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Cassandra

Hegseth: “No fatties, no trannies, no weirdos, just warriors”.

A good example of a Minister actually running his department.

While I don’t endorse his style, I do agree that Ministers should run their departments. They should be in charge and accountable. No more Sir Humphrey.

Should apply to Mayors too.
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October 3, 2026 8:01am
- mike
  
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  Testosterone tests for all? He’s a nutcase.
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:34am
  - RoboRob
    
    No he’s not. He is just applying the logic everyone used to agree on. Should 40kg women be fire fighters? If you have a budget to hire 5 firefighters, would the team be better with 5 fit strong men or 5 small or obese women?
    
    You might say a mix of men and women is ok, but why not all women? It’s because you need some men to compensate for the women. In which case you are obviously better with all men. We just aren’t allowed to say this now.
    
    Same is true for the military, a weak weirdo in a team weakens it. So don’t add them.
    
    Don’t get me wrong, there’s lots of roles for women and roles where they are obviously better than men.
    
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    October 3, 2026 8:43am
    - mike
      
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      There is no evidence that all women are unsuitable generally for military roles.
      
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      October 3, 2026 8:58am
      - RoboRob
        
        Zzzz. Why don’t woman fight men in mma? Why do we have men’s and woman’s sports if woman are identical? We don’t need studies to tell us this stuff, it’s obvious.
        
        There are obviously roles for woman in the military, I never said there weren’t. I said crazies don’t add to the militaries strength.
        
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        October 3, 2026 9:11am
      - CJames
        
        Mike That is a very general term military that you are hanging your hat on. Yes there are a lot of military roles where women are just as good as men. However, for front end fighting roles in the Army, they are not there. How many people, not only women, could lift the packs that infantry often find themselves carrying large distances? How many women could pass the SAS test? Yet there are SAS men that are very average size. Why would that be?
        
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        October 3, 2026 9:42am
      - mike
        
        There is no practical reason to exclude people from any role on the basis of sex. Tests of ability are the only ones that count.
        
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        October 3, 2026 9:55am
      - Inandout
        
        mike, taking one look at that Rachel Levine in a skirt is all the enemies of the US needed to gauge the fighting ability of America. Biden was leading his armed forces into such a weak state that had the Dems achieved another term the US armed forces would decay from within. China, Russia and Nth Korea would have been rubbing their hands with glee.
        
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        October 3, 2026 10:13am
      - Phronesis
        
        “Tests of ability are the only ones that count.” So Mike, would you be willing to extend that claim to include not only sex but race?
        
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        October 3, 2026 11:32am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        You are right about “all” women and “roles” mike. But specifically in combat roles in infantry, there is absolute evidence that women suffer significantly more overuse injuries (knees, stress fractures etc). This is due to gender differences in bone density, average muscle mass, and skeletal load tolerance.
        Women are shorter, carry more body fat and have lower V02 max. Injuries impede service and effect suitability for certain military roles.
        Data can be seen at National Library of Medicine.
        
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        October 3, 2026 12:16pm
      - Taieri
        
        Tests of ability are the only ones that count
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        Indeed. And “ability” is the key word here. As in the “physical ability”. Perhaps, that’s why there’re so few women roofers and scaffolders. And I’ve never heard of a woman underground coal miner or foundry worker.
        As for the military, the French Foreign Legion still won’t take women on, ever wondered why?
        
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        October 3, 2026 12:28pm
      - Redapplefalls
        
        “There is no practical reason to exclude people from any role on the basis of sex. Tests of ability are the only ones that count” Absolutely! People should be appointed on the basis of merit.
        
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        October 3, 2026 12:42pm
      - rouppe
        
        I have to grit my teeth a bit in some support of Mike.
        
        He likes to use one liners rather than debate fully which isn’t helpful but still…
        
        In just about any mechanised role, gender becomes pretty irrelevant because it’s the machine that does the “heavy lifting”.
        
        Pilot. Of anything. Driver of a tank, truck, Bradley fighting vehicle. Weapons specialist on a gunship or navy vessel. There might be some practicalities wrt crewing but there are plenty of roles where females are just as deadly, just as much a warrior, as a man.
        
        Not every role, for sure, but plenty.
        
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        October 3, 2026 1:50pm
      - cmm (semi-retired edition)
        
        “There is no practical reason to exclude people from any role on the basis of sex”
        
        Well, yup, fine, so long as:
        1) Those women expect zero preferential treatment and are given no preferential treatment. Exactly the same haircuts, uniforms etc etc. They live in the same quarters and shower with the men etc.
        2) They accept the general argy-bargy of being in a male dominated space dripping with testosterone.
        3) They don’t burst into tears or get time off for periods or whatever.
        
        Of course this is absolutely just theoretical since any man that has made it through basic infantry training can wipe the floor with 99.9% of women, can carry more, can endure more, etc etc.
        
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        October 3, 2026 2:09pm
      - RW Capitalist
        
        He’s not excluding women, only human beings who can’t pass the test.
        
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        October 3, 2026 3:09pm
    - R
      
      Robo, unfortunately therise of Feminisim with its challenge and conquer men mantra, has blurred the line between male and female capabilities; be it cognitively, emotionally or physically
      
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      October 3, 2026 9:27am
    - Isobar
      
      Personally, i dont think it matters if they are men or women or whatever.
      
      If they are willing to serve the country, put their life on the line for it and meet the conditions required for the role they serve in. Sex or any other metric shouldnt matter.
      
      Hegseth would do well to make sure he puts the real warriors first in his job (the men and women that serve their country), not the culture war warriors.
      
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      October 3, 2026 10:05am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Mike: “He’s a nutcase.”
    
