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Yvette

The late Maori King, Kiingi Tūheitia –

While his speech to more than 10,000 people at Tūrangawaewae Marae in Ngāruawāhia was largely optimistic, Kiingi Tūheitia criticized the Government’s Treaty Principles Bill, which aimed to redefine the Treaty principles, and called for Te Tiriti o Waitangi (the Treaty of Waitangi) to be written into legislation so politicians “can’t change nothing” [1]

Perhaps Kiingi Tūheitia was not fully aware that Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975 [2] Schedule 1, being a copy of The Treaty of Waitangi, the “Text in English” followed by the “Text in Maori”, so covers “writing the Treaty into New Zealand legislation.” It is there in law in black and white.

He didn’t make specific references to any proposed legislation but did indicate his strong condemnation for the Treaty Principles Bill, created by Act and agreed to in its coalition with National. “There’s no principles, the Treaty is written. That’s it.”

This speaks for itself, as should the Treaty. It is what it is, otherwise the Treaty itself should have said so: “We the people …” or define “kāwanatanga” compared to “rangatiratanga” – even if that made the Treaty a couple of sentences longer.

The King expectedly focused on preserving the Treaty and warned against accepting its use in the judicial system as an accurate interpretation. “Don’t look to the courts to understand the Treaty, look to the marae.”

Does this mean Kiingi Tūheitia approves of ‘tikanga’ in Law or not? “Warned against accepting its use in the judicial system as an accurate interpretation” so that is not “the Treaty is written. That’s it.” – damn!

So an opinion is that, rather than being a living foundation document for the nation, the Treaty is a rushed real estate agreement [3], and Article 2 concerns the chattels of the time.
There is no mention of the 1835 Declaration, the difference between that terminology of “chieftainship” and, just five years later, the emphasis on the “governance” concept of the Treaty, without any comparison one to the other. That alone warrants removal of it as any so-called Principles in Government legislation.

Why found a nation on such a flawed document, especially as it is a covenant between Maori and the Crown and so discriminates against the remaining 80 percent of New Zealand’s population, who are not mentioned in the Treaty – “the Treaty is written. That’s it” – unfortunately.
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[1] all Kiingi Tūheitia quotes – https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/maori-king-calls-for-hope-over-protest-while-dismissing-govt-treaty-bill/M2EXZG3JLNHTPFKEEUFK7Z5QXY/
[2] https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1975/0114/latest/whole.html#DLM435834. – Schedule 1
[3] being why it is a compulsory study for real estate agents
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October 21, 2025 8:01am
- RoboRob
  
  I hope the king and all his peoples are going to start offering to sell all their lands to the government first. Obviously the ‘king’ will have to revoke his title too. After all thats whats written in the treaty bro.
  
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  October 21, 2025 8:54am
  - pdm
    
    RR King Tuheitia died over a year ago.
    
    We now have a Maori Queen who if she is like her Grandmother will be an asset to Tainui and New Zealand.
    
    If she is like her father then Tuku Morgan will probably continue to dominate in his activist adviser role.
    
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    October 21, 2025 10:46am
- kowtow
  
  The treaty has somewhat less to do with Maoris and much more to do with the contest between the London Establishment and the NZ Company , this latter literally airbrushed , deliberately, out of history in a way that wod make Stalin proud.
  
  That’s what article 2 and land sales is all about .
  
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  October 21, 2025 8:55am
  - Yvette
    
    Kowtow, so those who would study the Treaty should indeed study real estate rather than the other way round as in the Janet Dickson case
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    Janet Dickson was required by the Real Estate Authority to complete a mandatory course called Te Kākano about Māori culture and the Treaty of Waitangi, but she refused. Dickson’s legal challenge to the mandatory training was dismissed by the High Court, which upheld the Real Estate Authority’s power to implement such requirements.
    
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    October 21, 2025 9:45am
- rouppe
  
  Don’t look to the courts to understand the Treaty, look to the marae.”
  
  Does this mean Kiingi Tūheitia approves of ‘tikanga’ in Law or not?
  
  No it means he wants Maori to be the law. Or rather, some of the Maori elite such as him, Tamahere, Morgan, or O’Regan as examples (at the time).
  
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  October 21, 2025 11:19am
- leoj
  
  We are all suffering from maori fatigue.
  
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  October 21, 2025 11:36am
  - Yvette
    
    Their plan is working
    
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    October 21, 2025 1:03pm
  - muzled
    
    A much bigger danger to Maori than the treaty principles bill.
    
    They’ll figure that out in due course…
    
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    October 21, 2025 1:25pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      I don’t know about that. The majority seem to be quite OK with race based rights. The current government add Maori religious oversight provisions to reform of GMO laws, setting up yet another opportunity for certain Maori to seek rent while adding nothing of value. Maybe there will be an uprising at some point but it looks more likely that those who don’t want to live under co-governance will leave NZ and those that remain will either be on the gravy train or won’t wake up in time – like the frog slowly being boiled.
      
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      October 21, 2025 2:10pm
Cassandra

20 years ago a woman named Shontel Nuku battered a 79 year old man to death with a steam iron – and then used his cheque book to steal his money. She was 47 at the time.

She denied involvement but, after changing her evidence several times, has decided to tell the truth, that she did it. She will be reviewed, again, by the parole board next March and quite likely released from prison.

