“The DPB Party” – great ideas by Tara te Heke
There’s been such a massive amount of welfare bashing lately I have been thinking more about the comments that you have all been making. I haven’t answered many of them as, well how can you stoop to the level of the general comments population of Kiwiblog?
So inspired by all your hatred, up late last night contemplating life, love and Sky TV, I have had the greatest idea I think like ever in my life.
Yesterday figures were released that showed there are now 104,000 on the DPB. What we all need is an advocacy group to ensure our futures are catered for and under MMP we can have it. We are a strong, powerful voting block under MMP.
There were 2,356,536 list votes at the 2008 general election, so 104,000 votes (and of course INCREASING), we currently could vote a 4.4% block, just under the 5% threshold. To get to 5% we would only need 117,827 votes (just 13,827 more) and based on current growth in membership to Club DPB, can we can get there? YES WE CAN.
Then once we had our 6 members of parliament The DPB Party could use it’s minority balance of power to get sustainable incomes for not only DPB recipients but all beneficiaries.
I could think of no better leaders of The DPB Party than Natasha Fuller and Jennifer Johnston.
Democracy at its finest would be National or Labour having to grovel to DPB recipients to keep their bums in the Beemers.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Tell me that I am dreaming!
Please.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:22 am
As a wise man once said “Democracy will only last long enough for 51% of the people to do over the other 49%” or words to that effect.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:22 am
FYI it’s already been done. It’s called the Green Party.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:24 am
They will have to get in quick, before Paula has that cup of coffee with Jennifer. Jennifer may end up joining the Nats – with her attitude (when all hell broke loose), she would seem to be more comfortable with National than Labour.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Tara’s a piss-take.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Tara we give you internet, Sky TV, a roof over your head and three squares a day for you and your family. And this is all we get?
August 18th, 2009 at 9:37 am
This has to be a joke.
I was buying the first few posts, but this is too over the top to be real.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:39 am
” andrei
As a wise man once said “Democracy will only last long enough for 51% of the people to do over the other 49%” or words to that effect.”
This isn’t a discussion on the smacking referendum.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Better be ready to ban international travel then.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Even if this post was serious, most DPB recipients I’ve known of over the years in West Auckland simply couldn’t get of their arses to organize a political movement – they live in a goldfish bowl world obsessing over thier petty squabbles and melodramas involving their raft of former partners and their fellow backbiting associates [Forgive me for the use of the word "partner", being the gender-neutral PC newspeak it is]
Most are simply content to get pissed twice a week and get some random cock thrown up them on a friday night.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:47 am
The last line of the post is already a key Labour election strategy isn’t it?
August 18th, 2009 at 9:48 am
this thing better disappear when DPF returns or im finding a new blog.
for someone that believes in a welfare state, this woman is making me rethink my stance.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Exactly Rakaia,
It is an old and very deliberate idea that Labour have been using for decades. Hence the 104,00 votes today and strident support for keeping the status quo on The Standard.
Just remember the parents with 10 kids on 86,000 will be worth 3 working nuclear families when the kids are old enough to vote.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:51 am
This is hilarious. “Bring back Mr Farrar! The substitute teacher’s mean!”
August 18th, 2009 at 9:55 am
no ryan, the substitue teacher is an idiot.
i dont come to kiwiblog to read snarky bullshit, if i wanted that, id go to the standard.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Damn, another post by Ms Heke. And here I thought Jake Heke had given you another bash, enough, this time to lose the use of your fingers. Ah well, we can still dream.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Tara, you can take that stupid prick Phool with you as well.
Make him your spokesperson on everything
August 18th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Dumb cunt.
[DPF: 20 demerits]
August 18th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Haven’t had such a good laaarrrrffffffff for a long time. Well done Tara. That’s a brilliant idea for it will finally sink Labour once and for all. Mind you, there’s an easier way. Just have Labour change it’s name and you’ll have all the same people anyway.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Fuck this is painful isnt it. The reason I haven’t commented much since DPF’s been gone.
DPF, if this is a windup, not funny David. Just painful.
Tara, if you are real, you are deranged.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Setting aside that this is all a piss take, I think you are mistaking disgust with hatred. They are two different feelings.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Either way, there’s a lot of anger.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Errrm, is anyone moderating these comments? Regardless of what one’s feelings are of Tara, calling anyone a dumb c**t is pretty offensive and has no place in a civilised debate.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Tara
Try gratitude instead of resentment. You will find it will get you a lot further.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:20 am
I’d call this “the revolution of the parasites”.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Yeah but I figured if Tara’s just going to post bullshit I might as well just call her a dumb cunt.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:24 am
National should actually take this seriously, I think the arrival of a DPB party might actually tip the balance in favour of permanent centre-right government.
At present, those votes almost exclusively roll up into Green and Labour electorates. An extra 4% is actually quite a powerful addition to the centre-left vote.