    Treading on eggshells around effeminate male cross-dressers (you do you, but don’t expect me to like your cup of tea) demanding to be on the front line with hardened trained soldiers quite sane though?
    
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    October 4, 2026 8:25pm
- imalwaysright
  
  NZ Ministers are treated as cermonial figureheads by this Public Service Government.
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:38am
  - AitchW
    
    I don’t believe they are given even that much respect. They’re seen more as simply an elderly and disliked relative to whom lipservice is paid when necessary but otherwise ignored.
    
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    October 3, 2026 9:04am
  - R
    
    ‘as figurehead….Public,,,,government ‘ and wherever possible ignored when the directive doesn’t suit their public servant personal agenda.
    
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    October 3, 2026 9:30am
  - MCōs
    
    Ministers have responsibilities for which they are accountable to cabinet, not the chief executive
    Ministers set the strategic policy direction and introduce bills
    They answer questions in Parliament about the activities, performance, and spending within their portfolios
    The chief executive is responsible for day to day running of the department
    
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    October 3, 2026 9:45am
    - AitchW
      
      And when the CE is an example of the woke and separatist public servant he or she (or whatever pronouns they put on their emails) will do their very best to carry on with the Ardern/Hipkins agenda.
      
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      October 3, 2026 11:51am
    - rouppe
      
      Any given chief executive in the private sector can be fired by the board.
      
      Who is the board in the public sector? The government. That they can’t fire the CE of their department is outrageous.
      
      The Public Service Commissioner is in there to ensure public service neutrality. When a public servant CE is demonstrably not neutral, by way of deliberately misleading the minister, that commissioner must have grounds to dismiss them. If the commissioner won’t, perhaps they too are not politically neutral.
      
      Then what?
      
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      October 3, 2026 1:59pm
      - imalwaysright
        
        “Then what?”
        
        Then we have a politically biased Public Service that treats the Government with contempt and also publicly lies to it, and us.
        
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        October 3, 2026 2:13pm
- Paulus
  
  Our Mayors have no say on the Council Staff – only one person, the CEO, can normally do that.
  
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  October 3, 2026 9:44am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Doesn’t the Mayor employ the CEO?
    
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    October 3, 2026 10:11am
  - Inandout
    
    Paulus, I know of one CEO who was ‘annointed’ by the Mayor. Usually the Mayor has quite a say on who is appointed.
    
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    October 3, 2026 10:17am
  - Taieri
    
    Our mayors and councillors have, in practice, very little say on anything.
    
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    October 3, 2026 12:32pm
- pb
  
  Hegsethwas facing impeachment. A credible threat that led to the Speaker shutting down congress early. He is part of a kabuki show. America was just kicked out of Iraq, largely because of his failed attack on Iran. The circus rolls on.
  
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  October 3, 2026 11:13am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Rubbish. the US military was invited back into Iraq to hel settle the insurgency there a few years ago. The issue is now solved, & in accord with the agreement, the US is withdrawing its forces.
    
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    October 3, 2026 3:04pm
    - pb
      
      US has 750 military bases in foriegn countries around the world. And decides to pull out of Iraq, next to Iran, with whom it is in conflict, because job done?
      
      Those 750 bases are used to attack it’s so-called friends, btw. But, alas, no more.
      
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      October 3, 2026 7:01pm
Cassandra

Great news: University and polytech staff are finally sorting out NZ tertiary education. Big improvement coming.

They are going on strike, so the improvement is only temporary. Drat.
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October 3, 2026 8:02am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Take as long as you like, fellas!
  
  http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/education/1687429/university-and-polytech-staff-vote-to-strike-together-for-first-time
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:05am
  - R
    
    But don’t expect to be paid.
    
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    October 3, 2026 10:20am
  - Phronesis
    
    The Academy is kind of a co-op. There are no shareholders or owners, the staff have jobs and if there is a surplus it goes into better conditions for the staff (buildings etc, travel perks etc). You could reasonably argue about how the money is distributed. But you would have to be impressively lacking in awareness to think that pissing off your customers is going to improve your own conditions.
    
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    October 3, 2026 11:39am
  - OlderChas
    
    “We need $900 million to reach the average. I would call on all political parties to put forward a comprehensive strategy of policies that show how they are going to value quality public education in Aotearoa.” (Amy Ross – TEU Secretary or something.)
    The last word in that quote tells me exactly why they should be on low pay. they don’t even know the name of their country.
    
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    October 3, 2026 5:31pm
- artemisia
  
  Yes Cassandra. Biomed, university and polytech employees – basically striking for higher pay. By a real coincidence there is a general election coming up and all of those striking employees are largely funded by taxpayers.That would be OPM, and more likely to happen with a change of government. Just a coincidence though.
  
  Some Biomed staff are apparently considering a career change over the low wages.
  
  No mention of same in reporting of uni and polytech strikes. Perhaps they have read about the grad with a Masters in Communication who has failed to get any of the 600 jobs applied for, despite more than 50 interviews.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/1682372/iv-manufacturers-strike-for-higher-pay
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/education/1687429/university-and-polytech-staff-vote-to-strike-together-for-first-time
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:24am
  - Cassandra
    
    I’ve just tortured myself by reading Newsroom where serial commenters write of their solution to any shortfall in Labour’s budget which is printing money. Seriously.
    
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    October 3, 2026 8:31am
    - RoboRob
      
      ‘modern monetary theory’. Bunch of clowns.
      
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      October 3, 2026 8:46am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Well Grant Robertson landed a very nice job/paycheck after running the economy that way for 6 years. He would rather you call it Quantitative Easing than printing money though.
      
      So why wouldn’t other University staff believe that is a good idea?
      
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      October 3, 2026 8:46am
    - R
      
      They are serious,……. at our expense.
      
