The short version

September 9th, 2008 at 8:50 pm by David Farrar

What happened today is very simple.

  1. proved that he made a phone call to Winston Peters at 1.26 pm NZST on 14 December 2005. The call ended at 1.33 pm.
  2. At 1.40 pm on the same day – just seven minutes later – sent Owen Glenn the details of the bank account the $100,000 was paid into.
  3. A swore an affidavit that Winston Peters and Owen Glenn did meet at Karaka in January 2006, that Owen Glenn told him of the donation to Peters, and that Peters thanked Owen Glenn for his help. Incidentially is the brother of Labour MP Sue Moroney.

Anyone who thinks that somehow Winston Peters was not aware of the donation is not just naive or misguided, but fundamentally dishonest. The attempts by Labour to suggest that someone else may have answered Winston’s mobile phone, pretended to be Winston, arranged the $100,000 donation, passed the details onto Brian Henry – all without telling Winston – are so far fetched that journalists were having trouble not laughing out loud.

The big new information that got revealed is that Owen Glenn met with Mike Williams the day of the donation, sought his approval for the donation and is adamant he would not have made the donation without permission from Williams. It is almost inconceivable that Williams would not discuss such an issue with . We already knew she knew about the donation in February 2008 – she may in fact have known as early as December 2005. It will be impossible to prove what Williams told Clark, but regardless we do know that Mike Williams knew all about this from day one.

Whale Oil has the affidavits online.

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77 Responses to “The short version”

  1. JohnMacc (60 comments) says:

    Surely its still just an honest misunderstanding between honourable men. As I have not yet had any evidence to the contrary forcibly rammed down my throat, like the PM I guess I must continue to assume there’s a reasonable explanation. perhaps that phone record is just a clerical error by inexperienced admin support staff at the telco.

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  2. simo (150 comments) says:

    I just watched the TV3 interview with Owen Glenn, interesting Johannson was sent down by H2 to put the distant between Clark & Peters, Listen Helen CLark you are dog tucker, not ANY amount of spin and bullshit is going to fool the voters this time, so call the election NOW

    PS You were compared to Nixon and Watergate so ” I’m not a crook ” wont cut it

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  3. Geoff Russell (4 comments) says:

    The real hero in all of this sorry saga is Rodney Hide.
    He had the guts to continue his lonely crusade while others sat back and waited to see if it got traction.
    When it appeared there was some traction they joined the train driven by Rodney for a couple of stops – got off and watched.
    He valiantly continued to relentlessly drive that train (again on his own) until it looked safe for the extremely cautious to get on on again – mind you only for a stop or two at a time.
    I salute you Rodney Hide

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  4. Grant Michael McKenna (1,156 comments) says:

    I didn’t hear whether the question was asked as to why Mr Glenn wanted to support Labour- what was in it for him?

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  5. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    I say Winston is fucked, so the Nats should leave him and focus on the Labour connection – Mike Williams, and Helen Clarks denial in the house that no one from Labour gave Glenn the impression helping Peters is a help to Labour

    The shit is now so thick they need to make sure some sticks where it should – on Clark. At the moment in the eyes of the MSM she is only a little smelly, – they need to make her completely grubby!

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  6. radvad (689 comments) says:

    Next question “Who put Peters up to make his initial call to Glenn and did Labour give Peters encouragement and tacit support to sue Clarkson”?

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  7. Alan Wilkinson (1,839 comments) says:

    Why on earth don’t journalists laugh out loud at preposterous political lies?

    Nonsense deserves nothing less than ridicule.

    Peters lied and Clark knew he lied. There is no way she didn’t talk to Williams who knew for certain.

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  8. Richard Hurst (780 comments) says:

    The Owen Glenn- TV3 interview- the most entertaining and most informative TV I’ve seen all year! Wonderful! Poor Owen was the living embodiment of bitter disappointment at his treatment by cowardly Helen and the gang. Since future funds from Owen have now without a doubt dried up I expect to see Labour heavily pushing the idea of total public funding of political parties- either that or Labour is going to need to find a new sugar daddy VERY fast. Opening bids anyone? Anyone at all? No? Last chance to buy Helen, she won’t be there next year…going…going….

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  9. budgieboy (107 comments) says:

    If you missed it, this is the Campbell Interview.

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/OwenGlenntheinterview/tabid/367/articleID/70684/cat/84/Default.aspx?articleID=70684#video

    Pure gold!

