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Nikola Donatello

I would not normally pay attention to such articles but in this case, the article does cite some substantive sources.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360899463/revealed-billion-dollar-trade-partners-worried-about-nzs-climate-backdowns

Of course the lesson is do not put such provisions in trade agreements, especially with the EU. It is a licence to blackmail. The provisions looked cool when we had just passed the Zero Carbon Act. With only one MP opposed. Not so much now when it is clear that the commitments cannot be met. Not even close.

I suspect that it is not one thing that has caused ripples in the EU. It is a few things.

– the reduced methane target
– the reversal on gas exploration and government support for that
– the uncoupling of the ETS cap from the Paris commitments.

The last one is not mentioned in the article but it is, in my opinion, the most significant. It is an unequivocal signal that the Government knows that it cannot meet the commitments.

All so predictable. Will the EU and/or the UK formally move to trigger the climate change clauses in the Free Trade Agreements? No idea. If they do so, it will be politically damaging.

Some lessons here. Stop signing up to climate change commitments that are either impossible or ruinous. Even worse, do not hand a stick to other nations to beat you with when it becomes apparent to the world that you are not serious about meeting the commitments.
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November 27, 2025 8:02am
- cmm
  
  “Will the EU and/or the UK formally move to trigger the climate change clauses in the Free Trade Agreements?”
  
  I have not read the FTA but I suspect this rule applies bi-laterally (ie. it is imposed on both UK and NZ). If so, then UK can just back out of their obligations too. They just don’t want to be the first to blink.
  
  Adding Climate hoo-haa to an FTA is really poor policy making. Policies should not be conflated like this. They should be orthogonal.
  
  I am surprised that NZ entered an FTA without requiring that the other party agree to the terms of the Treaty.
  
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  November 27, 2025 8:23am
  - Mod88
    
    No as they themselves already breach said Trade Agreements, also this from Euro News this morning.
    
    European Parliament agrees to dilute and postpone EU deforestation rules
    
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    November 27, 2025 8:28am
    - Nikola Donatello
      
      Whether they are in breach or whether New Zealand is in breach will need an army of lawyers to figure out.
      
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      November 27, 2025 8:36am
      - cmm
        
        Everyone looses…. except the bureaucrats, lawyers and bean counters.
        
        No doubt this will require a delegation from each country fly to some wonderful exotic location to all have a good old chin-wag and tell us how bad we are.
        
        Cancun is now old-hat. Where to next? Seychelles is good this time of year. Everyone can go and experience the coral first hand.
        
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        November 27, 2025 9:23am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Seychelles – Yes. And they can witness first hand how sea level rise is affecting the multi million dollar seaside resorts built by Saudi Arabia a few years ago. How the tides are still 100 meters away and there is -YET – no danger of the islands being inundated – but just wait a little bit longer.
        Piffle – another one of the maybe hundreds of predictions that have not eventuated and never will.
        
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        November 27, 2025 11:23am
  - Nikola Donatello
    
    Good point. I just had a quick look. The UK committed to a 68 percent reduction in emissions by 2030. Not sure what the base year is. Looks like they are not on track
    
    It is like all these nations are involved in this trillion dollars game of chicken. It is all an Alice in Wonderland illusion. Nobody wants to be the first to blink.
    
    Sorry for mixing metaphors.
    
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    November 27, 2025 8:35am
    - All_on_Red
      
      The UK is being told they risk Gas supply shortages too…
      ‘Ministers must act now to address an “emerging risk to gas supply security,” the government’s official independent energy advisers have warned.’
      ‘Britain is projected to have sufficient gas supplies for normal weather scenarios by winter 2030/31, but in the event of severe cold weather and an outage affecting key infrastructure, supply would fall well short of demand, NESO projects.’
      https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-ministers-warned-of-emerging-risk-to-gas-supply-security/
      
      I doubt we would see mutual agreement to Breach the Agreement while Labour is in power but Reform or the Tories might be different.
      
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      November 27, 2025 8:47am
      - Dudley Quaffquaff
        
        It says (my italicization)
        
        The scenario in the report involves what the NESO calls the “unlikely event” of a one-in-20-year cold spell lasting 11 days alongside the loss of vital infrastructure.
        
        Harks back to yesterday’s conversation about acquiring an ocean-going tug. How much is it worth spending on something that’s extremely unlikely ever to be used? And what makes these people think that the Government, spending other people’s money, is likely to make wiser decisions about that than the market?
        
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        November 27, 2025 11:49am
      - Colville
        
        Dudley.
        Here in Hawkes Bay new houses close to the sea are built at a floor level to withstand a 1 in a 1000 year tsunami….
        
        Is that extremely unlikely enough?
        
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        November 27, 2025 12:17pm
    - cmm
      
      The UK’s emissions reductions are complete bullshit anyway.
      
      How the UK reduces emissions by burning carbon neutral fuels:
      * Cut down native trees in USA.
      * Chip the tree.
      * Load onto barges and float them down the Mississippi.
      * Load them onto bulk carriers. Ship across the ocean to UK.
      * Load onto trucks and trains.
      * Offload at biofuel power station.
      * Sustainably burn the wood chips and generate carbon neutral electricity.
      
      Box ticked.
      
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      November 27, 2025 9:27am
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        In the UK Daily Mail a few days back, there was an article by Richard Tice, Reform Party, on the Green boondoggle that is the Drax Power Station. Read it.
        
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        November 27, 2025 10:39am
  - Paulus
    
    When I find money getting shorter I review all my committments and decide which ones to get rid of,
    – I hope this is the same common sense ?
    
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    November 27, 2025 9:16am
  - Burtland
    
    heres a link to the EU agreement – 4012 pages – lucky someone invented AI
    
    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L_202400866#page=1
    
    Heres the gaslighting that goes to explain it
    
    https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/trade/free-trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements-in-force/new-zealand-european-union-free-trade-agreement
    
    another Labour failure
    
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    November 27, 2025 10:52am
    - NothingLeft
      
      another Labour Failure at this stage that is Tautological.
      
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      November 27, 2025 2:45pm
- Spam
  
  The EU has been protectionist since forever. I suspect that under normal circumstances, they will be more than happy to look for any excuse to cancel free-trade.
  
  However. Net Zero is having a disastrous effect on the EU. Energy prices are sky rocketing, forcing deindustrializing at a rapid pace. For many, this is a feature, not a bug, but for the voting class it appears they are sick of it. With the games being played to gerrymander and screw the scrum on voting, will it matter?
  
  Probably not, until it does.
  
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  November 27, 2025 8:34am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Winston Raymond Peters entered Parliament in 1978 following the Hunua by-election. He has been a long serving Foreign Minister and internationally recognised as one of the best and Deputy Prime Minister. He would have been the first Maori Prime Minister if he and Jim Bolger hadnt fallen out in 1993. He is also a Monarchist.
  I predict the party that offers him the Prime Ministership for the second half of the next term following him being Foreign Minister in the first half and a knighthood after he retires at the end of the term will lead the next Government. He will have been an MP on and off for 51 years and one of the longest serving MPs.
  I say forget about policies and all that stuff. Some times politics is complicated some times its simple. In this case its simple.
  PS. If both major parties makes the offer Winston will decide on how he feels on the day.
  
