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David George

I see another Muslim has ploughed his car into a crowd in Europe, gays and queers this time.
Here in NZ the Muslims are demanding a blasphemy law, that their beliefs are to be put above and beyond question. This comes at a time when there is, finally, some recognition that there is something seriously wrong with the entire ideology. At a time when we need our eyes fully open.

“Civilizations have always encountered rivals. The mistake of the West is that it encountered Islam while armed with a conceptual vocabulary that rendered the rival invisible as a political actor. Correcting that vocabulary is not optional. It is the precondition for any policy that has a chance of preserving the nation-state order the West developed at such cost and that Islam regards as temporary and illegitimate”.

https://www.danburmawi.com/p/the-wests-deadliest-misdiagnosis
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July 27, 2026 8:03am
- mike
  
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  So, ‘the Muslims’, huh? What about ‘the Christians’?
  
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  July 27, 2026 8:10am
  - Damocles11
    
    The ‘love thy neighbour’ people? What about them? Are they wanting to throw homosexuals off of tall building?
    
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    July 27, 2026 8:19am
  - burt
    
    Make as many Christian jokes as you like, draw weird pictures depicting Christ or God in absurd ways and that’s also fine. Makes jokes about Christians around Christians – have at it.
    
    Would you try doing any of that with Mohammed or Allah around Muslims?
    
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    July 27, 2026 8:20am
    - David Garrett
      
      Burt: Couldn’t have put it better myself…and of course Mikey is just trolling..as he does
      
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      July 27, 2026 8:39am
      - mike
        
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        Trolling…is…a…bad…thing?
        
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        July 27, 2026 8:42am
      - keepcalmcarryon
        
        Words can harm mike, now who said that?
        
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        July 27, 2026 10:10am
    - mike
      
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      Poor burt…
      
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      July 27, 2026 8:41am
      - Gravelroad
        
        You haven’t attempted to answer Burt’s question.
        Too challenging.
        Poor Mike.
        
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        July 27, 2026 8:53am
      - Quail
        
        DG,
        And yet , a former NZ prime minister claimed “ they are us”.
        They are not!
        And like others in this country, we all should have to abide by the same NZ laws!
        No special treatment.for anyone.
        
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        July 27, 2026 9:04am
    - kowtow
      
      I could be wrong but hasn’t “mike” slagged off folk here for ‘whataboutisms” and yet here is the classic all time “whataboutism”.
      
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      July 27, 2026 8:46am
    - mike
      
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      But the two fictional characters make the point better than I can:
      https://www.jesusandmo.net/comic/good/
      
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      July 27, 2026 8:57am
      - David George
        
        Power has never feared the sword as much as it fears the joke. An assassin can kill a king, but the king dies a king, a martyr, even. A satirist makes the king ordinary. He drags the throne down to eye level, where everyone can see that the man sitting on it sweats, lies, lusts, and fears like everyone else. Armies can be defeated and replaced. Awe, once punctured, never fully reinflates.
        
        This is why every despotism in history has criminalized laughter. Ridicule is a solvent. It dissolves the invisible substance that authoritarian power is actually made of, not tanks, not treasuries, but sanctity.
        https://www.danburmawi.com/p/how-to-save-the-west-from-islam
        
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        July 27, 2026 9:56am
      - imalwaysright
        
        David George
        
        Good post, political satire is essential to a healthy democracy.
        
        The Ardern Regime made sure that comedians, like the media, were financially beholden to her through NZonAir etc, and even through the PIJF where cartoonists work that exposed the Regime was rejected by editors.
        
        Funnily enough, the satirists and comedians still seem reluctant to practise their craft…
        
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        July 27, 2026 10:13am
    - R
      
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      .’around Muslims’, Mike go try that in a Muslim country, see how long you survive.
      
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      July 27, 2026 9:19am
  - Northshoredoc
    
    Which christian terror incidents are you worried about?
    
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    July 27, 2026 8:28am
    - mike
      
      I’m not worried about any terror incidents.
      
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      July 27, 2026 10:06am
      - David George
        
        “You might like to think that if the rape gang (sexual conquest gang) scandal had come to your attention you certainly would not have denied what was happening, or remained silent.
        
        Stop. Dare to really ask yourself (instead of just assuming your virtue):
        
        You would’ve put your career on the line?
        You would’ve put your family on the firing line?
        You would’ve accepted being labelled a Nazi? And the death threats?
        
        When in your whole life have you ever done something that brave?
        
        Do you understand that you would have to reconfigure your entire understanding of what it means to be human to plumb the depths of that abysmal crime?
        
        Do you have any idea how traumatizing it is to admit to the reality of true malevolence—of genuine evil?
        
        You’re really sure you have that in you?”
        https://x.com/jordanbpeterson/status/2081409206792655027
        
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        July 27, 2026 11:48am
  - Jethrod
    
    Read the TEN Commandments, and take your lead from them.
    I may not have attended church for decades, but it is still a way of life to follow.
    
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    July 27, 2026 8:37am
    - mike
      
      Which ten commandments -Exodus 20:2-17, Deuteronomy 5:6-21 or Exodus 34:12-26?
      
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      July 27, 2026 10:04am
      - Jethrod
        
        Oh, you seem well informed about them , so why won’t you follow at least one of the versions?
        
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        July 27, 2026 10:20am
      - keepcalmcarryon
        
        Wisdom has long been chasing mike, but he has been faster.
        
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        July 27, 2026 10:39am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Well done, Mike, in challenging the ranting? ravings? of some here.
        
        I am a contrarian by nature and like to hear/read alternative points of view. No matter how radical or weird they may appear.
        
        Luckily, I believe I have a mature brain, which I trust to filter the dross in an attempt to understand better.
        
        Of course I now expect the ad hominems from commenters who are not great thinkers.
        
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        July 27, 2026 3:42pm
    - Spoff
      
      “Read the TEN Commandments, and take your lead from them. I may not have attended church for decades, but it is still a way of life to follow.”
      Good. So I can keep my slaves?
      
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      July 27, 2026 12:23pm
  - Swifty
    
    Well, the Prez of FIANZ is demanding it – and he apparently speaks for all the Islamic associations which make up the federation and I see no other purporting to speak for NZ Muslims on this scale.
    
    It’s a bit like the Iwi Chairs – do you deny them speaking for Maori?
    
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    July 27, 2026 8:43am
    - mike
      
      I don’t think anyone speaks for all NZ Muslims, or all Māori. Do you think the PM speaks for all NZers?
      
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      July 27, 2026 10:01am
      - leoj
        
        Actually, the current PM does not speak for all NZers.
        
        However, he does go along with all the maori crap which is quickly fucking the country.
        
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        July 27, 2026 10:25am
      - Jethrod
        
        At the present moment he is the PM, so therefore has some rights and responsibilities.
        
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        July 27, 2026 10:52am
  - virtualmark
    
    Mike, sure, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition … but the Christian church has moved on from those times. Islam not so much.
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:12am
    - keepcalmcarryon
      
      The New Testament shut the door on the old and brought Christianity in to the(then woke?) new age 2000 years ago, turning away from sacrifices and barbarity for the turning of cheeks and loving of fellow men and doing unto others.
      Courtesy of JC whether or not you believe in him he had some great principles.
      Islam has never had this reinvention and retains the Old Testament abrahamic styles.
      
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      July 27, 2026 4:35pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    When a crazy Christian bombs an abortion clinic, we’ll count on you to pipe up and say “But what about the Muslims?” RIGHT?
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:37am
- Paulus
  
  Why is whenever I read or hear about a tragedy perpetrated by a Muslim, such as in Germany by a Lebanese, that I think what would happen if I doubted my mental sanity and ability which what we appear to be seeing all then time from these younger Muslims
  Are they just hereditorially inbred and mad ?
  The current TV programme on the London bombings represents a good and broad spectrum of the cases.
  
