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NeverMindTheBollocks

The Ministry of Education is trying to force the pupils of Gloriavale into the public school system. It’s very clear that they have no respect for parental choice, and have an agenda to destroy Gloriavale because it runs counter to their feminist, socialist beliefs.

For example, the Ministry wants the Gloriavale children to go to schools where the internet and mobile devices (from other pupils) will be prevalent. Studies are showing that permitting devices in schools lowers educational outcomes.

Not cognitive dissonance, but part of the plan.
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December 21, 2025 8:10am
- artemisia
  
  Interesting to see what happens when all the Gloriavale children enrol at the nearest school for which they are in zone. There is not a lot of time for the school to prepare. Is there a plan?
  
  In any case school is a few hours a day and not much more than half the days in the year. I expect Gloriavale will use the rest of the time to met their objectives.
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:02am
  - Jack5
    
    In fairness, the State should also be monitoring the many Islamic schools throughout the country for some of the faults at Gloriavale.
    
    One of the criticisms of the Gloriavale outfit’s school was its treatment of, and attitude to, females.
    
    How are the growing number of Islamic schools handling this?
    
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    December 21, 2025 10:42am
    - MCōs
      
      There’s apparently three Muslim schools in NZ plus many others with religious affiliations.
      https://figure.nz/chart/D0hfFu4il7jowmw2-tj0FdaZ8XFXKcHwQ
      I went to a series of Catholic schools in my youth and some of the visiting priests had a soft spot for the Irish rebels of the early twentieth century.
      Thankfully none of use turned into wild eyed terrorists.
      
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      December 21, 2025 5:50pm
  - Ian
    
    There’s an article on Stuff by an ex-Gloriavale woman the premise of which is that half of the residents are teenagers and that the leaders are finding it harder to control them, teenagers being naturally rebellious. Such teenagers going to school outside of the community will only exasperate this with learning about the wider world and Gloriavale will eventually fall away as community.
    
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    December 21, 2025 1:16pm
- kowtow
  
  There are so many seriously failed , violent etc schools in the country .
  Funny how the Ministry has picked on this one , for particular treatment,which is also a favourite bete noir of te media .
  No blow back is a coward’s , unprincipled solution to a problem.
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:19am
  - Ian Boag
    
    By all means you should point the DoE at relevant schools, Back it up with some solid information about student achievement and all that, then keep us KB folk posted on how it is all going. Good work !
    
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    December 21, 2025 11:07am
    - kowtow
      
      Thank you .
      
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      December 21, 2025 12:38pm
    - CJames
      
      If you want failing schools pointed out, go after all the ones where those primary school teachers who couldn’t even get Level 1 NCEA Maths came from.
      
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      December 21, 2025 1:51pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        I didn’t “want” any schools in particular other than Gloriavale where the school has apparently failed several ERA audits.
        
        Looking at other schools seems like a great idea. It’s in ERA’s job description. So can you identify some of these schools – possibly point out the problem to ERA and let us know how it goes?
        
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        December 21, 2025 2:02pm
      - CJames
        
        Ian
        There are many schools failing but your faith in the bureaucrats at ERO is touchingly naive. They are almost as bad as the Ministry of Education. The organisation got bigger as the abilities of the students being taught dropped. Cause and effect?It isn’t me saying that ERO don’t add much value. It is the principals.
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/582248/principals-say-ero-not-giving-schools-credit-for-challenges
        Even the survey didn’t rate them as high as it shouldhttps://www.nzcer.org.nz/sites/default/files/downloads/NZCER%20Nat-Survey-Report%208.%20Principals-perspectives.pdf
        The problems with failing kura getting good reviews is another problem not being addressed. Hamilton Tai Wananga failedmultiple ERO reviews https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126374378/pressure-mounts-on-troubled-hamilton-kura-after-latest-damning-report but is still going. Why is that? Sort of makes Gloriavale look relatively good.
        The other really good indicator is places that are growing, but certain school rolls are dropping. Why do you think that is happening? The schools I know about get good ERO reviews
        
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        December 21, 2025 3:28pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Looks like the Schools are doing okay, but the Kura not so well.
        
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        December 21, 2025 3:51pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Sort of makes Gloriavale look relatively good
        
        I don’t understand.
        
        The charter school referenced does not look flash and could well come in for some ERO sanction.
        
        The same is true of the Gloriavale school – are you suggesting that any action about the Gvale school should be postponed until ERO has looked at every other possible failing school?
        
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        December 21, 2025 7:18pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Anybody who knows teachers who are not woke airheads will have heard how messed up things are.
      Mind you what one also notices is that the (woke) ideological capture is so strong in NZ schools that teachers are fearful of saying too much.
      
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      December 21, 2025 4:03pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Boag shouldn’t the DOE itself know which schools are in the toilet?
      
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      December 21, 2025 4:42pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        How would I know …. ? Do you ?
        
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        December 21, 2025 7:19pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Listening to Brian Henry on the subject, he made the point that the school is educationally deficient. Girls pretty get taught cooking and sewing with little or no access to “hard” subjects. Selected boys who might be up for a trade get something a bit more solid. He quoted the example of a (leaver) girl who had NCEA level 2 from the school and was put back into pre-NCEA when she started at an outside school.
  
  Something to do with being substandard generally. And if you feel this is unfair because there are other schools with substandard teaching and achievement by all means look at them too.
  
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  December 21, 2025 11:12am
  - Paulus
    
    Brian Henry has been the leading opponent, who gets all the publicity for the closure of Gloriavale.
    
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    December 21, 2025 2:23pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      He was the lawyer for the girls who had the employment case (which they won). When I heard him on the radio he seemed to make sense ….
      
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      December 21, 2025 7:11pm
- pb
  
  5 teachers a year are prosecuted in NZ for disgusting crimes with kids. Less than 5% of victims report. Huge power imbalance.
  
  Go hard, fair enough, BUT on all state carers whom fail the human test. There is form, royal commission:
  
  https://www.abuseincare.org.nz/
  
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  December 21, 2025 12:58pm
  - Mike
    
    So schools run by cults should naturally attract extra attention.
    
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    December 21, 2025 5:39pm
Cassandra

The release of some of the Epstein File shows pretty much what one would expect. The usual subjects include Bill “Hot Tub” Clinton (quelle surprise), the Andrew formerly known as Prince, Bill Gates, Woody Allen and so on.