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  November 27, 2025 9:22am
  - peterwn
    
    Winston would meet the usual criteria for a knighthood and would certainly be knighted upon his retirement from politics if not before.
    I consider that Winston’s impetuousness and impatience cost him his chance of being the National Party and hence Prime Minister.
    I think both National and Labour would consider allowing him to be Prime Minister (even for 18 months) would be a step too far. Constitutionally the PM once appointed selects his or her Ministerial team. Labour has an internal requirement which binds its leader that its Caucus elects members of a Labour cabinet (although in practice the leader would be able to concede positions to a minor party). I think it is extremely unlikely that either major political party would want to allow an ‘outside’ PM to be able potentially to choose, hire or fire Ministers.
    
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    November 27, 2025 10:10am
    - Mike
      
      More likely that National and Labour form a coalition to reduce the influence of the rabble parties.
      
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      November 27, 2025 10:13am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Don’t talk Rubbish, Luxon ruled out that possibility ever happening way back in January 21
        
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        November 27, 2025 1:58pm
      - Dougal10
        
        The more hipkins opens his mouth the nuttier he becomes this is blowing any chance of a grand coalition .
        
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        November 27, 2025 2:35pm
  - pdm
    
    Peters got in as the Hunua Electorate MP only after a court case or was it a judicial review – it was that close.
    
    He may well have become the first Maori Prime Minister but that would have heavily depended on the National Party hierarchy allowing that.
    
    I am not so sure they would have especially if there was resistance in Caucus.
    
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    November 27, 2025 10:18am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Mr Peters lodged an electoral petition challenging the validity of votes cast. A number of the votes cast were disallowed and Mr Peters turned an election nite loss of 301 votes into a majority of 192 votes.
      
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      November 27, 2025 11:01am
    - peterwn
      
      He would have had enormous goodwill from the Party at the beginning. So if the Party Caucus had elected him their leader it would at the time have had widespread goodwill within and beyond the Party. He would have maintained that goodwill until he had been in the job too long. But as I said previously he was too impetuous, impatient and stubborn.
      
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      November 27, 2025 1:15pm
      - R
        
        Nothing has changed!
        
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        November 27, 2025 3:35pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Winston is responsible for more economic destruction of NZ than any other politician living or dead. He is a fucking cancer on NZ preying on stupid mostly elderly or low-information ‘vibe’ voters with short memories of the crap he has been responsible for over a career that is 5x longer than it should have been after he outed himself as a massive Narcissist and Winston-Firster in the 1980’s.
    
    The weak govts he has forced the creation of, especially the Ardern abomination – and the policy pork and outright corruption he has demanded to be in control of as a sine qua non of those govts are a national shame.
    
    Any grey haired political tragic promoting him on kiwiblog ought to be ashamed. His relationship to the voters of NZ is abusive and exploitative.
    
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    November 27, 2025 2:54pm
  - Jake Dee
    
    Winston Peters is 80 years old, I like the guy, he’s earned his chapter in the history of New Zealand, but by the time we’re next due to go to the polls he’ll be ~82.
    Jim Bolger died recently at age 90 but he was out of the political game at age 67
    David Lange was out of the game at 54 and dead at 63.
    Rob Muldoon got out of the game a year before he died at the age of 70.
    The statistics do not look good, anyone can see that giving Peters the top job or any senior position is a huge risk.
    
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    November 28, 2025 12:28am
- lastmanstanding
  
  A thought for all the Climate Change enthusiasts out there. Why not have a Carbon Footprint Tax. Make it neutral.
  Heres how its would work. The greater your climate footprint the more tax you pay. Below a certain level you get a refund.
  So those who do lots of air travel and drive lots of miles and live in mansions etc would pay lots of tax. Those of us who dont fly drive every little live in modest houses would get a big tax refund.
  No. I didnt think the Elites would like this. It would cost them rather than the peasants they rule.
  
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  November 27, 2025 9:53am
  - Cassandra
    
    And the point would be? A much better idea would be to scrap the whole thing on the quiet, claim all sorts of success and trumpet a whole lot of nonsense ie the green Palestine playbook. Might have to stop a few visas too.
    
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    November 27, 2025 10:07am
  - Taieri
    
    Why not have a Carbon Footprint Tax.
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    I’d support it if it was to be an additional tax, on the top of all other taxes. With no discounts for modest houses and such likes.
    It would have to comply with the principles of Te Tiriti of course.
    
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    November 27, 2025 10:09am
  - Flossie
    
    Imagine the cost of administering such a convoluted scheme!
    
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    November 27, 2025 11:15am
  - rouppe
    
    What’s the size of the house got to do with carbon footprint.
    
    Given our houses are usually made from wood, the bigger the house the more carbon is sequestered in it.
    
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    November 27, 2025 11:21am
  - Dudley Quaffquaff
    
    That’s actually the effect in practice of emissions trading
    
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    November 27, 2025 11:50am
- Master Mariner
  
  “Will the EU and/or the UK formally move to trigger the climate change clauses in the Free Trade Agreements”,
  They better hurry up before there own countries self destruct.
  All these FTA would of been under Tim Grosser’s tenure.
  
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  November 27, 2025 10:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They started under Grocer, but ruined by O’Connor he had his girth hands all over those 2 deals that were simply required thanks to Brexit, the British deal is rat shit for our farmers
    
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    November 27, 2025 2:03pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  [Mod – nothing to do with what is being discussed]
  
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  November 27, 2025 10:53am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    I thought this was called General Debate as is anything and everything can be raised.
    
    [Mod – instead of trying to hijack a conversation with something completely irrelevant, start you own]
    
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    November 27, 2025 1:17pm
- wsk12345
  
  did anyone hear Simon Watts on HDPA last night “clearing up” confusion about the $20 billion we “owe” (or will) for not meeting our commitments. Have to say, he didn’t reduce confusion one iota over here, but hey at least he fronted 🙂
  
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  November 27, 2025 10:59am
  - Mike
    
    Mr Watts’s pre-parliamentary career as an accountant can hardly have prepared him with sufficient linguistic skills to explain how the country will simultaneously meet its Paris Agreement commitments while also meeting modest ambitions for economic growth.
    
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    November 27, 2025 12:23pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Willis stated yesterday that it is utter bollocks that we will be paying one cent to other counties, it is not a straight out charge for not meeting targets, and the target are just that a target. It’s not a compulsory bar to cross.
    
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    November 27, 2025 2:05pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Just two years ago Treasury made the very sound conclusion that we would not hit our decadal emissions target for 2030 and thus we will have to buy carbon credits.
    
    That report plays out three scenarios for the resulting gap, from worst-case to best-case gap of 114.1 Mt, 99.2 Mt, and 88 Mt.
    
    So what’s that going to cost? Well this is where even more assumptions get applied, this time to what a carbon credit will cost in 2030 and beyond. The Treasury estimates appear to be $95.1 (Avg current prices), $41 (developing nations), and $227 (advanced nations), resulting in a cost ranging from $3.3 billion to $23.7 billion (clearly they weren’t using the gap estimates from that report). Why developing nations would sell us their cheap credits instead of leaving us to trade with the likes of France is not examined.
    
    My estimate, assuming we can cut the emissions by 5% per year from here on, is a gap of 148.7 Mt, meaning a cost of $33.75 billion some time after 2030, if we have to buy from other developed nations.
    
    Did Mr Watts address any of this? Was he even asked?
    
    I can tell you that when I had the chance to have a conversation with Mr Hoggard (ACT) about this he basically threw his hands up in the air and said that everybody is just waiting for the thing to collapse.
    
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    November 27, 2025 5:10pm
- Philview
  
  I would bet that the UK and NZ Labour Party networks have this covered.
  
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  November 27, 2025 11:07am
- Dougal10
  
  If you string the ex minister against agriculture o’conner up by his feet and flog him with a big moa feather he might let you in on why he put this shit in the trade agreement.
  
