Gay neighbours

April 20th, 2007 at 9:02 am by David Farrar

A survey has found 22% of NZers would not like homosexuals as neighbours. I’m not sure whether I should be pleased the figure is so low at 22%, or sad that there are still one in five people who worry about what their neighbours next door do at night time.

I wonder sometimes how much of an issue homosexuality is to people, is related to whether they know or have many dealings with gay people. I know from my own experience I was terribly homophobic at school, and there were no openly out kids. I did not know any (out) gay students. When I got to uni, it was impossible not to know gay people if you were involved in student politics, and over around 18 months my attitudes changed 180 degrees.

And since then I can’t think of a workplace I have been at where there hasn’t been gay staff, and in politics there seems to be a disproportionately high number of gay staffers and activists (not just in Labour, in National also) so over the last 20 years I would have worked with oh at least 50 or 60 gays and lesbians. And I just can’t imagine how I ever once held the views I did when I was back at school. I’m at the stage where learning someone is gay is about as significant to me as learning they have blue eyes. It’s just a feature of who they are. So I do struggle to understand how 1 in 5 people would have a problem with gay neighbours.

Anyway turning back to the survey, I’ve located the original with the raw data. It asks not just about having a homosexual neighbour, but also of a different race, a Muslim, a Jew, and a Immigrant or foreign worker.

NZers were not asked about Muslims and Jews (a pity, would be interesting) but only 3% objected to a different race, 5.4% to immigrants, and 22.3% to homosexual neigbours.

We are second lowest (out of 23 countries) for bigotry on race. Only Sweden is lower at 2.6%.Average was 8.5%

On immigrants/foreigners we are 7th lowest with 5.4% compared to average of 10.1%. And on homosexual neighbours we are in the bottom half (just) at 13th. The average is 19.6% and we were 22.3%.

The average for Muslims was 14.5% and for Jews 9.5%. The most anti-Muslim country was Greece at 20.9% and least was Canada at 6.5%. For Jews worst was Spain at 21.7% and best was Netherlands at 1.7%.

So we are only one third as bigoted (the author’s term) on different races compared to most countries, one half as bigoted against immigrants and foreigners but slightly more bigoted against homosexuals than the average.

The term bigoted is somewhat harsh, but at the end of the day judging a neighbour off their “group affiliation” rather than as an individual, is the thin wedge end of bigotry.

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126 Responses to “Gay neighbours”

  1. burt () says:

    Perhaps what it is really saying is that 22% of people don’t want Labour party MP’s living next door to them.

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  2. Sam Dixon () says:

    weak, Burt, weak.

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  3. Neil () says:

    to be fair, who wants to be subjected to constant drunken renditions of its raining men?

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  4. Scott () says:

    1 in 5 worry what the likes of me do at night, My God cant wait to see their faces when they know that Im doing it not just at nite but sumtimes in the morning and if Im lucky in the afternoon too. But on a more serious note I would be the first to say that the gay community is its own worst enemy, when my work freinds found out I was gay they all asked me whether I wear womans clothing, they asked this because it occured to me that when they think gay they think drag queen and that all fags are into that, of course the only time ive had makeup on was when I did a school play ( I know how gay!) and to be honest if thats ones preceptions of the gay community I wouldnt want to live next door to them either

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  5. GPT () says:

    I would love to know how many of the 22% live beside gay people and don’t know it. Sadly there are still some people who are convinced that gay people are more likely to be kiddy fiddlers and the like. One of those classic “but everyone knows” arguments that are entirely false.

    Still, I have my own bigotory. I don’t want boy racers, base players or screaming children as neighbours…

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  6. PaulL () says:

    Interestingly a woman I worked with had a high security clearance in govt. When she met people, part of her introduction was “Hi I’m X, and did you know I’m a lesbian.” Apparantly being gay isn’t a security risk, but being gay and hiding it is (means you can be blackmailed). She needed to be really open about it in order to manage the perceived risk.

    I’m like you DPF – at school I was horribly homophobic (boys school – telling someone they were gay or a fag was just one of the insults we commonly used). I guess I knew what it meant, but I had never met anybody that was gay, so my mental picture of what that meant didn’t have much substance to it – it was just associated with bad.

    Having had a real life for some time now, I know a bunch of gay people – some in the closet and some not. Some of my closest friends and all that. I don’t use fag at all anymore as an insult, interestingly in the mean-time gay has become a more acceptable insult meaning something else entirely – so I still use that.

    I find it amazing that people are still bigoted about stuff like this. But then some of my relatives (the naki you know) still say the most awful things about Maori. Except for my cousin’s girlfriend – she’s lovely, but the rest of those darkies (the ones we’ve never met), useless bastards the lot of them. Maybe it is the same thing with the stereotypes about gay people?

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  7. Cactus Kate () says:

    I’m with Neil’s line of thought here.

    It’s possibly because gay people as a group tend to hold more parties per head of population than any other. These parties tend to be rather good and thus well attended.

    This tends to create far more noise than obsessive amounts of wall banging sex.

    Fortunately every gay couple or threesome I have lived next to are smart enough to invite all the neighbours to their parties so its very hard to complain.

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  8. Andy () says:

    Could the numbers be broken down to areas or rural attitudes vs urban, town vs city, ethnic make up of area. I think this would shed some light on attitudes ?

    I am a white straight male and i live in Sandringham, Auckland, I am the minority in my street. I wonder what my neighbours attitudes are toward me?

