And the results are …
I’m interested in three things:
- What will the turnout be
- Will Shearer’s majority be larger than Clark’s or not?
- Will Russel Norman manage to steal second?
Should have the advance votes soon for an indication.
Advance votes are in and Shearer has 1,435 and Lee has 456, In 2008 they were 1,388 and 791 so if turnout is the same that would project a 12,500 majority. But only two booths in so far.
Six booths in and Shearer has a 3:1 lead – as the polls predicted. He has a 1,558 majority so far and only 3,658 votes counted. He could well beat Clark’s majority.
Only five booths and specials to go and Shearer has 62% of the vote and a majority of 6,534 and growing. Whether he beats Clark depends on turnout.
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June 13th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Is this dead blogging?
June 13th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
I think if the Labour candidate was called Bo Wow Labour would still have won. – even if the candidate was a dog.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Dead?? Dunno, but the brains of Mount Albert voters give every indication of being in that state.
What a disgrace. Almost a whole electorate of bludgers, no hopers, tax thieves and other assorted socialist losers voting for a parachute candidate because he had a red rosette and because the Labour voting mainstream media scum gave him a free ride.
Democracy— pffft..
Not until we are rid of Labour’s mainstream media cronies.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
I wonder if Dakta Green of the ALCP will beat Judy Whatsihername from United? That’s the only race on tonight!
June 13th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Somewhere out there, Phil Twyford will be crying….
June 13th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Sushi, it’s 77 (Dakta) v 78 (Judy) at the moment.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
We also have the other god-botherer (from the Kiwi Party) on 76…go Dakta!
June 13th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Cmon Dakta! Bill and Ben are doing well to come fifth. I guess thats because other joke parties like the Progressives and NZ First aren’t in the race.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Probably why Churchill said what he said, RB. Got a better alternative?
Anyone got a link to the results?
June 13th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Just wait for phil gooof to steal the victory speech and declare a mandate has been given to take back the nation.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
You mean these?
Mt Albert By-Election Results
BAGNALL, Jim IND 22
BAKER, Ari IND 15
BOSCAWEN, John ACT 943
BOYCE, Ben B&B 151
DYER, Simonne KIWI 85
FRANCE, Malcolm PBP 13
GREEN, Dakta ALCP 85
KANE, Rusty PCP 5
LEE, Melissa NAT 3,426
NORMAN, Russel GP 2,418
PISTORIUS, Julian LIB 35
SHEARER, David LAB 12,613
TURNER, Judy UFNZ 82
VAN DEN HEUVEL, Anthony Joseph James HR 14
WOOD, Jackson James IND 9
Candidate Informals 76
TOTAL 19,992
Majority: 9,187
June 13th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Meh, this was decided as soon as National put the needs of greater auckland above those of mt albert. Hope some people remember this at the next gerneral election.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
cripes – kiwiparty and Legalise Cannabis run United into 8th place….
June 13th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Thanks GT.
So Lee came second?
Just what she wanted.
Poor widdle Wussell.
I’m so sad.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
“Got a better alternative?”
You don’t get it. I’m bemoaning its (democracy) loss.
For democracy to function, the people have to be informed.
As long as the Labour Party controls the TV One News and Current Affairs Dept, and most of the rest of NZ’s mainstream media is controlled by like thinking socialists, it won’t happen.
The media’s assaults on Melissa Lee were an atrocious abuse of the democratic process.
We need a media free of the control of the left, and a National party prepared to challenge socialism rather than pander to it, and then things might change.
(Not to say that Lee was not a weak candidate. Like most Nats, completely confused about what she stands for.)
June 13th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Of course you mean “Purported to put the needs, etc”
Jury’s not even sitting yet, don’t forget.
Failure is not an option.
Looking forward to the Nats and Rodney proving that.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Lee: 17.1% – 3,426. Ravi Musuku got 9,806 just 7 months ago.
Wow.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Yeah, actually, I do get it RB. In fact I’d suggest I notice it at least as much as you do, if not more, esp in the international press.
Difference is, I don’t bother to bemoan it at every turn because it’s pointless to do so.
Excellent observation, jarbury. So your conclusion is?
June 13th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
John Key made a stupid decision going with Melissa Lee instead of Ravi Musuku.
June 13th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
I agree.
Why did he do that?
June 13th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
“John Key made a stupid decision going with Melissa Lee instead of Ravi Musuku.”
What baseless and pointless crap. Melissa Lee was assassinated by the Left wing media while as usual policy was hardly discussed.
As happens at almost every election, the principle National candidate is besieged by false Labour party-Mainstream Media slanders and personal attacks, while the issues are virtually ignored.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Bye bye Melissa Lee’s politcal career… too bad… she was entertaining
June 13th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Look, this is an opportunity for all of us politicos, unencumbered by partisan bias, to pick over the judgement calls made by our new PM.
So, given all the facts available to the players at the time, why was Lee thought to be the superior candidate over Musuku?
June 13th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Not a good turnout. In 2008 there were 33,997 votes. This by-election was 19,992 votes.
Candidate results from 2008:
Labour Helen Clark 20,157 (59%)
National Ravi Masuku 9,806 (28%)
Green John Carapiet 2,019 (6%)
Act Kathleen McCabe 1,392 (5%)
Percentages in 2009 By-election:
Labour David Shearer 12,613 63%
National Melissa Lee 3426 17%
Green Russel Norman 2418 12%
Act John Boscowen 943 4.7%
Shearer has increased the Labour vote percentage wise.
Not hard to do when you cheat and have the media machine behind you.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Correction- “principal” National Party candidate.
…and it wouldn’t have mattered if it was Ravi or anyone. Labour’s media agents would have assassinated them in exactly the same way they assassinated Melissa Lee.
They’ll all get together (so called journalists and Labour) and celebrate their victory tonight.
You can bet on it.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Does anyone have a timeline of the undecided vote % leading up to today?
June 13th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
How will National/Act & DPF spin this I wonder?
Sympathy vote for Helen?
MSM backlash conspiracy?