Plus Noam Chomsky. That darling of the left turns out to be quite keen on luxury private jets. Possibly other aspects of the high life as well. Who’d have thought?
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December 21, 2025 8:11am
- AitchW
  
  Prominent lefties love the trappings of wealth!
  
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  December 21, 2025 8:27am
  - R
    
    trappings of wealth,…….but only for themselves!. The ‘plebs’ can slum it.
    
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    December 21, 2025 10:26am
  - MCōs
    
    Not just prominent lefties
    
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    December 21, 2025 10:26am
  - Jack5
    
    Chomsky’s close to 100 years old.
    
    An AI query tells me his net worth is — about — just over $US2 million (about $NZ3.47m).
    
    If it’s his own “private jet” he’s using it’s an old turboprop. A second-hand private jet starts around $US2.5 million (about $NZ4.3m).
    
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    December 21, 2025 10:51am
    - Cassandra
      
      It was Epstein’s plane.
      
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      December 21, 2025 4:27pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Well-off grifting lefties are jealous of non-lefties being a lot more wealthy than they are.
    
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    December 21, 2025 4:45pm
- Mike
  
  Yes, Chomsky’s definitely a lightning rod for people of certain political persuasions. Is he being criticized for jet travel, or something less trivial?
  
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  December 21, 2025 8:27am
  - Cassandra
    
    Association with Epstein is one problem and the other is hypocrisy. The photograph sums it up. Reclining in the big leather seat next to a notoriously depraved sex offender is not a good look.
    
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    December 21, 2025 10:13am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Why Mike have you slandered any person previously photographed with Epstein as peadophile-adjacent, yet with this Chomsky guy you would feign ignorance that the issue of association is to do with air travel?
    
    Do you like this Chomsky guy? Is he part of your team?
    
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    December 21, 2025 10:47am
    - Mike
      
      I don’t think all of Epstein’s associates are sex pests. Trump, Clinton, and Mountbatten-Windsor definitely are. Perhaps you could direct me to a complete list of those associates with evidence of sexual deviancy
      
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      December 21, 2025 1:01pm
      - Paulus
        
        As this effective top of the range Brothel Owner and his girlfriend have been at this for many years in many countries where are all the hundreds, if not thousands, of poor girls and those who paid them for their lifestyle ?
        Are they all at the workhouse now as a result of their way of life ?
        
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        December 21, 2025 2:28pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Chompers is probably a lightning rod because he’s been promoted by lefties as an oracle of infinite wisdom for several decades.
    
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    December 21, 2025 4:46pm
  - Kevin
    
    You have a point. I respect him for sticking to his guns despite pushback, even if not all he says can I agree with.
    
    The Gloriavale thing, the Epstein thing, and the later thread part about Muslims can be stirred into one pot if you look up Wikipedia on Hawaiian social structure pre contact.
    We live in a society that has characteristics of that- vicious social control. The main opponents to Gloriavale want basically the same thing as Gloriavale but on bigger scale controlled by them.
    The Epstein thing is an intra elite battle for who is top within the US and therefore dominant elite.
    
    And then there is the uncomfortable fact that Muslim society to my uneducated eyes does not seem to have these overpaid losers on top, notwithstanding father and son assassin acts.
    Ignore the show- where is the strength where is the weakness
    
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    December 22, 2025 8:11am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  All of the evidence in the files should be thoroughly investigated, as should witness testimony, and anybody who is found to have committed crimes should be charged, tried and, if proven guilty, sentenced.
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:19am
  - Paulus
    
    Thousands involved surely over many years.
    Lawyers paradise (asuming they are not involved somewhere).
    
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    December 21, 2025 2:29pm
- MCōs
  
  Disparaging people for being ‘quite keen’ on luxury private jets and other aspects of the high life has a hint of jealousy normally associated with hard core communism
  You’re not a hard core communist at heart?
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:22am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    You are right that jealousy, envy and bitterness form a big part of the communist psyche.
    
    However, the disparagement here is directed at the hypocrisy of a planet saving priest being caught in the rampant burning of fossil fuels.
    
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    December 21, 2025 10:50am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      While on his way to a place associated by his media chums with all sorts of depravity.
      
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      December 21, 2025 10:56am
    - Jack5
      
      Chomsky may be, or have been, a Leftist activist, but he’s also been a prominent academic, and outstanding in his field of linguistics, and also in philosophy.
      
      The main theory he’s known for, universal grammar, is one of the big bones that intellectuals gnaw on.
      
      Epstein attracted the horny of all fields.
      
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      December 21, 2025 11:05am
    - Ian Boag
      
      the hypocrisy of a planet saving priest being caught in the rampant burning of fossil fuels.
      
      OTOH can we assume you have no problems with any of this rampant burning stuff …. ?
      
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      December 21, 2025 11:16am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        While I believe we need to look after the environment I don’t have an issue with using fossil fuels, for the following reasons:
        
        1. The earth is a closed system. The fossil matter buried and now extracted as oil and gas was once living matter on the surface of the planet. So the planet was previously able to sustain this life. Once released it is actually helping create an enhanced environment for life.
        2. Available energy equates to productivity and prosperity. Unleashing this fossil energy has given us a more prosperous existence.
        3. The planet has been greening since the mass use of fossil fuels and nuclear energy. We are not as dependent on timber for our energy needs and so we are saving the trees.
        
        I’m not denying that we have unpredictable weather but a prosperous energy rich country is a better place to face the unknown future than a poor impoverished country.
        
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        December 21, 2025 12:46pm
      - Albie
        
        Ian, perhaps you would rather live in the pre European times of Maori enlightenment here and experience life without fossil fuels?
        
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        December 21, 2025 2:09pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Boag what is the ideal level of atmospheric Co2 for plants?
        
        What happens if atmospheric levels of Co2 get too low for plants to survive?
        
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        December 21, 2025 4:49pm
    - Taieri
      
      jealousy, envy and bitterness form a big part of the communist psyche.
      ———–
      
      Let’s rephrase it a bit:
      
      Jealousy, envy and bitterness form a big part of the human psyche.
      
      Non-communists are just as guilty…
      
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      December 21, 2025 2:32pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “has a hint of jealousy ”
    
    Only in your mind MCōs. Maybe rather than being “jealous” they simply note the stinking fakeness of lefties who posture as caring guardians of the environment and the downtrodden?
    