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  9. dave () says:

    Yeah, surveys like this piss me off.

    I wonder how many religious people took part in the survey. I have a gay neighbour and in the last place I lived in my neighbours were John Jolliffe and Des Smith, who were well known as campaigners for civil unions. I can say that they were among the best neighbours we have had and they are one of the few neighbours I have had that we are still in contact with.I recon that those are worried about gay neighbours have never had them or dont know their neighbours well enough to know that they are gay.

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  10. dave () says:

    I wonder how many christian took part in the survey. I have a gay neighbour and in the last place I lived in my neighbours were John Jolliffe and Des Smith, who were well known as campaigners for civil unions. I can say that they were among the best neighbours we have had and they are two of the few neighbours I have had that we are still in contact with.I recon that those are worried about gay neighbours have never had them or dont know their neighbours well enough to know that they are gay.

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  11. dave () says:

    I wonder how many christian took part in the survey. I have a gay neighbour and in the last place I lived in my neighbours were John Jolliffe and Des Smith, who were well known as campaigners for civil unions. I can say that they were among the best neighbours we have had and they are two of the few neighbours I have had that we are still in contact with.I recon that those are worried about gay neighbours have never had them or dont know their neighbours well enough to know that they are gay.

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  12. stan () says:

    aaand in pours the religion/homosexuality debate…

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  13. A. Ominous () says:

    The term bigoted is somewhat harsh, but at the end of the day judging a neighbour off their “group affiliation” rather than as an individual, is the thin wedge end of bigotry.

    It’s the left that teaches people to view them in terms of the label applied to them. Consequently, the young byproducts of today’s education system are more “bigoted” than ever before!

    For instance, read about Jane Elliott in an article by Carl Horowitz on Frontpagemag.com. It describes the nihilism that underlies the whole approach of the leftists who control state education: this garbage of “tolerance training” and “diversity” whereby people are taught to label people instead of see them as individuals. To say nothing of the brainwashing “self-esteem” bullshit, which breaks children down and then builds them up based on vacuous shite, that they are now psychologically dependent on.

    That diversity means focusing on *one* *single* attribute people share with others, thus lumping them together as a homogenous group, is a pure lie. It’s a nihilistic view of people so typical of the fundy left which has no answers for the individual, as that necessitates dealing with what human nature really is. Clueless bigots providing bigoted solutions to bigotry. How inevitable and banal.

    By the way, while the left lumps people into groups in their divide-and-conquer strategy for controlling society, *valid* labels based on absolute attributes of human nature, (not aberrations – physical behaviours and mental conditions – these people try so desperately hard to normalise) like “man” and “woman”, are downplayed as women are taught to feel alienated from their feminine nature and masculinity is demonised. It’s pure nihilism by leftwing fundamentalists motivated by a fanaticism to impose their own order on human nature itself.

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  14. burt () says:

    If only 22% of people have an issue with Gay neighbours then clearly we are no longer the Christian society some people claim we are.

    So lets drop that outdated notion from all social and moral issues.

    Me: I don’t care at all. If the folk next door to me are Gay, good luck to them.

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  15. phil u () says:

    did they ask people how they felt about living next door to homophobes..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  16. sonic () says:

    Mr Omonous, there is a commentator called Redbaiter who posts here, I think you two would get on like the proverbial house on fire. I’d get his email address so you could “hook up”.

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  17. Insolent Prick () says:

    What a ridiculous survey! Who really sits at home thinking: “I wish my neighbours were homos…”?

    Sure, homosexual people are going to Hell, but on the bright side, they do keep their gardens very well tended, and don’t bring down the property values in the street. They also tend to have cooler stuff in their houses, so burglars are more likely to target their house, rather than yours.

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  18. Murray () says:

    Again the chronic and phool tag team of delusion and their obsession with other people being gay and fantasing about which bloggers are hooking up.

    You guys just live with Freud on your backs don’t you.

    Get a chatroom.

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  19. dad4justice () says:

    I live next door to Rolleston Prison – so I got many poofter neighbours and I couldn’t give a hoot in hell .

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  20. llew () says:

    ” live next door to Rolleston Prison – so I got many poofter neighbours and I couldn’t give a hoot in hell . ”

    heh.. You might if they made a habit of popping round to borrow sugar.

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  21. ChrisB () says:

    I couldn’t care less if my neighbours are gay or not but i still reject the medievil notion that homosexuality is natural. Its just an out of control appetite akin to alcoholism or drug addiction. Nothing more, nothing less. And yes, I am a christian so feel free to display your tolerant bigotry now.

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  22. John Dalley () says:

    D4J. Might be tgime you spent some time in Rolleston and get to know some of your gay neighbours. More likely if they got to read your postings that they may like to get to know you.

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  23. burt () says:

    ChrisB

    “but i still reject the medievil notion that homosexuality is natural”

    How can it not be natural when it’s been going on way before Christians labeled it a sin. Crikey the next thing you will be saying is that humans are naturally monogomous.

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  24. phillipjohn () says:

    Redbaiter, Chuck Bird, Dad 4 Justice, where the hell is Kiwiblog’s resident bigot brigade? You guys disappoint me. It’s your time to shine so what do you say? common already, we’re all dying for a laugh.

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  25. Elder Bob () says:

    Does it surprise anyone that dad4justice lives next to the South Island’s only child sex offenders unit

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  26. phillipjohn () says:

    hey Chris B if homosexuality isn’t “natural” then why is it found amongst most pack animals? Why do our closest relatives in the animal kingdom partake in same-sex relations? that is as long as you aren’t a creationist?

