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peterwn

“Warriors league legend Manu Vatuvei stopped at border, denied entry into Australia”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-warriors-league-legend-manu-vatuvei-stopped-at-border-denied-entry-into-australia/KJTLV6FL4REMJEY3GAFBTJO2ZI/

Goodness knows why this is news. It is a foregone conclusion – that if you answer ‘yes’ to the serious conviction question you will be 501’d out of town on the next flight. If you answer ‘no’ and Oz customs know this is a fib you are still gonebanger, Presumably if he applied for a visa and showed repentance, the Aussies might just possibly have said ‘yes’.
He must have been incredibly thick or lived in a vacuum if he did not know about the Aussie 501 rule.
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December 15, 2025 8:01am
- Cassandra
  
  Why did an airline allow him to board in the first place?
  
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  December 15, 2025 8:04am
  - peterwn
    
    Actually, I wondered that myself. If he presented a NZ passport at check-in, I think the airline will just let him board. I do not recollect being asked the ‘conviction’ question when checking in for an Australian flight, it is probably not something the Australians require. Perhaps 501 turnaways on arrival in Australia are rare because most people know the rules, that there is little point in the Australians requiring extra checking before departure.
    
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    December 15, 2025 8:44am
    - Foxfour
      
      501s are already resident in Australia.
      
      Border turnarounds can be for criminal or health concerns
      
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      December 15, 2025 9:45am
      - peterwn
        
        Section 501 Migration Act 1958 (Aus) also applies to people entering Australia.
        
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        December 15, 2025 10:04am
  - rouppe
    
    Because :
    1. There is no law against a person with a criminal conviction leaving the country.
    2. No visa is required for a nz citizen to travel to Australia, therefore no etsa type process that would present the opportunity for the other country to refuse entry before boarding
    
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    December 15, 2025 8:57am
    - Foxfour
      
      There is a process before you leave for Australia if you have any serious convictions
      https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-support/departmental-forms/online-forms/travelling-with-a-criminal-conviction
      25 working days process time
      
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      December 15, 2025 10:13am
      - rouppe
        
        I didn’t know about that. How did you come to know?
        
        Anyway it is an “enquiry form” not a pre authorization. It still says “The decision whether to grant an SCV is made at the Australian border”.
        
        So I think my two points still stand…
        
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        December 15, 2025 2:06pm
      - Foxfour
        
        I was curious about their system.
        I know they recommend in those TV border shows that NZers with serious convictions – but historic- go through a pre approval at the Consulate or similar
        USA has a similar system of Consulate pre approvals
        
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        December 15, 2025 4:27pm
- Simon
  
  Meth dealer or importer only a few years ago. Already out. Should have been put away for 20 yrs.
  
  The state refuse solve the meth problem by locking up scum for long time. Why is out already? Why do the politicians let them walk free?
  
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  December 15, 2025 8:15am
  - pdm
    
    Politicians, Judges or both?
    
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    December 15, 2025 8:45am
    - R
      
      Mainly ideologically deluded JUDGES. We in NZ, seem to have a ‘moral compass’ problem within our judiciary!
      
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      December 15, 2025 9:14am
      - Foxfour
        
        The sentenced fitted the crime
        “The brothers were involved in an “unsophisticated” drug ring that imported just over 2 kg of methamphetamine from India across four different packages in late 2019.”
        Manu Vatuvei was sentenced to three years and seven months imprisonment after pleading guilty to a single representative charge of importing methamphetamine.
        His brother the ringleader got longer
        Lopini Mafi was sentenced to seven years and two months for the same offense
        Pleading guilty (late) and no previous serious offences reduces the prison time
        
        They seem very likely to have had other shipments which Customs didnt detect
        “In Vatuvei’s room, police found digital scales, an empty bag containing white residue, a money counter, a box containing multiple empty bags, a dish containing a white powdery residue, remnants of white powder on a bed sheet, a TV on the wall showing a live feed from outside the house.” Stuff Oct 6 2021
        
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        December 15, 2025 10:44am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “The sentenced fitted the crime”
        
        Says Lord FF.
        
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        December 17, 2025 6:43pm
    - Simon
      
      Parliament is sovereign. So it’s the politicians.
      
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      December 15, 2025 11:23am
      - AitchW
        
        Wrong again. Parliament makes the rules, the judges apply them at sentencing time.
        I’m pretty sure that none of us wants to live in a country where an MP can ring a judge and tell him what sentence to impose.
        
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        December 15, 2025 1:51pm
Cassandra

There’s been comment about the “Trump Corollary” to the Monroe Doctrine. Did you know that the first corollary was Theodore Roosevelt’s?

Niall Ferguson has done an article on the latest National Security Strategy, published in The Free Press and The Times, both paywalled. I rate Ferguson.

The gist of his analysis is that this latest NSS is a predictable and sensible document. The US will no longer be the world’s policeman. Allies must contribute – no free loading (Helen Clark and every PM since Peter Fraser please note). Europe is on the skids (I’m paraphrasing but Ferguson notes that Noah is the most popular boy’s name in America, Mohammed in England). The US is 2% Moslem, UK 17%. Europe has an important role to play but has work to do. Taiwan is important and India, Japan and Australia must help (and others, NB NZ). And so on.

While acknowledging that Trump hasn’t read this 33 page document (and neither did any previous president except Carter) Ferguson recommends it to everyone else. I think we’ve all noticed that the world has changed. Trump isn’t the cause of that, he’s just the first to say it and, importantly, to do something about it.
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December 15, 2025 8:03am
- Mike
  
  Niall Ferguson is very much an outlier in strategic thinking.
  
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  December 15, 2025 8:16am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Is that good or bad?
    
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    December 15, 2025 8:41am
    - sirknz
      
      Yes.
      
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      December 15, 2025 8:53am
  - R
    
    Do you mean, that he is of the Socialist Marxist persuasion?
    
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    December 15, 2025 10:06am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    He’s an “outlier” only in rabid lefty echo chambers. Pffft.
    Rabid lefties are a minority.
    
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    December 15, 2025 10:48pm
- MCōs
  
  Small correction
  According to the 2021,22 census the UK is 5.97% Muslim
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_Kingdom
  
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  December 15, 2025 9:11am
  - Cassandra
    
    My error. It was a Ferguson forecast. If I remember correctly (I’m at the dentist) he was referring to just England. Greater London 15%.
    
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    December 15, 2025 9:24am
    - Greenheart
      
      [Mod – debate the topic without abuse]
      
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      December 15, 2025 10:08am
- I remember when
  
  I note that Google tells me that the UK is currently 6.5% Muslim, having increased by 1 million since 2011.
  The 17% is predicted to be a future outcome.
  
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  December 15, 2025 10:21am
NeverMindTheBollocks

When I read central government request for tender documents, among the statements requiring replies include commitments that modern slavery is disavowed, to uphold treaty principles, gender equality among staff, to pay the minimum wage + etc.

There’s no corresponding question or requirement about nepotism within the responding organisation. Given that public funds are involved, I think there should be.
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December 15, 2025 8:12am
- Yvette
  
  NeverMindTheBollocks, it appears ‘nepotism’ is viewed under ‘tikanga’ in different terms of family cohesion, union and mana.
  
  The prime question then is: Are public funds allocated to Maori entities being used to the utmost efficacy in what their stewardship and purpose is allocated for – transparent, legal, accountable efficiency?
  