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    December 21, 2025 4:10pm
- kowtow
  
  Mick Jagger
  Richard Branson
  Diana Ross
  Chris Tucker
  Steve Bannon
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:35am
- pb
  
  Too many rich billionaire active donors. Too many politicians paid to ignore. The Epstein affair repercussions have only just begun.
  
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  December 21, 2025 1:00pm
  - Paulus
    
    Will keep the media and the US Lawyers in business for many years continuously – anything to get rid of Trump.
    
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    December 21, 2025 2:31pm
- Homas
  
  There is precedent for referring to former princes as “Symbol”. Personally I’m all for it.
  
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  December 21, 2025 2:01pm
- Ra Henare
  
  and why are we even interested in an event from 20 years ago that had zero impact on our lives in the South Pacific.
  
  Are we so short of salacious gossip of our own that we have to latch on to some imported tripe?
  
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  December 21, 2025 4:30pm
Chuck Bird

I note on the Facebook page 67 are down for attending. I wonder it the Jew haters will mount a counter protest. I hope a lot more than 67 show up.

March Against Antisemitism – 21 December 3pm, Aotea Square, Auckland.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2025/12/march_against_antisemitism_-_21_december_3pm_aotea_square_auckland.html#comments
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December 21, 2025 8:14am
- Mike
  
  Well done, Chuck. You’ll be up for a march against all forms of racism next.
  
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  December 21, 2025 8:28am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I am!
    
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    December 21, 2025 9:53am
- Michael Sommerville
  
  I’ll be there.
  
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  December 21, 2025 8:46am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Say hello to me at the start.
    
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    December 21, 2025 9:54am
- Jack5
  
  Chuck, people from the Destiny Church have been standing up for NZ Jewish people.
  
  Now a group linked to the Destiny Church has faced off against an Auckland Sikh procession!
  
  The religious discord widens.
  
  https://www.indianweekender.co.nz/news/nagar-kirtan-interrupted-by-destiny-church-haka-full-details-inside
  
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  December 21, 2025 11:10am
- MCōs
  
  I note that Destiny Church intend to be there.
  In view of there demonstration against the Sheiks in South Auckland yesterday, which side of the ledger will they be supporting?
  
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  December 21, 2025 12:30pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  The issue is more Islam than antisemitism.
  
  Nigerian Muslims have been slaughtering Christians en masse for a decade or more now, but very little noise about it.
  
  But for whatever reason we have to pretend that the real issue is antisemitism, and it lurks everywhere – i.e. we’re all potentially as guilty as the next guy. We mustn’t state the obvious, namely that the problem is Islam, and that a coordinated campaign of mass deportations, bulldozing of mosques, closure of Islamic schools, burning of korans, banning of hijabs/burkas, cancellation of Islamic uniform options for police officers, and educational campaigns highlighting how Mohammed was a warlord, rapist, child molester and general tyrannical nutjob would solve the problem in no time.
  
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  December 21, 2025 4:39pm
  - Mike
    
    You missed out:
    “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.” – Ann Coulter
    
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    December 21, 2025 5:46pm
Yvette

Teach add and multiply but forget subtraction and especially division.
In an article “RMA Reform: A step forward. But concerns for equal citizenship”, Don Brash concludes …
While there are good things about these new Bills – and the current RMA most certainly needs to be replaced – we do want to loudly and clearly sound the alarm that what is being proposed will leave New Zealand divided by ancestry. Every New Zealander has an interest in development and the environment. The continuation of a system that gives extra, or special rights, to one group based on their ethnicity and not others is discriminatory. We should not be dividing New Zealanders as, sadly, these new Bills provide. [1]

And – Claims Māori will own NZ’s water infrastructure dismissed
“It’s absolute nonsense. We have always said, that we’re not interested in owning the water assets. What we’re interested in is the proprietor rights over water, and that is a discussion to be had with the Crown, not with councils.” – Tukoroirangi Morgan [2]

It is clear then that at some point Tukoroirangi Morgan hopes the Crown will enable him to turn water into money (missing out the step of turning water first into wine and then into money)

So, where or when does Don Brash, or anyone else, see allowing Maori ancestry privileges to give them actual monetary gain? ( – this is supposed to be a simple neutral question)
Some would like to see the Maori end game as they see it, so the actual cost of checkmate can be seen out in the open.

Following the advice of Sun Tzu, can the “enemy” be seen once out in open daylight?
“The Way, the weather, the terrain, the leadership, and discipline”
It would be nice for once to see the factor Sun Tzu does not mention here: the “adversary’s” end goal.

In her “great national conversations” it was that goal which Ardern never disclosed, so nobody (sometimes including herself) ever knew exactly what was being discussed. CGT dismissed without Ardern ever saying what exactly was her Gornment’s position.

So, show us the goal – what Morgan, Mahuta, Tamahere and Jackson actually want.

And as Cassandra pointed out yesterday, In its latest 638 page report the Waitangi Tribunal does indicate some of it.
Where does the Tribunal finding that some iwi didn’t cede sovereignty leave the nation – does it divide New Zealand into non-Maori and Maori, and of the latter, those who did and those who didn’t?
Some of us want to see the entire thing – as the actress said to the bishop (no, neither of those ones)
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[1] https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/don-brash-rma-reform-a-step-forward-but-concerns-for-equal-citizenship
[2] https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/03/09/claims-maori-will-own-nzs-water-infrastructure-dismissed/
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December 21, 2025 8:15am
- Dougal10
  
  If you are 90% kiwi , 5% treaty signing tribe and 5% non treaty signing tribe are you automatically declared wholy the latter .
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:19am
  - pb
    
    The major battle in American republican party is between the Zion First Republicans (Ben Shapiro) and those whom would recognise Founding American Rights (Tucker). How dare they organise. Not there yet in NZ. Yet.
    
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    December 21, 2025 1:04pm
- rouppe
  
  So, where or when does Don Brash, or anyone else, see allowing Maori ancestry privileges to give them actual monetary gain?
  
  Well we see it with the multi billion dollar iwi owned businesses, clustered in a trust endowed with charitable status.
  
  Their charity is only for those with familial ties to the iwi. They operate much more akin to family trusts than charities.
  
  They pay no, or a significantly preferential rate of tax compared to other business or trust activities.
  