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  27. llew () says:

    “Does it surprise anyone that dad4justice lives next to the South Island’s only child sex offenders unit”

    Should it? But I guess It’s no surprise that some anonymous dickwad chose to ask a stupid question.

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  28. Murray () says:

    Hey excellent argument flipjon.

    Pack animals also practice the slaughter of other sires young, autocratic domination by the physically superior and the killing of the weak and elderly.

    We look forward to the your supporting the human race taking on these particular traits shall we?

    Perhaps you might like to confine your argument to the species in question.

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  29. dad4justice () says:

    I would hate to disappoint you PJ and Elder Bob, but poofters do their thingy and I can’t really bag them, as the landlady is a dyke prison warden.

    This will wipe the smile from you’re twisted faces – Paul Truscott the mentality-retarded faggot lives not far away in a Ministry of Justice house with two permanent security guards that watch him like a hawk. I wonder why that is PJ /Eder Bob ? – Careful mate how far you push mate – it might seriously bite you weirdo pinko socialists – play with fire boys’ and you will get badly burnt.

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  30. Insolent Prick () says:

    phillipjohn:

    You should thank your parents that for at least a part of their lives, they were not homos.

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  31. llew () says:

    “Should it? But I guess It’s no surprise that some anonymous dickwad chose to ask a stupid question.”

    Nor was the stupid answer :)

    “Careful mate how far you push mate – it might seriously bite you weirdo pinko socialists – play with fire boys’ and you will get badly burnt.”

    Hey, d4j, do you have these stored somewhere for cutting & pasting? I could swear you said exactly the same thing to me once.

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  32. dad4justice () says:

    No llew , I only made reference to the poor Paul T as he was taken advantage of by various unscrupulous men at the public toilets in Hagley Park by lake Victoria – Christchurch – a few years back .

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  33. Murray () says:

    Change your name to lashoutboy d4j.

    Make it easier for new people.

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  34. sonic () says:

    Gay animals are pretty common as it happens.

    http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/cov_15featurea.html

    Murray old bean, I think you misread ny post, I was hinting that the poster was in fact our old chum Redbaiter with a new nickname.

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  35. phillipjohn () says:

    Murray:

    “Pack animals also practice the slaughter of other sires young, autocratic domination by the physically superior and the killing of the weak and elderly.”

    Yes, Murray, humans have been know to do all of these things as well, it is certainly in our “nature”. However, what is “natural” isn’t necessarily synonymous with moral virtuosity. In fact, all of the above mentioned “natural” human behaviours are generally deemed to be undesirable compared to their anonyms – say democracy, meritocracy, and non-violence. As such we generally discourage them, and they’re seen as immoral/unethical. Homosexuality, on the other hand doesn’t necessarily entail any more human suffering than heterosexuality – thus most reasonable people don’t look at it as being immoral.

    So, in sum, what is “natural”, isn’t really the question. It’s what is ethical, that interests me.

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  36. phillipjohn () says:

    “You should thank your parents that for at least a part of their lives, they were not homos.”

    i’ve asked you before IP, and I didn’t get an answer, but how old freaking old are you?

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  37. dad4justice () says:

    PJ – PT & PD – ouch .

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  38. Matty () says:

    I assume, from the ‘Gay Men Don’t Play Rugby And Have Nice Gardens’ insanely inaccurate stereotypes on here, that absolutely no-one who has posted a comment on here is under the age of 30.

    Bigotry is so boringly immobile.

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  39. llew () says:

    “No llew , I only made reference to the poor Paul T as he was taken advantage of by various unscrupulous men at the public toilets in Hagley Park by lake Victoria – Christchurch – a few years back . ”

    Oh yeah. My mistake :)

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  40. haggis () says:

    I wonder if those surveyed were predominantly male.

    In my experience, women tend to accept gays more than men, perhaps due to men’s fear of “catching the disease” so to speak.

    Who gives a sh.. if your neighbour is gay. I’d rather have a gay neighbour than some of you lot on this thread. Some of the stuff I read is pure filth and poison, and I presume the majority of you are straight!!!Get my drift.

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  41. phillipjohn () says:

    “Sure, homosexual people are going to Hell”

    Sure they are IP, and your magical fairy freind will also make sure all those weirdo pinko commie bastards are symbolically crushed with flaming hammers and sickles for all eternality. Meanwhile you’ll be sip scotch and play golf with Ronald Regan.

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  42. Redbaiter () says:

    “I was hinting that the poster was in fact our old chum Redbaiter with a new nickname.”

    You sad brain damaged leftists just can’t understand a concept like self respect can you??

    “where the hell is Kiwiblog’s resident bigot brigade?”

    I’d ask you PJ to define a bigot and describe how the named posters fit that definition except that I know I’d be wasting my time.

    Tell you what, I’ll do it for you-

    “bigot”- (defined in leftist terms) anyone who disagrees with pseudo liberal edicts and doctrine’s relating to homosexuality”

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  43. sonic () says:

    So what is your position Mr Baiter, in what way do you disagree with “pseudo liberal edicts” on gay people

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  44. dad4justice () says:

    Haggis does being ” straight ” mean you like the company of perfumed – spunky ladies and lots of rugby ,t bone steaks,horse racing, hyperbole at the pub and lots of beer?

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  45. Jeff () says:

    D4J, I am gay and like all those things. What is your point?

