igovt identity verification service

August 28th, 2009 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

Computerworld reports:

A review of igovt services has given the programme new legs with development continuing for a further two years at least.

Minister of Internal Affairs Nathan Guy says the government has agreed that the roll-out will continue following a review and a decision to “explore options for commercial sector involvement”.

Some parts of the programme, such as the igovt logon service, have already been delivered.

The igovt identity verification service (IVS) will go into operation later this year. This gives people a secure way of verifying their identity over the internet to access a range of government services.

“The review of the business case for the two igovt services shows that the programme is still viable, and the benefits are significant,” Guy says.

“The benefits over the 10 years from July 2009 are estimated to be between $321 million to $727 million from an investment of $65 million for the logon service, and between $320 million and $646 million from an investment of $57 million for the identity verification service.

I think there is huge potential if one can securely identify yourself to the Government online. Different agencies are doing some good stuff already. IRD now allows me to access huge amount of my tax info online. Ideally I’d love to also access my criminal/police record online, my ACC history, my hospital history etc.

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18 Responses to “igovt identity verification service”

  1. bearhunter (859 comments) says:

    Why are you whispering?

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  2. BLiP (28 comments) says:

    Although I’m a little uncomfortable about the “big brother” aspect, this igovt project has real potential for encouraging participation in elections/referenda especially amongst the young and home-bound. What a great Labour party iniative and great to see National Ltd along for the ride.

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  3. Repton (769 comments) says:

    Hmm, I haven’t heard of igovt before.

    It looks like OpenID for government departments: you go to a govt department website, click “log in”, and it sends you to igovt. You log in there, and igovt tells the original website “this is so-and-so”.

    This is interesting:

    Your igovt ID is made up of your name, your date of birth, your place of birth and your gender.

    I hope they have some way of dealing with collisions..

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  4. Uplander (46 comments) says:

    That is what ACC is for :<)

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  5. Rex Widerstrom (5,261 comments) says:

    We can securely identify ourselves to government online = we can securely vote online = we can have low-cost referenda with lower thresholds.

    Goodbye, arrogant pollies. Don’t bother collecting your gold-plated superannuation as the door hits you on the way out – that’ll be one of the first things we vote to remove.

    What’s the bet they’ll be slow to move in implementing e-voting though. Turkeys, Christmas, etc.

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  6. burt (7,812 comments) says:

    DPF

    Some parts of the programme, such as the igovt logon service, have already been delivered.

    Well, delivered… yes. Being used ???? Can you name one Govt service that is using it? Do you know the costs associated with using it??? Something needs to be done here and I don’t think the quality of govt spending in this area has been anything to brag about.

    Rex

    e-voting would seem like such a simple thing to do, the problem I see is that the web site that is used to vote can’t have subtle party advertising. It’s not likely the web site would ring me up (twice) on election day and ask me ‘Have you been to vote for Labour yet’ like the crooked team employed in the law of common sense electorate.

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  7. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    BLiP 1:27 pm,

    Although I’m a little uncomfortable about the “big brother” aspect, this igovt project has real potential for encouraging participation in elections/referenda especially amongst the young and home-bound. What a great Labour party iniative and great to see National Ltd along for the ride.

    If this is a Labour Party initiative, wouldn’t encouraging referenda fly in the face of Labour not allowing the recently held referendum to be part of the last election’s voting paper mail-out?

    I thought the last government did everything possible to discourage any form of public input.

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  8. Repton (769 comments) says:

    We can securely identify ourselves to government online = we can securely vote online = we can have low-cost referenda with lower thresholds.

    I don’t think so …

    iGovt could be a good option to allow technically-inclined people to interact with the government online, in the same way that online banking is an alternative way of dealing with the bank that is available to those that want it.

    But a referendum (or an election) needs to reach everyone –- including those without computers or internet access (they do still exist). Even allowing it as an option would have a distorting effect because it would be easier for people with internet access to vote than for others.

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  9. Rex Widerstrom (5,261 comments) says:

    burt:

    It’d be run by the Chief Electoral Officer, just like the “real life” polling booths. Anyone who tries electioneering round those usually gets a short shrift.