  That’s where I see Maori ancestry privileges giving them actual monetary gain.
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:37am
- JackRabbit
  
  …We have always said, that we’re not interested in owning the water assets. What we’re interested in is the proprietor rights over water…
  
  We don’t want to own the assets of houses, land, or water, nor do we want the responsibilities and costs of upkeep and maintenance.
  
  No, we are the Maori Mafia and just want to dip our bucket into the river of money to support out fiefdom.
  
  …is a discussion to be had with the Crown, not with councils.
  
  Even though the councils are in charge of the water, councils are controlled by rate payers and landowners, and less able to be conned. Dealing with each council is too much work. We want to be rich without having to do any work.
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:46am
Damocles11

In 2023 Government spending was 40.3% of our GDP. In 2025 Government spending is 42.1% of our GDP.
Why is acceptable that the most senior government ministers tell bald-faced lies that they have reined in spending, when it is so demonstrably and provably untrue? You’d have to have a hide as thick as an elephant to stand there and claim to have cut spending when you know that what you are saying is a monstrous falsehood. Yet they are doing it, daily.
This is the price we all must seemingly now collectively pay to appease the banks and to prop up bloated asset prices that could not be justified during a proper recession. It is fundamentally wrong. Billions upon billions of borrowed dollars papering over the cracks while ministers smile and say with a straight face that they have cut spending.
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December 21, 2025 8:15am
- imalwaysright
  
  That a Government appropriates 40c in every dollar produced is scandalous.
  
  They take money from efficient producers and give it to very efficient spendthrifts.
  
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  December 21, 2025 9:57am
- Simon
  
  That GDP number is fake as well.
  
  Farming is around $21 billion to the economy / GDP. Whereas the criminal justice system is $7 billion to the economy / GDP.
  
  In NZ criminal justice system is 1/3 the size of farming in importance to the economy. Its a neolib success story.
  
  But dont worry apparently there are major unresolved drug problems. Criminal justice gunning for 50% of farming for importance to the economy.
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:07am
- Swifty
  
  But not as ridiculous and downright deceitful as those many on the left who are screaming that the Coalition are currently practicing austerity.
  
  I’ve seen it so many times on social media I’ve lost count.
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:18am
  - Damocles11
    
    Whether the lies about cutting spending are as deceitful as those on the Left saying that the current government are practicing austerity is a matter of semantics. I would say that both sets of lies are monstrous and indefensible. We all need to get better at simply calling a spade a spade and not reverting to the same tired whataboutism all the time.
    
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    December 21, 2025 11:33am
- surfing
  
  This is true, but, do you think it will improve under labour ?
  
  Luxon is a huge disappointment … didn’t reduce spending, didn’t address racist policies other than some chin wagging at the start.
  
  But, when the party you align with is rubbish… what do you do? Keep voting for the same muppets?
  
  This is what occurred in the UK , there is a large block of center voters who have no-one to vote for! Conservatives are corrupt and mad, the left are incompetent and mad.
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:18am
  - Damocles11
    
    Right now it feels like government by the Aussie banks vs government by the Unions, with both sides committed to wokeness & Maorification. Moreover, in many respects we have lost our fiscal sovereignty, meekly accepting the same out of control spending that now is the default setting in many other countries. The folly of Central Banks artificially inflating asset prices to pursue the ludicrous ‘wealth effect’ is starkly revealed: it is no longer acceptable to have a recession and undergo ‘creative destruction’, instead everything must be papered over with enormous government spending and borrowing.
    
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    December 21, 2025 11:52am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Question: how much of the spending in each year is on interest?
  
  Supplementary Questions: what is the total debt, and what is the vig, for the two years in question?
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:58am
- pb
  
  The American revolution kicked off when England tried to charge 3 pence for a 25 pence pound of tea. About 12%. They crashed the entire system and kicked the English out of America.
  
  Current taxes are the boiled frog analogy. We are boiled, Govt is stoking the furnace.
  
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  December 21, 2025 1:10pm
  - kowtow
    
    Multiple causes .
    
    One major was the peace deal whereby the American colonists couldn’t cross the Ohio river .
    The colonists also greatly resented the trade implications of the various Navigation Acts .
    
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    December 21, 2025 2:21pm
  - Paulus
    
    Called the Boston Tea Party when cases of Tea was thrown overboard by the rebels from the ships carrying it.
    
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    December 21, 2025 2:35pm
  - Mike
    
    The tax imposed actually reduced the price of tea. This change outraged the Boston merchants who plotted the tea party and managed to convince their fellow citizens that the issue was one of liberty.
    
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    December 21, 2025 4:10pm
Chuck Bird

This is premium.

It does not mean all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorist attacks are committed by Muslims.

Australia’s search for a path forward as it struggles to understand impact of Bondi attack

“It also doesn’t mean that all people from a certain background are terrorists — 99.99999% of all Muslims are good people.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/australias-search-for-a-path-forward-as-it-struggles-to-understand-impact-of-bondi-attack/premium/FDE5DNNUAJAZFIX66QYZFV2JPQ/
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December 21, 2025 8:40am
- septic skeptic
  
  Too many 9s.Says only one Muslim in ten million is a bad dude. That would be much better than any other race.
  
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  December 21, 2025 9:06am
  - Swifty
    
    Best estimates put the proportion of (hard-core) Islamists in any Muslim population at between 10% and 15%.
    
    That’s between 100 and 150 million out of a billion.
    
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    December 21, 2025 10:20am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Some numbers might be helpful.
    2.056 Billion Muslims estimated Dec 2025 (25% of world population).
    
    In 2017 best estimates were about 100,000 actively involved in terrorist activities. Lets make that a guess of 120,000 in Dec 2025
    
    or 1 in 1750.
    
    If one was to extrapolate those number to Muslims in Australia it would indicate 49 Terrorists
    In New Zealand 4 terrorists.
    
    So, before your emotions take over.
    Correlation is not Causation.
    
    Just like the all men are rapists is a ridiculous statement. (based on recorded crimes of rape)
    So is the assumption there are Muslim terrorists everywhere.
    
    Oh and while you are at it consider that the Bondi hero was from a Muslim Family!!!!!
    
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    December 21, 2025 4:54pm
- Scott
  
  Chuck, I just think we can’t go on anymore closing our eyes to the problem.
  Because of Islamic terrorism we have the following in western countries :
  – everyone has to go through airport security after 911
  – barriers to protect Christmas markets
  – Pakistani rape gangs
  – bombings in Sweden
  – soaring crime rates
  – prisoners converting to Islam because the prisons are run by islamists
  – thousands of terrorist attacks over the last few decades.
  
