Winning over the voters one at a time

March 16th, 2010 at 11:21 am by David Farrar

BoomTownPrat blogs:

I had a great weekend in Auckland. The most wonderful Pixies on Friday with exceptional friends and then a couple of days with family et al.

Now I have a beautiful and very patient wife and three children, the children are 4, 3 and 2! Travelling is not easy, but I am of the firm belief that practice makes perfect. We travel often and prefer to fly as it is quick. With my work I also fly frequently, as does my wife. We therefore use Koru and Gold Elite to our advantage and when we fly we are seated up the front of the plane. That’s the way it works. I have been loyal to Air NZ and as a result,a 1 or 2 row seat, on a domestic flight is a benefit. With my family my flights are paid with post tax income.

I am also a row 1 or 2 person.

Tonight the 1900 flight to Wellington (Home) was busy. I sat down in row 2 EF with my daughter and my wife, daughter (1D), and son (1F) sat in front of us. Behind me in 3F (Chauvel) and friend in 3 E. Pause to get the picture. So most of my family are in front and Mr Chauvel is to my right and behind in Row 3. I can hear most of what he says though the middle seat gap as can my 3 year old in 2 F

The flight takes off, my kids make a bit of noise. The usual kid stuff, no one blinks( except a muffled rumbling behind …..seat 3F) My kids can perform, you may have heard them! But tonight they were fine. The odd squawk a few yells and disagreements but nothing that your average person on a short domestic flight could dismiss undercover of an insipid tea, a packet of crisps and a magazine.

Not 3F (MR LABOUR LIST MP). 20 minutes into the flight I hear the first, hissed,,,,,”Will you just shut up!” This I think was directed at my 2 year old in row 1. I hear it well given my position. I think he doesn’t realise that that object of his ire has a father directly in front.

I’ve once or twice asked a child to be quiet, and always ask politely. Yelling shut up at someone else’s kids is unwise for anyone – let alone an MP.

40 minutes a more vocal…..”Will you just shut up!”

At this point I got angry and sarcastically told my kids to be quiet as there were very important men behind us who needed their peace.

We start to land when my 2 year old gets some ear pain and cries. A bit like a baby, not to intense. At this point 3F lets out his true feelings and prejudices as he turns to his friend in 3E and says……..” I DONT KNOW WHY THEY LET THEM UP THERE”

God forbid parents with kids are now allowed at the front of the bus plane.

Anyway, here is the irony:

Some Points to Mr Chauvel in 3 F.

The “them” you refer to, is me, the voter.

I vote in .

I paid for my seat….did you?

Those children you despise, will probably pay for your superannuation.

And Lastly Mr Chauvel in 3 F, I pay your salary, I would prefer it if you and your friend did not verbally abuse my 2 year old in front of my 3 year old.

I have no reason to construct this. This is what happened. This is how a Labour front bencher acted in public, when his party is on 30% in the polls, when the accusations of “out of touch” are still ripe and the electorate is still trying to digest the “many but the few” mantra.

I suspect the numbers of voters in Ohariu that Charles has alienated is far more than the father and mother. Imagine how many of their friends and neighbours will be told the story over the next two years.

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133 Responses to “Winning over the voters one at a time”

  1. MikeNZ (3,234 comments) says:

    I’m with Charles, noisy kids are a pain.
    They should be forced to sit with their parents in one part of the plane away from those who don’t like noisy kids.
    Maybe the wings?

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  2. Auberon (873 comments) says:

    Same old Champagne Charlie – nothing changes.

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  3. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    Imagine how many of their friends and neighbours will be told the story over the next two years.

    Imagine how many of those friends and neighbours will be reminded of all the annoying babies *they’ve* had to cope with! Still, not very savy of Charles.

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  4. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    No comment on this story as I wasn’t there and haven’t heard any of the other sides, but I will say this: A lot of parents are prepared to accept bad and disruptive behaviour from their kids and after a while they think this is normal and others should just put up with it or be similarly charmed by the kids. We are not.

    Babies are different of course. They cannot be reasoned with and this is just bad luck which everyone must suffer. But 4 years old? No, they can be told and if they can’t then I blame the parents every time.

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  5. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    I bet your beautiful and very patient wife doesn’t believe she has only three children.

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  6. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    Whether it was Charles Chauvel or Charles Chaplin …

    What is appalling about this, going by the account given here, is a 41 year-old man speaking in such a manner to small children not his own.

    I would have expected that a person annoyed by the sounds of small children being excited or noisy to have addressed his concerns to the parent or parents. That’s what I would have expected in that position.

    Directing comments straight at the children is cowardly and bullying. It also is disrespectful to the parents.

    It will be interesting to see what Mr Chauvel has to say about himself. Perhaps he could be asked why he didn’t speak to the parents first.

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  7. poneke (280 comments) says:

    What snivelling rubbish.

    And what utter hypocrisy.

    Heine’s mate Cactus Kate often attacks parents who take children on planes.

    [DPF: So what. Kate is not an MP.]

