The Family Party want to ban this

September 5th, 2008 at 7:31 am by David Farrar

The Press reports:

About 40 girls paired up in Cathedral Square yesterday afternoon and locked lips in an effort to win a trip to Melbourne to see pop star Katy Perry, singer of the hit song I Kissed a Girl. …

The [Family] party released a statement yesterday saying the competition crossed the lines of decent public behaviour and sent the wrong message to young people.

This has the potential to become a major election issue. All the major parties need to state their policies on this issue of vital public concern, so voters can make an informed choice.

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87 Responses to “The Family Party want to ban this”

  1. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,786 comments) says:

    They should be promoting the televising of more wholesome family events like this on Television so the whole community get to feel the love. Handy promotion of New Zealand to the rest of the world for tourism purposes.

    Might reduce crime too. ;-)

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  2. gazzaj (106 comments) says:

    I’m not sure yet… can we see some more photos? :-)

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  3. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    and dont forget Dail Jones once tried to ban penthouse!

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  4. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,786 comments) says:

    Was it a bit nippily outside when that picture was taken?∞ :P %

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  5. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (759 comments) says:

    Nice pic! But damn that song’s annoying

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  6. Bryan Spondre (225 comments) says:

    “The [Family] party released a statement yesterday saying the competition crossed the lines of decent public behaviour and sent the wrong message to young people.”

    I’m voting for more photographs.

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  7. davidp (3,319 comments) says:

    I think this sort of thing is filthy and unacceptable.

    Could you post more photos so I can see just how filthy and unacceptable it is?

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  8. GJ (329 comments) says:

    As someone that has young girls in my own family, I say good on you Family Party. We have all witnessed a downturn in our Nation. Just look at the shambles we are currently dealing with in regards corruption in government. Sometimes we just don’t take the time to join all the bits of the puzzle together.
    Often we are happy to support things that don’t go beyond our own personal boundaries but equally get all up in arms when someone exceeds what we think is acceptable.
    I am certainly not a prude, but as a Father I think they are making a very good stand. Again good on you Family Party.

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  9. getstaffed (9,188 comments) says:

    Is there a line of ‘decent public behaviour’ these days? Or is anything ok for me (and to hell with everyone else) if I say so?

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  10. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    Sometimes we just don’t take the time to join all the bits of the puzzle together.

    I’m tempted to think that means ‘corruption in government’ = ‘more edgy radio competitions’ but that’d make too much sense.

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  11. bearhunter (859 comments) says:

    The filthy, depraved beasts, with their vile, animalistic behaviour, polluting the minds of the young with their excresences. Won’t someone please put a stop to the Family Party?

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  12. mygumboot (18 comments) says:

    Yeah, wher is the line, and does no one or any group have the right to draw it in the sand? Good on the Family party, at least they have a stand on it.

    Just as the gay, or prostitution or anti smacking groups drew their line and enacted law so can the family party if they can get the public or political support.

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  13. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    As in Homer Simpson.

    Llllllllghhhhhh ahhhhhhhh

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  14. goodgod (1,363 comments) says:

    The liberal slogan was always “what happens in the bedroom is our own business.” Now they seem to think it is “We can do anything we want, wherever we want, whenever we want, regardless.” I fully support Family Party’s stand. As mentioned many times on here, if you give these types a foot in the door, they’ll be in your home by next week. They need to learn that society has accepted their ways as long as they keep private life in private environments, as they requested, but that now they are just “empire building”. If they think conservatives are just going to sit back and not utter a word, they’ve got difficult times ahead. They shouldn’t be so outraged that there is an opposing opinion to theirs. It contradicts the liberal perspective. I don’t believe that people who think the way of public exhibitionists actually represent those who lead alternative lifestyles.

    Never been interested in girl on girl action. It’s homosexuality. Never been interested in any of that.

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  15. newman24 (31 comments) says:

    Hey – we live in a society that is allowed to express our views. I say well done the Family Party. At least it stops all of the gays and lesbians a tree-huggers spouting on as the only voice out there.

    Like them or hate them at least the Family Party knows where they stand.

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  16. burt (7,085 comments) says:

    Girls kissing girls – no surely not – it’s not natural you know – or is it?

    Just imagine if this kind of thing is seen as ‘acceptable’ before we know it people won’t be feeling ashamed about their sexuality and guilty about having sexual desire…. The only outcome of this is that that people stop going to Church and stop donating money to the Church…. Where will it end !

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  17. Peter C (40 comments) says:

    Burt – where it will end is with more rape, family breakdown, crime, disrespect for others and by implication disrespect for the law and the “glue” that holds society together, and has done for thousands of years.

