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David George

“How does a country make itself safe and productive?

Great Britain did it with Christianity—and by executing or imprisoning the worst males in every generation for hundreds of years.

By the 1960s, the country was so civilized that policeman carried nothing but a nightstick, everybody queued without a second thought, and newspaper [honesty] boxes were left unlocked on the high street.

Britain had become a so-called high trust society — less euphemistically, an honest society.

Something similar—without the Christianity—transpired in Japan.

What happens to such a country if it forgets how difficult that was to attain?

The Brits found out. And then denied it.”
https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/blog/theyre-not-rape-gangs/
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July 26, 2026 8:22am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  One of the UK’s problems is that it has untrammelled immigration. Turn up in a rubber boat and they’ll put you up at the Hilton, gratis.
  
  Perhaps the Royal Navy should simply machine gun a few rubber boats in the Channel, pour encourage les autres. Harsh, but every year many would-be migrants drown. Sending the message that the welcome mat has been withdrawn will save more lives than it would cost, in the long run.
  
  Alternatively, the UK could take a leaf out of Australia’s book. Every migrant and asylum seeker is promptly shipped to an offshore island for assessment. Ascension Is would do nicely.
  
  Either way, a country that is not in control of its borders is not really a country.
  
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  July 26, 2026 8:33am
  - Gulag1917
    
    Lack of guts is a major part off the problem.
    
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    July 26, 2026 12:40pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Which is fueled by luxury beliefs and suicidal empathy. All a by-product of having it too good for too long and thus having the imagined luxury of being able to live in la la land.
      
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      July 26, 2026 4:25pm
- Stephen Russell
  
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  Ah! So the solution to Britain’s woes are theocracy and mass executions? Like Iran?
  
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  July 26, 2026 8:53am
  - mike
    
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    Don’t forget criminalising homosexuality!
    
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    July 26, 2026 9:00am
    - David George
      
      I see yet another Muslim has driven his car into innocent civilian pedestrians in Germany. This time a pride festival/parade
      At least one dead and 17 others injured, including three critically, after a white van mowed down a crowd of people at the event.
      
      The driver allegedly attacked people with a knife after the collision, which occurred at Berlin’s Tiergarten park. The suspect later fled the scene on foot and remains at large.
      No comment from Gays for Gaza?
      
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      July 26, 2026 4:53pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Did it offend your sensibilities to read the essay (I assume you actually did) that calls for justice to be done – there was no mention of return to theocracy so is your comment intellectual laziness or are you supportive of an establishment; parliament, councils, police and liberal society that put ideology ahead of natural justice just because perpetrator were Pakistani Muslims? The last paragraph provides a portent which most who have followed this tragedy will have already considered:
    “Continued suppression of the normative majority’s insistence that cultural norms be upheld—that is, that vicious, hate-motivated serial rapists face consequences—will do nothing but ensure that when the tide turns, it turns with a vengeance.”
    
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    July 26, 2026 9:07am
    - mike
      
      normative majority’s insistence that cultural norms be upheld—that is, that vicious, hate-motivated serial rapists face consequence
      
      Well, at least he has been forced to pay damages to one victim – E Jean Carroll
      
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      July 26, 2026 9:56am
      - rouppe
        
        Turning the persistent, organised and brutal rape of underage girls into a joke is a new low for you, Mike.
        
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        July 26, 2026 3:34pm
      - mike
        
        I guess you might have a higher opinion of some rapists than others.
        
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        July 26, 2026 4:29pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Rouppe the common wrote deranged lefty answer around the rape gangs and other cancerous social developments like that is ” oh it’s only a tiny minority of the population being victimised so what are you losing your shit about?”.
        
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        July 26, 2026 4:30pm
      - Charlotte Wells
        
        Please link to the court conviction of Trump for rape.
        
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        July 26, 2026 7:43pm
  - David George
    
    Your dishonest strawman argument is of a kind with the deceit that that revelatory essay exposes.
    
    “To tell the truth is to bring the most habitable reality into Being.
    Truth builds edifices that can stand a thousand years.
    Truth feeds and clothes the poor, and makes nations wealthy and safe.
    Truth reduces the terrible complexity of a man to the simplicity of his word, so that he can become a partner rather than an enemy.
    Truth makes the past truly past, and makes the best use of the future’s possibilities.
    Truth is the ultimate, inexhaustible natural resource. It’s the light in the darkness.
    
    See the truth. Tell the truth.”
    Jordan Peterson.
    
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    July 26, 2026 9:40am
    - mike
      
      How does one reconcile Peterson’s ‘truth’ with reality?
      
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      July 26, 2026 9:58am
      - R
        
        How?…..with that old fashioned concept of rational thinking!
        
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        July 26, 2026 10:26am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Mike by pulling one’s head out of the lefty echo chamber.
        
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        July 26, 2026 4:32pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Very silly comment
    
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    July 26, 2026 9:54am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Mike and SR: Silly hyperbole is all you’ve got?
    
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    July 26, 2026 4:26pm
- Philview
  
  The Brits have had the ‘Boris Wave’ of mass migration. Something like 5 million people since 2020. A policy done to suppress wages and effectively has broken the social contract.
  
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  July 26, 2026 9:15am
  - Quail
    
    Before NZ starts worrying about the rest of the world, getting our own house in order would be much more appropriate.
    Trust, in part comes from law that is universally respected., and is the same for every citizen.
    The concept that ancestry is somehow of more value than meritocracy is causing division and angst throughout. NZ.
    The Adam Smith philosophy ( of self interest) is ingrained in almost everyone and the only way to control that is good law ,respected, and enforced by all.
    And as a footnote ,in the the past good law in NZ was largely supplied by a Christian Britain .
    A huge gift to NZ among other colonised countries !
    NZ politicians must govern for all, and a good start would be to resurrect the ACT Treaty Principles Bill!
    