  In addition “Islam” doesn’t mean “peace”. It means “submission”. In other words there will be peace but only when everyone submits to Allah as revealed by the “prophet” Muhammad.
  This is what every “good” Muslim thinks.
  
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  December 21, 2025 9:07am
  - Flossie
    
    I think I recall having to go through airport security prior to 9/11? Might be wrong.
    
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    December 21, 2025 10:32am
    - Phronesis
      
      Airport security exists almost entirely to make it look like there is a real threat that the government is saving us all from. There are many ways to take down a random airliner. Most of them don’t involve passengers or their carryons.
      
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      December 21, 2025 12:04pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Passenger processing delays at Airports due to increased security measures intensified massively after 9/11 and other attempts.
      
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      December 21, 2025 5:08pm
- kowtow
  
  And what of world “leaders” such as the Australian , British , Canadian etc pms and their state agents across the west in broadcasting for example ,all who appear eager to reward terrorism by “recognising” Palestine and/or being part in one way or another of the far left BDS type movement .
  
  Mass third world immigration ( which they have themselves championed) has led them to abandon any principles they may have had ( yeah I know they’re politicians) in the selfish pursuit of the votes of a certain urban demographic.
  
  ‘Terror” , like all those comfortable white middle class keffiyeh wearers comes in many guises.
  
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  December 21, 2025 9:08am
  - Wandering Star
    
    While his and my politics differ substantially, gay liberal Jewish journalist Glenn Greenwald is someone who gives solid commentary on many issues of the day.
    
    Here’s Greenwald on the Jewish lobby’s demands for censorship (i.e. restricting criticism of Israel, on the basis of “hate”) post-Bondi.
    
    “Australia and the UK Obey Israel’s Censorship Orders”
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKBz6bKbuzQ
    
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    December 21, 2025 11:41am
- Cassandra
  
  99.999% of Muslims being good people strikes me as a gross exaggeration. Look at it another way – an awful lot of Muslims believe that killing Jews is a good idea. No other group of people I know thinks like this. No other religion has so many adherents who support the genocide of another religion and the destruction of another country. Possibly some Hindu nutters in India but the Muslim phobia is much more wi.
  
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  December 21, 2025 9:10am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I agree.
    The best place to have the march against antisemitism is outside the largest mosque in Auckland, not the city centre.
    
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    December 21, 2025 9:22am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I disagree. There should be no demonstrations at any place of worship.
      
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      December 21, 2025 9:58am
      - imalwaysright
        
        A demonstration is quite a mild response to 16 innocent people being murdered I would have thought.
        
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        December 21, 2025 12:21pm
  - Cassandra
    
    wi was supposed to be “widespread “.
    
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    December 21, 2025 9:31am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    You just had to look at the evil hate preacher and those who supported the day after the atrosities in Israel.
    
    ‘Hate preaching can’t hide from the law’: Australian Jewish leaders hail Wissam Haddad racial discrimination verdict
    
    https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/hate-preaching-cant-hide-from-the-law-australian-jewish-leaders-hail-wissam-haddad-racial-discrimination-verdict/news-story/6fa4bd2fc1b5a1274482ac762c5a7a90
    
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    December 21, 2025 9:34am
  - kowtow
    
    Sikhs brought down Air India 182. Canadian based at that .
    
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    December 21, 2025 10:23am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  “It also doesn’t mean that all people from a certain background are terrorists — 99.99999% of all Muslims are good people.”
  
  What is stupid statement.
  
  Let’s apply that statement to the ‘”adult male Muslim population”.
  
  World Muslim population: about 1.9–2.0 billion
  
  Roughly half are male → about 0.95–1.0 billion males. Roughly two‑thirds are adults (18+) → about 630–670 million male Muslim adults. Now apply 0.00001%.
  
  The answer is 65.
  
  Right at the start the author should be ridiculed.
  
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  December 21, 2025 9:50am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The author probably just has a poor grasp of mathematics.
    
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    December 21, 2025 11:00am
  - Christopher Thomson
    
    The females are just as keen on the matrydom too.
    
    Chechen ones has form for it.
    
    So your needs bringing down a bit.
    
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    December 21, 2025 3:49pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    You seem to have twisted the original 99.99999%
    
    Surely the correct calculation should be 0.00001% can be bad. ergo 20,560 out of a Muslim population of 2.56 Billion.
    
    The original statement introduced by Chuck can be mathematically correct or incorrect.
    
    But of course, reasonable rational thinkers would understand that the original commenter was making a point that not all Muslims are terrorists (just as all terrorists are not Muslims)
    
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    December 21, 2025 5:05pm
- mogg
  
  In a similar vein polls show that 46% of under 25yrs Muslims in UK support Hamas, and 18% of the same group believe that Hamas is justified in using violence to achieve its goals.
  
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  December 21, 2025 12:05pm
- pb
  
  But we get Kebabs and curries. Lets not dig into the inbreeding.
  
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  December 21, 2025 1:11pm
  - Christopher Thomson
    
    We’ve got the recipe.
    
    We don’t need them anymore.
    
    Round here the best kebab is done by a Sikh business.
    
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    December 21, 2025 3:51pm
Yvette

Election 2026
Some of what Labour has in store for the nation if it wins was foreshadowed — perhaps indiscreetly — by senior MP Peeni Henare during the campaign for September’s Tāmaki Makaurau by-election. He promised the next Labour government would provide $1 billion in funding for Māori initiatives and that it would revive the Māori Health Authority as well as the compulsory “Aotearoa New Zealand Histories” programme in schools — implemented by none other than the Minister of Education in Jacinda Ardern’s government, Chris Hipkins himself. [1]

That, above, and I guess Willie Jackson will dust off the report on He Puapua

What would be interesting to know before the 2026 Election, is can the Maori Caucus push Hipkins around as much as they could Ardern. Hipkins’ turn prior to the last Election saw Willie run out of time for the step which would have involved the “supposed Public reaction” to first selected Maori hui consultations, and the issue was shelved until after they won, but they didn’t.
Now they wait.
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[1] https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-maori-nationalism-takes-a-hammering-in-2025
“… next Labour government would provide $1 billion in funding for Māori initiatives” is $200 per every adult and child New Zealander
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December 21, 2025 9:21am
- AitchW
  
  The “Maori Caucus” will walk all over Hipkins. Add the Maori Party to the mix and Labour will become very, very unattractive to most voters.
  
