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Nikola Donatello

I find it difficult to understand the adoration of the left in New Zealand for Islam. For example, Julie Anne Genter has a mosque in her electorate. Her social media is frequently adorned with photos of her wearing hijab and appearing in the mosque.

https://share.google/images/L8cVNpCYCVmzazqSH

Of course JAG is not a Muslim. Not to my knowledge anyway. Yet she appears at the mosque wearing hijab. AFAIK she does not promote the Catholic community or attend Mass. Neither should she.

I would prefer New Zealand politicians to remain secular and to not promote any religion or religious community.

On the left we have this unfortunate mixture of faith promotion. Islam on the one hand, and the various strands of te ao Maori on the other.

Firstly, they tend to promote Islam. Many of its proponents are, to put it mildly, fragile to any criticism of the religion. These proponents are also muted in their criticism of the violent and homicidal wing of their faith.

Secondly the left are proponents of treating te ao Maori as a basis for teaching science and analysis in New Zealand. Of course, it is no such thing. Yes indigenous knowledge is valuable. Yes Maori myths are interesting. Not science.

So we end up with politicians who promote a religion of intolerance and extremism. They also promote Maori mysticism as science. This combination will be bad for New Zealand when these people are in power once again.
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October 28, 2025 8:00am
- cmm
  
  If you start from the position that they are nihilists bent on the destruction of anything Western then everything makes sense.
  
  Do they care that they are slitting their own throats? Not at all.
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:11am
  - All_on_Red
    
    There was an incident in 2016 where a German Politician lied about her sexual assault being carried out by white people when it was migrants who did it- because she didnt want to fuel racism
    Madness
    https://x.com/Basil_TGMD/status/1982606832658174176/photo/1
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:31am
    - Boy Geoff
      
      Aotearoa has judges who make certain name suppression decisions so they don’t inflame the culture wars…
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:21am
      - R
        
        The ranks of our judges are long overdue for an audit and some painful culling, or perhaps a better system of selection. If there is one!
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:23am
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    It’s not that complicated or genuine, she’s just signaling virtue: in the woke cult Islam trumps other religion on the identity politics grievance cascade because Palestine.
    It doesn’t have to make sense, it’s critical theory and identity politics.
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:48am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      You forgot the crusades. Don’t forget the crusades.
      
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      October 28, 2025 10:20am
  - R
    
    They don’t even realise that they are just ideological puppets for the Marxist world agenda. Part of the population with no lateral thinking skills
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:03am
  - Paulus
    
    The Muslin men adherents cannot wait to get to the virgins – in New Zealand – doubtful.
    
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    October 28, 2025 1:46pm
- Inandout
  
  Nik, Genter is the married one with a male husband is she not? Islam welcomes normal couples, but the other MPs in the Greens well they just wear the right tea towels.
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:12am
- Ra Henare
  
  yet in NZ we have Pakeha Mps visiting the Marae when they are not Maori.
  
  I won’t get in to Pakeha and karakia before a meeting when nobody is Maori.
  
  So why pick on a JAG for doing the job of MP, connecting with her community??????
  
  Julie Anne Genter has a mosque in her electorate. Her social media is frequently adorned with photos of her wearing hijab and appearing in the mosque.
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:14am
  - cmm
    
    The point is that she is not connecting with “her community” except on a very selective basis.
    
    She’s just virtue signaling to her bubble.
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:59am
  - Flossie
    
    Are there pictures her visiting a Catholic Church, or (heaven forbid!) a synagogue, sikkh temple….
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:26am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      There’s pics of her at the Island Bay Buddhist temple
      and she’s held meetings at the Indian Cultural Centre in Rongotai (which contains the Gita Mandir – Hindu Temple).
      
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      October 28, 2025 11:22am
    - Jack5
      
      Does Julie Anne Genter wear a hijhab over her compulsory cycle helmet as she bikes to the mosque?
      
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      October 28, 2025 11:30am
  - cmm
    
    Guaranteed there would be Green Outrage if she attended Christian churches or, shudder, a Synagogue.
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:43am
    - MCōs
      
      Why?
      
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      October 28, 2025 12:11pm
  - Nikola Donatello
    
    “yet in NZ we have Pakeha Mps visiting the Marae when they are not Maori….”
    
    Marae are not overtly religious institutions.
    
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    October 28, 2025 10:36am
    - Paulus
      
      Correct, the Marae is much more than a religion – they represent a total way of life as they would like it – like say a Moslem.
      
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      October 28, 2025 1:50pm
- Gravelroad
  
  The question is: where are the most votes going to come from for Ms Genter and the Green Party?
  That is all that matters.
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:15am
  - sirknz
    
    Muslims will support the left until there are enough Muslims to supplant the current power structures. This is there SOP wherever they go.
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:02am
    - Pope Punctilious II
      
      Correct. Then the left will go the way of the Iranian left after the 1979 revolution.
      
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      October 28, 2025 10:21am
    - kowtow
      
      In the UK it was Labour all the way .
      
      Now one of the largest voting blocks in parliament there is made up of an Islamic bent .
      
      It sure ani’t “diversity” , it is division and exclusivity.
      
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      October 28, 2025 11:35am
- judith8409121
  
  ” indigenous knowledge is valuable”? Valuable? are you sure? i’ve managed to get to 60 without such value – it seems to me to be a manufactured industry – a cargo cult?
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:57am
  - R
    
    Indigenous…….usefully knowledge for interests sake, but generally of no practical value. Good for social studies in Primary school.
    
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    October 28, 2025 10:26am
  - Dave
    
    Yes, the evidence against “indigenous knowledge is so valuable” in modern life is so overwhelming in material and non-material matters, one wonders how anyone can make such a demonstrably false claim.
    
    I type this on my iPad, glancing at three light bulbs, eight electrical appliances, an engineered stone benchtop, a stainless steel sink, a glass splashback, a tap with hot and cold running water, some repurposed plastic yoghurt containers, large glass windows…
    
    Yesterday afternoon and evening I took (thanks Mr Honda and the internal combustion engine) my wife with a fish bone in her throat to a local emergency doctor and then on to Auckland Hospital’s emergency department where, after an X-ray, thanks to a numbing spray and a camera about 3-4mm wide attached to a long, flexible tube and linked to a monitor, the physician (from the Sub-continent) concluded that the bone had moved on down and was probably now harmless. I doubt if any local indigenous knowledge was involved, even though his assisting nurse was probably part-Maori, part European.
    
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    October 28, 2025 11:06am
    - Taieri
      
      I doubt if any local indigenous knowledge was involved
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      Yet, all this was developed on the back of an indigenous (although not necceserily local) knowledge. That’s after all, how the humanity evolved over millenia; by building on and adding to the knowledge of previous generations.
      
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      October 28, 2025 1:05pm
      - judith8409121
        
        i would rather it was built on the back of scientific methods thanks
        
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        October 28, 2025 6:34pm
    - R
      
      It would have been the attendance of the part-Maori nurse that solved the problem….donchae appreachiate bro..
      
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      October 28, 2025 1:11pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Every people consider their own cultural knowledge valuable. That is not the same as it being scientific, or useful to anyone outside their community.
    
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    October 28, 2025 11:09am
- Boy Geoff
  
  Interesting to rewatch the Netflix documentary on the hunting of Osama bin Laden recently.
  
  He and his devoted followers utterly despise/ed so much of what JAG and her fellow travelers hold so dear…
  
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  October 28, 2025 9:07am
- NothingLeft
  
  There is evolutionary advantage to young women in fomenting violence and destruction, even invasion in their societies.
  
  That is because unlike everyone else, when major violence happens young women tend to be kept alive by whatever males win the day for sexual purposes.
  
  The advantage to the genes of these young women (no matter how unpleasant the violence might be) is that competition for food (historically always in limited supply) and other resources is killed off, meaning more is then available for the children of the surviving women – who “inherit the earth” from a genetic standpoint.
  
  This has been the case for hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution in mostly violently contending tribal hunter-gatherer settings with around 3% per year dying from violence on average, and that evolutionary pressure really only abated in the last few hundred years. But the instinctual attraction to violent upheaval, foreign men, brutes, revolution will remain in a large fraction of young, particularly childless women (to a greater or lesser degree as is the way with genetically coded behaviors), not that they will understand the why of it, only that they desire the bear…
  
  Which might explain a lot of what we see in modern politics. Women on average won’t be invested in the survival and thriving of their society (in fact on average they will likely want to tear it down/overthrow it) until they have kids to keep alive.
  
  Its a pretty grim realization in it’s implications for democracy.
  
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  October 28, 2025 10:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There is evolutionary advantage to young women in fomenting violence and destruction, even invasion in their societies.
    
    If only Adam had refused to eat the apple…..
    
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    October 28, 2025 11:24am
    - Taieri
      
      If only Adam had refused to eat the apple….
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      There would be no KB…
      
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      October 28, 2025 1:07pm
    - R
      
      There then would not have been a place for greenies
      
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      October 28, 2025 1:14pm
  - Sir Henry Morgan
    
    Interesting perspective. I suspect there is plenty of truth in it.
    
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    October 28, 2025 3:22pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Not just in New Zealand:
  
  The next time someone asks what we mean when we say ‘Islamo-left’, I’m going to show them footage from yesterday’s protest in Whitechapel in East London. What a morally suicidal schlep that was. What an unholy union of witless leftists and menacing Islamists. ‘Refugees welcome here!’, cried the granola-fed grads of the limp-wristed left. ‘Allahu Akbar!’, barked the masked mob of religious hotheads. Rarely has the lethal idiocy of the left’s bed-hopping with Islamism been so starkly exposed.
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  Mobs of men in black masks hollered Islamist slogans in a distinctly menacing manner. They denounced ‘Zionist scum’ and darkly promised to hound them ‘off our streets’. They yelled ‘From the river to the sea’ (translation: destroy the Jewish homeland) and sang the praises of ‘our martyrs’ (translation: the Jew-killers of Hamas). And all the while, the pricks of the new left who think it’s bigotry to say ‘he’ about a fella in a dress just stood there smiling.
  
