station would be something like 2.5-3Mw to get 1Mw into the compressor and 0.65 Mw of useful electricity.
    
    Thermodynamics is such unfriendly stuff 🙂
    
    And now you know why this century-old idea has not found any traction so far ….
    
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    October 18, 2025 9:38am
    - David George
      
      Compressing the air generates a lot of heat, perhaps that heat could be used for some, say, industrial process to help close the thermodynamic circle?
      
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      October 18, 2025 9:53am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Low grade (not very hot) heat generated at random intervals is not a lot of use for anything much. Otherwise we would have heat recovery units in every car exhaust 🙂
        
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        October 18, 2025 9:57am
      - Ian Boag
        
        I asked chatgpt – the answer summarised to an RTE (round trip efficiency) of 40-50%. That would also involve using the compression heat in the regasifying bit of the sytem … from a thermodynamic point of view (I used to teach this stuff at uni) it made sense.
        
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        October 18, 2025 10:09am
    - Taieri
      
      The compressor would probably be driven by a gas turbine (efficiency 80%)
      —————-
      
      The best you can get in combined cycle (gas and steam) is just over 60%. Gas turbine alone will reach 40% at the best.
      BTW: gas is also a fossil fuel.
      
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      October 18, 2025 1:35pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      Not found any traction?
      Soviet T-34 tank had compressed air cylinder to turn over their diesel engines in the 1940s.
      Hydraulic accumulator towers, a very similar concept for energy storage using pressurized water were in use on a large scale at least as early as 1852.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_accumulator
      The larger point being that there is never going to be a single silver bullet to solve all our energy generation and storage needs, it’s not fossil fuels, it’s not electric vehicles it’s not any one thing.
      circumstances, scale, budgets, requirements are all different.
      
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      October 18, 2025 10:20pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    If your running the compressor on an electric motor powered by intermittent renewables then any energy that can be stored for later use is a positive.
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:10pm
- peterwn
  
  It would be an alternative to pumped storage hydro which is about 80% efficient due to electrical losses, friction losses and evaporation.
  Liquid air storage efficiency on its own is about 25%. It would increase to 70% if the generation cycle is a component of a combined cycle generation scheme. There is also an evaporation issue. Ideally if the container is 100% insulated there is no evaporation. However such a container is never 100% insulated, so some liquid will turn to gas and must be allowed to escape continuously (whether to do work or just to atmosphere) otherwise the container will explode in due course.
  The advantage over pumped storage is that there would be no scenery, waterways, snails, etc to be disturbed.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:30am
  - Jack5
    
    Where will the water come from for a pumped storage system on the scale of Labour’s Lake Onslow idea?
    
    In that case, filling it would take years of taking water from the water used on the Clutha dams. Then it would compete with them to maintain its level.
    
    Surely we aren’t near NZ’s geothermal potential, let alone tapping into known carbon resources in coal and coal-seam gas, and likely carbon resources in offshore gas.
    
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    October 18, 2025 11:23am
    - Ian Boag
      
      I think the idea of pumped storage is there is a top lake and a bottom lake. The water is cycled between them using cheap power like middle of the night wind and the like ….
      
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      October 18, 2025 11:33am
      - Foxfour
        
        Yes. But absurdly expensive.
        
        We already have a one way power station equivalent . Manpouri
        200m drop between lake and turbines
        Lake – Combined Te Anau and Manapouri lakes
        
        As it was built for Ti Wai Pt smelter who are always threatening to leave. Take their offer and wave goodbye
        
        The Manapouri output be soley held in reserve for those peak power requirements , not used everyday. Transpower have ownership and water not used runs down the river like it used to.
        Best of all doesnt require power to pump uphill as the lake reserve is so large.
        The location at bottom of South Island isnt ideal but then so isnt Onslow scheme proposed
        
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        October 18, 2025 11:50am
      - wsk12345
        
        Transpower certainly doesn’t own generation
        
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        October 18, 2025 2:47pm
    - Paulus
      
      But, But, all the water comes from the Maori !
      
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      October 18, 2025 2:56pm
- PurplePen
  
  Early 2000’s there was a French car manufacturer that built a prototype car that runs on compressed air. You plug it in and an on-board compressor fills a tank with compressed air. Haven’t heard anything from them since.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:30am
- NothingLeft
  
  Hydrogen electrolysis and liquefaction for storage is a little better at around 40-50% round trip efficiency, but at $100/MWh that probably means $300/MWh for the stored energy.
  
