Greens announce new emissions reduction policy – abortion

August 10th, 2009 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

The Green Party today released a further policy on how New Zealand can make a goal of a 40% reduction in by 2020 and 80% by 2050.

“We realised our previous policy of de-stocking dairy herds was not going to be enough. Yes Cows fart and belch more methane than humans, but they don’t travel in cars and use heaters” said the Green Party.

New Zealanders emit 7.4 metric tons of carbon emissions per capita. The more New Zealanders we have, the more emissions we have. Hence the solution is to have less New Zealanders”

We have decided is the best way to reduce the number of New Zealanders, as this is preferable to euthanasia. In 2007 the rate was only 22.2% of pregnancies. If we can triple that to 67%, that will mean 37,000 less New Zealanders every year.

Over 10 years until 2020, that is a massive 370,000 fewer New Zealanders. That will reduce annual emissions by 2.8 million tons of carbon emissions. And by 2050 that will see annual emissions down by 14 million tons.

The wish to make it clear they are not proposing that abortion be compulsory for all New Zealanders.

“We propose a lottery, like the US green card for immigrant visas. Every month all pregnant women will be entered into the lottery, and only two out of three of them will have to abort their pregnancy. One in three women will be allowed to keep their pregnancy viable. Of course they may miscarry, which will be great for the environment, but that is just an added bonus.

We wish to make it very clear, in case our opponents scare-monger, that a woman who has to have an abortion for the sake of reducing our carbon emissions is allowed to get pregnant again. So really it is just a small delay in having children for most women.

Some parties may decry this policy as extreme, but they should remember that unless carbon emissions in New Zealand are reduced to 40% of 1990 levels by 2020, the world is doomed and we will all end up aborted. So this is about saving the planet for the one in three who are allowed to be born.

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94 Responses to “Greens announce new emissions reduction policy – abortion”

  1. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Is this true, or very sick?

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  2. Colonel Masters (409 comments) says:

    Hence the solution is to have less New Zealanders

    Well, I was believing it entirely until I saw DPF’s trademark grammar slip ;-)

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  3. david (2,561 comments) says:

    Sad that it is almost believable

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  4. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    It’s more sensible than most real Greens policies

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  5. Cerium (23,680 comments) says:

    A bit of a stretch – wouldn’t they be proposing hemp condoms?

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  6. Ryan Sproull (7,259 comments) says:

    Equating killing cows with killing humans.

    We’ll make a vegetarian of you yet, Farrar.

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  7. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    even tho’ it’s as funny as a nosebleed..

    shouldn’t you add ‘humour’ to yer tags..?

    evening over there..?..is it..?

    matais..?

    ..again..?

    (“..won’t somebody think of the liver..!..”)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  8. XChequer (298 comments) says:

    Lmao!

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  9. pete (416 comments) says:

    My views on the Greenpeace 40% campaign are well known. And its use of celebrity endorsements, rather than rational arguments, for its campaign represents all the worst aspects of what should be a serious public policy debate.

    It’s just not possible to have a rational debate when it’s being poisoned by denialists like dpf.

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  10. XChequer (298 comments) says:

    Thought this might have been a Dannyl M Special

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  11. Steve (4,587 comments) says:

    Some take you seriously DPF, what a sad non humourous bunch they are.

    Prefer the euthanasia actually. Just get rid of those who contribute nothing

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  12. big bruv (14,126 comments) says:

    pete

    “It’s just not possible to have a rational debate when it’s being poisoned by denialists like dpf.”

    Do you realise how stupid that statement is?

    You want to “debate” the issue just as long as we all agree with you.

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  13. big bruv (14,126 comments) says:

    “Prefer the euthanasia actually. Just get rid of those who contribute nothing”

    Great idea!, they can start with Bradford, Locke, Mad Delahunty, and the rest of their MP’s.