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  November 27, 2025 2:29pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Pretty sure it’s also got treaty sensitive issues tied to it as well
    
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    November 27, 2025 5:50pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  As I said back on October 20:
  
  There are 30 nations that emit at least 0.5% of annual GHG emissions, adding up to 57% of total annual emissions.
  
  Of that 30, 21 have failed to register updated Nationally Determined Contributions (NDCs) as required by Article 3 of the 2015 Paris Agreement.
  
  This even after the deadline was extended from February to September 2025.
  
  There have been no consequences for these nations.
  
  The 9 countries that did comply account for 25% of all emissions but one of them was the USA (11%) and of course they’ve now pulled out.
  
  So basically we’ve got 71% of the world’s GHG emissions effectively uncommitted, which pretty much screws the Paris Agreement, and nothing will change at COP30, which will be as farcical as the previous ten.
  
  I suppose we’ll just have to watch this thing collapse before we have the “courage” to ignore it. Let’s hope we haven’t destroyed our energy systems before that happens.
  
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  November 27, 2025 5:01pm
peterwn

Jury has returned a not guilty verdict in the Mt Wellington trial. Landlady wanted the defendant couple out and hired a ‘heavy’ to ‘encourage’ them to leave. Heavy ‘home invaded’ their accommodation and pulled a knife on the couple when they refused to leave, the male partner grabbed another knife and stabbed the heavy. Couple beat up the heavy and he died.
The couple would have believed that their lives were at risk given the posturing of the heavy and because he produced a knife. This would be the first leg of ‘self defence’. The couple were entitled to make a reasonable response to the situation – the stabbing would have been a reasonable response in my opinion, but what followed (where the heavy died) was arguably over the top. Hence the murder charges.

Now a ‘redneck’ view would be that the heavy created the situation and therefore ‘had it coming’. However we are in a civilised society and this type of ‘self help’ justice is generally unacceptable.
A point raised by the defence was that death was inevitable with the first stabbing and that would have been the act of murder were it not for the ‘self defence’ argument. Hence anything after that point, despite being abhorrent, did not contribute to murder.

So it was not really surprising that the jury was divided with the judge accepting a majority ‘not guilty’ verdict after seven hours deliberation.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland/mt-wellington-homicide-jury-find-couple-not-guilty-of-murder-after-soldier-stormed-their-house-with-knife/B56S6KBHRVFCZMLDI56AZES6KY/

That makes me wonder why the Crown even brought the case given that the ‘self defence’ argument was very likely to succeed and the heavy was doomed after the initial stabbing. But the prosecutor would have been influenced by the acts that followed. One way the prosecutor could have handled it was to concede that the murder charge would fail but charge the couple with assault causing grievous bodily harm. The assault with GBH would most probably have been found proven.

There is another issue. The couple did not wake up in the morning and decide they were going to do what amounted to a serious crime that day. The heavy woke up having decided that he was going to commit a serious crime that day – the home invasion and if his intimidation attempt failed then further serious crimes. So even if the couple had been convicted of murder, the usual sentence (life with probably a 17 year minimum since on the surface s104 would have been engaged) could have been considered ‘manifestly unjust’ and a five year sentence could have sufficed.

One last thing – the couple were free to leave when paperwork had been competed. The Herald article did not indicate the circumstances, but that may have been unlawful. Once a judge announces a ‘not guilty’ verdict any reason for the accused to remain in custody immediately lapses and the accused is immediately free (unless remanded or sentenced on a different matter). In another case an acquitted prisoner refused to return to the cells and the judge told the guards to immediately release him into the courtroom so he could exit in the usual manner.

I nearly commented on this case a few weeks ago, but that would have been inappropriate as a juror may have read Kiwiblog and Mr Plod may have come to see me.
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November 27, 2025 8:02am
- BananaLlama
  
  iirc you are not required to flee from your home you are required to lock yourself inside and call the police. If he forced himself inside and tried to assault the residents, then yeah, no surprise the majority found them not guilty.
  
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  November 27, 2025 8:20am
  - peterwn
    
    The Self Defence law (S48 Crimes Act) was simplified some years ago. There is no requirement for a person at risk to put him/her self out of potential danger (either by fleeing or locking yourself in a room). The one thing you must not do is shoot at a fleeing offender since you have no basis to believe you are in danger.
    The accommodation in question was a ‘rooming house or boardinghouse’ with communal areas and individual lodgers. So the heavy was able to enter the complex either through an unlocked door or a key provided by the landlady. As the couple were in their room the door was probably unlocked or again the heavy had the landlady’s key. So the heavy was able to enter peacefully but committed ‘burglary’ when entering the couple’s room, or possibly when entering the complex. The heavy had weapons so his entry would have definitely been unlawful.
    
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    November 27, 2025 8:49am
    - kiwimike
      
      PEACEFULLY
      with a knife….
      You are a fool…
      
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      November 28, 2025 12:36am
- Fender
  
  And the landlord? Surely she’s got some explaining to do
  
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  November 27, 2025 8:22am
  - peterwn
    
    Potentially yes. However the couple had more on their minds prior to being acquitted and anyway any Tenancy Tribunal action would be in abeyance until criminal matters were cleared. The couple would now be at liberty to ask the Tribunal to award them damages for arranging an unlawful eviction.
    
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    November 27, 2025 10:15am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Fender, it looks like she has broken the law.
    
    Crimes Act:
    
    “66Parties to offences
    (1)
    
    Every one is a party to and guilty of an offence who—
    (a)
    actually commits the offence; or
    (b)
    does or omits an act for the purpose of aiding any person to commit the offence; or
    (c)
    abets any person in the commission of the offence; or
    (d)
    incites, counsels, or procures any person to commit the offence.”
    
    Hopefully she gets tried soon.
    
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    November 27, 2025 11:23am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Will she be in court next?
    
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    November 27, 2025 10:53pm
- kowtow
  
  Were the tenants breaching any orders to quit ?
  
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  November 27, 2025 8:39am
  - peterwn
    
    Possibly, but that does not justify a force-able eviction. Correct course is to get a court/tribunal order then bailiffs will enforce the order.
    
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    November 27, 2025 8:51am
    - kowtow
      
      Couldn’t agree more but the full facts and context surely matter .
      
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      November 27, 2025 9:32am
- cmm
  
  The issue here is not the original stabbing in the neck but the subsequent actions on the patio to “get him” and finish him off.
  
  One might argue that the dude was bleeding out so any subsequent injury had no impact on whether he would live or die. However that is generally a poor argument. What should matter was the intent of the people at the time which was clearly to “get him” and finish him off after the threat would seem to have been neutralized.
  
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  November 27, 2025 8:43am
  - peterwn
    
    It may have been a poor argument, but it would seem the vast majority of the jury accepted that argument. In cases of this sort, piecing together time sequences or the actual cause and time of death is a big issue and one which forensic pathologists look at very carefully.
    
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    November 27, 2025 8:56am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, jury are far more driven by emotion than rational argument.
      
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      November 27, 2025 11:52am
- artemisia
  
  The follow up actions, after the neck stab, would one assumes be heavily influenced by adrenaline, fear and shock added to lack of knowledge of the effect of the neck stab.
  
  Also, one assumes, the landlord had legal options to evict even if they were not acceptable for some reason.
  
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  November 27, 2025 9:02am
  - peterwn
    
    Re follow-up actions – agreed, someone cannot be expected to think rationally when they have just experienced a sudden life threatening experience.
    The landlady had legal options to evict which would have taken time and were by no means certain of success. Hence her attempt to ‘heavy’ them out illegally.
    