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  July 27, 2026 9:17am
  - cmm (semi-retired edition)
    
    ” Are they just hereditorially inbred and mad ?”
    Not necessarily.
    If you’ve had poison dripped in your ear since birth and are surrounded by people telling you that the west is evil etc etc, then it is only right to then step up and do your bit.
    Especially if Allah promises you 72 sexual playthings in the afterlife as a bonus.
    
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    July 27, 2026 9:32am
    - Inandout
      
      cmm, it is the 5 times daily prayer facing Mecca that gets me. Add to this mantra the fear of pork, gays and dogs, then further adding in the dictum that women in mosques should be screened and not heard; a rather weird cult.
      
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      July 27, 2026 9:58am
      - Taieri
        
        urther adding in the dictum that women in mosques should be screened and not heard
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        Not always. Islamic teachings do not require separation of men from women during prayers although practices vary. They mainly depend on cultural factors and local customs.
        Strict separation of sexes is required in the orthodox Judaism. This is to prevent distractions during prayers.
        In the past, in some Roman Catholic countries it was customary for men and women to be seated on two sides of the church, women on the left and men on the right facing the main altar.
        
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        July 27, 2026 1:40pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Yes,
      
      Indoctrination, especially the indoctrination of an entire society, is easy and effective.
      
      Look back at the Ardern covid Regime, and look today at the remaining infrastructure of her regime such as the education system and the Public Service, and it is clear that the majority of NZers were indoctrinated very rapidly and they didn’t even blink.
      
      The Muslims have had it their whole life, at least we have some memory of the way we used to be.
      
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      July 27, 2026 10:43am
    - Spoff
      
      “The Quran talks about paradise, or Jannah, in several verses. It’s described as a place of eternal peace, gardens beneath which rivers flow, unimaginable comfort, companionship, and closeness to God. But nowhere in the Quran does it mention “72 virgins” or any specific number of companions.”
      https://www.pulse.ng/story/72-virgins-in-heaven-2025071614103653931
      
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      July 27, 2026 10:49am
      - cmm (semi-retired edition)
        
        You are partially correct. The Quoran does not mention 72 virgins. That is why I said 72 sexual playthings – not the incorrect 72 virgins.
        
        The quoran says 70 women from conquered people (ie. women taken by battle/invasion) to be raped and used as slaves and 2 “doe eyed maidens” or such (ie. only 2 virgins).
        
        All of these are your sexual play things.
        
        Remember that women are chattels, so raping/assaulting a woman is not considered a violent act against the woman. Instead it is mainly an act of humiliation against the men who are supposed to be her protector (eg. brother, father, husband).
        
        One of those grope attacks in a train is to show how weak the men are.
        
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        July 27, 2026 12:15pm
      - Spoff
        
        “The quoran says 70 women from conquered people”
        You are paraphrasing a Hadith which is equivalent to quoting the Scofield Bible annotations as Gospel. Let it go. That argument is over.
        
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        July 27, 2026 12:19pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      cmm. Just a small correction.
      Allah, the Koran does not promise 72 Virgins(your sexual playthings interpretation is interesting)
      
      A litle bit of research shows that the Koran uses
      ḥūr al-ʿayni
      In Islamic tradition and Quranic exegesis, the term refers to the celestial companions or beings of Paradise
      
      Needless to say the 72 virgins is thrown around in an attempt to discret some actions of some muslims.
      
      But hey, the world is full of erroneous propaganda.
      
      My comment will NOT change any user of the 72 virgins myth of repeatedly spouting it in the future.
      
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      July 27, 2026 3:51pm
  - David George
    
    Jihad is not an aberration – it’s a moral requirement and has been since the whole thing was invented by it’s warlord “prophet”.
    
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    July 27, 2026 9:49am
  - Spoff
    
    “Are they just hereditorially inbred and mad ?”
    1. Ancient times:
    “However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.
    Deuteronomy 20.16,17
    2. The Crusaders:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Jerusalem_(1099)
    Contrast and compare:
    “What happened next would cement Saladin‘s reputation as a merciful and chivalrous leader. Unlike the Crusaders, who had brutally massacred Jerusalem‘s Muslim and Jewish inhabitants when they captured the city in 1099, Saladin showed remarkable restraint and compassion. He allowed the city‘s Christian residents to leave in peace, provided they paid a modest ransom. Those who could not afford the ransom were allowed to leave empty-handed. Saladin even pardoned King Guy and returned one of Christendom‘s most precious relics, a piece of the True Cross that had been captured at Hattin. – Lyons and Jackson, Saladin, 264-267.
    3. Christian Phalangists:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
    4. Anders Behring Breivik.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik
    5. Brenton Tarrant.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christchurch_mosque_shootings
    …..and so on…
    Mass killers:
    “Key Statistics
    Religious Affiliation Percentage of Mass Killers
    Atheist/Agnostic 84%
    Christian 6%
    Other Religions 10%”
    – AI
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:45am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Wikipedia. – say no more.
      
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      July 27, 2026 12:24pm
      - Spoff
        
        You shouldn’t have Don.
        
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        July 27, 2026 2:57pm
    - Graeme Hall
      
      Saladin was Serbian and of European descent not Arabic. Many formidable fighters on the Arab’s side were of European descent bred them off European captives and indoctrinated from birth – Mamluks.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk
      
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      July 27, 2026 2:16pm
      - Northshoredoc
        
        I think you have your facts wrong, Saladin was not serbian – most likely he was kurdish or at least from that area.
        
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        July 27, 2026 4:02pm
      - Graeme Hall
        
        Sorry Doc. Other sources support you. I recalled it from a talk by Prof Victor Davis Hanson, the Stanford Hoover Institute Historian discussing the Crusades but must have been mistaken.
        
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        July 27, 2026 4:29pm
      - keepcalmcarryon
        
        He was Tuhoe according to a new study accepting any unwritten made up story as established fact : he reclaimed the holy land after circumnavigating Antarctica and discovering trench warfare.
        
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        July 27, 2026 6:22pm
- Yvette
  
  In his manifesto, Christchurch mosques terrorist gunman Tarrant explicitly addressed Islamophobia, asserting that he did not view the Muslim faith itself as the central issue, instead characterizing Muslims as “invaders” due to demographic numbers, immigration, and fertility rates rather than theological beliefs. The shooter directly named his manifesto after French conspiracy theorist Renaud Camus’s The Great Replacement, where the core theory relies on demographic substitution.
  
  Researchers studying the document note that the shooter fused religious and racial identities, viewing Islam less as a religious practice and more as an ethnic / demographic threat competing for geographic territory and population dominance, but disqualifying New Zealand as a venue reflecting these most heinous atrocities. – AI
  ________________
  
  From the article David George links to –
  Higher fertility combined with continued migration and chain migration functions as a state-expansion strategy, hijra [religiously sanctioned migration to spread the faith and increase numbers] updated for the age of passports and welfare systems.
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  So what is Shane Jones talking about?
  Shane Jones says his parliamentary colleagues have told him to tone down his language but says he gets “cut-through on debates by deploying hyperbole” like calling Indians coming to New Zealand a “butter chicken tsunami”.
  
  He may get “cut-through” but still what is Jones actually saying?
  
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  July 27, 2026 9:33am
  - Philview
    
    Tarrant is a nutter so not sure his manifesto should be quoted in intellectual debate.
    
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    July 27, 2026 9:47am
    - mike
      
      This is an intellectual debate?
      
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      July 27, 2026 10:08am
      - rjay
        
        Sometimes you are genuinely funny Mike
        
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        July 27, 2026 10:26am
      - Jethrod
        
        Maybe not from you?
        
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        July 27, 2026 10:53am
    - Yvette
      
      Philview, Tarrant’s manifesto is not being quoted. To do so is a crime in New Zealand.
      
      David George, in starting this thread above, says “Here in NZ the Muslims are demanding a blasphemy law, that their beliefs are to be put above and beyond question.” Although New Zealand Muslims may argue their case is more protection than promotion.
      