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  December 15, 2025 8:57am
- imalwaysright
  
  Never,
  Those preconditions sound very Ardernist.
  I wonder if they are a way to give preference to pro Left businesses and consultants.
  
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  December 15, 2025 9:06am
  - R
    
    YES ! Ardern all the way, embedded now, and will be difficult to remove
    
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    December 15, 2025 10:12am
- peterwn
  
  An acquaintance is concerned that he cannot tender for government work. They compiled a list of preferred bidders several years ago and have not reviewed the list since. Requests to be added to the list are not even being considered.
  
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  December 15, 2025 9:31am
  - artemisia
    
    Suggest a spot of sunlight followed by an approach to the responsible Minister. Sunlight, such as an OIA request for info like – process for creating and reviewing ‘the list’; criteria if any for inclusion, addition or deletion; number of each of those since inception; current enterprises on the list. You get the idea ….
    
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    December 15, 2025 10:04am
Simon

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People should read that Treasury report into NZ system basically finished by 2065. NZ cant carry the weight of the National party. Thats acknowledged now.

Except NZ will probably collapse under the weight of the National party well before 2065. The trend will hurt bigly until its over.

Expect Labour will have to bail NZ out again. But they might not be able too this time.
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December 15, 2025 8:21am
- Yabster
  
  what’s the colour of the sky in your world Simon? “Liemore will have to bail NZ out again- lol that’s the funniest thing I have read in a long time…
  
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  December 15, 2025 8:44am
  - pdm
    
    Yabster you could have added:
    
    Dream on!!!!
    
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    December 15, 2025 9:16am
  - Simon
    
    Sorry just read the report. Who are responsible?
    
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    December 15, 2025 11:24am
  - Simon
    
    Lange government after National ran NZ into the ground after the war.
    
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    December 15, 2025 11:25am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I think the egalitarian dream country that was NZ up to say the 70s didn’t adapt to global market changes quickly enough. Plus the rich were eager to change everything for themselves so they could live like rich Australians or Americans. Hence the great NZ housing “investor” lolly scramble which severely f****d housing affordability for everyone else. That and lunatic councils.
      
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      December 15, 2025 10:53pm
- rouppe
  
  Giving more and more money to more and more people taken from fewer and fewer productive people is not “bailing out”.
  
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  December 15, 2025 9:08am
- RoboRob
  
  Lol, I think you have the party names reversed. Certainly National is struggling to right the ship after Labours last screwing of the economy. JA and Chris did us in pretty good last time, even worse then when Cullen purposely put us in the red becuase he knew he was about to be ousted.
  
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  December 15, 2025 9:20am
  - Foxfour
    
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    Labour didnt screw the economy. The empoyment level was high the economic growth wa sthere
    
    All turned south after National came into office and for ideology reasons wanted austerity by gutting expenditure . This led to a recession so the deficit widened and unemployment grew tax income reduced.
    Too stupid for words.
    if they knew the economy was weak in december 2023 then stimulus was required
    Its The Ruthanasia play book from 1990 with the same result.
    Major election loss of seats will follow, except the Nats didnt have the large majority of 1990 to fall back on when the 1993 election when they went from 18 seat majority to 1 seat majority.
    
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    December 15, 2025 9:54am
    - Yabster
      
      too stupid for words- yet your post has a lot of false words.
      
      Labour screwed NZ by throwing untargeted money at everything – covid was a great opportunity To Robbo (the worst finance minister in history) to go on a spending spree he never reigned in.
      
      The guy was an idiot- Finance Minister Grant Robertson admitted in Parliament today that he made an $8.46 billion mistake, underwriting the Reserve Bank’s inflationary Large Scale Asset Purchase program, but he has no regrets.
      
      The inflation NZ experienced was mainly non-tradeable- ie NZ generated.
      
      Austerity lol you sound like the MSM- National are spending more the Grant! Theres no Austerity the Public servant cull was minor- ad didn’t go far enough.
      
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      December 15, 2025 10:22am
      - Foxfour
        
        Every country threw money at Covid .
        
        Remember Trumps 2 trillion dollar covid splurge in 2020
        “Trump signs historic $2 trillion stimulus after Congress passes it Friday”
        
        Inflation grew in every country for various reasons connected to covid and the disruption.
        Anyway the NZ government cant manipulate prices -up or down- as they control economic activity ( except in a few areas like cook Str ferries, railways, power generators but they dont set prices for those)
        
        Tell us How the Labour government set prices at Woolworths or PaknSave as the present government would love to know with inflation raising again 3% now after reachon a low 2.2% in dec 2024
        
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        December 15, 2025 10:59am
    - RoboRob
      
      Labour screwed the economy. The growth, high employment and housing price rises were all off the back of massive government borrowing. There were major expenses built into the system that were unfunded under Labour, even greater massive borrowing was required. When national came in they had the choice of massive borrowing or moving to operating in budget.
      
      There is NO austerity, National are still borrowing more then Labour was, just not as much as Labour would have had to.
      
      So yeah, we could have continued pretending to have a great time while we beggered the next generation with debt. We are now seeing it with councils, where for decades they just borrowed and spent. Now they are at there debt limits and need to take other options, the primary one is massive rates increases.
      
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      December 15, 2025 11:12am
- Positan
  
  Simon, Labour have proved countless times that they lack the capability of diligence when it comes to applying intelligence to practical matters. Quite determinably, that sorry state would extend to the metaphor of “boats” and “bailing” – especially when applied to finance and economics, because Labour’s self-first, and largely ignorant identities simply don’t possess the inherent ability to consider, even remotely, that there’s a gaping hole in the hull.
  
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  December 15, 2025 9:26am
  - Foxfour
    
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    I can say to you …. Luxon blather … etc
    The Minister of Finance has a BA and trained as a journalist, worked as a beehive spin doctor so is just a talking head.
    Labours practical solutions:
    Kiwisaver
    Cullen Fund – now $90 bill
    RMA reform, repealed and then mostly copied by National except for small parts
    
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    December 15, 2025 9:57am
    - R
      
      90 billion displaced from productive application in NZ’s economic development
      
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      December 15, 2025 10:22am
      - Foxfour
        
        Covid ‘extra costs’ and recovery were 1/3 of that.
        The facts dont agree with your claims
        
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        December 15, 2025 11:03am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘were 1/3 of that’
        Wrong again. It was $70 b
        ”In total, $70.4 billion was allocated to COVID-19 response and recovery initiatives, including the initial response package of $12.1 billion and $58.4 billion allocated from the CRRF before its closure in Budget 2022.’
        https://www.treasury.govt.nz/information-and-services/nz-economy/covid-19-economic-response/overview-covid-19-response-and-recovery-fund-crrf/covid-19-response-and-recovery-funding-allocation
        
        Its astonishing that pretty much everything you say is wrong yet you continue posting here.
        Its so funny.
        
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        December 15, 2025 12:20pm
      - Yabster
        
        Red, I don’t think it’s wrong – I think it on purpose.
        
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        December 15, 2025 12:52pm
      - Foxfour
        
        Treasury is wrong
        As its details show
        Social development $26 bill, would have been mostly spent anyway
        
        Housing and Urban development was $4.7 bill
        So they built houses !
        
