National – Maori Party Agreement

November 16th, 2008 at 7:57 pm by David Farrar

Well John Key did it, he has 70 votes to 52 in Parliament, and has forged an agreement with the that makes Labour’s chance of winning in 2011 a lot harder.

The agreement is here.

  • Establish a group by 2010 to review constitutional issues, including Maori seats

Oh this will be fun. I love constitutional issues. There are so many – the Crown, the Treaty, the Bill of Rights, a written constitution, the Electoral Act etc etc.

  • not to remove the Maori seats without the consent of Maori, and the Maori Party not to seek to entrench them in the current term.

Absolutely predictable.

  • Review the Foreshore & Seabed Act by end of 2009. If there is a repeal, All NZers will be guaranteed access to foreshore and seabed.

Labour’s legislation was wrong. I will not be surprised if the eventual agreement is to scrap it, but to legislate for access rights for all NZers.

  • Pita Sharples to be Minister of Maori Affairs, and Associate Education and Corrections
  • Tariana Turia to be Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector, Associate Health, and Associate Social Development and Employment

I think Sharples will be a very good Maori Affairs Minister. There is some potential for conflict in Corrections between what National/ACT want to do, and what his instincts might say. But also areas of commonality such as the privately managed prison that had rave reviews from local Iwi.

  • Maori Party to agree on Chairperson of Maori Affairs Select Committee, who will be a National MP.

If Georgina and Tau both make Cabinet, then I would guess this could be Hekia. But if one of the two existing Maori MPs misses out, then that one.

Incidentially there may be five Maori Ministers – Georgina, Tau, Paula, Pita and Tariana.

  • All Maori MPs and MPs with an electorate larger than 20,000 sq kms to get a third Out of Parliament staff member

I would rather decisions like this are made through the Parliamentary Service Commission. But this was recommended by the Goulter review, and two offices are not enough for some of those large electorates.

Quote of the day goes to Hone Harawria:

“In three days, National offered us more than Labour did in three years,” said one of its MPs, Hone Harawira.

If Labour had gone with the Greens and the Maori Party in 2005, they wouldn’t have had to put up with effectively condoning Winston’s antics.

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40 Responses to “National – Maori Party Agreement”

  1. Madeleine (230 comments) says:

    The Foreshore and Seabed Act I really hope will go. Its affront to due process was unnaceptable.

    The government, (doesn’t that sound cool?) have managed these deals pretty well considering. It is easy to be a purist and nit-pick these deals, and I have done as much on my blog, but when it comes to actually operating a party, much less a government a degree of pragmatism must come into play which inevitably means some compromise; the compromises made, I can for the most part live with, so kudos to the government.

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  2. pushmepullu (686 comments) says:

    The day the Maori party, with its agenda of divisiveness and race hatred, was given a seat around the Cabinet table will go down in history as a black day for New Zealand.

    My main hope is that the vicious racism displayed by Sharples and Turia towards white people will quickly become evident around the Cabinet table, resulting in a quick expulsion and a spell of jail time for the pair of them.

    [DPF: And what particular race hatred is this? And do you of all people really want to advocate people should go to jail merely for having an unpopular viewpoint?]

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  3. helmet (807 comments) says:

    Yeah you’re not making any sense pushmepullu. From my personal experience with the Maori Party, they’re not into divisiveness or race hatred at all. Perhaps you have them confused with Labour.

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  4. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    See Adolf? Told you.

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  5. NeillR (351 comments) says:

    The point that appears to have been overlooked in all this is that this agreement wasn’t just made in a week – as TV1 and others would have you believe, based on the speed that it occurred. I’m picking a deal was all but stitched up before the election and even if the Maori Party had held the balance of power they would have gone with National. It seems it will be very hard for Labour to win in 2011, unless they have a radical change of thinking towards (all) the minor parties.