  CATL has just announced Naxtra sodium cells with manufacturing cost down to about $20/kWh once manufacturing is scaled up. good for many thousands of cycles. That’s easily cheap enough to do storage for cycling a dozen times a year – to cover cloudy periods or a cold snap of a week or two and to have capacity to charge an EV overnight in a home for a battery cost of $5-10,000 to complement rooftop PV, and on the edge of being cheap enough for summer/winter storage (need to store about a third of summer production for winter use)
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:52am
  - Stu2
    
    Yes, I was just going to mention the sodium based batteries CATL is about to bulk produce. They will last a very long time.
    
    We also need the cost of home storage to more align with the battery prices, rather than with vast markups and margins. Car battery packs are currently far better value than home batteries, based on the same/similar cells.
    
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    October 18, 2025 10:17am
  - Foxfour
    
    Ah. The – recent invention just tested in small scale in a lab – which will work like a dream ‘scaled up’
    
    The Futeranium approach
    
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    October 18, 2025 6:01pm
- Dougal10
  
  They would be more efficient winding up a big coil spring or pushing a big weight with an attached rope to a turbine up a mountain. Both of which are as stupid as pumped storage and compressed gas
  
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  October 18, 2025 10:22am
  - greybeard
    
    I reckon a whole lot of these joined together might do the trick……
    https://www.petstock.co.nz/products/pet-one-mouse-wheel-assorted-colours
    
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    October 18, 2025 12:29pm
- Handyman
  
  The solution to New Zealand electricity generation is simple…
  
  Forget pumped hydro and batteries. Treat weather dependent generation as a way of conserving hydro water. Windmills are just a way to conserve precious hydro water.
  During the winter season, contract say 1GW of generation from Huntly as a base load (same as geothermal does now), then allow wind power up to a percentage that doesn’t destabalise the system, then allow the hydro people to optimise the use of water.
  
  Note this ignores imported LPG, which will be too expensive to use for regular electricity generation.
  
  This approach will maximise energy security immediately at no capital cost and at the lowest unit cost of production.
  
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  October 18, 2025 11:34am
  - kowtow
    
    Coal.
    
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    October 18, 2025 7:48pm
Jack5

The Grand Old Duke of York
He couldn’t rule his dork

So the King’s marched him down the hill.

The Daily Mail says Andrew falls on his … sword.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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October 18, 2025 9:18am
- Sparrow
  
  As a Republican would not normally be interested in a bunch of German/Greek troughers. As an ex Pom I detested the class system which these troughers were at the top of
  By chance I came across an interview with the author of a book about the Yorks called Entitled it pricked my interest. If I had not been a Republican before reading the book would certainly have become one after reading it
  Why the Brits put up with this lot is beyond me, fortunately they are 12000 miles from us which suits me as they can stay there. Can continue with the farce of a GG better than some ex deadbeat politician as a President
  
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  October 18, 2025 5:29pm
- Jake Dee
  
  The Grand Old Duke of York
  He paid 3 million quid
  To a woman he’d never met,
  for something he never did.
  
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  October 18, 2025 9:38pm
Swifty

A long piece from Tamihere, regarding the seabed etc.

https://www.facebook.com/share/1Br3WxMxwc/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Interested in the thoughts of others.
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October 18, 2025 9:27am
- Yvette
  
  AI précis –
  We Will Not Go Back
  Aotearoa stands at one of its most dangerous moments — and too few are naming it for what it is: theft. Not just of the foreshore and seabed, but of rights, justice, and constitutional integrity.
  
  The Theft of Foreshore and Seabed Rights and Regulatory Standards Bill is no tidy reform; it’s a Trojan horse. While eyes are fixed on the Treaty Principles Bill, this one moves quietly to strip Māori rights, weaken the courts, and centralise power in Parliament — undoing fifty years of constitutional progress.
  
  For decades Māori have trusted the system: courts, the Waitangi Tribunal, the law. Now that same system is being rewritten to silence us. I’ve seen this before — in 2004 — when political power overrode justice. Never again should any government erase Māori rights by decree or disguise confiscation as “public good.”
  
  This is not a Māori issue alone. When politicians overrule courts, everyone’s rights are at risk. Power that can silence Māori today can silence anyone tomorrow.
  
  We will not return to 1970s thinking. The foreshore and seabed belong to all of us — and “all” includes Māori. You can regulate everything but mana, legislate everything but whakapapa.
  
