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November 10th, 2008 at 10:17 am
“What the hell will I blog on, now that Winston’s gone?”
Helen Klark- ooops, ah no..
Aaah Mikhael Kullen..!! ooops no good either..
Hell- I dunno…!!!
November 10th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Peter Dunne.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:18 am
actually its an interesting question.
How is Kiwiblog going to adapt in the changing times?
for the past years you have had the blog of opposition, the unofficial offical blog of the anti government.
Drama and crisis has kept the blog readership up, becuase the government was always doing somethign you disagreed with. you allowed a place to debate, and very good material to read through.
So what now?
you have a government you agree with, and if John Key is true to his word, a lot less corruption and backroom antics. hell with winston gone, a hell of a lot less corruption (unless you can find something on the greens, please?)
how will KB adapt to this, and how will you keep the blog at the top of the ‘sphere?
and also, what will be the new unofficial official blog of the opposition?
i doubt the substandard, as i expect them to get their marching orders out of bowen house pretty soon, if they were not packing on sunday anyway.
hard to see malcolm/Idiot at NRT take up the slack, as he is a poseur who refuses to engage in debate.
so will it go back to public address?
what does this change mean for blogs in general, we saw the left blogs die off after the last election as they managed to stay in, so the need for propoganda reduced (until labour used taxpayer money to fund their own blog – substandard)
will we see a reduction in right blogs as blogging about what you like is no where as much fun as blogging about what you are against?
anyway, just a random thought i have had over the weekend.
AL
November 10th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Blog on reforms that you’d like to see the new govt achieve. Details of policy that they should be implementing. Start with the ETS, and the changes that you think would be necessary, and palatable to both the Greens and ACT. There are actually quite a few of them, lets start getting people across the detail so they can participate.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Why not start with making a schedule of observed waste and innapropriate use of taxpayers funds for presentation to the expenditure review team
The easy ones are self evident – rent and salaries on back office instead of front-line but I get the imprression that more than a few commenters on this blog have encountered more subtle and carefully structured “waste management schemes”.
I’ll kick off with the structure that has vehicles used by operational staff being leased from the department’s own head office. I would want to check the lease charges against the market especially as government departments usually enjoy very favourable purchase prices on such capital. This seems like a carefully designed rort to move operational funding round to become departmental income which then supports CEO’s policy and back office budgets at the expense of operational budgets. The department effectively then starves its own service delivery by the back door. They are probably doing it for other capital items like IT equipment as well.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Hmmm, perhaps a good starting point might be finding out if union members are happy with the ROI on their dues being spent on pointless nasty advertising?
November 10th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Well the Nats. have to get A into G and do some good for businesses and people. Past track records suggest that they are not to good at either so there will be plenty to focus on. Borrow some of ACT’s policy to measure the Nats progress by. Don’t allow them to be sucked in by freeloading on Helen’s policies. (which is about the current situation.) Make sure they don’t resist proper change by sheltering behind the Maori Party which is what Richard Griffin is suggesting that they do (this Morning).
Plenty to get your blue died teeth into I’d suggest.
If the Nats. don’t up the anti then ACT will decimate them next time. You have been warned.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:23 am
It would be great to come up with a set of KPI’s that this government should be measured against and do a monthly update against them.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Good suggestions from some
November 10th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Helen who?
November 10th, 2008 at 10:29 am
You’ll have heaps soon enough, once the fireworks from ACT start up & Sir Roger Douglas throws his toys out of the cot it’ll be all on. It’s safe to say the least gracious interviews of Saturday night were with ACT’s Hide & Douglas, for a party that has 1/20′th of the mandate of National they sure seem to think they can run the show.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Easy. Watch Key like a hawk. Imagine you are the Labour party building a dossier on clangers flaws and flip flops for use in the future. Monitor these for a positive purpose i.e. to guide him.
Remember he is a newby essentially and he will make plenty of mistakes.
Provide a commentary on concessions to Maori and Act (esp RD) so we can see whiter he develops a weak or strong position for the future.
Develop some sort of brick bats and bouquets analysis of his actions.
Be his conscience.
Your goal could now be to keep Key honest and keep him in power longer than 1 term.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Why is it that everyone assumes National will simply sit down and implement all the proposed policies without hesitation or controversy?
These are *POLITICIANS* we’re talking about here.
Our momentary involvement in democracy (ie: the election) is over. Now it’s time for another three years of “do as we say, not as we do” — something that is completely non-partisan – all parties subscribe to this policy.
What *will* be interesting is whether David will dare to criticise the Nats when they stuff up, backtrack or implement their own little bits of social engineering.
And for the record, I’m as right-wing as anyone (possibly more than most) but I am also someone who’s been around long enough to realise that politics is politics, regardless of the colour of the government and that all politicians are intent on looking after number-one — it’s only a matter of degree.
Fire a few thumbs-down at this post if you must — but you *know* I’m right
November 10th, 2008 at 10:33 am
I know- let’s go after Barack Obama.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:34 am
I am sure the Greens, the Standard, Chris Trotter, Mike Williams and others will provide you with heaps of material. A set of KPIs and even CSFs (critical success factors) is a nice idea but first you need some goals. And to have goals you need a vision. Does National have those? If not, they could always “borrow” some from ACT!
November 10th, 2008 at 10:36 am
What the hell will I blog on, now that Winston’s gone?
I’m guessing that writing outraged blog posts about how [insert National/ACT MP here] has done nothing wrong and is the victim of a smear campaign by the media and big business will keep you pretty busy.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:36 am
The need for an Anti-Corruption Commission (and all the raw material it has to start with).
The cost/benefit ratio support(?) for an Emissions Trading Scheme (in the light of doubtful “evidence” of global warming).
The mess that LabourFirst have left behind.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:36 am
I would not think this was a question at all.
