Maori Party angry at Labour

July 10th, 2008 at 7:52 pm by David Farrar

TV3 reported tonight how angry the was at , for their role in publicising the allegations against . It seems a staffer for was circulating copies of the article in Truth to journalists before it was even published. That strongly suggests they were working with the newspaper to get the story out there.

Labour are desperate to have Parekura Horomia retain his seat, but they may win the battle but lose the war. was making it pretty clear that they would find it very hard to work with Labour after the election, because of this. To quote TV3:

Maori Party co-leader Tariana Turia says Labour has all but blown its chances of a coalition deal at the next election.

So with NZ First and United Future saying they will give first preference to the biggest party, and not even the Greens yet willing to commit to Labour that means their only friend right now is the Jim Anderton Party.

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56 Responses to “Maori Party angry at Labour”

  1. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    “Labour has all but blown its chances of a coalition deal at the next election”
    FFS what level of smarmy, two-faced venal self-interested arrogance does Labour have to stoop to before the Maori Party wise up?
    The Maori Party would not even exist it it hadn’t been for the public humiliation of Turia at the hands of Helen Clark yet, given ‘the last cab off the rack’ seems still willing to be used as a political punch-bag by Clark and her strategists (Simpson), why would Labour even pause to take a drag on their smoke, before they resume the beating?

    Blow those smug motherf**ers out ot the water! Put them out of their misery, and while you are at it, fight the seat, and get Horomia out on his ass.

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  2. Monty (980 comments) says:

    seems like all of Labour has ben told to be Do you guys not believe that Helen who used to sanction nasty and vile put-downs and lies, is now the one using every opportunity to do the job her self. AS Michael Bassett wrote

    “as vicious, nasty and opportunist as anyone” (Helen Clark 1990)

    Do you guys not believe that Helen who used to sanction nasty and vile put-downs and lies, is now the one using every opportunity to do the job her self. AS Michael Bassett wrote

    ” In 1990 at the very last Labour caucus that I attended, when everyone was moping over our well-deserved trouncing, Helen Clark, then Deputy Leader, told the assembled Labour MPs something that I wrote down carefully at the time. She said she would be – and I quote from my caucus notes – “as vicious, nasty and opportunist as anyone” in the fight to return Labour to the Treasury benches. Those remarks were a forewarning. The only religious belief most modern Labourites seem to hold is their divine right to govern, to impose their views on others”

    Seems like she has not changed one little bit. She now has decreed to all Labour MPs and Staffers to go for for the dirt and take no prisoners.

    Should see Labour dip below 20% in the election – New Zealanders despise such vile and nasty people.

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  3. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    Last I head labour were going for the flammable LPG combination. There’s no M in LPG. They’ve made that pretty clear now in case you missed it.

    [DPF: This is one extra reason why one knows 08wire’s material is coming out of the PM’s Office. They care calling for LPG. No one outside the Beehive would care a fuck about the P and would just talk about a Labour/Green Government. It is a sure sign of Beehive insiders]

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  4. Inventory2 (10,409 comments) says:

    I had to laugh! Helen Clark and Shane Jones are proclaiming that the staffer from Jones’s office was acting on his/her own initiative by leaking the article, and has been disciplined. Now THAT excuse sounds like Crosby/Textor-speak to me!! Has Helen been having some secret sessions? C’mon Helen, ‘fess up!

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  5. Monty (980 comments) says:

    I heard a rumour that Anderton will not be seeking re-election as he is unable to stomach an extended period in opposition. Negotiations are underway for Robson to take the seat under a Labour ticket. Just that nothing can happen before the election is called. Labour aer under a lot of stress and their poor political managment as they lurch from crisis to crisis proves it.

    The worst thing for Labour will be the Maori Party and National working constructively together – Maybe 12 years before Labour return to the treasury benches.

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  6. Inventory2 (10,409 comments) says:

    Having just spent a few days in Christchurch, you can’t escape the feeling that it’s no longer a “red zone”. Several people I spoke to suggested that one or two “safe” Labour seats could produce very interesting results on election night.