        National and Act wanted even more spent on subsidies for commercial landlords
        Only $45 bill was Covid specific spending
        
        Plus the period covered was to 25/26 ie this year
        
        The Small Business Cashflow Scheme is a good example of where the fiscal impact was adjusted based on the forecasted repayments. Taxable benefits also have appropriation amounts different to the fiscal impact because a portion of the benefit is expected to be returned to the Crown as tax.
        
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        December 15, 2025 2:09pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Treasury is wrong says the Citation Free Troll
        Lol
        Besides you said ‘‘were 1/3 of that’
        And were wrong
        Genuine question- are you retarded in some way?
        
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        December 15, 2025 3:02pm
- Crafty
  
  I can’t tell if you’re being serious or just taking the piss!!
  
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  December 15, 2025 9:42am
- Warren Murray
  
  This is a very strange contribution. Treasury wasn’t being political, it was flagging that our demographic profile poses challenges for meeting health and welfare costs.
  
  I don’t understand why you put this on the National Party given its policy involves adjusting eligibility for National Superannuation.
  
  Furthermore, our host has said each of the last three Labour Governments left structural deficits for incoming National administrations to resolve. We know Willis hasn’t done that, so that would be the only valid aspect of what is otherwise a steaming pile of misinformation.
  
  Labour has recidivist tendencies to ruin the Government’s and the country’s finances. So, while Willis hasn’t addressed the mess she inherited, we cannot afford another Labour Government.
  
  In short, your post has all the characteristics of trolling.
  
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  December 15, 2025 9:54am
  - Foxfour
    
    Thats not correct Ive gone through the details and showed where such as new housing ie assets ( $4.7 bill)
    and Small Business cashflow ($3 bill) would be returned as taxes.
    
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    December 15, 2025 2:11pm
- R
  
  Simon, you obviously haven’t noticed yet; that NZ effectively collapsed during the Hipkins era, following the irresponsible Ardrrn/Robertson years.
  
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  December 15, 2025 10:16am
  - Foxfour
    
    What collapse- that only happened when National took power and turned to austerity
    remember inflation adjusted numbers
    2018 3.5% [Ardern]
    2019 3.1%
    2020 – 3.1%
    2021 5.7%
    2022 2.9%
    2023 1.8% [Hipkins]
    
    14% increase roughly over 6 years with some very trying times
    2024 -0.6% [Luxon]
    2025 -1.1%
    Whos grew the economy and whos collapsed it …LOL
    
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    December 15, 2025 11:13am
    - Foxfour
      
      Those % are GDP growth adjusted for inflation
      
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      December 15, 2025 11:46am
      - All_on_Red
        
        You’re ignoring – either deliberately or from ignorance, the effect of Govt spending
        In 2021 it reached 42% of GDP.
        As for this ongoing claim of austerity you continue to talk nonsense.
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2025/12/146924.html#google_vignette
        
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        December 15, 2025 12:16pm
      - Foxfour
        
        Dear All- In- Red.
        
        Current 2024 government spending is 41% of GDP
        
        [Mod – just debate the topics and drop these comments]
        The current Minister of Finance uses a smokescreen by saying 'core' crown spending is much lower
        
        Core is for apples
        
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        December 15, 2025 2:17pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      Economics really isn’t that hard. The more you produce, the cheaper those goods become, because there are more goods chasing fewer dollars.
      The opposite is also true.
      The more currency you create, the more expensive things become, as there are more dollars chasing fewer goods. That’s it, no magic tricks required and it’s why inflation is so corrosive to the economy.
      You can pay people to break windows and fix them, as Labour was doing, but eventually you will run out of glass.
      
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      December 15, 2025 1:00pm
      - Foxfour
        
        I dont agree with that ‘basic’ summary.
        
        Unless you create more money then economic growth will be strangled
        For Australias case – when the Liberals were in power ( same applies to britain with Conservatives in power
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-25/did-the-reserve-banks-money-printing-cause-inflation/101471028
        
        The RBA’s act of money printing clearly increased the supply of money in Australia.
        But the RBA says it didn’t have a significant impact on the overall supply of money.
        
        Essentially the money in circulation fell- its well known in Covid the bank deposits increased considerably- so the bond buying by Australia and NZ reserves banks just put ‘more money in circulation’ to make up for the other money ‘taken out of circulation’ by individuals and companies
        
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        December 15, 2025 4:41pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        People will always find a currency to trade in any shortages can be attributed to a third party interfering so it can clip the ticket on transactions.
        The down side is getting paid quite literally in Disney dollars.
        
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        December 15, 2025 4:52pm
- I remember when
  
  Parties don’t bail New Zealand out, the economy does.
  Understanding how the economy works, and/or being lucky, is what is what makes parties successful.
  
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  December 15, 2025 10:27am
- Yabster
  
  lol AI can only do so much for you FF.
  
  Lets start with the huge increase in the minimum wage during the 6-year shambles of a so-called Government – up around 38% vs cpi of 21%- Robo and the promo queen couldn’t figure out that’s inflationary, and the supermarkets passed on that cost.
  
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  December 15, 2025 11:23am
  - Foxfour
    
    That was a catch up from before 2018 when the minimum waged paid the price for fiscal austerity under Key and English
    2010 $12.75
    2017 $15.75
    Thats a 10% or more drop in purchasing power over that time ( using RBNZ inflation counter
    https://www.rbnz.govt.nz/monetary-policy/about-monetary-policy/inflation-calculator
    
    Currently this government is cutting wages for the lowest paid as its less than inflation.
    
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    December 15, 2025 4:54pm
- AitchW
  
  When did Labour ever bail us out? They are the party of wreckers and vandals.
  
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  December 15, 2025 1:53pm
  - Foxfour
    
    The voters dont agree with you . They are the ones that matter
    
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    December 15, 2025 4:55pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Simon: “Expect Labour will have to bail NZ out again.”
  
  Wait what? When has Labour (in the modern era) ever bailed out NZ?
  
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  December 15, 2025 11:20pm
Yvette

Allegations of bullying, union-busting, and the story legacy media won’t touch
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/ani-o-brien-what-s-the-story-willie-jackson-and-muma

This account argues that a serious workplace controversy at the Manukau Urban Māori Authority (MUMA) has been ignored by mainstream media, despite involving allegations of bullying, cronyism, and union-busting. Staff at the Māori organisation reportedly described a “culture of fear,” with the chief executive, Tania Rangiheuea, accused of intimidating and punishing employees who raised concerns. Internal documents and formal complaints allegedly support these claims.

The article centres on Labour MP Willie Jackson, a long-time union figure and former MUMA leader, asserting he intervened to protect his wife, the CEO, and block accountability. It claims Jackson pressured the board chair to resign and installed allies instead. When workers sought help from veteran unionist Matt McCarten, Jackson — acting as chair of the marae that owns MUMA’s premises — allegedly trespassed the union representative, impeding legal rights to organise and negotiate for staff.

Ani O’Brien highlights the paradox of Jackson’s actions, given his pro-worker reputation, and criticises the silence of legacy media and Labour leadership. The piece frames this as both a workplace scandal and a failure of political and media scrutiny.

To add to this issue, above, is the fact that main stream media will not touch it.

In September, Matt McCarten, former Chief of Staff for the Labour Party, wrote to the party’s current leader to express grave concerns. He has never received a response from Chris Hipkins.