Take those votes out of the equation, as they don’t meet the 5% threshold, and you end up with a redistribution that favours National (given that one more vote for me is just as favourable as one less vote for my opponent).
Nice work, Tara.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:24 am
This is a really great idea, I mean seriously! If all of the DPB beneficiaires got together and formed a political party and then held the country that supports them to ransom we’d finally have the shake up of the benefit system that New Zealand so desperately needs! God it’s brilliant!! Now how to get started… oh that’s right, none of you can even find a job so I don’t know how you’re going to find the motivation to actually carry through this pipe dream. Damn, it had so much potential, just like all the people on the benefit.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:25 am
So it’s a good thing that the numbers of woman (mostly young, mostly maori) going on the DPB is increasing. More children being born into poverty and often abusive violent environments. It has been my experience of low lifes that they are more happy to drag people down to thier level than actually make an effort to improve themselves.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:31 am
But it is righteous anger. Like discovering the thief absconding with your TV set.
A word that can offend a cariacature. Interesting concept.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Sure Tara,
And we’ll all join the glorious DPB party, living happy, fulfilled lives until all of a sudden there’s no more DPB since no-one is working anymore… no work = no income = no tax = no money to fund dole bludgers.
It’s already been tried you silly bint – it’s called Communism and it failed.
ffs, get a life
David, I have been reading your blog for some 3 odd years now, enjoying some good political commentary and often insightful comments. I also appreciate the fact that you provide a good source of political news, often sadly lacking in the MSM.
However, Tara, whoever he/she/it is, is seriously pissing me off. The first few posts were interesting to read, but now it’s a waste of my time. Either she goes, or I do.
Rufus
August 18th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Am I the only one who thinks this joke is wearing a bit thin?
Am I the only one who thinks that DPF is being a bit insulting to those who made his blog the number one in the nation?
August 18th, 2009 at 10:41 am
You know Tara, it is often said in Pentecostal Churches that Jesus was the Messiah, and that somehow this is proof that the Bible is infallible – because He fulfilled all these prophecies in the Old Testament that the writers could not possibly have known about. If the Trinity and the Divinity of Jesus can be proven based on the Old Testament, then one would have to accept Him as their Lord and have a relationship with Him in order to be saved. So basically, the fact that Adolf Eichmann (the ‘architect of the Holocaust’ had accepted Jesus into his heart right before his execution meant that he would have been admitted straight into the Kingdom of God (Jesus having paid the full price), and the 6 million ‘Heathen’ Jews he killed, who did not have a ‘relationship with Jesus’ and who did not accept Him as their ‘Lord and Saviour’ (and in fact, being of the Judaic faith, would have flat out rejected this notion of Him being the Messiah) would be ‘separated from God for all eternity’ (Luke 11:25 – “Remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things; but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us”).
Jewish theology argues that Jesus was not the Messiah that was foretold by Isaiah and others because He failed to fulfil even the basic requirements of a Messiah. Take for example the following prophecies:
* The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)
* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
* The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)
* He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8-10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)
* The Messiah will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with “fear of God” (Isaiah 11:2)
* Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
* Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11)
* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
* All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
* Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
* There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
* All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
* The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
* He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52)
* Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
* The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
* The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
* Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39)
* The Temple will be rebuilt resuming many of the suspended mitzvot (Ezekiel 40)
* He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3)
* Jews will know the Torah without study (Jeremiah 31:33)
* He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)
All of this is supposed to happen during the lifetime of Israel’s Messiah. There is no concept of second return (a la Revelation) mentioned anywhere in the Old Testament. Peter expected Jesus to become King when He appeared before them, which is why he refused to believe that Jesus had to be crucified. Yet Jesus says to Peter: “get behind me Satan”. So the way modern Churches view Jesus today as the Messiah who fulfilled the Old Testament prophecy is not the way the 5000 who followed Him during His lifetime viewed Him (because they did not believe that He was going to die and say: “I’ll come back another time, in the meantime, here’s the Holy Spirit”). They had expected Him to establish His Kingdom there and then. And the way that modern Churches view Jesus today is not the way Judaism views Him, as Jews believe that, given a literal interpretation of the Old Testament, Jesus was not the foretold Messiah, failing to fulfil the prophecies above (which are yet to come).
So let’s move on to why the Jews of that time killed Jesus. Was it because they were just plainly cold hearted and jealous so did not want to believe that that He could die for our sins, as an atonement for their sins?