  It’s like the modern Left have never heard of the Tudeh Party
  
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  October 28, 2025 2:14pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  The hijab wearing for cameras disgusts me. In many countries the hijab is imposed by force. It’s a symbol of oppression, of ownership, of unwillingness to integrate, etc. For politicians to flash it around as a badge of their worldliness and tolerance is too dumb for words.
  
  This is hardly just a left-wing problem though. Auckland police recently had a female district commander who posed in a hijab, in her own police station (honestly, what the hell!), to welcome ‘community leaders’. I actually phoned the station to voice concerns and got nothing in response but giggles.
  
  The New Zealand police even have a hijabi version of their uniform. I’m not sure I’d feel comfortable treating a hijabi dressed as a NZ police officer the same as a real NZ police officer. I might feel I should just refuse to cooperate.
  
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  October 28, 2025 2:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Auckland police recently had a female district commander who posed in a hijab, in her own police station (honestly, what the hell!), to welcome ‘community leaders’.
    
    And why shouldn’t she wear a hijab on the job?
    She’ s NZ born and raised.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naila_Hassan
    
    Sikhs are now allowed to wear a turban and keep their hair long in NZ Police
    https://www.sikhchic.com/article-detail.php?id=628
    
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    October 28, 2025 5:03pm
  - judith8409121
    
    i equate the wearing of the hijab by women as the same as if some one wears a ball and chain around their ankle and thinks it looks ok.
    
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    October 28, 2025 6:39pm
Cassandra

The Palestinian Authority (25 years into its 4 year term) continues to operate as an unelected dictatorship, funneling millions into its infamous pay-for-slay “jobs” program — sometimes listed as “welfare” — which grants salaries to terrorists and their families based on how many Jews they succeed in murdering. The more Jews they murder, the higher the monthly stipend. Palestinian schoolbooks still erase Israel from maps, depict Jews as usurpers, and teach children that the ultimate aspiration is martyrdom.

This is the State that the Australian Labor Government recognised (along with France, Canada and the UK) recently and Winston Peters did not. The Great Charlatan has redeemed himself in spades.

Further, Jordan’s King Abdullah has ruled out an Arab law enforcement army in Gaza. I can’t see Hamas going quietly. Gaza 2 is about to unfold.
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October 28, 2025 8:01am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Jordan has their own history with the PLA/PLO and it too was bloody, angry and awful for Jordanians.
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:08am
- Mike
  
  Do you think the Israelis have any regrets at all about helping Hamas in order to weaken Fatah and the PA?
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:08am
  - cmm
    
    That was probably the best action available to them at the time.
    
    It is naive to think that these are organisations do not change with time and that the best policy to deal with them stay consistent over multiple decades.
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:42am
    - Foxfour
      
      Isreal has had many major politicians and even PMs from its terrorist militias active before the partition and during the Nakba.
      Ben Gurion himself was a Gerry Adams type figure , one foot in terrorist camp and another as head the political Jewish Agency
      Irgun terrorist leader Begin opposed the UN partition as ‘River to the Sea’ was Eretz Isreal
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:09am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, many operated in the Mandela model (terrorist/freedom fighter who reinvents him/herself as a statesman).
        
        But that said, their main allegiance – to a Jewish state – has not changed much.
        
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        October 28, 2025 9:36am
      - Mike
        
        And the main Palestinian allegiance to the cause of resisting colonialism has not changed since WWI.
        
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        October 28, 2025 2:30pm
- cmm
  
  “Gaza 2 is about to unfold.”
  Naah, it’s still the same war. They just stopped for a half-time pep-talk.
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:09am
  - Wandering Star
    
    It’s been the same war since 1948.
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:20am
    - David Garrett
      
      WS: perhaps you missed the peace deal between Israel and Egypt which has remained unbroken for 50 years?
      
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      October 28, 2025 8:45am
      - cmm
        
        Players come and players go…
        
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        October 28, 2025 9:01am
      - Wandering Star
        
        The “peace deal” Israel has with Egypt is the same as their peace deal with Jordan, which is that the US taxpayer forks out billions in bribes on behalf of Israel to buy good relations. The question is, why are the top three recipients of US foreign aid Israel, Egypt and Jordan (really reducable to just Israel for the reason given)? Obviously this benefits Israel, but how does it benefit Americans?
        
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        October 28, 2025 1:38pm
      - David Garrett
        
        WS: Some source for those accusatiions about “bribes” paid to Egypt and Jordan please. (Even if you are correct on that, your statement that it’s been “the same war since 1948” is still demonstrably wrong.
        
        To paraphrase Rick Blain in Casablanca: “I don’t mind an anti-semite so much, but I di object to a poorly informed one.”
        
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        October 28, 2025 2:02pm
      - Jake Dee
        
        The USA has paid Egypt about $1.3B per year since the 1979 Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty, totaling about $85B.
        And Wandering Star, it’s not “bribery”, if that’s the deal then that’s the deal.
        What’s interesting to consider is how long these payments can last and what happens when they stop.
        
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        October 28, 2025 4:01pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        Hi David,
        
        Since you asked, here are the facts about US foreign aid:
        
        https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/countries-that-receive-the-most-foreign-aid-from-the-u-s
        
        https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
        
        Quite obviously, Ukraine in the last few years has held the number one spot, but Israel, Egypt and Jordan are traditionally the top three.
        
        What’s more, Israel has received well north of 300 billion USD since 1948, while Egypt has received circa 150 billion USD.
        
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        October 28, 2025 6:35pm
    - David George
      
      1948 when Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon invaded Israel and were defeated against formidable odds?
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:04am
      - Foxfour
        
        Wasnt ‘invaded’in the normal sense as the UN imposed a partition that was opposed by 80% of the population. Only 1 of the 12 districts of the mandate had a jewish majority.
        India for instance was partitioned after an election showed the Muslim wanted it ( but not the British or the Congress party)
        
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        October 28, 2025 9:12am
- Wandering Star
  
  ” The more Jews they murder, the higher the monthly stipend.”
  
  How many Jews have been murdered by what you allege is the Palestinian Authority’s “pay-for-slay jobs program”? Any evidence at all for this, or is it just another fantasy used as polemic?
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:09am
  - Cassandra
    
    “The Palestinian Authority Martyrs Fund is a financial program operated by the Palestinian Authority (PA). It operates through two main channels: The Foundation for the Care of the Families of Martyrs that provides monthly financial support to the families of Palestinians who were killed, injured, or detained in connection with acts of violence against Israelis; and the Prisoners Fund that delivers payments to Palestinians currently held in Israeli prisons.[1][2][3] As of 2018, the stipends amounted to $330 million, or 7% of the PA’s annual budget.”
    
    Wandering: seek and ye shall find. Doing a bit of work would actually enhance this blog and be very good for your character too.
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:09am
    - Foxfour
      
      Ignoring the settler and IDF violence against arabs in West Bank
      
      “Settler violence targeting the annual olive harvest has continued across the West Bank, with October 2025 on track to become the most violent month since UNRWA began tracking settler violence in 2013” UNWRA
      A single Israeli cant be killed in violence without the world been told about.
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:17am
    - Wandering Star
      
      My character is just fine, as is my knowledge of how the world works.
      
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      October 28, 2025 1:40pm
    - Jake Dee
      
      All government authorities pay their workers, pensions are usually part of the deal.
      The difference here seems to be that some are being called “murderers” and “terrorists” but judged by which laws and adjudicated by what power?
      And if the P.A. paying these people and their families a pension is supporting terrorism then isn’t paying money to the P.A. also supporting terrorism?
      The largest donor to the P.A. is the European Union but many other including Israel also pay them money.
      As usual in this God-awful mess “one rule for me another for thee” is not an anomaly, but an absolute requirement.
      
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      October 28, 2025 4:18pm
  - David George
    
    The “pay-for-slay jobs program” (AKA martyrs fund) is well known and not denied – apart from that formidable immutable font of all knowledge “Wanderings Witterings”
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Authority_Martyrs_Fund
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:15am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Wouldn’t it be nice if Wandering Star could just condemn one thing the Palestinians do with no caveats, qualifiers or whataboutism?
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:58am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        He can’t do that because the enemy of his enemy is his friend – and his greatest enemy is The Jew.
        
        Like the modern Left he probably thinks he can confront the Muslims later after the revolution. In their case with secular socialist solidarity. In WS’s case with some sort of Christian revival in the West.
        
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        October 28, 2025 11:26am
      - Wandering Star
        
        ISeeRed
        If anyone has ever read the majority of my comments, they’d know that I am a harsh critic of both Jews and Muslims – I think they are both problematic in different ways. They are both divergent from Christian European societies, as is clear when either holds too much sway.
        
        Just because I dont like Muslims doesn’t mean I think the Jews should have license to do as they please with them. I dont see how one follows from the other.
        
        As another commenter pointed out in the weekend, its OK to condemn both sides.
        
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        October 28, 2025 1:46pm
- Flossie
  
  Why are you giving Winston all the credit? Surely the decision to not recognise Palestine (at least for the time being) must be down to our Government.
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:15am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    He is the Minister of Foreign Affairs.
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:21am
    - R
      
      He maybe the Min of Foreign Affairs, but the decision is made by the Coalition Cabinet. Peter’s is only the messenger boy. Too many commentators seem to believe that by destroying the Luxon lead Coalition the country will get a better government. Ideological DREAMERS.
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:18am
  - Cassandra
    
    I think he played a major part but you’re right, it was a Cabinet decision.
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:24am
    - pdm
      
      I think ACT was on the same page as Winston so they would not have given National any room to move.
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:00am
      - Foxfour
        
        Cabinet has a majority of national ministers 14 : 6 from ACT and NZF
        
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        October 28, 2025 9:20am
    - Paulus
      
      But Winston still covets being Prime Minister.
      