      As Tarrant’ heinous actions are conflated with Islamophobia, it should be of interest whether, although utterly warped in Tarrant’s mind, are his atrocities perceived as a threatening theocracy replacing Western life, or a fertile community replacing Western life?
      
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      July 27, 2026 12:11pm
  - Inandout
    
    Yvette, when Jacinda made it an offence to quote from Tarrant’s ‘manifesto’ it appears AI has trumped this rather strange proclamation.
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:02am
  - imalwaysright
    
    “He may get “cut-through” but still what is Jones actually saying?”
    
    Jones is using what D George posted about. Satire.
    
    That’s the effectiveness of satire….the cut through.
    
    Jones could have used diplomatic bureaucrat speak and probably a dozen people would have got his point.
    
    But, by taking the piss and being slightly irreverant he has succeeded in making his point and getting us still discussing it months later.
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:53am
  - Nūhaka Native
    
    The Christchurch shooter is mad. Also obsessed with “Eastern Europe’s far-right and a cherry-picked reading of history”.
    
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-10/christchurch-shooting-far-right-groups-in-ukraine-eastern-europe/10983542
    
    Shane Jones is arguing for a rational immigration policy.
    
    It is interesting to compare Finland’s immigration and population rise with our own.
    
    Two liberal social democratic countries with similar sized populations.
    
    In the last 20 years, New Zealand’s population of about 4 million in 2000 increased by about 1.2 million. About 800,000 – 900,000 was from immigration.
    
    Finland’s population of about 5.2 million increased by about 300,000. About 200,000 of that was from immigration.
    
    We do need immigrants. My forbears migrated here. Some about 1200-1300 AD. Some about 1830, the rest about 1900.
    
    But such a rapid rise has obviously put pressure on infrastructure, services, housing, schools, Hospitals, GPs etc in New Zealand.
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:54am
    - Graeme Hall
      
      “..a cherry-picked reading of history”
      
      This is the sort of criticism that could be applied to any historical study one disagrees with.
      
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      July 27, 2026 2:20pm
      - Nūhaka Native
        
        Fair point. I actually should not have used that quote as it’s not the main point I was trying to make.
        
        There is an obsession with the Ottoman invasion of Greece, the Balkans and Eastern Europe by real far right groups.
        
        Though this is actually true, after all Eastern Europe is where the expansion of the Ottoman Empire was eventually stopped when the siege of Vienna was broken by Sobieski of Poland and his winged Hussars in 1683. Plus quite a lot of history before and after, of course.
        
        It is also true that there is a real far right in Eastern Europe, but it’s not the AFD or Viktor Orban.
        
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        July 27, 2026 6:31pm
- cmm (semi-retired edition)
  
  The worst of it is that the suicidal empathy of the west would rather ban the gays than deal to the Muslim problem.
  
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  July 27, 2026 9:38am
  - Taieri
    
    the west would rather ban the gays
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    Just as a little remainder…not that long ago gays were “banned” in our little paradise.
    
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    July 27, 2026 12:39pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Taieri: No…homosexuals were never :”banned” but hitting up potential partner in toilets and sodomy were both crimes
      
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      July 27, 2026 1:54pm
      - Ghost
        
        It was decriminalized in 1986
        
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        July 27, 2026 2:00pm
      - Taieri
        
        Hence quotation marks around “banned”.
        
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        July 27, 2026 2:52pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Maybe the Muslims in NZ who are asking for extra consideration should relocate to a country that already provides for their needs.
  
  NZ gives everyone the right to leave NZ.
  
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  July 27, 2026 9:48am
- Bullion
  
  I hope christians can show their rejection of such religious prejudice by supporting the rights of the L, the G, the B, especially the T, the Q, the I, and the +.
  
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  July 27, 2026 10:17am
- herb1
  
  Whenever the all to regular Islamic terrorist atrocity occurs, there’s the regular “ but Christian’s” . As I’ve said before Christian’s do bad things “ in spite” of their religion, Muslims do bad things” because “ of their religion. Too many people seem unable to understand this
  
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  July 27, 2026 12:00pm
  - mike
    
    Because it’s not true.
    
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    July 27, 2026 2:29pm
Cassandra

Hard nosed National Party sorts out the deficit: “NZ is spending more than it earns and the cause is that we don’t give parents enough paid time off” said PM Luxon //.

I know this was raised yesterday but it got very little attention then, being Sunday afternoon and DG was still at church.

It does seem to me to be a low priority but presumably it’s designed to appeal to a sector of voters ie an election bribe.

Another sector is graduates with Arts degrees. For ages there’s been a declining market for Art History or PR majors. Now none of them can find jobs. Perhaps they need a bribe? How about a three year spell in the infantry?
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July 27, 2026 8:04am
- Sensible moderate views
  
  They have become completely incoherent. I don’t think even they know what they stand for anymore, except not Labour.
  
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  July 27, 2026 8:20am
  - RoboRob
    
    This is what I have been saying about Luxon and National for some time, what are their beliefs / principles. It is now clear the current leadership has none except for getting into power.
    
    Contrast the current position on parental leave with that of the previous National party who fought against Labour expanding the length of parental leave.
    
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    July 27, 2026 9:51am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    National stands for getting more votes than the opposition.
    
    The way they do that is to buy votes with excessive spending, reduce taxes even when it means they can’t afford to pay for that spending, and run up debt that will be a big problem in the future but not until they are retired from politics and it is someone else’s problem.
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:01am
    - keepcalmcarryon
      
      And co governance.
      
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      July 27, 2026 1:25pm
- Damocles11
  
  National wants to push the paid parental leave out to 30 weeks, and eventually to 40 weeks. And the Left will want at least that and more. As Bernard said yesterday, why not 52 weeks, or 5 years? Might as well, since we are spending like we are running huge surpluses, not huge deficits. It is truly bizarre.
  The MSM and economists won’t say a word about our worsening fiscal situation of course. Massive government spending is exactly what they want.
  Government is broken. Most of the politicians are now committed to high borrowing / high spending / high levels of creeping socialistic freebies for key voter groups. The Left wing parties are itching to implement new taxes in the ‘rich’ and elderly asset owners. ACT is probably the one party in favour of fiscal responsibility, but is powerless to rein in spending when National, Labour, Greens, NZ First, TPM, and TOP are all addicted to the big spending and State giveaways.
  
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  July 27, 2026 8:31am
  - ISeeRed
    
    I’d be “happy” with this policy if it only applied to people who are married. Supporting the production and raising of children outside marriage is one of the West’s worst policies ever created.
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Another sector is graduates with Arts degrees. For ages there’s been a declining market for Art History or PR majors. Now none of them can find jobs.
  
  I do recommend weeding…. there’s no shortage of jobs for folks who aren’t afraid to get a bit of dirt under their nails.
  
  He’s started to apply for jobs that are completely unrelated to his degree, everything from supermarket work to weeding gardens.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/education/805079/there-isn-t-anything-students-facing-tough-job-market
  
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  July 27, 2026 8:35am
  - David Garrett
    
    Mags : Quite so…before my current gig in Tonga came up I did everything from a bit of law to operating a digger…even a bit of laboring…I’m a bit past that now…
    
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    July 27, 2026 8:43am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      My first full-time job was gardening (mainly weeding) for 1 year…and 50 years later, I’m still at it (now unpaid).
      I always knew that if my brilliant career turned to custard, I could find work as a gardener.
      
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      July 27, 2026 8:57am
      - lifesgood
        
        Gardening is a great job. You just get on with it, nobody bothers you, you can listen to music or just think and no office politics. I do it part time as a volunteer and really enjoy it. It is nothing like my past career.
        
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        July 27, 2026 10:29am
  - Gravelroad
    
    And window cleaning.
    A few builders, mechanics and plumbers around here are too busy to clean their home windows.
    I know of one who recently paid a young guy $160 for this 90 minute job.
    Not very artistic perhaps, but clean.
    