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  December 21, 2025 9:45am
- pdm
  
  Of course the Maori Caucus can push Hipkins around.
  
  It seems to me (from afar) that Willie Jackson in particular has some sort of hold over Hipkins. Otherwise Hipkins would have spoken up about Jackson’s actions at MUMA – it is public knowledge that Hipkins has at least two letters from McCarten.
  
  BTW where is Speaker Brownlee – on this because McCarten says he has written at least one letter to him and isn’t it his job to investigate such complaints about Members of Parliament?
  
  Or is Willie Jackson exempt from such scrutiny?
  
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  December 21, 2025 9:56am
  - Yvette
    
    The Maori Caucus need only to threaten to cede and could well hold the balance of power.
    Then the question would be: would Hipkins jump their waka out of Parliament? Post 2026 Election stuff.
    
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    December 21, 2025 10:00am
  - AitchW
    
    Hipkins can’t contradict or overrule the Maori activists in his party for fear of being labelled racist or, even worse, a colonial oppressor.
    Those 2 labels are the worst thing to happen to a lefty.
    
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    December 21, 2025 1:16pm
- Burtland
  
  its surprising He PuaPua still hasnt been published – considering everything else gets leaked, what is going on here.
  
  Have National bought into it?
  
  the “most open, most transparent” government in NZ history – the monster Ardern
  
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  December 21, 2025 11:04am
  - Yvette
    
    • He Puapua –
    https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/He-Puapua.pdf
    
    • Key themes from Māori targeted engagement, April 2022
    https://www.tpk.govt.nz/docs/tpk-undrip-keythemesmāoritargetedengagement-april2022v2.pdf
    
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    December 21, 2025 4:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Bluudy religions, eh?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/rest-of-world/this-is-new-zealand-not-india-christian-group-performing-haka-confronts-sikh-parade-in-auckland-video/articleshow/126094759.cms
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December 21, 2025 9:32am
- Positan
  
  I think your thrust should have been at INTOLERANT religions.
  
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  December 21, 2025 9:37am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Including:
    
    The Global warming Green religion
    
    Communism
    
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    December 21, 2025 11:01am
- Handyman
  
  OK I’ll ask the obvious question.
  Who thought, when they heard of the shooting and murder of a Jewish beach party, that it was the Sikhs?
  
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  December 21, 2025 9:44am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  I don’t feel in any way threatened by a Sikh parade in New Zealand.
  
  I would feel threatened by a Muslim parade with the men chanting Allahu Akbar.
  
  I would not be too happy about a Destiny Church parade doing the Haka either.
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:07am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    “ I would not be too happy about a Destiny Church parade doing the haka”
    
    There have been many many destiny church parades – almost entirely peaceful and law abiding. Certainly no terrorism, unless you consider the painting of rainbow crossings terrorism.
    
    I’m sure you can pull out some examples of violence at these parades. Like them protecting the old ladies that fled down the hill from the out of control feral mob that chased them from the Posie Parker event. Or maybe the alleged violence at the TeAtatu Library trans grooming storytime.
    
    To equate the Destiny Church to radical Islam is just anti-Christian bigotry.
    
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    December 21, 2025 11:00am
    - Nikola Donatello
      
      I am a practising catholic. I am not engaging in anti Christian bigotry.
      
      These folk behaved like thugs. I don’t care if there was no physical violence. They bullied a bunch of sikhs having a good time. Yes they should be condemned.
      
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      December 21, 2025 12:40pm
  - AitchW
    
    Tamaki’s haka parties are designed to intimidate.
    Nothing more, nothing less.
    Ranks of angry, aggressive young Maori men advancing into their target’s faces? This is not some sort of happy cultural display.
    
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    December 21, 2025 1:19pm
    - Paulus
      
      The Haaka is the creation of the accepted physical violence deemed to be the Maori way. Look at the the Prison population relevent to violence.
      Look at the recent Kapa Haka children’s competition in Auckland where all the thousands of little girls wore the chin to show everybody their superiority although they did not understand the physical vioence that they learn at Primary schools in their first year.
      Generall y supported by the many sickly white liberals who really want to be Maori.
      
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      December 21, 2025 2:46pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Don’t be too quick to pick a side, Sikhs are subject to religious sects the same as Islam and Christianity.
    
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    December 23, 2025 4:21pm
- kowtow
  
  Would be interesting to know what the Sikh parade was about.
  The report gives no context .
  
  Elements of Hindu and Sikh India have not always been the best of neighbours.
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:29am
- kowtow
  
  Talking of India , I see in the world “news” that a train has killed some elephants.
  
  World news when a train kills a few big wild animals.
  
  Some 20,000 people are killed in the train system there every year !
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:39am
- rouppe
  
  The group says they oppose “globalism, mass immigration, and woke ideology.”
  
  And demonstrate that with a haka.
  
  A haka as a response to everything is a perfect representation of woke ideology.
  
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  December 21, 2025 10:46am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Interesting to see the police getting involved so the March could be completed yet they wouldn’t protect old ladies from violent thugs in Albert Park.
  
  NZ Police, woketards, hang your heads in shame!
  
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  December 21, 2025 1:00pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Look on the bright side. Perhaps the new Commissioner is having an effect.
    
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    December 21, 2025 1:32pm
lifesgood

Unfortunately, due to terror attacks, like the Twin Towers etc, the west has been too terrified to come down hard on terrorists. How stupid has it been for countries, especially the UK and even Australia to allow a mass invasion of them. The gutless west has been intimidated and now bends over backwards to accommodate them for fear of an attack. The West is now reaping what it sowed and I don’t know how they will ever fix it. The terrorist Muslims have won.
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December 21, 2025 9:34am
- pb
  
  West imported mass immigrants to keep financing debt. They become collateral for new home loans, and cheap labour. Human Quantitative easing. Bank stocks take priority over your daughters safety bigot.
  
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  December 21, 2025 1:14pm
  - lifesgood
    
    If you are calling me a bigot I am not impressed. Make your point but don’t be abusive.
    
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    December 21, 2025 6:38pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

In recent weeks there’s been a hoo-harr in the media about NZ closing down for six weeks plus over Christmas, and how bad that is for the economy. Not a lot of self reflection from RNZ Morning Report, who signed off for the year on Friday and are not back until Akld Anniversary Weekend.

