Blog Poll Results
Well the latest poll on David Bain set a record – 1,173 votes.
49% of people said they disagreed with the verdict and 46% said they agreed with the verdict. 6% supported the theory that Robin killed the kids, and then David killed Robin.
However the 46% who supported the verdict were divided on why – 24% said David probably did it, but there was reasonable doubt. 13% said they had no idea who did it, and only 9% said Robin did it.
Previous blog poll results, since the last update are:
- The 2009 budget had 51% rate it good or very good, 33% poor or very poor and 16% neutral.
- On the possibility of tax cuts going, 37% said they would only be slightly upset as the recession has forced it, 20% said they would be very pissed, 18% totally furious, 17% only reasonably pissed if postponed only and 8% hate tax cuts so glad they were cancelled.
- 58% approved of Christine Rankin’s appointment and 42% did not
- 76% disapproved of the appointment of Michael Cullen to the NZ Post Board
- 47% said National should postpone future tax cuts
- 60% think possession of cannabis for personal use should be a criminal offence
- 90% backed the restoration of titular honours
- 57% supported sinking the Sea Shepherd over the Japanese Whalers
- Least desired city to be forced to live in was Wanganui at 44%, Palm Nth 32%, Hamilton 16%, New Plymouth 9%
- 54% have downloaded a TV show not yet available in NZ
- 76% blamed Hamas for the deaths in Gaza
- 38% said 2009 will be better than 2008, 28% said it will not be and 34% said it will be only if we get the chance to boot Winston out again.
- 51% said they would rather go without the Internet for a fortnight and 49% would rather go without sex.
- 71% supported the use of urgency to pass laws before Xmas.
- 11% are missing Winston
- Only 46% think Goff will lead Labour into the 2011 election
- 75% had a favourable impression of the new Ministry
- 38% said the best part of election night was a clear National/Act majority, 27% Winston losing, 23% Helen resigning, 11% did not enjoy it and 3% the electorates National won
- 57% said they were voting National, 26% ACT, 7% Labour, 5% Greens
- 48% have voted for Labour at a previous election
- 47% supported extending the retail bank guarantee to wholesale borrowing, 30% did not and 23% said follow the experts.
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June 8th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
#15 I didn’t realise you had so many people over 75 that read your blog.
Well done David….. claps and high five’s all round.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
76% disapproved of the appointment of Michael Cullen to the NZ Post Board
Take note John
June 8th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
It is being put about, especially by Michael Reid, that David Bain is ‘an innocent man’, or found to be ‘innocent’ and that should be the end of it. Blog voters by a large majority believe David did it and that he was aquitted because of ‘reasonable doubt’, in other words the case against him was not proven. That does not make him innocent and no propaganda will alter that fact. Michael Reid should be satisfied that he did a good job for his client and leave it at that. Eventually David will be judged by a much higher authority.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Eventually David will be judged by a much higher authority.
Um, no he won’t. He’s been judged already by the highest authority.
Or do you think your invisible sky friend will get him in the end? Don’t you think it odd that invisiblesky friend doesn;’t mind the innocent being punished while they are alive but keeps punishment for the evil until they are dead?
June 8th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Fuck off borker. Your continual challenges to believers are merely devices to draw attention to yourself. Desperate posturing narcissistic loser.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
wassup red? Can’t handle the truth, or afraid to leave home with out invisible friend holding your hand and changing your nappy?
People are free to believe what they want, I am free to challenge those beliefs. Or doesn’t your idea of freedom extend to religious freedom?
June 8th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Hate his politics. Admire his mind. Based on the latter attribute + his contacts, he’ll make an exceedingly good Chairman, which is obviously why he’s been appointed. Bolger will retire shortly, within a year or two. Bet on it.
Rule of law is seen to be done. Not guilty doesn’t mean he didn’t do it, it means the trial was fair. First trial wasn’t. This one was, in that it gave the Crown every opportunity to throw everything they possibly could at it. He came out innocent. So be it. As you say, trout, David along with you and I et al, will all be judged accordingly. Right now, David IMO, deserves the benefit of the doubt accorded to one who’s been tested more than most by the judicial system. If you care to disagree he deserves that, then perhaps you should criticise the system more than the person.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
In other words 79% say David Bain is probably to definitely a murderer
June 8th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
David Bain is the hero of New Zealand.
At least he gives the New Zealand gossip, tall poppy, mentality of New Zealand years of material.
You can tell TV1 has been a little thrown off by the not-guilty verdict, so they are giving the old “inappropriate juror behaviour” a bit of mileage. After all, the Aussie drunk teenager that played chicken was only good enough to make second page on tonights news.