    Sites a bit slow, makes me wonder how many Kiwis are logging on to (re)watch it.

    It really is huge.

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  10. Tauhei Notts (1,633 comments) says:

    Everybody on this site now knows that this is the most corrupt government since Thomas Russell and cahoots back in 1880.
    That is an inarguable fact.
    But the talkback lines suggest to me that there are enough dumb so and soes in our country to re-elect Winnie and keep Helen as the prime minister.
    That is tragic.
    I pray that I am wrong.

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  11. Michaels (1,318 comments) says:

    I believe Campbell’s interview was as damning if not more.
    Well it certainly was to Labour anyway.

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  12. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    Helen Clark is an educated person. For her to think that Peters is innocent of any wrongdoing is inconceivable. Therefore the only options available lead to the same conclusion.

    a. As Mike Williams was aware of the donation before it was even made, and appears to have sought guidance from the labour caucus (a wise move after the interest free loan fiasco), then it is likely that Clark knew about the Glenn donation before Peters did, in which case she has lied to parliament and must be held accountable. or……

    b. Owen Glenn told Helen Clark that the donation had been made in February, she sought assurances from Peters about Glenn and took Glenn at his word, when a conversation with her Party President would have cleared the matter up, in which case she has lied to parliament and should be made accountable.

    c. Even if she took Peters at her word, and even assuming that she was not aware of the donation (which she was), following the now infamous ‘NO’ press conference where newspaper staff were threatened with litigation, surely Mike Williams would have contacted the PM and informed her what the story was, (especially so given the interest free loan fiasco) in which case she has lied to parliament and should be made accountable.

    Hmmmmm, A, B, or C?

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  13. Buggerlugs (1,609 comments) says:

    Ha- that’s Sue Moronic on Clark’s shit list now as well by association

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  14. simo (150 comments) says:

    PS said “The shit is now so thick they need to make sure some sticks where it should – on Clark. At the moment in the eyes of the MSM she is only a little smelly, – they need to make her completely grubby!

    Come on MSM, do your job and expose the connections Clark has to this……..oh sorry…. I forgot how your editorials must be passed to the Indian cricket team on the 9th floor!

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  15. Adam (556 comments) says:

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. This is Utu for Owen Glenn. Labour have bitten the hand that fed them and he is might pissed off.

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  16. first time caller (384 comments) says:

    I see Glenn said Clark phoned Williams four times while he was on Glenn’s boat!

    I can’t imagine the conversations being about anything but “Will he give us more?”…

    The have no shame.

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  17. georgebolwing (662 comments) says:

    It now all makes sense. The innocent explanation is clear: when Helen rang Winston in Africa to ask whether Owen had given him any money, it was Wayne who answered the phone PRETENDING to be Winston. So Winston never mislead Helen and so Helen never mislead anyone. Move along now. Nothing to see here. Oh look over there, it’s Trev with more leaked policies. Go talk to him.

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  18. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Forget going to the big ‘GAYOUT’

    We want to see the big ‘LIEOUT’, and in Parliament.

    H1 and H2 have a shit list so long now, it is unmanageable.

    What they forget is that all the nasty, snarky, bullying is about to come back around and clobber them.

    Pure Evil, and Sullen is beyond contempt. What a wanker.

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  19. mara (744 comments) says:

    Winnie and Williams are easy meat to hang out and dry, but with HC, you now have to PROVE her complicity. And I still see some wriggle space.

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  20. Adam (556 comments) says:

    Owen Glenn Interview on Campbell. http://www.3news.co.nz/video/OwenGlenntheinterview/tabid/367/articleID/70684/Default.aspx?ArticleID=70684#video

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  21. Michaels (1,318 comments) says:

    Winnie and Peter Williams will be amusing tomorrow.
    I can hear them already, and simple really, Winnie started his defence in the house today.
    He nor NZF received any money. But how he can re-butt the actual evidence is a tad beyond me, but slime ball Williams hasn’t become the QC he is by letting evidence get in the way.

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  22. Geoff Russell (4 comments) says:

    The real hero in all of this sorry saga is Rodney Hide.
    He had the guts to continue his lonely crusade while others sat back and waited to see if it got traction.
    When it appeared there was some traction they joined the train driven by Rodney for a couple of stops – got off and watched.
    He valiantly continued to relentlessly drive that train (again on his own) until it looked safe for the extremely cautious to get on on again – mind you only for a stop or two at a time.
    I salute you Rodney Hide

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  23. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    Well, Williams can play the twisty turny card all he want’s, but the electorate will have the final say on this issue!