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    November 27, 2025 10:20am
- rouppe
  
  You undermine your own argument I think.
  
  The passage of the law is S188 (or S189):
  
  …who, with intent to cause grievous bodily harm to any one, wounds, maims, disfigures, or causes grievous bodily harm to any person.
  
  As you said yourself, they didn’t wake up that morning with intent to do any such thing. They were confronted with a serious threat with a knife and S48 provides
  
  Every one is justified in using, in the defence of himself or herself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he or she believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.
  
  Regardless of the tenancy situation, I’m not sure if I’d vote guilty on wounding or injuring with intent on this case.
  
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  November 27, 2025 11:37am
  - peterwn
    
    It was ‘self defence’ right up to the time of stabbing at which point death was inevitable. After that point, the additional ‘force’ was not reasonable, so the accused lost S48 protection. Since the ‘homicide’ was complete at that point, the subsequent behaviour was a serious assault that did not have S48 protection.
    
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    November 27, 2025 1:27pm
- kiwimike
  
  Peterwyn
  as a “redneck” I think you are full of shit.
  The heavy attacked with a weapon.
  Killing him is allowed as a defence, the knife wasn’t to trim their toenails.
  It is quite civilised to kill an enemy with a weapon, only fools say otherwise.
  
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  November 28, 2025 12:34am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360899463/revealed-billion-dollar-trade-partners-worried-about-nzs-climate-backdowns
Beat-up on behalf of the Green Party.
Hopeful speculation v substance.
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November 27, 2025 8:02am
- Nikola Donatello
  
  It would require a lawyer with specialised knowledge to give advice on the relevant provisions in the trade agreements.
  
  However as I note in my separate comment, prima facie this is a potential problem. I stress potential.
  
  New Zealand thought that it was cool to commit to world leading climate change action back when the Zero Carbon Bill was passed. Now the proverbial chickens are coming home to roost. Several years on we have little to show. The flashing warning signal is the decoupling of the ETS cap from the Paris Accord cap. It is an unambiguous sign that New Zealand has given up on net zero.
  
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  November 27, 2025 8:14am
  - Mike
    
    Agreed. The government is simply too cowardly to announce the effect of what it has done and hopes no one will notice that it can’t meet the commitments it has made until it is too late. They are basically hoping the Paris Accord will collapse before admitting NZ is not willing to meet its own responsibilities.
    
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    November 27, 2025 8:37am
    - Taieri
      
      They are basically hoping the Paris Accord will collapse before admitting NZ is not willing to meet its own responsibilities
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      Just as most of other governments…
      
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      November 27, 2025 9:13am
    - RoboRob
      
      They have talked around this but yes, they wont meet the Paris accord but dont want to be the first to pull out. They are praying some of the big guns (apart from the US) pull out first and it collapses. We are not the only nation doing this. Its a giant game of chicken with nobody wanting to blink first.
      
      Sadly for NZ the EU and England seem very wedded to meeting the accord regardless of the damage. We really need them to blink.
      
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      November 27, 2025 9:42am
    - Nikola Donatello
      
      Good grief. The New Zealand public won’t allow any government to meet these “responsibilities”. Because the New Zealand public would go insane and toss out any government that introduced measures to actually achieve net zero.
      
      Remember the post covid oil price spike? The last government was so terrified that it spent a couple of billion subsidising petrol prices.
      
      Your sanctimony is divorced from reality.
      
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      November 27, 2025 10:22am
      - Mike
        
        I wouldn’t describe wanting honesty from our elected representatives as sanctimony.
        
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        November 27, 2025 10:37am
    - Phronesis
      
      The odds are far from 100 percent that they will still be in Government when the chickens come home to roost. Why take the political hit now when you can kick the can down the road and there is a good chance that the opposition will be the ones to wear the consequences.
      
      Our political system in a nutshell.
      
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      November 27, 2025 10:28am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Stop talking crap, they have adjusted a few things that need more time, cowardly is the left trying once again last term to try and close down farming
      
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      November 27, 2025 2:09pm
      - Mike
        
        I should have thought any attempt to shut down farming would be called ‘courageous’ rather than ‘cowardly’.
        
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        November 27, 2025 3:12pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Mike
        
        Trying to shut down farming is criminal and bloody something that should be stamped out immediately.
        
        You are really showing your true colours, we are a trading country, we have nothing else ffs
        
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        November 27, 2025 5:52pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Most of what i send to the yards ends up in China and the USA …. not the EU so which exports are under threat exactly? They seem to be angry that we are developing our own Natural Gas reserves so it’s being implied that they will ban the export of Meat and Dairy? or is it no more Kiwi and Nashi fruit for the Italians to rip off and brand as their own?
  
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  November 27, 2025 9:01am
  - Taieri
    
    we are developing our own Natural Gas reserves
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    Are we? That’s a novelty…where precisely?
    
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    November 27, 2025 11:26am
  - Local Miller
    
    I was involved in Zespri as a consultant for several years, and based on what I learned from them at that time, the Kiwi fruit grown in Italy is grown under license to Zespri. The Italians aren’t ripping us off.
    
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    November 27, 2025 11:26am
    - BananaLlama
      
      This is well before Zespri.
      
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      November 27, 2025 11:41am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, way back in the days of apple and pear board days, I do remember Italy doing something dodgy, was there also something similar in Chile around the same time?
        
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        November 27, 2025 2:11pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        Apples. My Uncle was growing Pacific Rose and Fuji for export and he was not a happy camper 🙂
        I think it was back when ENZA was still a thing.
        
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        November 27, 2025 2:51pm
Pepe Lopez

I wonder, if the Regional Councils are abolished, would the proportion of our rates which include Regional Council rates be abolished too?
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November 27, 2025 8:05am
- Mod88
  
  Bwaahaaahaa this is not Comedy Corner you know, Shirley…
  
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  November 27, 2025 8:29am
- Mike
  
  Perhaps you could read the proposal and report back.
  https://www.dia.govt.nz/simplifying-local-government
  
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  November 27, 2025 8:30am
- pdm
  
  Pepe – I am living more in hope than expectation on that one.
  
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  November 27, 2025 8:32am
- kowtow
  
  It appears the body ( and all the jobsworths) will remain . The elected councillors will be abolished .
  If that’s true then this is a huge waste of time , and anti democratic.
  
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  November 27, 2025 8:41am
  - Burtland
    
    anti democratic …
    
    The voter return for ECAN was below 50% in all districts. Moreover ECAN has two appointed NgaiTahu Councillors – despite having a conflict of interest from their dairy businesses and claiming charity tax status.
    
    democracy or left wing corruption?
    
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    November 27, 2025 11:43am
    - kowtow
      
      Yes appointed councillors are also anti democratic and contrary to the principle of the rule of law.
      
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      November 27, 2025 12:26pm
- peterwn
  
  Only to the extent that efficiencies are possible. The current Regional Councils financial contribution to public transport (for example) would still need to be met so would still be a charge on ratepayers one way or the other. Some Regional Councils (eg Otago) collect their rates separately from district/city councils for philosophical reasons – presumably this practice would cease.
  
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  November 27, 2025 9:03am
  - Taieri
    
    The current Regional Councils financial contribution to public transport (for example) would still need to be met
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    This is a strange one. In Otago, there’s a public transport service in Dunedin/Mosgiel and Queenstown only. Why does it come under the umbrella of the regional council then? A portion of the ORC rates for “Transport Class B” is levied on the capital value of the property it is charged to. Why? What has the public transport got to do with the property value?
    