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  8. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    /Sweeping generalisation alert/

    If kids are misbehaving/disruptive to the point that you consider asking their parents to do something, you’ll likely get an unpleasant response from the parent. They think it’s OK, otherwise they would have already done something. As compensation you will have the satisfaction of knowing that you have correctly identified another piss-poor parent.

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  9. anonymouse (715 comments) says:

    Now on Stuff

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3457144/MP-complains-about-noisy-toddler

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  10. ben (2,379 comments) says:

    On the front page of Stuff now, and according to BTP’s comments it looks like Close Up is going to do a story.

    God you can’t get away with much when you’re an MP!

    Correction: you can’t say a wrong word to parents on a plane, but pay $200 million too much for a railway set, and get a seat on the board. FUBAR.

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  11. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    I see that he has given his side of the story on stuff.co.nz

    According to him, the parent is a Act voter and blogger (he knows this how? And John Hartvelt of suff doesn’t appear to have asked.)

    He denies speaking to the child direct.

    And he says the everybody else was annoyed, too. (He knows that how?)

    A Labour MP denies he overstepped the mark by saying “I wish those kids would shut up” about a noisy two-year-old on an Air New Zealand flight.

    A right-winger blogger said Charles Chauvel had said three times, increasingly loudly, during a Sunday night flight to Wellington that he wished the child sitting in front of him would “shut up”.

    The blogger, who called himself “boomtownprat” and wrote on the website of “Clint Heine and friends”, said after the second audible admonishment, he had become annoyed.

    “At this point I got angry and sarcastically told my kids to be quiet as there were very important men behind us who needed their peace,” the blogger wrote.

    When they started to land and his child got louder, the blogger wrote that Mr Chauvel had said: “I don’t know why they let them up here.”

    Mr Chauvel this morning denied he had said anything other than a single comment to his partner, who was sitting next to him on the plane.

    “I certainly was on a flight with some pretty badly behaved kids and I did turn to my partner and say, ‘gee, I wish those kids would shut up’,” Mr Chauvel said.

    “I didn’t realise that an Act Party blogger was their parent. So I guess if you want to make a story of it, there you go.”

    He had not repeated three times that he wished the child would shut up, as the blogger had alleged.

    The kids were “very noisy”.

    “I think everybody around us was pretty annoyed by their behaviour.”

    He had not implied that children should not be allowed up the front of the plane.

    Mr Chauvel said it had been “a particularly interesting flight”.

    “They weren’t being outrageous, they were just being really noisy,” he said.

    “It would have been nice if the parents had kept the kids better amused rather than behaving the way they were. … I think these kids were making more noise than normal.

    “Most of the people on the plane agreed with me.

    “If that’s something that I shouldn’t have done then there we go.”

    Mr Chauvel said he hadn’t realised that the father of the children was “an Act activist” and it seemed like a bit of a beat up.

    “I just don’t think it’s important, do you?”

    Mr Chauvel was critical of Energy Minister Gerry Brownlee last year, after Mr Brownlee’s political advisor posted disparaging comments about the Earth Hour campaign on the social networking site Facebook.

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  12. Loco Burro (32 comments) says:

    Do we really need people dredging up stories of politicians they are opposed to. I am sure every MP in parliament has at one stage or another lost their cool, done something a bit foolish, etc etc……. They are human. Come on.

    The fact that this is the main story on the front page of stuff.co.nz (currently) is just sad. Everyone gets a bit annoyed at kids misbehaving on planes, its hardly a massive news story.

    I hope that we will not see a huge increase in people blathering on about every politician they have seen down the road, “ohhh Bill English bought the expensive brand of peaches at the dairy yesterday what a bastard, he hates the poor” “Arggh I saw Keith Locke swearing at a hammer when he smashed his thumb, how awful” “Good god John Boscawen kinda cut me off on the motorway today, there is no way he should be an MP” “Jacinda Ardern was scowling when she went to her letterbox, she must hate New Zealand”………. and on and on and on.

    Seriously!?!?!?! This is rubbish.

    [DPF: Well Labour can hardly complain as their own MPs do the same. Grant Robertson blogged about Steven Joyce text messaging during some road opening. If Labour MPs are going to blog that stuff, no surprise non MPs will do the same]

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  13. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    And what utter hypocrisy.

    Heine’s mate Cactus Kate often attacks parents who take children on planes.

    So you should only be friends with people who share your views 100%? And if your friend takes a POV on a new issue, you need to follow suit?

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  14. redqueen (562 comments) says:

    Having to see a sign of him in the Woolworth’s carpark in Tawa, in an empty shop window, as ‘Member for Ohariu’ makes it rather annoying. While people often complain about children, and I’ve sat through both trans-Atlantic and trans-Pacific flights between two parents with infants, I find the complaint self-centred. Yes, it’s an absolute pain to have to hear the noise, but they’re children and the ‘I shouldn’t have to suffer because of someone else’s choices’ has become a mantra for selfishness. You shouldn’t have to die because someone else chooses to shoot you? Yes. But you should have some priviledge on a flight? No, it’s a contractual agreement between you and the airline and they let parents onboard with infants. Don’t like that? Tough. That Mr Chauvel feels so compelled to be rude, even when he is facing a child, is quite pathetic. While parents can often be self-centred themselves, that’s the nature of life, but if anything this just goes to prove one of Labour’s core principles: that two wrongs make a right.