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  46. haggis () says:

    D4J,

    No, being a straight female, I prefer the company of drop dead gorgeous men who only open their mouths when they have something decent to say.

    And I don’t drink beer, a nice cab sav will do me fine!!!

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  47. dad4justice () says:

    No point just didn’t know what being straight meant ?

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  48. phillipjohn () says:

    “I’d ask you PJ to define a bigot and describe how the named posters fit that definition”

    well imm looking at the definition and … i’ll be damned, that’s not your photo i’m looking at in my webster’s is it baiter?

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  49. unpclesbian () says:

    Phew, I thank my lucky stars I’m a lesbian then!! Was having a wee panic that my neighbour would give my house key back and not feed the cats. Thank god i’m not gay.

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  50. peanut () says:

    Jeff says…D4J, I am gay and like all those things. What is your point?

    Yes, D4J, what exactly is your point?

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  51. dad4justice () says:

    Fuck it I am off to the pub to catch up on all the local gossip from the screws . No point -go straight to jail and you do not collect $200 for passing go .

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  52. haggis () says:

    D4J, as far as I know, “straight” is colloquially used to define if you are non gay.

    It can be used for male or female

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  53. Wilbur () says:

    I don’t get this gay thing at all.

    How does it all work ? Is one partner the ‘giver’ and the other the ‘taker’, or do they alternate 50/50?

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  54. Insolent Prick () says:

    It may be a stereotype, but stereotypes are normally pretty close to the truth.

    The truth is that few good rugby players are homos. Conversely, most good chick rugby players–and soccer and cricket players, for that matter–are lesbos. There are exceptions, but they’re not the general rule.

    I suppose you liberal handwringers would also object to stereotypes about chicks generally. Yet it is a fact that they are generally not as smart as men, are more emotional, are more finickity about tidying the house, and at least once a month, much less rational. There are exceptional women, but they aren’t the norm.

    I think it is excellent that homos keep their gardens tidy. Although, to be fair, the pink flamingos on the front lawn can get a little bit tiresome.

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  55. haggis () says:

    Wilbur says….I don’t get this gay thing at all.
    How does it all work ? Is one partner the ‘giver’ and the other the ‘taker’, or do they alternate 50/50?

    I don’t think we are discussing the nitty gritty of gay sexual behavior, Wilbur.

    Who cares anyway, it’s their business.

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  56. sonic () says:

    There is just as much variety in gay sexuality as there is in any other kind of sexuality Wilbur. There is no “one way to do it” for either.

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  57. Redbaiter () says:

    What are “gay” people? I thought that was a word meaning happy and carefree, or even a woman’s name. Is this some kind of new term for “homosexual’?? If it is, they could hardly have chosen a more inappropriate euphemism could they??

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  58. Clueless () says:

    I find it interesting that this study showed only about 22% of NZers object to gay people, yet the most recent census data shows that about 55% of NZers still identify as christians.

    Obviously not all and indeed not even a majority of christians are homophobic :-)

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  59. MikeE () says:

    I wish I had lesbian neighbors…. hot lesbian neighbors..

    if only…

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  60. haggis () says:

    Don’t show your ignorance,Redbaiter.

    The English language is constantly evolving.

    What was once a colloquial term can become standard terminology over a period of time.For example, asparagus originated as “sparrow grass” and has evolved into the word we know today.

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  61. sonic () says:

    Mr Baiter. Since you spend your life constantly complaining and moaning about the evil left and how they are destroying the country, and taking into account the fact that you you never have a good word to say about any part of the modern world, I’d be careful of making statements that imply gay people are somehow unhappy.

    Judging from your comments you must be one of the most miserable people on the face of the planet.

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  62. Andrew W () says:

    Can someone explain why Mike wants hot lesbian neighbours? Is it some form of masochism, drooling over what he can’t have?

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  63. haggis () says:

    Perhaps he thinks himself so hot, that they won’t be able to resist his charms.

    Then they will fall at his feet and become straight.

    Who knows? I think he is just being a sarcastic pr..k

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  64. PaulL () says:

    Nah, he has spy cameras. He’s going to make a fortune selling the footage on the internet.

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  65. Andrew W () says:

    “I like yellow.”

    That tosser impersonating D4J is back

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  66. Mr I.P .Freely () says:

    I got my last dog of a gentle gay elderly person in a long term relationship,i must be mellowing,as i thought,he was a nice person , (i wasnt molested), so unless you are threated, by a leather clad member of the labour party,CRACKING A WHIP , AND CARRING HANDCUFFS,(YOU ARE SAFE)
    Friday is a good stirring day, mr I,P F

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  67. phillipjohn () says:

    WTF IPF?

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  68. Mr I.P .Freely () says:

    common you guys(GAYS) chill out ,OPPS wrong key stroke(stroke) SEXUAL conitation here

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  69. Andrew W () says:

    Maybe it was supposed to be:

    “I got my last dog OFF a gentle gay elderly person in a long term relationship”

    Some sorta news flash

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  70. haggis () says:

    Mr IPF,

    What’s your point?

    You’re showing signs of a severely bigotted gent, albeit a nutso one.

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  71. APL () says:

    Which New Zealander, known to all of us, recently made this comment..

    “To truely pigeon-hole the average gay male, take an extreme tomcat straight male, multiply his libido by a factor of ten, throw in a mega-dose of narcissism, and also sprinkle in heavy drug use and a willingness to deliberately engage in life-threatening sexual behaviour”

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  72. Mr I.P .Freely () says:

    Sorry haggis , tough day ,but im no more biggotted than the next biggot, (this means WHAT ARE YOU REALLY PISSED OF ABOUT),.good blogg site , but many angry people other than me, um are you Scotts, i am

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  73. haggis () says:

    Mr IPF,

    Duh, the name haggis just might suggest a Scot, yea.