Kiwiblog will be able to ensure that the large numbers of ordinary Kiwis who read this blog are not fooled by a mainstream media that wants to obscure and trivialise the real achievements of our new conservative government. Kiwiblog subverts one of the left’s main advantages – the control they gain from the communist sympathies of New Zealand’s editors and newspaper owners.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:37 am
In answer to your question David:
How Heather Simpson is spending her retirement.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Also, there needs to be a strong push to ensure that those who have been riding the country into the dust for the last nine years are held accountable for what they have done. Crimes have been committed – money stolen, people hurt and killed for no reason, the country betrayed. It is not enough that Helen is no longer Prime Minister. Our country is not safe while she is a free woman, because it sends a message that one can cheat, steal, lie and break the law with impunity – a message that cannot be allowed to stand.
The need to swiftly arrest and bring to trial Labour and Green MPs, as well as that fat slug Jim Anderton, is imperative. Some of them are already planning to flee the country with state assets.
Kiwiblog can definitely call for this.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Nigel wrote for a party that has 1/20′th of the mandate of National they sure seem to think they can run the show.
Not 1/20, Nigel. 1/12th.
But your point still stands.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:41 am
I was wondering who will get the speakers job?
And I agree with Viking, the country wants CHANGE not a watered down version of Liarbore, Act have some good ideas, National should LISTEN. As for Dick Griffan he can go and whistle Dixie out of his arsehole if he believes National should take in the Maori party simply to keep a check on Act.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:42 am
You could always start a campaign for the post of “Blogmaster General” Surely there is a need for a fully functioning department that can live-blog select committee hearings, budget review meetings, Treasury briefings etc. Sure would liven up the blogosphere. HEH
November 10th, 2008 at 10:44 am
It might also be worthwhile keeping an eye on how the Susan Couch trust progresses…
November 10th, 2008 at 10:50 am
The hysterical shrieky Judith Tizard? …wait..oh no..shes gone too ha ha ha.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:52 am
DPF
I would not be to worried mate, in the immediate future there will be plenty of material as the Labour party implodes.
Expect to see stories leaking out about Heather Simpson’s reign of terror and how the leadership candidates want to distance themselves from the excesses of the Klark and Kullen regime.
I tend to agree with Hooten when he says that the next Labour party PM is not yet in the house, there will be a lot of fun and games within Labour over the next few years as they sort out where they are going and who they want to lead them.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Thats the thing about lefties, they’re long on predictions of people being about to do what they’ve been doing but don;t let a small thing like have been demonstrated to be completley full of shit stop them from continuing to talk crap.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:58 am
The old Richard Nixon ‘You won’t have me to kick around anymore’ syndrome.
We could all get back to work as a substitute. Hopefully we will get to keep more of what we earn and be molested less by authority.
November 10th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Bikini contest?
November 10th, 2008 at 11:00 am
David, there seems to be a bit of “what do we do now” meme circulating amongst some of us today..
Once you have purged the feelings of despair brought on by the no doubt industrial quantities of piss you have consumed over the last 72 hours you will realise that there is more to blog about now than there was last week.
My comments to FFM at No Minister who is also feeling a little sorry for himself:
“Now is the time to increase the pressure on what is left of the red team FFM. A decade where they have enthusiastically pursued the twin ideals of corruption and incompetence. A reckoning is needed.
QB is calling for Clark to be made ambassador to Washington. This makes me more angry than anything Trotter has ever shat out. I want her struck permanently from any role that is funded by us. I want Shane Jones hung out with his mates on the passports for cash scandal, I want the civil service purged of the red team that will work hard to ankle tap our new PM.
I have more to blog about now than ever in the past.”
There is much work to do, the msm immediately fell to eulogising Clark and remaking her as some sainted princess. I for one will not forget or forgive the profligate spendathon by these clowns and will be working hard to ensure nobody else forgets either.
We have endured nine years of labour blaming everything on the last nat govt, you can be sure they will not be allowed to escape constant reminders of why we are on the verge of being broke for the next nine.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:01 am
I’m hoping there will never be another Labour PM.
In 2011 Labour will not be able to campaign. Most of their leaders will be in jail – only those who weren’t in Parliament in 1999-2008 will still be around, although some of them might be complicit (organisational conspiracy). Add that to the fact that they will be cut off from the public money that they have used to sustain themselves after National revises the blatantly pro-Labour electoral laws. Their vote will shrink still further.
By 2014 National will have turned the economy round and we will be rocketing up the OECD charts as the most pro-business country in the world. It might not see the Labour party disappear from Parliament but they will not be a credible government.
Future elections might just be fought between National and ACT… it will be good to see the public debating whether the flat tax rate should be 15% or 12%.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:04 am
David – you seem to have claimed victory before HWMNBWO (that is He WHo Must Never Be Written Off) has the stake through the heart and the coffin encased in lead, concrete and soil! Winston 4.1 will be here soon, with even better interpretations of ‘the exact word’ and the situation in re the fourth estate and immigrants with other then anglo-saxon genetics. On that front, there will be plenty to do.
Then there is the idea of a “Balanced Score Card” for the new government – issued perhaps monthly and with significant emphasis on the compromises being engaed to maintain coalition cohesion.
Then, of course, there will always be the antics of the Greens, as they shed their watermelon skin.
Finally, if all else fails to excite you, there is local government!
. . . . . Will landfill result in the squaring off of the Auckland Harbour?
. . . . . Will Otago students elect a majority of under 21 year old councillors?
. . . . . Will the nice Shoe Man regaing the Wellington Mayoralty?
. . . . . Will??? Can ???? Did??? Etc.,
PLenty of interesting happy mischief to attend to there methinks.
Have a day off. Get leied and drunk and finally, sleep off the hangover. We need you tomorrow, when the next set of interesting occurences begin!
November 10th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Slow down Bill.
If nothing else, Key is a pragmatist who looks carefyully at the risk/reward trade-off of his decisions.
Getting HC out of NZ for 3 years would actually be a very small price to pay for the following reasons.