    If you dont have a standard of morality then implicitly anything goes. Societies lowering of moral standards in the sexual and relational areas has allowed a lowering of standards in all areas of morality – with the current example of the behaviour of Peters and Clark acceptable to many and not being called into account (Clark) by the MSM (or 40% of voters???) because, at the end of the day, “anything goes”, we have much lower standards than before. ‘as you sow, so shall you reap” – and we are seeing this now, the results of 10, 20, 30 years of socialism and humanism

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  18. getstaffed (9,188 comments) says:

    newman24 – Do we need more or less pushback? Dutch council officials will permit gay sex in public areas but fine dog owners who let their pets off the leash in Amsterdam’s Vondelpark. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see the current social agenda taking us to the same place.

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  19. david (2,482 comments) says:

    Almost right gumboot.

    IMVHO, the groups yiou referred to actually erased the lines in the sand that have provided guidance and good order for thousands of years and have significantly contributed towards the development of civilised society. Now the big thing seems to be that society is not permitted to set standards (except of course when you are regulating real estate agents or parents).

    Wooohooo down the slippery slope we slide.

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  20. Zippy Gonzales (485 comments) says:

    Dykes on Dykes is MUCH better than Boobs on Bikes. Let’s hear it for the LUGS! (Lesbians Until Graduation)

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  21. burt (7,085 comments) says:

    Peter C

    Burt – where it will end is with more rape, family breakdown, crime, disrespect for others and by implication disrespect for the law and the “glue” that holds society together, and has done for thousands of years.

    Glue… don’t be a pillick. It’s a veneer, a glossy coating that only fools people who don’t want to know that just below the surface is a completely different story.

    I think you are drawing a very long bow associating socialism with sexuality. That’s a weak attempt to justify your own views.

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  22. burt (7,085 comments) says:

    Peter C

    “where it will end is with more rape”

    So have I got this correct, if girls are not ashamed and guilty about their sexuality then men will rape them more? Interesting… How does that work?

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  23. Peter C (40 comments) says:

    Burt – you first response is an ad hominen attack?

    and your second response “a veneer, a glossy coating that only fools people who don’t want to know that just below the surface is a completely different story” – what does this mean?

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  24. getstaffed (9,188 comments) says:

    burt – with the greatest respect .. that is bollocks.

    Describing the motivation for taking a moral stand as one of perceived financial gain is both wrong and a bit insulting.

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  25. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    dpf..

    ..is this a sop to your tit n’ guns constituency..?

    you’ve been ignoring them for a while..

    ..eh..?

    ..those ‘tits ‘n guns’..?

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  26. PaulL (5,774 comments) says:

    Get a grip. It is a radio competition. Most of those girls aren’t lesbians, they’re just trying to win a ticket. And they’re getting in the newspapers all over the place because many guys like seeing pictures of hot chicks kissing each other. Why? Not because we particularly like lesbians, just because we like pictures of hot chicks engaging in vaguely sexual behaviour with no other men around. Gives us the idea that if we were there we might have gotten lucky.

    As for the decline of civilisation that this will cause, and the greatly increased rape rate. Sorry, not convinced. It’s just another flavour of “if everyone was like me we wouldn’t be in this mess.” It is possible to not be in this mess without forcing everyone to be like you – have you not heard the saying variety is the spice of life.

    The underlying problem is not that we are failing to make our kids rote learn specific morals from a particular religion. The problem is that we are failing to teach our kids how to work out right from wrong based on first principles. It is OK to do something that doesn’t hurt other people. It isn’t OK to do things to do hurt other people. It isn’t OK to take others people’s stuff. And to explain why – society doesn’t work unless you have the ability to put yourself in the other person’s shoes. Do unto others etc etc.

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  27. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    I would support the Family Party in this as well.

    It looks like Katy Perry is going through that ‘rebellious teen’ phase. Her mother is a Christian preacher and hates the song

    Katy’s parents, both evangelical Christian preachers, say they are deeply ashamed of the star for ‘promoting a sin’. And her mother, Mary Hudson, declared: ‘I hate the song. It clearly promotes homosexuality and its message is shameful and disgusting.

    ‘Katy knows how I feel. We are a very outspoken family and she knows how disappointed her father and I are. I can’t even listen to that song. The first time I heard it I was in total shock. When it comes on the radio I bow my head and pray.’

    ‘Katy is our daughter and we love her but we strongly disagree with how she is conducting herself at the moment.

    ‘We cannot cut her out of our lives as she is our child but she knows we disagree strongly with what she is doing and the message she is promoting regarding homosexuality which the Bible clearly states is a sin.

    ‘But the Bible also promotes understanding and forgiveness, which I keep reminding myself.

