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Cassandra

Matua Kahurangi, writing about the mismanagement of the Urewera National Park by the Tuhoe tribe: “Time and time again, the iwi elite at the top of the pyramid have shown they cannot responsibly manage large sums of public money. Nepotism, cronyism, and self-interest dominate decision-making, while the broader community sees little to no benefit.”

He could have been discussing any one of a number of Maori organisations. Millions of dollars handed over yet the statistics are, if anything, getting worse.

AKA tikanga? Will NZ be a cold and wet Fiji in a few years?
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November 29, 2025 8:05am
- Boy Geoff
  
  Maybe kaitiakiship has different cultural expectations?
  
  Is there a Maori and English translation that is agreed upon and accepted?
  
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  November 29, 2025 8:27am
  - AitchW
    
    I believe that there is a paradigm held dearly by the woke that there are concepts in Maoridom that Pakeha are literally incapable of understanding.
    I have been told that whanau is one of those impenetrable to pakeha concepts.
    Perhaps kaitiaki is another.
    
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    November 29, 2025 10:34am
  - Boy Geoff
    
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    November 29, 2025 10:38am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  It was criminal. Literally.
  
  They planned to destroy 48 huts. At least 29 were destroyed before the High Court said stop.
  
  https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2023/12/14/high-court-condemns-29-te-urewera-huts-burnt-down-as-unlawful/
  
  Even worse, DOC supported the destruction. 🤬
  
  Why? Because they don’t want people to visit the park.
  
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  November 29, 2025 8:33am
  - rouppe
    
    Has anyone walked the Lake Waikerimoana Track Great Walk recently?
    
    It would be interesting to know what state those huts are in.
    
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    November 29, 2025 9:47am
    - Paulus
      
      What Huts ? – are there any left as I understand Tuhoi take no notice of anybody.
      A special race unto themselves and some poor hereditory forebears still clearly deeply among them.
      There are words for that too !
      
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      November 29, 2025 11:32am
      - rouppe
        
        That might be back country huts. It’s still an active great walk on doc website but don’t know if that’s real
        
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        November 29, 2025 4:49pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Same as the rahui in Waitakere Ranges. They’ve illegally closed the park for nearly a decade. There is no gazetted rahui.
    Closing of the forests is an Agenda 2030 ideology as sure as bicycle lanes and high density apartments.
    
    It’s known as the wildlands project. A no go core zone, surrounded by a buffer zone (like a heritage area or such) connect by wildlinks. And that the forest areas will be run by ngo’s not governments.
    
    We have been creating wildlinks here. The idea in the USA was to have wildlinks so that large animals could traverse the country but obviously we don’t have mountin lions or bears but we are also creating wildlinks and core zones. And organisations have been talking with governments about running our public land.
    
    https://protectnevadacounty.wordpress.com/wildlands-map-2/
    
    https://www.forestandbird.org.nz/projects/north-west-wildlink
    
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    November 29, 2025 10:03am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      While you say “no-go”, it’s not actually “no-go” for all of us.
      
      Someone’s gotta play the whale song to their bros.
      
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      November 29, 2025 1:39pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Iwi organisations are inherently nepotistic. In fact, I doubt the word ‘nepotism’ as non Maori understand the concept exists in te reo Maori.
  
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  November 29, 2025 9:12am
  - Phronesis
    
    Nepotism is covered under the concept of whanau. It’s the same across a fair bit of the world to be fair. The concept that if you work in the public service, then your allegiance is to the public first (over family, or self) is pretty novel to most cultures. Of course the very concept of public service or public money is pretty recent in most places too.
    
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    November 29, 2025 11:29am
- Mike
  
  It’s their land, and the last part of the country to be conquered, in 1916. Let them do what they want on their own land.
  
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  November 29, 2025 12:46pm
  - lifesgood
    
    We can’t do what we want with ours. There’s all sort of rules and regulations. Why should they be any different?
    
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    November 29, 2025 1:25pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    “Their own land” – chortle!
    
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    November 29, 2025 1:40pm
  - pdm
    
    So Mike what you are saying is that Sovereignty for the whole country was ceded by way of conquest.
    
    As happened when the Romans and then the Normans conquered England etc etc etc etc.
    
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    November 29, 2025 3:27pm
    - Mike
      
      Not what I’m saying, no.
      
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      November 29, 2025 3:41pm
      - Jack5
        
        Double negatives don’t work in English, Mike.
        
        With the exception of the odd traditional phrase such as “neither nor”.
        
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        November 29, 2025 8:16pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They want Whitney off the land, don’t say they don’t, I have been told by NGA Tahu spokesman who does not like some of the crap Māori are caving for, the same guy told me they are also calling for civil war, be-careful what you wish for.
    
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    November 29, 2025 6:48pm
    - Nikola Donatello
      
      Who is Whitney?
      
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      November 29, 2025 9:09pm
Anthony Melchett

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/teachers-disciplinary-tribunal-censures-first-year-teacher-for-slapping-elbowing-student/WNO6DRKEZ5HXLBKEDZ72YYIQHY/

Teacher should get a medal, not a censure.

Care to guess any details about the student? I can’t see them being Asian…
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November 29, 2025 8:16am
- Colville
  
  You think a teacher should get into a punch-up with a student? That would go really badly for most teachers….
  
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  November 29, 2025 10:04am
  - pdm
    
    You are right Colville and that is not new.
    
    Back in the early to mid 80’s I ran into a teacher I sort of knew through playing cricket against him ten or so years before.
    
    He told me had resigned as a teacher before they could sack him because he had hit the back of a kids hand with a ruler (presumably the edge) and drawn a small amount of blood.
    