1.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Barnsley , speaking of Trotter… what a nasty piece of work …. reading his post election sunday column made me want to vomit.
Trotter is just a bitter old man and should lose his column.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Yesterday I attended a celebratory BBQ with our new National MP, it is fair to say that I have done a lot of work to make sure she was elected (while giving my party vote to ACT) over the last few months.
While I was talking with her I had to admit that although I am extremely happy to see the end of Labour and Klark/Kullen I also have a strange feeling of deflation now that it is all over.
Still, its a far better feeling than it would be if we were facing another three years of Labour/Green.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:09 am
DPF
Winston will now blog about YOU
November 10th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Ooops didn’t like the TAB
anyhoo
Barnsley Bill, re transporting HC off to the colonies
1. It would get her toxic and bitter personality out of our Parliament
2. It would get her out of our newspapers and our faces with her opinions on everything
3. It would lock her in to a cone of silence about Nat Government policy
4. It would remove her from being a manipulator and coach of the labour party
5. Someone will get paid to do it – no additional cost
6. John Key does not need the distraction of being vindictive and neither does any of his team, they have enough to do dismantling the entrenched structures and attitudes of the beuracracy and getting on with policy.
I’m sure there are more but that’s not a bad start
November 10th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Bill.
Better we promote H1 as our Ambassador to the UN and the late lamented ex-party Leader and ex-Reserve Bank Governor as Ambassador to Washington.
H1 would have to learn humility, as NZ is well done on the pecking list at the UN, and having to toe the Key Government’s line on UN policy would be quite a nice punishment for her. AND, she would cost less there then some of the other things I could see her doing (unless she goes to live in her house in London!).
Don would be good for NZ in Washington, as he has a good grasp of international monetary affairs, and could gain some influence over the influencers with his gentlemanly lecturing/mentoring style; which would be good for New Zealand!
November 10th, 2008 at 11:18 am
I think one thing the LP will have to do to renew is to purge itself of the ubiquitous PC feminist ideology that permeates the party. This will mean all the hairy legged, academic lesbians will have to resign, reducing the size of the LP by three quarters IMO.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Chris Trotters Column from the SST.
Or, Democracy is wonderful, unless we lose?
“The night MMP couldn’t save us from ourselves
By CHRIS TROTTER
Sunday Star Times | Sunday, 09 November 2008
Well, the New Zealand Left has woken up to its very own 9/11.
Last night’s result represents not just a slap in the face for Helen Clark and her Labour-led government, it sets the seal on the political values of a whole generation.
Clark and her colleagues stood for all that was good about the baby-boomer generation: its idealism and its 40-year refusal to bow down to the reactionary values of an uptight, male-dominated society driven by a dangerous determination to discipline and punish.
That’s what triumphed last night: the hunger to punish – and a crippling fear of social change.
And, like most things in this world, it’s happened before.
The New Zealand electorate doesn’t often behave selfishly or stupidly. In fact, apart from last night, I can recall only one other occasion when it has done so – 1975.
In every other election I can remember, the New Zealand electorate has demonstrated an acute grasp of what was necessary politically. They didn’t always get it, but that was because of the way the first-past-the-post electoral system worked to frustrate the will of the majority. Had the popular vote been reflected in the composition of its parliaments, New Zealand would have had a very different post-war history.
Even in the 1975 election “Rob’s Mob” did not achieve a majority of the popular vote. Had MMP been in place 33 years ago, Bill Rowling would have continued to be prime minister of New Zealand at the head of a Labour-Social Credit-Values coalition government. Nevertheless, with 47.6% of the popular vote, National came very close in 1975.
Thirty-three years ago the feral nature of Muldoon’s support was discernible everywhere. You could see, as well as sense, the curious social chemistry that was fusing the interests of lanky Young Nats with tousled locks, smart pullovers and slacks, with grizzled old working-class battlers in oil-stained overalls. They wanted no part of Bill Rowling’s “New Society” – in fact it scared them to death.
Thirty-three years on, that same queer chemistry is again in evidence. You can smell it on the blogosphere, as rank and rangy as a young man’s student flat. You can read it on the pages of the right-wing media: the smug certainties of our genteel suburban fascisti – regurgitated to order by publications long-used to dripping the oleaginous phraseology of “responsible journalism” all over the jagged edges of their readers’ class-advantage.
And it’s been there for all of us to absorb in the polls – though many of us simply refused to believe our fellow citizens could be so dumb – or so mean.
But, we were wrong. They were.
Looking at the result, you realise just how much this country and its people have changed. So much so that, last night not even our proportional system of electoral representation could rescue us from ourselves.
So, what was it in the end? What led a majority of the New Zealand electorate to reject a government that has not only done it no great harm (as National-led governments are historically prone to do), but might even be said to have done it some good? Why did voters reject a prime minister with nine years of hard-won experience in government, for a chap who’s barely spent six years in parliament?
Last night’s result was manufactured out of the besetting sin of the last 150 years of western history – the crisis of masculinity. What, exactly, is a man in a world of corporate and public bureaucracies? A world of tin-pot bosses, impossible schedules, and unrealistic expectations? A world where to show your feelings is to reveal your weakness? A world where girls can do anything, but boys make a virtue out of boorish stupidity? A world where cynicism trumps heroism, and where simple human decency is dismissed as political correctness?
It was these: the men who just couldn’t cope with the idea of being led by an intelligent, idealistic, free-spirited woman; the gutless, witless, passionless creatures of the barbecue-pit and the sports bar (and the feckless females who put up with them); who voted Helen Clark out of office.
John Key – you’re welcome to them. ”
As one of the people who voted for John Key, I actually viciously RESENT the attitude shown by Mr Trotter on this occasion. His challenge to my intellect and social standing is repugnant, his mindless witterings belittle him and us.
If he is so devastated, may I suggest emigration!!!
November 10th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Barnsley
The best thing Key could do with Clark (and more importantly) Winston is to get them as far away from NZ as possible.