Matt McCarten then also wrote to Speaker Gerry Brownlee from One Union. here –
Serious Allegations Against Hon Willie Jackson MP
Request Referral to Privileges Committee
https://goodoil.news/content/files/2025/12/Ltr-Speaker—Willie-Jackson-Allegation-17-11-25.pdf.
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Chris Hipkins promises different Labour: ‘Opportunity to stamp my own mark’
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/581766/chris-hipkins-promises-different-labour-opportunity-to-stamp-my-own-mark

Part of making his own mark is to stamp out TPM –
Te Pāti Māori’s ongoing scandals and internal turmoil have led Hipkins to declare it is a “shambles” and not ready for government, and he wants Labour to win all seven Māori electorates to ensure Te Pāti Māori is not part of the conversation post-election.

There are reports and commentary suggesting Willie Jackson is involved in election preparations and campaign strategy within Labour — particularly around Māori electorates.

Yep! – he’ll stamp out TMP and kick the 7 Maori seats into shape – he appears to have form in that?
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December 15, 2025 8:33am
- pdm
  
  Labour winning all 7 Maori Seats next year will make the after election `wash up’ interesting Yvette.
  
  If Labour poll under 30% for the Party Vote which is possible if the economy lifts they are going to get bugger all MP’s in off the list.
  
  Especially if you add in that they might regain a couple of Auckland seats they lost in 2023.
  
  `Brylcream’ Michael Woods could then edge McAnulty out to replace Hipkins as leader and that is a scary thought.
  
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  December 15, 2025 9:21am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    I read something last night from someone apparently connected that McNulty wont/can’t be taking over as leader.
    
    As in not like Arderns I’m not interested and parachuted in ahead of an election but a full not going to happen, even though mamy in the party want it.
    
    I would say he either doesn’t have the support of the unions or has a skeleton in the closet
    
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    December 15, 2025 9:52am
    - Graeme Hall
      
      The skeleton in the closet may be that McNulty used his wife’s legacy to finance his first political campaign then divorced her and married another. Is he the type of character we want as our leader?
      
      Reported in the media then but hard to get a link now. I think Labour had it scrubbed from Google.
      
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      December 15, 2025 11:03am
      - Foxfour
        
        All to0 funny . Its side splitting funny but in a sad way
        McAnulty was elected to parliament as a labour list Mp in 2017
        
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        December 15, 2025 4:58pm
  - Foxfour
    
    You have made a major mistake .
    Its National who will have ‘bugger all list Mps’
    
    2023 Nat had 5 list Mps on 38% while labour had 17 on 27%
    
    Its national who are never getting back to 38%
    Even Willis may miss out as shes a list Mp and no safe seat around . Hubris
    
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    December 15, 2025 10:03am
  - MCōs
    
    Labour won less than 30% at the last election and lost a number of electorate seats. They have 17 list seats. If they pick up the remaining six Maori seats and a couple of Auckland seats they’ll still have nine list seats. Maybe ten or eleven if their party vote improves, which it will at the expense of TPM.
    Some present list MPs would likely win Maori seats.
    The Nats are the ones who are likely to have few list MPs
    
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    December 15, 2025 10:17am
Crafty

Terrible what happened in Bondi but unfortunately not surprising. When you have people being hyped up unchecked then naturally there’s a chance violence will follow. The Greens in this country should think very carefully about their own behaviour
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December 15, 2025 8:34am
- grumpy
  
  The Hero has been identified by media as a Muslim but that has now been corrected. He is Lebanese Maronite Christian.
  
  https://gellerreport.com/2025/12/australia-jihad-massacre-police-stood-down-did-not-return-fire-heroic-shopkeeper-tackled-and-disarmed-terrorist.html/
  
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  December 15, 2025 8:55am
  - Nikola Donatello
    
    That website you cite has a history of lies and conspiracy theories.
    
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    December 15, 2025 9:25am
    - grumpy
      
      What part is a lie?
      That website always proves to be accurate, a couple of days after the MSM has established the false narrative.
      Guessing the hero’s religion by his name is par for the course.
      
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      December 15, 2025 9:31am
      - Nikola Donatello
        
        Come on. I did a Perplexity deep research analysis. This was the summary.
        
        “The Geller Report is characterized by Geller’s tendency to characterize incidents involving Muslims as part of a broader “jihad,” sometimes making false claims about accidents or criminal incidents involving Muslim individuals�. Given its track record of misinformation, the website is recognized by researchers and fact-checkers as an unreliable source of information.”
        
        https://www.perplexity.ai/
        
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        December 15, 2025 11:22am
    - grumpy
      
      Well then, you won’t like this either. Things the MSM will never tell you.
      https://gellerreport.com/2025/12/savages-islamic-groups-celebrate-mass-slaughter-of-jews-at-chanukah-festival-in-sydney-australia.html/
      
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      December 15, 2025 9:35am
    - grumpy
      
      Or this…… let’s put your assertions to the test. Wait a week for MSM to catch up. If this is fake you win a servo pie and a Bunnings snag.
      https://gellerreport.com/2025/12/2-dead-eyewitnesses-say-university-brown-gunman-yelled-allahu-akbar-police-and-media-refuse-to-deny-or-confirm.html/?fbclid=IwY2xjawOr_xhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEe2-Gzg2ZP1SI8OPFfBAoguX_mFTpMAq8Pwj_mc6Zwws3SmQQML18dMfoo6Fk_aem_I08wip6s7CeYi2zIApa-TQ
      
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      December 15, 2025 9:38am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        A servo pie AND a Bunnings snag?
        
        Waddya trying to do, give Nikola a coronary?
        
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        December 15, 2025 11:10am
      - Nikola Donatello
        
        Good grief. I had never heard of this website. When you cited it, I simply checked its credibility from dozens of sources. I get the following. Of course I am going to dismiss it.
        
        “The Geller Report is widely classified as an unreliable source by independent fact-checkers, media monitors, and hate-watch organizations. It is characterized by extreme ideological bias and a consistent track record of publishing factually incorrect information.For a policy professional or researcher, it should not be treated as a credible source of information.”
        
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        December 15, 2025 11:27am
      - grumpy
        
        You checked on that? Garbage in, garbage out. I repeat, which of their articles has been proven false?
        
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        December 15, 2025 11:32am
      - Nikola Donatello
        
        Calm down. I don’t care about the website. To repeat, you are citing a source that is on every list of crack pot websites.
        
        I am simply going to ignore it. Why go there? It is no different to going to a crack pot website for stories about the dangers of COVID vaccines. Such sources cause problems because the gullible believe them. The COVID vaccine conspiracies were the best example. But there are dozens. Now you will see “Bondi shooting” conspiracies.
        
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        December 15, 2025 12:06pm
      - Ghost
        
        You do realise grumpy that Dr. Jamal Rifi has confirmed that Ahmad is Muslim?
        
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        December 15, 2025 1:22pm
      - peterwn
        
        And remember to blow on the servo pie – Safer Communities Together.
        