    He’s also need to buy up all the related URLs too. Say it was “evote.govt.nz” you’d want him to have “evote.co.nz” and so on… otherwise I can just imagine certain parties buying them up and using them to both collect votes that were never counted, harvest people’s logons (“phishing”) so they could vote on their behalf, and offering all sorts of other distractions.

    Most people probably wouldn’t be fooled though. The large banner ads from the EPMU, the thoroughbred industry and KFC would give it away :-D

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  10. Rex Widerstrom (5,261 comments) says:

    Repton:

    iGovt could be a good option to allow technically-inclined people to interact with the government online, in the same way that online banking is an alternative way of dealing with the bank that is available to those that want it.

    Oh yes, we’d still need polling booths for many years to come (or until we all get that ultra cheap, utra fast broaband we were promised! ;-) ) but presumably, to continue the bank analogy, the significant number of people who’d choose to use the internet would mean less branches (booths) and the voting could be by computer (punch in your logon on a touch screen, select your referendum answer the same way, so do-able even for Luddites) thus reducing the number of people needed for counting etc. So much cheaper.

    Even allowing it as an option would have a distorting effect because it would be easier for people with internet access to vote than for others.

    Provided there was an alternative method(s) of voting I’d say “tough”. If someone can’t get to a polling booth or their public library to use a terminal there, then their commitment to democracy is questionable, IMHO.

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  11. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    I can hardly wait (sargasm), the tin foil hat brigade will love this according to some theories 666

    First 6 No’s date of birth.
    Second 6 No’s, world location, GPS?
    Third 6 No’s regional tag?, govt No’s?

    all No’s added together and you belong to Satan. Not long to go now.

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  12. malcolm (2,000 comments) says:

    Elections New Zealand need a good kick up the arse for not sorting out online referendum voting by now.

    There’s any number of companies in NZ who could whip up a decent system for a fraction of the $9M spent on the last referendum. TradeMe probably setup for a fraction of that.

    They could get away with a fairly low-tech id system (it’s only a referendum after all – not like it counts for anything). Just off the top of my head, have some forgot-my-password type questions plus a mobile phone number on the re-enrolment form. After you’re re-enrolled, go online to check you can login ok. Two part login. First the questions, then a unique key gets sent to your mobile. Add a password at that stage for the next login.

    Then run the referendum. You only get the paper-and-post job if you explicitly ask for it.

    How hard could that be?

    cheers

    Malcolm

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  13. jims_whare (398 comments) says:

    Access your criminal record???…Might be a tad large to download methinks!!

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  14. burt (7,812 comments) says:

    side show bob

    Sounds like you are an avid fan of Barry Smith ?

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  15. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Thanks Burt will have to take a good look, never heard of Barry but I’m sure he wasn’t a fan or trusted big government, nor do I. Sometimes it seems if we are living on a runaway train, just look at all the crap going down at the moment, global warming bullshit, increasing bureaucracy and associated costs, increasing government (international control) i.e the smacking con, social engineering and the advancement of socialism, it’s all bad news.

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  16. ropata (117 comments) says:

    @Repton
    The govt logon service (GLS) has been tested and audited quite heavily. The project was a world first implementation of OASIS egov standards such as SAML2. The IVS which David is talking about is a broader project for the general public.

    [Disclaimer for SIS/GCSB readers: This information is already in the public domain]

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  17. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “I can hardly wait (sargasm), the tin foil hat brigade will love this according to some theories 666

    First 6 No’s date of birth.
    Second 6 No’s, world location, GPS?
    Third 6 No’s regional tag?, govt No’s?

    all No’s added together and you belong to Satan. Not long to go now.”

    You are aware of the New World Order promoted by G. Bush snr since 1991??

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  18. wikiriwhis business (3,883 comments) says:

    “Sounds like you are an avid fan of Barry Smith ?”

    Barry Smith’s perdictions mostly all came true.

    Just like this mans……..

    http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10593960

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