    What am I pissed OFF about?

    Could be, the bigotry against gays.

    Could be, the fear many men have regarding gays

    Could be, that I had a shit of a day too.

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  74. dad4justice () says:

    Haggis all the screws at the pub think you are truly pathetic bitch !
    The boys just love this blog and I am sending this from a Department of Erections Computer -lol .

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  75. ChickenLittle () says:

    The bigotry against anti-gays suprises me.

    At the same time I’m suprised that its only 22%.

    Also – who cares what someones sexual prefrences are, its when people get all uppity about being gay or not being gay that they piss me off.

    Is Sonic bringing in the Scottish mafia to take over or is it just a coincidence?

    It would be interesting to survey the religious beliefs, or not, of posters on this thread.

    Just interesting, no judgement involved.

    CL – Atheist

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  76. phillipjohn () says:

    “That tosser impersonating D4J is back”

    So how do you tell the impersonator from the real D4J?

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  77. Mr I.P .Freely () says:

    um my last post wasnt added,sorry , im not a biggott (HAGGIS) im scotts(NZr)
    i could have been deleted???? not again(a nonperson)

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  78. haggis () says:

    Please elaborate, D4J.

    You are just jealous that I make more sense than your pathetic ramblings.

    Nice to see you are using a publicly funded computer for your nasty tirade. Can’t you afford you own?

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  79. dad4justice () says:

    Mr I P Freely -senior managers of Scottish orgin would like you on the wing as spokesman for pc department of erections union .

    So say all of us – cheers to the free gel and condoms – so say all of us , oh yes tickets taylor a vet screw of 40 years reckons dalley, pj and sonic have cells awaiting them .

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  80. Normal () says:

    I abhor homosexuals, and certainly would not like such perverts to be neighbours or even living close by, absolutely disgusting.

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  81. dad4justice () says:

    PJ “So how do you tell the impersonator from the real D4J?”

    The imposter has Aids and the real d4j has a girlfriend .

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  82. Mr I.P .Freely () says:

    SHIT, LETS SLOW DOWN ,IM CHANGING MY WINE TO SHIRAZ.change of brain cells, right goes to,left, and sonic rules , lets start again,
    next insult Mr I,P,F

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  83. belt () says:

    DPF: “I’m at the stage where learning someone is gay is about as significant to me as learning they have blue eyes. It’s just a feature of who they are. So I do struggle to understand how 1 in 5 people would have a problem with gay neighbours.”

    exactly.

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  84. Thomas () says:

    Here here!

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  85. Dale () says:

    Even those who write their thoughts about bigots seem to be bigotted in one way or another. I personally am happy not to know if my neighbours gay and generally steer clear of them. Guess theres a few people i will never know in my lifetime.
    Big deal, i don’t feel any loss.
    Label that.(yeah and i’m sure you won’t be able to resist)
    Guess the days seem to be gone when what you feel is right and wrong, you can live by and feel comfortable in yourself without others judging you. But i guess you can write laws to make sure we all agree with your opinions.
    Has being unique passed into history?

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  86. A. Ominous () says:

    Cannibalism is also pretty common in animals.

    For Dawkins’s sake, get a clue.

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  87. Chuck Bird () says:

    D4J says, “No llew , I only made reference to the poor Paul T as he was taken advantage of by various unscrupulous men at the public toilets in Hagley Park by lake Victoria – Christchurch – a few years back.”

    D4J, you would not know the names of any of those
    unscrupulous men by any chance?

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  88. dad4justice () says:

    Yes Chuck I do, however I don’t think this blog could handle the nuclear fall out that publishing their names would cause .
    The police were watching the antic’s in the toilet , just like I was , why don’t you go ask them mate as I do like things above board and I do like staying alive .

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  89. Chuck Bird () says:

    D4J says, “No llew , I only made reference to the poor Paul T as he was taken advantage of by various unscrupulous men at the public toilets in Hagley Park by lake Victoria – Christchurch – a few years back.

    “D4J, you would happen to know the names of any of these unscrupulous men?

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  90. Jenni () says:

    David, this site is humming. Good to see the debate about SEX.

    Perhaps you should have more of these topics, then we can see people’s real colours…like D4J

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  91. Chuck Bird () says:

    Hi Jenni, if the question had of been, “Would you have been, would you be happy to accept a blood donation from a homosexual?”, what would your answer be? Many of you liberals put ideology ahead of common sense. Homosexuals lobbied to have their behaviour made legal. There should be content when they had achieved that. They will never be content. That is the nature of their obsession.

    There is a definite co-relation between homosexuality and the sexual abuse of adolescents. The Nazi trick of repeating a lie does not alter this fact. Goggle NAMBLA or PIF. Let me see any of you liberals identify a heterosexual lobby group whose aim is to legalise sex between aduals and children.

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  92. Chuck Bird () says:

    I meant PIE – the Peadophile Information Exchange

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  93. Jenni () says:

    Where on my thread did I say I was pro gay or even a liberal, you moron.

    I am reluctant to accept blood donations from anyone..Hep B,C etc etc.

    You make out that homosexuals have deviant behaviour. Most heterosexual males have lurid sexual thoughts anyway, they often don’t act them out or discuss them with others. I know this from my profession.