    ‘Katy is not a homosexual but I fear she has been led astray by the Hollywood crowd. I pray all the time that God will work through her and help her find salvation.’

    Apparently, she grew up singing in church and released a Christian album in 2001 under the name Katy Hudson that didn’t sell so well. I guess there’s more money/fame in shock value, rather than following what are supposed to be your beliefs. Maybe she’ll come back when she’s grown up a little more.

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  28. burt (7,085 comments) says:

    getstaffed

    Insulting… Telling consenting adults how they should conduct themselves with regard to their sexuality is way more insulting than anything I can come up with as a reason for the Church wanting complete control of how people enjoy their bodies.

    Peter C.

    Can you tell me why the world is going to end in damnation because of this?

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  29. Peter C (40 comments) says:

    Burt – your 9.02 – “where it will end is with more rape” So have I got this correct, if girls are not ashamed and guilty about their sexuality then men will rape them more? Interesting… How does that work?”

    No Burt, you haven’t got it correct. Men predisposed to rape, sexual violence, domination of others for various reasons – these men are being fed and/or made available to them images, standards, repercussions that were not the case previously. Just because you and I and others can draw a line and express our sexuality appropriately, unfortunately not all men can.

    Law and standards are not about restricting fun but to a large extent are to corral and hold in check the baser motivations of some members of society that society as a whole needs to be protected against (their wrong behaviours that is).

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  30. getstaffed (9,188 comments) says:

    burt – I’m glad we agree on plenty of things here at KB. This one is going be a rare exception.

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  31. Buggerlugs (1,609 comments) says:

    has anyone else noticed the Family Fuckup Party have been adding negative karma to this thread with, ahem, gay abandon?

    And getstaffed, the line of public behaviour would definitely be crossed if there was a boys kissing boys thingy. Girls kissing girls? Pah, fun for all the family. I bet Capill would have been down there taking photos…

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  32. PaulL (5,774 comments) says:

    Peter C: I thought the research generally suggested that pornography reduced rape? Do you have any evidence that being able to see people engaged in normal and healthy affection (we’re talking about kissing here, not about having sex in public) is likely to lead to the depraved amongst us going into a sexual frenzy?

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  33. Peter C (40 comments) says:

    Burt – your 9.19am – the world is not going to end in damnation over this. I did not say that. I am sorry, I can’t afford the time today to argue/debate with someone who keeps putting words in my mouth or goes off on tangents. We’d be here all day.

    Happy to debate another day but have to get something out to a client! Talk to you later

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  34. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    So, who IS your photographer David?

    A think a whip around is in order.

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  35. Zippy Gonzales (485 comments) says:

    Help lower teen pregnancy rates. Say yes to lesbians!

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  36. burt (7,085 comments) says:

    getstaffed

    Fair enough. Easy to agree to disagree on this one.

    Peter C.

    Like Katy Perry I have had my share of “over bearing” religion in my upbringing. My lay preacher father (RIP) was the classic “Christian”. When he wasn’t bashing my mother and us kids he was having flings with other peoples wives in the church. One gets a little cynical when one looks past the “raise your hands for Jesus” veneer. A respected pillar of society is how most described him and if he were still alive he would also have been protesting loudly about this. I though the time he had a fling with a 19 year old parishioner he had gone to far and I told him as much, but I guess who am I to say what consenting adults can and can’t do.

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  37. goodgod (1,363 comments) says:

    This is the only time I’m going to do this:

    Get a grip. It is a radio competition.

    No it’s a public exhibit promoting homosexual/bi behaviour.

    Most of those girls aren’t lesbians, they’re just trying to win a ticket. And they’re getting in the newspapers all over the place because many guys like seeing pictures of hot chicks kissing each other. Why? Not because we particularly like lesbians, just because we like pictures of hot chicks engaging in vaguely sexual behaviour with no other men around. Gives us the idea that if we were there we might have gotten lucky.

    You know this how? Anecdotal evidence? Word from your friends? Assumption? Maybe it’s just a reflection of who you hang out with.

    As for the decline of civilisation that this will cause, and the greatly increased rape rate. Sorry, not convinced. It’s just another flavour of “if everyone was like me we wouldn’t be in this mess.” It is possible to not be in this mess without forcing everyone to be like you – have you not heard the saying variety is the spice of life.

    Conservatives don’t force other people to be like them, liberals do. These people are forcing others to entertain their lifestyle. They have no idea of the line between public persona and personal identity. They have no social manners.

    The underlying problem is not that we are failing to make our kids rote learn specific morals from a particular religion. The problem is that we are failing to teach our kids how to work out right from wrong based on first principles.