It does beg the question of how much leave RNZ staff get. The firm I work in gets the flat four weeks. In the public sector above a certain low-ish level, five weeks is all but mandatory, with Departmental days on top.

It seems to me that the productive sector receives only the minimum, and it’s the non productive sector that is taking the time off.

All of which underlines how poor a measure of productivity is GDP.
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December 21, 2025 9:48am
- Phronesis
  
  RNZ would be a good example of government workers who probably do more harm than good by showing up to work. Not the only ones unfortunately. Perhaps the Govt should off them all 52 weeks of leave a year. It won’t help Govt expenditure but it may well help everyone else contribute to real GDP.
  
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  December 21, 2025 12:10pm
- MCōs
  
  Four weeks leave plus a week of statutory holidays would take a Wellingtonian from this weekend until Auckland Anniversary weekend
  
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  December 21, 2025 12:49pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Sure. Then as a snapshot, observe how many times the presenters are absent during the rest of the year.
    
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    December 21, 2025 1:34pm
- Paulus
  
  Teachers do better don’t they ?
  
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  December 21, 2025 2:48pm
- Christopher Thomson
  
  It’s ‘hoo-ha’ or ‘hoo-hah’.
  
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  December 21, 2025 4:04pm
Yvette

New Zealand Islamic situation?
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/11/the_anti-semitic_auckland_iman.html
This is shocking stuff. The Islamic community in New Zealand has generally been very moderate and well integrated. We have avoided most of the problems that Europe and Australia has. But there are real questions to be answered about how such hate speech was allowed to be preached in Auckland and by a senior cleric.
Susan Devoy has said:
The Human Rights Commission says an Auckland man’s speeches condemning Jewish people are appalling and have no place in New Zealand.

Meanwhile –
In July 2025, several leading New Zealand Muslim and Jewish organisations signed the New Zealand Harmony Accord, a historic agreement to promote dialogue, mutual respect, and unity, while rejecting antisemitism and Islamophobia. The Accord was signed at Government House under the aegis of the Ministry for Ethnic Communities.
https://www.ethniccommunities.govt.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0028/77284/NZ-Harmony-Accord-1.pdf
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December 21, 2025 10:03am
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  That’s not “meanwhile”. The hateful remarks you cite were made in 2016, and the Harmony Accord was agreed this year. The Christchurch massacre took place in between. The actual sequence of events suggests real and positive progress in New Zealand.
  
  If you want to make the case that Muslims in New Zealand are hateful, you will need to present different evidence.
  
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  December 21, 2025 11:46am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    DQ have you heard of a thing called window dressing?
    
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    December 21, 2025 4:55pm
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      Yes; and I’ve also heard of people who give themselves internet handles to suggest that they are something that they are not.
      
      That exists. People do do that.
      
      So what? It’s not proof that you are not in fact a New Zealander in exile. If I wanted to assert that, I would need to provide actual evidence.
      
      It may be that Muslims in New Zealand remain as hate-filled today as that preacher was in 2016. However, evidence for that hasn’t been presented here.
      
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      December 21, 2025 5:55pm
  - Yvette
    
    Dudley : If you want to make the case that Muslims in New Zealand are hateful …
    
    I have absolutely no intention of making any judgement on the scope of Islam in New Zealand. I was just pointing out that speech which appalled Susan Devoy (which dates it) contrasts with the 2025 Accord, of which I don’t think Australia has the equivalent.
    
    And as I understand it …
    adverb: meanwhile means, in the intervening period of time, or on the other hand.
    
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    December 21, 2025 5:38pm
Chuck Bird

What Does Islam Teach About

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C2657980978
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December 21, 2025 10:04am
BeaB

I am waiting for our supine leaders to start allowing in ‘refugees’ from Gaza. Perhaps it’s time for some more focussed questioning of their values. For example, do you make your women cover themselves in sacks? Do you practise FGM for your daughters? What are your views on jihad and intifada? Did you vote for Hamas? Do you support gay marriage?
There are many more but Bruce Cottrill’s outstanding article in The Herald sums it all up eloquently. We are entitled to enjoy our country, cultures and values as they are. We do not have to bow before foreign idols or pernicious ideologies. Human rights matter to us. Immigrants are entitled to universal freedoms but not toxic practices that undermine our way of life.
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December 21, 2025 10:32am
- Paulus
  
  Our Refugees only come from the UN Refugee Agency and we have to accept who and what they give us.
  And whoever they are get supported very well initially indeed.
  
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  December 21, 2025 2:51pm
  - Jack5
    
    Do we have to accept them, or are the UN Refugee Agency dominating our choice of migrants because of Leftists in the NZ Government agencies?
    
    At the end of June the world had 42.5 million refugees, 67.8 million “displaced” people within the borders of their own countries, and 8.42 million refugees.
    
    How many of the Middle East’s persecuted Christians were in the quotas the UN gave to NZ?
    
    https://www.unhcr.org/about-unhcr/overview/figures-glance
    
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    December 21, 2025 4:07pm
    - Mike
      
      Perhaps you could research this question. which I believe you have asked before, and report back.
      
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      December 21, 2025 5:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        You could do your own research, Mike.
        
        While you’re on it, I see NZ is currently including in its refugee quota a hundred Rohingya refugees — Muslims from Myanmar.
        
        Mike, you’ll be able to tell us whether NZ has taken a hundred Christian refugees from Myanmar over the 80 years since the Buddhist majority have been persecuting these Christians.
        
        Right now, Christians are being driven out of homes in Myanmar and churches are burning. I doubt the UN apparatchiks who choose refugees for NZ are adding Mhyanmar Christians to NZ’s refugee quota.
        
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        December 21, 2025 10:31pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Possibly the numbers might have something to do with it. There are something like a million – give or take – living as refugees in Cox’s Bazaar area in Bangladesh ….
        
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        December 22, 2025 8:54am
    - Jack5
      
      Edit: …and 8.42 million ~~refugees~~ asylum seekers.
      
      Sorry!
      
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      December 21, 2025 6:24pm
- kowtow
  
  I’ve read the Cotteril article and his anti police part of it has not aged well , to say the least .They were true heros on the day too.
  