On a different topic, NZ abolished the death penalty in 1961. If a referendum was held today it’d be reinstated. I have reservations myself – too many errors – but you can’t deny that it can be effective in reducing crime – no hanged person has ever committed another crime.
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October 21, 2025 8:01am
- Raphael
  
  There are certain people I think have shown that they deserve the death penalty. Philip Smith being one of them.
  
  However as someone who is very prolife, I would rather not have the death penalty, even for scum like Philip Smith.
  
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  October 21, 2025 8:57am
  - Swifty
    
    My younger bro had a bit to do with the Smith murder in J’ville (?) including being a scene guard at the house and inspecting the bivvy where he had lain in wait for a day or two.
    
    Reckons to this day that Smith is right up there on the evil scale. A nasty piece of work.
    
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    October 21, 2025 1:21pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Start the death penalty with child murderers.
  Life without parole for every adult in the house where prolonged torture or abuse has occured.
  
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  October 21, 2025 9:08am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s cheaper and more effective to just have long sentences and very shitty prison conditions for the worst offenders.
  
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  October 21, 2025 9:14am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Contract out incarceration of anyone in for more than 5 years to Rwanda. Would only cost a few $k a year.
    
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    October 21, 2025 9:21am
  - David Garrett
    
    Nigel: I agree. The advent of LWOP as an available sentence for murder was one of the reasons i changed my mind on CP. That said, a murderer should not have to kill 51 people to get it.
    
    I’m a little out of touch now, but i know of at least four instances where the Crown sought LWOP and it was refused. Each of those cases was either a second homicide – I mean a homicide committed after serving time for the first – or the murder of a child; in one case the killing met both criteria.
    
    Over the ditch those killers would either have got LWOP or a minimum NPP of 30 years or more. Life is valued much less highly on this side of the Tasman
    
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    October 21, 2025 11:27am
    - Raphael
      
      Philip Smith should definately be LWOP.
      
      I have just followed a murder trial in Florida (Donna Adelson who paid for her ex son-in-law to be murdered, she is the 5th person to be found guilty of his murder). 1st Degree murder in Florida is a mandatory LWOP, the judge has no discresion on it.
      Conspiracy to commit murder (which she was also found guilty of) has a maximum of 30 years.
      
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      October 21, 2025 11:42am
  - David Garrett
    
    Nigel: I have just noticed you said long sentences are “cheaper” than CP…where on earth did you get that ideea?
    
    I assume from the US, where Millions are spent in legal fees trying to get some killers actually executed.
    
    You are obviously unaware of how the CP system worked in NZ. In short it was this: 1) killer sentenced to death; 2) an appeal, normally heard within a month or so; 3) if the appeal failed, an execution date set for shortly thereafter; 4) an appeal for clemency to the Minister, in practice the cabinet of the day.; 5) If that failed – and many succeeded – execution.
    
    The whole process took perhaps two months. A prisoner serving LWOP is going to cost $50-100k per year to maintain, depending on how you calculate the costs.
    
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    October 21, 2025 11:56am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      If we has capital punishment again it would not work the way you described. It would be more like trying to extradite Kim Dotcom. I would be looking at ways to reduce that $50-100k per year though.
      
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      October 21, 2025 2:59pm
      - Raphael
        
        A shipping container on White Island with weekly food drops could be cheaper.
        
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        October 21, 2025 4:47pm
- Colville
  
  If a referendum was held today it’d be reinstated.
  
  Any proof of that? I think its about as likely as a flying pig.
  
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  October 21, 2025 9:45am
  - Cassandra
    
    Polls indicate a majority favour reinstatement. Will it ever happen? No.
    
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    October 21, 2025 10:20am
    - David Garrett
      
      Cass: What polls are those? When my book came out 25 years ago there was solid support for restoration. Not anymore (see below)
      
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      October 21, 2025 11:32am
  - David Garrett
    
    Colville: I agree. Support for a return of CP was a bare majority- 53% or something IIRC in a poll about ten years ago. It would be less now I think.
    
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    October 21, 2025 11:29am
    - Cassandra
      
      Actually the latest poll I could find (12 years ago!) was 38% for and 55% against. Our host’s company.
      
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      October 21, 2025 11:48am
      - David Garrett
        
        Cass: That is no surprise. When my book came out in 1999 TVNZ commissioned a poll as part of a doco the late Rod Vaughn did on CP. I took part in that doco.
        
        From memory, about 75% were in support of CP back then. With your research skills – clearly much better than mine ! – you may be able to find that one.
        
        I dont know what polling company did it, but TVNZ commissioned it. Back when TVNZ did hour long docos, not cooking and house renovation shows for the stupid.
        
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        October 21, 2025 12:05pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Interesting…at least three readers (thus far) are big fans of cooking and house reno TQV shows…I do hope they are youngsters!
        
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        October 21, 2025 2:23pm
- rouppe
  
  My opinion on the death penalty is that victims or their next of kin should have input to the decision.
  
  Define the crimes where a death penalty applies, have the judge make the death penalty available on conviction, and then the victim or next of kin can use their own moral compass to say “yes” or “no” to it being applied.
  