Deuteronomy 13 states: Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it. If there will arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of a dream, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder of which he spoke to you happens, and he says, “Let us go after other gods which you have not known, and let us worship them,” you shall not heed the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of a dream; for the Lord, your God, is testing you, to know whether you really love the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall follow the Lord, your God, fear Him, keep His commandments, heed His voice, worship Him, and cleave to Him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of a dream shall be put to death; because he spoke falsehood about the Lord, your God Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and Who redeemed you from the house of bondage, to lead you astray from the way in which the Lord, your God, commanded you to go; so shall you clear away the evil from your midst. If your brother, the son of your mother, tempts you in secret or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your embrace, or your friend, who is as your own soul saying, “Let us go and worship other gods, which neither you, nor your forefathers have known.” Of the gods of the peoples around you, near to you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth; You shall not desire him, and you shall not hearken to him; neither shall you pity him, have mercy upon him, nor shield him. But you shall surely kill him, your hand shall be the first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
Let’s not forget to mention the fact that God commanded in the Old Testament:
Deuteronomy 4:40 – So you shall keep His statutes and His commandments which I am giving you today, that it may go well with you and with your children after you, and that you may live long on the land which the Lord your God is giving you for all time.
Deuteronomy 11:1 – You shall therefore love the Lord your God, and always keep His charge, His statutes, His ordinances, and His commandments.
Deuteronomy 12:28 – Be careful to listen to all these words which I command you, in order that it may be well with you and your sons after you forever, for you will be doing what is good and right in the sight of the Lord your God.
Why exactly would these commandments not be binding forever and it be OK for all the Jews, Samaritans and Gentiles to suddenly worship Jesus when the Israelites didn’t know Him? Because God clearly commanded His people to only worship Himself only, who saved them from slavery in Egypt.
Why would God say that those commandments are forever if He was going to come back under human form and say: “nevermind all that guys, changed my mind, just believe in Me as your Lord and Saviour and all will be fine (by the way here’s a list of very drastic changes to your basic theology that will be further explained to you by non-Jews and now you’re all going to go to Hell instead of Heaven if you listen to what I told you before in the Old Testament – get on with the program)”. And please note that the place of Hell is a theological concept that came with Jesus – back in Old Testament times, people were simply destroyed.
God spent 1400+ years pounding the idea that He was One, perfect unity (indivisible and incapable of being diluted) into the mind of the Jews, and then the Christians expect them to believe that God said: “Oops, just kidding, I became a man even though that’s what I always said I wouldn’t or couldn’t do! It is now OK to worship a human because it’s really Me”!
Then Christians expect the Jews to believe that Jesus was the Messiah God sent to be accepted as an innocent human sacrifice for His people – please note that this is not the Jesus of Revelation riding on a white horse to defeat Satan – He was meant to come as is in the way He is described by… Guess who… John, the Holy Spirit ‘Jesus is the only way’ disciple, the ‘one whom He loved’, in Revelation (refer to the verses quoted above). Would God truly be so incapable of forgiving those who had followed Him all through the Old Testament, those whose relationship with Him was in complete contradiction to Jesus, without creating a stumbling block – telling them to suddenly forget everything Moses said, and instead adopt the ideas of the pagans, who had many demigods dying and being reborn and to worship Jesus?
The NT is in Greek, despite the fact that Jesus spoke Aramaic (see Mark, it quotes him speaking Aramaic during his teachings). Jesus probably couldn’t even speak Greek. So the only surviving record we have of him left is in Greek, written for a Greek audience (Aramaic phrases translated for their convenience, Jesus is called “the Logos” which is a 100% Greek philosophical idea found only in Greek texts) and calls him the “Son of God”, which was likewise a Greek concept (Emperors were called ‘sons of God’ as well). Couple this with the fact that all quotations of the Old Testament in the NT are from the Greek translation.
The teachings of Christ was somewhat coherent among the three synoptic gospels, but they do not agree at all on the virgin birth, or on the resurrection or ascension. Mark (the earliest gospel) has no virgin birth account, and Luke and Matthew have conflicting accounts and genealogies. All four gospels have different people going to the empty tomb (and Mark just ends at the empty tomb), and had differing accounts of what Christ did after he rose. Even Paul in all his letters does not mention an empty tomb, even when it would have helped his views.
So let’s focus on something that is obviously of important significance: What did Jesus say about all of this?
Jesus said to him: “Go, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord, and serve Him only’”.
And Jesus said to him: “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone”.
But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the Angels in Heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
Despite the writings of those wishing to paganise Old Testament Judaism and make Christ an idol, bits and pieces of the truth seep through. Christ was a mortal, just like all other humans, and he urged his followers to worship God only, saying: “Jesus answered: “The foremost is, ‘Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is One Lord; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind and strength’”. He emphasised to the blind man he healed or the lepers not to go and tell the Pharisees of His deeds, because He did not want to be known as the Son of God.
Let’s return to the list of prophecies one more time, now that we have a background understanding:
* The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)
The Sanhedrin (Pharisaic Courthouse) still existed during the lifetime of Jesus, and was dissolved long after His death, and hasn’t been reinstated after His death. He is supposed to be crowned King and the leaders of the world would go to him in Jerusalem to ask for guidance. Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then.
* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4) The whole world will worship the One God of Israel. (Isaiah 2:17)
The whole world is supposed to worship the God of Israel. Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then.
* Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then. Note that this comes in Revelation.
* Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11)
Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then.
* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
He is supposed to include and attract people from all nations during his lifetime. He wasn’t even able to attract anyone except a handful of ignorant Jews who knew nothing about Judaism or Mosaic law (this is not me being an asshole, that’s from the New Testament itself. All of a sudden everyone who was rescued from Egypt and formed Israel was suddenly wrong about God and Moses’ teachings became irrelevant).
* All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then.
* Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
Death will be swallowed up forever? People are still dying. Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then.
* There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
No more hunger, illness or death? Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then.
* All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
All the dead will rise again? Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then.
* The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
The Jews will experience eternal joy and gladness? Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then.
* He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52)
No religion has shed more blood in History than Christianity, not even Islam gets that title. Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then.
* Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
* The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
Nations will recognise the wrongs they did to the Jews and turn to them for spiritual guidance? Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then. Please note that if you are discarding these prophecies you are discarding the Old Testament.
* The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
* Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39)
* The Temple will be rebuilt resuming many of the suspended mitzvot (Ezekiel 40)
* He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3)
What about the ruined cities of Israel being restored or the fact that swords will be turned into ploughshares and there won’t be war anymore? Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then. The Temple still stood when he died, has been destroyed and hasn’t be rebuilt. The Messiah is supposed to rebuild the third Temple. Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then. Sacrifices are supposed to be reinstated in that Temple. Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then. The world is supposed to be perfected and the whole world is supposed to serve God. Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then.
* He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
* He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)
He will take barren lands and make them fruitful, give all the worthy desires of your heart. The Negev is still a desert and I don’t see people receiving their worthy desires. Didn’t happen. Hasn’t happened since then.
Most Christians get their beliefs probably from listening to a pastor at a Church, who in turn probably did the same. They believe that Jesus died and rose again, and that He’s alive in Heaven now. So He is still alive, in the Christian understanding. Completely ignoring the fact that the OT does not explicitly say that the prophecies didn’t have to be fulfilled in the Messiah’s Earthly lifetime. Christians assert that the prophecies have been fulfilled, ignoring the majority of them which say He’s going to rule over the Earth, and just pass them off by saying: “He’s going to come back when the rapture comes” – despite the fact that nowhere in Old Testament prophecy of this concept.
Where does it say in the Old Testament that there is such a thing as the second return. Old Testament prophecies describe what is going to happen once the Messiah is revealed and what will happen to the people who live in his generation. None of the above things happened during the lifetime of Jesus. Christians say: “Well He’s just going to come back”! Where does it say that he’s going to die and come back in the Old Testament? Nowhere. Please remember that the Gospels were a historical record of Jesus’ life, not prophetic books. And please note that a lot of the theology today which dominates mainstream Churches (which, I am reluctant to call theology given that a lot of it is just simply feel good romanticism) all stem from Paul’s letters. Now why would Paul teach all these things about Christ and the meaning of His dying as an atonement for our sins, when Jesus Himself never emphasised these things? Pentecostal faith is heavily dependent on the Book of Romans – the whole ‘relationship with God’ ideology, whereas everything Jesus ever talked about represented good works. So when I hear in Church: “being a Christian is about having a relationship with God, not good works” – this is in fact following Paul’s teachings, whereas Jesus often accepted those who knew nothing about God, such as little children, saying the Kingdom of God is theirs, not saying: “without a relationship with Me, you will not get to Heaven”.
So, if Jesus is indeed the Messiah and He is going to come back and do what He’s supposed to do sometime in the future (Revelation), why are Jews doomed to Hell for rejecting Him when He clearly did nothing He was supposed to do in terms of Old Testament prophecy?
I mean, what are your thoughts on that Tara?
August 18th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Farra’s playing with us and delighting in making us fools to his game, all the while tucking away our responses as part of his ‘how far can National push it before they rebel’ research.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:43 am
BB – IMHO no, you’re not.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:44 am
I don’t really get the idea of righteous anger. Anger of any kind is not very constructive.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Speaking as one of those suckers who fell hook, line and sinker for both Forgotten Silver and An Inconvenient Truth, I’m now feeling rather embarrassed to have welcomed Tara to Kiwiblog as a genuine contributor.
Her repeated mentionings of Sky TV are beyond shameless and therefore (surely?) beyond credible. And her writing style varies.
I suspect she’s the creation of a Cactus Kate – or maybe a leftie journo looking to ‘prove’ the rabidity of the Kiwiblog Right.
(Edit: Or John, perhaps it’s Trevor Mallard….or….or…., covered enough bases?)