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  14. MT_Tinman (3,249 comments) says:

    pete (349) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 1 Says:
    August 10th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    “It’s just not possible to have a rational debate when it’s being poisoned by denialists like dpf.”

    Ant that, in a nutshell, sums up the total global warming alarmists argument.

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  15. Chris S (111 comments) says:

    Oh dear…

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  16. AG (1,830 comments) says:

    DPF,

    You’re in a great hotel, about to go on a wonderful cruise, and THIS is what you produce?

    Worst. Post. Ever.

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  17. MT_Tinman (3,249 comments) says:

    Damn, got half way through the item before I realised it was a satire.

    Up ’til then was thinking finally they got something right, an idea they can export.

    Bugger, now I gotta go back to pushing for a major natural catastrophe.

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  18. backster (2,184 comments) says:

    Abortion is far from the best option. Abolish the D.P.B. would be the most effective, closely followed by refusing to allow immigration from Moslem African, and Pacific Island Countries.
    Abolishing Alcohol production and consumption would also reduce our CO2 emissions. One gallon of wine produces 7lb of CO2 a day during a 14 day fermentation. In 2003 the world consumed 150392 billion litres of beer which emitted 9352382 metric tons of CO2. I guess the big Scam hooley in Copenhagen this October is going to be a dry argument.

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  19. pete (416 comments) says:

    You want to “debate” the issue just as long as we all agree with you.

    Read dpf’s post. Do you actually consider it a useful contribution to this debate you think we should be having?

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  20. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    I’m the village idiot, Farrar, but this is stupid beyond anything I could do.
    Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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  21. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Keeps the discussion off Bill English’s selfish rorts I suppose…

    but still the stupidest post I’ve seen, anywhere.

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  22. Cerium (23,680 comments) says:

    “Abolishing Alcohol production and consumption would also reduce our CO2 emissions.”

    Nett?

    It would also increase our population which would increase other emissions.

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  23. ben (2,384 comments) says:

    Is this satire? Or what is left unstated?

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  24. dime (10,095 comments) says:

    im sure somewhere in the green party this has been discussed. afterall, human life isnt that important (apart from their own)

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  25. Grendel (1,003 comments) says:

    brilliant, obviously satire, but the greens are nutty enough that you don;t see it as much of a leap for them to actually believe this.

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  26. Chris S (111 comments) says:

    37,000 less New Zealanders every year.

    Is this inability to distinguish discrete and continuous measurements an inherit problem in the National Party?

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  27. getstaffed (9,186 comments) says:

    Not often I agree with the lefties here… but I agree it’s a poor form post. For me there can be no humour in the destruction of our most vulnerable

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  28. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    So getting negative Karma for asking a question.

    No worries. Helps my motivation. All good.

    At least I am not an AB’s supporter.

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  29. Cerium (23,680 comments) says:

    Shocking the Greens and the Christians in one hit!

    It might be a bit extreme, but it brings attention to one difficult issue – what happens if we leave the population to just keep on growing. Computer modeling has shown there may be the capacity on Earth to feed double the population we have now. I don’t know if that takes into account what the climate models predict.

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  30. Brian Smaller (4,024 comments) says:

    I would go further. Seeing as humans are the most toxic thing on the planet, I propose that we do everything we can to hasten the extinction of our species. In 50 million years there will be new creatures filling all the new ecological niches. Giant grazers that evolve from rabbits – that sort of thing. Ok there wont be any elephants or whales, but then again there are not any Baluchitherium herds any more either.

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  31. jarbury (464 comments) says:

    DPF’s hysterics on this issue continue to amaze me.

    I’m with AG on this one.

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  32. racer1 (352 comments) says:

    I hear John Key has a press conference scheduled for 3pm, he was saying something about a modest proposal?

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  33. dmz (21 comments) says:

    lol satire

    Seriously? This is pretty pathetic. Satire should be funny. This isn’t.

