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PhilBest – how about you come here and talk about abortion.
Start by explaining at which point prevention of a potential human life is OK and at which point it isn’t.
My continuum runs something like this (in reverse chronological order):
– after birth but before child can focus on people
– at birth
– third trimester
– second trimester
– as a foetus
– as a blastocyst
– at point of fertilisation (i.e. prevent implantion)
– barrier to the sperm (i.e. prevent fertilisation)
– avoid sperm getting inside the women (i.e. rhythm method or some such)
– don’t have sex even though opportunity existed
Somewhere along that continuum it became wrong to terminate. I would definitely argue that the top two and maybe three are wrong, and that the bottom four are fine (so I’m not a catholic and therefore am OK with condoms three from the bottom, and also OK with IUDs four from the bottom). I’m generally OK with five and six from the bottom as well. So my grey area is the second trimester.
Care to explain where you see the line being drawn, and why?
[DPF: My gut reaction has been to look at what marks death - the cessation of brain activity. So what should mark life - the start of brain activity which is at around the 12 week mark]
I find it sadly ironic that volunteer Christmas lunch servers were inundated by record numbers of poverty stricken clients from a cross section group of unfortunates. Or to put this is in our lovely Miss Klark’s own deluded words, it is ; “extrapolated from an anecdote ”
I do wonder how many kiwi families will leave this cess pit for greener pastures across the ditch before the election ?
I can well recall, D4J, having one Jenny Shipley sitting a few feet away from me (in a radio studio) and expounding upon how private charity ought to be doing the work of the welfare state and that if we simply kept cutting benefits then organisations such as those who fed the hungry and homeless at Christmas would simply do so every day.
(She also responded to my suggestion that government set aside allotments for city welfare recipients to grow veges, as happens overseas, with the opinion that ‘they wouldn’t know how’ to raise cabbages).
I can remember thinking that I’d just met the kind of politician who needed to be kept as far away as possible from the reins of power (so much for my wishful thinking – this was before she went on to become PM).
But that’s what puzzles me about those who come here and support the present government (and many of those who do so elsewhere). Do they not adhere to the worthy principles on which the Labour Party was founded? Because I don’t recall Savage et al ever giving voice to the kind of vision espoused that day by Shipley – yet that’s exactly what 9 years of this government has delivered to many people.
9 years of government has delivered New Zealand a cot case society with lawlessness and child abuse rapidly spiraling out of control . Teachers are getting bashed at schools, while hospitals are struggling as mangers grab all the money and patients die on waiting lists . I could go on for 20 million words on how the liarbore socialist creeps have destroyed our Nation’s identity, as children struggle with low self esteem levels . Families are leaving this country at an unprecedented level , never seen before . Reason why = Helen Clark and callous corruption and incompetence !!
I think the Austrian economist Wilhelm Ropke was right when he said ;
” The welfare state is the favourite playground of a cheap sort of moralism, and cheap morality is anything but moral .”
Why are we worried about people leaving the country? Clearly this country has given them the skills and wealth necessary to move overseas and get employment there. If things were bad in New Zealand, people wouldn’t be able to afford to move overseas, and wouldn’t be able to find skilled employment overseas. Many overseas destinations for NZ-leavers are ones where the worst-off are far far worse off than they are in New Zealand. They’re advantageous to the wealthy, and New Zealand is producing wealthy families who move overseas to enjoy that advantage.
D4J where did you goto school? Your grammar and spelling is quite simply atrocious. Also, why do you put spaces between your punctuation? Does that represent anything in particular or is this you trying to be “cool”?