  Be that as it may for commentary you can’t go past Peta Credlin in today’s Herald Sun . Excellent and headed “Our safety exchanged for ambition and votes’.
  
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  December 21, 2025 3:14pm
Don Beckett

Somone asked the other day (I think it was Mike, but maybe not) where there was any mention in the Koran about killing Jews.
Well, here we are:
Hadith and Sira
Sahih Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
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December 21, 2025 11:21am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Sahih -al-Bukhari isn’t The Koran.
  It’s a separate compilation of hadith compiled by a Sunni scholar.
  
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  December 21, 2025 11:47am
  - kowtow
    
    Indeed but there’s no shortage of actual anti semitism in the Koran itself .Or the daily prayers .
    
    https://christianconcern.com/resource/antisemitism-in-islam-part-one-the-quran/
    
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    December 21, 2025 12:51pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, taken from the teaching of Mohamed, & the hadiths are taken as Muslim belief by both Sunni & Shia. Perhaps I should not have specified the Koran, but it is a teaching of Islam.
    
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    December 21, 2025 12:56pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  Indeed. Islam is obsessed with killing Jews and Christians.
  
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  December 21, 2025 4:29pm
cmm

Does anyone else share my foreboding that Sydney is in for a serious terror event in the next few days – possibly New Year?

The 7 Muslim dudes traveling up from Victoria to Sydney were a clear intelligence gathering exercise to probe out the level of police scrutiny etc. Why else would 7 Muslim dudes, with some ties to radical groups, travel together for a 900km trip to Sydney, then. presumably, return to Melbourne?

Perhaps they were traveling to Bondi on some sort of pilgrimage, but that would seem far fetched.

These men were apparently under surveillance in Melbourne. The cost of this surveillance is huge. Keeping 24 hour surveillance on a person requires at least 5 cops and must be a huge drain on the force when they are monitoring hundreds of them.
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December 21, 2025 12:41pm
- Wandering Star
  
  You think these reports are to sow the seeds in the public mind to expect an “Islamic terror attack,” as you seem to, aka predictive programming?
  
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  December 21, 2025 12:52pm
- kowtow
  
  The Cops have a real problem on their hands .
  
  Jump too soon ; no evidence.
  leave it too late ; unimaginable consequences .
  
  It’s the price to pay for living in a democracy , but it wasn’t always this way . Something’s changed , radically.
  
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  December 21, 2025 12:54pm
  - Christopher Thomson
    
    What has hapened is that the majority of political leaders in the west have come from a generation that are indoctrinated to hate their own country and western civilization. They seek to destroy our world.
    
    To that end they have invited the barbarians through the gates and into our cities.
    
    They are insulated from the consequences of their ideology. It’s the citizens that they despise that bear the suffering.
    
    Brutal mass-killings and the refusal to expel the barbarians is by design.
    
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    December 21, 2025 4:12pm
MCōs

My wife was looking at social media from Thailand this morning. There’s a shooting fracas on the border with Cambodia and she told me she’d see clips of Thai soldiers crying after they’d killed Cambodians.
One would have to think their heart wasn’t in it
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December 21, 2025 1:48pm
- Mike
  
  Hang on, President Trump has stopped that war, hasn’t he?
  
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  December 21, 2025 1:55pm
  - MCōs
    
    Several times, but in typical SE Asian fashion he’s told what he wants to hear and then they carry on with what they doing
    
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    December 21, 2025 4:07pm
    - Dudley Quaffquaff
      
      Pretty much the entire world has sussed out that “tell Trump what he wants to hear and then carry on with what you’re doing” is the way to deal with him.
      
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      December 21, 2025 4:41pm
- Ra Henare
  
  For all those who havent a clue.
  
  Yes Mcos your wife may have seen clips purporting to be crying Thai soldiers. But please be aware the propaganda war here is just as fierce if not more fierce that the shooting war.
  
  Both sides are pushing their populations hard to sweeten their side of the conflict and demonise the others.
  
  Much has been reported as real then discovered to be staged(like most modern wars).
  
  I am on the Cambodia side with a number of friends on the Thai side (all foreigners).
  
  What we see and report to each other is nothing like the MSM or Social media trolls.
  
  The Thai side going to the polls in February will unfortunately only escalate the situation as Thai politicians/Military attempt to get votes for defending Thailand.
  
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  December 21, 2025 5:16pm
Mike

What are the favorite charities for Kiwibloggers this Xmas?
I’ve noticed lots of advertising for City Mission, UNHCR, MSF, and the Salvation Army.
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December 21, 2025 1:58pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Lefties are less likely to donate to charity.
  
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  December 21, 2025 4:56pm
  - Mike
    
    Sounds like an invented reason for you to donate nothing.
    
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    December 21, 2025 5:36pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Incorrect on both counts. I donate regularly and not just to tribal political entities (those get a lot less actually).
      
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      December 21, 2025 10:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Mine’s the Waipareira Trust…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/waipareira-paid-bonus-to-allow-john-tamihere-to-settle-campaign-loan/premium/WOPIMEPAJZGZ5PQXE3SZII6DUY/

such a winning formula…
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December 21, 2025 4:29pm
- greybeard
  
  Tamihere: a name which will go down in history as one of New Zealand’s most reviled.
  
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  December 21, 2025 5:04pm
Jack5

Radio NZ, funded by taxpayers to about $72.5 million in its last financial year, seems to be agitating that New Zealand is chiselling Western Samoa over damages caused by the sinking of the HMNZS Manawanui last year.

An RNZ report says concerns are being raised that the New Zealand government has short-changed Samoa since Manawanui sank.

The RNZ reporter’s allegation of short-changing seems to amount to the view of an AUT law academic that NZ is attempting to ring-fence its liability.

The reporter used the Official Information Act to reveal that Samoa initially sought compensation of about $6 million. It seems to be getting that amount.

The reporter says that on 19 May: Winston Peters explains the compensation “resolves all issues arising from the sinking of the HMNZS Manawanui between the government of New Zealand and the government of Samoa” and “the government of Samoa will not seek further payment from New Zealand”.

To a layman, sounds a pretty run-of-the-mill condition in a settlement.

But why would a Government- owned news medium go into bat for an overseas state against its own Government?

Does RNZ think Winston Peters is a tightwad agreeing to a settlement one-twelfth of what RNZ itself got from the Government?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/582419/did-new-zealand-shortchange-samoa-over-hmnzs-manawanui-wreck-compensation
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