General Debate 28 November 2025
Dave Armstrong writes:
When Andrew Little was elected Wellington mayor six weeks ago, lefties on social media celebrated. …
Andrew Little is in the excellent position of having five loyal Labour councillors on his side, some of whom probably owe their council seat to his win. If there’s a progressive policy like building social housing or creating cycle lanes, Little can call on four Green councillors for support and get the policy through, regardless of what the right-wing independents think.
Similarly, if there is a progressive policy that our mayor thinks too radical or expensive, he can look over to the right and get them on board, with only four Greens voting against. It seems that despite the celebrations of the left and the pessimism of the right, centrism rules OK.
I’m not sure it is centrism as much as realism. It is also learning from Whanau’s mistakes. She refused to ever give the independent Councillors any “wins” at all, and it is hard to have a unified Council if a third of them feel the Mayor hates them and won’t deal with them.
Take the Golden Mile project. The right-wing hates it and doesn’t want a bar of it. They see it as an overly green and disruptive plan that aspires to make Wellington a little Copenhagen or Amsterdam. Andrew Little seems to agree with the project in principle but during the mayoral campaign promised to review it. That, with the support of his Labour councillors and the right-wing independents, is exactly what he’s done.
The meltdown on the left over this has been hilarious. Read The Spinoff and you would think Little has just voted to drop a nuclear bomb on the CBD.
Many elements of the Golden Mile project are uncontroversial. But the major aspect that gets opposition is turning it into a bus only route. This will destroy hundreds of car parks. Some argue that this will increase patronage, but the vast majority of the business owners (ie those with actual lived experience) think it will hurt their businesses, and even close some down. I think we should listen to the people who are most affected.
The bus only proposal is the worst of both worlds. You make it hard for people to drive in, but you still have huge buses hurtling through the Golden Mile. If the vision really is to be a city with a two km long outdoor mall, you should go the whole hog and make it both car and bus free.
Admittedly, the Golden Mile has gone only a smidgen over budget compared to the Town Hall blowout
Only a leftie like Dave could call 100% a smidgen 🙂
In 2020 it was $78 million. In 2023 it was $139 million and now it is $220 million. Sure that is less than the Town Hall blowout, but just because Saturn is smaller than Jupiter, doesn’t mean Saturn isn’t still huge.
The $220 million cost is $2,750 per household in Wellington. We have many households feeling the pinch already, and The Spinoff is sulking that a Mayor who promised lower rates rises is not just whacking ratepayers with a $2,750 bill per household.
The Greens registered their opposition to Ray “Hot Mic” Chung being chair of the council-controlled organisations review and appointments committee, but supported the overall ratification vote for all chairs.
I’m surprised that so many on the left don’t appreciate how cunning Little is being. It is well known that Chung is a better retail politician than getting into the nuts and bolts. Little is effectively giving Chung enough rope to hang himself.
Little has said he will review committee chairs in 18 months. If Chung doesn’t perform as a committee chair, then Little can shuffle him out without it looking like sour grapes for standing against Little. It will be based on performance. It is a very smart tactical move.
Another interesting thing about this council is that it seems to vote more on party lines than the last. On the airport sale, Reading Centre and other issues, Labour, Green and independent councillors were divided. You had right-wingers Tim Brown and John Apanowicz, both no longer councillors, supporting some of Tory Whanau’s policies, while Labour’s Nureddin Abdurahman and Ben McNulty were opposed. Then you had independents like Sarah Free who often supported the right but not always, or ex-Green Iona Pannett who supported the left on some things, the right on others, and occasionally voted against almost the entire council.
This is an insightful point. All three blocs have changed and become more unified.
I wonder if local Green MPs Julie Anne Genter and Tamatha Paul will face a backlash for the actions of a Green mayor who supported corporate welfare and the privatisation of public assets?
I don’t think they will. If they lose it will be more due to their performance as local MPs. Saying you want fewer police on the beat doesn’t tend to endear you to the housewives of Karori!
With former climate change activist Sophie Handford standing for Labour in Kāpiti, Craig Renney hoping to send Julie Anne Genter on her e-bike in Wellington Bays, and former health minister Ayesha Verrall challenging Tamatha Paul in Wellington North, this anti-government city may be interesting to watch come election time – mainly to see just exactly what flavour of anti-government Wellington chooses.