Goff’s smearing of Worth?
Recession blues?
Such small turn out it’s not representative?
Government policies for Auckland, and for the rest of us, suck.
Thank you Mt Albert.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
So much for the bullshit and bluster we have been hearing from the Watermelons, it seems that with the retirement of Fitzsimons the Greens days are numbered.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Remember DPF predicting 250 Nat win to 3000 Labour win as the spread:- http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/05/the_numbers_in_mt_albert.html And I thought he was being generous to Labour at the time. Round then iPredict had less than 1% between Lee and Labour. No doubt there will be lots of analysis and blame will be shared around – Lee, Key and Labour activists will get plenty. I’m going to be really interested in the post election focus groups views on the budget. I think it is a slow burner and Nats are getting hit from both sides by it.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Trev, you mis-spelt your own party’s name.
It’s Liarbore, Trev.
Liarbore.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
“unencumbered by partisan bias”
WTF does that mean? I’m biased. I admit it. Why the hell wouldn’t I???
I reckon Lee was selected because the National Party see her as an upcoming star who needed blooding. There was never any real expectation that she would win.
The shame is that the Nats see someone like Lee as a potential star, when, as far as I know, all she has ever done was run a TV production “company” kept afloat by government grants. Her so called business was fed by a cronyist agency that picks favourites and supports them with taxpayer handouts. Just another socialist with no real idea.
That the Nats see her as having potential is a demonstration of why NZ is a long long way from ever regaining the prosperity it once enjoyed.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
But Trevor, NZ would never believe a word you say any way you put it. Your crowing is a lot quieter because as far as I recall, you’re in opposition and will never be a Govt minister again.
Now go enjoy a few Heinekens.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
And one more thing, if Labour were so confident of winning this, why were you flying in activists from Dunedin??
June 13th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Coolas, there is no way to spin it. It’s a safe Labour seat and has been for 70 years.
Why else do you think Labour had 15 trough-snufflers lining up for the nomination.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Trev
Nobody cares what you think, the nation have turned against you and your corrupt party.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
The results of this by-election completely agree with you BB
June 13th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
This result does throw light on Key’s judgement.
Lee did not do well. Significantly worse than Masuku could have been expected to do based on past performance.
Lee and the Nat organisation should have fully anticipated the media spin thrown at her.
And this could have been anticipated at the time it was decided to ditch Masuku and launch Lee.
So why did Key do it?
BTW, I’m asking this in order that Key learns. He’s a quick study, as we know. He’s not arrogant, as we know. Therefore, if we bring something significant out tonight, perhaps in future he’ll play it differently, if it happens again.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
The biggest winner today has been KFC
June 13th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
“BTW, I’m asking this in order that Key learns.”
I doubt it. The Nats have never learnt. Its not as if the same thing hasn’t happened in almost every other election.
They need to put a strategy in place to take on Labour’s media’s cronies, but they’re apparently too friggin helpless. Or gutless. Or thick. Or something.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
trev… i like that you comment here. but sometimes you should just shut the hell up.
you realise National are still polling around 50%, or is it another rogue poll?
Labour retained a labour seat. big woop.
now get back to working on your next “neutron bomb”
actually, shouldnt you be more worried about the All Blacks just losing? being the rugby world cup minister and all that…. oh, thats right hehe
June 13th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
well now that’s over bring in the bulldozers for a 6 lane motorway straight through the middle. (Fuck any tunnel)
it appears only 2,418 were against any motorway link anyway.
Jarbury – Russel must be embarrassed that he got such a low vote against what you guys described as a fool. FFS what a shameful result for a party leader
June 13th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Sounds like Shearer now wants Phils job.
From Stuff:
“”New Mt Albert MP David Shearer has wasted no time in sending a clear message to his party that it must move with the times, generate new ideas, recruit fresh talent, take risks and listen to New Zealanders”"
Watch out Phil In, there is a brand new BBQ being set up right now in Mt Albert
June 13th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Look how low Labour have sink that they are all excited and happy about winning a by-election in a seat they have always held. What makes it worse for them is that they needed to fly in activists from all over the country to make sure it happened. This is not the Labour Party I remember, but I think it’s fucking hilarious.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
It will be hard for anyone to spin this as a signal or mandate for anything. Not with a drop from 34k in the general election to 20k votes in the by-election. The only signal it sends is that far less of the electorate voters could actually be bothered. No wonder Labour won, they were probably the only party with taxi’s to take the Chinese to the polls…
June 13th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
John Boscowan got 4.7% of the vote. Not bad for a Labour stronghold.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Trevor, I think National’s strategic mistake was to not sell Mel as the best MP for Mt Albert *constituents*. Now, this was always a Labour safe seat, but given the choice between a keen hard working MP and someone who can now phone it in until he retires, I think the voters would have had a hard think about that. Oh well.
June 13th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
BR – wonder how much of that was a little swing away from National because of Melissa’s campaign?
June 13th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Where was John Key supporting his (personally chosen) candidate tonight?
June 13th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
are you at the wake..?..dpf..?
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June 13th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
There seems to be no consolation whatsoever in the result for National
, apart from not slipping into third place. However: it will still be a long path back for Labour (there were two lost elections between their morale boost in the Mangere by-election and winning nationwide in 1984) Also Melissa Lee seems safe as a list MP until the next election and beyond (but she should forget another try at a constituency).
… and even though I have not voted Labour for well over two decades, and for good reason, I will have to admit that if National had to stumble badly and hand the Labour candidate a huge majority, it could have been for the benefit of a much worse candidate than David Shearer.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Sorry guys, it’s not the’80s anymore. Reaganism and Thatcherism are dead. Last years US election showed that. Nobody wants their communities stripped of services any more, even the right wing European parties are admitting that now. Siding with ACT and Hide is a one way ticket to oblivion, six thousand less national voters than last time is testament to that.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Phil in Goff and all his media minions are getting a bit carried away with it’s a great victory for labour.