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  October 21, 2025 11:24am
  - AitchW
    
    The tinfoil hat wearer in me says that if the family were to have a say in the application of the death penalty it would open them up to intimidation from the associates of the murderer.
    A senior Black Power member could easily continue to run his business from the inside.
    
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    October 21, 2025 11:47am
  - David Garrett
    
    Rouppe: There are lots of reasons why that is not a good idea.
    
    I think the process in some US states has merit: there is what is called a “bifurcated trial” which is just a fancy way of saying a trial with two phases: First to determine guilt, and if so a second, to determine the punishment. That is true “Justice by the people”.
    
    Never going to happen in NZ
    
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    October 21, 2025 12:11pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I think involving the family in what to do with a convicted murderer occurs in at least some parts of the Islamic world. This gives rise to blood money for some and implacable determination for the chop for others.
    
    Not really what we want here, in my view.
    
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    October 21, 2025 7:20pm
Ghost

Perhaps instead of Palestine, the PPTA could address the safety of its students and why we get too many of these stories

An Auckland school teacher filmed himself doing sex acts and sent the videos to a person he believed was a 14-year-old girl. It turned out to be a police officer.

Article

The principal of an Auckland school where her rapist relative was employed as a teacher aide put him in charge of a class for international students learning about New Zealand culture, a Tribunal has heard.

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October 21, 2025 8:04am
- kowtow
  
  Systemic , institutionalised violence/abuse throughout ‘education” it seems.
  
  ‘The country’s oldest registered secondary school is shuttering its boarding hostels because of ongoing concerns around student safety, it says.’
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/576420/wesley-college-to-close-its-hostels-due-to-ongoing-concerns-around-student-safety
  
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  October 21, 2025 8:30am
  - AitchW
    
    There have been stories of bullying at Wesley for years. Boarding houses are lawless after lights out when there are few or no staff present.
    
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    October 21, 2025 11:49am
    - muzled
      
      Wasn’t St Stephens closed for the same reasons?
      
      Best mate that went there said they couldn’t get out fast enough and he was one that excelled at everything.
      
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      October 21, 2025 1:29pm
- Prince
  
  The PPTA is a training ground for Labour MPs. Nothing more, nothing less.
  
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  October 21, 2025 8:36am
Scott

So the teachers union did want to talk to Ms Stanford about Palestine and the topic of Palestine was at the top of their list.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360859370/politically-motivated-prime-minister-christopher-luxon-mega-strike

But fear not, it wasn’t their top priority as the head of the teachers union tried to explain. But they were concerned about the “genocide” in Gaza and “our members have a strong position about crimes against humanity”.

For once Chris Luxon took a strong position and said “what the hell is a union talking about Palestine for? ”

So the teachers union is virtue signalling about Palestine while the teachers are striking and schools are closing and kids are missing out on their education?

Can we get on with opening charter schools and getting competition in education? The state monopoly must be broken! Don’t we need choice about where to send our kids?
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October 21, 2025 8:21am
- RoboRob
  
  I have to give Luxon some credit here. As you say he has taken a strong position and is effectively communicating it. Well done.
  
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  October 21, 2025 8:56am
  - David Garrett
    
    Robo: the problem is he hardly ever takes “strong positions”. On this one his focus groups would have told him he was on solid ground.
    
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    October 21, 2025 11:35am
    - sirknz
      
      I don’t know, the Greens and the MSM appear to be supporting the teachers on this one…
      
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      October 21, 2025 12:06pm
    - OlderChas
      
      The only other time I can think of where he took a strong position was on the Treaty Principles Bill. “Don’t worry, we’re going to kill it.” ” There is nothing I like about the Treaty Principles Bill”
      
      That attitude cost National my vote forever, and up till then I had voted nothing but National.
      
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      October 21, 2025 9:33pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Judith’s response should have been along the lines of “when the NZ education system leads the world, then we can talk about Palestine”.
  
  And BTW, has the PPTA polled its members to confirm that a majority is concerned about Palestine to the point of it being on the agenda for a meeting with the Minister?
  
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  October 21, 2025 10:07am
  - OlderChas
    
    Apparently, the PPTA has not even informed its members of the latest pay offer – let alone consulted them on it!
    
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    October 21, 2025 9:35pm
Yvette

Maori Party
Mariameno Kapa‑Kingi, the Te Pāti Māori MP for Te Tai Tokerau, has denied allegations that her electorate budget has been “majorly overspent”. She states her budget “has not ever been overspent,” despite her party leadership claiming Parliamentary Services warned of a potential $133,000 overrun. Kapa-Kingi explains she made budget reallocations—approved by the Speaker—when she took on extra responsibilities, including supporting a colleague and her electorate work. She says the leadership knew of these changes yet still publicised the issue without context. The party refused to comment further. [1]

In response to RNZ’s requests for comment, Te Pāti Māori president John Tamihere said: “Te Pāti Māori Constitution is in plan and no comment will be made.”

Does “in plan” mean “The Constitution is under discussion — it’s being planned — so no comment will be made.”
Whereas the idiomatic English “in play” makes more sense and would suggest it’s already active in political manoeuvre. Tamihere is famously quick-tongued and colloquial, or is suggesting something is “lost in translation” a reader over-reach?
The nuance difference suggested is subtle, but crucial — “plan” implies gestation, “play” implies motion or action.