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  34. Fletch (6,486 comments) says:

    It is satire, but probably not too far off what greenies and animal activists think. Check out this quote from Wild Earth, Vol 1, No2 (Summer 1991), page 72 (as reported in Air Con) –

    “If you haven’t given voluntary human extinction much thought before, the idea of a world with no people in it may seem strange. But, if you give it a chance, i think you might agree that the extinction of Homo Sapiens would mean survival for millions, if not billions, of Earth dwelling species…Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental”

    and these quotes from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) as reported by frontpagemag.com

    “Mankind is the biggest blight on the face of the earth”; “I do not believe that a human being has a right to life”; “I would rather have medical experiments done on our children than on animals.”

    Oh, and I love this –

    “Even if animal tests produced a cure for AIDS, we’d be against it.”

    uhuh…
    Lets just have a beautiful paradise with the plants and animals, sans man.
    Crazy..

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  35. dmz (21 comments) says:

    Don’t just pick and choose from the extreme crazy stuff and misrepresent it as a general position. Most people concerned about the environment are pragmatic; they want a win-win solution.

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  36. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    idiot

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  37. Ford Anglia (26 comments) says:

    The greatest contribution the red/green movement can make is a Jim Jones type cult where they commit mass suicide in the name of Gaia. Here is why:
    (1) Reduction in the number of humans. 5% of the population of Western nations are beholden to the cult at present. Total population decline will be around 50 million oxygen thieves. The population increase in non-Western countries will offset their efforts within months. But the quality of life in Western countries should increase significantly.
    (2) For a truly environmentally friendly exit, suicides must happen at sea. Drowning ensures there are no artificial flavourings, such as mercury, arsenic or cyanide in the system at time of death. Their bodies are recycled in the ecosystem in an efficient method without killing marine life feasting on the remains. Should lead to a short term increase in fish volumes and possibly weight.
    (3) For the first time red/greens can show they are serious and not hypocrites. Many believe red/greens are “do as I say, not as I do” personality types. This act will conclusively demonstrate the red/greens mean business and are a serious force for change in the world.
    (4) Significant reduction in Climate Change (Global Warming or “insert whatever alarmist naming convention will be used next to sell the same snake oil”) scientific “information” from these Luddites. Should free up science and capital to do productive development such as fusion power, genetically modified grains that can grow in adverse conditions and feed the starving masses, underwater mineral and oil mining, space weapons platforms – fun, boys-own-adventure stuff.
    (5) Reduction of the red/ green interference in our lives. Sadly, there will be no elimination as there will always be the next generation of busy-body interfering bed-wetters to contend with, such as the Labour and National parties in New Zealand.
    (6) Increased human optimism. With the nay-sayers and doom merchants reduced, the rest of us can get on and live happy lives.

    Feel free to add to the list.
    Ford.

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  38. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    just to set ya right there..fletch..

    i am as distressed/disgusted by our world-beating rates of abortion..as any thinking human must..(all politics/ideologies to one side..)

    and i am maybe the loudest animal rights person here..

    ..so..?

    and ..that’s right..!

    ..you are one of those gung-ho for the ‘rights of children’..

    up until they are born..eh..?

    then they can just go rot..eh..?..(esp. the ‘poor’ ones..eh..?..)

    your (fervid/fervent/religion-tinged) anti-abortion stance is coupled with yr vile far-right policies..

    which call for a ripping away of the/any state-support provided to sole-parents..and the like..eh..?

    ..and yr a believer in yr god/bible-given ‘rights to ‘smack/hit’ children..eh..?

    ..you really are sorta a walking /stellar example of that schitzophrenic hypocrisy of yr type..

    eh..?

    (and..psstt..!!!..you might have been ‘off-topic’..dpf is very strict on that..eh..?

    oh..!..hang on..!..yr a rightie..!..eh..?

    sweet as..!..bro..!

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

    ..

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  39. KiwiGreg (3,259 comments) says:

    I’ve been watching South Park all weekend so I am innured to any offense the satire might cause. The hysterical reaction from the left probably indicates things hitting a little close to home though.