    When I started school in the early 50’s the first teacher (an older lady – she might have been in her late 30’s)) I remember disciplined kids that way, presumably boys and girls that way on a daily basis. I don’t recall her drawing blood though.
    
    It seemed to be common practice then and without repercussions.
    
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    November 29, 2025 11:05am
- imalwaysright
  
  No.
  There’s no justification for an adult elbowing an eight year old in the side of the head.
  I’m surprised that she isn’t facing police charges.
  
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  November 29, 2025 10:08am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I thought the student did the elbowing and the teacher slapped back
    
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    November 29, 2025 12:49pm
    - Ghost
      
      No
      
      When the student tried to wriggle free, the teacher elbowed him in the side of the head. The student responded by striking the teacher in the face. She then let go of the boy’s wrist and slapped his face.
      
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      November 29, 2025 12:59pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Okay
        
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        November 29, 2025 3:18pm
- Ghost
  
  Teacher should get a new job if they think assaulting an 8 year old with behaviour problems is acceptable. The police should be prosecuting her for assaulting a child.
  
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  November 29, 2025 10:08am
  - Paulus
    
    More details first please – who, where and why ?
    
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    November 29, 2025 11:34am
  - lifesgood
    
    Any badly brought up brat can claim to have behaviour problems these days. Every ghastly child has an excuse made for them. Poor teachers.
    
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    November 29, 2025 12:45pm
    - Ghost
      
      Doesn’t matter how a child behaves, the teacher assaulted a child. Strange blog, people constantly talking about Maori child abuse, but applaud the physical abuse of a child by a teacher
      
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      November 29, 2025 1:01pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Agreed
        
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        November 29, 2025 1:03pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “but applaud the physical abuse of a child by a teacher”
        
        Where did someone do that? Name, date and time of post would be good.
        
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        November 29, 2025 6:26pm
  - Philview
    
    The child was out of control disrupting class, threw a yogurt at the teacher and swore at the teacher. She is an inexperienced first year teacher and has apologised. The ideology of mainstreaming children with behavioural problems is flawed. One of my children had a severely autistic child in their class who screamed a lot and attacked other children. The parents of that child didn’t want their child in a mainstream class.
    
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    November 29, 2025 1:21pm
    - Ghost
      
      Doesn’t matter, there is no reason to assault a child. There have always been out of control students, good teachers know how to deal with them, and it doesn’t involve assaulting them. Any other reasons you think justify an adult assaulting an 8 year old child? What level of physical assualt on a child is acceptable to you? Many other countries would see this teacher fired, arrested, and before the courts. Hell, if this child’s parents did what the teacher did they would be under police investigation
      
      And no the child was not disrupting the class, surely you can at least get the basics right, it was lunch time and a group of students were throwing around their plastic spoons. Even the teacher admitted they were wrong
      
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      November 29, 2025 1:33pm
      - Taieri
        
        a group of students were throwing around their plastic spoons.
        ———-
        
        Students? Strange term for 8 years old children…
        
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        November 29, 2025 2:36pm
      - Philview
        
        The newspaper articles I read didn’t mention it was lunchtime.
        
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        November 29, 2025 3:38pm
      - Ghost
        
        The tribunal’s decision, publicly released yesterday, stated that at lunchtime, several students had started throwing spoons at other children, and the teacher intervened, asking one boy to come with her.
        
        Article
        
        BTW, after further help dealing with kids with special needs, she now works with them as a teacher
        
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        November 29, 2025 3:52pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost have you ever been a teacher in the modern clown-world teaching environment?
        
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        November 29, 2025 6:27pm
      - Jack5
        
        Ghost’s …Even the teacher admitted they were wrong …
        
        Please permit a digression, Ghost.
        
        Who “they”? We can deduce it’s the teacher, but we shouldn’t have to use deduction for such a statement.
        
        For clarity and conciseness, English needs to retain use of third-person singular pronouns. All of them: he, him, his; she, her, her; it, it, its.
        
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        November 29, 2025 8:32pm
      - Ghost
        
        No, the teacher admitted they were wrong is correct. Unfortunately for you, I’m not going to change because some people are precious around language now days. Are you one of these activists that ends all their correspondence with he/him, she/her?
        
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        November 29, 2025 8:42pm
      - Jack5
        
        Here are two examples of why using “they” as a third person singular pronoun is confusing in this case.
        
        1. …the teacher admitted they were wrong …
        To be grammatically consistent shouldn’t that be: the teacher admitted they was wrong?
        
        2. In the example, the teacher has already been identified as “she”. Following that, could using “they” for “her” suggest she was of indeterminate gender? Some women teachers might find that offensive.
        
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        November 29, 2025 9:32pm
- MCōs
  
  The days of teachers using physical force against little kids have long gone, but it’s easy enough to say these things to a new teacher faced with a difficult child.
  However that’s the job and a lot worse can happen.
  I’ve talked to my elderly teacher sister about what she’d do with under such circumstances and grabbing the kid is the very last resort. Usually they’d get backup. At one small rural school that was next the police station they’d get the Bobby to pop by. That has a calming effect.
  Another not so good idea is to eject the kid who’d immediately run around to the window and start pulling faces at the other kids.
  
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  November 29, 2025 12:24pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    For the vast majority of boys, caning worked to control di**head behaviour. These days elaborate, hardly effective and time wasting schemes are required which hold everybody back.
    
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    November 29, 2025 6:32pm
- Ra Henare
  
  and we still believe anything written in MSM?
  
  Consider the Herald looking for a headline.
  
  Teacher hits Kid?
  
  or Student out of control?
  
  Which would attract more clicks?
  
  A 2023 Curia poll found that approximately 40% of readers view it as neutral, while 30% perceive a left lean and 30% a right lean.
  