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    July 26, 2026 9:48am
    - Yvette
      
      Quail –NZ politicians must govern for all, and a good start would be to resurrect the ACT Treaty Principles Bill!
      
      No, not the ACT Treaty Principles Bill, but a simpler bill which just states all New Zealanders have equal rights and responsibilities, and a Government which is secure in its right to govern, and is secular in all its dealings.
      
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      July 26, 2026 10:12am
      - R
        
        Yvette, your solution would be much simpler, much clearer, and easy enough to understand ; that even our Judges could get it right.
        
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        July 26, 2026 10:30am
      - Cassandra
        
        Leave the Treaty out of it and have an overarching law of equality. Of course we might have to change the membership of the Supreme Court.
        
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        July 26, 2026 10:31am
      - Quail
        
        Yvette,
        Certainly could live with your concept .
        But ,something must be done now!
        
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        July 26, 2026 10:34am
      - Yvette
        
        Such a New Zealander rights and responsibilities bill should be as simple as the “English as an Official New Zealand Language” Bill.
        
        I have often mentioned that the Treaty, which I would exclude from such a ratification bill, is so open to various translations and argument, as to mean that three consecutive Prime Ministers have stated from their knowledge of the Treaty, that Maori ceded sovereignty to the Crown, that they didn’t, and the third PM didn’t know the content of Article 1 when asked at Waitangi.
        
        Such an indecisive treaty is not worthy of being called either ‘scared’ nor ‘the founding document of the nation’. It is one of the prime reasons a simple, non-Treaty bill is required.
        
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        July 26, 2026 11:28am
      - Paulus
        
        By so doing would automatically totally aolish the so called Maori Parliamentary Seats.
        It will never happen !
        
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        July 26, 2026 12:40pm
  - kowtow
    
    Labour , under Blair brought in millions , to push “multiculturalism and teach Tory voters a lesson’
    
    Then the Tories brought them in to suppress the working classes .
    
    Then the great and the good wonder at the growth of “populism”.
    
    With reference to the wider debate ;
    
    the profileration of narcotics has got to be a big part of the picture .
    
    Religion is not the opium of the people .
    Opium (etc) is the opium of the people.
    
    Very good article in yesterday’s Daily Telegraph about how Turdeau’s legalisation of pot has created a huge narcotics problem for Belgium. Basically the domestic market in Canada has been usurped by the triads .
    
    More “Elites” being oh so progressive .
    
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    July 26, 2026 10:03am
- Positan
  
  David, the final bolts that held-back our self-destruction were removed in the late ’80s-’90s with the banning of corporal punishment in schools and then the idiotic prevention of smacking children in the home.
  Prior to that, importantly, children were raised, inculcated with respect for authority – no matter from where it was exercised – and they quickly learned there were always consequences for bad behaviour. By the time they became teens, that learned respect for authority gradually developed into individual respect for themselves and each other, and a beneficial pathway into life was correspondingly accorded.
  Sadly, with the elevation via MMP of complete and utter idiot Labour and Green MPs with intellects even softer than their ill-considered, touchy-feely outlooks – the lessons hard-learned after decades of positive results were abandoned which has resulted in the destructive chaos we endure today. A Sid Holland type of National government would have turned things around, but the insipid “leadership” from the party that calls itself National today won’t ever act in remediation.
  And solely because of that, the future looks very bleak.
  
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  July 26, 2026 9:38am
  - mike
    
    Ah, good ol’ Sid Holland. Led the National Party’s fight against socialism by endorsing socialism.
    
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    July 26, 2026 10:00am
    - Cassandra
      
      I don’t think Sid was a socialist, mike, but he was certainly a centralist. But the point was that he was decisive and determined. Luxon is not. His approach is to offend as few of his opponents as possible. Someone with Sid’s pigheadedness and Seymour’s brains would my choice.
      
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      July 26, 2026 10:36am
      - Quail
        
        Cassandra,
        Sid Holland was a post WW 2 politician who had respect for a NZ populace that had just gone through forms of hell. From an economic depression into losses of huge numbers of families best and brightest children in WW 2
        The country and( much fewer) politicians used to give necessary respect to one another.
        Today ,the only apparent political interest in the populace is how to get their votes.
        Aided and abetted by a political system ( MMP) that means few consequences for the politicians .
        If they don’t get enough votes the party and the bureaucracy will still look after them .They will still be paid.
        So today, political consequences for poor performance are few.
        In Sid Hollands day the consequences of failure were real!
        MMP has insulated those in the Beehive today from reality. They “know best “ and are making the most of it,
        NZ voters are irrelevant,
        
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        July 26, 2026 11:39am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    You blame MMP and the Greens, but John Key backed the smacking ban. Let’s not forget he also got into bed with TMP and signed us up to UNDRIP. And Key’s ACC Minister Judith Collins was responsible for bringing in the “Mates n Dates” program – a Trojan Horse for radical gender ideology in schools.
    
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    July 26, 2026 10:15am
    - David Garrett
      
      Pope: I agree that UNDRIP was one of Key’s very few missteps…ACT was the only party which opposed its signing…which didn’t really achieve anything since the bloody thing had already been signed when parliament became aware of it.
      