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  7. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,753 comments) says:

    Now that’s the natural order of life. Everyone wants to give Labour a good kicking while they’re down. The Maori party will now romp home in all the Maori seats and attract a significant proportion of party vote that would otherwise have gone to Labour.

    Labour really are losers. Good to see Tariana Turia finally get some pay back on Hels. Turia will actually out survive her in parliament meaning she can give the slow clap at Hels valedictory speech. The rest of New Zealand will of course be celebrating that day as well.

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  8. Ian Llewellyn (20 comments) says:

    I can’t speak for other gallery offices, but our copy of the Truth story was supplied to me by my editor who received an advance proof from Truth who supply these on a weekly basis to get publicity. We were not supplied it by any Labour staffer

    [DPF: Thanks for that Ian. Maybe Truth supplied it to MPs at the same time, and Jones’ office then started circulating it not realsing most media would already have it? I’m guessing of course and just going off what TV3 have reported.]

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  9. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    “Now THAT excuse sounds like Crosby/Textor-speak to me!! Has Helen been having some secret sessions?”

    Inventory, Have you considered the possibility that the staffer was indeed acting on his/her own initiative? Some of them do, you know.

    And DPF, if you thought that Turia was at all warm to the idea of any form of deal with Labour, you haven’t been keeping up with the play.

    [DPF: Well Peter we have both worked in the Beehive and I doubt your experience is that different to mine – namely that this sort of activity well exceeds what you would expect from a staffer without sanction from their boss.

    And Tariana may never have been too keen herself, but now her whole Party may be less so]

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  10. Fisiani (1,047 comments) says:

    What is a safe Labour seat? Surely this is an oxymoron. With informed and coordinated tactical voting in constituencies so that the riff-raff of ignored voters in safe Labour seats combine in a never before seen informal coalition they could teach a lesson that will resonate for years.
    EVERYONE WHO IS NOT LABOUR LEANING VOTE FOR THE CONSTITUENCY CANDIDATE MOST LIKELY TO BEAT LABOUR. Save your important Party Vote for the Party of your choice. If this were carried out then only those Labour MP’s who have gained 50+%, (hell, no make that 60+ % with current swing) would survive. Red could virtually disappear from the map leaving only list MP’s. Mmm Delicious.

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  11. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    “if you thought that Turia was at all warm to the idea of any form of deal with Labour, you haven’t been keeping up with the play”

    so Philu is talking shit then?

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  12. Lindsay Addie (1,589 comments) says:

    If Labour aren’t careful the only support they will have in Parliament post election will be The Jimbo Party!

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  13. Gooner (995 comments) says:

    DPF, you forgot the crook Tiler Phillip Field.

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  14. peterwn (3,303 comments) says:

    Labour has gone stark starin’ mad lately. In the early 2000’s they were invincible – nothing National could say could make any dent in Helen or her MP’s – they were teflon coated.

    Now they are just a joke. They held a retreat at Premier House about the only idea they could come up with is to make drivers previously convited of drink drive have breath testers fitted to their cars.

    They are getting their knickers in a twist because national will not release all its policy now – as someone quite rightly pointed out, Labour has not released an election date!

    Helen criticises John and Bill for taking a bit of leave implying they are not prepared to put in the long hours. Anyway who is she to preach on their time management – one could judge her time management abilities on the need to be driven through Canterbury at a neck break speed. Bill dares respond saying he wanted to have a break with the kids, and Helen’s minders accuses him of making a back handed comment about her family affairs (or lack of).

    A ANZ Bank guy says the Public Service is bloated, and Trevor denies it, I think I know who most people will believe. Trevor said it was under-staffed in 1999, but then national did not need all the spin doctors and other hangers-on that Labour seems to need.

    And so it goes on.

    The only slightly sensible thing they have done is to arrange a fall-guy to take the rap when the smear campaign conspiracy against Derek Fox was blown open.

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  15. kisekiman (219 comments) says:

    Patrick,

    That is a rhetorical question, surely? One might say he lives and breathes it.