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  November 29, 2025 4:07pm
Hugh Jarse

You give any group large amounts of money with no accountability, no tracking systems and no auditing, no expectations or outcomes and the inevitable result will be it will be mishandled and end up as bad headlines. Temerity by government departments too scared of being branded racist facilitates this behaviour.
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November 29, 2025 8:27am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Sorry should have been timidity not temerity
  
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  November 29, 2025 10:57am
- Christopher Thomson
  
  Add in huge doses of entitlement to said group.
  
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  November 29, 2025 12:59pm
peterwn

https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/11/28/housing-patrols-and-cleaner-streets-new-action-plan-for-auckland-cbd/
“Auckland Central MP Chlöe Swarbrick backed the housing commitment but urged a deeper focus on root causes.” – Is that what Paula Bennett and Bill English were doing up to 2017 when Labour/ Greens dismantled the initiatives. Trouble is such initiative reduce state dependency and the Left needs this dependency to underpin the left wing vote.
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November 29, 2025 8:29am
- rouppe
  
  Isn’t the root cause feral people who don’t care what they do or what mess they make?
  
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  November 29, 2025 9:49am
  - peterwn
    
    And Paula’s and Bill’s policy was to help to ensure kids could grow up without becoming feral.
    
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    November 29, 2025 10:58am
- NoFax
  
  The root cause is the liberalism over the last 50+ years. Treat people as accountable for their actions – both good and bad. If a person cannot be held accountable, then there needs to be serious intervention. So, for mental health, reopen the mental institutions, and if crime, then a long time in prison.
  
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  November 29, 2025 12:28pm
Nikola Donatello

It is remarkable that multiple police officers thought that they could get away with using their police devices to access porn and dodgy material.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360902816/long-serving-officer-quits-police-investigate-staff-device-use

Most folk own personal laptops and smart phones. All they had to do was wait until they were at home and off duty. (My statement assumes that the material is legal. If it is unlawful, the use escalates from a breach employment conditions to criminal offending.)
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November 29, 2025 8:47am
- Chuck Bird
  
  From what I have seen and heard on the MSM, the stuff was illegal.
  
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  November 29, 2025 8:59am
  - peterwn
    
    Any employee (especially police employees and judges) who uses work computers for ‘objectionable’ material (which is definitely a crime) or near objectionable material (a serious employment breach) must be bonkers.
    
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    November 29, 2025 9:14am
  - Nikola Donatello
    
    That may be. The point I was making is that you can most certainly lose your job for accessing porn at work, even if said porn is perfectly legal to view in New Zealand. Which is why any folk with brains don’t do that.
    
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    November 29, 2025 9:26am
  - imalwaysright
    
    The Supreme Court ruled that an employee using the employers internet for private use is theft.
    They could sack them for that alone regardless of the content.
    
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    November 29, 2025 10:12am
    - Ghost
      
      If you are talking about the Daniel Davies case, that was a district court.
      
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      November 29, 2025 11:09am
    - peterwn
      
      Yes, theft of electricity – s271 Crimes Act – “Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years who, without claim of right and with intent to cause loss or harm to any person, wastes or diverts any electricity, gas, or water, or causes it to be wasted or diverted.” Misuse of internet or phone services regarded as theft of electricity.
      A guy in UK removed the cover of a junction box in a phone booth, connected a handset to the terminals and made a free call. Mr Plod saw what he was doing and arrested him. The Beak sent him to jail (the barriers to imprisonment are less in other countries than NZ).
      
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      November 29, 2025 11:09am
    - Nikola Donatello
      
      Sensible employers have sensible policies. You can use work internet to check the news on your lunch break. Or do some banking. An audit would quickly distinguish betwen reasonable and improper use.
      
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      November 29, 2025 11:47am
- MCōs
  
  Not necessarily porn. Could have been gambling.
  I suppose it depends where the police draw the line
  I read about someone who managed to wrangle a short meeting with a crown minister over some pressing issue and he had one eye on the cricket on the TV.
  
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  November 29, 2025 9:30am
- BananaLlama
  
  Most folk own personal laptops and smart phones. All they had to do was wait until they were at home and off duty. (My statement assumes that the material is legal. If it is unlawful, the use escalates from a breach employment conditions to criminal offending.)
  
  Not sure about this new case but the kind of content that was found on McSkimming’s devices is something that McSkimming would have to go looking for. It wasn’t him accidentally stumbling across illegal adult content being hosted online.
  
  https://nationwidepaymentsystems.com/mastercards-policy-on-adult-content/
  
  Suppose Mastercard determines that a platform is being used to push adult content without following these regulations. In that case, the platform’s account may be terminated. This policy is part of Mastercard’s commitment to ensuring that only lawful activity occurs on its network.
  
  This is effectively a tactical Nuke that can be employed by payment processors which has forced Adult websites to clean up their act.
  
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  November 29, 2025 9:30am
Yvette

“Treaty” in schools – Stockholm Syndrome?

Treaty advocate and lawyer Tania Waikato has responded to comments made by Education Minister Erica Stanford over the creation of a list of schools that have committed to upholding Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
As of yesterday, 1306 schools – more than half of schools in the country – feature on what is dubbed Te Rārangi Rangatira. Waikato has been publishing a daily update of the list with a map of Aotearoa showing the location of schools.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/11/27/advocate-fires-back-at-minister-over-disgusting-schools-te-tiriti-list/

Many Boards of Trustees have not held public meetings since the 4th November 2025 government announcement of law change, yet declarations have already been issued.