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      July 26, 2026 11:58am
      - keepcalmcarryon
        
        One of Keys many missteps , far too many – repealing seabed and foreshore which saw massive claims made for the coastline , enabling cogovernance agreements in councils, asset sales against public wishes, dairy cows in the Mackenzie basin. There are many many more.
        Couldn’t stand him in office, smarmy lying sell out.
        Plenty of other people bought his bullshit though in your defense.
        
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        July 26, 2026 12:06pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Keep calm: what the hell did Key do to introduce dairy in the McKenzie basin?
        
        But I agree re the foreshore and seabed Act…Labours version was much better that its replacement
        
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        July 26, 2026 12:43pm
      - Jack5
        
        DG’s ….UNDRIP was one of Key’s very few missteps
        
        Would you classify as another misstep Key’s position when boat people targeting Australia were being interned in Nauru?
        
        Key offered to take 150 of these people into NZ.
        
        In 2022, NZ finally agreed to take 150 a year for three years.
        
        I wonder whether some, on becoming NZ citizens, finally got into Australia through the NZ Visa-entry back door?
        
        Our health system’s near-bust as demand outruns supply, our other infrastructure’s under severe pressure, and NZ takes the high ground on immigration – first on Australian border-crashers, and now on Indian professionals and students.
        
        What put the fire out in NZ’s spirit?
        
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        July 26, 2026 2:20pm
      - keepcalmcarryon
        
        David G he used the asset sales money to subsidize irrigation = dairy cows in the Mackenzie.
        
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        July 26, 2026 3:36pm
      - Ghost
        
        Not in the Mackenzie Basin. These were funded by private capital, commercial agreements, and individual station owners.
        
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        July 26, 2026 3:50pm
      - keepcalmcarryon
        
        Ghost -AI when asked if government subsidized irrigation in the Mackenzie:
        “ Yes, the government helped facilitate irrigation in the Mackenzie Basin indirectly through hydro-engineering schemes and policy frameworks, though large-scale private and corporate conversions drove modern intensive farming”
        
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        July 26, 2026 5:08pm
      - Ghost
        
        Your AI answer does not back up in anyway your false claim that Key used asset sale money to subsidize irrigation there. He didn’t, no government money went into the irrigation scheme there. But your AI would have said that, you have chosen to leave that out
        
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        July 26, 2026 5:27pm
      - keepcalmcarryon
        
        And also DG, Keys [Key} stacked ECAN consenting environmental sacrilege for profit;
        https://www.ruralnewsgroup.co.nz/dairy-news/dairy-management/uproar-over-irrigation-consent
        
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        July 26, 2026 5:50pm
      - Pope Punctilious II
        
        What did Key do with his enormous popularity? Did he move to reverse the disastrous replacement of the family by the state? Did he push back against the long march through the country’s institutions? His “rockstar” economy was mostly about unsustainable immigration levels and a housing bubble. He gave us a frivolous (and rigged) flag referendum – which silver fern design do you want on your flag? He slashed DOC’s funding and said “they’ll have to do partnerships” – but left the useless demographic ministries intact. A man who prioritized personal popularity over the country’s future. Face it: Key squandered 9 years.
        
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        July 26, 2026 6:26pm
  - R
    
    Positan, your comment is true, up to the …but the insipid……., phrase. MMP is the cause of the problem that Sid Holland never had to contend with, and one that the irresponsible element of the population don’t want changed.
    
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    July 26, 2026 10:39am
  - Paulus
    
    Used to be called Consequences !
    
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    July 26, 2026 12:41pm
  - OlderChas
    
    Positan I would submit that it started in Timaru – I think 1974- when a young – 14 I think – scrote called out “Fucking pig C—ts” and spat in their direction as a sergeant and two constables were patrolling on foot.
    The patrol stopped and had a discussion with the scrote then told him he was under arrest and to get into the called up patrol car. The scrote resisted, and the Sergeant grabbed him by the hair and got his head down far enough to bundle him into the car.
    The scrote’s father – an immigrant from the UK – made a complaint. The sergeant was demoted (and I think left the police in disgust,) and a constable was sacked.
    Any respect for authority of police went out the window from then on. But yes you’re probably right. You called them the final bolts.
    
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    July 26, 2026 6:20pm
- An Old Kiwi
  
  I find it hard to understand why UK (& USA) would pay lots of welfare $$$$ to those illegal immigrants. If I was a taxpayer (of either country). I would probably find it very annoying that I’m working hard to pay for them.
  
  It used to be that immigrants to a country instead got a job, if they wanted to eat. Two consequences:
  1. Less incentive to migrate, &
  2. They had less spare time to go on protest marches or to groom/molest the native children/women of the country.
  
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  July 26, 2026 12:03pm
- Dudley Quaffquaff
  
  Yeah – wasn’t so great if you were a woman. Social exclusion, humiliation and poverty if you weren’t married, unpaid labour and abuse without recourse if you were
  
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  July 26, 2026 12:04pm
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    Ah yes, the lot of Western women was wretched indeed before feminists and progressives came along to liberate them from the wicked heteronormative patriarchy. They were oppressed! And yet, women are now more miserable than ever.
    https://share.google/fY9aMgH1PIZZv31G9
    Riddle me that one, Dudley.
    
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    July 26, 2026 2:03pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      What feminists steadfastly ignore is that pre the post WW2 boom, life was effing hard for everyone, man or woman, except for the very tiny percentage of the upper crust. Men were expected to be expendable insects and not complain about it.
      