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  15. Inventory2 (10,337 comments) says:

    poneke said

    What snivelling rubbish.

    And what utter hypocrisy.

    Heine’s mate Cactus Kate often attacks parents who take children on planes.

    One slight difference Poneke. Cactus Kate is not an elected representative, flying on taxpayer-funded flights on a taxpayer-funded salary. Charles Chauvel is.

    Chauvel’s behaviour does nothing to diminish the perception that he and his mates in Labour (and some from all parties) see themselves as better than the rest of us. Perhaps that explains John Key’s appeal.

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  16. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    Also – having flown with small kids (who were pretty good on the whole) I can attest that those long trips can get pretty frustrating for little kids who want/need to be active. But even the best of behaved kids, and almost certainly most babies and toddlers, suffer from ear ache when flying and let the world know about it the only way little kids can – by crying. Unless you ban small children, you will always get crying on planes.

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  17. m@tt (629 comments) says:

    It’s a pity the BoomTownPrat didn’t have a recording device on him, like Kees Keizer did.
    Nice to see you now endorse the repetition of alleged comments made by MP’s though.

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  18. Biomag83 (94 comments) says:

    That Charles Chavel is the most self centered guy round. Typical he is anti family and Anti Children.

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  19. voice of reason (490 comments) says:

    What a load of pointless crap. If boomtownprat had any guts he would have remonstrated with Shovel Chauvel at the time, instead he tell tales.

    [DPF: If you read his post he wanted to, but his wife convinced him not to]

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  20. Whaleoil (767 comments) says:

    When you are travelling on someone elses ticket, as Gladys was you have to match your behaviour to suit the circumstances. Now I know Gladys has got Trevor Mallard for an eample but it still doesn’t excuse his behaviour.

    The fact that Gladys is saying it is OK to be rude if they are an Act member says a great deal about him. Always shooting the messenger and trying to divert was is a true story away from his obviously rude behaviour.

    This just goes to show that you never know who you will be sitting by and why MPs and their spouses tavelling on the taxpayer ticket should hold themselves to a higher level of accountability.

    Gladys should simply have apologised and moved on. The fact that he has dug his toes in makes this story even bigger.

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  21. Russell Brown (405 comments) says:

    David, never, ever complain about the trivialisation of political news coverage again, huh?

    [DPF: And have you seen the blog post by Grant Robertson of all people dedicated to the fact Steven Joyce text messaged etc during a road opening??]

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  22. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    This kind of reminds me of when I was in the Warehouse in Lyall Bay, Wellington a couple of years ago.
    Someone’s little miss ‘darling’ of about 6 yo was screaming and really going to town. The mother was walking towards her to meet the child’s latest demand. When the mother was about ten feet away from the child and within about ten feet of me I stated to the child, “If you were my kid you’d get a jolly good thrashing.” You should have seen the look on the mothers face (‘how dare you address my child that way’ kind of look). And from the look on the kid’s face you would have thought she’d never been told off before by an adult. It was priceless on both counts.

    You could see from the other adults around me that they agreed with my response, but obviously didn’t have the balls themselves to challenge the misbehaving brat or its lax mother.

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  23. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Hard to believe this made the news, but then the bar is lowered every day in the MSM.
    Before I became a parent I might have had some sympathy for Chauvel. But let’s face it, if the kids are being disruptive who’s going to risk doing anything to subdue them in front of a plane full of potential panty-waists just waiting for a chance to dob a parent in to CYFS?
    Personally I encourage my kids to be boisterous in public, especially when I think I’m in the company of hand-wringing anti-smackers. Upsets them no end, and makes me laugh (usually on the inside, unless laughing externally can be sure to exacerbate the anguish of the hand-wringer). They don’t like it up ‘em.

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  24. RRM (9,916 comments) says:

    So far we have one account of the children’s behaviour – their Dad’s. Hmmm…

    For all we know they were complete little shits, and Chauvel was simply saying what everyone else around them was thinking.

    Screaming kids are annoying. Fortunately, most grown-ups are able to rise above minor annoyances… aren’t they, Mr Chauvel?

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  25. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Another of Chauvel’s colleagues (Annette King) was at my kid’s school last Saturday. They had a working bee, lot’s of parents (and quite a few mormons doing their helping hands thing) all getting stuck in. King comes along to make a speech about something completely unrelated. My wife was standing next to a teacher who seemed quite impressed by King, until my wife asked ‘do you think she’s going to actually help or just talk?’
    Clearly the teacher’s a socialist, she walked off in a huff. They sure don’t like it up’em

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  26. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    This kind of reminds me of when I was in the Warehouse in Lyall Bay

    That was your mistake right there, Kris.