Both Wellington Bays and Wellington North will be very interesting races. Curia is happy to poll the electorates for any candidates 🙂
Radio NZ reports:
The NRL’s first openly gay player has slammed the NZ Breakers as “cowards” for not wearing the rainbow Pride flag in next year’s NBL Pride Round.
The Breakers are the second club to opt out of the pride jersey since the Round began in 2023, saying it’s to protect individual players from being singled out for their beliefs. Cairns Taipans did the same during the inaugural round, when the players did not wear a pride jersey.
There is a big difference between a sporting club being supportive of gay players and forcing players to wear a flag or logo which has political connotations.
Players can personally be 100% supportive of team mates who are gay, lesbian etc but also disagree on related political issues such as same sex marriage etc.
The Herald reports:
A probe into conflict-of-interest allegations at the Teaching Council was sparked by a whistle blower’s claims the agency spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in public funds on an advertising firm run by the CEO’s husband.
An anonymous letter sent to Education Minister Erica Stanford in June this year, obtained by the Herald, claims Clemenger BBDO received up to $800,000 from the council for advertising and consultancy work. Brett Hoskin, who is married to Teaching Council chief executive Lesley Hoskin, is Clemenger Wellington’s managing director.
As first reported by the Herald, Lesley Hoskin went on a period of agreed leave last month amid an independent investigation into her conduct.
There’s two seperate issues here. The first is just wasteful spending. It is hard to imagine who a regulatory body would need to spend $800,000 with an advertising firm. That is around 5% of their entire budget.
The second is whether Clemenger got the contract through a transparent constable process, and one in which Hoskin was entirely recused due to her conflict of interest.
The fact that she is on leave while there is an investigation would suggest the answer is no. If she had notified the Board of the conflict and recused herself from all decision making around it, then there would not be much to investigate.
The NZ Crime and Victims’ Survey has released its latest data to August 2025, and it is staggering how much violent crime has dropped. When you declare war on the gangs, instead of funding them, the results can be amazing.

This shows the number of victims of violent crime over the previous 12 months. It peaked at 215,000 in the year from July 23 to June 24 and has dropped to 147,000 in the year September 24 to August 25. That is a staggering 32% drop and 68,000 fewer victims of violent crime.

This shows the number of Māori who are victims of violent crime. This has dropped an even larger 44% and that is 27,000 fewer Maori victims of violent crime.
What do you think has impacted Maori in New Zealand more – 27,000 fewer of them being victims of violent crime – or not mentioning the Treaty of Waitangi enough in the Maths curriculum?
Where are all the releases from Iwi, from Te Pati Maori etc celebrating this huge reduction?
The Herald reports:
Two senior police leaders visited disgraced former deputy commissioner Jevon McSkimming for the purpose of a welfare check because he was distressed and his wife was “incredibly distraught”, sources have told the Herald.
There was an official welfare contact appointed by the Police. They were not it.
Former deputy commissioner Tania Kura and another current leader visited McSkimming after he was charged over possessing objectionable material but before he admitted the offending in court.
This is the key aspect – it was after he was charged. What signal do they think it sends to junior police (who made the decision to arrest and charge) when they see their superiors visiting the person they have charged?
A police source said the pair’s decision to visit McSkimming was at the request of his wife and not unusual given the circumstances.
“Tania and [the other leader] visited him strictly as a welfare check – something they’ve both done many times for staff in serious strife. They would have done the same for Commissioner Richard Chambers if it were him, or for any other staff member,” the source told the Herald.
There is a difference between strife and having been criminally charged. It is disturbing they can’t see it.
However, Chambers has been highly critical of Kura and the other officer, telling Herald NOW when he found out about the visit he expressed “huge disappointment” in the pair’s actions.
“Lack of judgment, poor decision making. I addressed it with former Deputy Commissioner Tania Kura and one other member of the senior leadership team,” he said.
He said when a person is facing serious criminal charges it “wasn’t wise for any member of police to visit”, and he didn’t think there was any legitimate reason why Kura would do so.
The sensible thing for Kura to have done would have been to discuss the fact she had been contacted by McSkimming’s wife with the Commissioner and seek guidance as to what they should do.
The IPCA’s report said Kura assumed any problematic matters regarding McSkimming would have been flushed out during the top-secret security vettingboth she and McSkimming had to go through prior to getting their roles.