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      October 28, 2025 1:56pm
  - cmm
    
    I doubt Our Government would have found the balls do make a statement without Winston digging his heels in.
    
    50 cents and a servo pie say that Luxon would far, far, rather take his normal perch on the fence.
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:39am
  - Im Right
    
    Agree in theory Flossie, but can you actually believe Luxon would have a solid position on it?
    Doubtful, he would have more than likely said to Winnie…”what do you think, what do you want to do”
    We know Seymour was for not recognizing a Palestinian state.
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:40am
- Ra Henare
  
  Would be nice Cass if you could give viable verifiable references to your claims, for example.
  
  which grants salaries to terrorists and their families based on how many Jews they succeed in murdering.
  
  or is it based on something you read on Social Media.
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:17am
  - RoboRob
    
    Co Pilot….
    
    Yes, the Palestinian Authority has historically provided financial payments to individuals imprisoned for attacks on Israelis and to families of those killed during such acts, a policy often referred to as “Pay-for-Slay.”
    
    This program has been widely criticized and has led to international controversy:
    🧾 What the Program Entails
    
    Stipends were paid to Palestinians imprisoned by Israel, including those convicted of violent attacks, and to families of those killed during such incidents.
    
    The amount of the stipend often correlated with the severity of the offense—longer prison sentences typically meant higher payments
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:48am
    - Jake Dee
      
      If your family is getting a monthly payment while one of their men (who would otherwise be out earning a salary) then the longer they are in prison the more the family would be paid.
      POWs also receive their pay.
      Incidentally I remember reading about a CIA agent who got picked up by the Chinese in Tibet. They held him for about 10 years before trading him back.
      Naturally, the Agency was either banking his pay or sending it along to his family, but he was also having his annual performance reviews, they got rated as “excellent” so he was steadily promoted.
      A nice pile of money was waiting for him when he got home.
      So the questions remain, Who decides who is the criminal, what law, what power? And are the laws applied equally?
      
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      October 28, 2025 4:29pm
  - Cassandra
    
    See above. It’s well documented. Get out more.
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:10am
    - Cassandra
      
      Thanks for tying me to social media. But I’m an OF, I don’t do it or know anything about it. But I do read widely.
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:24am
      - pdm
        
        OF Cass – I am guessing `Old Fogey’.
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:09am
      - RoboRob
        
        I thought Cassandra was saying she was on Only Fans 🙂
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:35am
      - Cassandra
        
        I was actually thinking Old Fart but I now prefer Fogey.
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:58am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Ra
    Its okay to just write a post stating ones own thoughts and opinions without having to justify them with a link to a website.
    
    Its also okay to disagree and, if necessary, present a link that supports your counterargument, but its better to discuss our own opinions than to play internet tennis with links.
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:26am
- Master Mariner
  
  “This is the State that the Australian Labor Government recognised (along with France, Canada and the UK) recently and Winston Peters did not. The Great Charlatan has redeemed himself in spades.”
  
  It goes back to 2006 elections of which Hamas won in Gaza, to great “fanfare” from the UN.
  https://press.un.org/en/2006/gapal1001.doc.htm#:~:text=The%20international%20community%2C%20including%20the,demonstrating%20their%20commitment%20to%20democracy.
  
  “The international community, including the international observers monitoring the elections, had applauded the Palestinian people for conducting the elections in a free and fair manner, and demonstrating their commitment to democracy. It had been a very proud day for the Palestinian people, not only because of the “festival of democracy” displayed, but also because it had been accomplished under Israel’s military occupation”.
  
  It is overly simplistic to say who did and did’nt vote for a Palestinian State Now. !
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:24am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    ….to great “fanfare” from the UN.
    
    So back then the likes of the UN would have regarded Israel backing Hamas as a good thing?
    
    Funny how this aspect is never mentioned by the “Does Israel regret backing Hamas against the PA” crowd.
    
    But then they’re probably still living in their dream world where the PA is secular.
    
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    October 28, 2025 11:45am
Scott

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1A3taRdn39/

This guy, who some may know, speaking the truth about climate change. Trump tells it like he sees it.

Most people here would agree that net zero and climate accords are holding NZ back. I hope one of the parties on the right can speak up about this issue. Too many farms are turning into pine forests. Too many pastures are covered with solar panels.

It’s no good. Net zero is a path to poverty for our country. Isn’t it time to do a Trump and get out of the climate change scam?
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October 28, 2025 8:04am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Net zero is not the problem. Net zero by 2050 is. When nuclear power is used much more, we will get closer to net zero. That may be close to 2100.
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:52am
  - Foxfour
    
    Its not 2050 thats an issue NOW.
    
    Its 30% less by 2030 as John Key told the world.
    Thats 5 years away and why were are spending $2 bill this year to buy up carbon credits to make up the 30% less numbers
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:22am
  - PurplePen
    
    The reality is Australasia which includes NZ is already carbon neutral as per the published scientific paper linked below. From the article:
    
    “Australasia’s bottom-up carbon budget suggests that this region was close to neutral (−0.4 ± 77.0 TgC yr−1) from 2010 to 2019”.
    
    There is too much and all too easily articles published which are not actually quite correct nor based on good science in relation to CO2 and climate. It would be good to see mainstream media digging around to show balance. The lead scientist is Yohanna Villalobos ( [email protected] ).
    
    SCIENTIFIC PAPER
    A Comprehensive Assessment of Anthropogenic and Natural Sources and Sinks of Australasia’s Carbon Budget
    
    https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2023GB007845
    
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    October 28, 2025 12:27pm
  - Cantabrian
    
    Why do we want to get to net Zero?
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:04pm
- Northshoredoc
  
  Climate change is indeed being monetised.
  
  I haven’t seen any pastures in NZ covered in solar panels – certainly not to the degree you see when driving around the USA and Europe.
  
  Must say I’d quite like to see more solar panels on roofs as part of new builds to renovations to put more power into the grid and hopefully savings into home owners pockets.
  
  The guy you have linked to comes across as a riffing old coot.
  
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  October 28, 2025 12:25pm
- PurplePen
  
  The only effort NZ needs to make is the bare minimum to ensure we can continue to trade. Actually getting to net zero doesn’t really matter.
  
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  October 28, 2025 12:28pm
Skippytony

How is this not a jailing offence?

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/hit-and-run-driver-who-left-dog-walkers-for-dead-identified-as-solomon-barnes-auckland-company-director/

Words fail…..
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October 28, 2025 8:18am
- MCōs
  
  Words don’t fail me.
  The guy’s a lying bastard.
  He was driving a Ford Ranger, on a zoom call plus trying to call his long suffering mother when he claimed he collided with two women disguised as a recycle bin to avoid responsibility
  Then once his flimsy excuse didn’t work he attempted the groveling approach
  About ten lessons to be learned here
  #10 Admit you fucked up in the first instance
  
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  October 28, 2025 10:01am
  - R
    
    Lesson ONE, ……don’t drive and TEXT!
    
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    October 28, 2025 10:35am
- sirknz
  
  Driving a Ford Ranger, the Judge probably mistook him for one of the ‘special people’.
  
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  October 28, 2025 10:24am
redeye

Labour are going to campaign on their inflation tax. Fits right in with their Barbara Edmonds being open to allowing ‘inflation to run hotter’.
Of course the sweetner is free doctors visits. Have they checked with doctors to see if they’re happy with the government dictating their fee structures.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/labour-unveils-targeted-capital-gains-tax-to-fund-free-doctor-visits/644ZQX6QDFGFXAPO2O4FDSKELE/
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October 28, 2025 8:22am
- artemisia
  
  There is already a shortage of GPs in many locations. So would potentially millions of additional ‘free’ visits a year mean government run clinics?
  
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  October 28, 2025 9:16am
  - Foxfour
    
    Not additional visits.
    Just the 1st 3 pa ( for those not already getting them)
    
    Lost of visits are already heavily subsidised or free anyway.
    A standard GP visit would be $75-95 without existing government subsidies which reduce it to $20-$50 range
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:28am
    - RoboRob
      
      ‘Free’ visits will increase the number of visits. If you cant afford the $20 – $50 free, you dont go. Now you will.
      
      So yes, it will increase demand from those on lower incomes. Which, is the whole point after all. You want people to get treated. If it wasn’t going to increase the number of people going to the doctor you wouldn’t do it. Right?
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:37am
    - artemisia
      
      Details are still to come. We will then know what assumptions have been used for revenue collection and cost of the free doctor visits.
      
      Health insurers will be happy.
      
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      October 28, 2025 10:03am
    - PurplePen
      
      The current govt capitation rates are here:
      
      https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/for-health-providers/primary-care-sector/capitation-rates
      
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      October 28, 2025 12:33pm
  - cmm
    
    Make it “free” and consumption will rise – especially from those who love “free” stuff.
    
    I would be happy with paying $80 and not having to subsidise everyone.
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:46am
    - Ian Boag
      
      I think it’s a barmy idea to tie it to capital gains on property. It’s either a good idea or it isn’t.
      
      FWIW I lived in Canada in the far distant past and GP charges were a provincial thing. Some were free, some were part charges. Bizarre as it may seem, there was no significant difference in GP access rates. GPs were not overwhelmed with pesky unnecessary calls brought on by free access.
      
      Go figure
      
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      October 28, 2025 11:41am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        I think it’s a barmy idea to tie it to capital gains on property.
        
        That’s because you’re not a politician. In fact this is the selling point for the Left: “Sure we’re introducing another tax – but we’re using the money specifically for free doctor’s visits”.
        
        It’s a Motte and Bailey argument, and it works.
        
        Or perhaps just call it bait-and-switch.
        
        The concept of coming up with the money for free doctors’ visits by firing 10-20,000 bureaucrats, or some other spending cut, is not considered – because the free doctor’s visits is not really the point.
        