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    November 27, 2025 11:34am
    - Mike
      
      Why does any taxation get spent on anything of no direct personal benefit to the individual taxed?
      
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      November 27, 2025 12:27pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes it’s weird. DCC sold our bus fleet, I think the likes of the time table was put into the regional council so the council did not have a conflict with the fact they now would be setting rules on the bus companies. Regional councils did not use to deal with our buses say 20 years ago
      
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      November 27, 2025 2:15pm
- MCōs
  
  I wasn’t in Auckland at the time, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that wasn’t a big part of Act’s reasoning behind their push for the formation of the Auckland Super City in 2010.
  Prior to 2010 Auckland had a Regional Council, which disappeared into the new council.
  Did rates go down as a result of these changes?
  I expect down the track a few more super cities may emerge out of these changes.
  Ashburton may become part of Christchurch. It’s about the same distance as Wellsford or Pukekohe is from the centre of Auckland.
  
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  November 27, 2025 9:17am
  - RoboRob
    
    Re Christchurch. Certainly Lincoln, Rolleston, Kaiapoi and Rangiora could all come under the CCC. Lincoln and Rolleston in particular are almost suburbs with the new Motorway (thank you National). The banks peninsula council ‘folded’ a few years ago and now the CCC runs that area including Akaroa which is a little over 1hr drive from the central city.
    
    For those not in the know Rolleston is currently part of the Selwyn district council and has a population bigger then Blenheim. It is also about a 20min drive from the Christchurch CBD.
    
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    November 27, 2025 9:48am
  - Handyman
    
    Part of the logic for the Auckland Super City was that the Super council only made decisions for the whole region eg transport, water while any decisions that affected only local citizens were made and funded through the local boards.
    In practice, the centre took all of the rates and allocated a minimal amount to the local boards, making all (including purely local) decisions at the centre.
    This is a recipe for busybody activists to interfere with every local proposal. eg should dogs be allowed on leash or off leash on a new local park? You will have calls for creation of region wide guidelines from policy advisers and new enforcement capability (to be funded by a new special tax). That is after taking into account climate change and cultural implications and “dog exercise justice”.
    
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    November 27, 2025 10:36am
    - MCōs
      
      I live in the Manukau Ward which is represented by two councilors who invariably seem to Pacifica/Labour.
      
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      November 27, 2025 12:20pm
      - MCōs
        
        Hardly surprising because around half the 160k population of the ward is Pacifica and whitey is only about 16%
        More than 30%, including my wife are Asian and more than 40%, including my wife are immigrants
        Not surprisingly we’re the only Auckland ward with an international airport and there are no full sized public golf courses!
        
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        November 27, 2025 1:50pm
- Nikola Donatello
  
  No because all the functions will still be undertaken.
  
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  November 27, 2025 10:23am
- cmm
  
  It is going to cost more and here is why:
  
  * All those functions will still be performed by someone – so it is not going to be cheaper.
  * There are huge costs with winding down regional offices, retrenchment packages, etc etc…
  * They will form new groups to do the work (ie. shifting the work from regional councils to municipal councils).
  * There are huge costs associated with hiring the new staff.
  * All these new groups will have to get new logos, new offices, new Maori names, new business cards, new policies (in 4 different languages),….
  
  that’s all extra cost.
  
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  November 27, 2025 11:49am
  - Mike
    
    The inevitable chaos and costs are never priced into these sorts of exercises, so should be considered as irrelevant for the voters as they are for the ‘reforming’ politicians and their officials.
    
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    November 27, 2025 12:30pm
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc4DD5XFTB0
Government plans to get rid of regional councillors.
Well, a 19th century government got rid of Regional Governments. So this is the 21st century equivalent.
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November 27, 2025 8:07am
sungsamning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwKqSsnAwCU
Get Ready For a Whole Lot More Purges.
Xi Jinping is in trouble—politically, economically, and spiritually (if communists had spirits). So he’s dusting off the legacy of Hu Yaobang, one of the most beloved and politically dangerous figures in CCP history, in a desperate attempt to look like a “reformer.” The problem? China is outwardly strong, inwardly brittle, and very publicly miserable. From daily protests to a collapsing economy to an endless series of purges that make the Cultural Revolution look like a yoga retreat, Xi is trying to convince the Party and the people to “chew tough bones” while everything around them breaks. This episode dives into Xi’s political cosplay, the CCP’s growing panic, and why none of this ends the way Xi thinks.
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November 27, 2025 8:08am
- kowtow
  
  I wonder if that’s the reason for the current aggressive stance against the democratic Japanese.
  Something our media don’t seem eager to report .
  
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  November 27, 2025 9:36am
  - sungsamning
    
    They’re not keen on Japan’s Japan First PM, and that country’s recent armament purchases. Nor are they keen on Japans support for Taiwan.
    
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    November 27, 2025 2:39pm
- NoCash
  
  OK, you’ve convinced me that China is collapsing or about to. Now what? Should I be happy for that or worried about the NZ economy (after all China is our largest trading partner)? Surely an unstable China isn’t good for the world, no?
  
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  November 27, 2025 1:53pm
  - sungsamning
    
    I don’t think it’ll collapse a week next Tuesday. Its got a few problems though.
    
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    November 27, 2025 2:39pm
- Jake Dee
  
  China Uncensored is one of the most lunatic unhinged anti-China propaganda channels out there.
  China is collapsing sometime next week for as long as they’ve been operating.
  To save the enormous work of tabulating everything they’ve gotten wrong try finding anything they’ve gotten right.
  Have you ever tried backtracking some of their links? It’s all Falung Gong, Epoch Times, New Tang Dynasty Media and Foundation for Defense of Democracies.
  Concerned about the Deep State ? Well there it is.
  
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  November 28, 2025 12:54am
Jethrod

Tomorrow we have the lonnnnnggg awaited Black Friday which is an artificially created shopping binge with a mixed outcome for the victims(customers).
It was only recently that I learned it was always the day after Thanksgiving Day in the USA. Mrs Jethrod has pondered for the last fortnight when it actually was.
A completely made up excuse to give customers questionable bargains; the Consumer says toapproach it cautiously and do research into the so called bargains offered.
NZ always had another view what Black Friday was …. a Friday falling on the 13th of the month, sometimes happening several times a year.
Ain’t commercialism and advertising funny things!!
And I hear tell we have Cyber Monday to look forward to now …… God knows what that is!
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November 27, 2025 8:42am
- MCōs
  
  You’re onto their evil ways
  
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  November 27, 2025 9:20am
- RoboRob
  
  Historically ‘Black’ Friday was around the time of the year that companies broke even and were in the ‘Black’, all sales after that point becam pure profit. As such retailers could discount goods.
  
  Yes it is after thanks giving because the time was right and people were on holiday so the stores ran big specials.
  
  Cyber monday, which has been around for years now (2005), it the online retailer version. It happens the Monday after black Friday.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_Monday
  
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  November 27, 2025 9:55am
  - Ghost
    
    It goes back before that. It was used by Chicago police in the 50’s and 60’s
    
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    November 27, 2025 12:07pm
    - Mike
      
      What were they selling? Protection for bootleggers?
      
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      November 27, 2025 12:33pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I have always thought Black Friday was a friday falling on the 13th of any month.
  Thats why I thought being admitted now many years ago as a lawyer on friday the 13th was rather humerous.
  