August 18th, 2009 at 10:50 am
I second your 10.38 bruv.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:53 am
The saddest thing about Tara’s views is her attitude of entitlement and the real jealousy she exudes towards the “doing-well” non beneficiary. Why she’s unable to perceive – even remotely – the yawning inconsistency between her own hand-out-accepting philosophy and the nonsense of her pious stance of even more deserving entitlement is the very reason she is where she is. Most would feel discomfort in perceiving themselves sustained by the efforts of others – whereas she does not.
While not exclusively Maori, there seems to be many more Maori than non-Maori ready to express such attitudes – and the weirdest thing of all is that, in doing so, they actually think they’re being smart and impressing those to whom they’re boasting. Tara’s diction bespeaks education – how did she let herself become a prostitute to the situation she so happily advances.
Frankly, I can only pity the waste she’s made of herself – the way she shames herself and others like her.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:54 am
“What we all need is an advocacy group to ensure our futures are catered for and under MMP we can have it.”
Some fucking future.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Ryan,
“I don’t really get the idea of righteous anger. Anger of any kind is not very constructive.”
But anger is still a necessary and appropriate response to wrong.
All very well to renounce anger in theory, but try it in practice when someone enters your house and tries to nick off with stuff, or tries it on with your family.
Anger, in the right context, is good.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:57 am
“I suspect she’s the creation of a Cactus Kate – or maybe a leftie journo looking to ‘prove’ the rabidity of the Kiwiblog Right.”
If this is the case then the point has been proved. There is definately a few posters here that seem unable to engage in constructive debate and resort to name calling and hate-filled words (like calling someone a c**t). I’m off to find a forum where people behave like adults.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Saint Gaudiosus of Naples (Gaudiosus the African) was a bishop of Abitina (Abitine, Abitinia) in Africa Province during the 5th century. Abitina was a village near Carthage in present-day western Tunisia.
Born Septimius Celius Gaudiosus, he fled North Africa during the persecutions of Genseric in a leaky boat and arrived at Naples with other exiled churchmen, including the bishop of Carthage, who was named Quodvultdeus. Arriving around 439 AD, he established himself on the acropolis of Naples.
The introduction of the Augustinian Rule into Naples is attributed to him as well as the introduction of some relics, including those of Saint Restituta.
Gaudiosus’ relics were later buried in the Catacombs of San Gennaro in the 6th century. One of the cemeteries of these catacombs, San Gaudioso, refers to Gaudiosus.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Yeah, fuck off you religious cunt.
(Edit: Demerit points Ruby if we knew how to give them out)
August 18th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Seriously, David’s deliberate refusal to explain this dumb bitch poster is fucking ridiculous.(David is on holiday)
And if this (edited – we don’t reveal your identity Ruby) trying to be funny then she should stick to the posting crap about married men department. Humour is clearly not one of her skills.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:08 am
see ya phil!
August 18th, 2009 at 11:09 am
I’m not religious ruby, just a mature adult. You should try it sometime.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:16 am
The fatal flaw with your scheme Tara is that few of them would get off their arses and vote.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Many, I hope “Tara’s” idea comes to fruition. If that happened, there would be but one solution: Revolution. I’m game.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Ruby 10:41am: WTF?
August 18th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Ruby 10:41am: WTF?
Ruby=Stan=Jesus Crux
[DPF: Yes]
August 18th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Amazing how you can take time out of your busy day to think of this wonderfull schemme.
Get a job, put some effort into that.
August 18th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Heh. I like the idea. And next after a political party will be secession from the government, and a socialist utopia consisting of only those on the DPB. What’s that, you don’t think that will work? Why not, surely everyone deserves, in fact is entitled, to go on the DPB?
August 18th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
It’s just SPAM!
just delete and read the next post.
August 18th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
This is a plot (by someone…don’t know who!) to get us all in a froth over social welfare (more so than we normally are). Is it a coincidence that we have Tara posting on Kiwiblog at the same time as more regular than usual revelations shouting at us from the pages of the NZ Herald about social welfare beneficiaries, how many there are, what they get etc etc.
August 18th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Rufus,
Well, I didn’t say it is easy. That’s like saying, “It’s all very well being moral in theory, but try it in practice when you really want to do something wrong.”
Anger, in those contexts, is understandable, but that doesn’t make it good. Very few good things ever come out of anger, and very many bad things come out of it.
August 18th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Anger is a misunderstood emotion. People who survive catastrophes often are angry. Their anger at whatever circumstances led them to be in danger helps them survive, drives them to save themselves and others and so on.
August 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
So inspired by all your hatred, up late last night contemplating life, love and Sky TV, I have had the greatest idea I think like ever in my life.
A piece of advice; stop thinking, keep drinking.
PS You wouldn’t be allowed to wear your PJs and animal slippers to sittings of the House, although they do have quite a nice front lawn for your caucus to sit around with their pizza boxes and Lion Rouge….
August 18th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Voting should be restricted to net taxpayers, otherwise you get effects like this of groups of people voting to put their hands into other people’s pockets.