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      July 26, 2026 4:37pm
- slijmbal
  
  @DG
  
  As a Pom who grew up in a poor part of Liverpool in the 60s to 80s I can only say that’s a fundamentally wrong and incredibly rose tinted view of the UK. It was crime ridden and violent with high unemployment, and welfare fraud was rife. The same story was repeated in the likes of Glasgow, parts of London etc The middle class lived in their safe little enclaves and deplored the great unwashed and the class system was alive and well and flourishing. Crimes such as rapes, domestic violence and under age prostitution frequently occurred but much was swept under the rug. Interestingly, racism and sexism dropped right off and acceptance of homosexuality massively increased during the 60s through to the 80s.
  
  There is much greater media coverage of crime and a lot more financially oriented crime occurs e.g. fraud, shoplifting. Sex related crimes are much more likely to be reported. Interestingly, violent crime seemed to peak in the early 90s. We are seeing the squeezed middle, greater geographical mobility within the UK and thus more people exposed to crime but not massively greater levels of crime. We are seeing certain types of crime in some new ‘pockets’ e.g. black economy with immigrants from poor countries (earlier immigrants from the Commonwealth actually had the best stats for lack of crime etc.) , welfare abuse amongst Muslims from poor countries. However, the prior pockets e.g. urban poor working class in the black economy didn’t go away.
  
  The welfare state has doubled in size and associated welfare crime has also substantially increased (not doubled).
  
  “By the 1960s, the country was so civilized that policeman carried nothing but a nightstick,” – there was NEVER the American habit of generally arming police in the UK. This is a false comparison. BTW if you were ever hit with a copper’s truncheon you would know they could hurt you rather badly. There are more armed coppers nowadays because there are more armed criminals.
  
  I’m not saying the UK hasn’t gotten worse just that it was not a high trust society ala Japan and as one of the most urbanised countries on the planet had plenty of crime.
  
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  July 26, 2026 2:35pm
Gravelroad

As mentioned on here before, I get fortnightly scam/spam emails which use a real friends name as the sender.
Friend is not sending them.
The emails come from a different international address each time.
They all say the same thing – photos for you or report of a recent but unspecified event.
I have enquired at various anti-online scam help groups as to what to do about this.
They don’t know. (Makes me wonder what they are funded for then.)
So I just block and delete.
Can anyone enlighten me as to the purpose of these pointless emails?
In other words, why are the senders bothering to do this?
They don’t ask for anything.
And family member got caught by this below a few weeks ago:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/361010156/it-looked-completely-legitimate-shoppers-caught-out-fake-nz-boutique-websites
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July 26, 2026 8:58am
- Ghost
  
  apart from changing your email address, blocking is all you can do.
  
  Also check to make sure you weren’t part of any breach
  
  https://haveibeenpwned.com/
  
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  July 26, 2026 9:10am
  - David Garrett
    
    Ghost: blocking doesn’t seem to work thse days…I- and dozens of others much better known than me -receive daily mad rants from this woman … I have tried to block her without success..
    If you know how, please do let me know. I use Outlook for email
    
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    July 26, 2026 12:02pm
    - Ghost
      
      that is the problem, people will just change their email address and your options are, keep blocking her, change your email.
      
      btw. searching the blog cause I know you drop your email address, I ran it through have haveibeenpawned. your address has been involved in 8 breaches.
      
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      July 26, 2026 12:18pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Ghost: can you explain what those “breaches” are? I’m not too good on internet stuff
        
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        July 26, 2026 12:45pm
      - Ghost
        
        OK, so let’s go with the latest one. In 2025 Synthient collected just under 2 billion leaked emails and passwords from different locations that they have been published on. Your email address and possibly old passwords were included on that list
        
        Basically just change your passwords regularly.
        
        Even better create an alias email that you use online
        
        https://www.spark.co.nz/help/get-more/xtra/webmail-basics/email-aliases/
        
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        July 26, 2026 1:05pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Ghost: Thanks for that (although I didn’t really understand it)
        
        I can’t (or don’t think I can) use an “alias email address…that address has been linked to my business for 25 years.
        
        And as for passwords…I will take your advice…but I’m an old man now, and the memory isn’t so good…
        
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        July 26, 2026 1:40pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        @ David Garrett
        “……but I’m an old man now.”
        WHAT ???
        C’mon David – you’re all of about 69 aren’t you ?
        Shit mate, you’re not must past being in your prime.
        Now – I’m 84 – That’s Old. !! 🙂
        
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        July 26, 2026 2:27pm
      - Jack5
        
        DG: how to block incoming emails in Outlook. Here’s how:
        
        https://www.mailreach.co/blog/how-to-block-an-email-in-outlook
        
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        July 26, 2026 2:31pm
      - Charlotte Wells
        
        If I understand, the alias email is some new address you create in a free email like gmail.
        
        The whenever you visit some website that requires an email address but you think it will result in lots of mail you use the gmail address.
        
        I have several and use a simple and basic password. If it gets hacked who cares.
        
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        July 26, 2026 7:58pm
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah, you can do it like that. Gmail doesn’t yet, I think, they were going to bring it in. With other providers like xtra, or outlook.com you can create an alias in your main account. So it is attached to your main address, then when you get too many shit emails just delete it and create another.
        
        But a separate account has it’s benefits. I change gmail accounts at least monthly
        
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        July 26, 2026 8:06pm
- pdm
  
  While I don’t recall any recently I have regularly received spam over the years purportedly from my own email address.
  
  I often wonder how that originates.
  