    If you think there are too many people, off yourself. Seriously, people who advocate population control really only want there to be less “other people”, frequently, less “people who dont look like me”.

    There are more people on the planet now then at any time in our history. And for most of them there has never been a better time to be alive. We live longer, healthier and more enjoyable lives. Of course people who dont worry about where their next meal is coming from can find the time to worry about less tangible threats like climate change.

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  40. William J (44 comments) says:

    Brilliant DPF! Absolutely brilliant! I loved the lottery part the most – had me in stitches! You’ve definately got a talent for satire – keep it coming! I haven’t laughed so much in ages. Thank you! Have a great holiday.

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  41. francis (712 comments) says:

    really VERY funny because so close to the mark!

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  42. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    um..!..no kiwigreg..

    ..it is just rigorously ‘un-funny’..

    and is another thread of dpfs ‘big story the other day..

    ..on how the greens plan/want to have a ‘night of the long knives’..on our bovine population..

    ‘the big cow-slaughter’..

    ..(whereas a moments thought brings the realisation..that you de-herd/stock..by stopping breeding..brilliantly simple..!..eh..?.)

    (and here’s the funny bit..!..he had lunch after that..and guess what he had..?..veal..!..)

    and this is all part of the do-nothing campaign from natty hq..

    (yawn..!..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  43. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    Vomit…

    Abortions and miscarriages. Hilarious.

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  44. Sonny Blount (1,794 comments) says:

    Hilarious post DPF!

    All the girly men and women offended by this should give themselves a swift uppercut.

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  45. Manolo (14,029 comments) says:

    And 7% of the NZ population would give their vote to these nutters?
    Isn’t incredible how many morons / deranged / dim-witted / stupid and imbeciles we have in our midst?

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  46. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    Disgusted S.B, not offended. I presume you have little experience of miscarriages and abortions?

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  47. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Now why do you think it is that Farrar would post drivel that even his fans call crap. Needs to maintain that anti-Green sentiment amongst his followers perhaps?
    Satire is a great weapon, that’s for sure, but when it comes out as a sulphurous fart like this one did, it just makes the writer look a fool.

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  48. Chris S (111 comments) says:

    Isn’t incredible how many morons / deranged / dim-witted / stupid and imbeciles we have in our midst?

    I was just thinking the same thing

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  49. dave strings (608 comments) says:

    Not sure about the lottery David. As an alternative, how about a test as to the parents’ ability to provide for the child without dependency on the rest of us. Unwillingness, on the part of either parent, to sign an undertaking not to claim any benefit for the period up to the child reaching the end of its education should result in instant entry to the abortion clinic, as should inability or unwillingness of the pregnant female to produce the foetus’ male parent.

    That would leave about 1/3rd to be selected by other means. Given our need to create knowledge in order to attain our national goal of being a knowledge based economy, I would suggest that any parent couple where either has an IQ of less than 110, or where the total of the two does not exceed 230, should be assigned a reservation in the clinic. After that, the required number for the month could be made up of people who do not, in the sole and unchallengeable opinion of a panel of three men and two women, have socially acceptable dress sense on a first pregnant first evaluated basis until the quota is full.

    Ballots are such random things. This process would at least ensure the country as a whole made progress toward a more productive and visually pleasing society.

    YS
    BIG BROTHER

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  50. jarbury (464 comments) says:

    Wow Dave, that sounds a lot like Hitler’s eugenics policies.

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  51. Grant Michael McKenna (1,160 comments) says:

    Satire is not humour, it is not intended to be funny- it is intended to ridicule. Satire praises that which it ridicules; the literally-minded take the praise seriously and react accordingly. Abortion and miscarriage are tragically sad topics, but using them to highlight the absurdities of political positions is completely valid.

    Now when the Greens reply with articles predicting National will legalise slavery, just remember: satire doesn’t have to be funny, true or relevant, which is why teenagers love it.