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  November 27, 2025 11:05am
oldpark

[Mod- can people please just link to the AI generated information, instead copying it here]
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November 27, 2025 9:08am
Chuck Bird

There is no problem with moderate warming. Come and hear Dr Happer explain why on Dec 5, 7 pm at Jet Park by Hamilton Airport.
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November 27, 2025 9:20am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I wonder why the downticks?
  
  Is it because it is me doing the post, or they think Dr Happer is wrong?
  
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  November 27, 2025 11:19am
  - Mike
    
    Both things could be true. Best not to worry about the karma ticks, though.
    
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    November 27, 2025 11:27am
imalwaysright

Michael Bassett suggested to Sean Plunket on the Platform that one thing that could induce Winston to go with Labour would be if he and Hipkins shared the Prime Ministership, half the term each.
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November 27, 2025 9:24am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Peters has ruled labour out off Hipkins is there, where is this crap coming from? To an already been raving about it.
  
  If he did that he would ruin any chance NZF had if Jones took over, Jones has shown he actually can be very good, they may well stay above 5% but any of that filthy crap would finish them off
  
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  November 27, 2025 2:22pm
  - sungsamning
    
    Yes, it sure would be an absolute deal breaker for me. I don’t think it’ll happen.
    
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    November 27, 2025 2:41pm
    - Mike
      
      The deal would come after you had voted though.
      
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      November 27, 2025 4:08pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That’s why Seymour saying he’s getting ready to go with Labour again, people are starting to think about the election, and the poll that had Labour at 38 % showed NZF down 4% and Nats up 4% that is not just coincidence, that poll was just after Nats said they would have a mature conversation about asset recycling.
        
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        November 27, 2025 6:01pm
Paulus

I see this morning in Perth the High Court has been called upon because the one time young New York Epstein staff member Guifre died intestate in Australia, leaving many tens of millions and her family from children and brothers and others want their share.
It is interesting that it is reported that the Randy Andy was only a part of her fortune, as there are many other what appears to be voluntary contribitories to her.
Doubt we will know who they are ?
Also family are squabbling over how she died as it is recorded, she like, Epstein took her own life !
Might be imteresting to watch as the UISA start to reveal more (yea)
– I doubt it as only money counts in the USA.
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November 27, 2025 9:25am
- rangitoto
  
  Does anyone believe Epstein took his own life?
  
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  November 27, 2025 10:36am
  - grumpy
    
    I think there is someone……..
    
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    November 27, 2025 12:47pm
JJ56

Jenny Ruth at her substack gives Paul Goldsmith a serve on her ongoing battle with the human rights (sic) tribunal about them declining to recognise her as a journalist https://justthebusinessjennyruth.substack.com/.
Worth a read.
When Patrick Smellie sold out to the Herald I cancelled my sub promising to send the proceeds Jenny’s way. I must get off my backside and do so.
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November 27, 2025 9:46am
Hugh Jarse

For those wanting a prequel on what Chippy and his Finance Minister Chloe, have in store for us next term it’s worth looking at the UK redistribution of wealth budget released last night. It reads like a socialist blueprint. Hopefully this link will work.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
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November 27, 2025 9:49am
- KKNZ2025
  
  “With a smirk that says if you work and save I’m coming for you, Reeves launches 43 tax rises” (& not to forget that Labour promised not to raise taxes)
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15329873/Reeves-launches-tax-rises-billions-Benefits-Street.html
  
  “The Office for Budget Responsibility said economic growth under Labour would be even lower than forecast last year – and warned that none of the 88 measures unveiled by Ms Reeves on Wednesday would have a ‘material impact’ on boosting GDP.”
  
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  November 27, 2025 1:38pm
- KKNZ2025
  
  UK budget reply from Kemi Badenoch
  
  A stunning performance
  
  https://youtu.be/8ZYD4cD3yHw?si=JcoH4qBTM8qHAjcE
  
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  November 27, 2025 8:13pm
artemisia

A teacher at Ara, previously Christchurch Polytech, has received a prestigious award – 2025 Te Tohu Kaiako o Te Tau a Te Pirimia | Prime Minister’s Tertiary Educator of the Year.

One of his initiatives was the translation of automotive engineering course material into te reo Maori. I wondered how many students have done this language course, or are doing it, but could not find. Does anyone know? And if Ara has plans for more (and if so why)?

https://www.ara.ac.nz/news-and-events/news-stories/ara-automotive-engineering-course-in-te-reo-mori-a-first-in-new-zealand/
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November 27, 2025 10:13am
- Phronesis
  
  The remarkable thing about that news item is the implication that by having spent large amounts of money on a seperate maori language school system there are now adults educated in NZ who are unable to converse appropriately in english.
  
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  November 27, 2025 10:39am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I believe it was done as ONE student wanted it.
  
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  November 27, 2025 10:44am
  - Ian
    
    Hopefully he’s able to read the English language car manuals and able to converse with his colleagues in technical terms that they can understand
    
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    November 27, 2025 12:56pm
- RoboRob
  
  I expect precisely zero students have used the Maori language course material. They would likely get more use out of Chinese language course material, but of course NZ has a ‘Bi cultural’ education system not a multi cultural system.
  
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  November 27, 2025 11:14am
- Graeme Hall
  
  More Obfuscator than Teacher. 100% Manglish.
  
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  November 27, 2025 11:26am
- Taieri
  
  One of his initiatives was the translation of automotive engineering course material into te reo Maori
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  A good one! Now he/she/they should start translating “Ulysses” and “Remembrance of the Things Past” into Maori. After all, there’s a great need for that…
  
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  November 27, 2025 11:38am
  - Mike
    
    https://www.kotahiraupukapuka.org.nz/he-rau-puka/
    You might have read some of these in English.
    
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    November 27, 2025 12:16pm
    - Taieri
      
      You are an exceptional erudite Mike.
      
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      November 27, 2025 2:18pm
- Don Beckett
  
  I wonder what the Maori words for ‘piston’ or ‘crank shaft’ or ‘wheel bearing’ are ?
  Maybe it’s a bit like ‘motoka’.
  That’s easy. 😆
  
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  November 27, 2025 11:43am
  - AitchW
    
    Pihitone.
    Caranke sahafte.
    Weeli peahingaa.
    Easy peasy.
    
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    November 27, 2025 11:59am
    - greybeard
      
      Sorry mate: you can’t use C, S, L, F
      
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      November 27, 2025 4:49pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    It seems that instead of the pidgin ‘translation’ , such as Kapareta for carburetor, they instead use the actual English language term.
    Which begs the question, what is the point of rewriting the course for someone who is bilingual, bilingually ?
    
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    November 27, 2025 12:22pm
    - Jethrod
      
      But, but, but…. you’re allowed to use Edmonds and Hare Pota!
      
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      November 27, 2025 6:55pm
  - cmm
    
    These courses are completely useless. In fact they are worse than useless – they consume resources and interfere with real learning so they are a negative.
    
    South Africa tried a similar thing in the 1970s and 1980s translating the BASIC programming language into Afrikaans to, apparently, encourage more Afrikaans kids to get into programming.
    
    It never worked.
    
    While the programs written in Afrikaans BASIC could be understood when surrounded by some school classwork and textbooks written in Afrikaans, things soon fell over after than. As soon as people wanted to extend their knowledge by buying computing magazines (all in English – not Afrikaans), university-level text books or wanted to use code from overseas they all had to switch to English. Learning the Afrikaans stuff first did not help – it doubled the confusion.
    
    Rather just learn what a linked list is. Don’t first learn what a geskakelde lys in one text book and then have to figure it means the same as a linked list in another text book.
    
    Needless to say, the Afrikaans BASIC was a complete flop.
    