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  6. Tamaki Resident (66 comments) says:

    It’s one thing to do a deal, it’s another to make it last 3 years. With 4 parties, 5 leaders, including 5 Ministers outside cabinet, I hope that John Key is good at herding cats once the Govt gets beyond signing pieces of paper. We also haven’t much from MP’s within National about how they feel about things.

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  7. Innocent bystander (163 comments) says:

    “All Maori MPs and MPs with an electorate larger than 20,000 sq kms to get a third Out of Parliament staff member”

    A decision made much easier by the fact that National has all of the large rural electorates…

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  8. grumpyoldhori (2,416 comments) says:

    Access to the foreshore, now will that access be for ALL the foreshore, including that held by non Maori as so called private beaches etc ?

    Or, will there still be special rules for a few in NZ ?

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  9. emmess (1,416 comments) says:

    >>If Labour had gone with the Greens and the Maori Party in 2005, they wouldn’t have had to put up with effectively condoning Winston’s antics.

    Yeah but that would have probably killed off the Greens and quite seriously knocked back the Maori Party as well
    Labour made the best decision given what they knew at the time

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  10. mickysavage (786 comments) says:

    The MP has negotiated not a bad deal. I wonder how National activists feel about it. From my initial reading:

    1. The Maori seats remain,
    2. Tangata whenua rights to the foreshore and seabed will remain. The provision talks about protecting the rights of all but my reading is that it includes the protection of indigenous rights,
    3. It is really light on protection of and minimum standards for living standards for tangata whenua and working class kiwis.

    Be warned, if unemployment and poverty goes up then Pita and Tariana will be criticised for accepting the limos and ignoring their constituents. The redneck response to the deal will be fascinating.

    Do you get the feeling that keeping all of the people happy all of the time is really difficult?

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  11. david (2,570 comments) says:

    Anyone willing to lay odds on how long the additional resources that were allocated to the Greens (extra research staff and funding) last after Wednesday?

    It’s only a small price I know but even small prices deserve some return and the Greens frankly offer nothing of value to NZ.

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  12. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    The MP are very happy to be intrinsic to the Governing process. That Greens also want to get on board now.

    Nothing to do with Politics, and everything to do with the comfort of a warm and open personality.

    Instead of a malignant cult obsession with Lesbian, Feminist supremacy. Something that was always doomed to failure, because it was never natural.

    H2 is a Genetic Freak, and deserves all the stuff winging its way back round to her!

    Tizzard J is just a Lesbian air head, and totally useless. Guess when you are the consort of someone who deems to pull ALL the levers of power she got an easy ride. Now has no use to society there.

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  13. calendar girl (1,213 comments) says:

    pushmepullu: “The day the Maori party ….. was given a seat around the Cabinet table will go down in history as a black day for New Zealand.”

    Read the announcement again. The Maori leaders have ministerial positions outside Cabinet. But I suppose you’re still unhappy with that.

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  14. Brian Smaller (4,036 comments) says:

    I see that bitter and twisted Chris Trotter has basically called the Maori Party a bunch of Uncle Tom collaborators in his SST column. What a disgraceful prick he is.

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  15. democracymum (660 comments) says:

    The two words I hear from most people to describe how they felt the night of the election
    was “relief and freedom”

    I asked my father if he felt good about the election result and he said “shit yeah!”
    This from a man who has voted Labour all his life.

    History will show this Labour government as the most corrupt, the most corrosive in
    our modern history.

    Relief and freedom! During their 9 years the Labour government stole from us our
    democracy, it is a sense of relief and freedom that people are experiencing at having won it back.

    Labour’s plan was to also keep the Maori people in their place. With this agreement they
    too have won their freedom, to speak out and carve out a new position for themselves.

    Together we can all have a brighter future!