I am amazed at the way the left have already consigned the Nat’s to a one term govt without even considering that the only reason Labour made any sort of race of the election was because of Clark, yes most here dislike her with a passion but the fact remains she is and will be the biggest asset the left have for some considerable time.
The same goes for Winston, the comments of Michael Laws are worth considering when he said that Winston will be back and given that Key and Hide were the main reasons Winston lost we must know that Winston will be back with only one goal and that is the defeat of Key.
So as unpalatable as it seems to most of us Key should do the right thing and appoint Clark and Winston to prestigious overseas positions, that is the only way to ensure they NEVER have another role to play in our Parliament.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Big Bruv I see Andrew Little doesn’t want Mick Williams job, can you blame him and whats left of the Liarbore party couldn’t run a fucking chook raffle. At the moment it looks like the Liarbore party has a bad case of AIDS, they a slowly fading away. This I believe will benifit the Melons who are now well established and can offer comfort to those on the far left of Liarbore with their lunatic policies
November 10th, 2008 at 11:22 am
DPF, your brief is clear.
You are “new media”.
Keeping the “Old Media” honest, might be too much to ask. More to the point, your brief is to get the truth out there, especially when they won’t. THAT includes not just their behavior in whitewashing unpalatable truths on behalf of politicians, political beliefs, agendas, and worldviews, that they are vested in; but their behavior in beating up and spinning non-issues and even outright untruths against conservatism generally.
You fill a valuable role in the “in with the new, out with the old” developments in media. If I may make just one criticism, it is that you capitulate too easily to the demands of today’s politically correct establishment, including that “old media”, in efforts to be Mr Decent Centrist.
You did a fabulous job regarding Winston, and we all owe you for that, and the sterling work you have done over the arcane issues of who knew what and when on corrupt political financing, and the EFA, and other issues. But please realise who your allies are when there is a common “enemy”, and acknowledge when people like Ian Wishart are right, and “Family First”, and Gordon Copeland, and Peter Cresswell, and Trevor Loudon, and don’t regard the need to dissociate yourself from people who have been made pariahs of by the “mainstream” establishment, as trumping truth that they might be saying or exposing. It has been said of William F. Buckley in the USA, that he managed to get Libertarians and Christian Fundamentalists and Pat Buchanan nationalists and the “Centre Right” working together on common ground instead of spending more time repudiating each other than repudiating socialism.
The little vignette over Lockwood Smith’s comments recently was very illustrative. The Herald poll on the subject was overwhelmingly IN FAVOUR of Lockwood until it was sabotaged by either the PC thought police in the Herald itself, or by well-resourced PC thought police outside of the Herald. Either way, the lesson to be taken out of that, is that MOST of the PC bullshit to which you might be anxious to kow-tow, is based on utterly dishonest manipulations of reality. Lockwood’s electorate majority on Saturday night, is the crowning confirmation of this. Lockwood is NOT “electoral poison”. It is only the wish of your political enemies that this be the case, and that you and others believe it to be the case.
While being very happy with John Key as our new PM, I remain sad at the thought of what “might have been”, had we had a hand like Don Brash’s at the helm for the last 3 years, given his grasp of what was happening with credit expansion and the housing market in NZ. I remain sad at the lack of solidarity in the National Party and its supporters such as you, DPF, that was exposed 3 years ago, so that the best man for the time was thrown to the wolves of the socialist government and its media supporters, on the basis of an alleged “lie” that he had not told and “law-breaking collusion with Christian fundamentalists” that did not exist. Please don’t let this happen to John Key.
Keep reading David Horowitz, and if you haven’t read Lord Ashcroft’s book, that is a “must”.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:26 am
This time we got rid of Winston First. Next time let’s get rid of the Watermelons.
This election should be a high watermark for them for the following reason.
Global warming had been high on the agenda for the last few years. Next time even the MSM won’t be able to ignore 13 years of cooling.
Oil prices have recently hit a temporary peak. Once the recession has passed the price will bottom out at much lower level.
Labour will be forgiven by left wing for their dirty tricks by then, so should be beginning to consolidate the left wing vote
It is unlikely the will run as good a campaign as this time
As always the Stoner’s Curse
November 10th, 2008 at 11:27 am
More seriously, I reckon that bloggers have to continue to go after the left wing propagandists that pose as journalists in NZ. These people are a poisonous stain on the democratic process. Commenters and bloggers have to counter their propaganda with truth, and do our best to provide the information that helps the right and is normally ignored by the mainstream media.
For a start, Key and the Nats need to be persuaded to rid us of the poison that is TV One and Radio New Zealand. Privatize them now. You need to start cutting government expenditure guys, here’s two good places to start.
(BTW, before the commies come in bleating their usual crap about TV One running at a profit, back off. It only runs at a “profit” due to government expenditure and subsidies. Like all things of the left, the “profit” is an illusion.)
November 10th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Redbaiter
I guarantee that TVNZ’s advertising income takes a dive now that the election is over and the subliminal Kiwibank adverts take a break.
I found it scandalous that Kiwibank ramped up their advertising just as the election was announced.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:33 am
“you have a government you agree with, and if John Key is true to his word, a lot less corruption and backroom antics. hell with winston gone, a hell of a lot less corruption (unless you can find something on the greens, please?)”
The way I see it we have to keep JK and the National led government honest and on track. I would like to think that the average centre-right supporter is not so much of a blind follower as their counterparts on the left who make any excuse for their leaders. A government of honesty and integrity is important for all New Zealanders. The Fourth Estate no longer does it’s job so perhaps it is up to bloggers and their commentators to be the Fifth Estate.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Phool, Sonic, Woger
Where are you????
November 10th, 2008 at 11:35 am
I think Chris Trotters increasingly bitter sounding posts deserve some reflection… his blaming the election loss on the ‘Masculinity Crisis’ was a particularly odious little piece. He’s a poor loser to say the least.