It would be amazing to see exactly what the seagull and Simon actually think of the shit they read. What happened to the animal abusing Lion zoo former boss. Come on, you ran that as a lead and no follow up.
Tell you what, if you ever want to terrorise and torture Ben Ladin, or any other foreign group, just sew their eye-lids open and sit them in front of the TV set at six pm and make them watch TV1 news. The weather will do the rest.
It has only been a month and I have cracked.
I am off to the Gold Coast. As we all know, everyone leaves eventually.
David Bain, I am an INFj and my instinct says you did it, but what the Hell you served your time, and I would have acquitted you on that evidence too.
My advice to you is get the hell out while you still can, I’ll buy you a beer in Surfers, I’m going there to finish my next book.
But then, you have people to sue, Woman’s Day interviews to do, with the hairy fat bottom, millions to get.
Fair enough, you buy me a beer when you get it.
Robert Black.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Luke: I don’t understand how we got by those troops. I thought we were dead.
Obi-Wan: The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.
Sigh.
WTF were you thinking.
?????
June 8th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
# Redbaiter (6424) Vote: Add rating 2 Subtract rating 1 Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Fuck off borker. Your continual challenges to believers are merely devices to draw attention to yourself. Desperate posturing narcissistic loser.
Fuck you RedBaiter. BillyBorker’s post was actually addressing what the previous poster wrote. Your post added absolutely sweet fuck all to the thread.
If you truly are a Christian, what are your thoughts on your God Jesus saying that if you hate someone you’re just as bad as a murderer?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
I’d suggest that 78.4% of internet polls tell us not very much, except that self-selecting surveys are pretty worthless.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
“If you truly are a Christian, what are your thoughts on your God Jesus saying that if you hate someone you’re just as bad as a murderer?”
Can you explicate there Rebel? Specific passages, I mean.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
But would you still think that if it showed that support for Liarbore in Mt Albert was running at 95.4% +/- 4%?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
**off topic and possible offensive** redbaiter, funnily enough most vile, bitchy people I have met have been christian, as well as apparently some that I haven’t met *coughs*
On No. 11 I would just like to say that their were deaths in Gaza long before Hamas one the elections. Whilst Hamas is culpable for a significant amount of the unrest/deaths in Gaza pre and post 2006 its simplistic and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. If those parties involved accepted responsibility for their part in the past and present conflict that would be a real step towards peace.
Of course I don’t see that happening.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Reid: Can you explicate there Rebel? Specific passages, I mean.
Matthew 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.
James 2:9 If you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
1 John4:20 If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.
And in case you think by saying one is guilty of ‘illegality’ but not necessarily to the same scale as ‘murder’, let’s look at it in context – clearly Jesus was comparing little things such as looking at a woman to adultery, therefore hatred to murder:
Matthew 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
“would you still think that if it showed that support for Liarbore in Mt Albert was running at 95.4% +/- 4%?”
How could that be true, don’t you read Oily’s blog and his “insider information” that National are cruising to victory?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
I can hardly believe that intelligent people in a modern society can continue to think the bible is relevant. Ultimately, nobody can actually know what is out there (although that is not a reason to think there is a god, religious foke the burden of proof is upon you to brove the existence of god not me to disprove it) so we may as well ignore the possibility of there being a god and get on with our lives in a rational, moral matter.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Top choice of words Rebel. Did you learn them from a sermon, or are you practicing one of your own? And as you’re accomplished at quoting scripture to make your point, check out Ephesians 5:4. FWIW, borker has earned a reputation for being a vocal hater of Christians (and to be fair other religious groups). But I’m sure you observed that throughout your earlier ban.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
These are just my personal thoughts – but I always wondered whether I’d be able to cope if I was locked away in prison for committing a crime I didn’t do. I’d probably end up committing suicide after the first year.
But what if I did do it? Perhaps I would stay alive because I knew I deserved what I was getting.
But then again to be honest I think I’d still commit suicide, just ‘cos I wouldn’t be able to bear it.
It’s incredible that Bain managed to stay alive all that time – I haven’t really been reading up on it but did he try to commit suicide during his time in prison?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
That pretty much explains all the other poll results. LOL.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
GetStaffed: Top choice of words Rebel. Did you learn them from a sermon, or are you practicing one of your own? And as you’re accomplished at quoting scripture to make your point, check out Ephesians 5:4. FWIW, Borker has earned a reputation for being a vocal hater of Christians (and to be fair other religious groups). But I’m sure you observed that throughout your earlier ban.