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  52. dmz (21 comments) says:

    That’s a good point, although I think it’s fair to say in this case that it was intended to be funny. I also think funny satire is the best, and most effective kind (although criticising something for humour or lack of it is a pretty dead end, as humour’s such a subjective field.) For example: I think South Park and the Chaser’s War on Everything are hilarious, but I’m sure many people don’t share my opinion.

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  53. Cerium (23,680 comments) says:

    “This process would at least ensure the country as a whole made progress toward a more productive and visually pleasing society.”

    Do you think it would bring back the balance towards survival of the fittest, albeit in an arbitrary way?

    We may have swayed to much towards “the weak, the thick, by any prick”.

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  54. trout (944 comments) says:

    A reminder that the Green Party morphed out of the Values Party. A central plank of Values Party policy was zero population growth. A reduction in population would not be difficult to achieve; just stop immigration. No first world country (and NZ) is reproducing at a rate that would sustain population numbers.

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  55. Sam (502 comments) says:

    GMM – are you confusing satire with sarcasm perhaps? Satire, which usually has a level of humour involved, is beyond most teens, who, on the other hand, excel at sarcasm – which of course is the lowest form of humour… (and that which best meets the definition you provided)…

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  56. Sam (502 comments) says:

    PS – for whoever thought this might have been a DimPost special – the written expression here isn’t sufficiently convincing. Danyl also tends to have more of an air of surreality as well – this piece, somewhat disturbingly, is more lucid in taking actual positions to logical extremes – which is what provokes the discomfort experienced in having enjoyed reading it…

    Some, however, will not be honest about that enjoyment, and yet others, i suppose, really do lack a sense of humour altogether…

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  57. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Sarcasm, the lowest form of humour?
    The writer of this abortion of a post should stick to sarcasm then – perhaps it’s more his thing.

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  58. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Sickly and sickening.
    Destined to become Farrar’s most memorable and widely quoted post.

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  59. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Good satire DPF,

    As has been mentioned by others, this is in fact pretty close to ‘core doctrine’ for the Green movement. ‘One Worlders’ have been proposing a population reduction to ~ 500 million for quite some time now. The likelihood that compulsory abortion and euthanasia will form a large part of the methods to ‘regulate’ global population is almost a given.

    I believe a large part of the justification that will be put to the world community will be the ongoing Green movement promotion of the ‘global warming’ lie; that if we don’t prevent it then ‘Gaia’ will take vengeance herself by reducing the human population. Don’t tell me the Green movement and One Worlders use science rather than religious fervour to push their agenda upon a gullible and ignorant world.

    Expect to see more of this sort of stuff being promoted ‘for real’ by the socialist/liberal/green sectors of the ‘global community’.

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  60. Brian Smaller (4,024 comments) says:

    Some of you people are sad sacks. The post is tagged under satire. God knows how you would moan about Jonathan Swiftt’s treatise on eating Irish babies.

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  61. Sonny Blount (1,794 comments) says:

    Disgusted S.B, not offended. I presume you have little experience of miscarriages and abortions?

    I’ve seen all the death and disease I need in my lifetime RRM. It’s not a badge of honour and I don’t need to cry in the corner about it.

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  62. Philonz (88 comments) says:

    You are smarter than this DPF. I usually respect your arguments as well thought out even if I often disagree with them. This however is an epic failure and far from your best work.

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  63. Alan Wilkinson (1,886 comments) says:

    trout: “A reminder that the Green Party morphed out of the Values Party. A central plank of Values Party policy was zero population growth.”

    Actually, a much more central plank and controversy at the time was women’s right to legal abortion. But although the Values Party had a socialist wing it was substantially anarchistic and anti state centralisation and compulsion. Green lust for power and control came later.

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  64. AG (1,830 comments) says:

    Brian S,
    “The post is tagged under satire. God knows how you would moan about Jonathan Swiftt’s treatise on eating Irish babies.”