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  27. Inventory2 (10,337 comments) says:

    @ Russell Brown (12.29pm) – Russell, it isn’t DPF who has trivialised this. Other bloggers picked up on the story (myself included), but there it may have lain had Chauvel not given a lengthy justification of his boorish behaviour to a journalist. It’s now in the MSM, will likely as not feature on the TV news tonight, and has grown legs the story didn’t merit. Chauvel has only himself to blame.

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  28. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    Irrelevant beat up.

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  29. nickle (29 comments) says:

    “Most of the people on the plane agreed with me.”

    Don’t forget the fair share of parents on the plane thinking “thank god its not my kids”

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  30. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Should be on Close-up tonight. Hilarious. I can’t see how Chauvel can come out of this looking good, except with child-haters.

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  31. rouppe (971 comments) says:

    There’s a difference between noisy and outright disruptive. And in any case the flight is only 45 minutes, sheesh…

    I wonder how many people have complained about travelling with an age-grade rugby team, particularly in their teens. I have, and boisterous would be a generous term…

    Heine’s mate Cactus Kate often attacks parents who take children on planes.

    Good thing she hasn’t been on one of my flights then. I have no latitude with those that think they’re better than everyone else.

    I still remember years ago checking in for an international flight within Asia somewhere, and was fortunate to be travelling Business. This was in the late 80’s so apartheid was still quite high in the consciousness. The check-in desk was combined for Business and First classes. Some bloke comes steaming up shouting in a very thick South African accent about how he had a First Class ticket and how repugnant it was that he be made to wait. My colleague turned to him and said “We don’t have second class citizens where we come from, mate”. I’ve never forgotten his open-mouthed gape followed by silent withdrawal.

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  32. simo (150 comments) says:

    Hey suckhole lefties – who is paying for his flight? We are, thats why it makes the news, if he was paying for his flight as a private citizen I wouldnt care.

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  33. RRM (9,916 comments) says:

    [simo]: “Hey suckhole lefties…”
    [RightNow]: “I can’t see how Chauvel can come out of this looking good, except with child-haters.”
    [Inventory2]: “…he and his mates in Labour… see themselves as better than the rest of us.”

    A thread about children, by children, and for children… You’re tuned to Kiwiblog.

    Still waiting to hear the other side of this story.

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  34. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (786 comments) says:

    Haha…. you’re title might actually be accurate. Been reading the comments on Stuff and looks like most people are on the side of “Good on him”.
    If the person who claims to have also been on the plane is to be believed, it sounds like this guy is a “Prat” of a Dad.

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  35. Tim Ellis (251 comments) says:

    It’s surprising that Mr Chauvel appears to spend more than twice as much on air travel as his Auckland-based front bench colleague, Mr Cunliffe. Mr Chauvel is a Wellington-based MP, so this is quite unusual, I would think.

    The story mentions that Mr Chauvel was with his partner at the time. Does he regularly take his partner with him when he travels? If he does, it might account for his large travel bill.

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  36. malcolm (1,952 comments) says:

    Don’t worry RRM, it will all be sorted out on Close Up.

    “So we’ve all been there – other people’s kids. Let’s face it, they can be a pain in the arse. But is it ever right to beat them? Charles Chauvel talks exclusively to Close Up. And we’ll let you decide. And now here’s a crap piece about a tired old band who are coming here on tour. Tune in tomorrow for more current affairs and in depth reporting. “

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  37. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    BAHAHAHA what a douche.

    dont get me wrong, i hate kids on planes. id like to see them kept in the overhead lockers. Dime is also loyal to Air NZ and sits at the front of the plane… id be dirty if my “status” had me seated next to kids.

    actually, im surprised a man was allowed to sit next to young children? or is that a Qantas only thing?

    anyway, even though im an asshole, im not an elected asshole! what was he thinking?????

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  38. Gooner (995 comments) says:

    This is as much a *story* as the “Chris Carter caught a ferry from Devonport” one.

    Can anyone confirm the $250 million turned up in the Crown bank account last week? I assume it goes in by a/p each Friday night?

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  39. voice of reason (490 comments) says:

    What a load of pointless crap. If boomtownprat had any guts he would have remonstrated with Shovel Chauvel at the time, instead he tell tales.
    [DPF: If you read his post he wanted to, but his wife convinced him not to]

    Like I said if he had any guts he would have said something.

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  40. Gooner (995 comments) says:

    On reflection, I heard an Australian “journalist” on Newstalk ZB this morning claiming that the Lara Bingle/Michael Clark break up/show us your tits/flush the ring down the shitter “story” was the biggest story in Australia this year.

    I hope we get our $250 million this Friday.

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  41. aardvark (417 comments) says:

    This is why we should re-introduce first-class on our domestic flights, so that our elected representatives aren’t forced to put up with the “real people” who are in cattle-class.

    My goodness, didn’t those kids know who they were sitting in front of?