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      October 3, 2026 10:22am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I’m looking forward to students suing tertiary institutions on the grounds that they’ve been sold a pup.
    
    600 failed job applications indicates that the qualification is not fit for purpose. The graduate concerned should be able to return it to the institution and receive a full refund.
    
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    October 3, 2026 8:33am
    - R
      
      Perhaps the graduate has an ATTITUDE problem. Such shows up during interviews, difficult to hide attitude.
      
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      October 3, 2026 10:24am
    - Taieri
      
      the qualification is not fit for purpose
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      This particular “qualification” has no purpose.
      
      Why should students be able to sue on these grounds? They are supposed to be the brightest of all of us. Have they never heard of “caveat emptor” a.k.a “buyer beware”? It’s still applicable under NZ law.
      
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      October 3, 2026 12:37pm
- RoboRob
  
  And during an election, it’s almost like it’s political.
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:31am
- AitchW
  
  Wow, widespread strikes in the weeks leading up to an election. It’s almost as if the unions want to cast the government in a bad light….
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:49am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I thought they’d been on strike for the last 30 years or so?
  
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  October 3, 2026 12:17pm
Tomtoddy

What New Zealander would vote for a party that deliberately threw their own country under a very big bus? The Greens, led by the “holier-than-thou” Swarbrick, beseeched the EU Trade Commissioner back in April to examine whether New Zealand’s methane changes could breach the trade agreement we have with Europe.

That’s a deliberate form of treachery.

There is a witch hunt underway now supported by a motley mob including – Greenpeace, Ngāti Pūkenga, OraTaiao, the Environmental Law Initiative, Mike Smith, and Jane Kelsey. Whether Swarbrick’s blatant treasonous deception caused such an investigation is moot, but who wants a government led by such perfidy?

Why weren’t the media all over this underhand activity. It could potentially affect hundreds of our jobs and family livelihoods.
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October 3, 2026 8:02am
- kowtow
  
  Oh but don’t you want your grand children to have the wunnerful life you’ve had .
  
  ( Because that’s the basis of the argument the far left , and now rent seeking big business use in their appeal , simple emotion directed at idiots)
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:30am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Good news. True Green believers don’t have children because it would offend Gaia. Obviously.
    
    Apart from Marama, who has more than the rest of the Greens Top Ten put together.
    
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    October 3, 2026 12:30pm
    - OlderChas
      
      NeverMind – I sometimes wonder if they actually know HOW to make children
      
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      October 3, 2026 5:34pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  It is not treason when they are devoted to the Green religion, saving the planet gives them a higher calling than Nationalism.
  
  Their power comes from successfully indoctrinating generations of young people to their religion, so no problems picking up votes.
  
  To stop their power we have to show young people a more optimistic outlook on life and diminish the lies of the Green religion.
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:37am
  - Jethrod
    
    Hallelujah and Kumbaya
    
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    October 3, 2026 8:52am
  - AitchW
    
    On planet Green any action, no matter how insane, unreasonable or destructive, is justified if it is calculated to “just stop oil” or reduce carbon or save Palestine or baby seals.
    This is why we see green Luddites gluing themselves to roads, throwing paint on art works, or camping in the buckets of aerial coal conveyors.
    Causing potentially massive damage to our economy fits right in. Swarbrick will be hailed as a green goddess by hippies all over the motu for running to teacher!
    
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    October 3, 2026 8:56am
    - kowtow
      
      Talking of untold damage, though, our “mainstream” politicians of all stripes ( bar the new right) are on the same continuum of destroying their own economies with de carbonisation ,de industrialisation , nut zero etc .And as the economy goes down the gurgler , so too does a wealthy , healthy society.
      
      In fairness they are doing way more damage than the soap dodgers.
      
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      October 3, 2026 12:26pm
    - Sacha
      
      Whatever happened to all those people who sat on the motorway and glued themselves onto it? Did the succeed in their endeavours, or did they get bored and find another activity?
      Only asking in passing – I don’t really care.
      
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      October 3, 2026 1:25pm
      - OlderChas
        
        Sacha I think they found out that police could just rip their hands (minus a lot of flesh and skin!) off the motorway or other roadway they though gluing themselves to wa a good idea.
        
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        October 3, 2026 5:36pm
- R
  
  ‘affect our jobs….’ but we in the media expect to have the PIJF restored come Nov 8th, secures our future income.
  
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  October 3, 2026 10:27am
- pb
  
  Canada too begging to join the unelected Globalist EU. Mumblings about NZ and Australia joining this group of bumblers. What a stupid idea.
  
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  October 3, 2026 11:17am
- Pope Punctilious II
  
  What New Zealander? Lots of Kiwis who’ve spent a decade or more being indoctrinated and demoralized by NZ’s education system.
  
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  October 3, 2026 6:02pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

I was reminded recently that bikes may be provided by employers with no FBT accruing. This exemption was passed by Parliament without public consultation in the dark days of the last Labour government. One of the conditions is that the bikes have to be used solely or principally for commuting to & from work – yeah, right!

Yet another example of bludging cyclists not paying their way. Not content with free bike racks and seizing road space to the exclusion of other users, they don’t even pay full whack for their bikes.

The number of bikes on Wellington roads suggests an enthusiastic take-up by public sector agencies.