  The Viagra and `growing my penis’ ones that were so frequent 20 years ago have stopped though.
  
  Probably realised I was a lost cause.
  
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  July 26, 2026 9:23am
  - An Old Kiwi
    
    My son found hilarious the “feel 20 years younger” emails. – He was 18 years old at the time. LOL
    
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    July 26, 2026 12:10pm
  - peterwn
    
    They were the same thing – both were marketing Viagra.
    
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    July 26, 2026 1:00pm
- Nikola Donatello
  
  The emails you received are called “phishing”. They usually want you to click a malicious link,
  or reply with useful information that confirms your address is active.
  
  The reason they bother doing this comes down to numbers. If they send 100,000 emails, it only takes 1 in 1000 or even 1 in 10000 recipients to engage, and it is worthwhile for them.
  
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  July 26, 2026 9:58am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Thanks for that.
    They don’t ask me to do anything or say they want to sell something.
    I assume they must have access to my account as they use the name of a real person as the sender?
    
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    July 26, 2026 10:13am
    - wsk12345
      
      They can easily get a persons friend list off social media etc. they key thing to check is not the name it purports to come from but the actual email address. Generally even where it says it comes from say IRD, when you check the address it won’t be a simple @ird,govt.nz, they will insert an extra bit.
      
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      July 26, 2026 10:18am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      The other thing you can do is create a disposable email address or alias that you just use online. I have a Gmail address that I only use for online purchases etc. It now has thousands of junk emails in the inbox. Does not matter.
      
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      July 26, 2026 1:20pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I find many websites offering services now demand to see your real IP address and refuse to deal with you if you use privacy preserving services (like a VPN, privacy browser or privacy respecting email services).
        
        I am seeing off-grid communities as being ever more attractive. Big tech are creating digital prisons that are a shitty nightmare for everyone but them!
        
        And if you are thinking “what’s the problem?”, think about identity theft and understand what that does to a person.
        
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        July 26, 2026 4:59pm
- tavita
  
  Fortnightly- you are lucky. I get 4 or 5 emails a day offering me or my company loans of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
  
  Every now and then I set up rules to send the current crop to the trash but they just reappear from other addresses.
  
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  July 26, 2026 10:01am
- Flossie
  
  I,as a woman (do we know what that means?!) with my proper and obviously female name in my email address, have for the past month been receiving lots of emails from many differently named women who offer photos of their naked selves. I do wonder about this! Never have I even checked a site that could possibly suggest I have any interest in naked women.
  
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  July 26, 2026 10:29am
  - David Garrett
    
    Flossie: You should be so lucky!
    
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    July 26, 2026 12:04pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      You could ask Flossie to forward them on to you ! 😆
      
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      July 26, 2026 1:02pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Don: I did think of that!…but that would indicate some unhealthy desparation on my part…
        
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        July 26, 2026 2:36pm
    - OlderChas
      
      DG old chap – it’s desperation, not desparation. But then – you youngsters always did think you knew everything lol. I promise not to email you anything.!
      
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      July 26, 2026 6:40pm
imalwaysright

And now it seems that Iran, along with any other interested country, could be smuggling Intelligence agents into Britain on the Channel dinghys.

https://youtu.be/vy03iD3Rh40?si=l3aH_d3H6Lg63rKV (GB News)

This could be stopped very easily with Police and Military intervention, therefore it must be assumed that the open border is Government policy and the Government is hostile to British interests
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July 26, 2026 9:02am
- Notsofast
  
  Compare and contrast with Donald Trump’s approach.
  
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  July 26, 2026 10:12am
- mogg
  
  The dinghies are getting bigger, 500 more illegals arriving yesterday.
  Burnhams newly appointed Solicitor General has in the past said that Britain should “negotiate with Hamas without any preconditions”. Corbyn may be long gone but there is still the stench of antisemitism from UK Labour Party and this government.
  
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  July 26, 2026 10:22am
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Regardless of her politics, it was a great performance from Chloe on Q&A this morning.

Tova, however, looked rather flustered.
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July 26, 2026 9:21am
- pdm
  
  Did Chloe convert you ima?
  
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  July 26, 2026 9:26am
  - imalwaysright
    
    I agree with her on the Data centres, but apart from that….conversion is very doubtful.
    
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    July 26, 2026 9:33am
    - CJames
      
      Data centres aren’t bad per se. They will use a lot of energy, but they wouldn’t exist unless someone was prepared to pay for the information and data processing capability they provide. If people don’t want them, stop using anything AI or things like One Drive. If you don’t want to do that, then accept their existence, and don’t be a Nimby.
      
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      July 26, 2026 10:34am
      - Bullion
        
        Yes, data centres aren’t bad per se BUT AI workloads are far more computationally heavy than running web servers and services. An Nvidia B200 gpu can consume 1200w, and there could be 100s of thousands of these in a data centre.
        
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        July 26, 2026 6:53pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Why? Who gives a fuck about data centres? This is a totally made up campaign, probably funded by our usual friends at the CCP to undermine the next industrial revolution – and secure technological advantage for themselves.
      
      Data centres draw less water than Dairy, require abundant reliable energy, and don’t have chemical run0ff into waterways.
      
      This means that they will support generation and grid development, because they need it. Downstream will be more reliable, inexpensive power for everyone – it is not a zero sum game.
      
      So what straw men are you most afraid of – will they steal our water or electricity? Steal jobs? Or will they quietly bolster key infrastructure – energy, connectivity, demand for skills, and not damage sensitive ecosystems?
      
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      July 26, 2026 10:43am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Why do you agree with her?
      