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  16. tim barclay (886 comments) says:

    The Maori Party represents a lot more than anti Labour. They represent something new. Labour have taken the maori vote as a given, the deal was “we will give you welfare money but shut up and vote for us”. They have always had lightweights as their MPs. Despite 70 years of support the Labour Party have never given their maori MPs a serious portfolio – never Finance, a Leadership role, never a serious social services portfolio, Justice, nor Foreign Affairs. That is the soft prejudice the Labour Party whitey’s have had against Maori. And for years maori have bought it. But no longer. So the nasty little spat the Labour Party is having against the Maori Party is the long slow painful death of maori support for Labour. Meanwhile on the other front middle NZ have gone to National. So what is left. Not much.

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  17. burt (8,309 comments) says:

    I think the best thing that Maori could do is cast their party vote for the Maori party. A Maori party of 10-15 seats would plant Maori representation squarely on the agenda in Parliament. It is great to see Labour’s traditional allies finally realise Labour has been shitting on them for decades. Labour on 25-35 seats would be a glorious thing. If Labour win this election I’m leaving NZ. The bludgers and the muppets that like inept self serving govt can see how well they get on with an ever decreasing number of tax payers.

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  18. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    Patrick Starr, “so Philu is talking shit then?”

    Patrick, If he suggested that Turia is at all inclined to any form of deal with Labour, then you’re not too far off the mark. But I’d be surprised if Philu said that.

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  19. Fisiani (1,047 comments) says:

    Local newspapers could provide a great service pointing out relative ranking of constituency candidates in General and Maori seats. 2005 results tell us who was second placed and there may well be some local polls. eg Wellington Central with several thousand majority in 2005 to Marion Hobbs has a new Labour candidate Grant Robinson. But National has a phenominally popular and talented candidate Stephen Franks with ministerial potential who could easily attract Green, Maori, United Future, ACT and Winston First to become the local MP. Could tagging win the seat. Could chalking. Could placard bombing? Could local paper voting advice?

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  20. reid (16,632 comments) says:

    Well said Tim.

    I must say that since Clark treated Turia in the way she did, I have never viewed Clark the same way.

    The way she set Turia up by suggesting she lie down in the limo’s backseat was a calculated nasty spiteful pointless ultimately counter-productive and utterly revealing act.

    One thing you don’t do to any Maori is treat them with anything less than respect and for Clark to do that, not to a natural enemy, but to an ex-team member who had shown previous loyalty, revealed to me a character flaw I’ve been tracking ever since.

    She can’t tolerate disloyalty. I mean, she doesn’t just not deal with it calmly, she throws the cause out the window and smashes its face in with a shovel.

    So Turia was cast on the scrapheap, but that’s not the flaw. Many political leaders do that to their colleagues, after all. Few however do it by a calculated humiliation, cutting off, as Helen should have known at the time, all possibility of reconciliation.

    Which may well cost her the 4th term she greatly covets, most especially since the UN job headed south. She’s a very interesting person is Helen Elizabeth Clark.

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  21. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Jafa
    Be surprised then. Philu has been saying that for the last couple of months. Lab/Green/Maori – done deal.

    I suspect that is why he hasn’t been trolling here since the 6pm news

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  22. Nomestradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    Jafapete:

    Patrick, If he suggested that Turia is at all inclined to any form of deal with Labour, then you’re not too far off the mark. But I’d be surprised if Philu said that.

    I don’t recall reading Philu saying that either. But he’s on record as predicting a Labour/Green/Maori coalition as our next government – I presume he includes Jim Anderton in there as well. See here for a recent comment to this effect. I specifically remember this comment in particular, though there are others, as Philu was responding to me. Philu wouldn’t have made that prediction unless he considered it likely that Turia would endorse Labour. I’d be interested to know if his position has changed in light of this latest development.

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  23. pdm (844 comments) says:

    peterwn said the only thing that the Labour retreat could come up with is breatherlysers in the cars of convicted drink drivers.

    That means Dyson will have one in her car!!!