The job of the Police is to investigate, not to assume.
In 2013/14 the youth smoking rate for 15 to 17 year olds was 8.9% or 1 in 11 youth. In the latest NZ Health Survey results it is down to 0.7% or 1 in 140 youth. There is little doubt that this is because more youth are vaping instead of smoking. And while it is best if people neither vape nor smoke, vaping is far far less harmful than smoking.
This drop to 0.7% is great. If kids don’t start smoking when under 18, then they might never start.
The Government has announced major local government reforms, with one major aspects that Regional Councillors will be replaced by local Mayors. One of the problems of Regional Councils is that when they do a crap job, there is no real way to sack them as there is no elected Mayor, and to sack a majority of the Council would take massive co-ordination over the region.
Key details proposed are:
Looks like a vast improvement to me.
ACT has listed ten reasons to oppose Labour’s Capital Gains Tax. They are:
I oppose Labour’s CGT, but am not opposed in principle to a CGT if it followed these principles. They are:
The Greens announced:
Today, the Greens are announcing that a Green Government will commit to revoking any consents or permits handed out under the fast-track process for coal, Hardrock gold and seabed mining.
This is the Greens saying that they will revoke consents and permits that were legally granted. This is the sort of behaviour you expect from marxist dictators in Africa, not in developed countries.
Thomas Coughlan writes:
The attacks made by National, Act and NZ First, that the party is all theatrics and no substance, and that its MPs never bother spending much time in Parliament, have begun to land – even Labour leader Chris Hipkins this week was explicit that he wanted to see the leadership in Parliament more.
It’s a pity Parliament doesn’t release attendance data for the House and select committees. It would be very very telling.
Proverbial chickens have come home to roost. The party has placed too much emphasis on style, social media, and assorted theatrics, at the expense of policy and hard graft in Parliament. On its worst days, it’s a party of influencers. As a result, it has almost nothing to show for the past five years in Parliament beyond changing the parliamentary dress code (a change that may soon be reversed).
Their only achievement from five years in Parliament is the dress code. What a waste of space.
The Post reports:
Whitcoulls management have ordered staff to refuse all customer requests for a local literary journal it deems offensive, and to send its remaining stock back to the publisher.
Last week Whitcoulls pulled copies of the recently published Folly issue three from its shelves, citing offensive content that didn’t fit with the retailer’s brand identity as a family-friendly store, according to an email The Post has seen. It was to be made available only on request.
Folly is an independent literary publication of writing and art, published annually in New Zealand. Each issue blends established and emerging voices. …
Broadmore is still in the dark on the exact reason for Folly being pulled from shelves in the first place, however one Whitcoulls staff member told her it may have been to do with the word ‘f…’ being included the issue’s inner cover page. The word is used in a poem by Australian writer Rachel Apps, entitled It Costs F… All To Look This Cheap.
Whitcoulls has the right to stock what it chooses, but it does seem to be overly puritanical. The f word on an inside cover may have been shocking in 1970, but hardly in 2025.
Chile has just had elections, the first with compulsory voting. They voted for the Chamber of Deputies, half the Senate and the first round for the President.
The President is currently Gabriel Boric, who can’t stand again. He is a socialist and not very popular with a -30% net approval rating. An uber-woke constitution he proposed was rejected massively a couple of years ago.
The results of the first round of voting was:
It goes to a run-off of the top two. One would regard Kast as the favourite as the four right candidates got 70% between them.
In the Chamber of Deputies the left parties got 44% and centrist and right parties got 54%. One in five votes were blank.
However the left parties did gain a majority in the Senate.
Politico reports:
House Democrats are back at work — and, boy, are they mad.
They’re mad at the Senate Democrats who cut them out of negotiations and cut the deal to reopen the government after a record 43-day shutdown. They’re mad at Speaker Mike Johnson for keeping the House out of session all that time for what they’re calling a “seven-week paid vacation.” And they’re mad that, after all that, there’s still no clear path forward on meeting their key demand — an extension of health insurance subsidies that expire next month.
The Democrats basically achieved nothing for their 43 day shutdown. It was obvious Trump would never give into their demands, but still they insisted on a 43 day shutdown so they would feel they were doing something.