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        October 28, 2025 11:51am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Edmonds: wait, we get to set up Government run GP clinics? Two birds with one stone!
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:57am
    - R
      
      Another aspect of State controlled WELFARE…labour loves controlling. None of them have the gumption or ability to initiate an self funded enterprise that they would control. Too risky to us your on money perhaps
      
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      October 28, 2025 10:39am
- wsk12345
  
  It’s already 3-6 weeks to get a GP visit in many locations. Imagine if it were free, you could only ever get seen in reasonable time by going to the ED for your urinary tract infection or tetanus shot…..
  
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  October 28, 2025 9:38am
- Quail
  
  Red eye,
  Edmonds “ allowing inflation to run hotter” ??
  If that is Labours wonderful plan it is time to take our piggy banks and any cash off shore!
  And think about leaving NZ!
  Firstly it is bare faced theft from all NZ savings accounts including Kiwi saver and other individuals accounts,
  Secondly it is using the Reserve Bank for political purposes .
  Thirdly ,labour costs never catch up.
  Inflation can be ( and is surreptitiously ) used as yet another tax but it’s deliberate use ultimately will destroy the very fragile NZD and NZ economy .
  Edmonds should replaced as finance spokesperson!
  
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  October 28, 2025 10:30am
  - Colville
    
    Inflation when coupled with their CGT is a tax on the middleclass pure and simple.
    
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    October 28, 2025 4:01pm
- redeye
  
  Hipkins ruled out a capital gains tax. He said, in July 2023, “I’m confirming today that under a Government I lead there will be no wealth or capital gains tax after the election. End of story.”
  
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  October 28, 2025 11:44am
Tomtoddy

Labour forces its foot in the door of capital gains tax. Next time it will be a leg, Then the whole body.

If it was absolutely critical to make going to a doctor free why not cut some other useless spending – there is plenty to choose from. The left just don’t understand basic economics or shut their mind to it.
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October 28, 2025 8:23am
- Cassandra
  
  It’s bordering n smart politics. It’ll mostly affect CR voters and it’ll also slow down the turnover of baches. It’s also pretty dopey economics.
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:28am
  - rouppe
    
    Having a quick scan through the register of pecuniary interests, many MP’s list more than one property as their family home.
    
    What rules are going to apply to second and subsequent properties listed as a “family home”?
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:48am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      But but but – I’ve got to have a family home in my electorate. And an office in my electorate. And a flat in Wellington.
      
      Cue a carve out for MPs.
      
      You don’t believe it? Wait and watch, grasshopper.
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:59am
  - Foxfour
    
    Why is it dopey economics, the reverse is true.
    
    Other type of investment such as shares don’t have the capital gains exclusion, why the special case for residential property investment
    Remember when the loan interest costs was ‘ring fenced’ for residential property and it was hammered for breaking normal business rules ?
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:33am
    - RoboRob
      
      Actually fox, shares are exempt from capital gains too (unless you are a business). So IF Labour was to do CGT properly it would apply to ALL residential property and shares. That it doesn’t tells us all we need to know.
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:39am
      - rouppe
        
        Well… Sorta kinda…
        
        If you own shares in NZ listed companies, no cgt. If you own shares in Australian listed shares in the asx200 no cgt, but you also can’t use Australian franking credits.
        
        Anything else FIF rules apply, so cgt on maximum 5% gain of capital value. Although you can pay tax on the same capital gain more than once if share values wobble around for two years or more, as has happened before.
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:18am
      - RoboRob
        
        I was referring to NZ shares, as you say different rules apply to different countries overseas. If mum and dad buy shares in Contact energy, they wont pay any CGT on it when they sell it years later (unless they are traders). In exactly the same way as if they currently buy a second house and sell it years later, they dont pay CGT.
        
        I pay ~5% US CGT on US share sales. FIF only applies to portfolios costing over 50k and is (in my non accountant perspective) more of a wealth tax, in that you pay tax on the expected increase in value of your shares, regardless of whether you sell them.
        
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        October 28, 2025 11:34am
    - wsk12345
      
      Quite the opposite. We have a form of CGT on property already but NOT on shares.
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:39am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      What? None of what you wrote makes any sense.
      
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      October 28, 2025 10:12am
    - Warren Murray
      
      Your comment is muddled.
      
      When interest deductibility was (gradually) removed from investment properties, THAT was criticised for the reason you state.
      
      The ring fencing rule you refer to applies to loses from investment properties not being able to be applied to other income (i.e. ring fencing). Instead the loses are carried forward and can be applied to surpluses from the investment property/ies
      
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      October 28, 2025 11:41am
      - artemisia
        
        Correct, though there will be quite a few ‘accidental investors’ who carry forward losses on their only rental but never buy another. In that case those losses – which can be considerable – disappear forever when the IRD account is closed.
        
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        October 28, 2025 12:58pm
    - Paulus
      
      Will my already taxed Bank Term Deposits savings have an additonal tax taken on our savings, of top of the current tax, increased to cover the CGT as we have savings therefore are considerd rich ?
      
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      October 28, 2025 2:04pm
- KKNZ2025
  
  “The capital gains tax is only on investment or second properties.”.
  
  So, baches, holiday. 2nd + homes etc captured whether or not rented out.
  
  Labours virtue signalling the thin end of their wealth envy wedge to their congregation. There’s a more reasonable question whether the existing Brightline cgt speculator test should be 2, 5 or 10 years however for property owners its still the same asset with the same relative market value. The $ price +/- simply reflects money as the medium of exchange, re/devalued by monetary and fiscal policies outside the control of the asset owners. Looking forward to seeing their tax treatment of capital losses.
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:36am
  - cmm
    
    The envy wedge is working, especially with their target demographic who are growing.
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:45am
    - Foxfour
      
      Share investments are taxed on capital gain. Its dopey economics to have a special case for property investment.
      ACT forced the return of loan interest deductions why not go the whole hog and make it ‘like normal investment’
      Ideology is why ACT and National don’t when most other western countries tax investment properties
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:37am
      - RoboRob
        
        No, personal share investments aren’t capital gains taxed. You only pay tax on share profits if you are a trader / business. In the same way that there is no CGT on property sales but you do pay tax on profits if you are a business and sell.
        
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        October 28, 2025 9:41am
      - KKNZ2025
        
        “The capital gains tax is only on investment or second properties.”
        
        So, baches, holiday, 2nd + homes etc captured whether or not rented out.
        
        = Envy.
        
        “The problem with socialists is that they eventually run out of other peoples money” Maggie Thatcher
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:09am
      - cmm
        
        I would be far less opposed to CGT (and other taxation on investment) if it compensated for inflation.
        
        If your investments earn 3% interest you’re not really making any profit, but you still get to pay tax.
        
        To make that realistic you should allow people to write off their investments at 3% a year as an asset depreciation.
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:09am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        How are you so wrong? It’s impressive.
        
        Shares are taxed on gains IF they are traded. This is also true of property. Technically non-Australian (includes some Australian) foreign shares are taxed on unrealised capital gains (limited to 5% on opening value) but that’s it. So your argument is actually arguing that taxing property Capital Gains but not Shares is dopey economics.
        
        Loan Interest deductions are on residential rental properties i.e. deductible against income. It has nothing to do with capital gains and losses are still ringfenced so can only be claimed against rental income.
        
        Where are you getting your info from because it is very wrong?
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:20am
      - Foxfour
        
        Roborob thats not what what IRD says
        
        What you say is ‘the Red line rule’ where it must be long term for say dividend income – which is taxed
        
        property investments ‘red lines’ were removed to minimal levels
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:24am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sigh
        From the IRD
        ‘Income from taxable share sales
        There are tax rules which look at if an amount you receive is income for tax purposes. These rules may apply to the amounts you receive from selling shares.
        
        Amounts that you receive from selling shares are taxable when you:
        -bought the shares for the dominant or main purpose of selling them
        -have a share dealing business
        -have the shares as part of a profit-making scheme.’
        
        https://www.ird.govt.nz/income-tax/income-tax-for-individuals/types-of-individual-income/share-investments
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:34am
      - RoboRob
        
        @All_on_Red
        
        Thanks for that. Clearly FoxFour doesn’t have any shares but thinks he knows better then those that do.
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:38am
      - alloytoo
        
        Capital gains taxes are primarily a tax on inflation.
        
        Without inflation many asset classes would have little to no gain, expecially if you consider that taxes have already been paid on increased share value through the company in question.
        
        Then CGT inserts a really expensive compliance regime into a tax with sporadic actually gains.
        
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        October 28, 2025 11:28am
      - Ian Boag
        
        @cmm
        compensated for inflation
        
        Like we do (not) for PAYE, GST or petrol/booze excise. CGT is just PAYE – collected when you crystallise the investment because accrual would be a nightmare. The rest of the world handles the inflation/charging all in one year thing using something like “marginal rate less a discount”.
        
        I don’t know the full details, but the Australians apparently started of with “marginal rate adjusted for inflation”, found it all a bit hard and changed to “marginal rate less 50% discount”. The Canadians include 50% of the gain in the taxable income for the year it happens. They call it “inclusion %” rather than discount. Amounts to the same thing. Something like 20% is where most CGT rates land at.
        
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        October 28, 2025 11:53am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Clearly FoxFour doesn’t have any shares but thinks he knows better than those that do.
        
        Like I said the other day, we’ve basically got the equivalent of a “ztev” or “stephie boy” from 2015, but now armed with ChatGPT. It’s why he produces similar “detaild” crap across a range of issues vastly wider than any normal person would or could take an interest in.
        
        Sadly I think we can expect more like him on blogs and discussion forums. Not a bot, but a “bot-plus”.
        
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        October 28, 2025 11:58am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stephie Boy and ztev were smarter- lol
        Given how often F4 is wrong that isnt a glowing endorsement of ChatGPT…
        
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        October 28, 2025 1:35pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        GIGO
        
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        October 28, 2025 5:43pm
    - Jack5
      
      In a post at 11.28, Alloytoo’s ….Then CGT inserts a really expensive compliance regime into a tax with sporadic actually gains.
      