A bye election is an excuse to hate the government . If it was a hard core National seat Phil in Goff would have something to crow about. But it is only a Rose red Labour seat with a very low voter turn out.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Could this video possibly be the most cringe-inducing moment in the history of New Zealand television?
June 13th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
MT ALBERT TURNS RIGHT
David Shearer was tonight elected to Parliament as expected. This election is seen as a significant move to the right of politics by this electorate. Shearer who said little during the campaign but did try and smile a lot is well known for his views on having the privte sector involved in traditional government activities particularly defence.
National was disappointed at not doing better in the seat and will be evaluating the decisions made. Prime Minister John Key is keen to continue his bi-partisan relationships by having Shearer involved in developing some of his significant ideas that to date Shearer has only been able to evolve in the academic sphere. Shearer also has practical knowledge of private sector operations in Iraq that he can draw on. Key will provide Shearer with resources to allow him to further develop his privatisation theories.
It is rumoured that the Labour senior bench has been meeting to try and put together a defence to this move to the right. A leadership change is seen as eminent.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
“Could this video possibly be the most cringe-inducing moment in the history of New Zealand television”
No quite the contrary – I thought it was a gutsy effort – obviously emotional for her – she took the responsibility and thanked those who helped and congratulated David Shearer. That showed gumption and a bit more integrity than many had ever showed her.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
“MT ALBERT TURNS RIGHT
David Shearer was tonight elected to Parliament as expected. This election is seen as a significant move to the right of politics by this electorate.”
I realise that this comment is probably meant to be satirical, but in fact it cuts very close to the truth – the contest in this by-election was between two right-wing politicians as there were no fundamental ideological differences separating Shearer and Lee. The only point of difference was that whereas one was a moderately competent party apparatchnik, the other was manifestly incompetent and out of her depth
June 13th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
However I think that Coleman should have taken some of that heat as well – he is a smug prat
June 13th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Why, FP?
June 13th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Who was the spineless amoeba who took the mike after Melissa Lee?
Absolutely cowed by the media.
Hopeless.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
From the general election to the by-election (from Rachael’s post above)
Overall voter turnout dropped 41%
Labour turnout dropped 37%
National turnout dropped 65%
Green turnout gained 20%
ACT turnout dropped 32%
It would be interesting to know how this by-election compares to other by-elections in terms of drop in voter numbers relative to general elections. Certainly not a stunning result for Labour, and it appears that the turnout suggests that voters know that the by-election result isn’t going to really matter, otherwise they would have turned out in greater numbers.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
It would be interesting to do some comparisons with the 2008 general election, but all the results (other than the Mt Albert by-election) seem to have disappeared from the election results website.
June 13th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
@reid, I don’t have any affinity with any of the parties contesting this by-election so therefore have no particular reason to delight in Lee’s defeat, but her speech was truly…painful…to watch
June 13th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
At least Melissa Lee had the guts to acknowle her errors. Have a listen to this defeated candidate for any personal responsibility for an election defeat…………….not a bit – everyone else’s fault
http://www.3news.co.nz/Video/Politics/tabid/370/articleID/79021/cat/67/Default.aspx#video
June 13th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
TV3 say Goff is secure which may have been the idea all along.
They have hinted that Shearer would make a good leader for Labour – could be fun seeing the two buddies fight it out. The problem with that though is that he has been so stage managed that I don’t think he could utter a word without having someone whispering talking points in his ear. Also, he is from the same generation as Goff, but a least he has not been on the state payroll all his life.
FP, Melissa is obviously shattered after what she has been through. You could tell she was trying to stop herself from crying.
Everyone (ie: the media) should just leave her alone now.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Dear wingnuts
You just had your asses kicked real good. Six weeks ago the nats thought it could win the seat. It put up one of its ethnic superstars hand chosen by Key.
Its campaign and popularity then started to implode.
Labour’s on the ground effort would have you guys reeling today. Most doors were knocked on three times and the phone banking was impressive. Most of the voting data was imputed. In comparison the nats had problems filling the booths with scrutineers. You think that your party has the most members? You better start counting activists.
Sure the turnout was down, it always is in byelections. But those proportions are really impressive, especially since many good labour supporters would have thought that it was in the bag and stayed at home.
And Key did not front. How poor is that? At least Lee had the guts to front and concede. Her political career unfortunately has as much future as Richard Worth’s has.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Congratulations David Shearer. A great result for him and for Labour. A big win.
I have one big question, where was John Key?
Good on Lee for heading over to Labour HQ and congratulating Shearer, showed some guts, unlike the rest of the National Party Caucus tonight (apart from Coleman and Wong maybe). Where was the support for Lee? Where was the respect for Aucklanders from this government?
June 13th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Micky, at least National has some ethnic superstars. Your lot keep putting up rich white people in the electorate.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Rachael Rich -
Rich White People??? What are you talking about???
And have you had a look at the National Party Caucus recently?
June 13th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Dear Rachael
Labour has always had the most diverse caucus out of all of the parties.
Shearer is not rich. Most Labour MPs aren’t.
And Shearer did not cheat. Say where. Nor did he have the media behind him. Lee may have been given a hard time but this was because she kept putting her foot in her mouth.
Sour grapes?
June 13th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
In reply to mickysavage
“You just had your asses kicked real good. Six weeks ago the nats thought it could win the seat. It put up one of its ethnic superstars hand chosen by Key.” ~ No, national and its supporters did not expect to win six weeks ago. Its a safe labour seat.
And ethnic superstars? That’s low. If a right winger said something to that effect the left would be raining down insults of right wing bigotry and what not. So what do I say? typical left wing hypocrisy.
“Its campaign and popularity then started to implode.” ~~ I really don’t think so, national is still as a whole popular despite what has been happening these past few weeks. Sure the by-election wasn’t a great result for national, but to interpret it as anything of major consequence is folly.
You are delusional. Have a nice morning in loony land.
[Edit: I thought all MPs were rich by the standards of the left, thats why they ought to be taxed so much? So really aren't all labour MPs rich?]