Politico reports:
Israel’s president and high-ranking military officials on Wednesday condemned attacks a day earlier by Jewish settlers against Palestinians in the West Bank, calling for an end to a growing wave of settler violence in the occupied territory.
President Isaac Herzog described the attacks as “shocking and serious,” adding a rare and powerful voice to what has been muted criticism by top Israeli officials of the settler violence. Herzog’s position, while largely ceremonial, is meant to serve as a moral compass and unifying force for the country.
Israeli settlers who attack Palestinians should be prosecuted and jailed. I’m glad the President has spoken out, but what is needed is the PM to instruct the legal authorities to stamp it out with serious consequences for those who take part.
A guest post by Peter Lynn:
Over the last 30 years, state sectors of Western democracies have expanded and senior level state employment, with its high pay, security and access to the levers of power became a magnet for the academically gifted, especially independence minded younger women. University educated they initially moved into ministries before spreading back into academia, and out to media, consultancies, mainstream political parties, the legal profession (including the judiciary), local government and lately, HR departments of larger corporates. During this period their political centre of gravity moved sharply left- at least partly driven by self-interest as they accrued advantages from an ever-larger government sector.
During this process they disconnected from their wider populations. Remaining family connections slowed this somewhat, but even by the early 2000’s they had rejected more traditional values in favour of social liberalism and often, an oppressed/oppressors world view. Deep into hubris and secure in their new-found wealth and power, they dived into various fashions, fads and luxury diseases. With influence in excess of their numbers, many of these causes became public policy.
But trust in the institutions they subverted has gradually eroded and by 2025 signs of a peasant’s revolt were unmistakable, notwithstanding the cancel culture and lawfare (use of legal process to intimidate) that this new elite employs to suppress dissent.
Growing opposition to destructive fashionable causes such as Open Borders (social divisions and escalating crime), Black Lives Matter (and others don’t?), Me Too (repudiation of due process and innocence until proven guilty), Gender Identity (particularly the abomination of irreversibly ‘transitioning’ mixed up kids) and Body Positive (being obese is good!?), are a sign of the push back. The rise and rise of reactionary political movements outside traditional parties is another: Trump, AfD, Reform and etc.
That there is such a revolt building is deplored by its target of course- they accuse Trumpists and other reactionaries of fomenting a culture war. But their embrace of identity politics and other spurious social justice causes set it off. Nor are they correct in labelling opposition as ‘extreme right’. Resistance is coming from ordinary people – many of whom have previously voted Left. Trump and other reactionaries are symptoms not a cause.
What is startling is the destructiveness of their various fashionable issues. It almost seems like this is intentional.
Here are some of the main ones:
Net Zero: Policies by which various Western countries have committed to zero emissions on unrealistic timeframes. Not that global warming isn’t an existential problem, but net zero fails in every way: it increases rather than decreases global emissions by shifting emissions to other countries (since 2008, the UK has de-commissioned 22 coal fired power stations while China has built around 850 new ones) and rising energy costs severely damage home economies. Energy costs rise exponentially as the percentage of wind and solar increases because of expensive ‘grid forming’ inverters, over-sized transmission lines to cover intermittency, and the cost of keeping dispatchable generation on standby. By 30% wind and solar, total energy bills roughly double – Australia, the UK and Germany for example. Above 30%, with battery storage, costs are likely to double again. Urban elites are insulated from these costs by their wealth, but the people they make the rules for are not. The peasants are stirring as their energy bills increasingly make a mockery of the “renewables are cheaper” mantra still being peddled by some governments. Net zero goals are delusional, an emperor with no clothes.
Multiculturalism: Denying thousands of years of treachery, violence and warfare between different ethnicities, religions and cultures, our liberal political classes have the delusion that cultures competing for dominance in the same space can live in peace and harmony. They generally don’t- Lebanon with its 18 official religions and endless civil wars for example. Even Belgium with historic tensions between Walloons and Flemish remains uneasy. Culturally homogenous countries like Korea, Japan, and Denmark are generally peaceful, harmonious- and prosperous. In countries with incompatible cultures, emphasizing and promoting shared values and goals can keep the peace while divergent groups coalesce- which generally happens over the longer term providing no-one stokes the grievance industry. The ‘American dream’ provides a positive model. Now, Western countries with their ‘celebrate differences’ mantra, promotion of victimhood and rewards for claiming discrimination, inflame divisions and impede this process. Integration and assimilation have become dirty words. Unthinkable even 30 years ago, the possibility of civil war is now openly discussed in the UK and in New Zealand, energetic promotion of Maori exceptionalism by the liberal establishment has created expectations that seem unlikely to be peaceably resolved.