Some are watching te Pati Maori to see indeed how “tikanga” works, after Tamihere’s reference to it being the problem solving process!
But who leaked Kapa-Kingi’s spending account details?
And are they even true?
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[1] https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576445/tai-tokerau-budget-not-ever-been-overspent-mariameno-kapa-kingi
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October 21, 2025 8:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  TPM needs to get its s*** together, according to Stuff’s experienced senior journalist.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360859482/if-te-pati-maori-wants-succeed-it-needs-get-its-s-together
  
  Poor old Joel Maxwell can’t see the obvious:
  some folks in TPM have tūtae that doesn’t smell; some folks in TPM are “just full of **it”, and others have flung their faeces all over the whare,
  
  and I’m damn sure John, Debbie and Rawiri won’t be rushing to clean up their mess.
  
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  October 21, 2025 8:57am
  - pdm
    
    Maggy calling Maxwell a `Senior Journalist’ stretches his credibility.
    
    From what I have seen he writes an opinion piece once a week for Stuff.
    
    Not only that often parts if not most of it is in either Te Reo or Manglish which is incomprehensible to over 95% of New Zealands population.
    
    A Senior Journalist he aint!!
    
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    October 21, 2025 10:53am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      A Senior Journalist he aint!!
      
      I agree, someone who has to resort to vulgar cliched idiom to make a point is better suited to click-bait throwaways.
      
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      October 21, 2025 11:17am
- artemisia
  
  Mariameno Kapa‑Kingi’s statement is very vague. What did TPM know, and approve. What did the Speaker approve, if anything, and when. Were either related to the Parliamentary Services letter. Did she actually overspend without authority.
  
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  October 21, 2025 10:02am
- leoj
  
  How do they get to call it the Maori Party?
  
  There are no full-blooded maori so the party should be renamed the Part Maori Party.
  
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  October 21, 2025 11:40am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Part Polynesian Party.
    
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    October 21, 2025 12:10pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Good point. I bet they are hanging on your every bit of valuable advice ….
    
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    October 21, 2025 12:29pm
Ghost

What goes through your head that makes you just stand around and leave a child face down in the water, even if it is too late.

At 9:51am, a member of the public called emergency services and reported that a young child was lying face down in the fountain, possibly drowned.

Nia was not removed from the water at this time. The person who called later told police they knew something was wrong, but that “it did not seem real” and they did not know what to do.

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October 21, 2025 8:44am
- sirknz
  
  People freeze when they see things like this. They are looking or waiting for someone to tell them what to do.
  
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  October 21, 2025 9:17am
- NothingLeft
  
  People, especially women, are like sheep. Not to be trusted to react usefully in an emergency, particularly in larger numbers (bystander effect where people are less likely to react in a crowd owing to taking cues off of other people not reacting)
  
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  October 21, 2025 9:23am
  - David Garrett
    
    Nothing: Yes, the bystander effect is fascinating- I experienced it once when a workmate had a fit at Sydney airport.
    
    In short noone did anything until I started giving orders for people to do this and that…and IIRC I was the youngest person present.
    
    Until I said to one woman “Go and find medical help” about a dozen people just stood around the guy on the floor doing absolutely nothing.
    
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    October 21, 2025 11:42am
  - Flossie
    
    I am interested to know where you get “especially women” in this context. Do you have some research to quote?
    
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    October 21, 2025 11:48am
    - wsk12345
      
      My dad had an incident and my older brother stood there and froze. I said call 111, unlock the door – GO! and he complied but I was the one doing airway, breathing etc. I do t think there is a male female difference.
      
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      October 21, 2025 1:47pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      women are more neurotic and self conscious on average, and also far less willing to rsik their own safety for others benefit
      
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      October 21, 2025 4:10pm
- R
  
  When nation has an education system that dumbs down the citizens, the nation looses the natural initiative to respond to such events.
  
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  October 21, 2025 9:58am
  - Paulus
    
    Our Primary education system is almost totally women run and controlled so why not comment factually.
    
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    October 21, 2025 1:41pm
- Ehlana
  
  It would actually be interesting to find out. It’s possible that people do now believe that they shouldn’t touch – perhaps from watching crime shows on tv which emphasise not interfering with crime scenes? If that is a widespread belief, some counter-education may be warranted.
  
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  October 21, 2025 11:26am
- MCōs
  
  My son was a teacher at a decile 3 school in west Auckland a few years ago when a kid with a previous history of heart problems from a bout of rheumatic fever collapsed with no heartbeat.
  The kids, with no direction from the teacher, started cpr, raced off to the office to ring 111 & got his heart going again.
  Unfortunately he subsequently died.
  
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  October 21, 2025 12:45pm
  - Ghost
    
    Yeah. This country has a lot of good samaritans. People who are first on the scene of an accident before emergency get there, drownings, helping a victim of crime or a medical event, etc. It’s disappointing that these people just did nothing
    
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    October 21, 2025 1:06pm
    - MCōs
      
      I hadn’t been in Thailand long before I was told if you see an accident don’t get involved because if you help you could be accused of stealing jewelry from the victim even if none existed
      
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      October 21, 2025 3:48pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Its seems to me that messaging from authorities.(and woke parents)
  don’t intervene, call the police etc etc
  ie dont get involved
  
  Has injected a fear factor? in the sheeple.
  
  So personally, I am not surprised that people didnt want to get involved.
  