      If you want an economic and efficient capital-gains tax system from the State’s point of view, look at death duties, a.k.a. estate duties, which NZ abolished from 17 December 1992.
      
      Collect once, hard to dispute, easy to calculate, cheap to apply.
      
      On the other hand this tax was tough for many family farms — and similar-scale family businesses.
      
      Unless heavy life insurance had been set up well in advance, raising sufficient cash within the time limit was tough for families.
      
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      October 28, 2025 12:50pm
    - zulumonster
      
      Envy (one of the 7 Deadly Sins) no longer exists … it has been renamed Social Justice and is now a desired virtue.
      
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      October 28, 2025 12:51pm
- Gravelroad
  
  I am not sure that the bribe of free visits to a doctor will be enough for self-respecting and ambitious people out here to vote the communists into government.
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:39am
  - cmm
    
    Since when are they going for the self-respecting or ambitious vote?
    
    Remember that the envy-driven wastrel’s vote counts as much as the vote from the most industrious.
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:47am
    - Foxfour
      
      Envy …LOL.
      Its just treating like any other type of investment.
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:38am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Literally not.
        Capital gain on Art = no CGT
        NZ Shares not held on revenue account = no CGT
        Home = no CGT
        Businesses = no CGT (and rightly so)
        Other sundry appreciating assets = no CGT
        
        Rental properties = CGT
        
        It’s the opposite of what you’re saying.
        
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        October 28, 2025 11:31am
    - Paulus
      
      The ambitious aspect is reflected in the day off yesterday, being Labour Day, celebrates when the eight hour working day and the 48 hour working week became the law in New Zealand in 1899. Samuel Parnell, a 19th-century pioneer credited with establishing New Zealand’s eight-hour working day.
      How can this be equated with Labour’s CGT ?
      
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      October 28, 2025 2:13pm
  - RoboRob
    
    On a venn diagram the overlap of people who need 3 free doctors visits and the people who own batches and rental properties is damned close to zero.
    
    Labour have correctly decided they wont get the vote of property investors (after shafting them last term) but there will be suburban housewives who think it is good and just for society to make sure people get doctors visits.
    
    Seymour correctly pointed out on tv this morning that the relationship between the new tax and free doctors visits isn’t there. The free doctors visits will start before the government takes in any significant money from the new tax.
    
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    October 28, 2025 8:53am
    - MCōs
      
      Acting PM Seymour also said on First Up this morning that the government doesn’t lack revenue
      That’s not what the nurses, doctors, teachers and all the rest have been told
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/first-up/audio/2019010199/acting-pm-on-cgt-weather-soes
      
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      October 28, 2025 2:10pm
      - RoboRob
        
        The government has plenty of revenue but it also has far to much in the expense column. Until the government reduces its expenses, it will continue to have ‘no money for additional spending’. Labours solution for this is always more tax and extra borrowing.
        
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        October 28, 2025 4:29pm
  - rouppe
    
    The thing is, that figure of doctors visits costing $100 is only true for relatively wealthy people.
    
    So the people who “have to choose between food and doctors visits” never pay $100 anyway. My doctors visits are $19.50 with a CSC. Ghost’s are allegedly $0.
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:04am
    - Ghost
      
      What i said was i get a couple of free visits a year, as do others in the practice. Every other visits i pay for. Reception says what funding model that is under each time. My father had skin cancer removed recently, $350 per procedure with the gp. He has 3 ops on it, went to pay and it was covered by funding they got for it
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:23am
      - wsk12345
        
        My dad gets free visits most of the time but my mother does not. Apparently it’s about the illness he has, they have allocated funding to him in their system. Same age, same address, financial status etc. I think she pays $20. I pay $80 despite them being way better off than me.
        
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        October 28, 2025 9:47am
      - pdm
        
        I am under Care Plus with my GP. That used to give me one free visit a year out of four.
        
        It was taken away about 3/4 years ago for some reason I am not sure my GP worked out.
        
        I now pay $21 a visit plus (I think) $16 for a B12 jab. About 20 minutes with nurse and 10 minutes with GP which is taken up by prescription renewal and mostly general chat but, he does always ask is there anything worrying me and most times everything has been well covered before we get to that point.
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:17am
      - Ghost
        
        It’s interesting how different GPS charge. My GP doesn’t charge for extras, b12, cortisone injections, liquid nitrogen. But all the other GP’s in his clinic do. He’s also the only one, who if you see him on Christmas eve he doesn’t charge.
        
        I have a high health user card, so it’s $20 for me.
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:33am
    - RoboRob
      
      Umm, so your definition of relatively wealthy is people earning too much for the CSC?
      
      It may not be your experience but the majority of working tax payers don’t pay anything like $19.50 for a gp visit.
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:46am
      - rouppe
        
        I’m addressing specifically the claim of people having to decide between food and doctors visits having to pay $100 for a doctor’s visit.
        
        If you’re in that state you’re likely at the bottom of the income heap and thus eligible for a CSC.
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:24am
      - wsk12345
        
        Here’s an interesting one Rouppe. My sister is self employed, she earned $27k last year. She lives alone. She is ineligible for a CSC because they count her REVENUE not her PROFIT (which becomes her personal income) for this purpose. Her REVENUE is $48k.
        
        It also affects her kids ability to get a student allowance as the calculation also uses the $48k revenue figure rather than the actual income.
        
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        October 28, 2025 11:55am
      - rouppe
        
        My understanding is that it’s based on pretax income.
        
        So for you sister it should be on her pre tax “revenue” minus legitimate expenses and not include gst. It should not be on her after (income) tax number.
        
        No one’s income for services or subsidies is based on after tax earnings.
        
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        October 28, 2025 12:22pm
      - rouppe
        
        Looking deeper.
        
        I’ll take your sisters pre tax, after expenses, non gst income – ie taxable income – as 48k. Ird calculator has the tax on that as $7308 leaving $40692. So I don’t know how she ends up with $27k after tax.
        
        Next, I go to the study link website.
        https://www.studylink.govt.nz/products/rates/calculators/parental-income-calculator.html
        
        A student, under 24, with 1 parent that earns $48k, has no other income (part time job etc) and lives at home is eligible for a student allowance (over and above student loan) of $277.72 a week after tax. Living away from home $323.33 after tax.
        
        So something about the scenario doesn’t add up. Unless her pretax income after expenses is $27k, in which case the student allowance becomes even more accessible, and in fact I’d expect your sister to then be getting family tax credits or accommodation allowance or some other assistance.
        
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        October 28, 2025 12:39pm
    - Paulus
      
      Mine too but up to $20 last week.
      Don’t children up to 18 years get free visits or am I imagining this ?
      
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      October 28, 2025 2:14pm
      - Ghost
        
        Under 14 years are free
        
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        October 28, 2025 2:20pm
  - Handyman
    
    Once Labour voters calm down from celebrating the envy tax, most will realise they already get free doctor visits via the community service card and other benefits (child visits).
    Once Labour start paying GPs directly, it will be interesting to see how they are treated. Will GPs be a vital part of the community health system or will they be private (yuck!) operators ripping off the taxpayer?
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:13am
    - Foxfour
      
      ALL GPs are part funded by the government already as they belong to PHO.
      It would be near $100 per visit other wise instead of $20-$55 range
      The PHO payment is flat rate per patient ( depending age and other factors) per year
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:44am
      - RoboRob
        
        Doctors visits are NOT in the 20 – $55 range if you are working. More like the 60 – $100 range
        
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        October 28, 2025 9:50am
      - Ghost
        
        Depends if the person is eligible for a community service card, gold card or high health user card
        
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        October 28, 2025 9:58am
      - MCōs
        
        I go to a clinic in Three Kings and below is a schedule of their fees which vary from $19.50 if you have a CSC and have an appointment to $130 on public holidays.
        https://threekings.co.nz/fees-payments/
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:25am
      - rouppe
        
        Do super gold card holders get subsided gp visits at the same rate as CSC?
        
        I couldn’t find any reference to it here?
        https://www.govt.nz/browse/health/financial-help/government-help-with-healthcare-over-65/
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:28am
      - RoboRob
        
        @MCos, might have to move to Auckland. My GP is $67 for 18+ no CSC
        
        https://www.promed.health.nz/?page_id=2
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:41am
      - Ghost
        
        If your gp doesn’t do super gold then you need a super gold combo card
        
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        October 28, 2025 11:19am
    - Taieri
      
      Do super gold card holders get subsided gp visits at the same rate as CSC?
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      No. There’re no concessions unless you also hold the CSC.
      
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      October 28, 2025 1:20pm
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Please refrain from using the “labour” word in these discussions. In these times “communist” is more appropriate. “The verb “labour” means to work hard or exert oneself, often implying a sense of struggle or difficulty in performing a task. It can also mean to be burdened with something, such as a difficult task or heavy responsibility” The communists in this country right now don’t and will never know what the above definition means.
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:20am
    - Foxfour
      
      Why is communist to treat property different ( with no capital gains tax) from all other types of investment, mostly shares
      
      Your arguments are the ideology based fruit salad
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:46am
      - wsk12345
        
        Where do you get this thing about paying CGT on shares? I guess you do if you’re a trader but most of us don’t????!
        
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        October 28, 2025 9:48am
      - RoboRob
        
        Please learn about how shares are taxed. Currently personal property sales and person share sales ARE taxed the same (no CGT). Labour are talking about changing that.
        
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        October 28, 2025 9:56am
      - Conservatarian
        
        Perhaps he or she’s referring to a portfolio investment in foreign shares and the FIF tax rules. The default method of taxing a FIF is the FDR method under which the holder of the FIF has income equalling 5% of the opening value of the FIFs each year as at 1 April. The holder of a FIF comes under the FIF rules once he or she (once the person holds FIFs worth $50k or more).
        