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    July 27, 2026 9:15am
  - R
    
    Could also have chosen a more employable career option for his studies
    
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    July 27, 2026 9:23am
- imalwaysright
  
  “NZ is spending more than it earns and the cause is that we don’t give parents enough paid time off.”
  
  NZ is spending more than it earns and the cause is that we give the nephews and neices on the couch too much paid time off.
  
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  July 27, 2026 8:50am
  - Damocles11
    
    If we remove the scapegoating element & instead ponder the fact that 50% of NZ households are ‘taking more’ than they are ‘putting in’, then we will get closer to the truth about why we are in a fiscal mess. “I’ve worked hard and paid taxes so should be entitled to loot the system” is a mentality that has us well on the way to national penury. This is country where multi-millionaires receive Winter Energy Payments. It cannot continue like this.
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:35am
    - Graeme Hall
      
      Don’t the multi-millionaires taxes provide much of the where-with-all to help pay for the Winter Energy Payment? It seems a bit churlish not to give their household a taste.
      
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      July 27, 2026 2:25pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    The cuzzy-bros, especially. They wuz robbed.
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:39am
  - Cassandra
    
    ima: for clarity my quote was //. I totally agree with you. The nephs thing has been with us for donkeys. Nobody has a solution. Well, I do – among our fellow KB folk there are lots of ideas. Time limits appeals. But then what? Starvation?
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:43am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Missed the sarc!
      
      I think we would (hopefully) be pleasantly surprised at the resourcefulness of the unemployed facing zero income.
      
      Realistically we should have a reducing cap on benefit time limits to allow “acclimatisation”, and proportionally increase the qualification requirement for the dole.
      
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      July 27, 2026 11:21am
    - artemisia
      
      Cassandra – the problem definition comes before the solution/s. Has anyone formally conducted root cause analysis? It’s a well established methodology.
      
      If RCA or other formal analysis is not conducted any solutions are going to be political, ideological, ‘neat, plausible, wrong’, or ‘we just know the solution is somewhere over there, so just do it’.
      
      One part of the ‘neph’ problem is some don’t know how to work – turn up and follow instructions – for example.
      
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      July 27, 2026 1:39pm
      - OlderChas
        
        Let alone turn up, and READ instructions and rules.
        
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        July 27, 2026 6:16pm
- RoboRob
  
  Came to post about this. We all know and mostly disrespect the Labour party for bribing us with our money purely for votes. Then National come out and do exactly the same thing. We have no money. Willis and Luxon chose not to cut expenses and instead borrowed even more then Labour. Now we have National chasing votes and offering to spend even more of our money.
  
  National do not deserve the vote of any New Zealander who believes in fiscal responsibility. DPF and other National supporters here need to call National out on this crap. This is blatant vote buying and is disgusting. The really sad thing is it wont work at all either. The people who would be bought by this will vote Labour anyway, especially once Labour one up the Nats by doing something like promising to increase the payments as well as the time of paid parental leave.
  
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  July 27, 2026 8:59am
  - Paulus
    
    It’s the Wimmins votes that count remember, more so than ever !
    Will they swallow this – I doubt it.
    
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    July 27, 2026 9:20am
  - R
    
    Robo, you must surely be aware of the spendthrift policies and bribes of the Clark government, followed by the mindless waste of BORROWED money by the Ardern govt which a majority seemed to support. The interest, still has to be paid on that unproductive borrowing . Hence the need for further borrowing, at the expense of productive investment.
    It’s called CONSEQUENCES of irresponsible thoughtless VOTING in the past.
    
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    July 27, 2026 9:29am
    - RoboRob
      
      R, it is people like you I refer to above. Yes, Clark bribed her way into power. I well remember her interest free student loan policy for example. I constantly harp on about how bad that is for NZ.
      
      However I also complain that the right doesn’t have the balls to fix it.
      
      How can you complain about Labours election bribes without admitting that National are doing exactly the same here? If we don’t like them for doing it why do we think its ok when our team does it?
      
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      July 27, 2026 9:55am
      - ISeeRed
        
        We are ruled by the Uniparty. National? Labour? A distinction without a difference. Both support rampant welfarism, infinity immigration, bro-governance and Maori uber alles, Net Zero zealotry. Just WTF is the point anymore.
        
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        July 27, 2026 10:32am
      - pdm
        
        RR – especially the National component of what is considered to be the Right
        
        NZFirst of course do expect their ‘slush funds’ to continue with minimum accountability or checks and balances.
        
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        July 27, 2026 11:00am
  - Sacha
    
    “National do not deserve the vote of any New Zealander who believes in fiscal responsibility.”
    Are you suggesting that the other Political Parties do?
    Considering that a significant amount of the country’s wealth is diverted to pay interest on the previous Labour government’s excessive borrowing I cannot agree with you.
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:25am
    - RoboRob
      
      There is ONE party that doesn’t believe in excessive spending and borrowing. I say to the people who vote National (instead of Labour) because of their fiscal responsibility, you need to look elsewhere. I am not saying vote Labour as you imply, however at this point there is almost no difference.
      
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      July 27, 2026 12:00pm
  - Damocles11
    
    If politicians on the centre-right fronted up and told hard truths about our fiscal position then maybe they could get through to the electorate just how dire things are & that freebies should be the last thing they can expect. But when you are claiming to be fiscally responsible, to have slashed wasteful spending, and to be on a path to surplus then you have rather painted yourself into a corner.
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:40am
  - wsk12345
    
    Hopefully their coalition partners will make NOT implementing this wasteful spend as part of the coalition agreement
    
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    July 27, 2026 1:17pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Sadly Winston is all over this too. NZF isn’t a party focused on fiscal responsibility, they are more about conserving (conservative!) the culture of NZ.
      
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      July 27, 2026 3:42pm
  - Bloody Dago
    
    If we didn’t borrow, there would be tumble weed rolling down quite a few semi-rural towns in NZ
    
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    July 27, 2026 4:43pm
  - Isobar
    
    They have not just started do it. Just look at the ‘Roads of National significance’. Possibly the biggest bribe of all the bribes. All of which in 2023 were well under costed and even now they wont be straight with the public and admit the country cannot afford nor will ever build almost all of them.
    
    The lack of honestly is a good part in why they are not polling well at all. I think the public are over the lies from both main parties.
    
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    July 27, 2026 4:51pm
- artemisia
  
  Do have to wonder why some folk pursue a degree without considering job prospects later. But maybe they did, and are not bovvered. Sufficient unto the day…. and there is always the bene and the sofa to fall back on.
  
  The problem with the sofa is that it is easy to become unemployable. Why would an employer hire them if they have better options?
  
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  July 27, 2026 9:11am
  - RoboRob
    
    It wasn’t too long ago when any degree helped you get a job. Applying for a job with a degree showed a reasonable amount of academic skill and more importantly, motivation and the ability to stick with something.
    
    It is only relatively recently, now everyone has a degree, that this is no longer important and what you studied is.
    
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    July 27, 2026 9:57am
    - imalwaysright
      
      Degrees used to be earned, nowadays they are purchased.
      
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      July 27, 2026 10:21am
      - David Garrett
        
        Imalways: I can assure you my daughter is most definitely earning her law degree
        
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        July 27, 2026 2:00pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        DG
        Good for her, there will always be exceptions, but if you have tried having an intelligent conversation with anyone who has been ‘awarded’ a degree within the last 25 years, you will be lucky to have not regretted it.
        
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        July 27, 2026 2:57pm
    - leoj
      
      Except in the field of medicine, degrees and university are overrated.
      
      Professors are largely leftists who have never run a business or made payroll. They do not live in the real world.
      
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      July 27, 2026 10:29am
      - Taieri
        
        Professors are largely leftists who have never run a business or made payroll
        ————-
        
        Just as well. It’s not a professor’s job to run a business. His/her job is to expand and promulgate knowledge.
        Not all of them do their jobs well, but that’s another story – perhaps there’re too many of them…
        
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        July 27, 2026 12:37pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Engineering?
        