June 13th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
after Lee’s abysmal performance i’m sure John Key wasn’t keen to stick around
June 13th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
wait, shouldnt DPF be happy with the result? I remember the numerous posts of rubbing hands with glee that Shearer was some sort of right wing mole in the Labour party.
Poppin champas right now then ?
June 13th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Trevor,how does it feel at night knowing that you are a liar to the truth and a prostitute to the public purse.
Have some balls, get a job where you are accountable,where you HAVE to perform.
You havent got the guts,never had.
Always leaving for the easy option, walking out on the past,to run with the next tram that has freebees and more of the same bawbells and a trough to snuffle in.
I think my son has learnt plenty from you,hes 16 and always says”when I get to his age I hope Im better than that”
Have a nice night,knowing that tomorrow as you carry on, the future for you is what you have made it,a sad attempt at being something your not ,a PUBLIC SERVANT.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
True Chris – DPF is celebrating the result. It means Goofy stays as leader and now with Shearer on board the Labour party starts drifting right.
The only option for the left will then be to break off and create a new labour movement.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Before any Labourgs get too worn out from all the excitement of holding a Labour electorate (an accomplishment in itself), they should look at the little table on the front page: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/curiappa.jpg.
Oh, and at this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/NZ_2008_election_night_map.png.
Also, as I bawwwwwwwwwed about on whaleoil, as Nat turnout decreased 65% but Greens increased 20%, it’s absolutely laughable that their candidate – a party leader – was knocked into a pathetic third. Will the media now stop going to them for comment every second day? It’s obvious that they’re politically dead.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Although Melissa Lee will be the obvious scapegoat, where are three architects of tonight’s result- Worth, Joyce and Hide? Whilst worth can’t damage the brand anymore, the other two will still be around to finish the job of stabbing Aucklanders in the back- then to turn to the rest of NZ.
June 13th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Rachael Rich –
Nice fantasy you’ve got going on there. Wrong and Wrong. Sorry.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:01 am
It is a shame that some pick a line and continuously run it, even though they know that it is not true.
This line about Shearer being a right winger is one such lie. He has been a humanitarian for much of his life. This line about him being right wing is a load of bollocks.
Not that this will stop Rachel and others from running with it.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:03 am
Some light reading……..
“Labour Romps Home In Mt. Albert”
http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/labour-romps-home-in-mt-albert-2782579
“Shearer Has ‘Big Shoes’ to Fill in Mt. Albert”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10578240
“Shearer Takes Victory”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2498532/Labour-candidate-wins-Mt-Albert-seat
“Labour’s David Shearer Wins Mt. Albert By-Election”
http://www.3news.co.nz/News/PoliticalNews/Labours-David-Shearer-wins-Mt-Albert-by-election/tabid/419/articleID/108484/cat/68/Default.aspx
June 14th, 2009 at 12:12 am
bchapman: how is Hide stabbing Aucklanders in the back? I don’t see any evidence that a super city will somehow “subvert democracy”, and councils will still be runnign core services like LIBRARIES and GARBAGE and w/e. This privatisation bogey is just that – a fanciful bogey used by left wing scaremongering.
To mickysavage: I see you are going to avoid my previous tearing into your delusions
June 14th, 2009 at 12:25 am
Shearer made the issue of the campaign about communities. For the community of Waterview he promised to oppose the motorway; for the community of St Lukes he promised to oppose the expansion of the shopping mall; and for the community of Balmoral he promised to oppose the building of a McDonald’s restaurant. On that basis he gets elected with a massive majority and the media are now talking about him as a future leader of the Labour Party.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:34 am
I think people are forgetting what the true result is for us all. But let me explain to Mickeysavage, Sonic, bchapman etc etc…all you boring lefties. The big result is that Mt Albert is:
1) Always been Labour
2) Had Helen as their last MP who was the PM for 9 long (painful) years
3) Labour activists were flown in from all corners of NZ to help win the campaign
4) Despite Shearer winning by a healthy margin, Labour activists were not 100% sure of this hence #3
and 5) That the left are crowing like this was a big deal and some sort of swing against the National Party!
Fucking brilliant! How many bottles of ceremonial cava did you guys have when the predicted results come in?
This byelection is as significant as if Kim Jong Il stood aside in Pyongyang and a byelection would put his favourite son in first place.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:42 am
True Lieutenant Cameron – all through Pagani mind control. Was a good campaign though and what else is an electorate about other than the local community.
People need to realise this was a community election – not a national one. All the onanists at the Standard think this result has won them the next election.
What do all of these community issues have in common though? The Resource Management Act! Good luck to David trying to get around the RMA on these issues. The Goverment, Westfield and McDonalds have a lot of money behind them to fight the community on this.
Unless the plans for all of these are outside the district plan then he has been putting false hope in to his community.
June 14th, 2009 at 12:51 am
Lee is a political lightweight who only got into Parliament for ethnic window-dressing – Like Ashraf Choudry in labour. And she’s just as useful as he is. The Old National candidate must be spitting tacks
June 14th, 2009 at 1:14 am
And then Mt Albert is turned into a motorways and strip malls, the local labour voters wonder where it all went wrong.
June 14th, 2009 at 3:33 am
Redbaiter suggests:
I always understood that to count as an assasination, the bullets had to be fired by someone other than the victim. I think the word you’re looking for to describe Melissa Lee is asinine.
Now on that point, we’re in complete agreement. And even in that “career” she was, as Mike S mentions above, “ethnic window dressing”: “Look, we don’t just fund crap, we fund multicultural crap”.
If anyone similarly mediocre had produced material as banal, even the dahhhhlings at the funding agencies would’ve called it for what it was.
June 14th, 2009 at 4:08 am
I wonder if it pisses off Trevor Mallard when the media starts talking about the newbie David Shearer as being a candidate for Goff’s replacement.
Trev’s never been seen as a serious contender, despite his faithful (and kind of pathetic) unwavering support for his leaders. He obviously wants it so bad that he’s prepared to put it all on the line to defend the party, but every time his credibility takes a hit. Everyone’s looking past him at people with actual brains and talent.