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  24. Paul Marsden (989 comments) says:

    Gee, I dunno…I just can’t shake this image of the jurno’s at the PC hearing tomorrow, in fits of raucous laughter at whatever ‘explanation’ (or card), Peter’s offers-up in explanation, togther with the wafflings of his bleeding-heart liberal lawyer, Williams.

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  25. Strutta (67 comments) says:

    And this is news (i.e. information new to the public) how? Who believed the information Owen Glenn had would be other than what it was?

    It is important information which will (hopefully) sink both NZF and the Labour Party but an amazing revelation…I don’t think so.

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  26. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Expats that have returned within 3 years are able to vote.

    Met with 2 Kiwi/Brit couples last night at a Taverna. They are all able to vote due to them being married.

    Tracking everything on the Internet, and no doubt about their voting intentions, or their large contingent of Expat Mates in London.

    They are all sick of UK Nulabour.

    There are more Kiwi citizens in London than CHCH. This should be interesting. Polls have really no function anymore with this wild
    card.

    That along with mobile phone use and broadband use.

    Expect a huge landslide for National/ACT. Rodney is a hero

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  27. burt (7,948 comments) says:

    The next time Labour say they haven’t got any big business backers I’m not going to say BULLSHIT like I normally do, I’m going to say THAT’S NO BLOODY SURPRISE. Look how harshly the socialists have bitten the hand that fed them so they could continue to denigrate their opposition for things they do themselves. Election please!

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  28. davidp (3,550 comments) says:

    Forget about Peters. He was proved guilty in the eye of the public several weeks ago. Any finding against him in committee is an irrelevance so close to an election.

    The person who should be fronting up and explaining her lies and her purchase of a coalition partner is Clark. The question shouldn’t be whether she will sack Peters or not. The question should be why she hasn’t resigned in disgrace.

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  29. Paul Marsden (989 comments) says:

    ….Thai court rules Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej should resign for violating constitution by hosting TV cookery show, AP reports.

    Now, thats the kinda court we need here in NZ!

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  30. Vinick (215 comments) says:

    “The real hero in all of this sorry saga is Rodney Hide.”

    Hear hear Geoff.

    I just hope that Hide and ACT can now rid us of Winston First for good. That man has been down before and has come back, but in all fairness to Bolger and Shipley, I don’t see Rodney letting Winston have any respite.

    If ACT can finally kick Winston the the curb, you’d have to hope they get a fair go from National. How does this sound-

    Hon Rodney Hide, Minister of Education, Minister of Commerce
    Hon Heather Roy, Minister of CYF, Associate Health, Associate Defence
    Hon Sir Roger Douglas, Chair of Finance & Expenditure Select Committee
    John Boscawen MP, Deputy Chair of Justice & Electoral Select Committee

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  31. Viking2 (11,220 comments) says:

    Trev’s new job in colour.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0809/S00202.htm

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  32. Southern Raider (1,688 comments) says:

    Agree. Let Hide finish off WP.

    National needs to swing the sights around to focus on H1 and H2 and expose the bullshit that has been spun by this pair for 9 years.

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  33. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    The NBR are reporting Mike Williams denial. The lying little bastard appears ‘confused’ again

    “Mr Williams issued a statement tonight saying his discussions with Mr Glenn before the cheque was paid did not involve any specific donation to Mr Peters.
    “My recollection is that my discussions with Mr Glenn concerned the likely outcome of Mr Peters’ electoral petition,” he said.
    “Mr Glenn asked me whether I thought Mr Peters had any chance of winning the Tauranga petition and I said that I thought he did.”
    Mr Williams said he did not have any recollection of being asked or offering any comment on whether or not Mr Glenn should provide financial assistance to Mr Peters, and he did not discuss that possibility with anyone else”

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  34. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    From the NZ Herald.

    …….

    Mr Glenn became frustrated about continual questions on whether he sure if it was Mr Peters he spoke to about the donation, he recognised his voice.

    Deputy Prime Minister Michael Cullen asked whether the person talked like Mr Peters usually did.

    Mr Glenn repeated that he was very sure.

    “I knew it wasn’t you Dr Cullen…you already had your $500,000.”

    ….

    Owen Glenn, I love you!

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  35. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    Mike Williams confused again? There’s a surprise.