    Oh the humanity!

    My gawd — the man is a Rt Honourable for Christ’s sake!

    He doesn’t have to prove he’s better (or even as good) as us, he’s an MP!

    I hope his airfare was refunded by the airline so that he at least got some compensation — and if it was, I hope it was refunded in cash so he could spend it on booze for the taxi-trip from the airport.

    What’s wrong with you people? :-)

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  42. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    I shall henceforth refer to Chauvel as the baby-eating trougher from Ohariu, and RRM can forever be ‘the lefty with the stepford daughter’.
    Children have the same rights as adults, and that includes the right to make noise. Just like a team of rugby players on a plane might do (or cricketers, footballers etc).

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  43. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Chavel: “Most of the people on the plane agreed with me.”

    A politician’s presumptuousness? It sounds like he just thought they should have been down in the back riff raff seats. Where voters sit.

    KK: “If you were my kid you’d get a jolly good thrashing.”

    Threatening someone else’s kid like that sounds far worse than what Chauvel did. But it wasn’t said by an MP, so standards and morals don’t matter?

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  44. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    I stated to the child, “If you were my kid you’d get a jolly good thrashing.” You should have seen the look on the mothers face (‘how dare you address my child that way’ kind of look). And from the look on the kid’s face you would have thought she’d never been told off before by an adult. It was priceless on both counts.

    Kris K, if you had spoken to my child like that, rather than to me, you would have got more than a ‘how dare you address my child that way kind of look’. I would have had your guts for garters.

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  45. Chuck Bird (4,880 comments) says:

    No MP who voted for the anti-smacking legislation has any right to complain about badly behaved children in public.

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  46. Loco Burro (32 comments) says:

    [DPF: Well Labour can hardly complain as their own MPs do the same. Grant Robertson blogged about Steven Joyce text messaging during some road opening. If Labour MPs are going to blog that stuff, no surprise non MPs will do the same]

    hahaha, is this how you would decide standards of media behaviour. Christ. In future you will not be complaining about pointless negative stoires aimed at National’s MPs then? A ministers car parking in handicap zone perhaps? Which is also pretty rubbish. This is an example of very lazy reporting. Your view in my opinion comes from the fact that this story emerged from a blog and you wish to encourage this. Fair enough, blogs follow up on some great stuff that is ignored in the ‘mainstream’, but in my opinion this is a step towards transferring the worst aspects of blogging into the media realm.

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  47. RRM (9,916 comments) says:

    [jakejakejake]:”lol personally I would be moving flamboyant homosexuals to the back of the plane before any families.”

    ^^^ Hiya, troll!

    I thought dredging up 4-year-old threads was more your MO…

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/11/the_overlooked_denial.html#comment-672027

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  48. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    KK – I have had a similar experience on the Hutt valley line but I said to the child something along the lines of “Hey, you are embarrasing your Mother with that noise and annoying everyone else. You need to be quiet and help your Mum relax” and the kid got such a shock having a complete stranger tell her off that she settled down.

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  49. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    @Aardvark: “My gawd — the man is a Rt Honourable for Christ’s sake!”

    Actually, he’s not. Merely an Hon.
    Helen didn’t create any Rt Hons as she was opposed to knighthoods and the like (you get Rt Hon by being made a member of the Privy Council).

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  50. Jim (398 comments) says:

    Seems like two prats, each with over inflated sense of entitlement. Mr Chauvel and a parent who thinks that because they paid then they are entitled to do as they please and everyone else should just STFU.

    I feel sorry for everyone else seated in the vicinity.

    /me speaking as a parent (kids 2 and 4 years) who travels. I always assume that ALL of the passengers have paid for their tickets and so are entitled to as peaceful a flight as is practical.

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  51. Nigel (514 comments) says:

    Ugly scenario, though I am curious,
    How does your wife in the row in front of you convince you to not remonstrate with Chauvel, seems to me that should be done before she even knows about it, or is Mr Prat actually Mr Hen Pecked.
    For an MP to publicly bitch, even if it’s to your companion in that scenario shows a lack of humility & restraint, flying with 3 kids under 4 would be damn tough.
    Last thought, I avoid row 1 like the plague, the leg room is to cramped, row 2 or 3 are far better.

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  52. dave (988 comments) says:

    Perhaps the nice MP could have given the little kids one of the lollies supplied by the airline – that may have minimised the noise… funny to see that the people concerned – Chauvel and the kids – didn’t pay for their flights…parents and taxpayers did..

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  53. Graeme Edgeler (3,289 comments) says:

    I thought dredging up 4-year-old threads was more your MO…

    That thread’s pretty funny. A quote from DPF:

    I want to focus on the curious situation where the Secretary of Labour denied any concerns had been raised, and then he was contradicted by the Deputy Secretary who detailed what the concerns were and who they had been raised with.

    The Deputy Secretary is Mary-Anne Thompson. There are few public servants I would rate more highly. When I was in the PMs Office, she worked for Winston Peters and then for DPMC, heading up the policy advisory group – a first class intellect. I would trust her integrity entirely.