If the Left want additional revenue, they should remove the FBT exemption, so that cyclists start to pay their way. That’s one tax increase I can support.

https://www.deloitte.com/nz/en/services/tax/perspectives/july-2024-fbt-and-the-bike-exemption.html
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October 3, 2026 8:04am
- MCōs
  
  “seizing road space to the exclusion of other users”
  A bike seizes a lot less road space than a car might otherwise occupy
  Personally I think anything to get people cycling to work is a good idea and it’s hardly going to break the bank. On the plus side it means a few less cars on the road, a bit less pollution, people exercising and getting out in the fresh air
  “Blowing out someone else’s candle won’t make yours shine brighter “
  Anon
  
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  October 3, 2026 10:12am
  - kowtow
    
    “All comrades cycle to work , politbureau not so much”
    Mao Tse Tung ( attributed )
    
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    October 3, 2026 10:24am
  - keepcalmcarryon
    
    Wrong.
    A bike now seizes 1.5 m around it to pass.
    Thats flat out dangerous on most of NZs narrow tortuous rural roads, or traffic is forced to follow at bike speed.
    Morons in the bureaucracy making rules for the productive sector they know nothing about.
    
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    October 3, 2026 11:44am
  - imalwaysright
    
    From this month vehicles have to give bikes a 1.5 metre clearance.
    On most roads that puts the vehicle on the centre line or further. So drivers will be looking at oncoming traffic rather than the cyclist.
    Also, busses will have the right of way when pulling out.
    Standby for arrogant bus drivers not giving a shit and pulling into traffic.
    
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    October 3, 2026 12:17pm
    - kowtow
      
      That bus give way to is really , really stupid and goes totally against the grain of how we drive and the basic principles of road usage and safety.
      
      Stopped traffic coming into moving traffic always gives way to traffic already there and on the move.It’s basic common sense and safety.
      
      This change now creates a danger for traffic that stops to let the bus out . The nearest driver to the bus is at danger from following traffic that may not see , be aware of or even care that the bus is about to move off from the kerb.
      
      The stopping driver must now stop, in the carriageway , for the bus and be cognisant of a potential rear end collision…..
      
      God knows it’s bad enough already with meth,coke , dope heads , distracted idiots on their phones or touch screens or just the low IQ and selfish types who’re shit drivers anyway.
      
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      October 3, 2026 4:28pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    In some parts of Wellington, bike lanes occupy as much space as car lanes. Never mind that said lanes are empty almost all of the time, while car lanes are much busier. The bikes have their lane, used or not.
    
    As for exercise, if cyclists want exercise then they can pay to join the gym like the rest of us. I’m told that spin classes are almost as good as the real thing.
    
    To be clear, cycling advocates have succeeded in securing assets from the common weal to support them in their hobby, at the expense of others. That just doesn’t seem right to me.
    
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    October 3, 2026 12:38pm
  - rouppe
    
    The bike LANE seizes the road space. Whether there are cyclists using it or not
    
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    October 3, 2026 2:05pm
- pb
  
  The redneck rage anti-cyclists harbour seems a projection of guilt at their own laziness and pathetic lives.
  
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  October 3, 2026 11:20am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Cyclists and cars should not share the same roads. Not in large cities chocka with cars (especially oversized vehicles marketed to sociopathic/psychopathic dickheads) anyway.
    
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    October 4, 2026 6:59pm
- OlderChas
  
  NeverMind – do the bikes come with a rack to attach them to the SUV that they drive to work in?
  
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  October 3, 2026 5:38pm
David George

Experienced Aussie pilot leaves the reservation and tells the truth about the Hijacking. Interviewer panics – “let’s just stick to the technical aspects”
https://x.com/IFNY2775/status/2105827389133435274
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October 3, 2026 8:05am
- Yvette
  
  What did the intending suicidal mass-murderer stab the other pilot with?
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:19am
  - David George
    
    Word is that he used the axe that is in the cockpit to break the windscreen in an emergency.
    The pilot was quite badly injured but look like he will be OK.
    
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    October 3, 2026 8:32am
  - kowtow
    
    I believe it was the crash/fire axe . Standard in cockpits apparently.
    Not to worry , ICAO will now mandate they be made out of plastic, light wood or rubber.
    
    That’ll fix it.
    
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    October 3, 2026 8:33am
  - RoboRob
    
    I have heard a lot of stories, including an axe, but the most likely is ‘a pen’.
    
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    October 3, 2026 8:33am
    - CJames
      
      Hard to near sever an arm with a pen.
      
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      October 3, 2026 8:38am
      - RoboRob
        
        True! Hadn’t heard an arm was severed. Reporting has been pretty useless. Sounds like an axe then.
        
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        October 3, 2026 8:47am
      - Jethrod
        
        The pen is mightier than the sword.
        
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        October 3, 2026 8:55am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      In this case, the axe is mightier than the pen.
      
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      October 3, 2026 8:44am
- Notsofast
  
  The motive was for an Islamist to kill Jews and be a martyr says the old pilot before being returned to the agenda.
  Classic Aussie plain speaking.
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:29am
- MCōs
  
  That guy forgets the bloke was arrested in Saudi Arabia, a most extreme Muslim societies, and not treated as a hero.
  There are extreme individuals in many societies who don’t seem to think twice about killing random people they consider inferior
  
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  October 3, 2026 10:25am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Saudi is Sunni – the co-ilot was Shia. Big difference.
    
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    October 3, 2026 10:37am
    - MCōs
      
      Whether he is Shia or whatever else has not been established
      Here’s some more information
      https://youtu.be/jhs6EiEHQ5g?si=iWtr6DQXljzkKOAQ
      
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      October 3, 2026 10:58am
    - Taieri
      
      Saudi is Sunni
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      Approx. 2 to 3 million Saudis are Shia.
      
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      October 3, 2026 12:40pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Hi Mcos, I agree that there are extreme individuals in any society e.g. the trans-activist who shot Charlie Kirk or the loner guy in Aramoana who shot up his neighbours. I also know Muslim people who are good people.
    