    That man is going to keep going round and round in ever decreasing circles until he finally disappears up his own arse!!

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  36. burt (7,948 comments) says:

    vinick

    I agree here here to Geoff.

    You said;

    Hon Rodney Hide, Minister of Education, Minister of Commerce
    Hon Heather Roy, Minister of CYF, Associate Health, Associate Defence
    Hon Sir Roger Douglas, Chair of Finance & Expenditure Select Committee
    John Boscawen MP, Deputy Chair of Justice & Electoral Select Committee

    And the mystery number 5 list place being Owen Glenn as Minister of Transport & Minister of Economic Development. (oh – and Minister of Racing… Ha ha ha)

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  37. slightlyrighty (2,499 comments) says:

    I’ve been reading the affidavits and got to the Phone records. It was all I could do to not whip out my cell and text Winston saying “You’re History!”

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  38. Southern Raider (1,688 comments) says:

    Did anyone hear Shane Jones yesterday ranting on the radio that the Maori Party better not go with National or they will need to face the full frontal attack from the Labour Maori MP’s?

    What kind of arrogant tosser opening threatens another standalone party in public?

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  39. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    That would be Shane Jones, that ultimate arrogant tosser!

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  40. rightofleftcentre (76 comments) says:

    When is this all going to end?

    Peters Clark and Williams are clearly following the philosophy of “tell a lie long enough and loud enough and people will eventually believe it”, as opposed to “when you’re in a hole, stop digging”!

    Trouble is they’ve picked the wrong philosophy as the truth is out! Embodied by one Mr OG.

    If the voters of this country let these lying pack of a***holes back in I’m leaving!!

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  41. Ed Snack (1,773 comments) says:

    In the end, I think the thing that disgusts me the most and also says just about all that needs to be said about the current labour party and its sychophants in the press and in the blogs, is the way that Owen Glenn has been treated. The picture that puts it so neatly, there is Glenn wearing the ceremonial feather cloak, outside the business school he donated $8M towards, and there are the bigwigs of Labour trying to pretend that they’ve never met. What a complete slap in the face. And that from a mob who would hold hands with Yassar Arafat without shame. Then the quite deliberate smear campaign against Glenn. Shame on all of you who support this mob.

    And what did labour expect to get out of all this ? Why go through with this charade, do they think they can face it off by simply denying everything, laughing it off as a “beltway thing” ? This is the real slippery slope they’re on, only it’s greased with Winston Peters expectorations. Actually, probably greased with some other output from Peters, but let’s keep it at least a bit seemly.

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  42. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    Can’t believe my [bad] luck.

    The most riviting political drama of my generation unfolds tonight… and I’m out. e-Isolated. Grrrr

    Thanks for all these posts & comments. Have read every one and watched the interview, which was pure magic

    Can’t wait for some of this to stick to H1 & H2. Will Pooh go ferral?

    Ah, good times….

    Edit: Meanwhile over at the ‘Slanderard’ they’ve found a few idle hours to Photoshop some pics of John Key. Cute

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  43. Paul Marsden (989 comments) says:

    ES. Its the way that Glenn has been treated (and continues to be treated), that guts me the most, too. If I was him, I’d be considering a request to have my name removed from the university building.

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  44. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    If the voters of this country let these lying pack of a***holes back in I’m leaving!!

    You’re not alone. We’re already making tentative plans.. just in case.

    Say, d’ya think Owen would underwrite the charter of a few of 747′s? We could leave en mass :)

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  45. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Explosive stuff for sure.

    Now we need to start finding out which Charities benefitted from tax payer money, syphoned by Winston First. Ahem just $158k.

    I believe that no money was sent anywhere. No charity wanted to be involved because they knew it was improper.

    Then we need to talk about Scampi a lot, and the rumours of another $300k payoff.

    Looking at the evidence is it reasonable to assume that given the level of lies, that the stuff that is on the surface is really just the

    ‘Tip of the Iceberg’

    What cashback did LPG get for buying the crappy old trainset at twice market value? Only a rumour at this point.

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  46. damocles (83 comments) says:

    Labour’s credibility is in tatters yet the denials continue, most recently from Mike Williams. And Ms Clark can certainly manage a most pious and concerned look when noting that the allegations are indeed most serious (yet still the benefit of the doubt and the right of reply must be awaited).

    Wonder if Mr Glenn has some more email evidence — this time indicting the uninvited Mr Williams — waiting to be unveiled at tomorrow’s press conference?

