More on Peter’s evidence
September 11th, 2008 at 8:21 am by David FarrarWinston claimed last night it was all a conspiracy because Owen Glenn’s lawyer, Geoff Harley, represented Fay Richwhite 15 years ago at the WInebox. That was desperate enough, but the Herald reveals:
Dr Harley did not act for Fay Richwhite but was called by Fay Richwhite lawyers to give evidence as a tax law specialist.
Also Whale Oil points out an intriguing problem with the memo tabled by Peters from Marco Marinkovich. It is dated 29 August 2008. One part reads:
Vodafone records (attached) indicate I TXT Owen on that number on Saturday 23 December 2006.
But go to page 4 of the attachment and you will see that Vodafone e-mailed the Vodafone records yesterday on 9 September 2008.
So as Whale Oil points out, how do you write a memo on 29 August referring to an attachment you only received 11 days later? Time travel?
Presumably the memo was written in the last two days, but why then was a seemingly fake date put on it?
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- Clark also damns Peters
September 11th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Thought this could be all sorted in five minutes. It must be the longest five minutes in NZ political history….
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Will Peters now accuse Vodafone of being part of the “conspiracy”
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 8:37 am
The uncomplicated guide to the evidence so far…
Peter’s said he only heard about the donation on the day his mother died
(But we know Helen by her own admission had phoned him about it back in February)
Winston said he could not have thanked Owen Glenn at Karaka 2006 because he wasn’t there
(But Google have the photos to prove otherwise)
Winston said he paid back the $158,000 he owed the tax payers after the last election
(But the Dominion Post had rung 50 charities and none of them had received a cheque from Winston)
Yesterday in the house Helen said she was giving both Winston Peters and Owen Glenn “the benefit of the doubt”
(But they both can’t be telling the truth, because she herself said “there is clearly a conflict of evidence”)
Helen Clark also said in the house yesterday that “Frankly, I do not have reason to distrust my president’s word…”
(But back in February Mike Williams was caught out lying about the 100,000 interest free loan from Owen Glenn.
Mike Williams lying? (you be the judge)
Winston Peters lying? (you be the judge)
Helen Clark lying? (you be the judge)
Game, Set and Match
Clue: You do not need to be presently working on the Hadron collider to figure this one out
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 8:40 am
democracy mum can I use you post on MWT? would you email me on lee.monkeywithtypewriter.clark@gmail.com please?
Vote:whoops too late it’s already on there…:0)
September 11th, 2008 at 8:41 am
What I would like to hear more about is the KFC allegations?
Vote:Does anyone else remember last election night when all the other analysts on TV thought that National was on track to become the biggest party but Mike Williams was adamant that because of the booths yet to come in South Auckland Labour would probably make it. Did he have insider information?
Maybe an investigative journalist could ask KFC if any unusually large orders were made on election day?
September 11th, 2008 at 8:54 am
You mean …. chickens for votes!?! At least the electoral Commission will be able to weed out the dodgy ballot papers – they will have grease all over them
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Breaking news – there will be no sackings today!
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/09/newsflash-no-sacking-today.html
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:06 am
Peters should be jailed. he is a crook and corrupt. He and Clark have permanently damaged New Zealand’s reputation as a non-corrupt country.l
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:10 am
i see the announcment of peters’ death-notice’..for ‘by lunchtime today’..
..was somewhat premature..?
..better put away your knitting..dpf..
..and stick the tumbril back in the garage..
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Apparently the evidence is “inconclusive”. See the Herald front page, just updated. “PM unlikely to sack Peters today.”
“It is understood she considers Mr Peters’ evidence to the privileges committee last night has left the issue of the donation from Owen Glenn inconclusive and she will wait before making a decision on his future.”
WTF?!?! She really should run for office in Zimbabwe.
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Hmmmm. How does National get the Fried Chicken Vote?
Is Col Sanders listed as a donor to labour in the election returns?
Are 11 herbs and spices a declared election expense?
Was the order made with free range chickens to keep the greens happy?
Will the next Labour pledge card read ‘FRIED CHICKEN FOR EVERYONE!’
If they run out of chicken, will they change to winston’s goose? That’s cooked, apparently!