  Ask myself what I would have done had I been there???? Depending on the situation/context.
  
  Was the kid playing with holding their breath underwater and failed to surface on one occasion.
  
  Did the kid run straight in to the water and immediately go face down
  
  etc etc. Without context I don’t know what I would have done
  
  As usual, MSM just gave some but not all of the story.
  
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  October 21, 2025 2:30pm
Notsofast

I just heard on the Platform the BSA is not obliged to take all complaints.
Complaints about mis use of Te Reo in broadcasting are disregarded, yet they cause much irritation.
I figured this mandate to hear all complaints was a fake premise.
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October 21, 2025 8:50am
- PurplePen
  
  A complaint about calling Maori customs mumbo jumbo is about as innocuous as a complaint could ever get I think. It’s getting a little bit sensitive.
  
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  October 21, 2025 3:06pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Miw6cncoc9g
Who Comes After Putin? Russia’s Unwritten Succession Code.
What happens after Putin? In this video, Elvira Bary takes you inside Russia’s real-life Game of Thrones, uncovering why Putin’s dynasty ends with him. From the Soviet Union’s modernist dreams to today’s neo-feudal Russia, we’ll explore why dictators rarely pass power to their children, the chaos any successor will inherit, and Putin’s own obsession with immortality. Meet the flawed pretenders to the throne and see why Russia’s future may be more fragile, and dangerous, than it looks.
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- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Putin is a tosser of the first water, which is not to say that his successor won’t be worse.
  
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  October 21, 2025 10:09am
- MCōs
  
  Russia has been ruled by flawed strongmen since the demise of the Tsars, because that’s what the locals like
  
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  October 21, 2025 11:09am
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    The locals have never had a chance to say .
    
    The Bolshies made sure of that.
    
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    October 21, 2025 12:48pm
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      Talk to any group of real Russians, yes they vote for strong leaders.
      
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      October 21, 2025 2:32pm
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        Whooooosh
        
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        October 21, 2025 5:18pm
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https://www.dw.com/en/bolivia-centrist-paz-wins-presidency-preliminary-results/a-74416997
For the first time in two decades, the economically ailing South American nation will be run by a center-right capitalist.
Bolivians headed to the polls Sunday in a presidential run-off election that brought a center-right candidate to power after two decades of one-party rule by the leftist Movement Toward Socialism (MAS) party.
The vote pitted two conservative capitalists — right-wing former President Jorge Quiroga and centrist Senator Rodrigo Paz — against one another.
Preliminary results showed Paz winning the election, the Supreme Electoral Tribunal said, securing over 54% of the vote.
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October 21, 2025 8:56am
- kiwi_chileno
  
  Paz’s campaign slogan was ‘Capitalism for everyone’ https://www.americasquarterly.org/article/reaction-paz-wins-bolivias-presidency/
  
  Paz wants to improve relations with the US. But the US says that Bolivia is not curbing cocaine production and drug trafficking. Another sticking point is Bolivia’s relationship with Iran, including a defence treaty. Iran may be interested in Bolivia’s lithium – lithium isotopes have nuclear applications, including weapons. https://iari.site/2023/08/20/iran-bolivia-military-cooperation-what-does-it-mean-for-the-security-of-the-region/
  
  Chile and Bolivia have a fraught relationship. There are no formal diplomatic relations. Bolivia is land-locked because Chile conquered Bolivia’s Pacific territory (War of the Pacific, 1879–1884). Bolivia has repeatedly tried to regain access to the sea, eg, litigation in the International Court of Justice. For Chile, Bolivia is the main route for illegal immigration and drug trafficking, facilitated by the Venezuelan Tren de Aragua and Cartel de los Soles (Cartel of the Suns). Chilean right-wing politicians want to fortify the border, including mining it.
  Paz caused outrage in Chile when he said that he would legalise thousands of vehicles stolen from Chile. In response, a Chilean MP called Bolivians oxygen deprived idiots, not the worst racial slur used by Chileans against Bolivians: Admiral Merino, prime move of the 1973 coup, called Bolivians camelids – llamas and alpacas – who have evolved to speak, but not think.
  
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  October 21, 2025 4:29pm
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    That’s an interesting summation of the situation.
    
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    October 21, 2025 9:19pm
Im Right

Am I the only one enjoying the maori party fracture?
Am I the only one who believes, had this been the same division in NZ1or ACT, the MSM would be in overdrive and camping outside the MPs residence for quotes/questions.
Why is it when the maori party say ‘no comment’ the reporters drift away, yet totally different when other parties are in the same turmoil.
Anyhoooooo……I’m enjoying it and I hope Kingi becomes an independent so the party has to look at her daily ,(when they actually turn up to parliament of course)
If you think the left were a nasty bunch, watch Tamahere if Kingi leaves the party and becomes an independent.
I don’t think I have enough popcorn!
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October 21, 2025 9:00am
- kowtow
  
  The Maori party can fracture all it likes and matters not .
  
  The real problem are the faceless power brokers in National/Labour, determined as they are on perverting our egalitarian constitution into a race based one .
  
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  October 21, 2025 9:21am
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  I will enjoy it IF it happens.
  More likely a few will splinter off and fizzle out due to lack of funding and support leaving Tamihere strong as ever.
  