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        July 27, 2026 3:04pm
    - rjay
      
      Exactly. There is degree inflation. We hear that students are leaving 13 years of school barely numerate and literate and yet a “foundation course” over 12 weeks gets them up to tertiary standard and they are off on their degree. Either we should replace school teachers with these genius instructors at universities or someone is telling porkies. But who?
      
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      July 27, 2026 10:31am
    - lifesgood
      
      Always remember that Bob Jones only employed people with Arts degrees. He said they were analytical thinkers, well read and articulate.
      
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      July 27, 2026 10:32am
      - Graeme Hall
        
        “The Wise” Saint Bob swindled his shareholders during the 1987 crash as well and developed a convenient form of memory loss during his trial.
        
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        July 27, 2026 2:37pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Random collection of a few NZ CEOs
    
    Chris Luxon Master of Commerce (Business Administration), University of Canterbury
    Andrew Reding (Fletcher Building) MA, University of Oxford; MBA, Cranfield School of Management
    Mark Stirton (The Warehouse Group) MBA, University of Barcelona
    Roger Gray (Ports of Auckland) MBA, Master of Business (Integrated Logistics), plus BA and BEcon
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:40am
    - Cassandra
      
      No art history or Maori Studies there.
      
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      July 27, 2026 10:45am
      - Hugh Jarse
        
        They really did miss an opportunity there !
        
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        July 27, 2026 12:31pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Cass: I think one can say that any degree whose major is “…studies ” is utterly worthless employment wise.
        
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        July 27, 2026 2:04pm
  - Damocles11
    
    Over 50% of households are taking out from the system more than they are putting in. It’s social welfare for working people. It is totally unsustainable.
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:41am
    - OTGO
      
      And this will be the inevitable fall of Western Democracies as they descend into socialism/communism.
      
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      July 27, 2026 4:28pm
- virtualmark
  
  Although the right-leaning parties do genuinely want to balance the Government’s books they are caught in a political trap.
  
  Demographics is destiny. The Government’s big spends are in superannuation and in health (which is largely because of the ageing population).
  
  Balancing the Budget means taking a hard line on the oldies. Trimming the services you provide them and/or taxing them more. Neither are seen as being politically acceptable.
  
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  July 27, 2026 10:16am
  - RoboRob
    
    They could at least pretend to care about their spending. Willis says we need to cut government spending. This morning she says national will prioritise extending maternity leave. Which is it?
    
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    July 27, 2026 12:02pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Robo,
      
      I saw that announcement as an election lolly.
      
      Wouldn’t surprise me if the Nats’ polling says they’re weak with younger women voters (a group that I anecdotally suspect tilt Green). So they announce a policy that is designed to appeal to those younger women voters.
      
      Just my suspicion.
      
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      July 27, 2026 2:30pm
      - RoboRob
        
        There is no need to be suspicious 🙂 Nationals polling with women is especially bad. Yes this is a lolly (bribe). But it totally destroys Nationals line about needing to cut costs, makes them no better then Labour and wont get them the votes they are chasing.
        
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        July 27, 2026 3:46pm
Tomtoddy

Quite a reasonable frost in Papakura. Must be minus readings on the tube.
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July 27, 2026 8:17am
- pdm
  
  TT I saw a photo on Facebook taken from Waipukurau showing a good dumping of snow on the Ruahines this morning.
  
  Hawkes Bay can look forward to some good frosts coming up.
  
  5 degree frosts were common when I was a teenager biking to school or to catch school buses or working in the nursery at Gwavas Forstry in school holidays in the early 1960’s
  
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  July 27, 2026 8:44am
- Swifty
  
  Thick frost all over the car in North-West Wellington this morning. Shaping up to be a gorgeous day.
  
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  July 27, 2026 9:50am
Yvette

Electrifying New Zealand’s entire fossil-fueled vehicle fleet would require approximately 4.5 to 5 Benmore hydro stations running at full typical annual capacity (representing an increase of roughly 20–25% over NZ’s total current annual electricity generation).

At its full 280 MW planned capacity, the Southland Data Centre will consume roughly 1.1 Benmore Hydro Stations worth of energy every year (or around 1.1 to 1.2 Benmores).
(Note: If the developers ever achieved their long-term, ultimate vision of a 1 GW facility, that would require roughly 4.0 Benmore Hydro Stations on its own).

So 6.2 more Benmores

Gemini AI may have used a bath-tub or two of water over said Benmore spillway to calculate how many bath-tub fills may need to come later. Sorry.

It’s ~~not~~ won’t be that easy being Green – Kermit the Frog
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July 27, 2026 8:24am
- burt
  
  These are the realities they are not wanting us to know.
  
  But what is the end game of using tax payers money to motivate us onto a path that is completely unsustainable?
  
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  July 27, 2026 8:31am
  - Albie
    
    Professor Michael Kelly submitted a comprehensive report to the Productivity Commission on this very subject, but was largely ignored.
    
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    July 27, 2026 8:56am
  - mike
    
    Who are ‘they’ and how does Yvette get this secret information?
    
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    July 27, 2026 8:59am
    - Yvette
      
      Mike
      AI questions:
      In a very approximate calculation can you estimate the extra power consumption if all of New Zealand’s fossil fuelled vehicle fleet coverts to electric vehicles and give the answer in terms of Benmore Hydro systems?
      What is the projected electricity usage of the proposed Southland Data Bank, again in a measure of Benmore hydro stations?
      
      Gemini answers are given above
      
      ChatGPT indicates the complete electrification of New Zealand’s road fleet would require approximately four Benmore hydro stations’ worth of annual generation.
      
      The proposed Southland Datagrid AI facility
      If the campus eventually operates at its advertised 280 MW average IT load ≈ 1.1 Benmore stations
      If the project eventually reached the larger 360 MW scale now being discussed ≈ 1.4 Benmore stations.
      
      The project at Dairy Flat, just north of Auckland, combines several developments into one integrated site:
      • an AI-ready data centre,
      • the Auckland Surf Park (backed by Sir John Kirwan and local iwi),
      • a solar farm,
      • visitor accommodation,
      • restaurants and wellness facilities,
      • and ultimately a new residential village.
      The distinctive feature is that the waste heat from the data centre will be captured to heat the surf lagoon, allowing year-round surfing without separately heating the water. The solar farm will also contribute renewable electricity to the development
      
      ChatGPT: You’re very welcome! Feel free to reach out anytime if you want to run more back-of-the-envelope calculations. Have a great day!
      
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      July 27, 2026 9:57am
      - zulumonster
        
        Co-Pilot gives ~ 3 Benmores for the EV Fleet but agrees with the 1 Benmore for the datacentre …
        
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        July 27, 2026 11:12am
      - H. Upmann
        
        How many Small modular reactors would it take to do the job?
        
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        July 27, 2026 11:50am
      - david
        
        Under most circumstances a load like that would also need a backup capacity of some sort or are they planning breakdowns and planned maintenance to occur when the sun is out and the wind is blowing?
        
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        July 27, 2026 1:43pm
- Dougal10
  
  And just think of all the new transmission lines and substations needed as the energy wont fit on the current lines.
  
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  July 27, 2026 8:45am
- RoboRob
  
  Its almost like NZ needs to build more generation. If only Simon Watts and Megan Woods knew about this.
  
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  July 27, 2026 9:04am
- virtualmark
  
  Dragging up some recent work that looks at the maths:
  * Light vehicles (ie cars, utes) do about 55 billion km pa
  * The busiest 50% of vehicles, which also tend to be the newest vehicles, do about 75% of that, so about 41 billion km pa
  * An achievable goal would be to have that busiest 50% of the vehicle fleet being EVs within 10 years.
  * At 0.2 kWh per km that’s about 8,100 GWhr of electricity pa.
  * Benmore’s annual generation is about 2,200 GWhr pa.
  * Total geothermal generation is about 10,000 GWhr pa.
  * NZ’s total electricity generation is about 45,000 GWhr pa.
  