    First principles and moral guidence for western democracies came from the bible. That’s how our world was built. Now, since it’s done such good job of assisting the development of ideas and living conditions, people who don’t have any knowledge of what they play with want to play with the rules. Do let me know when you find an ancient greek cult still operating in modern society and enforcing it’s basic principles and influencing legislation. Show me the text that holds legislative influence like the bible does. Show me where legislature refers to Bacchus, Eros, Zeus or any other greek god. Show me which parliamentary prayers call out to greek deities. After all, Athens is still the centre of the world. Isn’t it? Oh that’s right it fell, and why? Liberal tendencies, state endorsed homosexuality, anything goes attitude.

    It is OK to do something that doesn’t hurt other people.

    I assume you mean that hurts yourself, but not others? Well that’s wrong too. There is no seperation between how you abuse yourself and it’s effect on society, even if you don’t go outside. Feel free to argue against 100 years of psychology. (I imagine that’s what happens on internet chat rooms). Everyone most certainly is his own “brother’s keeper” on a psychological level.

    It isn’t OK to do things to do hurt other people. It isn’t OK to take others people’s stuff. And to explain why – society doesn’t work unless you have the ability to put yourself in the other person’s shoes. Do unto others etc etc.

    Then put yourself in a conservative’s shoes. Consider people outside yourself. Consider that society was built before your style of thinking came along. How was it built? Step by step and by learning each mistake and finally arriving at the concept of etiquette, public manners and personal life – all separate. Liberals are getting exactly as they do unto others.

    “Taking it in its deepest sense, the shadow is the invisible saurian tail that man still drags behind him. Carefully amputated, it becomes the healing serpent of the mysteries. Only monkeys parade with it.” – CG Jung, The Integration of the Personality. (1939).

    That ought to get liberals frothing. Liberals and activists hate Jung. LOL But they cherry pick his stuff when it suits them for spiritualist purposes.

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  38. getstaffed (9,188 comments) says:

    burt – That’s pretty horrible re your father’s behaviour. I think you’ll find that his ‘Christianity’ was about as far from genuine as possible. After all, the fundamentals of Christianity call us to be increasingly like Christ. My reading of the life, values and integrity of the person of Jesus Christ suggest that our society could do with more of those real attributes, and less institutionalised religion.

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  39. burt (7,085 comments) says:

    This satiric letter has been around the internet for a number of years. It uses the humor of the absurd to remind us that many items of Biblical Law have “passed away” without any indications that God disapproves of the deletion. Our application of “God’s Law” should be tempered by remembering that God is a God of Love and Mercy not Wrath and Vengence. God love all of His children and bids us to relate with all of our brothers and sisters with love and respect.
    ———

    Dear Dr. Laura,

    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

    I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

    a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

    d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?

    e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

    f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this?

    g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

    h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?

    i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

    I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

    Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

    Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.

    ——-

    Source: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/drlaura.asp

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  40. goodgod (1,363 comments) says:

    If you quote the bible without understanding what you’re reading you only highlight your own ignorance.

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  41. PhilBest (5,112 comments) says:

    # mygumboot (15) Add karma Subtract karma +6 Says:
    September 5th, 2008 at 8:35 am

    “Yeah, where is the line, and does no one or any group have the right to draw it in the sand? Good on the Family party, at least they have a stand on it.

    Just as the gay, or prostitution or anti smacking groups drew their line and enacted law so can the family party if they can get the public or political support.”

    There is a difference. The Family Party is what it is, and everybody knows it. The “gay, prostitution and antismacking” groups have basically infiltrated and hijacked a mainstream political party with a whole lot of guaranteed votes from “the working class”, and legislated a whole lot of stuff that is not the reason they were given a mandate by their mainstream supporters. If we had a Swiss-style democracy, this could never have happened.

    The “gay, prostitution and antismacking” groups have just been a whole lot more politically organised than Christian traditionalists, for a variety of reasons. There is no reason that Christian traditionalists could not have been heavily active in the Labour Party for the last 30 years, and stopped all this from happening. But they would need to have been active in journalism and education, too; but again, the feminists and gay, prostitution and antismacking groups have had that all to themselves too. If anything, these groups efforts have even successfully penetrated and subverted the mainstream churches; there is nothing to stop a moral liberal reformer qualifying as a minister, and look at how many of them have.

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  42. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    fk me the japs are pulling all their cash home – the kiwi and usd are getting hammered v the jap.

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  43. PhilBest (5,112 comments) says:

    # david (553) Add karma Subtract karma +5 Says:
    September 5th, 2008 at 8:56 am

    “IMVHO, the groups you referred to actually erased the lines in the sand that have provided guidance and good order for thousands of years and have significantly contributed towards the development of civilised society. Now the big thing seems to be that society is not permitted to set standards (except of course when you are regulating real estate agents or parents).