    Calling something “satire” does not immunise it from criticism. The problem with DPF here is not the subject matter (Green party policy on limiting human impact on the environment) but the basic execution of it. DPF was neither particularly accomplished in his writing, nor did he level a damning indictment of the attitude of the privileged toward the poor (which is what really good satire does – it mocks and undercuts the pretensions of those who smugly assume their power in society should be taken for granted). Both of which Swift did in spades.

    So one can praise Swift and damn DPF without any contradiction – ’cause one shows how satire should be done, the other shows how it shouldn’t.

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  65. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Do you have any female friends Farrar?

    Bet they’re laughing their arses off over this:

    ” Of course they may miscarry, which will be great for the environment, but that is just an added bonus.”

    from your post. Nice glimpse into the mind of a mysoganist.

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  66. tom hunter (5,078 comments) says:

    I think that DPF needs a lesson on what constitutes true satire, to whit the following superior piece of Swiftian wit:

    We need to radically and intelligently reduce human populations to fewer than one billion. We need to eliminate nationalism and tribalism and become Earthlings. And as Earthlings, we need to recognize that all the other species that live on this planet are also fellow citizens and also Earthlings. This is a planet of incredible diversity of life-forms; it is not a planet of one species as many of us believe.

    We need to stop burning fossil fuels and utilize only wind, water, and solar power with all generation of power coming from individual or small community units like windmills, waterwheels, and solar panels.

    Sea transportation should be by sail. The big clippers were the finest ships ever built and sufficient to our needs. Air transportation should be by solar powered blimps when air transportation is necessary.

    All consumption should be local. No food products need to be transported over hundreds of miles to market. All commercial fishing should be abolished. If local communities need to fish the fish should be caught individually by hand.

    Preferably vegan and vegetarian diets can be adopted. We need to eliminate herds of ungulates like cows and sheep and replace them with wild ungulates like bison and caribou and allow those species to fulfill the proper roles in nature. We need to restore the prey predator relationship and bring back the wolf and the bear. We need the large predators and ungulates, not as food, but as custodians of the land that absorbs the carbon dioxide and produces the oxygen. We need to live with them in mutual respect.

    We need to remove and destroy all fences and barriers that bar wildlife from moving freely across the land. We need to lower populations of domestic housecats and dogs. Already the world’s housecats consume more fish than all the world’s seals and we have made the cow into the largest aquatic predator on the planet because more than one half of all fish taken from the sea is converted into meal for animal feed.

    We need to stop flying, stop driving cars, and jetting around on marine recreational vehicles. The Mennonites survive without cars and so can the rest of us.

    We can retain technology but within the context of Henry David Thoreau’s simple message to “simplify, simplify, simplify.”

    We need an economic system that provides all people with educational, medical, security, and support systems without mass production and vast utilization of resources. This will only work within the context of a much smaller global population.

    Who should have children? Those who are responsible and completely dedicated to the responsibility which is actually a very small percentage of humans. Being a parent should be a career. Whereas some people are engineers, musicians, or lawyers, others with the desire and the skills can be fathers and mothers. Schools can be eliminated if the professional parent is also the educator of the child.

    This approach to parenting is radical but it is preferable to a system where everyone is expected to have children in order to keep the population of consumers up to keep the wheels of production moving. An economic and political system dependent on continuous growth cannot survive the ecological law of finite resources.

    There is, of course, a complexity of problems in adjusting to a new design that will simply allow us to survive the consequences of our past ecological folly.

    Curing a body of cancer requires radical and invasive therapy, and therefore, curing the biosphere of the human virus will also require a radical and invasive approach

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  67. KiwiGreg (3,259 comments) says:

    You guys should totally teach DPF a lesson for his bad satire by boycotting his site. I’m sure if you all stop posting for a year or two he will soon learn.

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  68. Manolo (14,029 comments) says:

    Long live satire, irreverence, wit and humour!