To make it fair to people who are temporarily out of work, whatever, you could make it “net taxpayer over their lives (or time in NZ)”
It’s about time someone tried running a country on this principle. It wouldn’t mean that there would be no benefits, but it would stop the kinds of rorts that happen now. And it’s deeply moral, despite what the outraged people would say. Why does anyone have the right to put their hands into other people’s pockets?
August 18th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Hasn’t anyone caught on yet? Tara te Heke sounds very close to What the Heck from where I sit.
August 18th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
“No tag for this post”, may I suggest satire.
August 18th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Very effective satire too….
August 18th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
“Voting should be restricted to net taxpayers, otherwise you get effects like this of groups of people voting to put their hands into other people’s pockets.
To make it fair to people who are temporarily out of work, whatever, you could make it “net taxpayer over their lives (or time in NZ)”
The crux of the problem you describe is Democracy itself….which is just mob rule and a more “acceptable” form of tryanny.
Democracy is NOT freedom…..people need to wake up to this oh so vital fact.
August 18th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I think its actually fucking appalling that your level of satire is to imitate a supposed ‘bludger’
What is the point?
Yeh people cheat the benefit, does that mean it should stop? no.
Do I think those cheating it shouldnt be allowed it? Yes
August 18th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Democracy slows down the mob just long enough for its constituents to have to consider the outcome of their actions.
August 18th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
“The crux of the problem you describe is Democracy itself”
True. As someone said words to the effect : democracy is the worst system, apart from all the others.
It would be worth trying the system I proposed (not only me – it’s not a new idea) – I’d consider moving there.
Government is basically a system of the group paying for communal services. People lose sight of this. In fact, Labour’s idea was to try to turn it so that people thought that government was some kind of benevolent charity, where everyone can get a “benefit”.
It’s a way of getting the services that we all need, and that we all pay for. Services that include caring for the unemployed, sick, etc.
But we should never lose sight of the fact that all government spending comes from private enterprise of one form or another.
August 18th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
The fact that so few people are unable to recognize such an obvious piece of sarcastic button-pushing is kind of sad.
August 18th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
I’m still struggling to see the joke.
August 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
I’ve been on a benefit, several times in my life. I couldn’t wait to get off of it.
If this is a satire on beneficiaries, it’s disgusting. It’s not funny or clever or intelligent or even well written and it panders to simplistic stereotypes.
If this is genuinely a beneficiary, claiming to speak for and typify all beneficiaries, it’s disgusting.
Whether you choose to live a life of indolence, mocking those who provide for your upkeep, is your business. But by implying you’re representative of, and even some sort of spokesperson for, others on a benefit you are inflicting on them the opprobrium you clearly deserve, whereas many of them do not.
August 18th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Memo to DPF
Next time you go away please invite Rex to be one of your guest bloggers.
August 18th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Ouch, a Rex smackdown!
I agree with bruv. Invite someone the calibre of Rex to guest blog.
Sir Roger Douglas would have been great too
August 18th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
“Government is basically a system of the group paying for communal services. People lose sight of this. In fact, Labour’s idea was to try to turn it so that people thought that government was some kind of benevolent charity, where everyone can get a “benefit”.
Wrong.Government is created by the people to protect their pre existing natural, individual rights….nothing else.To that end the Govenment should only run the Military,the Police and the courts….nothing else.If it does involve itself in other services it must by default become a rights violator itself…..and the worst one as history proves.When the State starts picking winners to benefit from its largess (stolen from the taxpayer) it also creates losers by default.
“It’s a way of getting the services that we all need, and that we all pay for. Services that include caring for the unemployed, sick, etc.”
Those are not the Governments legitimate roles….they are services that should be provided by the free market through benevolent giving…..not coercive taxation.
August 18th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Government is the organisation that rules a state. While we’ve all got our own opinions on exactly what that role should encompass, in objective terms there is no correct limit to the size and function of government. Morally and functionally that will be determined by those who control government, and in a democracy that’s supposedly the electorate.
August 18th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
“Tara’s a piss-take!”
etc
Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_denial
August 18th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
RRM, if you are denying “Tara’s a piss-take” you definitely qualify for Freud’s label.
The trouble with Tara is that she is a bad fake and neither funny nor thought-provoking – at least not provoking any useful thoughts beyond a vague desire to lock her in a room with Philu.
August 18th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
I dont know if you have ever worked Tara, but sadly people like you view the dole and DPB as a right, not a gift. For those who have paid their taxes(pensioners etc), their benefit is a right.
But, for people like you, it should only be a loan until you can get back on your feet, or till your kids go to school and you can work. You should pay the money back and tell the father of your children to pay their upkeep.
The money you get is part of my taxes. I work my butt off to pay the tax when its due, and I dont appreciate your smartass attempt to wind people up when we are all struggling.