Poor old cinderella Trev.
June 14th, 2009 at 4:18 am
…dickhead Mt Albert voters…giving Laybore the thumbs up for 9 years of corruption , theft and dishonesty…and fuck you Mallard…
June 14th, 2009 at 4:31 am
“But Trevor, NZ would never believe a word you say any way you put it. Your crowing is a lot quieter because as far as I recall, you’re in opposition and will never be a Govt minister again.
Now go enjoy a few Heinekens”
..and how about , for the first time in your narrow little life , paying for them outa your own pocket…
June 14th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Right down to business David. How’s that twin tunnel thingy coming along?
June 14th, 2009 at 8:33 am
My take on it – http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/2009/06/double-victory-for-labour.html – With thanks David
Lee – MWT
June 14th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Labour’s victory in Mt Albert was on the same level as the All Blacks beating Fiji. However, the left are celebrating as if it was winning the World Cup. How sad.
June 14th, 2009 at 9:25 am
mickysavage raves about Labour’s on-the-ground team. Perhaps he would like to comment on Audrey Young’s suggestion the large numbers of Young Labour from Wellington have been trucked in to help. It’s easy to do that for a by-election where everything is so narrowly focused. And perhaps Andrew Ltlle might wish to comment on who picked up the tab for this, and for people such as Jenny Michie, brought in to run the War Office, given that Labour is reportedly broke. The EPMU perchance? Ah, the joys of having two hats to wear
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-labour-won.html
June 14th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Surely Shearer advocating the use of private military forces in peacekeeping – not really ‘defence’ is it – doesn’t make him right wing. Has he commented on the use of the private sector in ANY other areas?
June 14th, 2009 at 10:10 am
I2
There may have been 5 LabourYouth from Wellington and there were probably 500 helping on the day. Nice attempt but no cigar.
At the recent LabourYouth conference there were over 70 that attended. Princes Street has trebled its membership this year. These are smart savy committed lefties. National has nothing to compare with this.
The right ought to be very afraid.
So where was the vaunted National machine? All I saw was a clapped out rusted old banger missing a few critical parts.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:16 am
“smart savvy committed lefties”
LOL.
Correct though, National doesn’t have anything to compare to them, thank fuck.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:17 am
So Audrey Young’s lying is she?
“Young Labour are here in force. Wellington Young Labour, for example, had about 18 people up here in the last few days. They have been coming up every weekend for the past six weeks.”
Or is someone else being economic with the truth? I wonder who?
June 14th, 2009 at 10:25 am
LOL – I was about to quote the same clip IV2
I guess mickey’s nose is hitting the keyboard before his fingers
June 14th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Lmao Micky, you remind me of that old time war propaganda showing a wrecked bomber in a field near the capital, never mind the thousands flying overhead.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Get this
If you want any clearer indication of left wing media bias regarding this campaign, here is an straight up offering from none other than David Shearer on TVNZ7 News Now at 10am
Sonia Voight: Did Melissa’s campaign go from blunder to blunder?
David Shearer: No, I was at a lot of campaign meetings with Melissa and she made alot of good points that were totally ignored
Not word for word but almost
June 14th, 2009 at 10:34 am
I2
Two weeks ago there were 3 of them, I cannot recall seeing any before that time.
There may have been more than 5, I am not sure but I do not think there were 18. Even if there was this is about 4% of the election day workers.
Any comment on the National machine condition?
You guys have this very predictable line, when something goes wrong find something to attack, get a dispute and then rant and rave that they are wrong. So there may have been between 5 and 18 Wellington Young Labour there, there was some help, I am certain not as much as Audrey says. But the overwhelming thought that comes to my mind
is
SO WHAT?
Helmet
“Correct though, National doesn’t have anything to compare to them, thank fuck.”
I agree entirely. This is why Labour is back on the road and this Key Government is looking more and more like a one term Crosby Textor wonder.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Melissa Lee tells members of the Unite Union, “I think I am currently on $2 on hour.” How does the media report that? TVNZ tells us it is one of, “a series of, gaffes and ill-judged comments which virtually eliminated any chance she had of taking the seat…” TVNZ is doing the thinking for its viewers. If it wouldn’t have been for this poisonous slant, viewers would have seen the comment for what it really was – Lee just having the audience on.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:40 am
I2 and Patrick Starr
Thinking about it more I thought there were about 20 to 30 Young Labour/Princes Street involved and over the past 6 weeks up to 10 of them have been involved each weekend. Audrey may have been referring to this and saying that they were all Young Labour.
In ant event before you accuse me of lying do you have any proof yourself?
I thought the left wing dominated Herald (LOL) could not be trusted.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:42 am
mickey – that is not what Audrey says is it?
Nice attempt but no cigar
June 14th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Helmet- “Correct though, National doesn’t have anything to compare to them, thank fuck.”
Mickey Saveloy- “I agree entirely. This is why Labour is back on the road”.
You missed Helmet’s point completely. These indoctrinated power obsessed state worshipping little drones are puke inducing scum. The modern day manifestation of the Hitler Jugen. Nauseating.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:44 am
20 demerits for comparing Labour party members with NAZIs.
Well, would be, IF there was any consistency here.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:50 am
A personality cult has nothing to do with the similaritys of the NSP to the Labour party BB.
June 14th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Lieutenant Cameron – I could be Melissa Lee probably set something of a record with the MSM. A quick google search will show you the attack headlines she attracted for some of her more unfortunate campaign moments are exceeding 500 MSM articles
June 14th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Mickey, if the tide has turned and people are so over National, why did Labour have to invest so much time and money into retaining one of the safest Labour seats from a novice like Melissa Lee?
Doesn’t make sense.
I don’t know if comparing the campaigns really says much about the state of the parties. I don’t think national cared as much, that’s all.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:02 am
“Attack headlines” or reporting the news? Did Lee fuck up, or was it all just an invention of the media that hates National so much? No, Lee fucked up, all by her little self.