Lets ignore the fact my baby boomer parents, my educated & previously Labour voting wife and all of my friends have voted National, no, we are all wrong according to Mr Trotter, we are all boorish slobs who MMP is meant to protect society from.
Here is my take on why Labour lost:
#1 EFA
#2 An Under Current of Social Engineering (whether perceived or real)
#3 Winston, Cover-ups, Policies for Cash and Citizenship for Cash
#4 Politicisation of the Public Service
#5 The Attack Key Campaign
Chris, your ideals lost the election, your parties ideals that led to a woeful third term and a woeful campaign. I’m glad Helen took responsibility, her third term was disgrace and she had to go.
Bring on the unwinding of the last 9 years. Bring on Trotter’s increasing desperate squeals. We all need a good laugh and the lefts voice is getting increasingly shrill.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:36 am
I believe the idea now is that we all get back to work and make the economy grow – roll on top half of the OECD.
So perhaps you could blog reviews for us of fine wines, gourmet food, exotic travel destinations and expensive cars, since we are all going to be very rich soon … yeah right.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:36 am
For anyone who, like me, thought Trotter’s column was a graceless, bitter and twisted rant, Steve Braunias’ rant in the SST was even worse.
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/11/bad-losers-1.html
November 10th, 2008 at 11:39 am
“What the hell will I blog on, now that Winston’s gone?”
Well, I’m sure that you’ll be there to beat up any sniff of the National Government’s wrong-doing, into a overwhelming stench. That’s of course, assuming that you’re willing to give up your cozy arrangement with the National Party research unit, that was recently revealed by the bumbling bafoon “whale oil/cameron slater”?
What, you’re not willing to do that you say? Surprise, surprise. I look forward to three years of unquestioning pro-National Party cheer-leading from kiwiblog.
That’s right folks – DPF is about to become the right’s Jordan Carter. Watch that hit count go south at one hell of a rapid rate hey DPF?
[DPF: Such a sore and bitter loser you are]
November 10th, 2008 at 11:40 am
David, may I suggest that you spend some time destroying Helen Clark’s legacy.
With National now in posession of the account books, SIS files, and other supressed government info, I am certain that there will be much to blog about. Lets get it out in the open.
Lets make sure everyone knows what a filthy lying corrupt pack of weasels Labour is, and ensure that there’s no more of this tendency towards hagiography in relation to past Labour leaders. Clark is a corrupt, venal, dishonest character, and needs to be defined and remebered as such.
I am certain that there will be no shortage of material to work with. Lets start dismantling her character and legacy piece by piece, reverse her destructive, divisive policies one by one. Hell, lets see if we can get her locked up.
Now that would be cool.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Brian, John Key doesn’t need us to keep him honest.
His record in international currency trading is one of absolute 100% honesty, as that is what the international financial industry demands. Those who are less than scrupulously honest and moral do not meet with success in the corporate world.
And if that wasn’t enough (AND IT IS) his time in the House, when once again he has held himself to the highest moral standards and always been 100% up front, confirm it.
John Key is an example to us all. We have elected him to get on with the job because he is a good enough person to deserve the Prime Minister’s office. We should be striving to follow his example, not bullying him by ‘holding him to account’ for things he hasn’t done!
The role of the conscientious right winger is to prevent criticism of John Key, not to initiate it.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Dpf’s hit count will never go south of Roger Nome’s progressive politics tho, there’s always that for a consolation.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:42 am
there will be plenty to write about
how john key is selling public assets
how john is helping the banks and not the people
how john has helped destroy the dollar
how john has set us up for the new world order
how john has helped banks steal the peoples houses and property
how john will bailout banks from there own greed with our money
how john will take rights we took for granted away
how john has helped the gap between the rich and poor grow
how john is taking orders from Israel and not the people of NZ
how john will bring back conscription but only for the poor
mark my words there will be plenty to write about when you wake up to the fact hes a new world order puppet
your lack of info and knowledge dose not make me crazy
November 10th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Firstly I agree with BB and that has me worried!
DPF I think there will be plenty to report on as the Labour party/govt implodes.
The reign of terror is over and i think we are about to see whistle blowing like never before.
Now that the civil servants have nothing to fear i think a lot of stuff regarding the Helen/Heather manipulation and dishonesty (corruption) will be released.
I can’t wait!
Secondly I think this is the last election for some of the smaller parties.
NZ first; gone!
Progressives; gone!
United Future; probably gone coz Peter Dunne won’t have a point of differance next time (some would say he didn’t this time)
Next Election the choices will be , National, labour, Greens, ACT and the Maoris.
Much cleaner and essential for the Nats to build a relationship with the Maoris.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:44 am
I’d like to hear more from jastowns…
November 10th, 2008 at 11:45 am
roger
We won, you lost, eat that!
November 10th, 2008 at 11:45 am
“Watch that hit count go south at one hell of a rapid rate hey DPF?”
With your record for predictions, you’ve still got the gall to make them? Haw haw. Lamer.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:45 am
never say never helmet.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Are you on drugs jastowns or just a rogered nome retard?
November 10th, 2008 at 11:47 am
bruv – doesn’t really matter. Key either keeps all of Labour’s main policies, or is chucked out at the the next election. The only way we’re going in the medium-term is left bud.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Hey dad. Out on bail again?
November 10th, 2008 at 11:48 am
I posted this earlier on BLue NZ but given PhilBest’s it seems I should re-post it here:
Lockwood Smith INCREASED his majority from 11,536 to 14,376 a 25% increase.
Maurice Williamson INCREASED his majority from 9,582 to 12,759, a 33% increase.
These are substantial gains which suggests the electorate was not at all upset by either of their comments which the media pounced on with such glee. Indeed these figures suggest they approved of them highly.
So what have they done wrong?
Maurice knows more about transport than anyone else in caucus and Lockwood Smith is one of the few scientists in there too.
So why should they be demoted?
If they are demoted these are victories to the Left and the left media in particular.
So why deliver both their heads on a plate?