        A FIF is taxed in a way that makes it a de facto capital gains tax on unrealised gains. It is objectively a terrible tax policy. Also it supposedly incentivises an investor to hold NZ (or listed Australian) shares as opposed to shares outside of Australasia at a rate far in excess of these countries’ share of the global sharemarket.
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:27am
      - rouppe
        
        Robo, I don’t know where you get the idea that capital gains on shares are not taxed.
        
        All foreign share holdings (over $50,000) are taxes under FIF rules, which is a cgt under another name.
        
        It’s true there is none on nzx listings, or asx200 listings but if you are saving for your retirement entirely on those exchanges you’re a mug.
        
        Any competent fund manager will hold foreign shares or other funds, and will be paying fif tax. You may not see it, but it’s there.
        
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        October 28, 2025 10:34am
      - artemisia
        
        Perhaps you are referring to the ‘intention test’.
        
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        October 28, 2025 11:12am
      - RoboRob
        
        @rouppe
        
        I was referring to NZers owning NZ shares. In the same way Labours policy is on Nzers owning NZ property.
        
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        October 28, 2025 11:38am
      - rouppe
        
        @Robo
        
        Are you sure labours policy is only on nz property?
        
        Normally ird taxes world wide income so property holdings overseas might be captured, though it’s true their “policy” statement doesn’t make that clear.
        
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        October 28, 2025 12:49pm
    - MCōs
      
      You might like to label Labour as communists. I don’t think actual communists would label Labour as communists — not by a long shot.
      
      Back in 2013 I read the comprehensive biography of Robert Oppenheimer upon which the more recent film was based.
      Pre WWII Oppenheimer was sympathetic towards the American Communists and coming from a wealthy family was able to make donations to their organization. However he never became a member because, although he agreed with some of their aims regarding alleviating poverty, there were plenty of other goals he disagreed with and with the communists it’s all or nothing.
      If you think the NZ Labour Party are communists you need to look up communism in the dictionary
      
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      October 28, 2025 12:06pm
  - AitchW
    
    Yeah, $180 worth of free GP visits traded off for tens of thousands of dollars of CGT when you sell the bach. Awesome deal….
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:21am
    - RoboRob
      
      Different people paying! If you are low income, 3 free GP visits is great. The people selling second homes or batches aren’t really the ones Labour are interested in.
      
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      October 28, 2025 9:58am
      - zulumonster
        
        Or, when you rob Peter to pay Paul you will always have the vote of Paul …
        
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        October 28, 2025 12:58pm
      - Taieri
        
        If you are low income, 3 free GP visits is great
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        If you are on low income you are eligible for the CSC, in which case one doctor visit costs you $19.
        
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        October 28, 2025 1:23pm
  - R
    
    Self respecting and ambitious people don’t vote for communisim
    
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    October 28, 2025 10:47am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    The “self-respecting and ambitious people” are heading overseas. By 2027 they’re going to be breathing a sigh of relief and thanking the gods that they got out before the axe fell.
    
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    October 28, 2025 12:00pm
- rouppe
  
  Make no mistake, this is a trojan horse.
  
  Let’s say there is a transition where people sell their rentals and invest in a global share fund. Cgt revenue slumps.
  
  So then they’ll say “CGT on share investments, but not kiwisaver”. People dump their share investments and invest it in the same thing in kiwisaver.
  
  Then they’ll change kiwisaver taxation regime.
  
  Similarly people invest in renovations or McMansions. So they’ll cap the level of exemption on residential homes.
  
  Something like that. Not immediately, but it’ll happen. National won’t repeal it. They never do.
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:54am
  - Foxfour
    
    Shares are already taxed on capital gains
    
    Its residential property the ideology based exception.
    
    https://www.taxtechnical.ird.govt.nz/interpretation-statements/2024/is-24-10
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:49am
    - RoboRob
      
      Nope you are wrong. FIF tax applies to OVERSEAS owned shares and ONLY where the total cost of those shares are more then 50k. FIF tax IS NOT a capital gains tax, you pay it regardless of whether you have sold shares. For under 50k international share holders you pay tax on DIVIDENDS, in the same way you pay tax on interest at from the bank.
      
      Tax on sales of shares in NZ only applies if you are classified as a trader, at which point you are treated as a business. Someone who buys a share and holds it for 5 years and then sells it IS NOT TAXED. Different rules apply to businesses.
      
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      October 28, 2025 10:03am
      - rouppe
        
        Kinda…
        
        Cullen introduced the FIF rules because a large proportion of overseas listed companies didn’t declare dividends and so he/ the government got nothing. He thought that wasn’t fair, when a large proportion of nz companies did declare dividends and the nz government got to clip that ticket.
        
        However to calculate fif liability, you used the opening share price at the start of the financial year and the closing share price at the end of the financial year, which is a measure of capital gain.
        
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        October 28, 2025 11:41am
      - RoboRob
        
        @rouppe
        
        I was trying to explain, basically, how the system works to FoxFour. I am no expert on FIF as I actively avoid having to do that level of work / expense for my personal share portfolio.
        
        Interesting to hear the history. So my least favourate tax was implemented by one of the meanest ministers. Not surprising.
        
        As you likely know there are multiple ways to calculate and pay FIF tax. I was referring to the FDR method (5% or market value per year). I assume you are referring to the CV method. Yes I agree CV measures capital gain, but I consider it more a wealth tax as it is taxing an unrealised, mathmatical gain. It is very possible to calculate the CV for a year and then try and sell you whole portfolio only to end up with more or less return then calculated.
        
        For those that really, really care 🙂
        
        Fair Dividend Rate (FDR) Method:
        
        Overview: This method calculates FIF income based on 5% of the opening market value of your investments at the start of the income year (usually April 1st).
        
        2
        Application: It is commonly used for listed shares and ETFs. If you choose to use the FDR method for one investment, you must apply it to all FIF investments for that year.
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        Quick Sale Adjustment: If you buy and sell shares in the same FIF during the year, you may need to make a quick sale adjustment to account for any gains.
        
        Comparative Value (CV) Method:
        
        Overview: This method calculates income based on the change in the value of your investments plus any gains or dividends received during the year.
        
        Application: It is often used when the FDR method is not applicable, such as when the market value of the investments cannot be determined.
        
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        October 28, 2025 1:59pm
      - rouppe
        
        @Robo
        
        All correct. Though in order to work out the regime most beneficial to you in any given year (FDR or CV) you basically had to do the CV calculation every year anyway…
        
        Doing the 5% FDR all the time is fine, it’s just you’ll win some and lose some, rather than get the most effective outcome more often.
        
        For awhile I had a bunch of personally owned share investments, including some non exempt ASX holdings. The paperwork was awful.
        
        Plus it got increasingly difficult and expensive to deposit foreign dividend cheques into my family Trust bank account. Once they refused to deposit it because it was made out to the trustees, not the trust, which I think is standard practice. I had to go to a different branch to find someone who wasn’t an idiot.
        
        Plus being directly owned by the Trust meant a tax rate of 33 then 39% applied to all dividends. So in the end I sold them all and went PIE fund. Hands off, 28% all the way, nothing else to do but be a bum.
        
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        October 28, 2025 4:47pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Dividends are Taxed but Capital Gains only if you are deemed to be a Trader.
      
      ‘For someone to be seen as a share dealer, a combination of (or all of the following) factors would need to be present:
      
      A high volume of regular activity (buying and selling)
      An intention to profit from share sales
      Regular or continuous monitoring of the share portfolio
      There is a system according to which shares are bought and sold
      Sales are frequent and part of the person’s normal operations in the course of making profits
      Large amounts are invested; and
      The person spent a significant amount of time on the dealing activity’
      https://bakertillysr.nz/news/tax-talk-the-latest-guidance-on-how-shares-are-taxed/
      
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      October 28, 2025 10:17am
  - R
    
    Very hard for a competent government to repeal a legislated ENVY TAX or ‘ENTITLEMENT’
    
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    October 28, 2025 10:54am
- mogg
  
  Back to the Labour’s economic ponzi scheme tax, borrow, spend…….then repeat.
  
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  October 28, 2025 10:06am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  What exactly is the problem with a CGT? Would a CGT not have prevented (or at least slowed) the recent housing bubble?
  
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  October 28, 2025 10:27am
  - alloytoo
    
    No it wouldn’t have. If anything some people might have been deterred from selling in the hopes of a better tax regime down the line, thus reducing supply.
    
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    October 28, 2025 11:33am
  - RoboRob
    
    Hard to know. AU has CGT and also had a housing bubble even bigger then NZs. Hard to know if AUs bubble would have been even bigger without CGT.
    
    I guess a CGT might slow a bubble IF the issue is that housing is the primary investment tool in a market. A CGT might make housing less attractive then other forms of investment. However you could achieve the same thing by making other forms of investment more attractive. For example…
    
    Removing the FIF tax on overseas shares
    
    Removing tax on KS returns and not taxing KS contributions (no PAYE), taxing on withdrawl instead.
    
    Tax offsets on business investments
    
    Delays / no tax on business profits in the first n years
    
    All of the above are things that could be done that dont involve the government taking more money.
    
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    October 28, 2025 11:45am
  - wsk12345
    
    it didn’t in Australia and they have CGT AND stamp duty!
    
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    October 28, 2025 12:00pm
  - Warren Murray
    
    I’m not convinced. Other countries that have CGTs also experienced significant house-price-inflation.
    
    Your question raises an interesting point; which is, what is the problem definition? Is HPI the issue, or is it that Labour needs to generate more revenue to further extend welfare?
    
    The first issue (HPI) has been arrested by multiple influences. I personally think constraining credit through DTI ratios is a specific intervention that has made a difference and can be tweaked according to the relative health of the economy.
    
    Labour has played in the CGT sandpit in the past and it seems it has decided to give it another go. It could be argued (as was mentioned on Radio NZ this morning) that the Government needs to generate more revenue to arrest the structural deficit we’re in atm. The Government also needs more $ to counter rising demographic-driven costs that loom.
    