    Wooohooo down the slippery slope we slide.”

    AGREE.

    And “goodgod”, THIS was well said:

    goodgod (469) Add karma Subtract karma +1 Says:
    September 5th, 2008 at 9:47 am

    “………Conservatives don’t force other people to be like them, liberals do. These people are forcing others to entertain their lifestyle. They have no idea of the line between public persona and personal identity. They have no social manners.

    The underlying problem is not that we are failing to make our kids rote learn specific morals from a particular religion. The problem is that we are failing to teach our kids how to work out right from wrong based on first principles.

    First principles and moral guidence for western democracies came from the bible. That’s how our world was built. Now, since it’s done such good job of assisting the development of ideas and living conditions, people who don’t have any knowledge of what they play with want to play with the rules. Do let me know when you find an ancient greek cult still operating in modern society and enforcing it’s basic principles and influencing legislation. Show me the text that holds legislative influence like the bible does. Show me where legislature refers to Bacchus, Eros, Zeus or any other greek god. Show me which parliamentary prayers call out to greek deities. After all, Athens is still the centre of the world. Isn’t it? Oh that’s right it fell, and why? Liberal tendencies, state endorsed homosexuality, anything goes attitude.

    It is OK to do something that doesn’t hurt other people.

    I assume you mean that hurts yourself, but not others? Well that’s wrong too. There is no separation between how you abuse yourself and it’s effect on society, even if you don’t go outside. Feel free to argue against 100 years of psychology. (I imagine that’s what happens on internet chat rooms). Everyone most certainly is his own “brother’s keeper” on a psychological level.

    It isn’t OK to do things to do hurt other people. It isn’t OK to take others people’s stuff. And to explain why – society doesn’t work unless you have the ability to put yourself in the other person’s shoes. Do unto others etc etc.

    Then put yourself in a conservative’s shoes. Consider people outside yourself. Consider that society was built before your style of thinking came along. How was it built? Step by step and by learning each mistake and finally arriving at the concept of etiquette, public manners and personal life – all separate. Liberals are getting exactly as they do unto others……”

    Thanks, guys, I would have tried to say something like that if you hadn’t already.

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  44. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    yep expat..

    ..this is the one lots of people have been dreading..

    ..most countries will be pulling back into themselves..

    ..the lure/allure of ‘international markets/investments’ is fast fading for the mom ‘n pop investors who have driven/sustained those markets..

    ..(and our economy..)

    ..and..this was very funny..

    “..d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

    Why can’t I own Canadians?..”

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  45. PhilBest (5,112 comments) says:

    # goodgod (469) +2 Says:
    September 5th, 2008 at 10:03 am

    “If you quote the bible without understanding what you’re reading you only highlight your own ignorance.”

    Yep, Burt, you need to get a grasp of St Paul’s writings before you can understand what God was doing with the people into whom His Son was going to be born.

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  46. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..A think a whip around is in order..”

    ..is that kinda like an s & m circle-jerk..?

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  47. Grant Michael McKenna (1,152 comments) says:

    fwap fwap fwap fwap

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  48. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    you’d know all about phil. eh…

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  49. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    I don’t give a fuck about the brain dead narcissists and exhibitionists taking part in this. What fucks me right off is the moral superiority of the fucken pseudo-liberals who so arrogantly project the idea that if one disapproves, one should not express that disapproval. Fucken liberty and democracy is about people living by their own moral standards and having the fucken right to make judgments on that standard. You can do what ever you like, but do not expect to be spared my moral judgment, the judgment I have the mother fucken right to make.

    ..and of course its funny, but I see a few of the so called liberals who reckon people shouldn’t protest about this kind of thing, should just stay silent and say sweet fuck all, are the same mother fuckers who often complain on here about bad language and abuse. If you don’t like it seeing lesbian narcissists and exhibitionists, just look away they say. Well the same applies here- don’t like the language of the poster, don’t read the mother fucken messages. Is that right or not??

    ..and its good to know that all those wet whining pseudo liberals after reading this message will refrain from making any judgment on the words therein, because of course, its the same mother fucken thing ain’t it pussies??? Hypocrites.

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  50. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    In looking at the photo Philus trying to keep his mind off his election

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  51. Socrates (86 comments) says:

    “Conservatives don’t force other people to be like them, liberals do. These people are forcing others to entertain their lifestyle.” What are churches other than a way of forcing a persons religion on others. If people want to met and talk about God they should do it in the privacy of their own home and not ram it down the throats of others by building monuments to their religion.