November 10th, 2008 at 11:48 am
No chance Roger, Labour will not be an effective opposition for at least six years and I think you know that better than I do.
Oh…..I respect you for showing up here after such a comprehensive thrashing.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Oh shit, thanks Rog. So all the media is way off when they say we’ve taken a shift to the right.
Loser.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:49 am
jastowns
What crap.
Have a look at where the dollar has opened this morning.
Who introduced the banking guarantee scheme BEFORE the election?
How does a gap between rich and poor matter when everyone is better off?
envious little scumbag
November 10th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Nice one roger , no I have been extremely busy getting papers ready for your entry into the Liarbour Prison.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Helmet, usually I decry the media as a bunch of scurrilous rumour mongers who cannot be trusted due to massive systematic left wing bias. But in this case I have to say they have got it right, there has been a rightward shift.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Pushmepullu- rubbish. Roger says we’re going left. I believe him. I thought he was banned for trolling, what’s he doing back?
November 10th, 2008 at 11:52 am
That’s medium-term remember helmet? Yes we will take a small rightward shift, but under MMP, a repeat of Bolger’s far-right election-promise-breaking fiesta isn’t possible. National can’t form a government with 35% of the vote any more.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Oh as well jastowns,
you might like to take a few minutes and contemplate the difference between a right and a privilege. When you can properly explain that in a believeble way you might earn some credibility. Until then why don’t you combine sex with travel and foxtrot oscar.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:55 am
I have been surprised at the venom and bile that has come out of Trotter’s last two columns.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:56 am
“ What the hell will I blog on now that Winston’s gone”
You could continue investigative reporting…..like….
Is Winston’s hair really his? Could it be a toupe ?
OR
Winston needs to be prosecuted for – The Susan Couch Trust affair
– all those other things that the electoral commission and the police let him off on.
– Racing and Scampi rorts
On second thoughts, that would merely keep him in the news.
Ambassador to Iceland ?? I’m sure he could dream up a scam somewhere to get their economy back on its feet.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:58 am
You’ve got plenty to blog about potentially David as far as the new Obama administration’s attitude to NZ is concerned…when, as John Key says, will Obama pull out his world atlas to check where we are, and ram home his internationalist credentials to us? How long will it take him to realise just who John Key is and invite him to the White House? What role will Helen Clark play in the further development of the NZ-US relationship? Is Obama’s protectionist rhetoric just that and will we see a new era dawn in NZ-US trade relations?
That oughta keep you going for a while DPF!
November 10th, 2008 at 11:59 am
david it is my right not to have any cockhead telling me what i have to do that is a right not a privilege,if you had any idea about freedom you would know this
as i said your lack of info and knowledge dose not make me stupid
November 10th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
“how john is taking orders from Israel and not the people of NZ”.you cant be serious ,jastowns.That would have to rank as one of silliest comments yet.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Oh ok, if medium term means sometime after 2015 when labour gets back in, sure, what the hell. But the only direction National’s going is right. Forgive me if I pay no attention to any of your half arsed predictions roger, but you’re always wrong so far. Take the election result for example.
I’m actually very excited for the future of NZ politics. The potential for a stable government to develop that includes input from every party except Labour and provides long term stability definitely exists. Key’s a bridge builder, a negotiator and a humanist. Clark was solely interested in power, that’s why she chucked in the towel as soon as it was torn from her by kiwi voters. Key is interested in NZ. It’s fuckin awesome, and may be the end of politics as we know it around here.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
No jas, your stupidity makes you stupid.
Your double figure iq makes you stupid.
Your stupid comments are a result of this stupidity.
And your antisemitism makes you a racist piece of crap. Even you do put a pretty bow it that says “anti-Zionist”.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
I’m with helmet here. Nome has no credibility at all, funnily enough his namesake seems to be back in parliament. Key will keep many of Labour’s policies, no doubt about that. Both ones that were reasonably good policies, and ones that are electorally not reversible. Same as Helen kept most of the “failed policies of the past.”
However, what he will also do is demonstrate to NZers whom have been brain washed by the media and the left, that actually having a National govt doesn’t result in introduction of compulsory baby eating legislation. Over time he will also gain the confidence of the people, who will believe him when he says “we don’t need to own these damn railways, all we need to own is the track.” And “why do we own and subsidise a loss making bank?” Next election, he will have moved the electorate a little to the right, and he will move with them. And also in the next election. By the time Labour’s turn comes around again (and I predict that John Key will fall to the same hubris that all politicians do, and that we’ll need to be rid of him after 2 maybe 3 terms), they’ll need to promise all John Key’s policies in order to get in. Like Labour in Australia had to do. It’s called politics, and for a political science student you seem to know very little about it Roger. (or did I misremember the pol sci bit – was that PhilU’s claim?)
November 10th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
I’ll enjoy seeing you criticise John Key and National – yeah right.
You may as well shut up shop…there’ll be no fun in reading a National Party newsletter. John can do that himself.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
jastown, looks like you’re copying and pasting since you’ve spelt does wrong twice. Either that or you should take some time out to explain what a knowledge dose is. I could be wrong though, maybe it’s just the anger flowing through your fingers that are causing you to hit the keys out of order. Anger leads to hate and it seems you certainly hate John Key and he’s barely had a chance to do anything yet.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
“What the hell will I blog on, now that Winston’s gone?”
You wait. I believe Key is making overtures to the Maori Party because he wants to position himself where he can say “NO” to Act’s more extreme economic experiments.
And by doing this very openly, he is sending Act a message. One they won’t forget: “You don’t own me, bitches”…
November 10th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
What the hell will I blog on, now that Winston’s gone?
A large oaken stake has been thrust through Winston’s heart. But a single drop of blood could revive him! Just because he is out of Parliament does not mean he will shut up, retire, and spend the rest of his life playing golf.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
jastowns (31) don’t you just love this new feature dpf has introduced. Putting your IQ in brackets after your name, nifty eh?