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        December 15, 2025 2:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        Might be time you stop pushing fake news websites. They couldn’t even get the shop he owns right, it is a tobacco shop, not a fruit shop
        
        https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/fruit-shop-mistakenly-identified-as-being-owned-by-bondi-hero-speaks-out/news-story/0d01152e95ac587b3f1bd4fb6a989963
        
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        December 15, 2025 4:42pm
    - Ghost
      
      Yeah, the fruit shop that is being claimed by some that he owns has put out a statement
      
      https://www.facebook.com/sutherlandbestfresh/posts/pfbid0pcqnJzK6pDg9RFziupF5f4szBFrmxBtnWfvjNE8dz43QaKRDdgm1SLoicUWdijqil
      
      Hello everyone,
      So sad to see this tragedy happen this afternoon in Bondi. There has been a miscommunication in the media on where this great Australian hero’s fruit shop location is. We do not know who Ahmed is, nor the location of his fruit shop. We congratulate this hero and wish him a speedy recovery.
      Praying for those who have been affected 🙏🏻
      Regards,
      Sutherland Best Fresh
      
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      December 15, 2025 10:00am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Perplexity is Google?
      
      Google by all indications appears to be captured by woke idiocy.
      
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      December 15, 2025 10:58pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Amid the chaos it is unlikely that the Bondi hero would have known who the gunmen were targeting.
    
    That would mean that his religion is of secondary importance to his humanitarian bravery.
    
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    December 15, 2025 9:39am
    - Foxfour
      
      Excatly right . Unbelievable personal courage
      
      We DO know he was an Australian
      
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      December 15, 2025 10:05am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Agree. Very courageous. Apparently he’s already been donated 100K+ on gofundme or the like. Was listening to the very putrid far left Aus ABC on the radio (out of curiosity). They mentioned he was a police officer (or possibly govt security officer, I think) in Syria. Being the putrid far left ABC they omitted his religion. They usually do this when a person doing good is Christian. Note: I am not a Christian.
        
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        December 15, 2025 11:02pm
  - Foxfour
    
    Grump thats a complete falsehood you are peddling
    
    Ahmed el Ahmed , a Muslim, arrived in Sydney more than a decade ago from Syria. The 43-year-old tobacco shop owner is the father of two daughters aged five and six.
    
    So a Muslim from Syria.
    Not a christian from lebanon , but Syria has christians too
    Ahmed, the name is a clue , as it means ‘one who constantly thanks god’, and is one of the names of the prophet.
    
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    December 15, 2025 5:04pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “thats a complete falsehood ”
      
      So sure of yourself. Why?
      
      A bit of circumspection would show maturity.
      
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      December 15, 2025 11:04pm
      - Foxfour
        
        Because its true. hes being photographed in a hospital bed. His family/friends have given his background.
        Research the first name, Ahmed, like I did
        
        This is KB, no place for circumspection.
        
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        December 16, 2025 7:46am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  It will be interesting to see if the Greens here issue a statement condemning the attack.
  
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  December 15, 2025 9:27am
  - Anthony Melchett
    
    They won’t, because they support it.
    
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    December 15, 2025 9:36am
  - Im Right
    
    Yes, of course they will Nikola, maori party also!
    It will be a soft soap comment/press release from both parties, with a ‘but’…that ‘but’ will basically insinuate Israel brought it upon themselves, and by association, all jews.
    Will start off something like:
    ‘ No one in the green (maori party) party can nor will condone this senseless violence and killing upon the Australian Jewish community, but…..’
    
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    December 15, 2025 9:39am
    - Foxfour
      
      Thats political ventriloquism.
      Telling other parties what to say and criticising them before they have even said it.
      
      Jewish Australians have no involvement in the Gaza war and arent responsible for Israel’s genocide unless they support it
      
      Nor are the NZ greens or maori party responsible for two Australian gunmen’s heinous act
      
      Australia also has its own Green party- maybe you should blame them
      
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      December 15, 2025 11:30am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Who really cares what they think.
    
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    December 15, 2025 9:44am
    - grumpy
      
      The MSM. TV1, RNZ, Stuff, NZ Herald, Newsroom…….
      
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      December 15, 2025 11:33am
  - grumpy
    
    Will Gerry now have the guts to ban the tea towel wearers?
    
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    December 15, 2025 9:44am
    - Ghost
      
      They hav been banned since the issues caused by the Outburst with Oriini
      
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      December 15, 2025 9:49am
      - Foxfour
        
        Dress codes dont cover scarves do they !
        
        I havent yet seen the actual new dress codes just that they will be ‘tighter’
        
        hes also on warpath about ‘leave’
        
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        December 15, 2025 11:34am
  - Raphael
    
    They will probably find a way to blame the victims and mourn the terrorist scum who got killed.
    
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    December 15, 2025 9:47am
    - Foxfour
      
      Probably ?
      
      Thats called making it all up.
      Its in Australia remember .
      There was a mass shooting in US every few days , does that mean NZ politicians should react
      of course not
      Your comments are just virtue signalling when YOU should condemn ALL heinous acts not just against ‘special’ people
      
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      December 15, 2025 11:37am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The lefty talking heads will crawl out from under their rocks to justify this evil in a few days.
      
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      December 15, 2025 11:07pm
  - Yvette
    
    Nikola Donatello – It will be interesting to see if the Greens here issue a statement condemning the attack.
    
    Bondi – New Zealand
    Sixteen people died and dozens were injured after two gunmen opened fire on Bondi Beach where a large group was gathered for a Hanukkah celebration called Chanukah by the Sea on Sunday evening.
    Prime Minister Christopher Luxon told Morning Report police are meeting Jewish community leaders now over security in New Zealand on Monday morning.
    ___________
    
    22 July 2025
    Speech at the signing of the Harmony Accord
    Hon Mark Mitchell, Ethnic Communities
    
    Tēnā koutou katoa. Shalom. As-salamu alaykum.
    I would like to acknowledge:
    Your Excellency, The Right Honourable Dame Cindy Kiro
    His Excellency Dr Richard Andrew
    Faith and community leaders – Ibrar Sheikh, President of the Islamic Associations of New Zealand, and Phillip Green from the New Zealand Jewish Community Security Group Charitable Trust
    Police Commissioner, Richard Chambers
    Dr Melissa Derby, Race Relations Commissioner
    Parliamentary colleagues
    And other distinguished guests [ … ]
    
    Our diversity should never divide us. Whether you are a Jewish Kiwi, a Muslim Kiwi, or a Christian Kiwi, we are, first and foremost, Kiwis. And as Kiwis, we stand together. We will not import hate. We will not allow conflict from abroad to create fear or division at home. We will protect each other through respect, through tolerance, and through peace.
    This Accord is a testament to what is possible when brave people choose unity over fear.
    Let it be more than a document – let it be a beginning. A beginning of deeper conversations, stronger relationships, and a more resilient, inclusive New Zealand.
    Let this moment remind us all that peace is not something we inherit, it is something we build, together.
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/speech-signing-harmony-accord
    
    These are some of the words. Now may be the time when they are tested to see if they mean anything?
    
    But how do the Greens equate this Harmony Accord with their persistent display of Palestinian garb in Parliament?
    I would also be keen to sometime know Chlöe’s thoughts on Hamas committing their people to be slaughtered in the Israel retaliation they knew would befall the region after their October 7 action.
    Why do the Greens display support for Palestinians when Hamas doesn’t, or hasn’t?
    
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    December 15, 2025 10:21am
- kowtow
  
  Not just the Greens , prominent Labour pollies and the Maori Party too.
  
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  December 15, 2025 9:33am
- mogg
  
  Are the Greens being rewarded by Iran and Qatar for their open displays of anti-Semitism?
  
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  December 15, 2025 11:19am
Rusty

Has the anti-Israel rhetoric of the media and the encouragement of authorities to allow the pro-Palestine protests to spout hatred of Israel/Jews played a part in the tragic events at Bondi, Sydney?