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  24. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Thanks for clarifying Nomestradamus. i hadn’t seen that particular post as a ‘prediction’. His later posts were portrayed as a done deal but its always had to tell what exactly he is trying to say

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  25. Gooner (995 comments) says:

    We shouldn’t forget either that in 2005 when Mallard made his (in)famous ‘American Bagman’ comment and started leaking that vile shit, Helen Clark said the same thing in Parliament a few weeks earlier then vehemently denied she had any knowledge Mallard was going to cut loose with the same stuff. And of course she is the self-confessed Chief Political Strategist of Labour so of course she would have known about this. Unless of course Labour is so dysfunctional that its Chief Political Strategist doesn’t know of the latest Chief Political Strategy?

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  26. Buggerlugs (1,592 comments) says:

    I’m sorry, but a party saying all bets are off now doesn’t carry much weight…just imagine if Clark could offer the Maori Party whatever it wanted post-election to make up a coalition. What carries the weight? Foxy getting nailed, or more stuff for the Maori Party constituents…tough choice.

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  27. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Buggerlugs. totally – but always good to rattle and hum (unsettles the zombies!)

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  28. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    Well, isn’t that a shocker. Jones does seem to have become the caucus “brown-neck” — you know, the bovver boy who says and does shit that would come across as a wee bit racist from one of the white ones. And while I find it a little hard to believe that Clark (or at least a senior member of caucus or her staff) didn’t know Jones is moonlighting as a paper boy, it’s not totally impossible. In which case, you’ve really got the question the judgement of another one of Labour’s great brown hopes.

    And Horomia better be back in the electorate distancing himself from this — and making it clear that Jones should stay as far away from his campaign as physically possible, preferably the North Pole –, otherwise he’s toast.

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  29. Buggerlugs (1,592 comments) says:

    Ummmm… Craig, I think the term for Jones is ‘Uncle Tom’

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  30. Nomestradamus (3,433 comments) says:

    Craig Ranapia:

    And Horomia better be back in the electorate distancing himself from this — and making it clear that Jones should stay as far away from his campaign as physically possible, preferably the North Pole –, otherwise he’s toast.

    Your comment prompted me to look at the 2005 election results in Horomia’s electorate (Ikaroa-Rawhiti):

    Electorate Number: 63 Final: Yes
    Polling Places Counted: 263 of 263 (100.0%) Votes Counted: 18,495
    Winning Candidate: HOROMIA, Parekura (LAB) Majority: 1,932

    Parties
    Labour Party 10,639
    Mâori Party 5,122
    Destiny New Zealand 360

    Candidates
    HOROMIA, Parekura LAB 9,502
    POANANGA, Atareta MAOR 7,570
    TE KANI, Tauha DNZ 614

    So, last time round, it was a decisively safe Labour seat, and Horomia had a reasonable majority. Could someone point me to the most recent poll results for that electorate? I suspect things have gone pear-shaped for Labour there.

    And, interestingly, this from Scoop earlier this year:

    “The Ikaroa Rawhiti candidate selection campaign was extremely tough” said Party President, Whatarangi Winiata. “Derek faced formidable competition from the extremely strong lineup of Glenis Philip-Barbara, Mereana Pitman, Keriana Tawhiwhirangi and Atareta Poananga”.

    So the Maori Party has shafted Atareta Poananga in favour of Derek Fox. Anyone have any views on this?

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  31. John Dalley (394 comments) says:

    Tony Veitch – Derek Fox. Spot the difference?

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  32. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    Ummmm… Craig, I think the term for Jones is ‘Uncle Tom’

    You think wrong. That is all. Please go read Uncle Tom’s Cabin, and how that particular term has been used to denigrate blacks who don’t hold approved political views and you might understand why I don’t throw it around.

    So, last time round, it was a decisively safe Labour seat, and Horomia had a reasonable majority.

    When Derek Fox stood as an independent in 1999, Horomia’s majority was 695. Fox does have serious networks and profile in Ikaroa-Rawhiti, and so does the Maori Party. If he wasn’t seen as a serious threat (and justifiably so) why start with the mudpies at all?