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  47. damocles (83 comments) says:

    We should also not be surprised that Labour is advocating state funding of political parties.

    The way they treat their donors, who’d want to toss any trinkets Labour’s way now?

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  48. Mike78 (83 comments) says:

    hahahahaha – “I wouldn’t want ANY of them in the trenches with with me, they would push you out first” – hilarious and very true – strange, Mike Williams camed on my boat, and asked for money in the middle of all this and was asked for when his plane was leaving .. All class these people.

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  49. workingman (84 comments) says:

    I would think that Owen Glenn as a successfull businessman will know very well not to put his best cards on the deck as negotiations proceed. That was shown during the Campbell interview, he knew this was going to be on a program that would have more than a sound bite of the committee and that Campbell would want to make the most of his ‘exclusive’ interview. I noticed that Campbell stressed the name of Mike Williams early on ‘Remember that name for later’, I think he said.

    I would be fairly certain that he has more and more to drip out, to refute the more and more desparate allegations made in reply.

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  50. Craig Ranapia (1,913 comments) says:

    OK, I never had a particularly high opinion of Owen Glenn and see no reason to change my mind. But I don’t think it was particularly clever of Cullen and Fairbrother to do that simply bizarre double act. Double snaps for Glenn resisting the urge to snap back, “Did you two have any solids with your lunch?”

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  51. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Any news on the purchase of the Skyhawks? What is the price post cashback?

    How are the Tazers getting on. Any treats here?

    What is National’s secret agenda?

    When are we going to get some policy from Labour. When will we get the truth from labour?

    How much is a bribe for a Scampi Quota to-day? What is the kickback for Racing Grants?

    Teaming and Ladling they call it.

    We demand a post election corruption enquiry!!

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  52. gazzaj (106 comments) says:

    Owen Glenn is awesome! TV3 should invite him back for the Telethon as a guest comedian.

    “What time is your flight Mike?” … “He needs help” … “They’d push you out first” … gold.

    Can’t wait to hear Winston’s reply…

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  53. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    Glenn said that Williams flew striaght to France where he invited himself to stay, and seeed to imply that William’s trip was two days after which he we straight back to NZ. Williams is on record as saying he met with other potential donors in the UK. Did he? Is is that just more lies in a desperate attempt to show that the trip had another purpose?

    My guess is that while Williams enjoyed Glenns hospitality, he tried to give Glenn the right story to spin to response to what was then just a possible unfolding. Glenn would have replied something along the lines of “What… after you b*stards have sullied by professional reputation and smeared my good name?”… and then asked when Williams’ flight was. Williams asking Glenn for more money is probably just a plausable diversion from the main purpose of his visit.

    So the question is… how much of that story will Glenn set in front of the voters tomorrow?

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  54. burt (7,948 comments) says:

    The stark contrast between the well reasoned and articulate Owen Glenn and the babbling ramblings of Winston will be great to watch. Winston only needs a few minutes to clear this all up….

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  55. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    Meanwhile, over at the Standard….

    “Elephant? Here? In this room? Never!”

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  56. dave (985 comments) says:

    Also, Mike Williams rang Glenn and told him in December 2005 that the Labour party didn’t object to Glenn giving $100,000 to NZ First.

    Who in the Labour Party. Surely not Helen Clark?

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  57. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    We are making the Italians look straight laced!

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  58. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Before we get too delirious.

    Are we sure that it is really Owen Glenn?

    Realxed, not drunk as skunk, babbling, or with wires trailing from his head.

    Not young lovelies on his arm, and no other vile rumours set about him by LPG

    What possible reason would the REAL Owen Glenn have to do this? Makes no sense. the biggest donor to NZLP, and Sidekick Luigi.

    A body Double? Lord Thingymajig from Beilize/UK, Jenny Shipley doing a reverse Mrs Doubtfire.

    Kim il Sung has 4 look-a likes!

    Te PC needs to demand Peters phone records now. That would be very telling. Peters will have binned them but MI or telecom will have them.

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  59. Right of way is Way of Right (1,129 comments) says:

    Actually, Viking raised an interesting point on an earlier thread, could this possibly precipitate a leadership challenge in the Labour caucus?

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  60. spector (180 comments) says:

    Mike Williams press statement says:

    “he did not have any recollection of being asked or offering any comment on whether or not Mr Glenn should provide financial assistance to Mr Peters, and he did not discuss that possibility with anyone else.”