16 innocent Jewish Australians murdered and many more wounded by Jew hating extremists. Maybe these scum think many Australians support them — who knows?
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December 15, 2025 9:37am
- Foxfour
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  And the 51 muslims massacred in their mosques in Christchurch ?
  
  Sounds like your comments have hatred towards Palestinians who are subject to Israeli genocide in Gaza – a fact
  
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  December 15, 2025 10:10am
  - Rusty
    
    @ Foxfour
    You do know it was not a NZ citizen who committed that massacre in Christchurch?
    
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    December 15, 2025 10:58am
    - Foxfour
      
      He was a NZ resident at the time
      
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      December 15, 2025 11:48am
      - All_on_Red
        
        He isnt a NZ Resident.
        He is an Australian who happened to be living here at the time.
        If you thinking that sort of ‘resident’ makes him a ‘ NZ Resident ‘then you’re dumber than we all think
        
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        December 15, 2025 12:03pm
      - Foxfour
        
        Dumb, Really ?
        He lived in Dunedin for approximately one and a half years. he had a rented house in Dunedin.
        
        As he wasnt a tourist , he was a resident.
        
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        December 15, 2025 4:08pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “As he wasnt a tourist , he was a resident.”
        
        Did he have permanent residency?
        
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        December 15, 2025 11:08pm
  - Swifty
    
    Genocide my arse.
    
    The population of Gaza is roughly the same as in 2022 – down some through war deaths and people fleeing – from 2.2 million to 2.1 million.
    
    It has been a war not a genocide.
    
    You sit on a throne of lies.
    
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    December 15, 2025 12:26pm
    - Foxfour
      
      I can say to you that the facts support saying Israel is committing genocide in Gaza
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humanitarian_and_human_rights_groups_accusing_Israel_of_genocide_in_Gaza
      
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      December 15, 2025 5:07pm
Crafty

Ha, good old Verity Johnson. Complains because kiwis can’t take constructive criticism whilst putting out article after article of extremely ideological opinion criticising everyone who doesn’t follow her view!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/society/360913439/verity-johnson-why-cant-new-zealand-take-constructive-criticism
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December 15, 2025 9:39am
Terry Dalee

No doubt, we’ll now see Albanese don a kippah, visit some synagogues and sprout “they are us”…
A weak contemptible “leader” that has allowed Australia’s darkest day to materialise after condoning anti-Semitism by doing nothing after the Oct 23 “celebration” at the Sydney Opera House as well as weekly anti-Semite protests every weekend around Australian capital cities.
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December 15, 2025 9:43am
- Foxfour
  
  The Federal PM cant decide what does or doesnt happin in the varios States.
  
  Protests are part of the democratic process and they protest the Isreali war in Gaza.
  Arabs are semites too as its the language group name
  
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  December 15, 2025 10:47am
  - Graeme Hall
    
    “Federal” usually implies a national policy rather than a state policy. Control of the borders is a federal policy, and Albo, if he had a spine, & actually cared for Australians rather than winning seats would start deporting some of these dangerous animals & their associates before it gets completely out of control.
    
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    December 15, 2025 11:11am
    - Foxfour
      
      What makes you think the gunmen arent Australian citizens.
      I think you have just made it up.
      
      During WW1 german descent NZers had their homes and businesses attacked
      
      In WW2 and after Japanese were reviled because their cinduct in the war
      
      Same for Israels conduct in Palestinian territories
      
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      December 15, 2025 11:51am
      - Eastlander
        
        Have you considered not posting? You know, given that with every word you make it abundantly clear that the massacre means nothing to you and you’re only annoyed that other people are upset about it?
        
        Give it some thought.
        
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        December 15, 2025 1:01pm
      - Foxfour
        
        Mind reading , Really ?
        I can say to you its a horrible heinous act which I said before
        This is your only comment but no sympathy for the actual dead and wounded.
        Think hard about that
        
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        December 15, 2025 4:15pm
Albie

Just got off the phone with the NZTA chasing up a missing rego. Had to go through 3 departments to get to the right person. Each nice young lady answered the phone “Waka Kotahi………” Looks like Maorification is well and truly entrenched despite the protestations from Winston and Seymour.
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December 15, 2025 10:04am
- MCōs
  
  At least somebody answered
  That’s a plus
  I’ve rung plenty of places where the reception has answered in perfect English — after a 45min wait
  . . . . . . or not answered at all
  
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  December 15, 2025 10:27am
  - Quail
    
    MCos ,
    Sounds like you already know .
    One of the worst is getting guns registered by telephone .
    This is an absolute nightmare.
    3o min waits are high speed for them.
    They certainly are not a service oriented organisation .
    Cooperation is not their mantra, seems much more like bullying in my experience!
    
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    December 15, 2025 6:07pm
- mandk
  
  You should have asked each one: “Am I talking to the NZTA?”
  
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  December 15, 2025 10:30am
I remember when

Met Police chief urges retailers to ‘step up’ in fight against Britain’s shoplifting epidemic: GB News

“There were over 20 million incidents of shoplifting in the UK last year, according to the British Retail Consortium.”
“The figures suggest that 97% of the shoplifting cases go unreported to the police.”
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December 15, 2025 10:33am
- kowtow
  
  The UK Establishment ( or Blob) gave up on “crime fighting” a very long time ago.
  
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  December 15, 2025 11:10am
- Foxfour
  
  Why should the police be used as stock control agents.
  Store chains need more security
  Small shopkeepers know this and keep a close eye on the customers and certain types of goods
  
  I saw a person in the self checkout machines a month back who went through the process at the machines but just didnt ‘pay with card’ and walked out with bag of stuff
  One person to manage about 18 machines all busy.
  When I called the attendant as machine had to be manually reset , she just shrugged and coded it as “change of mind’!
  
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  December 15, 2025 11:24am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Because it’s a crime and security isn’t allowed to do anything about it?
    
    We could change the law maybe? Security are allowed to beat the crap out of shoplifters? Gain access to the accounts of the criminals and drain them? Go around to their house and take items of similar value?
    
    It’s much easier if the Police just do their job.
    
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    December 15, 2025 11:39am
    - Foxfour
      
      The police dont beat up shoplifters , but major stores should have more security and they can stop them- and do
      
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      December 15, 2025 11:53am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Shop security are paid peanuts in NZ. Absolutely not enough to risk life and limb for.
        
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        December 15, 2025 11:26pm
    - kowtow
      
      ‘It’s much easier if the Police just do their job’
      
      And MP’s , judges , prisons , parole boards , law societies , churches etc
      
      As one of our better posters here reminds us ;
      
      a fish rots from the head .
      
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      December 15, 2025 12:03pm
  - MCōs
    
    Those self checkout machines are obviously a labour saving device for the supermarkets or whoever.
    The downside of cutting down on staff numbers is obvious. It’s easier for the light fingered among us to pinch stuff.
    I suppose the shop owners just have to weigh up the odds.
    Btw
    We go to a number of Chinese supermarkets. None of them have self serve machines.
    We were in the Avondale Market once and someone ran off without paying; except he didn’t run fast enough and the not young Chinese vender caught him quick smart and extracted full payment.
    
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    December 15, 2025 12:24pm
    - rouppe
      
      At the Pak’n’Save self checkout in Porirua, the majority of the fresh fruit and vegetable items need to be staff checked.
      