November 10th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
For the time being you can forget about the crook Peters and instead blog on the bitter and twisted Michael Cullen, who in the press release announcing his resignation said: “I also, of course, look forward over the next three years to seeing a big narrowing in the wage gap between Australia and New Zealand, significantly higher productivity, shorter hospital waiting lists, much reduced serious crime and improved public education standards under the National-led government.”
Isn’t this aging little tired professor of History a good example of disreputable behaviour? Why can’t he show some graciousness in defeat?
Hell, no. Living proof of the arrogant bastard Cullen is.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
My recollection from Cullen’s time in power was that it is impossible for a government to make any changes at all in the first term, so at the next election I expect to hear lots of “we’re still dealing with the mess from the previous govt.” In fact, if I recall correctly this continues until the day you get voted out.
But on a more serious note, productivity growth isn’t something you change in 5 minutes, so if it did start to rise this year I’d probably have to give Cullen credit. I’d be very surprised to see a lot of change in the next 3 years – unless Key has some real magic to weave.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
if im a anti Zionist,i must be a terrorist is that right murray,you know there even hiding in your cupboard now days
its my guess you dont know what Zionism is,because if your not a anti zionist you are one or dont know anything about it
take my previous post, copy it,stick it on your wall,tick them off as they happen,most of them will have a tick before two years are up,im not a fortune teller,i have seen it happen all over the world
if any of you sourced your news away from main stream you would know what i on about
how many times is antisemitism thrown around,your a well trained pup
{DPF: Please move back on topic]
November 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
I think there is a need for people to ensure that National has a process of continual renewal, so that it never ends up looking old and tired and mean like the crowd that we’ve just shown the door.
Many of the MPs just elected look really good. But if you browse the list of National MPs, there are a lot of underperformers. They need to be kept out of cabinet, and retired by the 2011 election. Maybe earlier if they can be replaced via the list. IMHO, Key should set himself an objective of retiring after winning the 2014 election so that the leadership team competing in 2017 is new and fresh. And hopefully the PM that replaces him will be one of the new MPs elected this year.
November 10th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Become PR flak for the racing industry, you’ll get use of a helicopter in 2011 campaign. No more motorhomes.
[DPF: LOL]
November 10th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
” as i said your lack of info and knowledge dose not make me stupid”
True Jastown stupidity is often inherited I guess your mum and dad were stupid too. They must have been or they would have drowned you at birth.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
jastwon, are you Whoar’s right hand man in the “kitchen”? It’s the only explanation for the truckload of nonsense you’ve given us so far.
Think carefully before you write, otherwise shut up and stay close to your mentor, the Chef.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
settle down johnboy i know your mother and your father could be anyone that was drunk enough
November 10th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
“What the hell will I blog on, now that Winston’s gone?”
Ever noticed how most of the nasty leftwing pricks on this site are Greens supporters? (Philu, Nome, Paul)
Why not take an Wishart (November issue) look at the “Reds inside the Greens” These guys need some real scrutiny
November 10th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Here’s something to blog on: Winston’s party vote vs Rodney’s! I look forward to reading about this…
PS: Patrick Starr – what? The Greens contain lefties, therefore they must be corrupt…?
November 10th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Since the MSM will continue to publish Government and opposition press releases with little comment or scrutiny, I suggest that Kiwiblog use the power of the internet to start providing some fact-checking on New Zealand’s political discourse.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
yes..kiwoblog might have to change from attack dog to apologist..
..(a hard ask..)
..but then again…
..key will give the harridans in act the flick soon..
..( i give it three months..)
..and will do a deal with the maori party/and or..the greens..
..then you’ll have plenty to bitch about again…
..and as for me..?
..i’m just awaiting the arrival of the clowns..
..and looking forward to the hours of spectator fun we will all have..
..watching cullen..
..wodger-baiting..
..goading the splenetic one..
http://whoar.co.nz/2008/here-come-the-clownsto-my-rightyou-know-him-as-ol-yellow-jacketyesits-rodney-dancing-fool-hideand-further-to-his-rightthat-blast-from-the-pastyou-know-him-as-year-zero-rogerits-wodger-douglas/
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
[DPF: But Phil, tell us how you got it so wrong? You spent years telling us how you are always right]
November 10th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Well you could post occasionally reminding people that simply being voted out of office is not sufficient punishment for malfeasance, deceit and general toxicity. If you or I – let alone some minor government official – had got up to certain hijinks (including a trip to Las Vegas and associated issues) we’d be hoping our cell mate was a eunuch about now.
November 10th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Any chance of that admission that you were flat out wrong PhilU?
November 10th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
yeah..i was 0.8% out..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
November 10th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
and why the gloating dpf..?
..you and the rabid far righties have ended up with a centrist prime minister..
..who owes you diddly-squat..
..has policies..acording to ol’ yellowjacket..
..that are ‘further to the left than labour’..
..and who is already frantically scrabbling to escape from the twin cane-toads of wodders & wodger..?
..does the term..(for you far righties)..’hollow victory’ mean anything..
..and if you think clark rodgered the greens every which way..
..you ain’t seen nothing yet..
..wodger & wodders will be screaming in impotent rage..
..very soon..
..and as for me being right/wrong..dpf..?
..seeing as i have been right on so many things..global meltdown/obama..just to name two..
..it may be quicker for you to detail where i have been wrong..
..in all these years of being right..
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
..btw..if you recall..i also pointed out/told you what key was going to do to national..
ie..drag it back to the centre..
..and knacker/neuter the far-right..
..that all seems to be going to plan..eh..?
November 10th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
and wondering what to do..?
..you could always continue your program of yellow journalism/character assasination..
..(you and hooten could/should team up..)
ttp://whoar.co.nz/2008/the-untimelyunsightly-assasination-of-winston-peters/
(the lowest point in ‘new media’..to date..imho..
..and a glaring example of the uselessness/unquestioning pack-mentality of the mainstreanmmedia..