The speed with which more than a thousand schools issued these declarations … suggests decisions were driven administratively, not democratically. When constitutional-level statements can be issued without visible parental mandate, the governance model no longer matches what parents were told it was. – Judy Gill is a parent, former teacher, and a staunch advocate for secular education
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/judy-gill-what-giving-effect-to-te-tiriti-means-in-schools-and-how-zoning-denies-parents-real-c

What is rather concerning is that Tania Waikato has rallied 1306 schools to support her drive to oppose any change in New Zealand schools teach.

The total number of schools concerned is about 2,533
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November 29, 2025 9:03am
- Paulus
  
  God help any school who supports the Minister as they would soon find they are on a losing everything usually by the MOEd and tye Maori dominated Unions like many.
  
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  November 29, 2025 11:38am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Principals have told Erica that they are being stood over by unions and threatened, Erica stated this speaking to media, but again no mention by rotten media, and Erica ripped Tova a new one in the process
    
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    November 29, 2025 1:01pm
  - MCōs
    
    I didn’t see Auckland Grammar on the list yesterday, but St Andrew’s and St Cuthbert’s are there.
    None of those schools would be influenced by union pressure I’m sure
    
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    November 29, 2025 1:27pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes they will be, the principals are in the seperate union for school principals, I don’t see Erica is a person that came right out and called the union bullies, she doesn’t seem to like getting angry, but she did in the media stand up I watched, but the best thing was her slapping Tova down and doing the Tova by name thing, Tova was screeching like Chloe in the house, whaling in and yelling and accusing mon stop
      
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      November 29, 2025 3:22pm
- MCōs
  
  A scarcely credible comment on facebook from Sam Uffendell
  As someone said of all the things that didn’t happen this was the didn’test
  https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1Bj8QWKMsN/
  
  [Mod – End Facebook links before the ?, or people can see your identity]
  
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  November 29, 2025 11:39am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Stanford has stated that more than one principal signed the identical letter said they had the unions stand over them with a gun to their head as told her they did not want to sign it. Virtually ever letter had the fist comment someone say NGA Mihi, it’s just bullshit, Erica’s work I think in the end will be the difference, and health is improving, some might not think so, but with waiting list shrinking and getting far quicker then voters getting quick surgery will be thinking what world are these fools in, ED wait times are down to less than 6 hours as was a promise at the election. 2200 extra nurses have been hired, and 100s of doctors, I see yesterday Browne stated they will be hiring 1800 newly qualified nurses from the trainees this year which is 80% but not one mention in media
  
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  November 29, 2025 12:59pm
peterwn

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/luxons-kiwisaver-move-is-good-now-raise-the-super-age-matthew-hooton/premium/I6BGQA7SFRAWBFNS7URGRB2P7Q/
Matthew Hooton – “Luxon’s KiwiSaver move is good, now raise the Super age”.
All very well, but a good journalist would also have acknowledges this ain’t gonna happen until Winston Peters is pushing daisies.
Also both Andrew Little and Chris Hipkins as Prime Ministers expressed the concern that it would be unfair to increase the age beyond 65 in the case of retired heavy manual labourers. Personally I have sympathy with this viewpoint, but how do you determine who fits that criterion especially as someone like a lineman may stop climbing pylons and be a storeman or similar in latter years of employment.
In the 1990’s National had promised (to stop votes going to Winston Peters) not to means test or otherwise interfere with superannuation . But National found a way around that by applying a tax surcharge to superannuation payments which was effectively a means test.
So possibly instead of raising the superannuation age, it could be means/ asset tested (at least between 65 and 72 years old). This would reduce the superannuation burden on the economy while still enabling full payment at 65 to retired lower paid workers. Admitted there are potential complications like family trusts coming back into vogue and policies would need to take that into account.
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November 29, 2025 9:07am
- peterwn
  
  Oops I did not notice my link was to premium content. My apologies. However the headline says it all.
  
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  November 29, 2025 9:15am
- Ian Boag
  
  Asset testing can become hard – although the Australians do it and don’t seem to be doing away with it anytime soon.
  
  Income testing is a breeze because IRD and MSD share data. There are no doubt ways around it, but we shouldn’t make perfect the enemy of good. Also the pension does not amount to enough to fund the legal and accounting work that might drive the avoidance.
  
  Last time I saw an estimate, abating the benefit so it was all gone at a taxable income of $100k would yield a couple of billion give or take. Money for old rope …
  
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  November 29, 2025 9:16am
  - MCōs
    
    Australia’s pension also kicks in at 67 and it’s more transportable outside the country for long term residents than NZ
    
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    November 29, 2025 9:39am
    - MCōs
      
      Why the downtick? It’s true?
      
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      November 29, 2025 10:21am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Aus pension looks good for now but the state and fed Lab crooks/incompetents are working hard on their delusions with other people’s money. So trust nothing.
      
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      November 29, 2025 6:06pm
  - KKNZ2025
    
    People >$100k are already paying income tax that covers their own pension & almost certainly paid for many other people’s pensions over their lifetime.
    
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    November 29, 2025 9:40am
    - Wandering Star
      
      “People >$100k are already paying income tax that covers their own pension, and almost certainly paid for many other people’s pensions over their lifetime.”
      
      First, the claim that they are effectively paying for their own state benefit through their income tax means they aren’t paying any tax for the rest of the community’s benefit, which is the point of tax.
      
      Second, it’s good that you acknowledge that it is the tax payer, here and now, who funds the payment of super benefits here and now, and they aren’t drawn out of the super recipient’s pool of accumulated tax-paid funds set aside for that purpose.
      
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      November 29, 2025 1:32pm
  - Simon
    
    42000 people aged 65 plus earn $100,000 plus. Of course that $100k would include Nat Super.
    
    It would be a gradual cut off.
    