  Note though that most of the km travelled are in the top half of the North Island. We are transmission constrained. So new generation needed to meet EV use would also need to be biased to the top half of the North Island. So it won’t be hydro. And the good geothermal resource is largely tapped.
  
  Meanwhile, on the other side of the equation, NZ Inc sends about 7% of GDP pa overseas to pay for fossil fuels. If we could avoid half of that, and retain that wealth in country, then our economy would be in a much better place.
  
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  July 27, 2026 10:26am
- OlderChas
  
  But – Yvette – judging by the amount of cycleways the Greens had not only supported but instigated – (by their infiltration into Local Bodies?) they just KNOW that most of us will give up our cars and buy a bike. Ohh – wait, do all the Greens use electric bikes now?
  Surely the amount of electricity to charge up a bike is way, way lower than a car?
  So why do they think there will be a problem?? //
  
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  July 27, 2026 6:32pm
Blog-aholic

AI searches use about 5 to 10 times more electricity than old fashioned Google searches.
A standard Google search consumes about 0.3 watthours of energy while a single AI search uses roughly 2.5 to 3 watt-hours and up to 7–9 watt-hours for larger questions….Bow throw in the EV’s the Heat pumps and do an AI search calc for that consumption as we all get to die in our cold homes of ‘the consumption’…
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July 27, 2026 8:39am
- [email protected]
  
  “Google Search now relies entirely on AI. As of July 10, 2026, every search query is powered by Gemini 3.5 Flash”
  
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  July 27, 2026 1:11pm
  - David Garrett
    
    Onfo: Yes I noticed that in recent searches
    
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    July 27, 2026 2:08pm
    - OlderChas
      
      Onfo? DG dear boy please DO proofread before hitting enter.
      
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      July 27, 2026 6:36pm
Humai

It’s funny how NZ has become a nation where it’s a become good idea – nay, such a great idea that you’d run an election campaign on it – to take more money off ordinary citizens already burdened with the lion’s share of taxation.

Not a consequential increase in tax to “pay for this strategic investment” or “to greatly improve health outcomes”, but just as a feature in and of itself.
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July 27, 2026 8:53am
- cmm (semi-retired edition)
  
  That’s the problem with modern democracy. There are few net tax payers and many net tax takers.
  It pays to rob Peter to bribe Paul, Mike and Rangi.
  
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  July 27, 2026 9:43am
  - Bullion
    
    Its ok, South Africa is great example where the wealthy can have their private security, gated communities, private health care, private schooling (or still relatively expensive public schooling), lack of public spaces (like public pools) etc. The wealthy can shield themselves as much as they can from society and to minimise their contribution to society as much as they can – as much as they need to have some of their workforce educated but not too much so they can still have their maids and gardeners, and other low paid labour. The high crime rate, that’s just one of the trade offs.
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:31am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Don’t forget Jeet.
    
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    July 27, 2026 10:40am
  - Jethrod
    
    And you left out Simon.
    
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    July 27, 2026 12:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The changing nature of NZ University academics.

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2026/07/david-lillis-employment-in-university.html
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July 27, 2026 9:03am
peterwn

A teaser for a SST paywalled article: [ Mod – not yours to rebroadcast ]
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July 27, 2026 9:12am
Ghost

Perhaps it is the qualifications you got…..

‘There isn’t anything’ – Students facing tough job market

When George Davidson-Sims completed a degree in screen production and radio last November, he didn’t think he’d be waiting tables and delivering room service. Yet he considers himself one of the lucky ones.

Wellingtonian Gabriel Murphy has applied for hundreds of jobs since graduating with a Bachelor of Arts some nine months ago. He said he’s lucky to even get a reply, which is disheartening.

Alicia Lemmer completed a Bachelor of Communications majoring in public relations last year and is about to graduate with a Bachelor of Business.

Greens likely need someone who is qualified in communications, and how to use ai to write your policy without it hallucinating, try them Alicia
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July 27, 2026 9:38am
- Taieri
  
  Why would they even run screen production and radio programme at an university? It’s not an academic discipline. It would be far more useful to have a bachelor of hairdressing.
  
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  July 27, 2026 10:10am
- lifesgood
  
  So how come the thousands of immigrants are getting work? Or are they and if not why are we accepting them? Are they working for free, under the minimum wage, better qualified or with lower expectations? It’s a bit of a mystery.
  
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  July 27, 2026 10:36am
  - Spam
    
    In many examples, the immigrants get themselves into hiring positions, and then hire other immigrants.
    
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    July 27, 2026 12:18pm
    - Sir Henry Morgan
      
      And then charge their co-ethnics for helping them secure a working visa and path to PR.
      
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      July 27, 2026 2:26pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Two issues New Zealand doesn’t want to address:
  1. Subsidising useless degrees
  2. Hundreds of thousands of foreigners competing for jobs
  
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  July 27, 2026 10:36am
  - Pope Punctilious II
    
    The next Labour government will provide jobs in the public sector for many of the graduates from useless degrees.
    
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    July 27, 2026 1:13pm
    - R
      
      As they did during the last three Labour governments, quantity not quality. Hence the arthritic performance of the country.
      
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      July 27, 2026 7:42pm
- OlderChas
  
  I think Ms J Adern, Honorary Doctorates from a couple of woke universities and a “real” degree -funnily enough in communications – from a woke NZ university has totally poisoned any degree in communications to most NZ employers.
  
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  July 27, 2026 6:41pm
mogg

UK Labour govt increases minimum wage by 8%, within two years there are 75,000 less young people in the workforce. Ex Chancellor Rachel Reeves claims it’s all about being “fair”.
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July 27, 2026 9:50am
imalwaysright

Has the Nash resignation set the bar for candidate behavior?

He called his opponent ‘lazy’ and he inferred she was also milking the maternity leave.

I can’t see any problem with that.
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July 27, 2026 10:02am
- mandk
  
  He implied, you were the one who inferred.
  
  And both of you were wrong.
  
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  July 27, 2026 1:48pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    You are correct mandk.
    
    However, my point is that what he wrote was fairly benign yet it was considered enough to trigger the end of his candidacy.
    
    Hopefully the remaining candidates aren’t held to such standards or there will be no one left to vote for….
    
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    July 27, 2026 3:11pm
- Ghost
  
  Nash has apologised
  
  Winston has said Nash’s comments weren’t right
  
  It’s done, it’s over. His party didn’t even want to defend it
  
  Move on
  
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  July 27, 2026 1:55pm
True man

The Herald headline
“Greens unveil election manifesto at packed AGM in Auckland’s”
If there ever was a reason not to subscribe to the Herald it has to be this one.
It was the word “packed” that got me.
70 people in a 50 people room is packed
And no where in the article did it mention how many people were at the AGM.
And the print media wants me to buy their news papers
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July 27, 2026 10:11am
- Inandout
  
  True, a radio ad asks for budding journalists to learn how to ‘tell stories’.
  
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  July 27, 2026 12:43pm
- Cassandra
  
  150. A small room was full. I have packed meetings at my place. 8 people.
  
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  July 27, 2026 1:10pm
  - OlderChas
    
    Was going to ask, Cassandra, if it was a 50 people room what the hell were the Greens doing breaking all the Elf in Say Fitte and Fire Regulations amongst other rules by cramming in nearly 40% more than allowed?
    Proofreading matters lol.
    
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    July 27, 2026 6:49pm
- Ghost
  
  god, how precious and stupid people are becoming. It was a small room at AUT’s south Auckland campus, and as evident in all photos the different media have shown, it was packed. some of you really are sounding like whinging little …..
  