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Is this the same Marco Marinkovich who was creative director of Grey Advertising in the mid-nineties, and did the advertising creative for the New Zealand First party during several election campaigns?
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Some thing is creative that’s for sure, including his…ahem…memo and of course Winston Raymond Peters, 63, List MP of no fixed abode’s accounting practices.
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:18 am
english is on radio new zealand ..piously pontificating about ‘secret donations’..(!)
and you know what..?
..i don’t think he has any sense of irony..eh..?
god….he’s a sad/humourless git..!
..and yes..he mentioned ‘like russia’..
..(heh..!..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:19 am
emmess – Owen Glenn was on the phone to Mike Williams, and he said Mike said he was buying KFC for a line of about 200 people outside a polling booth in South Auckland – if they voted Labour of course!
At my local polling booth a Labour scrutineer was dressed in red and wearing a Labour rosette, when I went back to take a photo she/he (not being rude – I honestly couldn’t tell!) was actually crossing names of the list for voters before they were about to vote – illegal apparently.
By the way PM has announced Peters is safe for now…
[DPF: No that is legal and what scrutineers are there for]
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Has the ETS been passed yet? If not, wait for it before having Peters sacked.
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:21 am
Philip Ure – stop being such a dick. National and Labour declared their donations, even the anonymous ones. NZ First did not. I would have thought that was pretty easy to work out, even for you Phil!
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:25 am
“So as Whale Oil points out, how do you write a memo on 29 August referring to an attachment you only received 11 days later? Time travel?”
To give him the benefit of the doubt on this point, he could easily have rung Vodafone, got the information, written his memo, and asked them in the meantime to forward a hard copy through to him, which took a few days to be processed.
Overall however Owen Glenn’s evidence seems far more credible.
This whole issue however has been a great distraction from the real business of yesterday – the ETS was passed. The biggest economic reform since Rogernomics was pushed through last night with little mention from the media, because they were distracted by the Winston Peters affair. Was this an extremely cunning ploy by Labour, or just a fortunate coincidence?
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Peters said Glenn wanted a diplomatic passport so he could get through airports more quickly and so that it would facilitate his travel. They can certainly get you processed more quickly at airports but the downside to using them is that you often need a visa for the countries you are visiting – the same countries that don’t require a visa if you are travelling on a NZ passport.
NZ has visa-waiver agreements with over 70 countries and it means its a breeze to fly in and out of them, but because diplomatic passports entitle the bearer to various levels of protection (eg against arrest etc) then the host Governments often require the holders to get a visa beforehand, so that can be aware of the travel.
So when using a diplomatic passport you often have to plan your trip well in advance because you have to get all your visas organised first. A NZ diplomatic passport holder does not need visa when travelling around European countries, but stray into other continents and the advantage of a diplomatic passport for travel facilitation is severely eroded.
It becomes easier to use your regular passport becasue you can wait weeks for a visa to be issued in a diplomatic passport, and of course you can’t travel during this time because you have to hand your diplomatic passport over with your visa application to the local embassy.
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Conflicting evidence in the eyes of Helen Clark
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4072/evidencelt5.jpg
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Happy Birthday DPF— I hope you get what you wish for… maybe today, maybe when Helen’s choices are eventually reduced to one. Sack Winston… I hope you have a good day anyway
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Winston should be jailed. Klark too should be jailed. Along with Mike Williams and Owen Glenn. This level of corruption should have serious and unforgettable consequences, and there needs to be a loud and clear message sent to those who conspire to pervert the course of democracy.
This scandal reflects extremely poorly on NZ’s mainstream media. They pursued Don Brash with gusto about his perceived links to the Exclusive Brethren, and beat what was in reality a minor issue into a election winner for Labour. Today, we see the same partisan approach working to smokescreen Helen Kark’s primary role in the Glen/ Peter’s saga.
Just the other day, Bill (I haven’t decided who to vote for yet) Ralston said this- “Chris Trotter and the Ninth Floor need to remember it is the media’s job to be critical, look for fault and expose government blunders. That’s our job.”
Your job Bill?? Where was your concern for doing “your job” when you, along with all of the other (IMHO) Labour sympathizers in the media, did nothing while Helen Klark made blatantly false statements about her knowledge of the $100,000??