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  16. Innocent bystander (163 comments) says:

    Labour has never offered the Maori Party anything and they deserve the utu for the Foreshore and Seabed Act. Going with National could also put the Maori Party in a much better position to negotiate with either party next time. A party that can support either National or Labour can demand much more than a party like the Greens for example. There is a risk of Maori voters going back to Labour if things go pear shaped and the Maori Party is seen as being too close to the Government but that is a risk worth taking especially as four of their MPs are sitting on quite handy majorities. There is every chance that the arrangement could actually deliver for Maori which will be what Labour fears the most.

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  17. workingman (84 comments) says:

    I also saw the article by Chris Trotter about the Maori Party. The bitterness and bile is unbelievable. Complained about them having a hui with only the Maori party members, not all Maori. Umm I wonder if ACT or United Future went to consult with all of NZ or only their party members.

    I do not think I have seen such a racist article for a long time. Unfortunately I cannot find it online at http://www.stuff.co.nz, although it seems to have all the other opinion articles there.

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  18. fishbowl (36 comments) says:

    sorry I am in vietnam at the moment, so clearly the Internet is being tampered with – Maori party act united national agreement in a week, ding dong the witch is dead

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  19. pushmepullu (686 comments) says:

    The Maori party have repeatedly accused white New Zealanders of being colonialists, imperialists and racists. That’s you and me, DPF. I’m not sure what school of thought you come from, but classic liberals like me view anybody who tars others with negative epithets just because of their skin colour as RACIST

    As for jail terms, they can talk all they want, but last I checked treason was illegal – and advocating policies that will weaken the country’s ability to defend itself in a time of war are definitely treasonous.

    And by the by, I don’t think my views are unpopular – the fact that National and ACT were voted in with such a resounding majority last weekend seems to show there are many who agree with me. Voters didn’t seem to think that the Maori party was necessary – a shame some politicians seem to think otherwise.

    Mark my words, Key and those who support him will have cause to bitterly regret this day, soon to live in infamy, as a surrender to extremism.

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  20. helmet (807 comments) says:

    Ok pushmepullu, we’ll mark your words then. But somehow I don’t think the end of the world as we know it in NZ will be precipitated by a little cooperation.
    Of course, when Key, Tariana and Pita are all in the gallows for treason, I’ll be the first to admit you were right.

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  21. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,823 comments) says:

    That’s what we want to see:
    Fast track to the top: John Key’s ready to take over.

    The Clarkist era is over.

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  22. goodgod (1,363 comments) says:

    The Maori party have repeatedly accused white New Zealanders of being colonialists, imperialists and racists. That’s you and me, DPF. I’m not sure what school of thought you come from, but classic liberals like me view anybody who tars others with negative epithets just because of their skin colour as RACIST

    As for jail terms, they can talk all they want, but last I checked treason was illegal – and advocating policies that will weaken the country’s ability to defend itself in a time of war are definitely treasonous.

    And by the by, I don’t think my views are unpopular – the fact that National and ACT were voted in with such a resounding majority last weekend seems to show there are many who agree with me. Voters didn’t seem to think that the Maori party was necessary – a shame some politicians seem to think otherwise.

    Mark my words, Key and those who support him will have cause to bitterly regret this day, soon to live in infamy, as a surrender to extremism.

    Correct. That anyone could say: what hatred? what racism? about the moari party, now, shows the same political myopia as the residents of The Standard. Shame.

    “A Little Co-operation”

    Translation: NZ run by committee with all the attendant failure of committees. Compromise after compromise, a watering down of direction and result – where any final result is actually achieved.

    The only good news of this whole feel good frenzy is that it isn’t a Labour coalition.

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  23. NZD.JPY (130 comments) says:

    The win last weekend would have been so much less satisfying if the lefties just took it on the chin and quietly got on with upskilling and job hunting. Chris Trotter reminds me how good it felt to remove those nasty little brand loyalists from power. May he pump out these rants more often.