No need to invent headlines when Lee so readilly provided them?
Or do you think that the media should ignore the truth and just run with National spin?
June 14th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Maybe somewhere in between behaving like total Labour party sycophants and running complete national party spin would have been good? Just sayin…
Why is it always a choice between two extremes with you Billy?
June 14th, 2009 at 11:13 am
“or reporting the news? Did Lee fuck up,”
reporting the news is one thing (and yes it probably rated a mention) but they more than report the news didnt they borker – as Lieutenant Cameron @10.37 points out
“TVNZ is doing the thinking for its viewers. If it wouldn’t have been for this poisonous slant, viewers would have seen the comment for what it really was – Lee just having the audience on”
besides – over 500 headlines is a little over the top dont you think?
……..and Borker has the cheek to complain “Well, would be, IF there was any consistency here.”
June 14th, 2009 at 11:15 am
“..If it wouldn’t have been for this poisonous slant, viewers would have seen the comment for what it really was – Lee just having the audience on…”
oh..!..ha ha..!
..hilariously funny to family breadwinners on $12.50 hr..eh..?
and i was there..
lees’ other offering at that meeting..
..was saying that ‘no..she dosen’t support the minimum wage being raised to $15..
..’cos’..’why stop there..?..let’s all work together..and make it $17 ..or even higher..!’
now..this..in anyones’ books..is la-la-land material..
(btw..each candidate was asked if they could live on $12.50 an hour..?
..they all admitted that ‘no’.they couldn’t.
..but lee and boscowan were the ones who ..when challenged..refused to sign the petition to raise the minimum wage to $15 hr..
says it all really..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 14th, 2009 at 11:15 am
tknorriss :
“Labour’s victory in Mt Albert was on the same level as the All Blacks beating Fiji”
So National is like Fiji?
Bad comparison!
June 14th, 2009 at 11:16 am
simple solution Philu – get a fucken job
June 14th, 2009 at 11:28 am
micky – if you took the time to read my post properly, it said
“So Audrey Young’s lying is she?
“Young Labour are here in force. Wellington Young Labour, for example, had about 18 people up here in the last few days. They have been coming up every weekend for the past six weeks.”
Or is someone else being economic with the truth? I wonder who?”
Did I directly accuse you of lying? Perhaps you could take some sort of inference from the last line; then again, if the cap fits….
June 14th, 2009 at 11:29 am
I am writing a handbook on wingnut blogging techniques and one of them is a technique that I call “obsess and spew bile”. The characteristics of this technique are as follows:
1. Face a deeply troubling fact such as the humiliation that National faced in Mt Albert or over the Worth disclosures.
2. Seize on an incidental matter such as whether 5 or 18 YoungLabour Wellington activists helped out yesterday or whether Neelam Choudrey’s received totally inappropriate advances from a minister or alternatively she was the subject of sexual harassment.
3. Jump up and down about it as if 1 is right no matter what and 2 is totally totally wrong even though you have no personal knowledge whatsoever which is true.
4. Hope to cloud the big issue by the lighting of these diversionary bushfires.
The one bit that they miss from the handbook is as follows:
5. The public really do not like it and it puts them off the right wing parties.
Keep it up boys!
June 14th, 2009 at 11:35 am
micky – if you find Kiwiblog such an uninspiring and wingnut-inhabited place, why do you keep coming back and getting your butt kicked from pillar to post?
Wouldn’t it be better to do both you and DPF’s readers a favour and just piss off back to the echo-chamber?
June 14th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Helmet
“… if the tide has turned and people are so over National, why did Labour have to invest so much time and money into retaining one of the safest Labour seats from a novice like Melissa Lee?
Doesn’t make sense.”
It actually makes perfect sense. The headline is Lee and National crushed in by election. You have no idea how this has helped morale not only in Mt Albert but South Auckland and West Auckland and the Auckland area as a whole.
They could have least put in an effort or is this the best they can do? As it was the nats turnout was poor and their organisation looked second rate. No one seems to be disagreeing with me about this.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Redbaiter
“Helmet- “Correct though, National doesn’t have anything to compare to them, thank fuck.”
Mickey Saveloy- “I agree entirely. This is why Labour is back on the road”.
You missed Helmet’s point completely. These indoctrinated power obsessed state worshipping little drones are puke inducing scum. The modern day manifestation of the Hitler Jugen. Nauseating.”
Thanks Red for this comment. I am going to send it round Labour Youth to show them how important it is for them to stay politically active so that the likes of you do not control things.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:51 am
That’s right mickey – the tide has really turned hasn’t it. Labour held on to one of its safest seats in a by-election
LMFAO
June 14th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Indeed Patrick – and who’ll be filing onto the Government benches when the House resumes on Tuesday? Hint – it won’t be micky’s mates
June 14th, 2009 at 11:56 am
mickysavage said “It actually makes perfect sense. The headline is Lee and National crushed in by election. You have no idea how this has helped morale not only in Mt Albert but South Auckland and West Auckland and the Auckland area as a whole.”
I’m sure it has micky – especially in those safe Labour seats like Waitakere, Maungakiekie and Auckland Central that went blue just a few months ago – just in case you’d forgotten
June 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
yes inventory..
they went blue because they were promised tax cuts..
..and..a ‘closing of the wage gap with australia..’..
..and no gutting of government depts..
..and sooo much more..
..remember those hollow-promises..?
..that have all been broken..?
..you nattys will be ill-served to think a continuing disgruntlement at labour…
..is an endorsement of you..
..and your/that litany of broken hollow-promises..
..key/english are doing everyhing to ensure a one-term prime-ministership/national party administration….
..(which of course..would fit in with englishs’ long-term interests/ambitions..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 14th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
…..until the real prefu
…..eh?
June 14th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
…philu talks about breadwinning…
…lol…
..eh?
..has he ever “won” bread in his life..
..eh!?
phil(www.workandincome.govt.nz)
June 14th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
But WHERE was Key? WHY didn’t he front up and show support for his hand-picked candidate? In my book, his behaviour is gutless.