Open borders: A subset of multiculturism, many Western countries have been welcoming people from very different cultures with almost no restrictions: granting access to social services and explicitly not requiring or even encouraging integration. Sweden is the poster child for this: after 20 years of such policies, it is no longer an envied Nordic country. Their economy is underperforming, social cohesion has collapsed, educational standards have plummeted, and crime has skyrocketed. In countries that have gone down this path, policy makers live in safe secure neighbourhoods while populations at large often become minorities in the own communities, surrounded by people who do not speak their language, do not respect the law and do not ascribe to values such as equality for women. In such areas, crime, and sex crimes in particular, are many times the national averages. Why urban liberals have done this is a mystery- misplaced empathy maybe? But the consequences are dire and long lasting. On this issue the peasant’s revolt is in full swing, with mainstream political parties scrambling to change direction- and to deflect blame.
DEI: Officially standing for Diversity, Equity and Inclusion but in practice re-establishing the Discrimination, Exclusion andInequity that only recently (and imperfectly) gave way to the principle of ‘one law for all’. Recently in the sense that the principles of equality before the law and appointments, employment and promotion based on merit not class, gender, ethnicity or religion slowly and painfully emerged from the 18th century enlightenment in Western countries. Imperfectly because such principles come up against hard wiring to favour kith and kin that evolution has programmed us with. Regression to appointment, employment and promotion based on identity alienates those passed over for being the wrong colour, sex or political opinions. Their growing resentment is a time-bomb. It also drives dis-harmony, instils a sense of entitlement amongst those who are advantaged, and unfairly labels some who are competent with the ‘DEI hire’ pejorative. Worst of all it places people who are not the most competent available into critical roles – a drain on productivity, prosperity, and national competitiveness.
Transgenderism: People should not face discrimination for innate sexual proclivities except when these lead to exploitation and abuse, especially of children. There is wide public support for this view in the West and those with divergent sexual orientations now live their lives substantially free of persecution- and can fully contribute (which they do, often disproportionately). Transgenderism is a bridge too far however- the notion that men can be women and women can be men is nuts (except for < 0.1% with genetic ambiguity) and is rejected by an overwhelming majority whenever such views can be expressed freely. What’s beyond disgusting is that for more than 10 years, transgender activists have been persuading vulnerable mixed-up children- some as young as five but mostly adolescents- to ‘transition’ with puberty blocking drugs that have irreversible long-term effects (like sterility), and even surgery. A significant proportion of children experience bouts of gender dysphoria, often because of unrelated issues, but most eventually get their heads straight again. Now, significant numbers have a life’s sentence of irreversible hormonal and surgical interventions. Fortunately, the high-water mark for this abomination seems to have passed with various medical authorities finally weighing in on the science (delayed by personal attacks and threats to their careers). The silent majority is finding its voice on this issue.
Palestine: The perennial intractable international issue- justice for one side being injustice for the other. A principle for deciding who to support in global conflicts is to go with the protagonist whose values are closest to those you think will make the world a better place. For me, freedom of beliefs, one law for all and representative government are definitive. Hence, I support Ukraine because an expanded Russia will make the world a worse place. Taiwan over China for the same reason- and Israel over Palestinians because Israel, for all its current outrageous military adventurism is a democracy, operates by the rule of law and allows diversity of religions and beliefs- while Islamic societies do not. Weirdly, if there’s one cause that binds liberal urban elites into a global tribe it is support for Palestine. Weird because Palestinian culture is in almost every way antithetical to urban liberal values of equality- for women of course but also for homosexuals and newly defined sexual identities. Islamic societies treat homosexuality harshly and women are the property of their closest male relative, cloistered at will. That affluent Western women with feminist credentials support or, at least, do not much criticise cultures that practice honour killing and genital mutilation is a signal hypocrisy. Palestine has become a notable fracture line in the culture war: urban elites are strongly (and stridently) supportive while the peasants, not so much- whenever they have opportunity to express their views free of intimidation and censorship.