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  24. Grant Michael McKenna (1,158 comments) says:

    Bringing in the Māori Party means that any tendencies towards extremism are attenuated by the fact that they will be able to deliver to their community by allying themselves to National, thereby ending claims that the NP are racist- and besides which, the fun of watching them call Labour racist is worth a ministerial appointment in itself.

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  25. KiwiGreg (3,246 comments) says:

    The agreement is only in English? A little surprising.

    I’m gob smacked they took Maori Affairs – this wont last surely as cabinel collective responsibility applies to a Minister’s portfolio whether they are in or out of cabinet and Maori Affairs is almost by definition the entire Maori Pary manifesto.

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  26. dad4justice (8,023 comments) says:

    Who is the Minister of Child Abuse or will another Rangi go wandering around in Australia blaming them again?

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  27. KiwiGreg (3,246 comments) says:

    “Both parties agree that there will not be a question about the future of the Maori seats in the referandum on MMP planned by the National Party”

    Easy to see why – they would be toasted but it still rankles.

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  28. Murray (8,844 comments) says:

    I too find much of their past retoric racist and devisive. Well perhaps the Maori party will learn that if they want to play they have to play nice.

    Having wandered around the hikoi that rocked up to parliament there were certainly a lot of people there whose big issue was the manner in which Helen Clark had carried out the process. It’s worth recalling that this was the issue that gave rise to the founding of the Maori party. Divisivness is not limitied to white conservatives it would seem.

    Well done Helen, you arrogance and spite has finnaly created a New Zealand government that represents a substantial majority of its people.

    And you’re not one of them.

    Sweet.

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  29. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Well I guess there’s so much slavish praise of Key and his agreements, I guess a little criticism won’t cut too deeply. I say that the agreements Key has entered into are a betrayal of those who have thus far supported him. I say (and I’m quite ready to be challenged on the assertion) that NZers are fed up with MMP and the losers who capitalized on the confusion it produced. They wanted clean clear government, and this could have been realised through a two party coalition of National and ACT.

    Instead, Key has brought in the odious self promoter Dunne and a bunch of racists, where one of the co-leaders (groan) has accused European NZers of committing genocide against the Maori (remember the holocaust comments?) and is so weakly deceptive that she was caught lying prone in the back of a government car to avoid being seen when she left a meeting with Helen Klark. Turia is also an advocate for Maori Sovereignty. There’s no way any responsible politician should be entering into any kind of agreement with this scheming shifty charlatan, racist and opportunist.

    So now we have the creep Dunnne happily ensconced AGAIN (man that’s such a piss off) the Maori seats entrenched for the term of this election and most probably for ever, a deceitful racist with her face plastered all over the news, and for what?? To deny ACT a degree of influence.

    I say bring back Brash. Its too late of course, but I have always thought John Key’s political incoherency would make him an ineffective leader, and I reckon this flawed and politically damaging agreement proves I was right. It is incredulous to me that Key is ready to commit NZ to the tragedy of the entrenchment of the Maori seats, and the seemingly never ending irritation of Dunne, merely to hobble ACT and Roger Douglas, the only people with the nous to fix NZ’s economic problems. Pretty piss poor I reckon.

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  30. Lee (627 comments) says:

    “The Maori party have repeatedly accused white New Zealanders of being colonialists”

    Umm…thats because they are. Tariana sometimes says things that I think are wrong, but on that one issue at least she is simply stating what should be a blindingly obvious fact.

    Like or not the New Zealand state IS a colonial entity. You came, you saw, you conquered. Thats historical fact. You established a political regime that was wise enough to include the conquered people as partners, but it does not change the fact that it is a colonial arrangement with a conquered people. You invaded someone else’s nation. There is no denying that, and hiding behind “classical liberalism” (itself a British invention and therefore a colonial import) does not change the fact.

    The question is where to go from there?

    New Zealand really has only three choices:

    Go back and return the whole country to Maori tribal sovereignty, as some of the more extreme Maori radicals want to do. Clearly not a realistic or desirable option.