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  33. Buggerlugs (1,592 comments) says:

    Yeah, Dullardy, I spot the difference. One took his medicine, the other paid up $100K to cover it up. Quite simple really. But couldn’t expect a numbskull like you to spot that.

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  34. Buggerlugs (1,592 comments) says:

    ah, beg to differ Craig: “Uncle Tom is a pejorative for a (my insertion: Maori) person who is perceived by others as…seeking ingratiation with them by way of unnecessary accommodation. “

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  35. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    and labour make sure they carefully cultivate their ‘brown’ credentials *gag* by having shane jones do the dirty on his ‘bro’.

    feck labour make me sick,

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  36. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    ah, beg to differ Craig: “Uncle Tom is a pejorative for a (my insertion: Maori) person who is perceived by others as…seeking ingratiation with them by way of unnecessary accommodation. “

    No, I’ve had first hand accounts that Jones is an arrogant prick with a nasty streak and a sense of entitlement disproportionate to his actual abilities even when whitey is nowhere to be seen.

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  37. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,753 comments) says:

    Double dipper Shane Jones sense of entitlement has always been on show.

    To be fair, his boss Hels has a pretty hefty sense of entitlement to the position of Prime Minister. It’s fun watching the train wreck of reality plow right into her dreams and desires for a fourth term in office.

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  38. tim barclay (886 comments) says:

    Shane Jones taste for Armani suits (where did he get that from) meant he had to keep double dipping until he got into Cabinet, and when that happened he stopped the double dipping. Still he does represent aspirational Maori, which is something the Labour Party is having difficulty adjusting to.

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  39. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Probably ‘working style’ in wellington, thats normally where the aspirational man with no individual taste and little imagination goes.

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  40. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..# jafapete (596) Add karma Subtract karma +1 Says:
    July 10th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Patrick Starr, “so Philu is talking shit then?”

    Patrick, If he suggested that Turia is at all inclined to any form of deal with Labour, then you’re not too far off the mark. But I’d be surprised if Philu said that..”

    i have long held the next gummint will be lab/grn/mp..and yes..!..prog in there too..

    and in the news report on turia being pissed off about this..

    ..she referred to ‘all the work that has been done to restore/repair the relationship with labour’..

    but hey..!..if you natties still want to run with your little fantasy..?

    up to election day..?

    be my guest..!..

    eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  41. big bruv (14,137 comments) says:

    Phul

    How about putting your (my) money where your rather large mouth is?

    After election day if we do not end up with a Lab/Green/MP government then you agree to never darken Kiwiblog again with your presence?

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  42. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    big bruv…is it you..?.. or big bro..?

    and i thought i ‘lightened’ kiwiblog with my presence..

    ..knocking down/taking the piss out of the easy targets you lot are..

    eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  43. big bruv (14,137 comments) says:

    So you are not that confident about a Lab/Green/MP government then?

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  44. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    are you not long out of the schoolyard..?..bb..?

    ..still big on ‘dares’..eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  45. big bruv (14,137 comments) says:

    Its a simple question Phul, given that you are so confident of a left wing victory I would have thought you would be more than happy to take the bet.

    How about I up the stakes a bit?

    If there is a Lab/Green/MP government I will leave Kiwiblog for good, if there is a National led govt you do the same.

    What say you Phul?

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  46. 3-coil (1,222 comments) says:

    philu – you are avoiding a rather simple question. Cat got your tongue?

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  47. Ross Miller (1,706 comments) says:

    Dear old Shane Jones … developing a penchant for the old foot in month stuff. As a investor in Vision Senior Ltd I popped over to KeriKeri last night for the official opening of their new retirement village. Jones was the officiate. Did ok until in his homily he said that he would be recommending to his colleague Dover Samuels that he should purchase a unit there; that his “ten guitars’ would certainly liven the place up.

    You could hear the audible gagging as several dozen pairs of false teeth were sucked down throats.

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  48. PaulL (6,043 comments) says:

    Lucky I shop at Working Style in Christchurch then. I’m pretty sure that Working Style don’t sell Armani suits.