      The forecast is for enormous growth in data centres in just the next five years.
      
      https://www.jll.com/en-us/insights/market-outlook/data-center-outlook?utm_source=perplexity
      
      Or are you suggesting that they can grow elsewhere just not in New Zealand?
      
      The first solution is for the government to remove all barriers to constructing new electricity generation. The last solution is to stop the data centres.
      
      Back to Chloe, why doesn’t she argue to restrict EV sales because of the electricity demand? Converting just half of the fleet to EVs would consume way more power than a couple of data centres.
      
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      July 26, 2026 10:59am
      - imalwaysright
        
        I had my opinion on Data centres well before today.
        That someone shares my opinion doesn’t mean I share all of their opinions on other matters.
        
        They are a wasteful use of our infrastructure and, while the numbers might be in the billions of dollars to build them, it should be realised that most of that money goes to computer manufacturers overseas.
        
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        July 26, 2026 11:34am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        I’m sorry but the research on the benefits concludes, convincingly, the exact opposite of your opinion.
        
        https://technewzealand.org.nz/reports/empowering-aotearoa-new-zealands-digital-future-our-national-data-centre-infrastructure/
        
        Yes Chloe may be correct on something but I have never seen an example. Anything she prescribes should be a major red flag and an indication that the exact opposite is the best course of action.
        
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        July 26, 2026 12:02pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        “I’m sorry but the research on the …”
        
        No need to apologise, it wouldn’t be the first time that research contradicted my opinion.
        
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        July 26, 2026 12:12pm
      - CJames
        
        IAR
        The argument about datacentres being a wasteful use of infrastructure is not a good argument.
        People said similar things about converting the telecom system to fibre. Also the motorways. If you go back to the 20s, there was a major campaign to get a smaller power station at Arapuni because it would produce a lot more electricity than needed.
        The argument should be whether it is private capital or government money. And if it isn’t taxpayers paying, then the argument is a lot harder to make. If new power stations are built to generate the power for the centres at cost, that is even better. Having steady loads does a lot to stabilise the grid.
        
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        July 26, 2026 12:53pm
      - Taieri
        
        Reply to Benedict:
        
        One passage caught my eye:
        “Unlike conventional cooling methods that consume and evaporate large volumes
        of water, CDC’s system recirculates cooling water within its purpose-built facilities. This
        breakthrough design saves CDC more than 1 billion litres of water annually across its
        New Zealand sites, the equivalent to approximately 400 Olympic swimming pools”
        
        Recirculation of the cooling water is not a “breakthrough” or a new technology. It has been used in shipping for at least 80 years and even longer in automotive transport. This process still needs another cooling agent. In maritime settings it’s seawater, in road transport it’s air. No cooling agent is neutral, cooling systems need to be maintained, which means chemical treatment and significant energy wastage to enable its correct functioning.
        
        There’s plenty of such “breakthrough” drivel in the report you’ve linked. One could be excused for thinking that it was compiled by the Green Party of Aotearoa as the degree of hype is similar to their sorry productions.
        
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        July 26, 2026 2:31pm
      - keepcalmcarryon
        
        That’s a propaganda document for lobbying by vested interests Benedict, so much woolly wishful thinking by the authors the Data centers, tech and power companies.
        1000 full time jobs by 2030, not much for the power and water resources consumed, and they’re probably all security guards.
        Get these plants to build their own renewable power plants, put some back in to the grid and guarantee water quality and I might be convinced, I still wouldn’t want one next door, they cause massive noise pollution as well.
        
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        July 26, 2026 4:59pm
      - Bullion
        
        This one data centre would consume about 6% of NZ’s electricity. Half of the light vehicle fleet being electric would be about 10% (maybe less now as it was 2021 analysis from eeca that said 100% elecrtic light vehicle fleet would be 20% of NZ’s electricity).
        
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        July 26, 2026 6:59pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        B Y
        
        The link you posted is promotional material.
        It isn’t research.
        Maybe you should read the material instead of relying on its title.
        
        “Our research shines a light on the economic, environmental, and social impact of New Zealand’s fast-growing data centre sector, and the opportunities it unlocks for our tech ecosystem, economy, and communities.”
        
        Sounds impartial…..not.
        
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        July 26, 2026 8:16pm
    - BananaLlama
      
      I’m 50/50 on data centers.
      Not because of the insane waste resources but because they are used to scrape all information from the internet, public or private.
      If someone was rummaging through your rubbish to obtain bank account details or medical records you would call the police on them.
      Somehow big tech gets away with it.
      
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      July 26, 2026 11:52am
    - Ghost
      
      we should be looking towards what is happening in Australia. It would be smart for NZ to also implement policy that Data Centres are net power generators
      
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      July 26, 2026 12:24pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Correct.
        If they generate their own electricity then they are a good idea.
        
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        July 26, 2026 12:46pm
      - Jack5
        
        Ghost on Australia’s … Data Centres are net power generators …
        
        Not sure how that fits with the $2 billion data centre planned for Invercargill being linked to cables to Australia, so that NZ power will be crunching data for Australia.
        
        Australia iṡ requiring large data centres to become net power generators by developing power sources. How will the centre in Southland, NZ, fit that?
        