Sorry but what does Ephesians 5:4 have to do with my response to Reid again? FYI I’m not a follower of the rules of the Bible. Also, you’ll note that Borker was merely responding to someone’s claim that Bain would be subject to a higher authority, if someone said something along the lines of: “Labour will in the future make this country a better place when they are elected again”, what would be the problem in someone responding to that and disagreeing with it?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Jcw – I attended a secular managment training programme three years ago. It was with a large Telco and spanned a few days each month over 10 months. The leadership style of Jesus Christ was critiqued on several ocassions and relevant Bible passages were read to reinforce the points being made. The presenter of the sections in question introduced himself as an agnostic. I’d suggest that a good number of corporate captains of industry could do with some of Jesus’s leadership wisdom today.
[Edit: Sorry, off topic... and off to bed]
June 8th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Yeah, sorry Rebel, I don’t buy into your interpretation.
It’s a fact of course that any sinful (or good) thought has ramifications but I think it’s stretching the point that hatred is equivalent to murder either in thought or in mind, from anything in the Bible.
I agree that Matthew’s adultery passage is a striking illustration of the dangerous and tempting issues with respect to one’s vivid thoughts re: a partner to whom you’re not married, but I don’t recall anywhere in the Bible which seeks to extrapolate that particular principle outside of that particular arena.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
I’m sorry but how are you even able to type that again? I mean, shouldn’t you have gorged your eyes out by now, or have you seriously never lusted after a woman before. Or are you kinda content with the idea of going to Hell with both your eyes?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Actually sonic, I just wanted you to repeat “Liarbore” in your comment.
Bwahahahahaha etc,
June 9th, 2009 at 12:01 am
Uh Rebel, your original question was about:
“Jesus saying that if you hate someone you’re just as bad as a murderer”
I’ve shown you why I don’t agree.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:03 am
OK. Let’s move on then. You wrote:
I agree that Matthew’s adultery passage is a striking illustration of the dangerous and tempting issues with respect to one’s vivid thoughts regarding a partner to whom you’re not married.
Can you explicate there Reid?
June 9th, 2009 at 12:11 am
Of course Rebel, the sexual urge is the most creative force in the universe. Apparently, it’s so creative, it creates us.
That’s why it’s dangerous. It’s also wonderful, amazing, magnificent, brilliant, mysterious, unusual, inexplicable and justified with dozens of other words that fail my limited vocabulary.
Surprised you asked, really.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:26 am
Jurors mixing with the parties after the trial.
Yeah, that is soooooo rare. Jurors never ever do that!!
My first juniored trial, a rape trial, where a guy raped his ex-wife at knife-point. The jury convicted after a popodopolous from the judge, gave a stern leniency direction to the judge in sentencing, then were all over us at the end of the trial, crying and telling us how hard it was.
My first seniored trial, the jurors met us outside and said, “man you were lucky!” to me and my client. That was more like it. But hey, who cared, we won.
They actually hugged us, the defence team. It was quite sickening and confusing for me as junior counsel.
That’s right, it is weird and serious TVNZ. Rarely happens.
My second seniored trial, the jurors met us outside and said, “man you were lucky!” to me and my client. That was more like it. But hey, who cared, we won.
So rare and serious isn’t it TVNZ, because after all, you said it was?
No, what is weird and serious is the irresponsible ex-parte use of journalism in New Zealand. You are journalists…get it!!!?
Don’t just take a stance, point your yacht to the wind and use your egoes as motors.
I think you are all more disgusting in such a small country you should have far more accountabliity. And then you wonder why you too get chewed up in the tall poppy land when one of you goes astray.
(Tony Veitch).
Thank God for blogging.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:30 am
I quite agree, JCW.
That’s probably why people who believe in G-d call it faith. One thing that puzzles me however, is, why people who don’t believe in G-d, seem to imagine that their position of unbelief, is based on anything other than faith.
I mean, you can’t prove that G-d doesn’t exist, anymore than can people who believe that He does exist.
June 9th, 2009 at 1:29 am
But the natural default is to the most simple answer. If no one had suggested that particular delusion to you then it wouldn’t even need to disproved. How about showing some evidence for the existence of god before asking someone else to disprove?
June 9th, 2009 at 2:31 am
“How about showing some evidence for the existence of god before asking someone else to disprove?”
Not necessary when disbelievers are unable to explain time, or the universe, and its beginnings, its limits or its purpose.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:01 am
Why does it need purpose?
June 9th, 2009 at 3:07 am
“How about showing some evidence for the existence of god before asking someone else to disprove?”
“Not necessary when disbelievers are unable to explain time, or the universe, and its beginnings, its limits or its purpose.”