    By your arguments we should also ban all religious programming on TV as it is a public display of offensive behaviour to a part of society. All religious symbols should then be banned from public display…

    Conservatives wish to force people to live by their morals and to only publicly express themselves as their morals dictate. Liberals think that everyone should be able to live their lives as they wish.

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  52. Socrates (86 comments) says:

    “If you quote the bible without understanding what you’re reading you only highlight your own ignorance.”

    I.E. if you don’t reach the same understanding as me then you are wrong.

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  53. Socrates (86 comments) says:

    “I don’t give a fuck about the brain dead narcissists and exhibitionists taking part in this. What fucks me right off is the moral superiority of the fucken pseudo-liberals who so arrogantly project the idea that if one disapproves, one should not express that disapproval. Fucken liberty and democracy is about people living by their own moral standards and having the fucken right to make judgments on that standard. You can do what ever you like, but do not expect to be spared my moral judgment, the judgment I have the mother fucken right to make.

    ..and of course its funny, but I see a few of the so called liberals who reckon people shouldn’t protest about this kind of thing, should just stay silent and say sweet fuck all, are the same mother fuckers who often complain on here about bad language and abuse. If you don’t like it seeing lesbian narcissists and exhibitionists, just look away they say. Well the same applies here- don’t like the language of the poster, don’t read the mother fucken messages. Is that right or not??

    ..and its good to know that all those wet whining pseudo liberals after reading this message will refrain from making any judgment on the words therein, because of course, its the same mother fucken thing ain’t it pussies??? Hypocrites.”

    For once I agree with Redbaiter…

    [Off course their allowed to complain about it, but then so are others allowed to complain about the complaints, and then others to complain about the complaints about the those complaining...]

    Don’t like whats on show dont watch… don’t like the complaints don’t read…

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  54. Andrew W (1,629 comments) says:

    Thanks for that comment Red, funniest thing I’ve read all morning, great stuff, keep it coming!

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  55. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    DPF Ive asked you before to post a warning when you intend posting photos that may cause cardiac arrest for we of the mature baby boomer set My doctor has prescribed medication to return the heart rate to almost normal but please refrain from repeating this.

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  56. dave strings (608 comments) says:

    This moved me to undertake some serious research.

    In the library I found a book entitled ‘Improve your sex-life; a guide for lesbians’. Now, I know I’m considered a bit old, and male, but I’ve come to the absolute certainty of opinion that I’m a lesbian. Can anyone tell me where to go (other than the Beehive,) to get some counselling on where to go from here? Perhaps you have the name and address of the young lady in the blue dress and fawn cardigan in the picture; I’d be very interested in getting some instruction from her.

    As for those of you who are taking this so seriously – GET A LIFE EH!

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  57. burt (7,085 comments) says:

    dave strings

    I do like the way the blond girl is hanging on, skills like that would be most useful when it was time to move from the couch to get the phone so I could dial a pizza or to get another beer from the fridge.

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  58. TWR (1 comment) says:

    “First principles and moral guidence for western democracies came from the bible. ”

    What rot. How can you be ignorant enough to believe that current moral values are based on fairy tales from thousands of years ago that insist on rape, murder, assault, bodily disfigurement, and all sorts of other horrendous crimes as punishment for trivial acts. The reason we have a civilised society today is that we have moved away from the likes of the Spanish inquistion, and base our morals on something much more fundamental that is built into the human psyche. It’s arrogant and ignorant to suggest that Christians are the only ones on earth who have managed to come up with this moral code. Look at all the other cultures who have come up with the idea of being nice to others without the help of your deity.

    Furthermore, for those people who have claimed that everything has been just wonderful for thousands of years until we stopped believing in their imaginary friend, take a history lesson. Victorians may have been prudish, but for most of human existence before that the accepted social norms were very different.

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  59. Grant Michael McKenna (1,152 comments) says:

    No Right Turn has a post on this, in which they point out that the Family Party’s press release says that this will “[lead] to increased abortion rates”. For the first time that I can recall, I agree with NRT- lesbians tend not to have unplanned pregnancies.

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  60. newman24 (31 comments) says:

    Hey getstaffed – sorry to be late in replying…

    We live in an over legislated world already. You get told what to do, where to cross the road, how much noise you can make etc. If you over extend the “Nanny State” then we will all lose the ability to think for ourselves. But maybe that’s what some people would like to happen to us.

    I welcome the day when we have a moral compass that we can openly talk about that allows people to make informed decisions. I personally don’t despise homosexuals or lesbians (good grief, I shared an office with a civil union lesbian for over 2 years and both of us got on great together). WHat I object to is when they dictate their philosophies and lifestyles onto us and FORCE it (case in point on the so called sex education that is now being subjected onto 5 year olds that has been propogated by the rainbow brigade).