    But Labour has decided that few people really understand or worry about a structural deficit nor do many people really concern themselves with the demographic tsunami that is coming. So, a CGT, by itself, won’t attract votes except, perhaps, from people who favour an envy tax. It resorts to tried and tested pork-barrel stuff, spending money it doesn’t have for more welfare and with no regard for capacity of GPs to handle what must be an increase in demand, not to mention a big question of whether the GCT revenue will match the cost of the bribe.
    
    I’m actually surprised they didn’t include some free dental care as part of this package.
    
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    October 28, 2025 12:02pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Excellent post.
      
      I too wondered why they didn’t throw in some subsidised vet care care for poor peoples pets too.
      
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      October 28, 2025 2:04pm
Prince

Does ‘Stuff’ have any opinion. writers who offer a right-wing perspective ?
Any critical analysis of Hipkins ? Any factual analysis of Green Party policies ?
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- RoboRob
  
  Nope. Even their cartoonists are only critical of the right.
  
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  October 28, 2025 8:54am
- pdm
  
  Damien Grant on a Sunday is `The Lone Ranger’ opinion writer for Stuff.
  
  The only one worth reading.
  
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  October 28, 2025 10:20am
  - Philview
    
    Stuff puts trigger warnings around Damien’s articles in case a sensitive Stuff reader ventures in there and sights centre right opinions.
    
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    October 28, 2025 10:39am
Handyman

Labour’s new tax announcement has three glaring omissions:
1. Inflation. A house that has doubled in dollar value equal to inflation will be taxed at 28%. This is an invitation for Labour to generate inflation.

2. Improvements: An old family bach that has been renovated for say $1m and sold for $1m will now pay $280,000 cash tax to Labour.

3. Investor behaviour change. City fringe land bankers will freeze all sales while Labour is in government and await the turn of National. Small builders will find it hard to buy land for social housing. Same for the state housing arm to source land for social housing.
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- RoboRob
  
  I imagine lawyers will do well out of this too. They will likely earn more out of this then the government will. I am sure there are many ways to minimise or avoid this paying this tax.
  
  I suspect, since Labour have been to scared to actually include the primary sources of capital gains (family homes), this tax will earn very little extra in the way of tax. It will also feature a significant government overhead to run and probably add to the lawyers costs of the public when transacting every sale, regardless of house type.
  
  So yeah a big fat loser of an idea, that scores well with Labours target vioting base.
  
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  October 28, 2025 9:00am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    More work for public servants – goodie!
    
    //, just in case
    
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    October 28, 2025 10:05am
  - pdm
    
    Not to mention Tax Accountants doing well too.
    
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    October 28, 2025 10:22am
- [email protected]
  
  Will the overall tax take increase or will other taxes reduce to compensate for the additional revenue?
  
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  October 28, 2025 9:05am
  - Taieri
    
    will other taxes reduce
    ————–
    
    Keep dreaming…
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:50am
  - RoboRob
    
    I am sure Labours goal is to increase the tax take, however I suspect once costs of running the system and avoidence are taken into account the actual extra tax take will be minimal. Although, of course, this is only step one. Once in it’s easy to expand into other areas.
    
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    October 28, 2025 10:05am
  - mw
    
    There is part of a problem that Labour have said things will balance out, it will make tax fairer. Pay more here but less there. That was some of the marketing in the past.
    
    Now they are rolling out a capital gains as additional revenue to fund new things. So they have laid the ground work that capital gains tax can be additional tax, not compensated by lower taxes elsewhere.
    
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    October 28, 2025 10:21am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      They probably realise that such an argument no longer works.
      
      For example, when GST was introduced at 10%, income taxes were cut in compensation, dramatically so from the days of Muldoon’s max rate of 66% IIRC.
      
      But now, forty years later, income taxes have slowly but steadily crept up again, via inflation, because fiscal drag is the government’s friend. But there’s also been steady increases in the rates. I well recall the fight in 1999 when Clark and Cullen pushed 39%, with the former explaining that the US had such a rate; no journalist ever pointed out that the income threshold for such a rate was well into 6 figures in $US while ours was around $NZ60k. At least now it’s $180k but fiscal drag still applies.
      
      Oh, and GST is now 15%, and I expect it will be pushed to EU VAT rates of 20% sometime in the next ten years.
      
      You see the same issue in Britain, where a “Conservative” government handed off to Labour an economy where the State’s proportion of tax and spending was the highest since WWII – and Labour actually think they can push both even higher.
      
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      October 28, 2025 12:18pm
      - KKNZ2025
        
        Not to forget over a decade now of bracket creep with both Labour and National clipping the extra “unearned” stealth tax in excess of currently $1Billion pa
        
        & why haven’t National repealed the FIF ? Cullens original illogical is no surprise: many companies put profits into growing their business (= share price) instead of dividends
        
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        October 28, 2025 12:37pm
- Ultima
  
  4. Rent will rise significantly, what an inconvenient truth.
  
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  October 28, 2025 9:53am
- imalwaysright
  
  If the average nett taxpayer had to sit down at 5pm every Friday and count out $500 in $20 notes and put it in a paper bag and give it personally to the tax collector on Saturday morning, there would be a far more acute interest in what was being done with the money, and far greater resistance to giving him more.
  
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  October 28, 2025 10:00am
  - Taieri
    
    If the average nett taxpayer had to sit down at 5pm every Friday
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    Median annual salary in NZ is currently $65748, of which $13043 is deducted as income tax and ACC levy. This leaves $52705 after tax income.
    Now deduct from this amount $7906 for GST, about $950 for excise (including ETS charges) on petrol and say $3500 for local rates. This will leave $40349, which is the actual annual net median income.
    Summarising, a person on the median income ends up paying around 38% of gross income in various taxes, levies and rates.
    
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    October 28, 2025 1:39pm
- Quail
  
  Handyman,
  Re 1– Labour s Finance spokesperson Edmonds ( according to others earlier on this blog) has already spoken.of “ allowing inflation to run hotter”
  This would be an absolute financial disaster for all NZ!
  Your comment is timely!
  
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  October 28, 2025 5:06pm
Inandout

Iwo Jima in my mind is the famous flag erection by those US soldiers, but what I didn’t realise was that the island was honeycombed with tunnels. Think of a termite nest and that was Iwo Jima. The loss of life was appalling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWWkMzhd8-w
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October 28, 2025 9:02am
- Colville
  
  Flame throwers, grenades and shotguns.
  
  Nasty.
  
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  October 28, 2025 11:51am
3-coil

Labour’s capital gains tax policy was leaked to RNZ over the long weekend….yet the leftist toadies at Red Radio sat on it, warned the hapless ChippieHipkins and the party, and then started telling the public their stale “news” only when Labour had rushed out their Tuesday morning early “announcement” of their CGT election policy.
RNZ are not a news service, they are a Labour Party PR service. Why do all NZ taxpayers pay for these leftist fake-news propagandists?
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October 28, 2025 9:02am
- Ian
  
  It was on Newstalk ZB at 6.23.a.m. Probably a lot of other media as well. I don’t listen to Red Radio. It’s not on TDB yet – strange that Bradbury’s been wetting himself to have Labour introduce a CGT…
  
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  October 28, 2025 12:45pm
Philview

With the proposed Capital Gains tax comes “Medicard”. I will put it out there, is this a Trojan Horse for Digital ID. Why do we need a “Medicard”?
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October 28, 2025 9:19am
- AitchW
  
  For when we have the next pandemic and have to have proof of vaccination…..
  
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  October 28, 2025 9:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think the next pandemic has arrived
    
    “Measles is far more deadly than Covid 19”
    (at 2.45 on the video clip)
    
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/10/27/two-measles-cases-at-wellington-colleges-prompts-stay-home-order/
    
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    October 28, 2025 10:50am
    - Don Beckett
      
      It’s a joke – 10 cases in the entire country, & the medical cotton-wool wrappers are in overdrive.
      Measles was common in my youth, and people took the necessary action – stay isolated until the spots disappeared. Sometimes, half the class would have it, then the surge would pass with no deaths.
      Rubela was the killer of babies in the womb – so pregnant mum’s received vaccines and then the vaccines were rolled out & given at school.
      
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      October 28, 2025 11:54am
      - Taieri
        
        It’s a joke – 10 cases in the entire country, & the medical cotton-wool wrappers are in overdrive
        —————–
        
        A certain Dame once shut down the whole country for 1 Covid case in Auckland.
        
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        October 28, 2025 1:41pm
    - Ghost
      
      I was watching a video the other day from china. They were breaking into peoples houses, taking their pot plants, killings them. A lady was walking down the fruit and vegetables in the shop and spraying them with fly spray. Towns being covered in spray. Seems they have a bad out break of chikungunya
      
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      October 28, 2025 12:01pm
AitchW

Labour is forced into an early announcement of a policy central to next year’s election by a leak.
Last week it was Aysha Verrel’s letter to a magazine announcing a panel to set GP’s fees, today it’s a CGT.
They do not look anywhere near ready for an election!
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October 28, 2025 9:20am
- R
  
  Labour have never looked anywhere near ready and competent to govern, but mindless Muppets still elect them
  
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  October 28, 2025 11:01am
  - AitchW
    
    The last shower was probably the worst ever example when they were elected in 2017. No policy, no ideas, no clues. IIRC they set up 300+ working groups to develop some policies for them. (Thanks Winston!)
    Imagine what they’d be like with the the Green and Maori parties strapped to them????
    
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    October 28, 2025 12:13pm
DimChappie

It seems Te Pati Maori are not paying some bills:

“This vehicle is sold on behalf of a Finance Company. This vehicle has been repossessed”

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/trucks/box-body/listing/5595756740
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October 28, 2025 9:21am
- imalwaysright
  
  Reminds me of the meth lab camper from Breaking Bad…
  
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  October 28, 2025 10:05am
- mw
  
  The state of it inside. Screams of I don’t own it and don’t plan to pay for it.
  