Nice cop out there Red…..”because we cannot yet explain something it therefore means a God did it?” Please!
The onus of proof is on the one making the positive assertion…that a God exists…not on the one who holds the negative position….that there isn’t one as its impossible to prove a negative.There may well be a God somewhere….but its on the belivers head to prove it….and so far they have failed.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:14 am
jcw and racer1
People dismissive like you are of religion display an ignorant and immature failure to comprehend human nature.
I do not believe in any god but I do not consider myself better off for it. But in the eyes of history, I am a christian.
June 9th, 2009 at 3:30 am
“The onus of proof is on the one making the positive assertion…”
Give it a rest Jimmy. You just accused me of copping out, and here you are as usual using brain dead self professed libertarian mantras to try and escape your own onus of proof.
The onus of proof is on the party wishing to convert the other.
Since I feel no compulsion to convert you, and agree that you can believe in a spiritual solution to the mystery of the universe or disbelieve, as you may choose, I am under no compulsion to prove anything.
However, if you feel you wish to convert people from the point of view that there is a spiritual element to the mystery of the universe to your own creed of secularism, then it is your obligation to provide proof.
“The onus of proof is on the one making the positive assertion…” is just weak illogical self serving crap, like so much of what so called Libertarians “believe” in. Even have their own bible that they “faithfully” quote from at every opportunity. They are nobody to be sneering at religionists of any persuasion.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:16 am
Must admit that there are a few hypocrits writing here.
Why bag a religon,any religon for that fact ,its their business to believe or not.
Why take the holidays based around the religon celibrations that take place?
Me ,I dont care if there is a god or not, I have my own beliefs,they are mine and no-one elses.
Religon to me is a personal thing ,if you want to have a god in your life good on you.
If not the same thing,but dont force or condem others for their beliefs.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:49 am
Why bag a religon,any religon for that fact ,its their business to believe or not.
That is true, in so far as the belief is a private one. When the belief spills over in to the puiblic sphere,then it is a public matter and open to criticism and ridicule.
Would you say “Why bag a political party,any political party for that fact ,its their business to believe or not.”?
People without religion don’t fly planes in to skyscrapers.
People without religion do not claim land that is not theirs based on the ramblings of an ancient book.
People without religion do not deny themselves the pleasures of this earth.
People without religion do not lie to their children about punishment and reward.
People without rleligion live good lives beause they know it is the best way to live, not in anticipation of reward or fear of punishment.
People without religion treat others as equals.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:43 am
You are in a very dark place borker. Stop eating the Hatebix you disgusting git.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Forget Borker Father. He is a contemptible low IQ loser driven by the mental disease of narcissism, who sees this forum only as an opportunity to seek the attention he is unable to attract elsewhere. Every time you respond to his ignorant and infantile absurdities, you feed his obsession to post here.
James, I should I have added that to allege lack of reason on the part of believers is an indication that you are unable to come to grips with the basics of their position, and that is faith.
Believers do not pretend to understand the mysteries of life time and the universe, but allow themselves to believe that some unseen spiritual force of far superior intellectual capacity does. This faith excuses them the need to rationalize their position for by its very existence it is an admission that they do not fully understand.
The rationalist rejects this faith as an issue due only ridicule and contempt, however cannot explain by means of science or reason the correctness of his own position. Therefore it is the non believers like you James who are wanting for argument, not the religionists, and once again therefore, the onus of proof falls upon you.
..and anyway, since you speak with such certainty, why ever would you be reluctant to explain your position. You claim to understand, so spit it out. What’s the problem?
June 9th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Borker you are way out of line with your constant vicious attacks on religion.
I also happen to be a non believer however I do not feel the need to denigrate or abuse those who are, you pinko’s demand tolerance for all sorts of things that many of us find repulsive yet you refuse to offer the same respect or tolerance to those who do not share your views.
Please take your narrow minded hatred somewhere else.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:10 am
“49% of people said they disagreed with the verdict”
That’s your readership in a nutshell Dave! We know it all. Let’s not let the evidence get in the way of our prejudices and opinions now, shall we?
June 9th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Jcw
No
fokefolk have tobroveprove anything to you or anyone else.As for 49% believing Bain is the murderer…..yep, I’m one of them. Not a shred of evidence that Robin did it, even the supposed “motive” is dodgy at best. Amazing what good lawyers can do for you!
June 9th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
You forgot this one billy bonkers…
People without religion don’t kill, torture & suppress untold millions to make them bow to their atheistic, communistic claptrap….ooops!
I’m really convinced you’ve escaped from a padded cell.