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  October 21, 2025 9:48am
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    Tamihere has run out of other people’s money….
    
    I suspect that’s the reason TPM is imploding.
    
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    October 21, 2025 10:41am
- AitchW
  
  You’re not the only only. It looks like a big fat hairy dose of karma really.
  Am I the only one who expects violence when they do split?
  
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  October 21, 2025 10:43am
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Remember everybody, it is the far-right violent extremists we need to beware of in this country, the left are all baout being peaceful and stuff…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch/mp-matt-doocey-pretty-disappointed-after-rock-thrown-through-car-window/XOR6HQ3QBNGZJP7IRC33INBLL4/

We need to beware of all two of the far right extremists…
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October 21, 2025 9:12am
Frank the tank

Big call but I’m expecting Auckland to kick into gear late Q1 next year and the problem then will be a lack of people and supply of products then:

-Low interest rate environment
-Strong export-led growth – commodities & tourism
-Construction projects kicking off
-Chinese Students coming back
-Expats coming back into the country when there is an upswing in economic conditions
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  Let’s hope so.
  
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  October 21, 2025 1:10pm
- Paulus
  
  Reported quietly that a number of recent exports to Aussie are returning as it ain’t what they were told.
  
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  October 21, 2025 1:45pm
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Less than 1 miunute. Rudd is a former PM. Almost as stupid as Albo.

“I don’t like you either”: Humiliating moment Trump calls out Rudd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmsGYdaUOks&t=2s
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October 21, 2025 9:28am
- RoboRob
  
  Yup if you are stupid enough to publicly make derisive comments about a foreign leader, especially Trump, expect to get called out.
  
  JA demonstrated her immaturity and foolishness when she made similar comments about Trump. It didn’t serve NZ well. Luckily for her woman in NZ loved JA anyway. Winston Peters may or may not personally like Trump (or any other leader) but he is smart enough to realise that publicly deriding a foreign leader does nothing to help NZ.
  
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  October 21, 2025 9:57am
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    Yes, it is called diplomacy.
    
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    October 21, 2025 11:26am
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    Rudd deserved that.
    
    He tried to score cheap points domestically by bagging Trump and it has come back to bite him in a very public way.
    
    Good grief, if you are open to diplomatic postings as your next career move for gods sake be diplomatic when it comes to foreign leaders!
    
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    October 21, 2025 1:10pm
- pdm
  
  Chuck I enjoyed it when I heard Trump had said that.
  
  mrspdm did not.
  
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  October 21, 2025 10:57am
- virtualmark
  
  I’m surprised the Aussies have left Rudd as their Ambassador to Washington, given his public statements about Trump. An ambassador needs to be able to get things done for the country they represent, and I don’t think Rudd can do that.
  
  I wonder whether a (really) left-field choice like Greg Norman might have been better. Norman is by no means diplomatic. But Trump is guaranteed to take his calls and likely to want to do nice things for him.
  
  Likewise we’ve just appointed a career diplomat (Chris Seed) as our Ambassador to Washington and I can’t help thinking Chris Liddell might have been a better choice.
  
  (Then again, using this logic you’d maybe have the UK appointing Prince Andrew as their Ambassador …)
  
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  October 21, 2025 1:19pm
- MCōs
  
  A number of people have badmouthed Trump and changed their tune when it suits their career.
  Publicly Vance called Trump an “idiot” and said he was “reprehensible.” Privately, he compared him to Adolf Hitler.
  The prospect of a few baubles soon changed all that
  Rudd’s got nothing Trump wants; Albanese has . . . . .
  
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  October 21, 2025 1:58pm
AitchW

Yet another Dilworth ex teacher charged with sex offences against a pupil.
The fellow who was headmaster at the time is now dead.
However as far as I can tell he was never spoken to by the cops abut the offending. Surely he must have known, or at least suspected that something was going on.
Perhaps someone can correct me if I’m wrong.
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  I know someone who was a student at the time, he was surprised when the story first broke, said he’d never heard anything when he was there.
  
  Also , parents often don’t know a relative, a sibling or even the other parent is abusing their child
  
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  October 21, 2025 12:12pm
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    My old school had a number of teachers who were fired for abusing students. No legal action was taken until very recently.
    Whether the school know of all the offences I have no idea, but certainly the ones by teachers who were moved on during the term were known to the school.
    
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    October 21, 2025 3:30pm
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      I had two incidents at school, the first was at intermediate, teacher was fired for going into the girls showers on a school camp. Everyone knew he did it. Second was high school, PE teacher fired because two girls claimed he walked into the changing rooms while they were having a shower. Everyone knew that was bullshit and was only because he was failing them in PE.
      
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      October 21, 2025 4:29pm
Swifty

From The Spinoff:

“Burrows’ run-in by the non-fiction section is just one of a surprisingly large number of weird, troubling, and, in some cases, potentially criminal local election incidents around Auckland and southern Northland. Over in Papatoetoe in the south of the city, police are investigating alleged election fraud after a surprise result that saw every member of a new political ticket elected in a landslide. The vote counts in the suburb stand out. Whereas turnout slumped almost everywhere else in the city, including next door Ōtara, in Papatoetoe, it rose by 7%. Incumbent board members received roughly the same number of votes that saw them elected comfortably in 2022. But they were beaten soundly by all four members of the Papatoetoe-Otara Action Team, who were all voted onto the board by 1,000-plus vote margins over their nearest rivals.