    The mind boggles to what you must think about when you engage your right hand.

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  94. GNZ () says:

    I would be confused if someone asked me the question. I guess a gay person is probably not a female so in that case I guess I’d prefer female neighbors. They probably have slightly more relationship turnover so maybe that would be a downside but they might keep things a little neater and probably less likely to try to sexually assault my wife.

    It depends on the alternative I guess. In the end we are talking very minor things compared to more serious issues like “are they assholes or not” of course.

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  95. dad4justice () says:

    Hi Jenni – bad time of the month ? Do try and have a nice day !!

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  96. Jenni () says:

    D4J,

    Is that the limit of your understanding of women, that they have a monthly cycle?

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  97. dad4justice () says:

    Jenni – cadaverous creatures like you – can do what you like – as the thought of spending time in arduous arguement with you makes me want go next door and play with the queers pit ball !!

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  98. Jenni () says:

    D4J

    So, you admit you know little about women and admit defeat.

    Mixing fancy words from a thesarus with basic literary skills and having a “chip on your shoulder” makes you fair game.

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  99. Chuck Bird () says:

    Jenni says, “You make out that homosexuals have deviant behaviour. Most heterosexual males have lurid sexual thoughts anyway, they often don’t act them out or discuss them with others. I know this from my profession.”

    The mind boggles. Please tell me what is your profession.

    Jenni says, “The mind boggles to what you must think about when you engage your right hand.”

    One thing I can guarantee is that like the vast majority of heterosexuals I do not have fantasies about children or adolescents.

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  100. Jessie James () says:

    Chuck says
    “One thing I can guarantee is that like the vast majority of heterosexuals I do not have fantasies about children or adolescents.”

    The vast majority of homosexuals don’t have those thoughts either.

    Most paedophiles are heterosexual males.

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  101. reAl () says:

    What does it mean to say being gay is unnatural? As pointed out many different species exhibit homosexual behavior indicating it is found in nature. But in all my reading I’ve yet to come across anyone identifying any other species that gets into Bible thumping. If anything the fundamentalist is quite unnatural.

    I would actually like to see a survey done where people get to pick having a Bible-thumping, hell fire and brimestone, evangelizing fudnamentalist live next door or a gay couple. Would be interesting.

    One thing you can say for gays. They don’t go door to door trying to get you to join up.

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  102. dork4dimwittedness () says:

    “makes me want go next door and play with the queers pit ball !!”

    Who cares? You’ve got all day to waste, useless bludging beneficiary that you are.

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  103. Matty () says:

    “Cannibalism is also pretty common in animals.”

    - So is pairing for life in some species. What’s your point mate?

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  104. dad4justice () says:

    David Farrar this is Peter Burns and the above comment was not from me, as you have my IP address .
    Who is this imposter ?

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  105. Jenni () says:

    Is the revulsion for homosexuals to do with the physical sex act or is it that we find it hard to understand why two men would want to be with each other instead of being with a women?

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  106. Dale () says:

    Both and more!

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  107. Chuck Bird () says:

    Jessie James says, “The vast majority of homosexuals don’t have those thoughts either.

    Most paedophiles are heterosexual males.”

    Tell us, how do you know what the vast majority of homosexuals think?

    You are actually technically correct that numerically there are more heterosexual paedophiles than homosexual paedophiles. However, when one takes into account the number of homosexual in the population compared to heterosexuals homosexuals offend at a rate greatly disproportionate to there numbers in the population. Further when the do offend they tend to leave a lot more victims.

    I recall a homosexual paedophile in Onehunga. He was up on 4000 charges. He did not have that many victims but he far, far more than any heterosexual paedophile. The facts are indisputable but I will be struggling to get a liberal bigot to think logical on the issue.

    Some people’s liberal attitudes are like a religion.

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  108. Jessie James () says:

    Maybe the reason why homosexual paedophiles have a higher rate of offending is that they can more easily entrench themselves in an institution that provides unscrutinised access to young boys. For example the church and scouts etc.

    When it is finally reported that this offending has taken place, it is when the victim is at an age to more comfortably disclose this, hence the number of charges.

    If heterosxtual paedophiles could just as easily offend, logic suggests the numbers would be much the same.

    It’s simply a matter of demographics, not liberal bigotry.

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  109. dad4justice () says:

    Bollocks Jessie James .
    Liberal attitudes are out of step .

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  110. Jessie James () says:

    Must admit I find it hard to accept the homosexual obsession with toilet liasions.

    Also hard to accept gays at all but, Chuck Bird’s reasoning for disliking gays is illogical.

    I would have thought the only logical reason for not agreeing with homosexuality is the health issues associated.

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  111. Chuck Bird () says:

    Jessie James says, “Also hard to accept gays at all but, Chuck Bird’s reasoning for disliking gays is illogical.”

    Jessie, I was just going to reply to your earlier post but then I see you make a baseless allegation that I dislike homosexuals.

    Will you kindly quote what I stated I hate homosexuals?

    Regards
    Chuck Bird

    PS incidentally that is my real name. So please do not misquote me.

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  112. Chuck Bird () says:

    Jessie James says, “Also hard to accept gays at all but, Chuck Bird’s reasoning for disliking gays is illogical.”

    Jessie, I was just going to reply to your earlier post but then I see you make a baseless allegation that I dislike homosexuals.

    Will you kindly quote what I stated I hate homosexuals?