June 14th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
@philu: Do you know what happens if you raise the minimum wage in a recession?
unemployment++
June 14th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Let’s get building that motorway. Let us not forget Eden Park as well.
Crank up those bulldozers.
As for the sheeples of Mt Albert, Fuck’em!!
June 14th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
paradigm..
..all that money goes straight back into the economy..
‘stimulus’..
.doh..!
(cf..massive long recession after shipley/richardson gutted welfare payments in ’90..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 14th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
LOL philu’s solution to recession is to further reduce employment (and thus slash production) and counter this by increasing unemployment benefits as “stimulus”. What singular genius.
June 14th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
paradigm..are you a total economic-illiterate..
the imf criticised nz for not doing enough to stimulate the economy..
..and that a way to do that is to increase welfare payments/minimum wage..
..for the simple reason ..again..(you seem to be a bit slow/unable to grasp this..?..)
..that any such increase for the worst off..is fed straight back into the economy..on goods/services/living..
..and thus ‘stimulates’ the economy..
(got that..?..)
..and the final proof of this maxim..
..is that the april tax cuts…for the rich/middle class..
..did s.f.a. to stimulate the economy/retail sales..’cos those people did not feed that money back into the supermarkets..etc..
..they stuck it in their pockets..
..(with me so far..?..if not..get an adult to explain..eh..?)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 14th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
If increasing welfare is the answer,
we may as well close down all production
and pay everyone to do nothing
or let’s just make the minimum wage $50 per hour, regardless of skill.
It would be all so easy in Phil’s world.
June 14th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
bwalkie..i am talking economics 101 here..
..real basic crap eh..?
and ..no..it is not ‘the answer’..
..but it is one of clutch of ‘answers’..
do you not ‘get it’ either..?
that that money..feeds…straight..back..into..the ..economy..
..so..if..you..want..to..’stimulate’..?
(was that slow enough for you..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 14th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
There would be no bloody need to s t i m u l a t e if all able body people had to produce something of value to survive.
Instead of stealing from the production of others.
June 14th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Phool, where did you do your Economics 101. At Disneyland!
Where do you think welfare money comes from? The taxpayer.
In a recession, people spend less hence tax receipts are down for the government and sales receipts are down for employers.
Now you want to have the government spend more for those on welfare and have struggling employers spend more on wages for employees providing goods and services which no longer have demand. Where is this extra funding for government and employer coming from apart from borrowing?
Just because people have more money does not mean it is going to circulate around the ecomony in your Disneyland fashion.
Most of the stimulus in Australia went on the pokies. How stimulating is that!!
June 14th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Philu, please don’t use the term illiterate until you learn how to use the full stop correctly and capitalise the first letter of your sentences.
You say we should raise the minimum wage. I point out how this will, in the short term, negatively impact on production. You say the higher wages will be stimulatory. But higher wages plus reduced production in the short term is nothing more than inflationary. If you want to stimulate the economy, a better way is by comissioning infrastructure projects like roads. Doing so actually leaves you with a long term benefit as well as the short term providing of jobs. It also avoids handicapping the production sector. Small wonder this is what national has decided to do. Eh?
June 14th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
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June 14th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
There would be no bloody need to s t i m u l a t e if all able body people had to produce something of value to survive.
Instead of stealing from the production of others.
There would be a lot of angry business owners, angry at actually having to do something, get their hands dirty, rather than sit back all day telling all their friends how important they are.
June 14th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
So, judging by the response to comments that don’t lay the blame for Melissa Lee’s amateurish performance squarely at the feet of those communist running dogs of the press, the majority seem to think she put in a sterling performance worthy of being elected. If this is now the acceptable standard for National candidates then the party is on its way to becoming the New McGillicuddies.
You don’t “have the audience on” with a feeble joke – especially not one reliant on garnering sympathy for your $130,000+ salary – when you know the atmosphere is already hostile. You rehearse your “off the cuff” remarks so you don’t accuse an entire region of being criminals. You make sure you have firm answers to local issues, and you know what those issues are…
And, knowing this isn’t a general election where your gaffes will possibly pass unnoticed by the national media, if you’re not up to it you stand aside for someone who is, for the greater good of the party. Especially if you’re already in Parliament by virtue of the need to parade a list of ethnic names.
Quoting the victor (Shearer) being magnanimous about the defeated (Lee) is a red herring. What else is he going to say when the camera’s on him? “I didn’t have to fight to win for Labour, I just let her go out and lose for National”?.
I’m not certain who among the many intelligent and adept National activists might have wanted to jump-start their Parliamentary careers by having a go at this seat, and who were told to stand aside so National could showcase her “talent”, but even perennial candidate Ravi gained more votes than she managed each time he stood.
Lee’s reach vastly exceeded her grasp, and National has taken a hit because of it. If that can’t be admitted, it does not bode well for future candidate selections.
June 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
There would be a lot of angry business owners, angry at actually having to do something, get their hands dirty, rather than sit back all day telling all their friends how important they are.
Racer’
That would rate as the most pathetic comment I have ever seen on kiwiblog.
Business owners become business owners by getting off their arses and creating something that has value.
It takes years of risk to create a successful business and to have their efforts denigrated by a little tosser like you is pathetic.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
so paradigm..
you think a $12.50 minimum wage here..vs $17 in australia..
..is about right..
..eh..?
(and..whatever happened to those repeated vows from ‘honest john’..
..’to close the wage gap with australia..’
..hmm..?..)
and you seriously can’t understand how that money would flow staight to retailers/service providors..
..and thus stimulate..?
(are you a libertarian .. by any chance..?..of so..you are excused..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 14th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Philu, you do not increase wages by legislation. You do it by increasing productivity. Though I can understand your lack of understanding with the term productivity. Eh?
If you just put up the minimum wage you will reduce production. You will cause a loss of jobs and thus reduce the amount of money available for spending. This is about as un-stimulatory as you can get. Eh?
June 14th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
are you sure you aren’t a libertarian..?