Two election result tables for the Ōtara-Papatoetoe Local Board show candidates’ names, affiliations, and vote counts. The first table (top) has Papatoetoe-Otara Action Team winners; the second table (bottom) shows Labour and independent winners.
Papatoetoe local board results in 2025 vs 2022.
It’s possible the team simply ran the best local campaign in recent memory. Their opponents don’t think so though. They’re making a range of allegations, including that voting papers were stolen from people’s letterboxes. Labour candidates have obtained signed statements from voters who say they never received their papers, but were still recorded as having voted. Complaints have also been lodged over people allegedly being instructed on how to vote inside polling booths and at a Sikh temple. Police again say their investigation is in its “very early” stages.”

https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/21-10-2025/some-extremely-weird-stuff-is-happening-with-our-local-elections

This smells bad, but it’s not surprising. When you import large numbers of people from heavily corrupt countries and where election fraud is rife then you must expect that they will bring their corrupt practices here.

It’s funny that they don’t tell you that at DEI school.

And when the ethnicity of the five sacked VTNZ Highbrook staff is revealed this will only add fuel to the fire.
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  Additionally they’ve looked at the quite clear corruption around Tamaki Makarau in 2023 and thought when in Rome…
  
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  October 21, 2025 6:03pm
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  Import the Third World, become the Third World
  
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  October 21, 2025 7:29pm
- MCōs
  
  When there’s such a low turnout it shouldn’t be took difficult to skew the results by appealing to all your acquaintances to get out there and vote – in this case the people down at the temple
  
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  October 21, 2025 8:24pm
Ghost

Don’t know why, but I thought he had already gone….

Senior Labour MP Duncan Webb will resign from politics, confirming today he will not contest his Christchurch Central seat in the 2026 election.

Webb, in a statement released at about midday, said he wouldn’t be “slowing down before the election” and would remain as the MP but wants to leave politics once the term has concluded.

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October 21, 2025 1:09pm
- Jethrod
  
  Mmmm…….. obviously seen the writing on the wall. Only 58 years old, so still had a few years to go before Labour’s mandatory 70 y.o. age limit.
  Delved down and found no possibility of government next year.
  A good place for another “socialist” in Chch Central.
  
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  October 21, 2025 1:17pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  You cannot slow down anymore than being stationary.
  
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  October 21, 2025 1:29pm
- Graeme Hall
  
  Duncan Webb had had a very successful career as a law professor at Canterbury and a lawyer at Lane Neave – then he entered Parliament.
  
  I’ll never forget first seeing him sitting there parroting the most mundane socialist mantras & braying during question time like a demented donkey. What a waste of talent.
  
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  October 21, 2025 3:31pm
Ghost

Tim Jago again. How many more people are there that haven’t come forward….

A well-known New Zealander recenty charged with indecent assault from three decades ago can now be named as former ACT Party President Tim Jago.

Jago has been charged with indecently assaulting one person in Auckland in 1995.

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October 21, 2025 1:22pm
- David Garrett
  
  Ghost: That is old so it’s not news- it’s history…Jago’s name has been public for months.
  
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  October 21, 2025 1:52pm
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    These are new charges.
    
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    October 21, 2025 1:54pm
  - Ghost
    
    This is a new charge, not the one he is already in jail for, and not the other one reported earlier, which took place in 1999
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/569433/police-investigate-new-complaint-of-sexual-assault-against-former-act-party-president-tim-jago
    
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    October 21, 2025 1:55pm
Swifty

Hipkins confirms he wants to repeat his previous destruction of New Zealanders wealth by throwing their money at speculative renewable energy schemes:

https://x.com/suitandtie9999/status/1980415008946417802?s=46

And this is while Solar Zero is still warm in the ground.
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October 21, 2025 1:29pm
- Conservatarian
  
  Remember, the people who want you to believe that the energy derived from solar panels will save the world from the sun monster are the same people trying to force you to adopt a replacement name for New Zealand that presupposes that the same country is covered in perma-cloud.
  
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  October 21, 2025 2:20pm
  - KH
    
    Wrong. I believe solar panels are an excellent advance. And I am firmly of the view the name of our nation is New Zealand
    
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    October 21, 2025 10:33pm
mogg

Hipkins’ first election promise is to take on more debt with his ‘future fund’, using State owned assets as security. Both channels gave it positive coverage last night. It really has to be seen alongside the 100000 houses, or controlling immigration, Dunedin Hospital etc. As Luxon said it is all very vague with lots of nice pictures and no detail.
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- Raphael
  
  And what they did have was lifted from NZ First’s announcement of the same policy a year ago
  
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  October 21, 2025 2:04pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Chris Hipkins must believe in a magic money tree if he thinks creating a fund based on taxpayer money will create value.
  
  Put another way, the value of the fund must become greater than the value of the assets input plus the income that would have been generated by those assets plus the cost of administration. How likely is that?
  
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  October 21, 2025 7:33pm
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    Seems to work with the Cullen Fund.
    