    Regards
    Chuck Bird

    PS incidentally that is my real name. So please do not misquote me.

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  113. Jessie James () says:

    Chuck, You said…..

    “Homosexuals lobbied to have their behaviour made legal. There should be content when they had achieved that. They will never be content. That is the nature of their obsession.

    There is a definite co-relation between homosexuality and the sexual abuse of adolescents. The Nazi trick of repeating a lie does not alter this fact. Goggle NAMBLA or PIF. Let me see any of you liberals identify a heterosexual lobby group whose aim is to legalise sex between aduals and children.”

    Chuck, as far as I am concerned your words clearly imply that you dislike homosexuals. You have also implied that you dilike liberals, as DFJ does.

    By the way I did not say that you “hate homosexuals”

    There is a difference between hate and dislike.

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  114. Chuck Bird () says:

    Jessie, perhaps my language should have been a little more moderate but I am sick of the homosexual agenda being rammed down my throat. Many parents do not want their children brought up to believe that homosexuality is an equally valid lifestyle choice. I do not believe that makes them homophobic.

    Militant homosexual activists like Tim Barnett attacked the family to push his sick agenda by bring in the property act that says a de facto couple are to be treated as a married couple when it comes to the division of property.

    Most left wing homosexuals went along with this. However, I am well aware that other homosexuals such as Lindsay Perigo who were strongly opposed this.

    If homosexuals want to do what they want to do in private that is their business. However, if they want diddle with children whether it is their bodies of their minds then it is my business. Teaching children they homosexuality is a valid lifestyle choice is basically grooming.

    I do not do dislike homosexuals as a group just those who want to ram their sick agenda down our throats.

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  115. Matty () says:

    “Militant homosexual activists like Tim Barnett attacked the family to push his sick agenda by bring in the property act that says a de facto couple are to be treated as a married couple when it comes to the division of property.”

    Homosexuals are parts of families. They have parents, brothers and sisters who love them. They have children whom they love and who love them. Their kids don’t grow up any differently, they are not at more risk of being molested, they are good kids with good mums or dads. They struggle against the same financial tides that we all do.

    You are, simply put, not only out of step with reality – through your misguided campaigner of misinformation you are also persistently stupider than you need be.

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  116. Matty () says:

    “Militant homosexual activists like Tim Barnett attacked the family to push his sick agenda by bring in the property act that says a de facto couple are to be treated as a married couple when it comes to the division of property.”

    Nothing is more tiring than persistent myths. Your sound bites about family values alienate yourself from the majority, not homosexuals. The fact is that homosexuals value their families like anybody else – fiercely, proudly, and with compassion.

    Homosexuals are parts of families. They have parents, brothers and sisters who love them. They have children whom they love and who love them. Their kids don’t grow up any differently, they are not at more risk of being molested, they are good kids with good mums or dads. They struggle against the same financial tides that we all do.

    However you will persist in your belief that married heterosexual couples should be the only kind of family to receive positive discrimination. I was having coffee in Fidel’s with a friend recently, who remarked that gays of our generation (we are both 22) all seem to want to reflect societal norms – and that is their choice. Though the older generations of gays may have been flag-bearers, young gay men are by and large positively indolent about their rights. Good and bad things ensue from this fact. One of the good things is that society is being forced to recognise the validity of gay parents in a laisez-faire fashion as more and more young men and women start building families with other young men or women. Not in some catastrophic blossoming of homosexuality throughout the majority of the population either, but among the naturally-occurring, non-detrimental homosexual minority that persists to exist throughout complex life.

    You are, simply put, not only out of step with reality (I assume the Bible or Koran is at fault for that), but through your misguided campaign of misinformation you are also persistently stupider than you need be.

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  117. Jenni () says:

    Chuck Bird says…”However, if they want diddle with children whether it is their bodies of their minds then it is my business. Teaching children they homosexuality is a valid lifestyle choice is basically grooming.”

    Where on earth does that come from. Why do you automatically assume that homosexuals prey on children.
    In my experience, it is the heterosexual males that have that “gift”

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  118. Matty () says:

    Rant. Elaborate. Rant.

    Oops.

    Forgive the double posting.

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  119. Jeff () says:

    Chuck comes out to hijack any topic relating to homosexually to promote his misinformed, illogical and not even close to reality “opinion” as to what goes on in the head of most homosexuals. While the behavior he speaks about does exist in a very small proportion of gays, it is more prevailant in hetrosexuals.
    Chuck I ask you this..how can you possibly claim to know what each gay person is thinking? You have this delusion that all gay men are looking at young boys and wanting to have sex with them. Let me tell you, I am gay, my partner is gay and many of my friends are gay so I have far more insight into how gay peolple think than you and guess what, the thought of any person gay or straight taking advantage of a young boy of girl is replusive to all of us.

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  120. baxter () says:

    I would rather have homosexual neighbours than the Mongrel Mob or a tinnyhouse. That said, you would hardly want to lean on the fence having a yarn with them would you. You couldn’t sing out “Come over for a cold one” or invite them to a barbecue, Hell one of your mates (or theirs) might drop in.Ahh watch out you don’t call them ‘mate’ they might get the wrong idea.Don’t mind the sheila next door ogling my tight buns and lithe muscular body but being leered at by a Queer, no thanks. Then theres the kids, having the Missis fretting that they walk on the other side of the road and waiting at the gate for them to get back from school. Hmm maybe the mongrel mob wouldn’t be so bad.