    So Mike Williams has no recollection of being asked on whether or not Mr Glenn should provide financial assistance to Mr Peters – but he definitely remembers not talking to anyone about the event that he can’t recollect???

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  61. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    Suppose the headline tomorrow will be “Labour Knew, Zealand First”

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  62. kiwipolemicist (393 comments) says:

    It’s fishy when Owen Glenn has to ask Labour for permission to give money to NZ First. Obviously Winston is Helen’s lap dog, and the dog has messed in her lap: I hope that it was large and smelly.

    http://www.kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com

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  63. bka (135 comments) says:

    Owen Glenn seemed very exact in the interview with Campbell, picking him up on a couple of slight errors – not at all confused.
    What a great response to Dail Jones’ when the Brian Henry evidence about a conversation he claimed to have with Mr Glenn. He didn’t recall the conversation but if it happened “Why would have been talking about Mr Peters if he wasn’t Mr Henry’s client?” …exactly the matter before the committee.

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  64. Kimble (4,395 comments) says:

    Labour is tainted and will not win the next election. The question now is, to what extent must they purge the ranks to become clean again?

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  65. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    burn the gnome and the witch

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  66. rightofleftcentre (76 comments) says:

    Meanwhile over at the Standard – not a whisper of the PC goings on yesterday. Thought it was a political blog?

    They are hugely emarrassed. There a red/peuce faces all around.

    And many must be incredibly pissed off. At Clark and Williams.

    They’ll toast them for sure.

    Either before or after the election.

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  67. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10531382

    Brilliant, the systa-hood will be spitting tacks.

    No wonder laybore were always embarrased, theyve been taking money from a white male capitalist CATHOLIC oppressor of the systa-hood.

    oh how we laughed, copiously.

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  68. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    From the Herald ” And later on TV3′s Campbell Live, he gets a bit of his own back. Labour had “fed him to the lions” to ensure Peters was safe, he says. “I wouldn’t want them next to me in the trenches. They’d push you out.” ”

    Bloody Oath. Ungrateful, disrepectful, lying f*ckwits = the laybore front bench.

    Bye bye Hulun and Mikhael, don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.

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  69. rightofleftcentre (76 comments) says:

    So the hundred thoudand was for legal fees right?
    Did it all go to Brian Henry? Who issues no bills.
    I bet Glenn would be interested to know which accounts his dollars ended up in…………………

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  70. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    The ‘smoking gun’ is now looking like a flamethrower

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  71. Viking2 (11,220 comments) says:

    Of course you wouldn’t find them in the trenches anyway. Labour has a total history of pacifism, indeed under Savage no MP could be in cacuas if he had been in the Armed Services which is why John A Lee never became a minister in Govt. despite being the most popular of any labour MP at the time. (For more history read up on John A Lee MP.)
    Naturally cowards.

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  72. NeillR (349 comments) says:

    Ironically, the only truthful thing that Peters has said during this sad and sorry affair is that it could all be cleared up in five minutes. Little did he realise it would be by Owen Glenn, not him.

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  73. big bruv (13,454 comments) says:

    Oh dear….

    Mike Williams was on with NewstalkZB this morning and told Paul Holmes that he NEVER DISCUSSED THE NZ FIRST DONATION with Owen Glenn.
    Labour just cannot stop telling lies.

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  74. Paul Marsden (989 comments) says:

    I hope Glenn learns of these denials before his press conference this morning.Should make things a little more ‘interesting’

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  75. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    Love these bits… both directed at the Dr Sullen :

    He can’t remember if the man who answered actually declared “I am Winston Peters” but there was “no doubt” he spoke to Winston Peters. When Cullen raises the same question, he says: “I knew it wasn’t you Dr Cullen. You already had your $500,000.”

    .. and ..

    Deputy Prime Minister Michael Cullen further vexed Mr Glenn when he questioned the quality of his recall. “You seem to go from a deal of vagueness to a high degree of precision very fast,” said Dr Cullen.

    “Probably because I have been married twice,” Mr Glenn snapped back, plainly more used to asking the questions than answering them.

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  76. goodgod (1,363 comments) says:

    That Cullen is making a bitch of himself. Has anyone checked to see if he is actually a man?

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  77. NeillR (349 comments) says:

    Mike Williams: No i would have said, ‘give us money’ we’ve just had an election.

    But he did give you money Mike – i know you keep forgetting the $100k loan, just like you’ve forgotten so many things.

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