    Allow us to come back to a point where the majority is normal not the viewpoints of the less than 2% minority.

    As they say a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single footstep, and we will eventually kill ourselves through the death of a thousand cuts. It all starts with the one step/one cut.

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  61. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Yeah look at Jesus….he was a family man….loved his mum,marrierd Mary Magdalane.had a posse of kids…

    Oh wait….

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  62. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Conservatives wish to force people to live by their morals and to only publicly express themselves as their morals dictate. Liberals think that everyone should be able to live their lives as they wish.”

    Actually there is really no diffrence between the two…..both claim the right to dictate and control.Only Libertarians respect peoples rights to live as they choose without violating their real rights.

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  63. riki (234 comments) says:

    I mean,,

    whats the difference between morality and PC

    This isn’t really a morality driven country. A party can’t win parliament by standing on a morality platform.

    if that was the case we wouldn’t have had Georgina beyer, a govt that passed the homosexual law reform or prostitution.

    This is a PC country and its PC to be tolerant to gays. Its all a gray area.

    What this country really is, is media driven and when the media, the govt and the courts agree, they can’t be stopped.

    and those my friends are the source of PC

    .

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  64. libertyscott (355 comments) says:

    What I find most telling is that the Family Party would be first to argue that smacking young children in public is their right, but young women kissing is not. I don’t believe in banning smacking, but I find from the point of view of values, I have been far more often offended by parents humiliating and hitting their kids quite severely in public (since when is a slap across some 6yos face appropriate correction), than women having a snog.

    Violent correction is more important to the Family Party than people expressing affection for each other.

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  65. riki (234 comments) says:

    I was very upset to see a child on the street lambasting his mother with shouting and insults that were demoralising.
    this is because he knows he can do it an dparents have been threatened by the socialists that their children can disrespect them. A major reason that hopefully Sue of the Greens will be unseated in November.

    In Maoridom, a child could never be that disrespectful without being upbraided by his siblings. esp at the age this kid was, he was horrifying.

    Nanny state needs to be executed before it excutes parents and the family.

    anti smacking and the EFB are exactly designed to do this and the silly thing is, the socialist call people like me haters

    and probably most of you.

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  66. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    TWR wrote “How can you be ignorant enough to believe that current moral values are based on fairy tales from thousands of years ago that insist on rape, murder, assault, bodily disfigurement, and all sorts of other horrendous crimes as punishment for trivial acts. The reason we have a civilised society today is that we have moved away from the likes of the Spanish inquistion, and base our morals on something much more fundamental that is built into the human psyche.”

    I’m sorry TWR but that is balderdash.
    It’s actually been proved that more people have been murdered or killed under the banner of atheism and communism than Christianity (you compare the numbers)

    “The assertion is that religion has caused most of the killing and bloodshed in the world. There are people who make accusations and assertions that are empirically false. This is one of them.

    It is true that it’s possible that religion can produce evil, and generally when we look closer at the detail it produces evil because the individual people are actually living in a rejection of the tenets of Christianity and a rejection of the God that they are supposed to be following. So it can produce it, but the historical fact is that outright rejection of God and institutionalizing of atheism actually does produce evil on incredible levels. We’re talking about tens of millions of people as a result of the rejection of God” – Gregory Koukl

    Also –

    Nobel Prize winner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was asked to account for the great tragedies that occurred under the brutal communist regime he and fellow citizens suffered under.

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn offered the following explanation:
    “Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.

    Since then I have spend well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.”

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  67. clintheine (1,560 comments) says:

    Ahh and here lies the difference then, I have an equal love for all citizens for whatever they choose to legally engage in while some here do not. So what if girls kiss girls and boys kiss boys…. I would rather spend my energy on why people rob each other or kill each other and leave the harmless stuff alone. What a great society we would live in when people stopped judging others and worked together to eliminate crime and oppression?!

    It is a rare day I would disagree with the majority of the comments here on Kiwiblog. I would hope that threads like this would not be representative of the right in NZ – at least as an ACT member I know we are immune from this sort of persecution for fellow man :)

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  68. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,786 comments) says:

    Can we all just get along?

    …and enjoy the live all girls sex show?

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  69. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    Fletch, isn’t that a false dichotomy of sorts? Stalin and Mao etc.. didn’t murder in the name of atheism, they did it cos they were collosal authoritarian assholes who didn’t like people doing their own thing!

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  70. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.”

    fletch trots this out because he is a rabid righwinger..who cloaks his ‘elitist’ views in rightwing christianity..

    (i know..!..i know..!..it’s a tad oxymoronic..that ‘rightwing christian’ label..