Self-Loathing: The liberal establishment has come to loathe the culture that built and now sustains the world that enables their privilege. Statues are cast down, Europeans are denigrated as colonisers (might as well be for walking on two legs- also a universal human behavioural trait), history is re-written, science gives way to ‘feelings’ and ‘indigenous knowledge’. New Zealand earns its place in the world by efficient production of food but has been conducting a ‘war on farming’, loading farmers with productivity destroying regulation (elsewhere too). The preferred organics could at best support a tiny fraction of the world’s current population- but I suspect they don’t see themselves as the ones who will starve and die.
Mining is evil- don’t believe this? – just watch Avatar. Proposed mining projects in the West are besieged by nimbies and dedicated teams intent on finding reasons why they can’t happen- usually the presence of some conveniently discovered species that could be endangered. But metals and minerals are essential underpinnings of our unprecedented (in historical terms) prosperity, freedoms and social justice- that enable urban liberals to indulge their various delusions. Self-harm mental illness on a national scale.
Unfair? If you’re of the class I’ve singled out as culpable, you’re possibly thinking “but I don’t agree with all this either”. Of course, individual views differ within the liberal establishment, but diversity of opinion is discouraged by personal attacks and cancel culture.
If, because of wanting to belong, or fear of losing career and friends, you haven’t stood against this destructiveness, then you’re guilty as charged.
What Now? Will the entrenched political establishments choose power over principle and respond to resistance by some shuffling of the furniture and quietly shelving their more destructive policies?
Or will they increase repression and double down, causing the peasant’s revolt to build and eventually prevail- when the urban elites will fade into the shadows claiming that they ‘never really supported all this nonsense anyway’- like Mao’s Red Guards when they grew up and German people after WW2?
Or will this all become irrelevant when the world is gripped by a global financial meltdown- because nothing destroys delusions as fast as fiscal reality?
Whichever, irrational policies promoted by urban ruling elites that are destructive of prosperity, security and social cohesion need to be cast off if Western countries are to overcome the geopolitical challenges they are now encountering.
Peter Lynn, Ashburton, New Zealand, November 2025
DPF: Note the author is the engineer/kitemaker Peter Lynn, not the financial services executive and trained actuary.
The Putin-Trump proposed peace deal for Ukraine is so horribly bad that it makes Neville Chamberlain’s Munich Agreement with Hitler look visionary.
I will put aside the merely terrible aspects such as Ukraine surrendering Donetsk, rewarding Russia with G8 membership to focus on the two most egregious.
The first is that Ukraine must reduce its armed forces to 600,000 personnel. You would think Ukraine invaded Russia, not vice-versa. This reduces the size of their military from 4.9 million to 600,000 – an 88% reduction. The effect of this is to not only make it much easier for Russia to conquer the rest of Ukraine in the future, but it diminishes the largest military buffer between Russia and the rest of Europe.
The second is that NATO promises never to take in more members. Not just never take in Ukraine, but also Armenia, Georgia, Moldova etc. So this allows Putin in a few years to invade these countries knowing they can never rely on NATO.
This is truly terrible. It is worse than Chamberlain’s Munich agreement in that it rewards Putin for his invasion of Ukraine by not just giving him more of Ukraine, but wearing Ukraine and NATO to make it easier for him to carry on in future.
The US Government has announced they will allow 50 year mortgages, to try and help aspiring home owners.
A 50 year mortgage is a terrible idea. It means people are going to be paying off a mortgage well into their 70s or 80s, but even worse that they will pay so much more in interest.
Let’s say you borrow $500,000 and the average interest rate is 7%, for a 30 years term. You get:
Now for a 50 year term it is:
So for a smallish cashflow saving of $74 a week, you end up paying an extra $608,000 in interest.
This doesn’t help homeowners, it impoverishes them.

This is a very interesting chart from FIRE.
They report:
While political affiliation makes people more biased towards speakers who share their views, it affects their overall willingness to let speakers speak, regardless of ideology, very little. But regardless of party or ideology, men are so much more tolerant than women that the gender tolerance gap dominates the ideology difference. In fact, men are over 3.5 times more likely than women to be “perfectly tolerant” of opposing views, meaning they would definitely allow any campus speaker.
Who would have thought it is men who are the tolerant gender!
They conclude:
Amazingly, it turns out men are often more tolerant of the opposite side than women are of their own side.
This is of course US data. Would be interesting to see if it replicates in NZ.