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  October 28, 2025 10:24am
- nathie
  
  Sheesh, look at all the rubbish inside the vehicle and the poor state it is in (according to the photos)!
  
  Spent the money on a new paint job on the outside (or was it a favor owed?) but used the inside as a tip! Appearances, appearances, people!
  
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  October 28, 2025 10:30am
  - AitchW
    
    It appears the listing has been withdrawn…
    
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    October 28, 2025 12:14pm
- Ghost
  
  You’d have to prove they own the truck first, it has peak audio productions on it and big rig staging. It would be odd for the party to buy a truck instead of lease it just to use as a billboard
  
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  October 28, 2025 12:22pm
  - DimChappie
    
    A truck with TMP stuff all over it has been repo’d and they didn’t even bother with a quick respray. A massive blunder, highlighting their disarray.
    
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    October 28, 2025 1:02pm
    - Ghost
      
      Nothing to spray over, if you look at the photos you will notice they are signs that are on the truck, not a paint job to paint over. As big rig staging and peak audio productions logos are still on the truck then it could still be owned by peak audio productions.
      
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      October 28, 2025 3:35pm
- zulumonster
  
  Auction has been withdrawn … best question is “If I am successful with winning this, what assurances do I have that Te Pati Māori won’t try and claim it back in 150 years time?”
  
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  October 28, 2025 1:14pm
Oldfield

Policy effects: GP demand up. Supply unchanged. Environment: GP fee increases capped but level not. New Authority proposed by Labour to set GP subsidies etc.
Outcomes: Longer queues for GPs? Higher GP prices authorised? Both? Improved access to healthcare for those needing it?
Conclusion: Kiwibuild MkIII
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October 28, 2025 9:27am
Hugh Jarse

Grok – has there ever been a more ridiculous CGT proposal anywhere in the world ?
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October 28, 2025 9:48am
- AitchW
  
  Probably not, but make no mistake, this is merely to get a foot in the door.
  If, god forbid, we get a Labour/Green/TPM coalition at the next election they’ll pass this law asap and then start expanding the scope almost immediately.
  
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  October 28, 2025 10:37am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Unless we start making more money by rapidly improving productivity we’re going to get a CGT, increased GST and income taxes after 2029 or 2032 anyway.
    
    At this stage it’s built into the system.
    
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    October 28, 2025 12:21pm
- mogg
  
  Good to see that investments will be exempted, but their current proposal will just be the thin end of the wedge, their potential communist coalition partners will demand CGT on everything. The Greens are still intent on the fair distribution of poverty.
  
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  October 28, 2025 10:40am
RoboRob

Under Labours CGT system, If I sell a house for a loss will I be able to claim that against my taxes? Only fair right?
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October 28, 2025 10:08am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Yes you will but they will need to increase taxation in other areas to pay you out.
  
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  October 28, 2025 3:11pm
Scooter

Another biased headline against the govt. Once you read the article it’s extremely rare that the government takes money from an estate and in fact the Public Trust a crown entity have a dedicated team looking for relatives.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/government-pockets-nearly-700k-from-kiwi-who-died-with-no-will-or-traceable-family-members/
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October 28, 2025 10:50am
- Ehlana
  
  Also, what else, rationally, should we do with such estates?
  If a person makes no will and has no relations, it seems a sensible disposition to put their estate into our national common account. In most cases, I would guess the amounts involved would be small.
  
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  October 28, 2025 11:48am
  - PurplePen
    
    Subsidise GP visits. Seems to be the flavour of the week.
    
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    October 28, 2025 5:02pm
Colville

So Chippies CGT.

Mum and Dad own a house and a beach house. Surely it will just be one “family home” each? after they “split up”?

At the entry date for all property will it have to be valued? and resold to set that value?

Whose family lives in a house owned by a trust? (like mine!)
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October 28, 2025 11:04am
- Libertarians are right
  
  You’ll be caught if your house is in a Trust. Labour are scared of Trusts and think they’re evil.
  
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  October 28, 2025 1:05pm
NothingLeft

Why is Trump talking about a third term? It’s never going to happen so why raise everyones hackles over it? It can only (rightly IMHO) gin up more strident opposition to him.
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October 28, 2025 11:21am
- Philview
  
  Do you know if he can run as a Vice President?
  
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  October 28, 2025 1:42pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Having twice been elected to the office of the President, Trump is now constitutionally ineligible to a third term as president. That being the case, he is ineligible “to [the office] of vice-president of the United States.” (See the last sentence of the Twelfth Amendment.)
    
    Both Steve Bannon and Trump are just trolling. There is not enough time to amend the constitution in Trump’s favour before November 2028, and, in any case, the Republicans don’t have the necessary two-thirds majorities in both chambers of Congress. In addition, the Democratic Party controls 18 of the 50 state legislatures, so there is no three-quarters Republican majority there, either.
    
    Conclusion: Nothing can change the fact that this current term is Trump’s last.
    
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    October 28, 2025 9:27pm
    - Mike
      
      When the supreme court rules in 2028 that Trump (if still alive) can run, what do you think would happen?
      
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      October 29, 2025 7:08am
      - Steve Todd
        
        I doubt that will happen – what would be the reasoning of the majority? – but if it does, I imagine all hell will break loose.
        
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        October 29, 2025 9:11am
BeaB

I’m already bored at the thought of the endless banal debate about the CGT. The media is already droning on with the usual pros and cons.
It’s a difficult tax to administer and hardly worth the trouble for the money it raises.
And then to spend what little they do get on free doctor visits for everyone, including the richest in the land! Absurd.
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October 28, 2025 11:31am
- AitchW
  
  The list of exemptions seems to keep growing.
  By the time they’ve navigated the labyrinth of exemptions and exceptions, then paid for the proposed Medicard (including paying for the small army of public servants employed to administer it) there will be no cash left for the GP visits!
  
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  October 28, 2025 12:29pm
  - mandk
    
    It could be less than no cash if doctors jack up their charges, knowing that their patients won’t have to pay.
    
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    October 28, 2025 2:42pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360865067/how-cool-would-it-be-replace-christopher-luxon-maori-person
This is what you write when you are running low on ideas for this week’s column- another “interviewing the typewriter” ramble about who might be a great Maori Prime Minister and of course, a few more digs at Mr Luxon.
Wasn’t Peters W. once PM for a time?
And what happened to Simon Bridges ( who is mentioned in the article)?
Actually, what did happen to him?
A while ago now, but I never did get the real reason /explanation why he was shunted out?
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October 28, 2025 11:42am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Someone (the journalists never did do their job to find out who) paid a lot of money to get an Australian Bot Farm to spread a constant stream of lies and attacks against him online and a couple of morons took the opportunity to lead a coup against him.
  
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  October 28, 2025 1:04pm
- cmm
  
  Ummm, why would it be “cool” to have a Maori PM, or a gay one, or a one-legged Buddhist lesbian?
  
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  October 28, 2025 3:02pm
Ghost

US President Donald Trump says he underwent an MRI during his most recent visit to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, but he declined to provide details about the reason for the scan.

Article

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, compared to how the media ignored the very obvious issues with president autopen.
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October 28, 2025 11:48am
- All_on_Red
  
  Heck at his age I would appreciate being given an MRI at my Annual check up.
  Good way to catch things when they are just starting
  I would have been surprised if they hadn’t have given him an MRI!
  
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  October 28, 2025 3:51pm
  - Ghost
    
    This wasn’t his annual check up, that was earlier this year
    
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    October 28, 2025 3:58pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      From your link
      ‘The 10 October visit, described by the White House as a routine yearly checkup’
      Meh, once twice- so what.
      And what has an MRI got to do with Mental Competence which was the issue with Biden and the Autopen scandal?
      (Rhetorical question not needing an answer)
      
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      October 28, 2025 4:54pm
      - Ghost
        
        This wasn’t his annual physical as you so deliberately miss from the article, that was a few months ago. You can read his annual physical from this year here.
        
        https://www.medpagetoday.com/washington-watch/washington-watch/115125
        
        And my comment which obviously went well over your head, it’s ok, I mean you don’t even understand what annual means. This Page will help you understand.
        
        It will be interesting, when the media completely ignored biden’s health issues, to see if they give this a passing mention or as it appears is happening, bring in countless experts to say what they believe the mri was about
        
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        October 28, 2025 5:16pm
      - Mike
        
        The key issue is, of course, whether he ‘passed’ the dementia screening test this time. Recall “person, woman, man, camera, TV”?
        
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        October 28, 2025 6:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        Interesting thought Mike, I went and asked ChatGPT
        
        Word-finding difficulties and misunderstanding familiar terms (like “annual”) may occur in early dementia, particularly in types like Alzheimer’s or primary progressive aphasia.
        
        These issues often accompany other symptoms such as:
        Trouble following conversations
        Repeating questions
        Forgetting recent events
        Confusion about time or place
        
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        October 28, 2025 7:16pm
Jack5

Smart-arse Aussie joke on the Internet …

Condoms were invented in Australia, from sheep intestines.

New Zealand was slightly earlier, but Kiwis didn’t take them out of the sheep.
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October 28, 2025 1:06pm
cmm

I see the wowsers are having a go at Temu for selling dangerous magnets.

Lots of things are potentially dangerous – including magnets. Don’t feed them to your kids – especially dim ones!
Presumably the kid does not have a credit card so the parents bought the magnets.

I don’t see why this should be put at Temu’s door or in any way blamed on the manufacturer. This is all on the parents.

Would this still be “news” if the kid swallowed a nail or a 10 cent piece or a condom?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/temu-distances-itself-from-13-year-old-boy-who-swallowed-100-magnets/UUTU4CQDXZBSTJVFCM6SNJMMCU/
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October 28, 2025 3:00pm
- Ghost
  
  Another stupid social media trend.
  
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  October 28, 2025 3:10pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360868301/we-are-very-sorry-university-apologises-after-error-law-exam
No problem: it is only the Law.
Completely irrelevant when it comes to the judges doing the sentencing.
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