  We will not go back.
  __________________
  
  The article frames Maori (all, including the Elite) as under-dog … again; that fifty years of careful but incremental advances are to be ripped away by Coalition decree in just a couple of months.
  It does not mention the surge of Aryan exceptionalism under six years of Labour or, for example, the Supreme Court introduction of takanga into Law, or that the haka which echoed around the world was an impolite interruption of a Parliamentary process already in progress, and already delayed three times by Chloe Swarbick.
  It is as unbalanced as the threat John Tamihere claims Maori face.
  It is divisional and offers no solutions.
  
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  October 18, 2025 10:26am
- CJames
  
  Can’t say it interests me.
  Isn’t Tamihere yesterday’s man, still trying to find relevance while his creations destroy themselves? How is Waipouwera Trust getting on? I can’t imagine too many government contracts going their way and other income sources will be few and far between.
  As Tamihere was always put forward as the face of urban Maori, How is his relationship with iwi leaders going? I can’t imagine many would want to associate with him.
  
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  October 18, 2025 10:40am
  - Paulus
    
    From the millions Tamahere gets he should be well satisfied but still want power as well. !
    
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    October 18, 2025 2:58pm
Morgan H

I feel the reason National will never remove the Maori seats is because it relies too heavily on fearmongering. The Maori seats are the only thing keeping the Maori Party in parliament. National strategists will have to think of other ways to convince people to vote for National, hopefully through actually enacting policies which are beneficial to Kiwis.
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October 18, 2025 10:11am
- MCōs
  
  The Nats changed the law to ensure the Maori seats can’t be easily abolished. The law could be changed changed back again as a precursor to to removing those seats, but the political fallout wouldn’t be worth the trouble.
  Furthermore
  In the current parliament the Maori Party has a two seat overhang because their party vote is only 3%.
  In an election without the Maori Party that 3% would undoubtedly go to Labour
  
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  October 18, 2025 10:20pm
Dougal10

Otago sheep station that started life as a gold mine turns back into a gold mine but if you read the news it seems a tragedy .
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October 18, 2025 10:54am
- Jack5
  
  Gold futures prices on COMEX have risen for the ninth week in succession, and given the biggest nine-week gain for 14 years.
  
  Futures for October delivery this week gained $US214 a Troy ounce, to $US4189.90, the Wall Street Journal reports. That’s about $NZ7,323 an ounce.
  
  COMEX, the metals-futures exchange in New York, handles four-fifths of the world’s gold futures trading. Each day traders echange 200,000 to 300,000 contracts, each representing a hundred ounces of gold. Less than 3 per cent of the contracts result in gold changing hands.
  
  The next most important gold trading centres are the London Over the Counter Market, the Shanghai Futures Exchange, and the Shanghai Gold Exchange.
  
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  October 18, 2025 1:00pm
I remember when

Centrist:
Study links fall in trans and queer identity among young Americans partly to improving mental health:

And here was me thinking it was a left-wing ‘protest’ movement.
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October 18, 2025 11:00am
Jack5

Get the flags right …

With schools, polytechnics and the like flying the Maori flag beside the national flag, they know the country’s official flag protocol, which covers even how the flag should be folded.

The New Zealand flag should always be given the “position of honour in New Zealand” except when flown with the Royal or Governor-General flags.

Separate protocol for the NZ Maori flag — the Tino Rangatiratanga flag — is in the second link below.

In 2009, after an initiative by Pita Sharples during the John Key Coalition, the Tino Rangatiratanga flag, while not being given official status, was recognised by the Government as the “preferred Maori flag”. Sharples, of the Maori Party, was Minister of Maori Affairs.

As New Zealand doesn’t recognise the state of Palestine, our flags protocol doesn’t affect displays of the khaffei pattern.

Examples of the protocol:

For two or more flagpoles parallel to the building line, the New Zealand flag should be the first flag on the left when you’re looking at the main entrance.

When there are two or more flagpoles on the forecourt of a building at an angle to the main entrance, the New Zealand flag should be flown on the outermost pole when flagpoles are to the left of the main entrance, and on the innermost pole when flagpoles are to the right.

On the death of a former prime minister the flag is flown on the announcement of the death and on the day of the funeral.

NZ flag protocol:

https://www.mch.govt.nz/our-work/flags-anthems-and-emblems/new-zealand-flag/display-rules-new-zealand-flag

Maori flag protocol:

https://www.mch.govt.nz/our-work/flags-anthems-and-emblems/new-zealand-flag/tino-rangatiratanga-flag
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October 18, 2025 12:38pm
Swifty

Tractor prang.

https://x.com/clarksonsfarm1/status/1979269965879410812?s=46

Does this look like NZ to you?
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