Do your job Bill?? Well here’s your big chance Bill, and Guyon, and Mark, a once in a lifetime chance, to give those words some substance. Klark is in this up to her damn eyebrows, and light needs to be shone on this fact and she should face charges. You want an expose, there’ll never be a better opportunity.
For objective journalists who REALLY want to do their job that is. Then again, you guys could always send off your CVs to Chavez. I hear he’s looking for “journalists”.
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:38 am
OH please, when will this nonsense be over. After nine years of contempt from our dear leader we now have to endure the humilitation of a parliament and media stuck in a major “truth warp”. What are they all afraid of? Have the “web of lies and deceit” caught them all so firmly that the truth is worse than what we are seeing now – who will crack and be the first to tell the truth, so this mess can be untangled the guilty punished appropriately.
For us as a nation to be able to move on and back into being seen as a credible democracy nothing less will do.
Coup anyone??? oh thats right, dear leader has knobbled the military too, maybe we will just have to go for a “peoples revolution” or has dear leaders brain washing crippled the peoples ability to think too.
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:43 am
I don’t understand why both Labour and Peters are now voicing Glenn’s intention of donating to them, even a five years old knows that you don’t give someone 500 thousand lollies for nothing. The fact that they both accepted the money fully knowing there were strings attached shows either…
A. They never planned to return the favor but accepted the money anyway (read NO integrity).
B. They intended to return the favor for the money (read corruption) but things didn’t work out.
hmmm… can someone please tell the liars get off their high horse!
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Don’t you guys get it?
Helen Clark is using due process to avoid sacking Winston Peters -which is, I suspect, was the only reason Margaret Wilson decided that Peters should go the the privileges committee to start with – and Wilson delayed that decision so that due process would last beyond the ETS legislation and the announcement of the election date of November 8.
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Oh, come on. Give the man a break. Peters is surrounded by incompetents and the ignorant who do not understand the complex subtlety of his mind. As I posted this morning, his defence before the Privileges Committee was breathtaking in its profundity, simplicity, and widespread ramifications. http://jtcontracelsum.blogspot.com/2008/09/s-files_11.html
Vote:Further, as more and more questions are begged about Helen Clark’s involvement in this whole sorry affair, we note that she steadfastly maintains that like Brutus, both Glenn and Peters are honourable men and that she cannot tell who is right or wrong. So, are we to conclude that this is a case of Clark having limited intelligence or is the question above her pay grade?
September 11th, 2008 at 9:55 am
In order for you to accept Winston’s version of events, you must believe the following.
Winston has a lawyer who does not issue bills to Winston. Therefore no debt exists
This Lawyer pursues donors who pay Winston’s non existent bills on Winston’s behalf, without Winston’s knowledge.
The Email from Henry to Glenn refers to an un-named client that was not Winston, but was a person that Glenn was talking to in a phone conversation at the exact same time that Glenn was talking to Winston?
Spare me! Does Owen Glenn use the same time machine as Marinkovich?
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 9:57 am
No suprises there. They used Winston’s mum’s death as a political tool in this fiasco, they’re not above anything. Abusing the system to get a bill passed is nothing.
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 10:05 am
I’m just waiting to find out that Helen was in Mangere early this morning. Anything to get her corruption out of the headlines.
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Couldn’t help spot the irony of the header of MM’s memo…’creativebank’
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 11:07 am
When you consider that marinkovich has hooked up with Cruella De Ville there is no surprise that the dates do not match.
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 11:22 am
The Winebox? Fay Richwhite? Oh spare me!
What get’s me is that apparently you can buy a government for $600k and an interest free loan…… temporarily!
And regarding the loan, perhaps Owen should start charging interest!
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 11:29 am
“So as Whale Oil points out, how do you write a memo on 29 August referring to an attachment you only received 11 days later? Time travel?”
Ahhhhh did the collider collide and create a time warp – if so, shall we dance
ROTFPML
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Lee C
“You mean …. chickens for votes!?! ”
The Kiwi version of the pork barrel?
Vote:September 11th, 2008 at 11:37 am
“Tim Ellis
September 11th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Is this the same Marco Marinkovich who was creative director of Grey Advertising in the mid-nineties, and did the advertising creative for the New Zealand First party during several election campaigns?”
Yes.
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