    I suggest that things are even worse these days for someone trying to learn Maori motor car terminology. 99% of information people access today is online. 99% of the documentation you need to access to understand vehicles is in English. Learning Maori terminology is a complete waste because you will have to learn the English terminology anyway.
    
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    November 27, 2025 1:44pm
- cmm
  
  When you think of all the other things such resources could be put into this is an incredible waste.
  
  Also what a terrible thing to give an award to. Imagine you’d done something worthy of an award but this gets chosen instead. All your hard work is worth less than a Maori automotive course which only three people in the world can read and zero will use.
  
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  November 27, 2025 11:45am
- Burtland
  
  Luxon makes his position clear on maorification
  
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  November 27, 2025 12:01pm
- kowtow
  
  Presumably the PM’s office is happy to be associated with this waste of time and money .
  
  That’s the scary thing .
  
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  November 27, 2025 12:22pm
  - Mike
    
    I think the office workers are probably far too busy to even count the number of prizes and awards allegedly given by the PM.
    
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    November 27, 2025 1:04pm
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      Why is the number relevant?
      Surely the purpose of the award is what matters.
      
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      November 27, 2025 1:41pm
      - Mike
        
        There are simply too many Prime Minister’s Prizes for this or that for it to be possible for the office staff, let alone Mr Luxon himself, to oversee the choosing of the winners.
        
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        November 27, 2025 3:17pm
- KKNZ2025
  
  Christchurch…no surprises there
  
  “Chch Council pays $1.36 million to Māori consultancy but keeps details secret.”
  
  https://youtu.be/L3JzS2k3WT0?si=JHar5aWpsz0m4rPd
  
  I understand that the TPU is now onto this one
  
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  November 27, 2025 1:05pm
- JackRabbit
  
  It’s bullshit. Because unless all preceding and proceeding concepts/principles/courses/information/tools/specifications/products are also in Te Reo, it has no actual use.
  
  To be completely Te Reo , you would also have to translate everything from Cuisenaire and Times Tables through to all car handbooks and parts websites into Te Reo as well. Otherwise it is of no use.
  
  Spot check:
  “head bolts” double reverse translate to “hat”.
  “cold cranking amps” translates to “cold weather celebrations”.
  “thrust washers” translates to “push-buttons”
  “voltage regulator” translates as “electrical engineer”
  “transmission” translates as “delivery”
  “the trans is not shifting translates as “the switch is not moving.”
  “the trans is buggered” translates to “transgenderism has gone crazy.”
  
  It is a crock of proverbial, and not useable.
  
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  November 27, 2025 1:58pm
- Jake Dee
  
  Now I find this one particularly interesting, I think I have seen it before but on the face of it it seems to be evidence of what I said would never happen has actually happened.
  I have mentioned here several times that the alleged “Maorification” of New Zealand is an upper middle class Professional Managerial Class phenomena. The language will not be adapted to practical physical trades as it would be wasted effort.
  I don’t think this article contradicts that assessment at all. This article expresses a desire to have a Te Reo Maori automotive mechanic course and that their textbooks should be out for delivery in 2023.
  I’ve just gone through the Te Ara Institute of Christchurch site, searching under “Automotive” I find plenty of certificates and diplomas, none of them in Te Reo.
  There’s a fundamental problem here
  “In the end, they decided to use the English terms for any object or activity that does not yet exist in the Māori language. “This is the best choice given the lack of appropriate vocabulary in the language,”
  
  “This is so people who have come up through kura kaupapa Māori have a culturally attuned place to get their cars repaired.”
  
  In so far as this is a real project at all, it’s a project in elite virtue and status signaling. There is no benefit in having your car repaired in Maori, but there is benefit in looking like a person who does.
  
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  November 28, 2025 1:25am
mogg

A recipe for success in the UK budget;
All benefits index linked and rising, people working on average wage will pay more tax to make up for it.
This is a country that already had a welfare crisis and their Labour govt have just made it much worse.
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November 27, 2025 10:36am
cas

Don’t you wish that some journalist would ask the co-leaders of the Maori Party what they have done specifically to improve the lot of Maori in New Zealand but also in their electorate. I suspect Rawiri doesn’t even live in his electorate apart from holidays.
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November 27, 2025 10:43am
Mike

Did Witkoff commit treason by giving the Russians advice about how to sell Trump their demands for Ukraine as a ‘peace plan’? Or is treason something less clear, like reminding people they need to follow the law?
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November 27, 2025 10:46am
- Burtland
  
  Garry Kasparov at Halifax Security Forum – and hes russian
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/lazerpig/comments/1p6vtov/garry_kasparov_at_halifax_security_forum/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
  
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  November 27, 2025 12:08pm
- Northshoredoc
  
  Bit of a nothing story in my opinion. I expect this kind of discussion go on frequently
  
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  November 27, 2025 12:20pm
  - Mike
    
    The alternative would be to use diplomats who might know what they are doing or, even worse, tell the secretary of state what’s going on.
    
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    November 27, 2025 1:06pm
- Jake Dee
  
  There is no way you know what he did or why he did it.
  There’s not only propaganda and counter-propaganda here, there’s counter-counter-counter propaganda.
  
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  November 28, 2025 1:28am
Ghost

It was a rubbish advert, but, damn, people are so precious

KFC has removed a contentious advertising campaign featuring a “creepy” hacker wearing a Colonel Sanders mask.

The ASA said complaints were based on various concerns, including that the advertisements:
Gave the impression to some consumers that they had actually been hacked;
Were placed inappropriately in the TVNZ+ app;
Were scary for children, young people and older people;
Caused fear and were offensive for people who had been scammed;
Glorified/made humour of hacking.

Paywalled Article
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November 27, 2025 12:22pm
- Eastlander
  
  Which is why TV advertising now is dull and unmemorable. Back in the 90s it was often memorable, even when it was awful beyond words.
  
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  November 27, 2025 1:25pm
- fredonas
  
  I wish someone would complain about the choccy topping ad on youtube with the lady standing next to the freezer with the door open eating ice cream 🙄
  
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  November 27, 2025 1:38pm
- cmm
  
  Anyone remember good old Marge?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwfuMdL5ncw
  
  Try get that one to fly today!
  
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  November 27, 2025 3:13pm
  - Mike
    
    TV advertising peaked with the Crunchie train robbery in the 1970s.
    https://www.ngataonga.org.nz/search-use-collection/search/C2074/
    
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    November 27, 2025 3:23pm
Taieri

“Thirty-seven former patients of the Lake Alice psychiatric hospital’s child and adolescent unit have received individual compensation payments of up to $600,000.
The government last year announced its redress scheme for children and teens tortured with electric shocks without anaesthetic or through being injected with paralysing drugs at the rural unit in the Manawatū-Whanganui region in the 1970s.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/compensation-lake-alice-patients-revealed

Fair enough. This abuse should have never happened. A $600K payment is just a small compensation for wasted lives that can’t be re-lived.
But it makes me wonder, whether in another 50 years or so, the future taxpayer will have to fork out similar compensations to the current patients being affirmed in their “gender dysphoria”?
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November 27, 2025 12:54pm
- Philview
  
  I listened to an interview on the Platform with a lady who discussed the networks promoting “gender care” in New Zealand. She has done her homework on links between journalists, public heath officials, academics and pharmaceutical companies.
  
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  November 27, 2025 1:42pm
- cmm
  
  OK, I call bullshit.
  
  At the time this was not considered “abuse” this was considered the best treatment for these and similar conditions. My mother went through numerous shock treatments during the 1970s and 1980s before they went out of fashion.
  