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  69. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    It amazes me how the Kiwiblog right shamelessly misrepresents issues of good taste and decency as freedom of speech issues, deflecting any criticism of vulgarity like this by pointing to their right to be disgusting if they want.

    While simultaneously assuming some sort of right to judge beneficiary mums on another thread. Interesting. You can be a decent human being or a vile bastard, as long as you’re making money. Life’s all about the money, apparently.

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  70. village idiot (748 comments) says:

    Epic

    Fail

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  71. James (1,338 comments) says:

    “You are smarter than this DPF. I usually respect your arguments as well thought out even if I often disagree with them. This however is an epic failure and far from your best work.”

    Actually it just may be his best post ever judging from all the blubbing greenies and other bedwetters its caused to pop up here having a cry…

    Greens have been trying to reduce the worlds populations for sometime now….usually poor black ones with hysterical bans on GE food,DDT,irradiated food etc etc.

    Paul Driessen wrote all about it in his book “Eco Imperialism:Green power Black death

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  72. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Grant Michael McKenna (608) Vote: Add rating 1 Subtract rating 0 Says:
    August 10th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Satire is not humour, it is not intended to be funny-..”

    as in..the daily show..?

    no grant..yr attitude just hearkens back to the maxim..

    ..that rightwingers have had a sense of humour bye-pass..

    the ‘satire’ by dpf being case in point..

    ‘mm..!..’kay..?”

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  73. getstaffed (9,186 comments) says:

    Life’s all about the money, apparently

    RMM introduces the subject of money on this thread(-jacking?), and then decrys anyone having any (except fellow socialists travellers I presume).

    From my experience, statements like the one above tend to come from bitter, envious people.

    Here’s a suggestion. Stop moaning about those with money and go an find someone without.. and help them. It would be entirely more useful.

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  74. KiwiGreg (3,259 comments) says:

    @ RRM “It amazes me how the Kiwiblog right shamelessly misrepresents issues of good taste and decency as freedom of speech issues”

    It’s a private blog. You actually have to come here and read it, it’s not been rammed down your throat. If you are at someone’s house and they start ranting about stuff you disagree with you can argue with them, or you can leave, you have no right to tell them to shut up.

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  75. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    “and then decrys anyone having any”

    Incorrect getstaffed. Read carefully: RRM decried rued people who consider their money-making capacity validates their rudeness.

    “(except fellow socialists travellers I presume).”

    Interesting presumption getstaffed. Please explain. I am gainfully employed in private enterprise and have never drawn any MSD benefit – hardly Kiwiblog’s classic “Socialist” strawman??

    “you have no right to tell them to shut up.”

    Kiwigreg, why do you think Farrar runs these threads if not to garner feedback? I did not tell him to shut up, only that what was said was a pretty sickening. As per getstaffed comments, please read more carefully. You are arguing a taste and decency problem as though it is a freedom of speech issue, exactly as I said.

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  76. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    The best thing about the Green Party isn’t mocking them, it’s watching their supporters wet themselves afterwards.

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  77. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    i can hear your mum calling you for dinner..hurf..

    off you go..!

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  78. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Had it an hour ago, phool.

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  79. RightNow (6,995 comments) says:

    Interesting that many people reading this post hesitated at first, since perhaps the greens may just be that crazy that this is something they could come up with. We know they are concerned about overpopulation, we know they have little concern for a foetus, we know many on their team value animals over humans.
    Anyone who claims this is sick needs to look at their own position on abortion. I’m sure some are genuinely sickened, but I am sure a whole lot more of you are having a kneejerk and don’t really believe there is anything wrong with selective abortions.

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  80. Galeandra (30 comments) says:

    DF was not admired by village idiot: “Nice glimpse into the mind of a mysoganist.”
    Course, others found him witty AND hilarious “Some of you people are sad sacks. The post is tagged under satire. God knows how you would moan about Jonathan Swiftt’s treatise on eating Irish babies.” said Brian (who would be Bigger).