    [DPF: On the basis of her conduct at Treasury, DPM's Office and DPMC I stand by my evaluation at the time. But as later events show, I was wrong]

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  54. The only red for me is that of Manchester United (60 comments) says:

    Does the preferential front of the plane seating only apply to the main trunk line flights?

    If so, that would mean that on the ATR planes you would have to wait longer to disembark as the riff raff at the rear of the plane would be able to disembark first.

    All we need to add is that Cheval didn’t leave the Koru Lounge and enter the plane until all the other passengers were on board and waiting, and we’ve got him.

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  55. Inventory2 (10,337 comments) says:

    DPF said

    But as later events show, I was wrong

    Now THAT’S something you’re unlikely to see any time soon at The Standard or Red Alert

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  56. poneke (280 comments) says:

    Now this nonsense is the fucking main national item on the Herald’s website

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  57. Chaucey (43 comments) says:

    I just wanted to say that “Shut up” is not a polite thing to say.
    Perhaps he should have asked politely – “Would you please try to keep the noise levels down?”

    Also, Kris K – I think threatening assault on a 6 year old was a horrible thing for you to do.

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  58. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Er, Chuck, It’s PUBLIC transport, the great unwashed i.e. taxpayers & voters use PUBLIC transport.

    Personally I find it quite offensive and annoying when middle aged businessmen (mostly) are harrumphing and blow harding on PUBLIC transport so that everyone has no choice but to listen.

    On a similar note, was on a PUBLIC flight with the troops and had some old trout tutting and eyeballing us as Miss 18mnths was having a teething wail, that we were doing all that was possible to to quell.

    Ignored her for the first few times then I leaned forward and asked her if she’d like to see if she could calm the baby down.

    Generally tossers like those described STFU if you call them.

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  59. adamsmith1922 (890 comments) says:

    I detest Charles Chauvel.

    Therefore it pains me to suggest that he might have had a point

    Unfortunately I travelled on an Air NZ flight recently from Auckland, where children howled and screamed all the time.

    By the time we landed I wanted to strangle the children and shoot their parents. Especially the ‘adoring parents’ who had no regard for anyone else

    Many parents seem to think that they have no obligation to quiet their little monsters

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  60. Sean (301 comments) says:

    Parents, dog-owners and smokers all seem to think that the rest of us have no problem with their lifestyle choices. At least in real first class (on Singapore Airlines) I don’t have to put up with any of them.

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  61. Chris2 (766 comments) says:

    A woman passenger on the plane journey has come forward to confirm Chauvel’s version:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3457144/MP-complains-about-noisy-toddler

    pas­sen­ger on same flight #64 11:41 am Mar 16 2010

    I was on that same flight, and sit­ting in the aisle across from Charles and I actu­ally said to my hus­band that I wished the par­ents would tell their chil­dren to ‘shut up’. They were pretty loud.

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  62. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Ah, the glamour of air travel aka the flying bus. For some reason people think buses and planes are different, spose that’s why airlines have marketing depts.

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  63. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Funny, someone else has commented (#91) that they were on the same flight and in their words:

    “I was sitting 3 rows back and the children were delightful and just doing what children do on an exciting trip. I think our politician was just annoyed he wasn’t seated in the best seats on the plane….

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  64. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Send poor precious wee Mr Chauvel on a flight across Australia. That’ll sort him.

    He’s to be seated in the midst of a rugby league team which has been allowed to marinade itself at the airport bar for an hour or so before boarding, a group of skiers who have been permitted to bring just about everything bar their skis and poles aboard as hand luggage, and families who have evidently decided to entertain their children with chocolate and red cordial while waiting an age to pass through the security checkpoint.

    And if you’re heading to Perth from the eastern states, every overhead locker (and I do mean every) will be stuffed with cartons of Krisy Kreme Donuts – unavailable in the west, but apparently instantly addictive to anyone who’s every eaten one – being brought back in some sort of high-calorie version of the Berlin airlift. The smell is recirculated endlessly through the plane’s airconditioning – it’s like being bathed in fat and icing sugar for several hours.

    And it’s not the one puny hour from Auckland to Wellington, it’s five to six hours across the Nullabor. Stick him on a return flight and he’ll have HTFU by the time he lands.

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  65. Chris2 (766 comments) says:

    Bevan @4:16pm – An eyewitness in the same aisle beats an observer seated three rows back.

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  66. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    All you handwringers that have a problem with someone saying, “If you were my kid you’d get a jolly good thrashing”, when confronted with obnoxious spoilt brats that are old enough to know better, and whose parent[s] are present but can’t control their kid’s behaviour – must have model children and have never been confronted with little shits who think they run the place.

    And just for the record; if they were my kid[s] they really would get a thrashing!
    Me stating a fact is hardly threatening a little shit with assault – good grief!

    The only thing worse than little out of control shits is their parents who have no idea about raising kids, and certainly no idea how to instill appropriate behaviour and respect for others.