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  July 27, 2026 7:01pm
Jethrod

Was on Malone’s Sunday Strip and came across this CONCERNING the Fabian Society. It is a relatively long piece , but makes you wonder what is the antidote for it.
https://www.malone.news?utm_source=navbar&utm_medium=web
Need to click on Fabian Society on the right
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July 27, 2026 10:17am
Scooter

Is National’s election campaign to give stuff but not deliver till 3 years down the track or maybe not at all? Defer baby.
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July 27, 2026 11:17am
- RoboRob
  
  It’s that and promise to borrow some more money in exchange for female votes.
  
  But don’t worry, if we vote them in again they really will cut government staff and spending this time. Promise.
  
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  July 27, 2026 12:06pm
- Charlotte Wells
  
  After 3 years of being able to implement policy they now promise all sorts of things if re-elected.
  
  Rather clever as they will be in no position to deliver on these promises.
  
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  July 27, 2026 12:11pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Not that clever as people remember their previous un implemented promises. A large part of the reason their polling is so bad.
    
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    July 27, 2026 1:31pm
    - OlderChas
      
      And don’t forget – they cam always say “Well we would have done what we promised but coalition agreements stopped us.”
      
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      July 27, 2026 6:51pm
BeaB

Interesting to compare interviews with PM Luxon on RNZ and Newstalk ZB. Campbell and Hipkins begin sentences with “but” so that every question is contrary to what has just been said. They both concentrate on the process rather than the substance and on political games. Hosking, on the other hand, conducts more of a conversation, not shying away from the difficult stuff but allowing the PM to explain and justify. Overall it is far more informative and far less antagonistic.
We all remember RNZ gushing over Ardern – “Absolutely , Prime Minister”. Now we have swung to the opposite extreme so that even good news stories from the Government are given a negative slant.
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July 27, 2026 11:55am
- lifesgood
  
  All those people who decry Luxon as a poor communicator with little appeal should listen to his interviews with Hosking. He comes across as well informed, affable, friendly and able to take criticism. And all round good guy.
  
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  July 27, 2026 1:34pm
  - OlderChas
    
    Yeah he does, in interviews and announcements and soundbites. But he doesn’t DO what he said he would to get elected.
    
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    July 27, 2026 6:53pm
Yvette

“Here in NZ the Muslims are demanding a blasphemy law, that their beliefs are to be put above and beyond question.” – David George 8:03am above

Ngāti Tūmatauenga is the official Māori name of the New Zealand Army and translates to “The Tribe of the God of War.” This and the “Maorification” of education, health services, through to various state functions like opening motorways or dismissing vandalism charges for reasons of tikanga, should hint that Muslims demanding a blasphemy law favouring Islam could be counter productive.

Stating that the New Zealand Government and all its services are secular could be a good start.
Enforcing it would be even better.
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July 27, 2026 12:37pm
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  Yvette I’m in the process of applying for a permit to carry out research on DOC land. One of the questions we’re asked on the form is “How does your
  research align with DOC’s Strategic Goals?”, and a link to DOC’s Aotearoa New Zealand Biodiversity Strategy is provided. It’s a shock to see this “strategy” appears to be informed more by Maori mysticism than by science, with a sprinkling of Maori sovereignty thrown in. Full of references to mauri and mana e.g “Our vision for a future with nature that has thriving, vibrant, vigorous mauri”. One outcome intended by 2050 is “Treaty partners, whānau, hapū and iwi are exercising their full role as rangatira and kaitiaki”. Read if you dare:
  https://www.doc.govt.nz/globalassets/documents/conservation/biodiversity/anzbs-2020-summary.pdf
  
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  July 27, 2026 1:24pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Recent example of Maori as kaitiaki of native biodiversity:
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/gisborne-herald/news/three-men-sentenced-for-taking-526-undersized-paua-at-gisborne-beaches/FMXSMD6TEJAP3F6JVOLGRBFFWI/
    
    and earlier:
    https://www.doc.govt.nz/news/media-releases/2023-media-releases/gisborne-poacher-sentenced-to-two-months-jail/#:~:text=A%20Gisborne%20man%20who%20repeatedly,as%20deliberate%20night%2Dtime%20offending.
    
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    July 27, 2026 2:40pm
    - mike
      
      Did these poachers describe themselves as kaitiaki?
      
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      July 27, 2026 2:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It is my understanding that mana whenua are kaitiaki of their resources.
        
        It also my understanding that some Maori consider all Maori are kaitiaki.
        https://climateconnectnz.com/news/im-not-kaitiaki-just-because-i-was-born-maori-were-all-kaitiaki
        
        But what would an old pakeha lady like me know?
        
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        July 27, 2026 3:20pm
      - mike
        
        That’s a rather contrived definition that you seem to be happy to use to smear all Māori.
        
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        July 27, 2026 3:57pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @ Mike..
        
        I haven’t smeared all Maori.
        
        I have given an example of 3 Individuals who have harvested native animals in a very young state or from a location that has a reserve status.
        
        Well, you may consider my definition of kaitiaki contrived, but read this paper and see if it clarifies who is kaitiaki:
        
        https://search.informit.org/doi/epdf/10.3316/agispt.20230306084225
        
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        July 27, 2026 4:08pm
    - Taieri
      
      Older examples of Maori as kaitaki of native biodiversity:
      
      North Island giant moa
      South Island giant moa
      Bush moa
      Eastern moa
      Chatham duck
      Haast eagle
      New Zealand sea lion
      Chatham Islands sea lion
      
      Full list:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_species_extinct_in_the_Holocene
      
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      July 27, 2026 3:01pm
      - keepcalmcarryon
        
        Or the bottom trawling slave ships run by iwi fisheries.
        
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        July 27, 2026 4:48pm
    - kowtow
      
      Tribal affiliation as is the fashion these days not given , I assume.
      
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      July 27, 2026 4:47pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    So much easier to korero about mauri than to measure/monitor weed densities or carry out bird counts or dig soil pits.
    
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    July 27, 2026 2:54pm
kowtow

Is this the height of what passes for “culture” in our tertiary institutions.

It’s so outrageous as to be unbelievable . But as the article says ; feral . And how the hell were the police caught up in the aftermath.

‘Then when those in the mosh pit discovered their feet were sticky because someone had defecated on the dance floor at the University of Otago’s Union Hall, the metal band concert descended into chaos and people started vomiting — everywhere.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/it-was-feral-poo-in-the-mosh-pit-leads-to-tears-vomit-and-chaos-aibv16gj
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July 27, 2026 12:51pm
- Graeme Hall
  
  “Security and Dunedin police managed to track down “a middle-aged man” after he was identified by some concert-goers who witnessed him shaking “the log” out of his trouser leg in the mosh pit.”
  
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  July 27, 2026 3:09pm
  - OlderChas
    
    Whatever happened to the old charge of “Casting offensive matter”? Middle aged man? “A log as big as a shoe?”
    My old mind boggles!
    (Disclaimer: I never went to a University (except the University of Life.)
    
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    July 27, 2026 7:03pm
    - Graeme Hall
      
      Maybe as an older man he was a dedicated follower of fashion moshing in his “Oxford Bags”. Some pairs had legs with a 44″ circumference – enough room to shake a leg and pass a shoe-sized object with clearance to spare.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_bags
      
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      July 27, 2026 9:17pm
    - Bobba Fret
      
      I would be interested to know, was the “middle aged man” not the full quid mentally? as they said it wasn’t done to ruin the concert.
      Or was he so stoned that he didn’t know what he was doing?
      Good to know that someone does ‘give a shit!’
      
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      July 28, 2026 8:34am
      - Graeme Hall
        
        It is more common than might be expected for one good reason.
        
        Search Assistant: Cocaine may cause some people to have bowel movements, but this effect can be influenced by other additives mixed with the drug. The exact reason for this is unclear, as it may not be solely due to cocaine itself.
        