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    October 21, 2025 8:29pm
Swifty

Just look at how the far-left Labourites get all bitter and twisted when they discover parts of our civil service are not under their control:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/576537/public-service-commission-s-ads-targeting-strike-absolutely-unbelievable-labour

Good grief, how many hundreds of times have we seen our civil service push Labour Party lines – did Labourites get all bitter and twisted them?

Again, it’s their double standards that sicken me most.
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October 21, 2025 1:53pm
- Ghost
  
  This strike is political
  
  PPTA wanting to discuss government policy on Palestine is political
  
  The unions want to play games, then suck this up
  
  Ads can be viewed here
  
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  October 21, 2025 2:07pm
  - quarterpack
    
    I asked my freind chatgpt for a list of conflicts and resulting civilan deaths and ask the question to all…what is so special about Gaza? Most have not even heard of these, so why the need to march over the harbour bridge?
    Region / Country Main Period Civilian Deaths (Approx.) Notes
    Ukraine (Russia invasion) 2022–present Tens of thousands Massive urban warfare and shelling since Feb 2022.
    Gaza / Israel–Hamas wars 2021, 2023–present Tens of thousands Heavy bombardment; most deaths in Gaza.
    Ethiopia (Tigray War) 2020–2022 Tens of thousands (disputed) Fighting, famine, and atrocities across northern Ethiopia.
    Myanmar (post-coup) 2021–present Several thousand Widespread airstrikes, repression after military coup.
    Yemen (civil war) Ongoing (2015–present) Tens of thousands total, still ongoing Conflict and famine continue; heavy Saudi–Houthi fighting.
    Sudan (RSF–Army war) 2023–present Tens of thousands Major urban conflict and atrocities since April 2023.
    Nagorno-Karabakh (Armenia–Azerbaijan) 2020–2023 Hundreds Short, intense war; renewed flare-ups in 2023.
    Afghanistan (Taliban takeover) 2020–2021 Thousands Civilian toll surged during final offensive.
    Sahel (Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger) 2020–present Thousands annually Islamist attacks and ethnic reprisals escalating.
    DR Congo (East) 2020–present Thousands annually Ongoing militia attacks and ethnic killings.
    Syria 2020–present Thousands annually Continuing airstrikes and clashes despite reduced intensity.
    Somalia 2020–present Hundreds–thousands per year al-Shabaab bombings and raids.
    Other flashpoints Various (e.g., Libya, Colombia, Mozambique, Haiti) Hundreds–thousands Localized or criminal-political violence.
    
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    October 21, 2025 4:46pm
Ghost

Note to self, order more popcorn

Former Te Pāti Māori staffer Eru Kapa-Kingi says claims from the party he was fired for assaulting Parliament security guards are “defamatory” and form part of Te Pāti Māori’s efforts to discredit his allegations of a dictatorial leadership style.

However, he says he remains supportive of Te Pāti Māori and doesn’t believe a new Māori-focused political party should be created.

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October 21, 2025 2:21pm
- AitchW
  
  If he is so sure that they’re defamatory why has he not taken legal action?
  Has he spent the 120k his mother paid him already?
  
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  October 21, 2025 3:32pm
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    No, he is probably back on a jobseeker benefit
    
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    October 21, 2025 4:35pm
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    why has he not taken legal action
    
    Hmmmmm…..Is legal action the Maori way to restore mana?
    
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    October 21, 2025 6:32pm
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      Ooo! Taiahas at dawn!
      
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      October 21, 2025 7:35pm
- surfing
  
  He has never answered whether he did it or not.
  
  I suggest he is just a common thug. Happens to have the right skin colour and mother , will make a lot of money.
  
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  October 21, 2025 6:36pm
Tauhei Notts

Electric vehicles are presently odds-on to have started that fire in the car park in Whangarei.
Public relations consultants contracted to electric vehicle importers will be working into the night.
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- MCōs
  
  In your dreams
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/576546/cause-of-whangarei-hospital-car-park-fire-revealed
  
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  October 21, 2025 7:01pm
  - MCōs
    
    Here’s an article on the subject.
    No doubt funded by Elon Musk!
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350392741/busting-ev-myths-do-they-really-catch-fire-often
    
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    October 21, 2025 7:12pm
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    A hot exhaust on long grass? How likely is that!
    
    I mean, what’s different to yesterday, in terms of the fire starting?
    
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    October 21, 2025 7:36pm
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      Yeah if the grass was tinder-dry brown and it was a windy 40C+ day, maybe (if the car was a dragster spewing sparks from running nitromethane). The carnage certainly looks like an EV fire and the grass is luscious green(IE full of moisture). And RNZ are not at all lefty-narrative arse-coverers are they?
      
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      October 21, 2025 8:28pm
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        Look at the photos I think by grasses they mean Tussock etc. it happens. Fire service looked at the CTV footage to come up with how they thought it started
        
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        October 21, 2025 9:02pm
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      A bus caused a fire exactly that way just down the road from here.
      It happens.
      
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      October 21, 2025 10:38pm
surfing

Interesting , Herald is reporting measles epidemic in motu. Not sure where that is, but not in my region 🙂
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October 21, 2025 6:35pm
Swifty

An appropriate sentence?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/james-tuwhangais-frenzied-and-determined-stabbing-on-woman-who-broke-knife-to-save-her-life/K3AQWI6GZJDKFLJZLV3II5TPE4/
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  I look at sentences now and just think, well at least it isn’t home detention.
  
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