    Pretend that New Zealand history and the Maori experience of that history (in terms of invasion and colonisation) can be swept under the carpet if we just pretend to be one people and pass laws enforcing that. Now that option is one thats popular with some on the right, but the result of it would be to chase Maori permanently into the hands of the left, or worse into far more extreme radicalism. Thats not a recipe for long term electoral success for National (unless BlairM has a magic formula for making white people breed more), and its not a long term recipe for success as a country.

    Or, NZ can try and find a way through the problems by working with Maori to try and find solutions that are reasonable and acceptable to most kiwis.

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  31. Lee (627 comments) says:

    I would also point out that some level of tribal sovereignty is hardly a radical idea. It works fairly well in the US with Native American tribes.

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  32. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    “The Maori party have repeatedly accused white New Zealanders of being colonialists”

    Umm…thats because they are. Tariana sometimes says things that I think are wrong, but on that one issue at least she is simply stating what should be a blindingly obvious fact.

    You’re talking about pushmepullu… he has his own blindingly obvious facts & reality.

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  33. big bruv (13,661 comments) says:

    I have not read all of this thread so excuse me if what I have to say has been covered by others.

    I find the appointment of Pita Sharples to the Maori affairs portfolio and his willingness to accept that position to be one of the most fascinating things to come out of this election.

    For years Maori have blamed the white man for all their woes, they have also said that the portfolio is under resourced.

    Assuming that the Maori party have obtained an agreement to better fund Maori affairs I would say that Key and the Nat’s have effectively neutralized the under performance of Maori for at least the next three years, it will be interesting to see who they will blame now.

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  34. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    It sounds as if National has done to Labour what Labour tried to do with the EFB….. but in an honourable and constitutional way.

    Labours tactics have completely backfired against them and will not be repeated by any party for many decades.

    Hopefully, most of the old guard will be gone shortly including Jim Anderton who is a gross case for introducing a length of service bill for MP’s. If he dies in office at 70, I will be mortified.

    so far there’s been no talk of consultants in the beehive getting the chop and they need to be prioritised quickly and sharply.

    Then downsize parliament.

    Beuraucracy is the scourge of this country and no govt is facing it head on.

    Spending on beuracracy is why there is so much unemployed and it is those who get the blame as the scape goats

    Surely we’re too educated now to be taking that crap!

    and we need more heartland Kiwi’s in parliament intead of soulless intellectuals!!!

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  35. NeillR (351 comments) says:

    Or, NZ can try and find a way through the problems by working with Maori to try and find solutions that are reasonable and acceptable to most kiwis.
    I agree, but one of the major problems is that the Treaty has been distorted.

    Pretend that New Zealand history and the Maori experience of that history (in terms of invasion and colonisation) can be swept under the carpet if we just pretend to be one people and pass laws enforcing that.
    And this is part of the distortion. What is so conveniently forgotten by Maori is that the treaty provided them protection – from other tribes and from other invading forces (principally the French). There is no doubt that both sides gained from the deal and it would be churlish not to admit that the British gained more than the Maori, but you can’t extract it from the geopolitics of the time.

    Many Maori were sick of the attacks by other tribes and were willing signatories to the Treaty, but this is often overlooked. They were happy to share their lands in return for the support and protection that came with it. There were times that Maori didn’t have equal participation in the political process, but that time is long gone and it’s time that we all moved forward (as i have quoted you at the top).

    But that moving on involves an acceptance (which i have yet to witness) that Maori actually gained from the Treaty as well. There is little to be gained by attempting to relitigate history – and the Maori seats should be abolished at the time that the final treaty settlements are completed, along with a written constitution that embodies the (equal) rights of all citizens of New Zealand.

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  36. Lee (627 comments) says:

    NeillR,

    While Maori may have had some benefit from the Treaty, that does not change the central facts of invasion and colonization, and it is these facts that must be acknowledged if we are to move forward, and acknowledged in such a way that involves some real redress, not just in terms of Treaty settlements, but also some form of devolved Maori sovereignty.