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        July 26, 2026 1:59pm
      - Taieri
        
        If they generate their own electricity then they are a good idea
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        The proposed data centre at Makarewa will have 78 diesel driven back up generators. Each of 2000kW capacity. That’s 156MW diesel power plant. A big one by any standards. Even with silencers the noise will be phenomenal if they all were ever to be running at the same time. Not mentioning the emissions of course…
        
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        July 26, 2026 2:37pm
      - Taieri
        
        Makarewa Data Centre emergency generators fuel requirements:
        
        Fuel consumption for typical high speed generator engine is about 240g/kW per hour. This translates to about 578 litres per engine per hour if running at 100% maximum continuous rated power (MCR). Usually, diesel generator engines are operated at about 80% of MCR, but with constant load they can be operated safely at about 95% of MCR. So if normal power supply was to fail and all generators were to be put on line the fuel consumption would be about 45000 litres of diesel per hour. Assuming 24 fuel reserve they would need at least 1 million litres fuel storage capacity. That’s about 10% of the total daily diesel consumption for the whole country.
        
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        July 26, 2026 4:57pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Hint; AI data centres don’t run on wind, solar and batteries. Those “technologies” are too flaky and expensive for AI data centres.
        
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        July 26, 2026 5:06pm
  - Prince
    
    Chloe objects strongly to…
    Oil and Gas exploration.
    Anything nuclear.
    Data Centers.
    
    There’s a theme there somewhere. Could she be our most Conservative politician ?
    
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    July 26, 2026 11:22am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      No but she is the most foolish. In a thought experiment, implementing all of the Green policies would be the end of New Zealand.
      
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      July 26, 2026 12:03pm
    - peterwn
      
      And G6 cellular (due 2030 or so) will be next on the list. Will be another thing that quacks can blame patients’ vague ailments on.
      
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      July 26, 2026 1:12pm
- R
  
  More like an ideological Sunday sermon, without any promise of a future life.
  
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  July 26, 2026 10:42am
Boy Geoff

Does TOP quietly drop policies from its website if it hears concerning feedback from potential voters?

That’s a contemporarily pragmatic political approach. I guess…
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July 26, 2026 9:30am
Paulus

Go back a while in Britain after the Second World War when so many people never returned to what was the established society as they knew it.
It was then w that immigration started originally from the Carribean Islands most of whom have become first class citizens, then the opening of the many different peoples to the extreme degree that we have there today.
Sadly it is far too late to engage the philosophy that seems now to pervade the envious greed Socialist UK.
Like New Zealand the now land of greed and envy so what is new ?
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July 26, 2026 9:31am
Damocles11

Are we rapidly moving to a post-work society where the State provides everything for citizens and the nation just borrows the money we need to survive? Is a UBI the next step on this path to this post-work future?
‘The National Party says it will overhaul New Zealand’s paid parental leave (PPL) scheme if re-elected, expanding entitlement to 30 weeks by 2029 and grant parents the flexibility to share paid time off.’

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/361011137/national-pledges-extend-paid-parental-leave-30-weeks
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July 26, 2026 10:31am
- Benedict Yu
  
  The sharper question is why extend paid parental leave? What, exactly, is the objective of extending the current generous provision to 30 weeks? Why not 12 months? Or 5 years?
  
  Is the policy designed to increase birth rates? Good luck with that. The highest birth rates in New Zealand are in lower income, lower educated mothers.
  
  There are much higher gains to be made by allocating new spending to areas with returns for more people. A good example is medicine. The gap between the funded medicines in New Zealand and Australia is going to become a gulf. It is an urgent public policy problem that needs the attention of a serious government.
  
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  July 26, 2026 11:10am
  - Damocles11
    
    Your suggestion on where the money should go instead will not fly because National clearly just wants to buy the votes of a select group. National are going ‘all in’ on targeting the ‘younger couples with children’ group, creating a new class of beneficiaries in the process. We are in the crazy situation where over 50% of households are taking more out from the system then they are putting in by way of taxes. Telling the truth about this earns the furious ire of the downtickers, but demonstrably every year our fiscal situation is getting worse.
    
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    July 26, 2026 11:19am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Indeed. If nothing changes in 30 years or less we will be the Argentina of the South Pacific. A country that could have been wealthy but threw it all away.
      
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      July 26, 2026 12:58pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        30 months if the Left get elected.
        
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        July 26, 2026 2:24pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        IAR, as a litmus indicator, right now many iconic Auckland bars and restaurants are going under. Verona on K’ Road Auckland being the latest casualty I’m aware of.
        
        And that’s with the centre right govt battling against the embedded far-left to get the ship on a sensible course.
        
        If the left get in as govt, I’d say central Auckland will be a no go zone within 2 years and the country will absolutely not worth living in with 5 years of them in charge.
        
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        July 26, 2026 5:15pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    I am going to make a crazy observation Benedict.
    Not everyone suffers from an inability to reproduce. There are in fact highly educated couples who manage just fine and will benefit greatly from those policies.
    
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    July 26, 2026 2:38pm
  - Taieri
    
    The highest birth rates in New Zealand are in lower income, lower educated mothers.
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    There’re unlikely to be many National voters in this particular demographic sector.
    
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    July 26, 2026 2:40pm
Damocles11

The rampant pork-barrel politics we are seeing in the run-up to this election…it’s truly astonishing considering our weak economy, persistent inflation, and the enormous deficits we continue to produce each year. The entire political class is uniformly reckless and irresponsible, with a decision across the board to simply shower various key voter groups with taxpayer & borrowed (mainly borrowed) money. Nothing is being done in the interests of this nation and its future health, instead a bunch of power-hungry troughers are selling our future down the river on their mad desire to get their hands on the levers of power.
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July 26, 2026 11:15am
- kowtow
  
  Didn’t a wise man once say ;
  
  ‘A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.’
  