    However, no religion has been spread as fast as Islam did from its inception. 100 years after it’s beginning it had spread across vast geographical areas from Arabia to Asia, Africa and Europe. How did it achieve such a rapid rise? War, conquering and subjugating nations. That is an inherent part of the religions teachings and practice.
    
    It would be ignorant or disingenuous not to know Islam and conquest are inextricably linked.
    
    People site examples of Jews and Christians living harmoniously in Muslim societies to suggest that it isn’t something we should fear. But when Muslims are dominant the minorities are legally given less rights, a muslims word is superior to the word of the non-Muslims. It is a true patriarchal society where woman have little rights and are killed if they are raped. It is not a society I would chose for my family or friends.
    
    Was this pilot a jihadi looking to earn his way to paradise? Well it wouldnt be surprising if he was.
    
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    October 3, 2026 11:11am
    - kowtow
      
      PL
      
      An excellent book by James Michener .The Source , Based on an archaeological dig in modern Israel ,goes back to prehistoric times.
      
      ! Spoiler alert , the following contains details you may not want to see inanticipation of ever reading said tome.!
      
      Anyway , when it comes to the Islamic conquest ; the victors ride in and divide up the conquered.
      
      Jews and Christians to one side as people of the book. Do you accept you live under Muslim conquest and jizya . Yes ……ok carry on , as second class subjects.
      
      Any others . Do you accept the new religion . Yes , ok join us .
      No. Off theyre taken to some gully for beheading.
      
      That’s how you spread “religion” super fast .
      
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      October 3, 2026 12:14pm
- virtualmark
  
  There’s a lot about this event that doesn’t add up.
  
  Personally I don’t believe the:
  1. co-pilot stabbed the pilot,
  2. plane descended at 30k ft/min,
  3. pilot unlocked the door
  4. passengers subdued the co-pilot
  5. A plumber pulled the plane out of the dive
  6. off-duty pilots took control of the plane.
  
  2 and 3 and 5 in particular seem implausible. And if 2 is true then I can’t see 3 and 4 happening.
  
  Note that there is quite a lot of video footage shot by passengers and it isn’t consistent with at least 2 above.
  
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  October 3, 2026 12:55pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

This is hilarious. The NZ Psychology bodies are apologising to Maoris for not applying Maori science in psychology.

Sorry? How many Maori psychologists were there in 1840? I’m going to go with nil. How then can there be traditional Maori knowledge to ignore?

The fact is that modern psychology dates from the late 19th century, and comes from Central Europe. It’s a European taonga, to turn a phrase. If Maoris want to set up a tohunga (priest, wise man, witch doctor)-led body then all power to their arm. But don’t try to corrupt genuine psychology.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/1682251/deeply-sorry-psychology-groups-apologise-for-racism-towards-maori
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October 3, 2026 8:06am
- kevn
  
  NMTB… Maybe a tohunga counts as a psycho type?
  
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  October 3, 2026 9:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If Maoris want to set up a tohunga (priest, wise man, witch doctor)-led body then all power to their arm.
  
  Much easier to take over existing institutions than to create one de novo.
  
  Professor Waitoki has been beating the matauranga maori drum in psychology for years…
  
  https://www.maramatanga.ac.nz/media/5013/download?inline
  
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  October 3, 2026 9:50am
- imalwaysright
  
  The Maori genes must be extremely potent to have such effects at such rates of dilution.
  
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  October 3, 2026 10:29am
Scott

On the good news in America front we have this headline:

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2026/10/somali-deportations-up-tenfold-under-trump.php

The article notes that Somalians are being deported from Minnesota. In Minnesota the Somalians have become a key voting plank to ensure a permanent Democrat majority. To this end Governor Walz has done everything to protect Somalians from being deported.

Somalians have also been at the cutting edge of massive fraud, “the learing centre” is a good example.
Somalians come from a 3rd world crappy country and don’t assimilate well. They commit a disproportionate amount of crime and fraud.

Trump is continuing to follow through on his promises. Given the huge amount of interference from Democrat officials and judges it’s good to see the deportations are continuing.
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October 3, 2026 8:13am
- Don Beckett
  
  Somalis – not Somalians.
  
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  October 3, 2026 10:39am
  - Jethrod
    
    Is that a bit like aotearoas or aotearoans? Just checking
    
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    October 3, 2026 2:11pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  This is tin foil hat thinking. There are maybe 50,000 eligible Somali voters in Minnesota at the very most; in the last Minnesota election more than 3.2 million votes were cast. On no planet is it possible for those 50,000 to be “a key voting plank to ensure a permanent Democrat majority” even if each and every one of them voted Democrat.
  
  Anyway, he could deport every Somali in the country, Trump is so deeply unpopular it won’t make a shred of difference to his forthcoming electorial humiliation. If he’s looking for key voting planks to ensure a permanent Democrat majority, he should take a look in his bathroom mirror. You won’t find many bigger planks out there than Trump.
  
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  October 3, 2026 12:29pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Don’t forget all the other identity/demographic groups the left intentionally imports and farms for votes.
    
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    October 4, 2026 7:06pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  We have a fair few Somalis in Wellington. Mostly widows with children, I think.
  
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  October 3, 2026 12:42pm
- virtualmark
  
  Unlikely to turn Minnesota into a GOP stronghold. In fact ICE actions there are likely to push it in the other direction.
  
  I’m all for prosecuting every instance of fraud. But it does seem a little hypocritical when Trump is pardoning (much more serious) fraudsters left, right and centre.
  