    Also there are around 35000 people aged 65 plus not on National Super. Expect many these don’t take Nat Super for reasons they consider it welfare they don’t really need.
    
    Means test Nat Super might save $500 to $800 million pa. Which would barely cover say what the Ministry of Maori development spend each year.
    
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    November 29, 2025 9:41am
    - Wandering Star
      
      “Means test Nat Super might save $500 to $800 million pa. Which would barely cover say what the Ministry of Maori development spend each year.”
      
      That’s no case against it though – let’s means test Super, and scrap the Ministry of Maori Development.
      
      Super as it stands is not affordable. Like the DPB, National Super was always intended as a very short term thing in quite limited circumstances, but now Super is a lifestyle for people who, frequently, don’t need it. They just can’t stand the idea of a freeby from the productive sector of society that they aren’t receiving, despite their incessant anti-“socialist” ravings.
      
      It was never meant to be paid, 1) for 20 or 30 years post-retirement, which is not uncommon; nor 2) to high net worth individuals who don’t need it, but take it anyway due to their sense of entitlement.
      
      There is genuine need for Super for many people, but not for the staunch vocal advocates for individualism and “self sufficiency” – well represented on this blog – who nonetheless, in part, live off the public dime when they can get it. These people think that they are “owed” this top up from the younger people who actually pay for this Super benefit.
      
      They aren’t owed anything. The “lifetime of taxes” they cite as justification for receiving their Super benefit have already been spent by governments of the day, and they have already benefitted from that spending.
      
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      November 29, 2025 10:19am
      - Albie
        
        Bloody rubbish! Where in para 4 do you get the idea that individuals of high net wealth are not eligible?
        Was that tabled in the legislation? Who decides what high net wealth is?
        You’re sounding like that nasty little man Hipkins!
        
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        November 29, 2025 4:28pm
  - Paulus
    
    Assett testing in Australia creates very many fiddles and here of course Maori would be excluded anyway.
    
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    November 29, 2025 11:40am
    - Wandering Star
      
      Says a lot doesn’t it? Asset test an “entitlement” and these people will attempt to game the system anyway so they can still get it – that in itself shows the character of the people we’re talking about. Similarly, you see fairly well off people arranging their affairs to game the system to receive a Rest Care Subsidy, again revealing their sense of entitlement and individualism. Then they complain about wasting taxpayer money unnecessarily.
      
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      November 29, 2025 11:53am
- Simon
  
  1 in 8 working age on permanent welfare. Excluding Nat Super and including social housing, spending on NGOs in welfare area, the annual govt spending on non-Nat Super welfare is $30 billion
  
  This is growing each decade, increasing as a percentage of GDP.
  
  National super is an easy target. Problem for NZ overall is the country is struggling to meet the expense of a massive bloated welfare state which continues to grow in size.
  
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  November 29, 2025 9:23am
  - Wandering Star
    
    Where would you suggest the diminution of social welfare largess begins, then? Stopping wealthy Boomers receiving their unneeded Super benefit seems like the most obvious place to start, saving a heap of cash to no great ill effect – except perhaps an upsurge in envy and resentment from the wealthy Boomers who are suddenly made to live on their own wits and resources again.
    
    A compromise could be to let them keep their benefit, but remove their right to vote (a proposition we sometimes see these people suggest with reference to some categories of their younger co-beneficiaries).
    
    Isn’t letting the beneficiaries have a say a recipe for bringing in, or maintaining, deleterious and unaffordable policies?
    
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    November 29, 2025 10:26am
    - Burtland
      
      well the people with a heap of Kiwi Saver should be stopped from claiming Super too
      – this is clearly going to be the (intended) outcome
      
      how the greedy narcissistic tiktok generation deal with this will be interesting
      
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      November 29, 2025 1:21pm
      - Wandering Star
        
        Kiwi Saver only exists because, although politicians can’t really admit it, they know the Super benefit is unsustainable at present and will likely cease to exist at some point, or will at best be drastically reduced in scope.
        
        Meanwhile, they don’t want to upset the “greedy narcissistic” (to use your characterisation of younger generations) Boomer generation and risk losing their votes by doing what needs to be done now, rather doing nothing and the whole thing collapsing when all the Boomers are gone and have sucked us all dry.
        
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        November 29, 2025 1:40pm
      - Mike
        
        OK boomer
        
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        November 29, 2025 5:00pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Pretty obvious that NZ is way too poor with it’s NIMBY economy to give super to those who can live comfortably in retirement off their own money.
        
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        November 29, 2025 6:11pm
      - Burtland
        
        no sensible rebuff on KiwiSaver stopping Super payments …
        and the Cullen fund?
        maybe they want to scupper this down as well
        
        seems Kiwi Savers only want it one way – talk about entitled
        
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        November 30, 2025 1:03pm
- Flossie
  
  I have every sympathy for heavy manual labourers and agree their bodies may well be “done” by 65. However please don’t underestimate the wear on the mind and body of those perceived to have it easy – i.e. office workers. Using your brain and concentrating for hours every day does have its effects too.
  
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  November 29, 2025 9:33am
  - Graeme Hall
    
    I have every sympathy for heavy manual labourers and agree their bodies may well be “done” by 65.
    
    Are there any heavy manual jobs left? Builders & tradies do a lot of muscular work, but these days the traditional heavy manual jobs are done by machines. In the case of CityCare, most staff can be observed killing time between brews by breastfeeding their shovels.
    
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    November 29, 2025 3:16pm
- nigel2010
  
  No how about reducing the waste and other welfare dependency it was noted the Latu family which was in the news not long ago was on welfare of over $1900 a week which is more than 2 x the minimum wage, no wonder they don’t want to work, it’s not that we can’t afford the pension it’s that every man woman and child wants more and more of the pie without having to contribute
  
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  November 29, 2025 9:43am
  - Wandering Star
    
    “… it’s not that we can’t afford the pension it’s that every man woman and child wants more and more of the pie without having to contribute.”
    