  Should we also demand compensation for the thousands, if not millions, of children that were “abused” with the cane at school?
  
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  November 27, 2025 3:17pm
  - Mike
    
    There was possibly some difference between using such therapy to treat a medical condition, which was relatively widespread, and electrocuting children to punish them (the Lake Alice approach).
    
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    November 27, 2025 3:26pm
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      thats the 2nd uptick :I’ve given you Mike….
      
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      November 28, 2025 12:52am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Yes, the past should be judged by the standards prevalent at the time.
    
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    November 27, 2025 4:26pm
  - Jack5
    
    People suffering from severe psychiatric conditions are benefiting from “shock treatment” — electro convulsive therapy.
    
    These days it’s administered after general anaesthesia: they put you “under” first.
    
    This explanation from the Mayo Clinic includes one of the present uses of the treatment:
    
    “During pregnancy, when medicine might be used less often to reduce the chances of harming the developing fetus.”
    
    https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/electroconvulsive-therapy/about/pac-20393894
    
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    November 27, 2025 5:29pm
fredonas

From the Taxpayers’ Union email newsletter:
“This is regarding our exposé that Christchurch Council spent $1.36 million on a [traditional owner]-owned consultancy [company] (to literally advise on how to consult with [traditional owners]), and the Council refused to give us the cost breakdown.
But, despite the Mayor’s call, the Christchurch City Council CEO is not budging.
The officials still won’t release the invoices we’ve been asking for. We want the descriptions of what work was actually done and the breakdown of hours. They should be justifying the more than $1.3 million spent of ratepayer money.
But the Council says it’s all too ‘commercially sensitive’…
Our researchers have uncovered that one of [the consultancy company] directors is also a sitting Christchurch City Councillor.
So, not only is the Council paying an [traditional owner]-owned company to advise on how to consult the [traditional owners], but sitting around the Council table is literally a Director of the company providing the services (not that they’ll detail what those ‘services’ are!)… You could not make this up.”
The plot thickens 🙄
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November 27, 2025 1:06pm
- Yabster
  
  the councilor is Tyla Harrison-Hunt- ….
  
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  November 27, 2025 2:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Karel Sroubek still not packing his bags.
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November 27, 2025 1:10pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Seems it’s not about what you know or who you know, its about what you know about who you know…
  
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  November 27, 2025 1:54pm
  - Mike
    
    Kim Dotcom has entered the chat.
    
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    November 27, 2025 3:28pm
  - Ghost
    
    You do like to make a lot up, huh. Anyone in his position can do the same, but sounds better if you make things up.
    
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    November 27, 2025 3:58pm
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      What are you going on about?
      
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      November 27, 2025 4:12pm
cmm

While the top cops are loose canons, things are hard for the cops at the coalface. No wonder they are having recruitment problems.

Here some cops are sent in to face some deranged loonie armed with a hedge trimmer who is trying to strangle a woman and at least hurt her badly. They decide to taze him, he bumps his head and then the cops end up in front of an IPCA panel.

It is all very well holding police to account for their actions if they act unreasonably, but the poor sods need to make split-second decisions with incomplete information and then face the deliberations of people taking weeks to decide if they acted correctly or not. Ridiculous.

Who would want to work in conditions like that?

As society we need to grow up a bit. We have to accept that there are always risks and we’re always balancing risks vs rewards. When decisions need to be made quickly we will not always get the optimal decisions. That’s just reality.

As for this prick chasing people with a deadly weapon…. Once he had chosen to do that and keep escalating the situation he is immediately responsible for all the bad outcomes. If he had died then that is all on him. I think it is utter bullshit that the cop was subjected to an IPCA hearing at all.

Potential police candidates will look at this and wonder whether it is worth while signing up for a career where everything can go pear shaped in seconds – putting your career and your family members at risk of being hounded even though you were trying to do the best thing in an un-winnable situation.

Bugger that. I’d rather drive a forklift.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/wellington/man-wielding-hedge-trimmer-tasered-three-times-after-assaulting-and-chasing-woman-holding-baby-were-police-justified/7JH6IIFJJRHP3LOP2IVEY6L6MI/
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November 27, 2025 1:29pm
- imalwaysright
  
  Seems that the Police’s willingness to hold themselves to account is inversely proportional to rank.
  
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  November 27, 2025 1:50pm
  - Mike
    
    Failures in any hierarchical organization tend to lead to punishment for the troops and promotion for the officers. In the rare instances of officers being punished, it is usually softened by the award of money or a medal.
    
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    November 27, 2025 3:32pm
  - cmm
    
    Yup, for sure.
    
    The major reason for having a code of conduct is to provide the perception of caring. It isn’t really supposed to impede business as usual – especially for those higher up.
    
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    November 27, 2025 4:00pm
- kiwimike
  
  CMN
  hopefully Peterwyn didn’t read your sensible common sense post.
  
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  November 28, 2025 12:54am
Jack5

It’s hard to believe anyone would do this, let alone make a video of it.

Two New Zealand “farmers” charged over of them skinning a cow alive while they made a video of it.

Or are this pair more accurately “farm hands”? And from their surnames, imported farm hands.

Especially after soaring supermarket butter and cheese prices and Fonterra’s cashing in on assets, this case isn’t a good like for NZ dairy farming.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch/christchurch-court-fines-farmers-4000-over-skinnedalive-cow-video/6WPR7OS2WRAALFI4X5IXLRGP24/
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November 27, 2025 3:56pm
- MCōs
  
  They’re eating the dogs, they’re eating the cats, they’re eating the cows.
  
  I get several daily emails with Thai news bulletins. Whenever there’s some sort of drunken behaviour or whatever they almost always pin it on a foreign tourist from England or Israel or Russia or some foreigner who’s exceeded their visa by ten years or whatever (not Chinese, that’s a bit sensitive)
  
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  November 27, 2025 5:57pm
- Crafty
  
  It’s disgusting and I can’t believe the pathetic consequences for this sort of behaviour.
  
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  November 27, 2025 6:17pm
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360901227/mystery-apparent-random-arrangement-seats-along-wellingtons-oriental-parade

Don’t believe this explanation: the truth is, like just about everything else done by WCC, it was due to guesswork and/or incompetence.
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November 27, 2025 4:47pm
Crafty

The media really are a disgrace. This article:

https://www.1news.co.nz/2025/11/27/advocate-fires-back-at-minister-over-disgusting-schools-te-tiriti-list/

Absolutely no quotes from any school who doesn’t want to be on this stupid list. Zero balance to the story, they must be completely thick to not see how they have destroyed their reputation with this sort of crap. You’d think they might look at the dire state of the industry and actually try and understand why so many people don’t trust them!
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November 27, 2025 6:15pm
Swifty

Emily was in my eldest daughter’s lacrosse team.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kiwi-women-charged-over-36kg-meth-haul-at-melbourne-airport-named/PBONJDY6EVHRJHTSLEHT2HJ6ZQ/

Innocent dupes or have they made some very bad life choices?
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November 27, 2025 6:21pm
- Jake Dee
  
  criminal gangs are pretty good at manipulating people into being their mules and foot soldiers, there are plenty of levers to use, money, sex, status, excitement, fear so they were dupes but almost certainly not innocent ones.
  Nobody has 37kg of anything in their luggage without having a pretty good idea of what it is.
  
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  November 28, 2025 1:37am
Swifty

Business confidence at 11 year high:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/looking-up-recovery-taking-hold-as-business-confidence-hits-11-year-high/U22W4MXIQRFCXBV2C6ZFMQEJXQ/
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