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  October 3, 2026 12:59pm
Pineapple Lumps

Does anyone see any irony in Labour seeking to stop out of electorate property owners from voting in Local body elections while happily campaigning for overseas voters in the General election?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2026-labour-will-abolish-ratepayer-roll-axing-extra-votes-of-landlords-holiday-home-owners/FUQA4VKJGFDLPF6CWHUF5IRSRY/
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October 3, 2026 8:29am
- Cassandra
  
  Surely paying rates qualifies for a vote?
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:33am
  - mike
    
    Why? Should a person be qualified to vote in multiple constituencirs?
    
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    October 3, 2026 8:38am
    - greybeard
      
      If you live in one electorate but own a rate-paying property and a rate-paying business employing numerous staff in another electorate, why should you not have a vote in both ?
      Are you not contributing to both ?
      Even if you had many other properties in the other electorate you would still only qualify for one vote, same as anyone living there.
      Seems fair to me.
      
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      October 3, 2026 8:45am
      - kowtow
        
        What’s not fair is the left wing clowns who want to stop the actual payers of rates from having their democratic right to a say in how their money is spent, are at the same time, insisting unelected appointed people get to vote in council ,on how that money is spent , based on their alleged racial characteristics.
        
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        October 3, 2026 8:58am
      - mike
        
        Ok, so what if I owned a property in each ward of my city? Should I get multiple votes for mayor?
        
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        October 3, 2026 9:01am
      - cmm (semi-retired edition)
        
        “Ok, so what if I owned a property in each ward of my city? Should I get multiple votes for mayor?”
        
        Yes. One per property, in the ward where that property is located.
        
        Or even better – 1 vote per $1000 of rates paid.
        
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        October 3, 2026 2:19pm
      - rouppe
        
        The point is the taking away of representation despite taxation.
        
        As a leftie surely you vehemently oppose taxation without representation?
        
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        October 3, 2026 2:22pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Representation and taxation have a long joint history.
      
      But you know that, Mike.
      
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      October 3, 2026 8:45am
    - AitchW
      
      Because democracy, Mike.
      
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      October 3, 2026 8:57am
    - Peter S
      
      No taxation without representation.
      
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      October 3, 2026 8:57am
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      Why should a non rate paying tenant or 16 year old be able to vote in their local body area ?.
      
      Why should a property owner who pays the rates for that property and has an interest in how well that areas is governed and what happens to their rates not have a vote in that area ?.
      
      Why should an overseas resident be allowed to vote in New Zealand elections.
      
      Why should an MP in one electorate be able to live in another electorate and not in the one they supposedly represent?
      
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      October 3, 2026 8:59am
      - AitchW
        
        I would argue that a business owner leasing a property in a council area different to the one in which he lives should have a vote in that election as well. He pays the rates…
        
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        October 3, 2026 1:42pm
    - gravedodger
      
      Possibly because they are being rorted by multiple local authorities and there once was an old adage no taxation without reoresentation.
      That was a basic plank in the reasons the Colonies revolted against the UK and it was successful.
      
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      October 3, 2026 8:59am
      - mike
        
        How are those taxpayers under 18 represented? Should people visiting the country get to vote because they pay GST?
        
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        October 3, 2026 9:04am
      - Taieri
        
        How are those taxpayers under 18 represented?
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        There’re no more paper or milk runs to speak of. But, back in the day, school age children used to do it and were liable for tax on their earnings. Should a hypothetical 12 years old be eligible for voting?
        
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        October 3, 2026 12:45pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Sprinkle the word multiple votes around with a dash of envy to create a falsehood.
      
      The property owner is only getting one vote in the constituency that they own property in. So it is still one person, one vote.
      
      But Chris Hipkins will be happy this policy is popular with anyone with a low enough iq not to see that it is actually anti-democratic.
      
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      October 3, 2026 9:02am
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      You ask about multiple votes in one local body area if you have multiple properties in different wards of that area. You only get one vote per local body area, good smokescreen though.
      
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      October 3, 2026 9:23am
    - Cassandra
      
      The voter pays tax once. The ratepayer pays rates where he has houses. Simple. And one could argue that voting should be based on the quantity of payment.
      
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      October 3, 2026 9:28am
      - mike
        
        What about jointly owned property, or property owned by trusts or companies?
        
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        October 3, 2026 9:58am
      - Cassandra
        
        mike: they get one vote.
        
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        October 3, 2026 11:20am
      - cmm (semi-retired edition)
        
        Yup, that’s how some places do it (and perhaps it once was in NZ).
        
        Ratepayer voting was similar to the voting in a company AGM. One share = 1 vote.
        
        If you are a major ratepayer (or major share holder) you clearly have more skin in the game.
        
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        October 3, 2026 2:17pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Personally I think you either:
      a. have councils raise their income by rates on properties, but in return every property owner gets to vote, or
      b. have councils raise their incomes by residency (ie a poll tax), but in return every resident gets to vote.
      
      But at the moment we have a weird system where residents get to vote for what the property owners will have to pay for. Can’t see how that’s fair.
      
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      October 3, 2026 1:01pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Mike: “Should a person be qualified to vote in multiple constituencies”
      
      Nah obviously not. They’d get to vote in the electorate of the property they actually live in as their home (and they can only choose one of those for that purpose). Simples. 😊
      
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      October 4, 2026 7:10pm
- CJames
  
  Whatever happened to the principle of no taxation without representation? I seem to remember it created a rebellion 250 years ago. Or is something like this different when the left do it? No doubt they are saving democracy, or their form where you are free to vote, but only for their approved candidates.
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:37am
  - Isobar
    
    Thats not a nz principle.
    
    For example of i own ten properties in Christchurch, should i get ten votes? Nope it doesnt work like that.
    
    If you are not living in the community that has to live with council decisions, i personally dont see why you should get a vote.
    
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    October 3, 2026 11:50am
    - AitchW
      
      If you own a business in one area and live in another should you not get a vote in each?
      Businesses are at least equally affected by council decisions and regulations as home owners.
      