    No, we can’t really afford the pension (and other benefits), and this is because every man woman and child wants more and more of the pie without having to contribute.
    
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    November 29, 2025 11:59am
    - cmm
      
      We can’t afford the Super where it is just an extension of the benefit (ie. live on the benefit or other hand outs for your whole life, then switch over to Super when you turn 65).
      
      What many seem to get upset about are people earning $100k+ a year and still getting Super.
      
      Well, first off, Super is taxed, so it is already partially means tested. Secondly, the income tax they are paying is enough to cover the Super (or close). They’re just getting a bit of a tax break.
      
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      November 29, 2025 12:58pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        just getting a bit of a tax break
        
        For being old and prosperous. Seems an odd selection criterion …
        
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        November 29, 2025 3:14pm
    - slijmbal
      
      @Wandering – the real scary cost is not the super itself – as a %age of GDP we actually pay out a relatively low amount compared to comparable countries – the health costs of oldies like me will swamp super.
      
      We really need some form of mandatory health insurance ala the Dutch.
      
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      November 29, 2025 11:34pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Not that you could blame the Latus – they are a pretty extreme case of how complex welfare systems – with stuff tacked on that all seemed reasonable at the time – can generate some perverse results.
    
    But people like me who take the age benefit (aka “super”) are of course entitled to it 🙂
    
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    November 29, 2025 7:47pm
- Taieri
  
  someone like a lineman may stop climbing pylons and be a storeman or similar in latter years of employment.
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  There’re multitude of storeman jobs just waiting for old linesmen, scaffolders, treedoctors, roofers, coal miners and even airline pilots. Employers are screaming for them…
  
  Instead of pissing around with means testing, increasing age by a year or and so on, what stops us from investigating how other countries do it and devising a contributory system with compulsory, dedicated, individual retirement accounts? The start has already been made with the KiwiSaver so it can’t be all that difficult. There’re never ending complaints about Muldoon closing down compulsory scheme many moons ago. Yet, in 50 years since, no government has done anything about reinstating it. Why?
  
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  November 29, 2025 9:43am
  - cmm
    
    There is a myth that only people doing physical work get worn out. Not so.
    
    I’m at completely the opposite end – software and chip design etc. I am 63 and can certainly feel that my brain does not perform nearly as well as it did 10 years ago. Heck, even 5 years ago.
    
    I suppose I could cut back to working 50%, or maybe only 25%, of the time (eg, work 50% of the time during winter and take the whole of summer off).
    
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    November 29, 2025 1:05pm
    - Burtland
      
      they say theres a looming “dementia crisis”
      – I can t remember where I read it 😂
      
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      November 29, 2025 1:30pm
  - Burtland
    
    what happened to the Cullen fund that the boomer paid for ?
    – did Labour snaffle that too?
    
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    November 29, 2025 1:25pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The first withdrawal is on the government’s budget next year o think. I am sure Willis stated a half a billion dollar withdrawal next budget, strangely there was no out rage. She also pointed to next year being the initial first date that it should be used
      
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      November 29, 2025 3:28pm
- Christopher Thomson
  
  How about the gubberment gets out of superannuation completely. Every kiwi gets a kiwisaver account.
  
  I am sure there are clever buggers who can work out how much the state needs to contribute to give the pension and then anyone can top it up to fund a better but delayed lifestyle or knowing they will retire early can add more too.
  
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  November 29, 2025 1:06pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    What a great idea. Tell today’s 40-odd people that the state won’t have a pension for them at 60-whatever. Or if there is it will be nowhere as generous as the one their olds currently get.
    
    They need to be responsible and save. Good stuff – now if they could just do that without having to provide pensions that their olds are getting right now …. sort of double dipping in reverse 🙁
    
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    November 29, 2025 3:20pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      To get rid of super the date would have to be set and KiwiSaver would have to be topped up annually, the best way to do that would be name a date that changes for school leavers and do it that way, but when you have tossers like Labour they would say vote us in, we will dump that
      
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      November 29, 2025 3:30pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Duh? I don’t understand. So I’m a 45 year old under the current system and your idea comes in next month. Will I still be paying just as much tax as now to support the olds currently getting it? As well as saving for my own non-gummint-funded retirement …
        
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        November 29, 2025 3:39pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I’m saying when it starts it starts from school leavers, you 45 years olds have not just left school have you?
      
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      November 29, 2025 6:53pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Can you just lay it out with some numbers etc?
        
        If I got it right, school leavers will be told there will be no super for them but for the next umpty years they will be paying tax to provide a pension for their olds – a pension they won’t be getting ….
        
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        November 29, 2025 7:50pm
- Mike
  
  There is a sweet spot to hit in reforming superannuation.
  The boomers are the big problem. Even the youngest of them, now in their sixties, grew up thinking the government would take care of them, while the older boomers were the ones outraged that the free money since 1976 might be messed with. The people already retired in 1976, who saved more money are dead now, and lots of the most selfish generation are dying off now.
  
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  November 29, 2025 6:30pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Please explain this “sweet spot” …. I don’t understand the idea.
    
    Personally I think the best reform is to raise the age to 70 – starting tomorrow at 6 months/year. It worked fine for the 60-65 shift …
    
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    November 29, 2025 7:52pm
    - Mike
      
      Yes, I think we are in the sweet spot about now. A gradual increase to the eligibility age, and gradual introduction of asset or income testing, are needed now. These need to be combined with gradual changes to support Kiwisaver and moves to compulsory retirement savings.
      