Oh, you might think its funny to read all the feedback, but its not. You need to take a good hard look at yourself and bloody well appreciate where your money is coming from.
August 18th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
what is tragic/funny is how many of you numbnuts still think this is a real person..
..it is quite surreal to read your impassioned responses..
..to a chimera..
heh..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
August 18th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
It will never work.
Once they are elected to parliament, they will have to come OFF the DPB, therefore, they will no longer be truly representative of the masses still on the DPB, therfore, the next ones on the party list will have to step up, and lose the DPB………
The flaw in the plan!
August 18th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
The traumatic transition from being paid by the taxpayer to fuck around… to being a politician.
August 18th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Wasn’t Bradford the pres of the unemployed workers union or some such? Bet she was being paid.
August 18th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Alan Wilkinson
“The trouble with Tara is that she is a bad fake and neither funny nor thought-provoking – at least not provoking any useful thoughts beyond a vague desire to lock her in a room with Philu”
hear-hear
August 18th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Can’t beleive how many have been sucked in by Tara.aka Busted Blonde of Raw Prawn Fame. Busted on Sunday if you were watching. Ha Ha ha.
August 18th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
“Government is the organisation that rules a state. While we’ve all got our own opinions on exactly what that role should encompass, in objective terms there is no correct limit to the size and function of government.”
Crap.The limit is clearly set by reference to the thing that the State exists to serve and protect….the human individuals natural rights.If the states action is not to protect these rights that action is wrong and must cease.
“Morally and functionally that will be determined by those who control government, and in a democracy that’s supposedly the electorate.”
The States role already set by the facts of mans nature as man and the nessessity to protect his rights if he is to live as a human being is supposed to as set by his nature. That role is not up for the vote…..
August 18th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Who sets the “reference to the thing that the State exists to serve and protect”?
“The States role already set by the facts of mans nature as man and the nessessity to protect his rights if he is to live as a human being is supposed to as set by his nature. That role is not up for the vote…..”
I actually agree with your sentiments, Mans nature and instincts do dictate what form of society is acceptable to him, and if you actually look around you there are plenty of people who apparently find acceptable the society that we are living in.
August 18th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Whether “Tara te Heke” is in reality on the DPB or the top tax bracket is ultimately irrelevant.
“She” is now posting increasingly inciteful (as opposed to insightful) comments and they keep getting swallowed by the masses. And it seems they have generated more attention and commentary than any other guest poster.
Regardless of her secret identity, she’s managed to get and hold the attention of a large number of people and even got them to respond; in advertising terms a success. Anyone really wanted to protest what they believe is a sham guest posting flamebait should really take a holiday from the blog instead of coming back at regular intervals to share their righteous indignation. The former would be far more effective.
August 18th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Phool,
Once we laughed at your drug induced comments and stupidity.
Nobody cares about you now.
They did not care today, they did not care yesterday and they will not care tomorrow.
They did not care last week and they will not care next week.
They did not care last year, they do not care this year and they will not care next year.
You are a stupid prick.
August 18th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
“I actually agree with your sentiments, Mans nature and instincts do dictate what form of society is acceptable to him, and if you actually look around you there are plenty of people who apparently find acceptable the society that we are living in.”
And they are wrong.They may find it acceptable but its at the expense of those who don’t….and who’s rights are being violated to satisfy the others.We sorted out slavery,womens rights etc…..we need to sort out the State and its legitimate role in our lives.
August 18th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
I don’t think Tara is an idiot because she can really get you guys/gals worked up … a pretty shrewd operator …I’m all for keeping her David.
August 18th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
“rights” are whatever people want them to be, lefties also like to claim “rights” – all just more self-serving BS.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
I think Tara and David are having a huge laugh at the expense of the ‘troll farm’.
August 18th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
“rights” are whatever people want them to be, lefties also like to claim “rights” – all just more self-serving BS.”
Wrong again.Rights are moral sactions to freedom of action in a social context.They are instilled in us by virtue of being born as species man. We don’t get to pick what are rights and what aren’t….objective reality has already determined this in the makeup of our nature.
Best explanation here
http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=arc_ayn_rand_man_rights
August 18th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
hilarious!!! best joke all week is all the comments with no sense of humour!!!
August 18th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
“I don’t think Tara is an idiot because she can really get you guys/gals worked up … a pretty shrewd operator …I’m all for keeping her David.”
I second that
But Rubies a strange one
What on earth does all that theology have to do with Tara.
The prohecies Ruby raises are still for the future. Especially to do with Israel.
There were some good points, such as Paul never mentioning Christs tomb. He definitely teaches the resurrection
And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
(1 Corinthians 15:14)
Rubies reference that not all Jews have returned to Israel is probably correct but a mute point.
Israel became a state in one day according to the scriptures in 1948 and Jews have been returning ever since. Common knowledge.