        Johnny Depp has experience of this phenomena.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqo6RxCBxiw
        
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        July 28, 2026 4:15pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Now I know why Maori have their own Student Union…
  
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  July 27, 2026 4:00pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/361011515/thames-four-square-and-owner-fined-over-120000-illegal-migrant-worker-premiums
Yes folks, its time for this week’s first example of …. you know the rest.
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July 27, 2026 1:17pm
- mandk
  
  Another aspect of this scandal is that people can get an Accredited Employer Work Visa to work in NZ as a shop assistant.
  
  I refuse to believe that it is impossible find NZ residents for this sort of work anywhere in the country. Even in Queenstown there were 319 Jobseeker recipients at the end of last year, and this number doesn’t even include all people who are unemployed.
  
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  July 27, 2026 1:44pm
  - Sir Henry Morgan
    
    You have to pity young indigenous New Zealand people trying to find a job in the current environment.
    
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    July 27, 2026 2:40pm
  - Southern Raider
    
    Yep massive youth unemployment and yet every food retailer has somehow managed to import labour.
    
    These cases like the Thames supermarket aren’t isolated though. A large amount of the franchise food outlets that have been purchased by migrants would be based on Visa backhanders as part of the business model.
    
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    July 27, 2026 2:56pm
    - Sir Henry Morgan
      
      Exactly. When immigration fraud goes unpunished it becomes part of the business model.
      
      Eventually you have whole sectors of the economy where you operate at a competitive disadvantage if you’re not engaged in immigration fraud.
      
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      July 27, 2026 6:26pm
  - MCōs
    
    Would you move to Queenstown , one of the highest rental areas in NZ for a minimum wage job?
    
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    July 27, 2026 3:39pm
    - mandk
      
      Probably not, but my point was that, even there, hundreds of people are registered Jobseekers, and there are who knows how many other who are not employed and not entitled to a benefit.
      
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      July 27, 2026 4:01pm
    - Sir Henry Morgan
      
      There’s going to be locals there who would appreciate some part-time work. Young people still living at home for a start.
      
      Maybe not enough to supply the demand, but makes sense to supply the demand locally before flooding the place with immigrants – many brought in under illegal pay-for-a-visa schemes.
      
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      July 27, 2026 6:29pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        Agreed Sir Henry,
        
        But we also have an element who want high pay, short hours, ‘work/life’ balance , weekends off, and a grateful employer.
        
        And that’s just for their first job!
        
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        July 27, 2026 7:48pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  What a paltry fine. The boss pays just $12k out of his own pocket? Seriously.
  
  He should have his PR/citizenship cancelled and be deported on release from prison. Yet this never happens to the “new Kiwis” who predate on their co-ethnics while thumbing their nose at New Zealand’s immigration and employment laws and generally approaching life in their adopted home as one long looting spree.
  
  Why does New Zealand not only import these Third-World behaviors, but largely ignore them, then refuse to seriously punish them when they get revealed? Where does the government think this will eventually lead? Obviously, if you allow this stuff to take root then within a couple of decades New Zealand will become a corrupt shithole to rival India.
  
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  July 27, 2026 2:39pm
Philview

I noticed in a report that dozens of people have been arrested in France for lighting fires intentionally and unintentionally. They were going on about man made climate change on the news last night but what about man made conflagrations. It would be interesting to find out if any of these people have a vested political interest in lighting such fires.
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July 27, 2026 1:43pm
- Graeme Hall
  
  Search Assistant: Spontaneous combustion in materials like wood can occur at temperatures around 300 °C (572 °F), but the exact temperature can vary based on factors such as moisture content and the specific type of wood. Proper storage and management are essential to prevent this phenomenon.
  
  Is arson now included in the UN’s IPCC definition of man-made global warming? I doubt it.
  
  Someone should tell the BBC who fill their time by putting up white-haired “experts” dutifully blaming global warming for every forest fire.
  
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  July 27, 2026 3:19pm
- MCōs
  
  Arsonists are invariable been responsible for a great number of these fires down through the years
  
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  July 27, 2026 3:31pm
Ghost

He didn’t last long.

Labour’s candidate for the South Island seat of Selwyn, Nick Moody, has pulled out of the election race.

The party said Moody had withdrawn as a candidate to “maintain his focus” on his role as an Environment Canterbury regional councillor.

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July 27, 2026 2:14pm
- Southern Raider
  
  And the replacement works at Chch Polytechnic and is a self described “unionists daughter”.
  
  Can see why tertiary students are so indoctrinated.
  
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  July 27, 2026 2:58pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  ECan is a much healthier grift. Less work for the same pay.
  
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  July 27, 2026 3:36pm
Swifty

I bought a packet of Gregg’s Red Ribbon Roast a couple of months ago as it was all the local dairy had in stock – it tasted like dirt.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/361011541/last-cup-special-blendgreggs-instant-coffee-coming-store-near-you

Gregg’s demise is no loss. There are plenty of better alternatives, including local ones.
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July 27, 2026 3:04pm
MCōs

RIP Derek Williams, Kiwi cameraman

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0285nMETvZEGcdj1CeAMHHW73x5QH6ARjahKCbxcH5MEeJTQkFdTHvDVaeFyi6HaiQl&id=100064660753720
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July 27, 2026 4:33pm
cmm (semi-retired edition)

Of course they are not going to cut the petrol price lolly scramble.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/361011710/petrol-set-sink-under-3-litre-four-weeks-nicola-willis-says-extra-help-may-continue
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July 27, 2026 4:39pm
Ghost

Pollsters and Republican groups are raising the alarm about an unmotivated base in an election year that would be tough no matter what, given President Donald Trump’s low approval.

Republican pollsters and political groups are raising the alarm that their party faces a listless and demotivated base ahead of November’s… midterm elections.

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This is going to be a hard election for the republicans to sell. The opposition to the war, the cost of living, etc. Now a correction to the casualties

The Pentagon updated its war casualty database Saturday, recording more than 140 additionally wounded and restoring the four soldiers killed due to Iranian strikes last week amid questions about a lack of transparency over the war’s toll.

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July 27, 2026 4:59pm
Ghost

National has ruled out working with the Opportunity Party, with leader Christopher Luxon saying National would not do business with a party that wants to raise taxes.

Opportunity’s leader says New Zealanders are tired of that way of thinking, and suspected Luxon would change his tune if National needed Opportunity come November.

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Not sure why the surprise, TOP’s policies are not compatible with the right. TOP say they will work with National or Labour, but there is nothing that would make any sort of deal possible unless TOP dump their policies.
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July 27, 2026 6:02pm
- Ian Boag
  
  If their seats make the difference and there can be a few dead rats swallowed on both sides ….. to understand that only have to look at people who got into bed with Winston because his votes were essential.
  
  I don’t understand this “I won’t work with” stuff – it all depends on what the world looks like after the election. I think “I won’t work with” means more like “I’d rather not, but being in government is so much better than not”.
  
  Perfectly understandable and not unreasonable. It’s how coalitions work ….
  
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  July 27, 2026 6:09pm
  - MCōs
    
    At the last election the Nats fully expected to make do with Act until, as I recall Seymour got a bit cocky and they didn’t poll as well as expected.
    
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    July 27, 2026 6:26pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      So suddenly Winston was their friend despite negative noises beforehand. It’s how coalitions work – if TOP is the party that takes them over the top, both parties will gulp, swallow, smile etc etc …
      
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      July 27, 2026 6:39pm
      - Quail
        
        IB,
        Yeah , ain’t MMP great, just great!
        The Other Peoples money (TOP )party won’t get close to any electorate seats ,
        But they may get in to Parliament.
        How corrupt is that??
        
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        July 27, 2026 9:26pm
KKNZ2025

NZs two tier legal (definitely not justice) system in full flight

I call BS on “…The Auckland woman, who holds a senior leadership position with a Government-owned entity,…where the significant burdens taken on by persons who accept appointment as attorneys pursuant to an EPOA perhaps do not appreciate fully the significant responsibilities that they are accepting.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-woman-avoids-conviction-after-spending-21k-of-uncles-estate/O6Q2AFKZ4JDFJO2LADSBEKVZBY/
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