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  49. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    Don’t see what this changes. The Maori Party were always more likely to abstain on confidence votes rather than enter into a formal coalition with Labour, and they still haven’t counted the former out.

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  50. reid (16,632 comments) says:

    How the hell can the lefties imagine an LPG will ever get the required numbers anyway? I mean it’s just nuts.

    Newsflash: Green-oriented middle-class women are much more worried about the economy than the environment right now. You’ve lost that segment that you picked up last time. Bzzzt.

    Newsflash: Public perception is that Liarbore mis-managed the economy by failing to reduce spending during the good times in order that it may have spent during these bad times. The line that it’s caused by global conditions whilst accepted won’t negate that perception. Personally I don’t agree with that Keynesian model but that’s what Cullen was and he didn’t do what the model prescribes. Bzzzt.

    Newsflash: People are starting to feel more insecure than they have for two decades and it’s going to get rapidly worse. People don’t want to see their leaders bickering in such conditions. Liarbore is leading the charge in that area. Bzzzt.

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  51. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “Green-oriented middle-class women are much more worried about the economy than the environment right now.”

    But the Green Party are polling higher than their 2005 election result. Where is your rationale?

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  52. reid (16,632 comments) says:

    “But the Green Party are polling higher than their 2005 election result. Where is your rationale?”

    They’re gaining their support from previously committed Liarbore supporters who can’t bring themselves to vote National.

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  53. getstaffed (9,186 comments) says:

    They’re gaining their support from previously committed Liarbore supporters who can’t bring themselves to vote National.

    A vote for the Greens is a vote to retain Helen Clark and Labour. Pure and simple.

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  54. reid (16,632 comments) says:

    I kinda view a vote for the Greens more like a vote that will ensure the Nats win by a landslide getstaffed.

    These days I’m smiling like John Hawkesby did after he won his settlement.

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  55. Fisiani (1,047 comments) says:

    To all Maori Party Voters and all who are sickened by this Government and want a change on November 8th have a look at http://2005.electionresults.govt.nz/electoratestatus.html

    which outlines who was second in each consituency and thus gives an indication for tactical voting. 3 of the top 8 most vulnerable seats could go to Maori Party with a small swing.

    All 17 seats I have listed below are winnable and even some with larger majorities are vulnerable I believe.

    We have the foot on the throat. We now have to ram it home.

    Government seats at risk include
    1.Otaki Darren Hughes Maj 382 Second Place NAT
    2.Rotorua S Chadwick 662 NAT
    3Hamilton West M Gallagher 825 NAT
    4Tainui N Mahuta 1860 MAORI
    5Banks Peninsula R Dyson 1923 NAT
    6Ikaroa-Rawhiti P Horomia 1932 MAORI
    7West -Coast Tasman D O’Connor 2154 NAT
    8Te Tai Tonga Oheroa 2503 MAORI
    9Auckland Central Tizard 3884 NAT
    10Waitakere Pillay 4942 NAT
    11New Plymouth H Duynhoven 5439 NAT
    12Palmerston N Maharey *(not sit) 5500 NAT
    13Waimakariri Cosgrove 5606 NAT
    14Hutt South T Mallard 5740 NAT
    15Well Central M Hobbs * 6180 NAT
    16Maungakiekie M Gosche * 6450 NAT
    17 Mana W Laban 6734 NAT

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  56. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..How about I up the stakes a bit?

    If there is a Lab/Green/MP government I will leave Kiwiblog for good, if there is a National led govt you do the same.

    What say you Phul?..”

    the only problem with that is that you righties are notorious/have a long track record..

    ..of telling us mug-punters what your polling companies tell you we want to hear..(big bruv (the pretender) going forever..?..yes please..!..

    ..i’ll vote for that..!..”)

    then..after the/any election…you rip off your p.r.-constructed) masks..

    ..break all your promises..

    ,,and get to work for your bosses..

    ..the bosses..)

    so.there’s no way i’m going to be textored by you..eh..?

    you know what they say…

    “take your textor..and shove it..!..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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