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      October 3, 2026 4:56pm
    - Taieri
      
      Because your property is affected by council’s decision, whether you live on it or not.
      
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      October 3, 2026 5:40pm
  - MCōs
    
    The slogan ‘no taxation without representation’ did not refer to individuals, but to colonies in America that were taxed by Westminster, but didn’t have representation in parliament.
    
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    October 3, 2026 3:35pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s the other side of giving 16 yo the vote. Preventing “rich prick” property owners having a say in how their taxes are wasted .
  
  Local govt voting should be limited to rate payers only , and if it’s not already the case only a resident rate payer should be allowed to stand for council.
  
  Goose /gander and all that.
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:37am
  - AitchW
    
    Sorry kowtow, downticked in error. A combination of fat fingers and tiny buttons!
    
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    October 3, 2026 9:07am
    - kowtow
      
      Not to worry .
      
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      October 3, 2026 4:10pm
- Yvette
  
  Labour leader Chris Hipkins said Labour will move to a “one person, one vote” rule in local body elections, “ending the rule that allows some people to vote in more than one council area”, if elected.
  
  Pineapple Lumps, while some of his own MPs may not be too happy with this –
  Family homes (x2; jointly owned) – Māngere Bridge, Auckland
  Apartment (jointly owned) – Wellington City Centre
  Family home (jointly owned) – Rotorua
  
  – Chris Hipkins probably knows rich people, who own more than one property, are the enemy of Labour.
  I may be very simple.
  
  The vast irony is that the Special Maori Seats were established over the fact that joint “ownership” of property initially excluded Maori from voting, and Hipkins would penalise those who have now sorted the original problem out by individually owning several properties.
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:45am
  - RoboRob
    
    Strange a party that believes in giving power to unelected people would be concerned with ‘1 vote per person ‘.
    
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    October 3, 2026 8:49am
    - AitchW
      
      RR, some are more equal than others.
      
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      October 3, 2026 9:33am
- Phronesis
  
  The only fair system would be one vote for every dollar paid in rates. We could do the same for National elections also. One vote for every dollar paid in tax.
  
  That would be representation based on individual taxation.
  
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  October 3, 2026 10:05am
- MCōs
  
  The basis on which we vote in NZ is not dependent on being a tax/ratepayer.
  Well that’s what I thought
  I own this house, yet both of us can vote in local election’s elections
  When I owned my previous house in Ngaio up to five of us of voting age lived there, but only I paid the rates.
  What happened to one person one vote (terms and conditions apply not related to paying tax) that our democracy is based on?
  
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  October 3, 2026 10:38am
  - cmm (semi-retired edition)
    
    “The basis on which we vote in NZ is not dependent on being a tax/ratepayer.”
    
    It might have once worked that way in NZ (it still does in some countries).
    
    Being a tax/ratepayer has nothing to do with paying tax/rates. That’s why we’re in the position we’re in where the takers (the vast majority) vote for the givers (the vast minority) to pay more to the takers.
    
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    October 3, 2026 7:27pm
  - Ghost
    
    Unfortunately mcos some people do not believe in democracy and want to change the rules so they can rig elections
    
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    October 3, 2026 7:40pm
- Isobar
  
  I dont think those two things are the same. Kiwis overseas dont get to vote for an overseas electorate AND one in NZ.
  
  Also kiwis overseas lose the right to vote after being overseas for more than 3 years straight. Should the same apply to property owners?
  
  I do believe in one person one vote. It cant be a concept that only applies when it suits us.
  
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  October 3, 2026 11:46am
  - Don Beckett
    
    When I lived in Oz during the 1980’s, I voted in all their National, state, & local body elections, as well as voting in the NZ election. Maybe that’s changed.
    
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    October 3, 2026 3:17pm
- amospicton
  
  In leftie land the right to vote is inversely proportional to rich prick status.
  
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  October 3, 2026 12:06pm
  - kowtow
    
    Recall how the “progressives” were so incensed over Brexit they were calling for the leave voters to be disenfranchised.
    
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    October 3, 2026 4:09pm
- Dougal10
  
  And they have out of electorate candidates standing in places they dont live lol
  
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  October 3, 2026 9:48pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/361041546/nz-first-candidate-defends-past-praise-controversial-influencer-andrew-tate
This is nothing more than a subtle hit-job on an NZF candidate by the MSM.
Are they demanding perfection ?
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October 3, 2026 8:40am
- mike
  
  People a free to vote for candidates who admire rapists.
  
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  October 3, 2026 8:44am
  - Hugh Jarse
    
    I am not a supporter of them but one minor technicality is that they haven’t been convicted yet on any of the charges across multiple jurisdictions. But hey don’t let that worry you.
    
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    October 3, 2026 10:42am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Great comment by NZF spokesperson on this:
  
  Asked whether NZ First had any concerns about Ikilei’s comments about Tate, a spokesperson said the party was “not some sort of Gestapo word-police”, and defended the right of New Zealanders to freedom of opinion and speech.
  
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  October 3, 2026 9:10am
  - mike
    
    And election candidates might reasonably expect their support for rapists to became news.
    
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    October 3, 2026 10:00am
    - AitchW
      
      I once voted Green. In my defence they were a conservationist party in those days. Were I to stand for parliament in the next election for ACT, would that youthful indiscretion be held against me?
      
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      October 3, 2026 11:55am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        It’s OK. I was an idiot full of wishful thinking in my youth too.
        
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        October 4, 2026 7:14pm
    - rouppe
      
      Has he expressed support for Tate since the charges were revealed?
      
      Should Bill ‘Hot Tub’ Clinton be similarly tarnished because he was in the company of a child sex trafficker?
      