..i sorta sense that degree of political incomprehension/simplicity..
..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 14th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
“..If you just put up the minimum wage you will reduce production. .”
how so..?
..as i see it there will an adjustment on cost..
..how would a raise to $15 ‘reduce production’..?
..you are talking apples and oranges..
..or to be unkind..
..gibberish..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 14th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Philu, your senses are too mixed up on all the weed you smoke to be trusted. And I don’t see how I can be accused of oversimplification by someone who thinks we could improve NZ by raising the minimum wage during (of all times) a recession.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
yawn..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 14th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Simple philu,
Cost of production up -> price per good up -> amount consumed down -> amount produced down.
Also worth considering:
amount produced down -> people made redundant -> those people have less money ->amount consumed down -> amount produced down
Do you follow, or do I need to replace “->” with “..”?
June 14th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Another consequence paradigm – amount produced down -> people made redundant -> those people earn less money -> tax revenue down ->less government money to pay welfare
June 14th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Micky Savage and his Young Labourg friends are obviously still on the celebratory crack Trevor “Duckman” Mallard was handing out last night.
“You have no idea how this has helped morale not only in Mt Albert but South Auckland and West Auckland and the Auckland area as a whole.”
Meanwhile, only a few high thousand turn out for a anti-supercity protest, Shearer’s majority was only slightly higher despite a 65% lower turnout among Nats and approval ratings remain above 50%. And of course, there’s always the Green’s drubbing. Liarbore back on the road on their rusty, dilapidated, people’s bicycle indeed. Keep on digging, Micky, perhaps you might suddenly find some gold.
“Sonia Voight: Did Melissa’s campaign go from blunder to blunder?
David Shearer: No, I was at a lot of campaign meetings with Melissa and she made alot of good points that were totally ignored”
This should be shouted from the rooftops.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
LOL I2, and the obvious consequence:
less government money to pay welfare -> less money for philu to spend on dope -> philu’s punctuation might actually improve.
Edit: perhaps the last step is a bit of an optimistic scenario
June 14th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
“This should be shouted from the rooftops.”
It won’t happen while the majority of journalists are Labour voters. They downplayed every gaffe Shearer made during the election, and they’ll keep on doing it.
Labour’s desperate media bastards stole this election.
For Labour and for Goff’s sake, they had to make dead sure that Labour won this, and they pulled out all stops to do it.
With Labour’s media jackals in full attack mode, and instructed to do everything they could to discredit her, Melissa Lee never stood a snowball’s chance in hell.
June 14th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
The bias was certainly palpable to those with eyes but I think Mt Albert’s reef-fish need to take their share of the responsibility.
Most people don’t know or care about politics. Most people don’t understand how our democracy has become corrupted by insidious shit like aforesaid blatant media bias.
Now that the good guys are in power and therefore in control of these dynamics, as much as one can be as a politician, I’m looking forward to seeing some movement in both the TVNZ and in RadioNZ News Depts to rid the public of this perspective.
A lesson can be taken from the way Lockwood comports himself whereby he actually (shock horror) holds Ministers to account. No doubt this comes as a total surprise to the lefty mindset who rely on every means to promote their poisonous agenda. Nevertheless the public immediately respond to this new way of dealing with things, thereby demonstrating that despite years of lefty manipulation they remain asleep but not terminal.
Re-engineering the govt owned TV and Radio stations along similar lines that Lockwood demonstrates would I believe, achieve a similar effect but instead of the awakening being restricted purely to politicos, it would instead be experienced by the masses, including those poor souls in Hulun’s old electorate.
Thank goodness she’s not there anymore. That’s the silver lining in all of this little episode.
June 14th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
so..reddy..
it was the ‘leftist media’ conspiracy that threw nationals’ chances off a cliff..eh..?
fiendishly clever/successful of them..don’t you think..?
..oh paranoid/delusional one..!
..where does your mind ramble..?..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 14th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Usually I would credit this horrifying result to the sort of overt electoral fraud practiced so successfully by leftists in the USA and Iran in this last year
But overt fraud was probably unecessary since the media so ruthlessly tore apart Melissa Lee like some sort of pagan sacrificial victim
June 14th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
pushmewanku is with you reddy..
..that’s ‘two..
..another four and you’ll have a sweatlodge-group..
mmm!!!!…’sweatlodge-group’..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
June 14th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Phul, could we please discuss the issues rather than calling one another names?
June 14th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
“Phul, could we please discuss the issues rather than calling one another names”
Sorry, but you’re asking the impossible: Whoar is very likely to be stoned, high on substances, and in his usual stupor and addled state of mind.
The problem is that once he gets back from that lamentable condition he returns to the kitchen to bake the next batch. Business calls.
June 14th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
I realise that Manolo I am well familiar with Phul’s idiocy. But I feel I should at least make the effort, for my conscience’s sake.
I guessw if I was a leftist I would prefer making puerile jokes about people’s handles because I am not going to win any argumnts involving actual logic or facts
June 14th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
In between surfing porn: “sweatlodge-group”
The evidence is mounting, Phil.
Tell me, do you ever feel like you should contribute something or is that only left up to “us?”
I know: what’s the point? Someday, maybe, it’ll sink in…
June 14th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
“..Phul, could we please discuss the issues rather than calling one another names?..”
but this is kiwiblog..
..it is founded on/runs on ‘calling one another names?’..
hadn’t you noticed..?
..and hey..!
..way to go with a name that screams out for a good ‘name call’..eh..?
..i mean..what were you thinking..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
(did someone fart..?
oh..!…it’s only man-so-low…old gorgonzola brain..
(psst..!..it’s the booze..!..didn’tyaknow..?)
June 14th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
mickeysavage, you’re lying about the amount of Labour activists in Auckland for the campaign. And there wasn’t just Wellington ones bussed up either. Labour paid for activists from as far as Dunedin for the campaign. I have proof too.
My sources tell me there were heaps of them up there.
Hardly sensible to throw every single egg into one basket. Labour sure are desperate to hold onto this safe seat. But why?