      Which is a bit counter productive.
      
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      December 15, 2025 2:21pm
    - Foxfour
      
      Thanks for that.
      I have read some self checkouts overseas have a little exit gate which is activated by the bar code on the receipt.
      Thats how local Kmart does it – but at main exit where you show your receipt which is scanned ( so no reuse)
      
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      December 15, 2025 4:24pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        At the end of the day it’s going to come down to a show of force. A lot of shoplifters are violent thugs. Security are not paid enough and are not supported enough to physically tackle these thieves.
        
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        December 15, 2025 11:28pm
- mogg
  
  When I was in England a few years ago and waiting in a pub for an old friend to turn up, shoplifters were openly selling stolen goods from the local M&S. They were selling products stolen that same day for half the listed price, the barman said it was a daily event with no need for secrecy.
  
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  December 15, 2025 11:30am
  - Foxfour
    
    The Tories cut back the British Police numbers massively when they took office in 2010
    
    Same here in NZ when national took power in after 2009- after the labour government funded increase completed in 2011- hundreds of police jobs were left ‘vacant’ until 2017
    
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    December 15, 2025 11:57am
I remember when

Met Office issues rare 36-hour amber alert as more than 2 months worth of rain to fall: GB News.”The Met Office has issued a rare 36-hour amber weather alert for the north west of England, with fast flooding posing a ‘danger to life.’
200mm of rain expected to fall in some parts of western Cumbria , amounting to double the expected precipitation for the entire month in 36 hours.”

An ‘amber’ alert, for 200mm of rainfall, fast flooding posing a ‘danger to life.’
A bit understated by our standards?
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December 15, 2025 11:06am
herb1

The Bondi massacre once again raises questions around religion. The religion behind this massacre has an instruction manual which some of its followers strictly adhere to , which are regularly enacted around the world. When Hitler wrote his instruction manual , the resultant devastation is well known. His instruction manual was banned but the Islamic one is allowed to continue unabated and supported by the Western media and Political elite. Why
And for those who say but Christians also do bad things. Apart from the currency and quantity there is a major difference. Christians do bad things INSPITE of their religion. Muslims do bad things BECAUSE of their religion
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December 15, 2025 11:08am
- Foxfour
  
  Islam says its a religion of peace
  
  This is a list of Isreal government politicains who were leaders of or involved in jewish terrorist gangs before 1948
  David ben Gurion was a Gerry Adams type figure , both head of the political jewish Agency and the Haganah-Palmach militia
  A Haganah bomb sank the SS Patria in 1940, killing 267 people, in an attempt to prevent the deportation of 1,800 Jews.
  
  Those young jewish terrorists with more radical groups later became senior israeli politicians
  Menachim Begin, Shmuel Tamir, Haim Corfu, Yitzhak Shamir, Yitzak Rabin
  3 of them were PMs
  
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  December 15, 2025 5:15pm
  - greybeard
    
    What would you do without Google & AI ?
    
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    December 15, 2025 8:17pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “terrorist gangs before 1948”
    
    So no such thing for approx the last 80 years. Got it. Thanks.
    
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    December 15, 2025 11:11pm
Flossie

Tova to co-host TV One breakfast broadcast. Count me out.
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December 15, 2025 11:30am
- sirknz
  
  I was out some years ago, around about the time I stopped plugging an aerial into my TV…
  
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  December 15, 2025 11:34am
  - graham
    
    I’ve never watched breakfast TV. Usually working at that time, and never been able to see the point. I’ve generally regarded breakfast TV as lightweight fluff, and the succession of hosts over the years hasn’t changed my opinion.
    
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    December 15, 2025 11:50am
  - Flossie
    
    I should have phrased that differently. I have not watched for years so what I really meant was “I’m still out”.
    
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    December 15, 2025 11:58am
- Jack5
  
  TVNZ’s still in Ardern mode.
  
  Remember Ardern at news conferences steering the questions: “Jessica, then Tova.”
  
  That was it.
  
  “Jessica” — Jessica Mutch McKay– became “head of government relations and corporate responsibility” at the NZ arm of the ANZ bank.
  
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  December 15, 2025 11:40am
  - graham
    
    “Jessica, then Tova.”
    
    It became quite a talking point, and ended up being called out multiple times in various forums, including the media. Ardern actually tried to defend it at one point, claiming it was “a courtesy” because they were usually doing it live for TV.
    
    Yeah right.
    
    It’s an infamous piece of history that, unfortunately for Jacinda, Jessica, and Tova, is not destined to be easily swept under the carpet any time soon, with even the Herald leading with the headline “Jenny-May, then Tova – TVNZ announces new Breakfast host”.
    
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    December 15, 2025 12:42pm
    - Foxfour
      
      TV news have theor deadlines just after the PMS news conference.
      Still do. Thats how TV media work- they have to fit the advertising in a live TV news
      
      Radio and newspapers were later for obvious reasons
      
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      December 15, 2025 5:19pm
- RoboRob
  
  Lol, I thought Jenny-May was bad, super biased and clearly an airhead. I thought maybe TVNZ was planning on restoring balance or at least removing bias but no, Tova the Labour loving friend of JA returns.
  
  Lucky TVNZ has concluded that their coverage isn;t biased.
  
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  December 15, 2025 2:00pm
  - Paulus
    
    Maiki will hve to watch her back carefully,
    – but at least she is Maori, with a continual vengeance.
    
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    December 15, 2025 3:27pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  How fortuitous, Tova the political attack journalist replaces Jennie May the not so bright auto cue reader for election year, pity any coalition partner appearing on that show.
  
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  December 15, 2025 2:13pm
  - RoboRob
    
    To be fair, Jenny May always openly despised Luxon and Seymour. It was written all over her face and she would often roll her eyes. The only difference now is Tova is a much smarter operator who will hide her bias better.
    
    The real surpise for me is that Tova isn’t leading Labour into this election, as I have often projected. I guess Luxons lack of performance and Hipkins corresponding ‘good’ performance in the polls has stopped hipkins replacement.
    
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    December 15, 2025 3:15pm
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      Tova is doing her best for Labour in the Breakfast seat.
      
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      December 15, 2025 4:19pm
      - Albie
        
        Such a shame that a company like Sky News Australia is not represented here to give us an alternative option to the currently biased lefty narrative. I would imagine it would be extremely expensive to set up a nationwide news organisation hence we are stuck with what we’ve got.
        
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        December 15, 2025 6:02pm
      - Foxfour
        
        Tova is besties with Nicola and writes puff pieces about her
        “Labour finance MPs risk looking more crack-pot than crack-team”
        
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        December 15, 2025 7:55pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Chunder. A flag bearer for the destruction of sane and credible journalism. Yay.
  
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  December 15, 2025 11:12pm
sirknz

bit of a diatribe from Timothy Welch in the Herald about raising speed limits being bad for economic reasons when you add up all the time lost to car accidents.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/higher-speeds-lower-productivity-what-the-data-shows-crash-delays-really-cost-auckland/TIDBCQ6RBJFBLOAWGTI65ZGSUA/

I disagree on his premise that it is the ‘high speed’ car accidents that are the real problem here, and posit that it is the police investigations into these crashes which close roads for much longer than is necessary which are the problem here. There have been many instances where I have been trapped in traffic jams on my way out of town because some special cherub has managed to pull on to the wrong side of the road (in a reduced speed area no less) and the police have closed the road for 6 hours while they take their pictures for evidence.
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December 15, 2025 11:33am
- Gary Benner
  
  There are sophisticated drones that can be launched and in automated mode take aerial photos from all angles in under 5 minutes. Time to get with I’d say.
  