And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Ezekiel 37.21
August 18th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
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August 18th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Are you the same James that I was debating with on this thread:
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/03/the_libertarian_debate.html
If so there doesn’t seem to be much point in covering the same ground again.
August 18th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Come on then Tara.
In order to win a sizeable chunk of the overall electorate, and not just rely on the DPB regulars what policies would you propose?
Bearing in mind the current Financial Storm that surrounds us?
So how about 10 policies for the DPB beneficiaries, and 10 to sway the rest of the electorate.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
If anyone finds themselves all the way down here at the bottom of this thread…. I have it sorted.
I have been reading Miss Tara’s comments and I have refrained from saying anything.
However tonight I will reveal all, there can be only one person writing such things…….
CACTUS KATE!!!
No one else has the brain, DPF wouldn’t let some dpb low life write such stuff, so I pin CACTUS!!
nice.
August 18th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Michaels…..
Possible and good correlation. the flair and style is definitely there
Let’s remember, there are those National members who pretended to be Maori beneficiaries in the past. (negative karma for that but sadly true)
But I hope not.
I want Tara to be real. An intelligent Maori woman who can define and comprehensively describe her real life frustrations. It doesn’t happen often from Maori’s and their sincere feedback need’s attention. although she sounds like she needs to get off her arse and jog it hard.
Plus, what a cop out from a usually classy and entertaining politically educated female such as Cactus.
This would be below her and unneeded considering her blogging talent.
But from the start I have quietly questioned where David found Tara.
anyone seen her in the blogosphere?
August 19th, 2009 at 12:10 am
Like many of us, I didn’t take the first “Tara post” as a wind up. Then, amongst other things, the references to Sky TV just seemed all a bit too much.
I have previously suggested that Cactus Kate had a hand in this. However, I doubt that neither DPF or National can afford her hourly rate.
The Tara posts are a surprise, and a disappointment. I visit this blog to read and engage in discussion with like-minded souls, and our opposites (and whatever sits in between – even you philu).
This is how KiwiBlog has done so well, and DPF has built a good reputation through it, and is frequently called upon by the MSM to comment on topical issues.
Just my opinion, but a set-up like this seems bizarre and an act of poor judgement. And I think it will harm the reputation DPF has built.
And I suspect, if anything, that the “Tara posts” are an experimental research tool for National as it looks to overhaul the social welfare system.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:09 am
got it all wrong noskire. Well me thinks anyway.
however…….
Polls
Who was your favourite guest poster?
* Jadis (58%, 14 Votes)
* Peter Gibbons (21%, 5 Votes)
* Tara te Heke (21%, 5 Votes)
* The Bride (0%, 0 Votes)
Bad polling Cactus, guess you got up the nose of some.
I’m sure that can be fixed by the time I rise in the morning and by the time you go to bed tonight.
August 19th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Hmph,
beneficiaries already have effective advocates in parliament – have had for decades. And the politicians are already well aware of their voting power. Most New Zealanders want and vote for free or subsidized stuff. That is why we have big expensive centrist governments. The economic cycle amounts to sprees of begging, borrowing and looting (mostly via government) until the productive workers run out of available cash. Then we have a burst bubble followed by a recession.
August 19th, 2009 at 9:41 am
This is like the Jerry Springer show!
Get some idiot to make some comment that will anger most people and stand back and watch! With the odd stirring of the pot of course.
Then sell the advertising space…
August 19th, 2009 at 9:47 am
heh-heh..!..glutey still thinks she is real..
..anyone wanna sell him a bridge..?
..he loves to boast about how rich he is..
..(inherited..?..d’yareckon..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
August 19th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
This blog is in very real danger of jumping the shark…..
August 19th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Peter,
I think you should wait until a precocious young child starts posting before calling it.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Like America’s Top Model with their “OMG it’s a guy!” ploy. That has to be the most obvious “jumping of the shark” I’ve seen yet.
In terms of the poll, I voted for Tara as my favourite blogger, simply because she very effectively flushed out the worst of the ‘sewer’ quite effectively. That takes some skill.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
I thought all of the guest posters were great. Cool selection not just of views, but also of form. They posted about different things, from different perspectives, and also in different ways. Fun times.
August 19th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Castle-Hughes?
August 19th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Yes there were some very interesting insights into question time. I liked those posts. Speaking of question time, it’s only 10 minutes away. Goody!
August 19th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Steve, you cared enough to post that. If you really don’t care, just ignore him. Don’t respond. Eventually he’ll get bored and fade away to a world filled with ellipses and one line blog entries.
August 20th, 2009 at 5:39 am
Andrew W: “Are you the same James that I was debating with on this thread:
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/03/the_libertarian_debate.html
If so there doesn’t seem to be much point in covering the same ground again.”
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True…..reality is still just that,man is still man and facts are still facts……;-)