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      November 30, 2025 6:56am
NeverMindTheBollocks

IRD’s view of crypto is that it’s inherently speculative and therefore gains are taxable. I would have thought that it’s a hedge against inflation, similar to gold. After all, unless you’re a jeweller, you’re unlikely to use gold for anything other than a paperweight.

http://www.thepost.co.nz/business/360897298/crypto-investors-face-tax-crackdown-70-non-compliant/
May be paywalled
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November 29, 2025 9:17am
- rouppe
  
  The hedge against inflation argument doesn’t garner much sympathy for housing, so why should it for any other asset?
  
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  November 29, 2025 10:02am
- MCōs
  
  I listened to an accountant or a lawyer the day, I forget which. Their client invested $100k in crypto which escalated to $1.5mil. They sold and didn’t pay the tax which was owing, but instead reinvested and wound up back where they started, but with a big tax bill.
  In NZ we don’t pay tax on gambling winnings, but we do pay tax on interest.
  
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  November 29, 2025 10:31am
  - peterwn
    
    IRD can assess tax on gambling winnings. This would apply in cases where a person with very sound turf knowledge can beat totalisator or bookmaker odds regularly and live off the net winnings.
    
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    November 29, 2025 11:15am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Radio NZ is shameless (I know, I know). This morning’s Saturday programme to date is entirely female – both presenters, with interviews and topics featuring a young actress, vaginal micro biome and autism in females. While these topics may be of interest to all of us, it’s striking how RNZ misinterpret their taxpayer funded charter to reflect the nation back to itself.
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November 29, 2025 9:20am
- Paulus
  
  New Zealand is now a feminist run Country started by Helen Clark remember.
  
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  November 29, 2025 11:42am
- Burtland
  
  unfortunately I think it does reflect the nation back to itself
  – plastic maoris, unionists, failed comedians, lifelong academics and the general leftard art communities – these are the shouty groups now shaping NZ
  
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  November 29, 2025 2:15pm
TripeWryter

Rick The Anglo Saxon dissects the voyage of grievance to Geneva by Tureiti, Lady Moxon.
He’s brilliant.
Equally brilliant is his reply in the comments section to a couple of people who complained about his Maori pronunciation.
We will never see this kind of dissection by our mainstream media.
Ryan Bridge gave Lady Moxon enough room for the holes to be exposed but that was about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71WumrrCH94&t=28s
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November 29, 2025 9:41am
Nikola Donatello

A video clip of some morons spray painting a train in Auckland last night.

https://www.reddit.com/r/auckland/s/oXNafmu5Y4

It could be stopped. Capture a few and apply the Singapore solution.
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November 29, 2025 10:02am
mogg

A viral Tik Tok vid from the North of England, showing a bricklayer standing on a cold snowy building site holding his trowel and saying “sometimes I want to give it all away but then I remember there are people on benefits who are depending on me”
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November 29, 2025 10:43am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  A few other tradies in the UK have done these along the same lines.
  
  The brickie is part Jamaican as his Dad immigrated there.
  
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  November 29, 2025 12:48pm
- Inandout
  
  mogg, after that budget we were told of a Muslim man who has 3 wives and 11 children. He is chuffed because as he has no job his worries are over. The UK is an immigrant’s paradise.
  
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  November 29, 2025 1:15pm
- MCōs
  
  Alternatively
  Thailand doesn’t have much in the way of social welfare apart from rudimentary standard healthcare and education, but no unemployment benefit and a farcical pension scheme.
  Consequently everyone below the very wealthy, which is just about everyone, has three alternatives.
  Work until they die, save so they can put down their weary burden or rely on their kids who may not always be reliable.
  One can moan and groan about our system whereby some people may appear to get money for nothing, but that’s always going to be the case and to my mind is preferable to an alternative where nobody gets anything just to catch a few bludgers
  
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  November 29, 2025 1:56pm
  - rouppe
    
    And yet there’s very very little begging in Thailand (that I saw), no great camps of the destitute, and no rampant robbery of “rich Farang”.
    
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    November 29, 2025 4:57pm
    - MCōs
      
      There’s slums all over the place.
      
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      November 29, 2025 8:43pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I believe back in the glory days of massive public housing builds in NZ (IE 1930s) you still had to save for a deposit and be working to get one. That’s how it should be now. There are too many freebies and too many entitled grifters. That is unaffordable.
    
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    November 29, 2025 6:18pm
Ghost

What the hell

Juan Orlando Hernandez, Former President Of Honduras, Sentenced To 45 Years In Prison For Conspiring To Distribute More Than 400 Tons Of Cocaine And Related Firearms Offenses

DOJ

And he is going to get a pardon from Trump,
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November 29, 2025 2:10pm
- MCōs
  
  In the meantime the USA is blowing up a succession of boats allegedly carrying drugs and killing survivors.
  Never mind. As long as Trump says it’s okay who are we to disagree?
  https://x.com/thetnholler/status/1994203033949872397?s=61
  How do you argue with that?
  
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  November 29, 2025 3:01pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I believe there are a number of republicans questioning whether due process was followed in doing this. As they should.
    
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    November 29, 2025 6:39pm
- virtualmark
  
  How much do you reckon Hernandez is paying for his pardon?
  
  Trump has been a drug user since at least the mid-1970s. I doubt he has strong personal convictions about stopping the flow of drugs. He just wants his slice of the money.
  
  Meanwhile today’s revelations about the boat bombings has me convinced Hegseth’s future probably involves a jail cell. Perhaps Trump can pardon him for US laws, but I suspect if he leaves the US he’ll find himself sharing a cell with Maduro in The Hague.
  