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  December 15, 2025 5:25pm
  - greybeard
    
    Exactly. If all police vehicles had a drone then the time taken to gather all relevant incident information could be reduced to mere minutes. And then normal traffic & life could continue.
    
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    December 15, 2025 8:07pm
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      Drones are already used.
      
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      December 15, 2025 8:15pm
surfing

Who is right? Nz herald (says aus require 6months left on passport) or Australian govt (say passport needs to be valid for duration of travel)? I’d say crappy herald reporting.

https://newzealand.embassy.gov.au/wltn/passportvalidity.html

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/more-than-13million-kiwis-passports-due-to-expire-by-2027-as-minister-urges-early-renewal/TFOZTRI4ABG6VFXTFAJXI2LUFM/
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December 15, 2025 12:14pm
- Flossie
  
  As far as I can figure out, Australia is okay with a “valid for the length of your stay” passport, but some airlines will not board you if it isn’t valid for at least six months after your travel is completed.
  Happy to be corrected.
  
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  December 15, 2025 1:43pm
  - Foxfour
    
    Thanks for that . Kiwis can of course renew their passport while in Australia
    
    One of my passports was renewed in Melbourne no trouble
    
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    December 15, 2025 5:24pm
Jack5

Lawyers who follow Kiwiblog might enlighten us on the significance of Maori Land Court judge Aidan Warren trespassing the person who’s run a campground on the Whanganui River for more than 11 years.

Adrian Pucher, chairman of the Maori board that manages the relevant land, is quoted as saying the decision held Maori law at the same level as New Zealand law.

The judge noted that “the harm to the mana of the owners, and the spiritual impact on the land, of having somebody operating a business on their land without their consent is significant and ongoing”.

This case doesn’t appear connected to the Whanganui River being given “personhood” in 2017, when Chris Finlayson was Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations and Attorney General. Since then, that concept has been applied to a forest and to a Taranaki mountain.

An international movement’s seeking “rights of Nature.”

It began before the “personhood” of the Whanganui River. The start was a 1972 American article by Professor Christopher Stone: “Should Trees Have Standing? Toward Legal Rights for Natural Objects”. You can read about it in the third link below.

Camping-ground order:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360912166/no-right-be-there-judge-orders-long-running-campground-maori-land

And:

https://news.mongabay.com/2024/07/as-maori-heal-through-nature-is-legal-personhood-a-tool-or-a-distraction/

And, the beginning of the movement for legal personhood for Nature objects:

https://southerncalifornialawreview.com/2023/04/07/standing-for-rivers-mountains-and-trees-in-the-anthropocene/
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December 15, 2025 12:50pm
- Foxfour
  
  Companies have always had ‘personhood’ , as legal entities.
  And others
  “The Legislation Act 2019 specifies that “person includes a corporation sole, a body corporate, and an unincorporated body”.
  
  in NZ Law “the Crown” is a Corporation Sole even though its not a person
  
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  December 15, 2025 4:21pm
  - Jack5
    
    Fox4: Perhaps an unlimited-liability company would be a suitable legal entity for a tribe that “owned” a river or a mountain, or an island, Fox4.
    
    Would you want every tribal member to be liable for damage from floods, volcanic eruptions and the like?
    
    Modern limited-liability companies in the Anglosphere ultimately stem from enterprises like the East India Company.
    
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    December 15, 2025 5:37pm
    - Foxfour
      
      Floods are like natural events that cant be blamed on legal entity.
      The crown, the previous owner, was never liable either . Maybe they were negligent in construction of a stop bank, not if they didnt do that at all.
      
      Remember ‘White Island’ actually was privately owned – but owners werent found liable for an eruption
      
      Its quite constrained as this legal opinion said
      ‘While the River can hold “all the rights, duties and liabilities of a legal person”, the rights that the River actually holds are circumscribed not only by the nature of the River, but also by the existing rights and interests of others, and by various other statutory regimes that decide what those rights and interests are to be.”
      https://www.boell.de/en/2025/01/29/river-legal-person-case-whanganui-river-new-zealand
      
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      December 16, 2025 8:05am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360914214/reports-shooting-bondi-beach
So one of the killers was known to have had connections to Isis six years ago, and he was living at home with his father who had 6 licensed firearms, and still the Australian authorities did nothing.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360914374/alleged-bondi-terror-gunman-naveed-akram-told-family-he-was-going-fishing-trip
And as usual, the mother says “he was such a good boy”.
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December 15, 2025 1:41pm
- AitchW
  
  A “loveable rogue”?
  
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  December 15, 2025 2:10pm
  - Paulus
    
    Is he not a dead rogue ?
    
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    December 15, 2025 3:29pm
Swifty

🎼Baby come back…🎶

https://x.com/tiare_mp/status/2000114595890118991?s=46

😂
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December 15, 2025 2:57pm
Swifty

Aussie Islamic scholar making his beliefs known:

https://x.com/chalavyishmael/status/2000262219532300557?s=46
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December 15, 2025 3:29pm
- Yabster
  
  hope old Ra is watching….
  
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  December 16, 2025 7:58am
- NZer In Exile
  
  From that link: Australian Islamic scholar Abu Ousayd: “The Jews are rats, cowards, and mischievous. They control the media, the banks, and Hollywood.”
  
  Did a single Australian politician act when they heard that?
  
  No.
  
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  December 17, 2025 6:27pm
Swifty

Footage from Saturday night’s Kiwiblog Supporters Club – Avondale Branch Christmas function:

https://x.com/jebrafaushay/status/2000377223300390973?s=46

A great night had by all.

😃
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December 15, 2025 5:25pm
- Ghost
  
  Whose bell were you putting the dollar notes in?
  
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  December 15, 2025 5:37pm
Jack5

TradeMe, now half-owner of Stuff Digital, took a $138.2 million hit in the value of its TradeMe Marketplace in its latest June 30 year. The annual report says the writedown related to short-term future growth prospects.

TradeMe’s owner, Titan Parent Mew Zealand Ltd, in a cash flow statement, reported a pre-tax operating loss of $96.9 million, compared with a $16.3 million profit the previous year.

Intangible assets at June 30 were $2.479 billion, down from $2.639 billion a year earlier.

A copy of the report can be reached at the link below. It’s for the year ended June 30, and the company bought a half-stake in Stuff Digital on July 1.

The owner — Titan Parent New Zealand Ltd — is owned by
Titan Aggregator LP in the Cayman Islands. The ultimate controlling entity of the Company is Apax IX GP Co Ltd, in the tax haven of Guernsey.

The report:
https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/service/services/documents/C528185BCD27B21E187B102699977FE8
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December 15, 2025 8:43pm
- Foxfour
  
  Its a typical offshore owned method of moving profits to a no/low tax entity.
  As Trademe is software driven business its all legal and typical
  
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  December 16, 2025 8:07am
Maggy Wassilieff

Philip Crump on our over-bloated state

(a long read)

https://cranmer.substack.com/p/the-architecture-of-a-capable-state?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=3zqs4y&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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