    You enablers make me want to puke (Pete George, TripeWryter, Chaucey).

    Oh, and TrypeWryter, you’d have to be pretty quick if you were going to physically have a go at me as a result of me telling your kid to tuck its head in – just sayin’.

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  67. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    An eyewitness in the same aisle beats an observer seated three rows back.

    Why? Different perceptions of what is ok or not? People who have had kids would most likely be more understanding and more aware of what is reasonable to tolerate of kids in that situation.

    Or, as this is a political beat up, either (or both) of the “witnesses” could be pushing a party line.

    Does it really matter?

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  68. poneke (280 comments) says:

    An eyewitness in the same aisle beats an observer seated three rows back.

    Not if the person three rows back supports the ACT Party blogger.

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  69. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Jesus Christ, Kris K has got a wee Jihad going on this afternoon.

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  70. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    You enablers make me want to puke

    Kris, people like you are the reason the rest of us have child discipline amendments foisted on us.

    What would you thrash your kids with – a St James version?

    I never had any problems with my kids behaviour, nor my grandkids, and I have never beaten any of them.

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  71. big bruv (13,883 comments) says:

    The left make me want to puke.

    They always claim that somebodies political leanings should be taken into account when they are a witness yet have no issue at all when a leftie blows the whistle on anybody from the right.

    The rules have not changed pinko’s, you set them so fucking well harden the fuck up and deal with it, one of your MP’s has been exposed as a child hater, he has to front up and apologise.

    The other question I have is this, why did a Wellington MP feel the need to take his “partner” with him on a trip to Auckland?

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  72. Angus (536 comments) says:

    Chauvel also has the added luxury that his own son has two full time mommies (and two daddies).

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  73. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    kris k k..

    you a christian..!

    ‘thrashing little shits’

    and threatening violence on other commenters..?

    (b.t.w..i have two children..neither have ever been hit/smacked..or ‘thrashed’..eh..?

    you really are trotting out yr contradictions..eh..?

    not to mention yr ignorances..

    ..eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  74. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Pete George 4:45 pm

    Kris, people like you are the reason the rest of us have child discipline amendments foisted on us.

    That’s crap, and you know it is, Pete.
    The reason we had “child discipline amendments foisted on us” was because the then Labour led government were suck’oling up to the UN so that Helun would ensure her role there once she lost the election.

    You do realise that we are one of the VERY few (us and Sweden) countries that have essentially removed the rights of parents to discipline their children by legislation?
    You idiots really have no idea, do you?

    You need to read up on the failed experiment that is Sweden in this regard, Pete, because if this law isn’t repealed then we, too, will follow the same path as they have. 87% agree with me in this likely outcome.

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  75. Russell Brown (405 comments) says:

    [DPF: And have you seen the blog post by Grant Robertson of all people dedicated to the fact Steven Joyce text messaged etc during a road opening??]

    (a) The conduct of a minister at an official engagement does seem to be a bit more relevant than this thing.

    (b) “Someone else did it too!” isn’t much of an argument.

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  76. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Phool 5:02 pm,

    Have another drag on your joint to clear your head, Phool, you’re confusing me with someone else in a parallel smoke filled universe.

    And I think you’ll find it was TripeWryter who made an implied threat to me in the first instance – I have no problem in taking appropriate action to defend myself if it comes down to that.

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  77. Danyl Mclauchlan (1,069 comments) says:

    “Someone else did it too!” isn’t much of an argument.

    True, but since November 2008 it’s pretty much all DPFs had to go on.

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  78. tristanb (1,127 comments) says:

    At this point I got angry and sarcastically told my kids to be quiet as there were very important men behind us who needed their peace.

    It sounds like BTP was actively encouraging his kids to be disruptive. Absolutely no regard for others on the plane. Nice one.

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  79. eszett (2,408 comments) says:

    You do realise that we are one of the VERY few (us and Sweden) countries that have essentially removed the rights of parents to discipline their children by legislation?
    You idiots really have no idea, do you?

    It seems that you are the idiot, Kris, if you think that only way to discipline your child is by beating it.

    You need to read up on the failed experiment that is Sweden in this regard, Pete, because if this law isn’t repealed then we, too, will follow the same path as they have. 87% agree with me in this likely outcome.

    You are presumably referring to the infamous referendum. It was 87% of the respondents, not the population and they responded to a totally different question.

    But never mind the facts, you usually put more emphasis on beliefs rather than facts

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  80. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Bevan @4:16pm – An eyewitness in the same aisle beats an observer seated three rows back.

    And whose word do you have for those? Two anonymous Stuff.co.nz commentors?

    Quite frankly I wouldnt believe either of them.

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  81. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..And I think you’ll find it was TripeWryter who made an implied threat to me in the first instance ..”

    um..!..no..!

    he responded to you..an adult..saying you would threaten/intimidate his child..

    just another violent christian..eh kkk..?

    and hey..!..top selling-job you are doing for yr particular brand of i-have-special-friends-in-the-sky beliefs..

    eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  82. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    “Someone else did it too!” isn’t much of an argument.