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  July 26, 2026 12:10pm
kowtow

Terror attack on the “pride ” parade Berlin .
Guess who .

“Gay” cruise denied entry to two large Mediterranean countries .

Guess where.
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July 26, 2026 1:42pm
- An Old Kiwi
  
  But it can’t be them. (Arent they the religion of “peace”?) Or maybe they couldn’t find a nearby tall building. /s
  
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  July 26, 2026 2:23pm
Jack5

Nash and Finlayson

Stuart Nash has taken a political battering over comments he made about a pregnant MP in an email to former National MP Chris Finlayson.

Columnist Damien Grant in his Stuff column says he hopes Nash remains in public life and says this of Nash:

” … a serious individual with unfinished business and the weight of legacy that would have made him an excellent cabinet minister and, potentially, future party leader. I hope he remains involved in public life.”

Grant also questions Finlayson’s etiquette in releasing the email from Nash.

What was an NZ First candidate doing emailing Finlayson, a former Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations Minister and Attorney-General?

Can a lawyer Kiwiblogger tell us whether there’s an equivalent general phrase to the one used in commercial dispute negotiations: “without prejudice”. As a layman, I understand this prevents the message it is attached to from being used as legal evidence in the dispute.

Can you put words on an email to a person that restrict that person from sending the email content to a third party?

Is copyright involved?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/361010630/new-zealand-first-important-it-not-yet-serious
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July 26, 2026 1:51pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  I detest Finlayson, but Nash’s track record says it was just a matter of time before he screwed up again.
  
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  July 26, 2026 2:47pm
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    Both of them are awful people for different reasons, Doesn’t say much for Grants judgement. He does write for Stuff after all.
    
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    July 26, 2026 5:03pm
- Ghost
  
  Only person responsible for Nash’s downfall is Nash.
  
  A future leader, cabinet…. Nash was crap last time he was in government. hopefully this is the last time we hear of him in politics.
  
  Nash got pissy over a comment Finlayson made about the MP, so he late night texted him, not email. In a conversation on a following podcast they were talking about Nash, Finlayson read out the text and said he had talked to the MP to fact check it and then gave her response. Nothing wrong with that. Nash is responsible for his action, he apologised for what he said
  
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  July 26, 2026 2:57pm
Sir Henry Morgan

A story for those who think women are either physically incapable of rape or simply don’t rape.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/20/woman-teacher-had-sex-with-pupil-after-tying-him-to-bed/

Similar stories come up all the time. The word rape is rarely used. Instead the behavior will be described as “had sex with”, “had affair with” or even “had romp with”.
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July 26, 2026 2:34pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  My understanding is that the UK legal definition of rape requires penile penetration and therefore women can’t be charged with rape, it’s sexual assault or a similar crime. Hence they can’t report it as rape in the newspaper
  
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  July 26, 2026 3:36pm
  - Sir Henry Morgan
    
    Regardless of specific charges, media can still report as it as sexual assault, or use other language that alludes to rape.
    
    Of course, legal definitions are one aspect of the double standards. I think New Zealand used to use the same legal definition. Certainly was still the case in the 1990s, but may have since been updated.
    
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    July 26, 2026 6:03pm
    - Ghost
      
      NZ updated it in 2005
      
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      July 26, 2026 8:20pm
  - Charlotte Wells
    
    You are correct, female cannot rape male.
    
    However they get around it with other legislation.
    
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    July 26, 2026 8:11pm
rouppe

Ah, the Greens election manifesto has been announced.

Change up the ETS to cripple business and agriculture.

Provide “targeted subsidies for e-cargo bikes”. Why would you need that unless you’re going to send the country back to the pre-industrial age?

“A new “Commissioner for Animals” and an independent ministry”. Implementing Animal Farm.

“Pull New Zealand out of the Five Eyes alliance and never join the Aukus agreement.” Leaving us exposed to influence from other players.

Urgh…
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July 26, 2026 4:06pm
MCōs

You can bicker about this and complain about that, but everyone loves, or should love the sight and sound of a steam engine
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbA1pHSsHqv/?igsh=bG91cWRqaWgwZjQy
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July 26, 2026 4:23pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  I love the smell of coal in the morning. Smells like victory (over dumb lefty ideology).
  
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  July 26, 2026 5:17pm
Sir Henry Morgan

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/whangarei-bar-attacker-militini-vaotogo-jailed-after-two-violent-assaults-on-patrons/IUB5KO67XFFXPKB5WVRH5TKZJ4/

Why do we have to fund a police force that actively ignores violent crime?

True story. . . A relative was attacked by a Tongan MMA fighter and gym owner, a premeditated attack where the Tongan (gym owner in an apartment complex) lured his victim into the gym late at night by blasting out loud music – context is a 24 hour gym accessible via swipe card to building residents and members, with my relative’s apartment being right above the gym. He then attacks my relative. It’s a somewhat controlled attack in that he wore boxing gloves, and was aiming to “teach a lesson” rather than seriously injure. Anyway, police sat on the incident for months and eventually persuaded my relative to drop his complaint on the basis that it was the Tongan guy’s “culture” to behave this way.

We live in a racist and sexist two-tier justice system. Notable in the newspaper story above is that charges were only laid in relation to the (presumably) more minor assault on the females. No charges were laid in relation to the assault with a beer jug on a male – an assault that could quite easily have proved fatal.
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July 26, 2026 7:01pm
Swifty

Good old Thibenzole!

https://www.facebook.com/share/1bqqEZuYyN
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