    The sad fact is, though, that David has been a bit tasteless and for no good reason. Swift was scathing in his attack on those who would exploit the defenceless. David seems not to give a (cow)shit about the state of planet that those of us who have children would like to leave as legacy. He would rather jeer from afar. Fastidious as Swift, no, prissy maybe, but a Yahoo for all that.
    For sure Swift would resent the cheap plagiarism, and resent seeing his giant cloak trailed through Grub Street by wee David.

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  81. GJ (329 comments) says:

    With this sort of rubbish coming from the Greens the best thing for the country would be to eliminate the Green Party altogether and if you want a bonus get rid of all the idiots’ that continue to believe their lies!

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  82. jackp (668 comments) says:

    I think the greens are a good argument against mmp. Once they are out of Parliament, I will feel a whole lot better. I think the campaign against mmp needs to start now! Abortions, wow, which rock did they sliver out from underneath?

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  83. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    hilarious how eye-wateringly ‘dumb’..jackp/gj actually are..

    ..eh..?

    r/w s.o.h. byepass-at-birth-dictum…?..further confirmation..?..

    (as if we needed it..?..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  84. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    itiswhatitis [August 11th 8:02 am] & TimG_Oz [August 11th 11:18 am]

    Those links are both scary and revealing of the Green/One Worlders agenda. Namely, severe population control/reduction.

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  85. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    itiswhatitis 3:21 pm,

    Yeah, I’ve also heard the 500 million figure being quoted by the ‘One Worlders’. I did read somewhere also about the Georgia Guidestones – and their occultic links.

    One does have to start taking the Biblical end times account increasingly more serious. Especially in light of the moving towards a One World Government, one world laws, one world spirituality, the destruction of the autonomous nation state, increasing lawlessness/rebellion, increasing homosexuality, breakdown of the nuclear family, etc.

    I guess when you throw out the old Deity, the new deities come flooding in. eg humanism, earth worship [Gaia], and all the other false religions.

    Beam me up ‘Scotty’.

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  86. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..Beam me up ‘Scotty’..”

    (indeed..!..would that they could..eh..?..would that they could..)

    biblically-predicted-end-times..eh..?

    are you from the loony (religious) right..?..there..kkk..?

    ..or do i need to ask..?

    i could break down/laugh at yr ‘list of reasons’..

    ..but..y’know..!..yawn..!

    (save to say..thanks for the chuckle..

    ..and gizzayell when you plan to walk to the top of the mountain..eh..?

    y’know..!..to wait..?

    ..like in that simpsons episode..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  87. Razork (375 comments) says:

    Fantastic; Hilarious!

    I was thinking “Logan’s Run” as an experiement to achieve the same thing but the age threshold would need to be lifted to 65 i reckon.

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  88. jcuknz (704 comments) says:

    In his desire to send the Greens up I think DPF made a mistake steming from their suggested reduction in the dairy herds. A very sensible idea spoilt by the introduction of abortion/miscarraige which of course sets the feminists off quite justifiably, and other sensitive folk.

    The world doesn’t need the number of humans it currently has let alone the likely increases of the future. Better would be for the Greens to have suggested limited insemination in herds, which I gather has been normal practice for decades anyway, and then this could also be applied to humans. But I expect it will be a long time coming becuase humans are basically only out for themselves when it comes to the crunch, that is nature for you, and it will need a lemming like solution to force it upon them. It could well be that nature has already set humanity on a lemming like race to extinction.

    The problem with sensible ideas like this is that humans are born ‘empire builders’ and want their group to be the dominent one becuase until recent times we have lived in an expanding world, which it no longer is. Capitalism is based on expanding production, increase GNP, using up earth’s finite resources … then what? I imagine this sounds like ‘green talk’ though since I almost never read anything they produce I wouldn’t know … but it seems to be common sense to me.

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