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  November 29, 2025 3:29pm
- Philview
  
  He pardoned someone recently then admitted he had never heard of them. It is an unusual process.
  
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  November 29, 2025 3:33pm
  - RichardX
    
    It is an unusual process.
    
    The “process” is who pays and how much.
    
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    November 29, 2025 6:41pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Many presidential pardons are done with people coming to him and putting their case. One thing is for sure, it wasn’t illegally signed by the auto pen
    
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    November 29, 2025 6:55pm
NothingLeft

Insightful discussion between Joe Rogan and Chris Williamson on power seeking behaviors in humans:
https://youtu.be/F8qxwts_bE4?t=2886
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November 29, 2025 2:15pm
Steve Todd

There is a very interesting special election in Tennessee’s 7th congressional district on Wednesday (our time).

The candidates are the robotic, colourless and odourless Trumpista, Matt Van Epps, and the vibrant state representative, Democrat Aftyn Behn.

This is a Trump +22 district, but the latest Emerson College poll has Van Epps on 48% and Behn on 46%, with 5% Undecided. Understandably, Trump and MAGA Republicans are panicking. Should Behn pull this one off, it would be a “massive rebuke” for Trump and the Republicans going into the mid-terms.

See this informative MeidasTouch review of the current situation, by Ben Meiselas: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adInJFn2Z6I [23:07].

For background information regarding this election, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Tennessee%27s_7th_congressional_district_special_election.

I have to say, Kiwibloggers, I’m rather looking forward to Wednesday afternoon.
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November 29, 2025 3:51pm
- Conservatarian
  
  [Mod – unnecessary]
  
  In this debate, will the “vibrant state representative, Democrat Aftyn Behn” confirm her crystal clear previous statements indicting severe disdain or outright hatred of numerous aspects of her district (which focused on parts of Greater Nashville)?
  
  “I hate the city, I hate the bachelorettes, I hate the pedal taverns, I hate country music, I hate all of the things that make Nashville apparently an ‘it’ city to the rest of the country. But I hate it,” she said in the [2020] podcast.
  
  https://nypost.com/2025/11/21/us-news/tennessee-congressional-hopeful-aftyn-behn-says-she-hates-nashville-country-music/
  
  I have to say, Kiwibloggers, I’m rather wondering why this stock standard AWFL thinks she’s going to win with such clear and obvious views.
  
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  November 29, 2025 5:22pm
  - Mike
    
    Hating country music? In Nashville? And she’s close to winning a district that should be a walkover for the Republicans?
    
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    November 29, 2025 6:05pm
    - Conservatarian
      
      “Close to winning” by being second in a two horse race?
      
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      November 29, 2025 6:24pm
Philview

Melissa Stokes now takes over the anchor role at TVNZ News. She has had to work her way up the career chain the hard way so I wish her well.
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November 29, 2025 3:52pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  How did she work her way up the hard way in news reporting ?
  
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  November 29, 2025 10:27pm
Sparrow

While just reading about the Labour Party Conference taking place today. The name of Barbara Edmonds the finance spokesperson for Labour came up. Had heard the name but knew little about her. So checked out her Wikipedia CV. Very impressive from humble Pasifica beginnings to degrees in laws and arts. An expert in taxation matters. Complemented by the likes of Luxon for early work. Then thought must check out her adversary across the chamber. Nicola Willis from an elite upbringing gained a degree in English Lit and journalism. Now the Minister of Finance. An interesting comparison between the present Minister of Finance and possibly the next.
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November 29, 2025 5:07pm
- Mike
  
  Ministers of Finance.
  Muldoon – accountant
  Douglas – accountant
  Caygill – lawyer
  Richardson – lawyer
  Birch – surveyor
  English – literati
  Cullen – historian
  Joyce – zoologist
  Robertson – political scientist
  Willis – literati
  
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  November 29, 2025 6:20pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    So only 2 accountants, the rest rubbish
    
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    November 29, 2025 6:58pm
    - Jack5
      
      Rob Muldoon was the first cost accountant in NZ.
      
      In 1955 he was president of the NZ Institute of Cost Accountants and led the merger of this organisation with NZ Society of Accountants, of which he was a fellow.
      
      Muldoon began his accountancy study while serving as a soldier in the South Pacific and in Italy.
      
      Many regard the first cost accountant to have been the famous potter, Josiah Wedgwood, in the late 1770s, who saved his firm with his methods and work.
      
      America’s AI firms could do with a wave of new cost accountants.
      
      In my working life, I found that usually the chief financial officer, always an accountant, knew more about a firm than any other executive, and usually more than the directors, too.
      
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      November 29, 2025 8:00pm
      - Mike
        
        Muldoon had an impressive career as finance minister under Holyoake. That success convinced him that as prime minister he would always be right. None of his ministers were strong enough, or cared enough, to provide any restraint.
        
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        November 30, 2025 7:05am
- greybeard
  
  If Edmonds has degrees in laws and arts, how come she is an expert in taxation matters ?
  
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  November 29, 2025 6:44pm
  - Mike
    
    Gosh, it seems possible that to work as a specialist taxation lawyer she gained some rudimentary knowledge of taxation, and possibly other financial matters as well.
    
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    November 30, 2025 7:09am
G the giant from Dunedin

Reading sadly about Labour wanting to win all 7 Māori seats at the election. Manuel the only Labour electorate Labour holds ( many here say Labour never won any seats) was speaking, telling Maori if you want self determination and independent sovereignty then you have to vote Labour.

Be very careful NZers, a change in government means even deep push into Maori take over of this country, some are saying Willie will push Hipkins out soon, he’s too dumb I would think but who knows, I actually hope he tries, it will wake NZ up not big time
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