..there is a real stench around all of you..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
http://whoar.co.nz/2008/the-untimelyunsightly-assasination-of-winston-peters/
November 10th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Helmet –
After the specials come in it’s going to be 59 seats to the green/prog/lab/maori block playing 63 in the Act/UF/Nat block. It was a very close-run race, and the next election will likely go to the left block.
I did predict a left block victory, mainly to stir up the over-confident right wingers around here. The truth is, it ended up being much closer than many of the kiwiblog right were predicting.
oh, and as for you r following comment:
“The potential for a stable government to develop that includes input from every party except Labour and provides long term stability definitely exists.”
That’s completely and utterly out-the-arse. Both the Maori party and the Greens are far to the left of Labour, and given the chance, will support a Labour-led government over a National one any day.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Never mind all that rubbish Phool, have you dusted off the CV yet?
I love the idea of you working for the money I give you each week.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Philu, you were wrong in your post the day before the election where you claimed there would be a Labour led govt. Flat out wrong. Completely wrong. In every way. And we pointed out that you were in fairy land, and asked if you’d come here and admit you were wrong afterwards. You ducked and dove. And now we know why. Maybe we should start calling you Winston – you seem to have his ability to wriggle and worm your way out of the words you said.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Phil for someone who is right so often, why don’t you start making a few educated plays in markets (say FX) that reward such erudition?
You could then free yourself from the shackles of self imposed poverty and perhaps contribute back to a society that has given so generously to support your intellectual advancement.
Just an idea.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Anyone who thinks the Jews are running the world and that Key will be tacking his orders from them is someone we should not respond to in any way at all. Do not engage in debate with Jas. Ignore the little Nazi and he will most likely go away.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
That’s right folks – DPF is about to become the right’s Jordan Carter.
Ouch! How low can roger stoop?
Surely an insult that terrible deserves demerit points!
November 10th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
“..there is a real stench around all of you..”
That might be the alcohol that was drunk in large quantities by those of us celebrating the very real victory that you said repeatedly would not happen.
And while Key will do a deal with the MP (and rightly so) your claim that this “emasculates” the right is wrong. Key will be a moderately conservative centrist, which is a good thing, but both ACT and the MP have a surprisingly large amount in common, especially on welfare reform and educational choice, and this will give Key some room to enact right wing reforms that otherwise might have been more difficult to sell, especially with regards to welfare reform.
The Greens have been dealt a blow, and they should take the lesson and grow up. They need to shed the hardcore communists and liberal social engineers and re-create themselves as a true centre party willing and able to work with both major parties. If they do that they will have a future.
But I don’t think they will. They will spurn any offer from Key and once again render themselves powerless.
For myself this was certainly no “hollow victory”. I voted for a moderate centre-right government that will make gradual but real reforms and I got exactly what I wanted.
November 10th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
The more I think about it, the more bizarre Trotters ‘crisis of masculinity’ theme is.
New Zealanders have previously elected Helen Clark Prime Minister on three seperate ocasions. Perhaps Trotter has only just noticed that she is a woman, but I think most voters figured this out some time ago. It didn’t seem to bother them in 1999, 2002 and 2005 – blaming the defeat on sexism simply looks like a way to avoid facing up to reality.
November 10th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Am I being blocked?
November 10th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
“But Phil, tell us how you got it so wrong? You spent years telling us how you are always right”
Whoar NEVER gets it wrong. He “cooks” and “bakes” to perfection every time. His mind-numbing/addling goods are of the highest and purest quality
November 10th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
THANK YOU, OWEN MCSHANE, MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY:
Owen McShane (433) Vote: 8 1 Says:
November 10th, 2008 at 11:48 am
“I posted this earlier on BLue NZ but given PhilBest’s it seems I should re-post it here:
Lockwood Smith INCREASED his majority from 11,536 to 14,376 a 25% increase.
Maurice Williamson INCREASED his majority from 9,582 to 12,759, a 33% increase.
These are substantial gains which suggests the electorate was not at all upset by either of their comments which the media pounced on with such glee. Indeed these figures suggest they approved of them highly.
So what have they done wrong?
Maurice knows more about transport than anyone else in caucus and Lockwood Smith is one of the few scientists in there too.
So why should they be demoted?
If they are demoted these are victories to the Left and the left media in particular.
So why deliver both their heads on a plate?”
November 10th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
I suggest getting the username and password for the standard from the 9th Floor communications department and merging it with Kiwiblog.
November 10th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
lee i dont think jews are running the world and have never said so
please tell me how you came to this conclusion
or maybe your the nazi
November 10th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
same shit different asshole
November 10th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Lack of discipline & probably thinking they’re less expendable than they are.
November 10th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
jastowns said: lots of pointless shite
why are you here?
November 10th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Jesus, the left have been sucking on those lemons all weekend. Look all I can suggest is you take a “harden the fuck up” pill and deal with it. You get another crack in three years.
November 10th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
roger nome (3982) Vote: 0 0 Says:
“Am I being blocked?”
Does it feel like you are? maybe it’s just the election defeat? – see if you can identify the patches they are wearing woger the call the police
November 10th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
philu said: “..key will give the harridans in act the flick soon..”
Umm – considering your predictions so far have been 100% wrong, I would stop making them if I were you. It just makes you look like an idiot when the opposite comes true.
November 11th, 2008 at 2:51 am
“# big bruv
Phool, Sonic, Woger
Where are you????”
Probably rolling around on the floor after reading pushmejerkoffs comments
November 11th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
In neither of Trotter’s bizarre rants is their any real acknowledgment that Labour did anything wrong. Even when he says they made mistakes, his take on them was that the VRWC media misled the public and they weren’t really true mistakes at all.
I do want to thank him though. Both articles are a good reminder of the reasons the Clark regime had to go. Arrogant, self-righteous, hateful, utterly convinced of the rightness of nanny state, and totally out of touch with mainstream NZ.