    Because as well as the supposed benefits you claim there has also been deep social destruction and breakdown, entrenched poverty, and until very recently a lack of real political power.

    “There is little to be gained by attempting to relitigate history”

    Little for you perhaps, but possibly a great deal more for Maori. There is nothing to be gained from ignoring history and pretending that Maori are just going to accept a “one law for all” or a “one political system for all” ideology. They won’t. Nor should they. So the problem is not going to go away no matter how many laws are passed.

    Anything that decentralizes political power and promotes localism is a good thing imho. The centralised “one law for all” managerial State is a purely modernist/liberal creation. At its founding that US was a decentralized federal system in which individual states exercised a degree of local sovereignty. The centralization that has since occurred is one of the issues that US conservatives were concerned about (at least until Bush), and one we should be concerned about here in NZ.

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  37. NeillR (351 comments) says:

    Lee, there was no invasion, there was no Maori sovereignty other than that which was ceded to the British – in return for protection. You are perverting history to argue otherwise. Maori were mostly welcoming of settlement, especially in return for the protection that it offered – it can’t be stressed enough.
    In many ways the Maori were lucky that the British had little regard for New Zealand other than to stop French hegemony or things may have turned out much differently than they did.

    The biggest issue that Maori face (and always have) is that there has never been a shortage of money and resources within Maoridom – it’s the distribution of that wealth that is the issue and always has been. Even going back to last century the tribal elders and ‘high born’ were very well off and they still are. Maori really need to stop blaming the pakeha for problems that are of their own making. If anything the Treaty made it easier for Maori to escape the strictures of their own tribal bounds, not hindered it. It’s a shame that many of them never realised it.

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  38. Lee (627 comments) says:

    NeillR,

    Of course there was an invasion. The process may have taken place over a long period of time, but take place it did. The fact that sovereignty now rests with the British Crown, and that British colonials make up the majority of the population, is clear proof. More proof would be the Maori wars. If there was no invasion, and Maori, as you claim, were largely happy with colonization, then why the armed resistance? Generally speaking, people do not engage in armed resistance against something they are happy about.

    “there was no Maori sovereignty other than that which was ceded to the British”

    So there WAS Maori sovereignty then. Either there was or there wasn’t. You cannot say “there was none” then say “there was some”. And while I know there is a lot of argument about the issue but it is debatable that the Maori chiefs understood or believed that they were throwing away (or ceding) their sovereignty.

    I think your the one perverting history.

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  39. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    Lee, the “invasion” you are talking about is simply colonisation.

    “It works fairly well in the US with Native American tribes.”

    The fuck it does.

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  40. NeillR (351 comments) says:

    Of course there was an invasion. The process may have taken place over a long period of time, but take place it did.
    It’s statements like this that show the distortions that have occurred because of the bullshit that is taught about the treaty. There was no invasion – there was a mutual agreement document that was signed between two peoples that formalised the settlement by white people in this land. Or are you saying that the Treaty is a figment of all our imaginations?

    So there WAS Maori sovereignty then. Either there was or there wasn’t. You cannot say “there was none” then say “there was some”. And while I know there is a lot of argument about the issue but it is debatable that the Maori chiefs understood or believed that they were throwing away (or ceding) their sovereignty.
    I have not argued at any point that there wasn’t Maori sovreignty, in fact the treaty couldn’t exist without it. The British must have accepted that sovereignty otherwise they wouldn’t have drawn the document up in the first place.
    The Maori chiefs knew exactly what they were signing – if you have ever been to the Treaty grounds (at Waitangi – the one that Labour wanted to bring under DOC management because they don’t like the truth being told either) then you would have a clear understanding of the issues as they stood at the time that the treaty was signed, not when it’s had a guilt-ridden 20th century interpretation applied to it.

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