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  121. Chuck Bird () says:

    Jenni, says, “Where on earth does that come from. Why do you automatically assume that homosexuals prey on children.
    In my experience, it is the heterosexual males that have that “gift” ”

    More car accidents are caused by sober drivers than drunk drivers. So, using you logic or lack of it it would make sense to encourage drunk drivers. Also, there are more accidents caused by drivers over 21 than those under 21. Does that prove that drivers under 21 are safer drivers? Of course not as there are far more drivers are over 21 than under 21.

    I am sure you understand that. Probably partly because you believe driving drunk is irresponsible. The same logic applies to the sexual abuse of adolescents. I struggle to find a reason why you and other liberals find this concept hard to follow. I would think most people should understand the meaning of the word disproportionate?

    One can argue semantics and debate about the percentage of homosexuals in the population or how many adolescent girls and boys are sexually abused but these is no getting away for the fact that there are a disproportionate number adolescent boys sexually abused.

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  122. Chuck Bird () says:

    Jeff says, “Chuck comes out to hijack any topic relating to homosexually to promote his misinformed, illogical and not even close to reality “opinion” as to what goes on in the head of most homosexuals. While the behavior he speaks about does exist in a very small proportion of gays, it is more prevailant in hetrosexuals. ”

    Kindly, show evidence that the behavior I speak about it is more prevalent in heterosexuals. Firstly please read my response to Jenni. I am not talking about absolute numbers but numbers relating to the percentage of homosexuals in the population. Kindly do not try to class closet bi sexuals as heterosexuals.

    I have never claimed to know what each homosexual person is thinking? Therefore your question is not relevant. You claim I have this delusion that all gay men are looking at young boys and wanting to have sex with them. Kindly show where I said any such thing or are you a mind reader?

    You state, “I have far more insight into how gay peolple think than you and guess what, the thought of any person gay or straight taking advantage of a young boy of girl is replusive to all of us.”

    Let me ask you this. What do you think of a 40 year old having sex with a 16 year old? Would that be accepted in your community? I mean if a 40 old man showed up at a party with a 16 year old boy what would be the reaction of others at the party?

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  123. Jeff () says:

    Chuck
    “Let me ask you this. What do you think of a 40 year old having sex with a 16 year old? Would that be accepted in your community? I mean if a 40 old man showed up at a party with a 16 year old boy what would be the reaction of others at the party?”
    I would have the same reaction as I would if it was a 40yr man and a 16yo GIRL. You should be repulsed because the man is a paedaphile not because he is homosexual.

    “Kindly, show evidence that the behavior I speak about it is more prevalent in heterosexuals. Firstly please read my response to Jenni. I am not talking about absolute numbers but numbers relating to the percentage of homosexuals in the population. Kindly do not try to class closet bi sexuals as heterosexuals.

    I have never claimed to know what each homosexual person is thinking? Therefore your question is not relevant. You claim I have this delusion that all gay men are looking at young boys and wanting to have sex with them. Kindly show where I said any such thing or are you a mind reader?”

    Look it is clear that you have it in for gay people, others on this thread have also drawn the same conclusion that you see all gays as deviant. Your position that as a proportion gays are more likely to be child abusers it what is motivating you. Where is your proof and why do you concentrate on the man/boy and not man/girl. Would you not agree that girl victoms far out weigh boys so why don’t you crusade to protect girls. Actually don’t answer as I can see the point debating with a tool like you.
    PAEDAPHILES ARE INTO CHILDREN NOT HOMOSEXUALS

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  124. Chuck Bird () says:

    Jeff, It sound to me like you are admitting that your are bigot. You are saying do not answer as I do not want to be confronted with the results. I will answer tomorrow provided this thread is not shut down. It is a simple fact that see all gays as deviant it is not my problem that you can not tell the difference between fact and opinion.

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  125. Chuck Bird () says:

    Jeff, you may not like to look at the truth regarding the different in the rates of sexually offending by homosexuals compared with heterosexuals. However, others on this blog who do not have a closed mind may like to judge the facts for themselves.

    The following excerpt should convince most

    http://traditionalvalues.org/urban/one.php

    “For example: In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199 cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.”

    If anyone needs more to convince them of the facts.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=13210

    “Rape of a sacred trust
    How pedophiles have targeted the Boy Scouts of America

    Posted: October 5, 2000
    1:00 a.m. Eastern
    By David M. Bresnahan
    © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com
    Editor’s note: The following report is excerpted from an in-depth exploration of pedophilia, homosexuality and the Boy Scouts of America in the October edition of WND’s sister publication, the monthly WorldNet Magazine. Readers may subscribe to WorldNet at WND’s online store.

    By David M. Bresnahan
    © 2000, WorldNetDaily.com, Inc.
    “You shouldn’t have done it. It ruined our lives,” cried one of several boys from the back row of a Medina, Ohio, courtroom last week.

    Michael Maggy, 35, a former Boy Scout leader, had just pleaded guilty to rape and sexual battery, and the poignant comments from his victims were brought home by a sentence of life in prison issued by Medina County Common Pleas Judge Christopher J. Collier.

    “I know what I have done to you,” Maggy said to his scout victims, as reported in the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “I can’t apologize enough.” Confessing that he too had been sexually molested as a boy, Maggy said he had lacked the courage to seek help.

    “I did not get counseling or even talk about it. Look where it got me,” he said.

    Crafting ‘gay’ children”

    Take note. I have not said or implied that all homosexuals molest adolescent boys but the evidence that a disproportionate do is overwhelming.

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