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      October 3, 2026 2:33pm
mike

This is quite a long read, but it is a disturbing and sad insight into a damaged mind:
https://time.com/article/2026/10/01/donald-trump-2026-interview-transcript/
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October 3, 2026 8:42am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Thanks but I don’t need any further confirmation that he is mad as a cut snake.
  
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  October 3, 2026 9:25am
- Inandout
  
  mike, Time magazine veered to the left about 30 years ago and now has as much integrity as the BBC.
  
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  October 3, 2026 10:22am
  - Hard Cheese
    
    Play the ball, not the man. Read the transcript – even if Time was hard left how does that explain Trumps rambling, incoherent answers to the questions?
    
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    October 3, 2026 8:25pm
- virtualmark
  
  His brain is mush. In his current state he genuinely would not be allowed to drive a school bus, but yet he holds the nuclear codes and drives US foreign policy. That is all levels of fucked up.
  
  It’s an indictment on the US political system that they can’t calmly and sensibly move him out of the Presidency.
  
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  October 3, 2026 1:06pm
  - kowtow
    
    Did you ever do Biden?
    
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    October 3, 2026 4:07pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Biden was too old for the job. It’s a job that ages people in dog years and that’s bloody difficult if you start the role aged 70-something.
      
      And Biden has always been a stutterer, so he’s never been a convincing orator. He mumbles too much.
      
      But I’ve seen no sign that Biden has dementia – just that he’s slowing down.
      
      But hey, Trump is too old for the job too … for all the jabs at “Sleepy Joe” it’s Trump that’s the one falling asleep in Oval Office meetings …
      
      But the media portrays scores them on different scales. They hated Biden because he was boring and didn’t do interviews. They love Trump because there’s always something to write a story about and if you put a microphone in front of him he will speak. For ever. Like a dementia patient.
      
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      October 3, 2026 8:07pm
      - Ghost
        
        It is bizarre that you have people who attacked Biden for exactly the same things that they now drop before Trump for. Hypocrites who refuse to hold this president to the same standards of the previous. But they also refuse to hold Trump to account for behaviour and actions far worse.
        
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        October 3, 2026 8:15pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  Apparently 16 of you read that article and still think he’s lucid and coherent enough to downtick Mike
  
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  October 3, 2026 1:17pm
gravedodger

I think there is a sufficient body of evidence now. No need to seek further.
A certain tiresome individual will not understand that,alas
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October 3, 2026 9:03am
surfing

Two things annoying me about labour right now.

No 1… the quiet abandonment of super sized school classrooms… no one ever held labour to account for this disastrous idea. Labour education ministers have beeen atrrocius at best, and these people get off scott free. Media were silent.

No 2… labours capital gains tax… the tax injustice is that workers pay tax while those who earned through capital gains paid nothing.

So labour propose a cgt that will make 1.4billion per year…. But do they reduce tax for wage slaves? No!!! So what is the point?
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October 3, 2026 12:09pm
- cmm (semi-retired edition)
  
  They never reduce tax silly billy.
  
  They take more tax and hand it around – preferably to their mates.
  
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  October 3, 2026 7:22pm
kowtow

Ye teuchters might be interested in this wee piece.

‘Macleod’s dastardly scheme to sell his tenants for £3 each was exposed in a letter from Luke St Lawrence of Donaghadee to Alex Cunningham, the receiver of the rescued Scots at Port Patrick.’

https://www.irishlegal.com/articles/our-legal-heritage-the-ship-of-the-people-and-the-wicked-man
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October 3, 2026 12:30pm
Pope Punctilious II

I didn’t realize how far gone this country is. Developers currently have to pay for local iwi to “bless” developments, sometimes involving as many as 7 iwi or hapu. I love it – developers have to pay for local iwi to practice their own spiritual beliefs. Sensibly, ACT wants to put a stop to the rort.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/361041990/act-wants-ban-compulsory-karakia-resource-consents
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October 3, 2026 1:22pm
- kowtow
  
  Same with the process of coming up with a name for goodness sake.
  
  ‘The name Tāheke refers to the flow of water descending or flowing down, from rain drops to waterfalls, describing water’s movement across the natural landscape. Bay Waters was inspired by the waters that define and connect the region. The name was developed through a collaborative process involving water services staff from both councils, tangata whenua representatives, Te Reo Māori experts, and Joint Committee representatives, with feedback gathered through workshops and wānanga.’
  
  https://amalgamation.nz/taheke-bay-waters-new-bay-of-plenty-water-organisation/
  
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  October 3, 2026 4:05pm
  - cmm (semi-retired edition)
    
    If the iwi “gift” a name, there is an expectation of a reciprocal gift.
    
    I would have thought the reciprocation by “gifting” another name would be fitting (eg. You can call the next Maori child “bob”), but that is frowned upon. The reciprocal gift should be in the form of $.
    
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    October 3, 2026 7:21pm
cmm (semi-retired edition)

An investigation has been started into the botched execution attempted in USA. As everyone knows by now, the condemned demanded, and was given, an execution team comprising only women.

Found out so far:
1) The women refused to read the instructions written by men, because that was mansplaining.
2) Errors were made in some calculations (girl maths – or as it was in USA – girl math).
3) They didn’t want to fat shame the condemned, so they entered a lower weight when calculating the dosage.

// for those slow of wit.
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October 3, 2026 2:13pm
- kowtow
  
  Extraordinary the amount of time and ink given over by the western media to this .
  
  Yet, relatively next to nothing about the hanging murdering Mullahs in Iran.
  
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  October 3, 2026 2:50pm
- imalwaysright
  
  “// for those slow of wit”
  
  Not too long ago that would have been glaringly obvious.
  These days it could just as easily be true.
  
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