    ..but their christianity stops at their church doors..and their wallets/purses..

    ..y’see fletch also supports tearing away the state support for sole parents and the like..

    ..cos’..in his eyes’..that is ‘godless communism’..

    ..and of course..(in a christian way..!..of course..!..

    ..he salivates over the tax cuts such tearing away of social support for the neediest would bring him..

    ..(see what i mean about ‘oxymoronic-christianity’..?..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  71. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “What a great society we would live in when people stopped judging others and worked together to eliminate crime and oppression?! …at least as an ACT member I know we are immune from this sort of persecution for fellow man.”

    Was that Clint who said that or Barack Obama pretending to be Clint??

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  72. getstaffed (9,188 comments) says:

    … tearing away of social support for the neediest would bring him

    phil, For every dollar I could tear away from you, I’d add one more dollar and give them both to someone who is truely needy. You, me and the country would be better off.

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  73. PhilBest (5,112 comments) says:

    Fletch, Solzhenitsyn is a rich source for quotable quotes. How about THIS one:

    “We didn’t love freedom enough………we purely and simply deserved everything that happened”………

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  74. clintheine (1,560 comments) says:

    Touche Redbaiter :)

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  75. PhilBest (5,112 comments) says:

    philu, you are a bloody hypocrite, insulting Christianity and Churches like that, who looked after all the genuine needy people before the State stepped in and usurped their role? and who would be still doing it if it wasn’t firstly, for the State usurping the role, and secondly, all the people who might have supported such charitable care having been taxed to death and the economic growth that might have been, has been trashed. No wonder people are greedier now than they used to be, their charitable impulses have been assaulted and murdered, and crowing bludgers like you only make it less likely that people might re-open their hearts and wallets one day when you might need it.

    You know what it is about State provided charity that philu loves, compared to the real thing? State provided “charity” is a “human right”, of course, those pesky churches used to attach demeaning strings to their assistance, like preaching to you about your self-destructive lifestyle and lack of responsibility, isn’t it wonderful that we are all delivered from such judgementalism and bigotry……..

    BARF. BARF. BARF.

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  76. PhilBest (5,112 comments) says:

    You know, I almost look forward to the day when the whole economy goes smash in some crisis, because of the bludgers having to get off their arses and do something towards their own survival. It will actually be less of a shock to Roger Kerr and Bob Jones and people like them that philu is so sneering about, because they are used to getting out of bed and hustling every day.

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  77. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..philu, you are a bloody hypocrite,.”

    i think the hypocrites are those ‘christians’ like fletch..(and yourself..)

    ..those who care/emote for a new life untill their birth..

    ..then they are happy for them to rot..

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  78. James Sleep (477 comments) says:

    What a cool competition. Do they have the same for guys?

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  79. dave strings (608 comments) says:

    Yep, it’s a new welfare game thing.

    To get your weekly allowance you have to snog 10 old men and 5 young ones – all gay of course :-)

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  80. Hagues (711 comments) says:

    Philu believe it or not people like PhilBest, fletch and others genuinely want to help people like yourself. Only thing is the definition of help is different. You seem to think that help comes in the form of a weekly benefit that comes with no strings attached so you can carry on doing nothing with your life. To others help sould be in the form of temporary financial assistance and encouragement to do something with your life that is meaningful and constructive. This is not hypocritical at all.

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  81. dave strings (608 comments) says:

    hypocrite

    verb

    def: someone who complains about taxes while living on welfare.

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  82. dave strings (608 comments) says:

    So phil

    Do you think there should be a law passed to stop families where there are children from having two working parents so that one can stay home and raise the children?

    If not, why not?

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  83. clintheine (1,560 comments) says:

    Why don’t you go out and start your own kissing boys campaign James Sleep? Quickly go ask Helen if that is ok and then come back to us with your results.

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  84. Shunda barunda (2,964 comments) says:

    If it wasn’t “in your face” they wouldn’t do it, this sort of thing gets a little tiring. OOOO look how liberal we all are, girls kissing girls. If its so “normal” why are they making such a big deal out of it?
    Maybe they should have a “dog hump leg” competition to win the hit single “who let the dogs out”.

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  85. James Sleep (477 comments) says:

    I might. It seems pretty cool. I would be in. ;)

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  86. James Sleep (477 comments) says:

    Would you like to co-convene this guy kissing competition, Clint?

    Feel free to

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  87. clintheine (1,560 comments) says:

    Well James, if I was going to break a habit of a lifetime and start kissing blokes, I’d have some standards James – so you’re out of luck pal :)

    But I am flattered you’d want to lock lips with me, the same lips I eat babies with. :)

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