    True, but since November 2008 it’s pretty much all DPFs had to go on.

    We put up with it for nine years, you can lump it for at least three. Plus in politics, there’s this little thing called hypocrisy, Labour cant bemoan actions they themselves performed when they were in power, the public will rightly label them hypocrits.

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  83. Kris K (3,570 comments) says:

    Eszett 5:33 pm,

    Another idiot enabler that sponsors state driven disempowerment and destruction of the nuclear family.

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  84. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Another idiot enabler that sponsors state driven disempowerment and destruction of the nuclear family.

    Redbaiter?

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  85. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    Been a backstabber for long Bevun? Typical keyboard coward.

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  86. Jeff83 (745 comments) says:

    Another idiot enabler that sponsors state driven disempowerment and destruction of the nuclear family.

    Giving children the same rights as adults is paramount to the destruction of the nuclear family. OTT much?

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  87. IHStewart (388 comments) says:

    Hell Ben long time since I have heard FUBAR ( Fouled Up Beyond All Repair ) Fouled is often replaced with a harsher F word and JakeJa…. Flamboyant homosexuals moved to the back you couldn’t do that for safety reasons or have you failed to notice the male cabin crew. Actually I dread having kids and babies seated near me but having brought back from the UK a 2 years nephew,1 years nephew and a few months old niece I would never comment to the kids or parents. I took a flight from Auckland to Queenstown and one of the “flamboyant ones” shut up a couple of arguing sisters I don’t know what he said but they were the lolly girls smart stuff on his part, reduce his work load, exploit child labour and keep everyone happy. Air New Zealand have really uped their game. Time for the taxpayer to sellout and take a profit.

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  88. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    Is Charles allowed to sit next to children. This country has lost the plot bigtime! Hey gummint leave those kids alone.

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  89. eszett (2,408 comments) says:

    # Kris K (1713) Says:
    March 16th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Eszett 5:33 pm,

    Another idiot enabler that sponsors state driven disempowerment and destruction of the nuclear family.

    Is that the best you can do? Some obscure religious-rightwing slogans? Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds: “state driven disempowerment and destruction of the nuclear family”?

    It’s pure comedy!

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  90. peterwn (3,271 comments) says:

    Katrina Shanks will be rubbing her hands with glee.

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  91. Hurf Durf (2,860 comments) says:

    Hey Wussell Brown: your blog sucks arse.

    As for Chauvel, he probably has enough experience of crying children in a small space to not hear it on a plane, if you know what I mean.

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  92. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    Hey why didn’t the coward blogger show his face on TV3? Get the wife to do it. Right wing liberals are gutless wonders just like lefty scum of the earth.

    Wussel Brown owns the Wublic Dress blog. What a homo country.

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  93. lastmanstanding (1,293 comments) says:

    Much and all as I am opposed to Chauvels politics my nose meter tells me he would have been right. Having 2 now adult children who are a delight and fine citizens they were raised on the spare the rod spoil the child principle.

    In fact in todays environment I would no doubt be a guest of Her Majesty at this point.

    I have experienced the obnoxious behaviour of kids and their obnoxious parents enough to sense that Charles is telling it like it was.
    These will be your typical 2 faced arsehole parents who whilst they let their kids run amok will complain bitterly if they get the same treatment.

    I call them One way streeters Their street runs one way Their way.

    They are totally blind to their kids bad behaviour. They lack any parenting skills. They wonder why their little darlings get the shit kicked outta them at school by kids who wont tolerate what Mummy and Daddy tolerate,

    Sadly the standard of parenting in NZ is crap and has been for several decades as the morons let their kids run wild with no discipline or boundaries.

    These pathetic breeders of obnoxious kids are a blight on our society.

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  94. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Been a backstabber for long Bevun? Typical keyboard coward

    Fuck off you whack job? Haven’t you got another dole bludging mate to defend?

    Is Charles allowed to sit next to children.

    Ummmmmm…… This has got to be the definition of irony! LMAO!

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  95. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    So angry Bevun, I hope you don’t fly with kids. You must be another ACT coward?

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  96. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    Forget the meds again d4j? Or did you just forget that you are not to wash them down with vodka?

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  97. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    Grow up Bevun.

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  98. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    d4j..you talk like a add-afflicted seven year old in the playground..

    ‘..What a homo country..”

    and you tell others to ‘grow up’..?

    meh..!

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  99. big bruv (13,883 comments) says:

    Be careful Bevan, D4J will ask you about your penis next, for some strange reason he seems to have developed a fascination with male body parts over the last couple of days.

    Perhaps he has finally opend the closet door.

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  100. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    Blouse go take tuffey for a drag around the park.
    Woof, woof. haha

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  101. big bruv (13,883 comments) says:

    “Hey gummint leave those kids alone.”

    Except when it comes to those dead beat dads who refuse to pay child maintenance because they had a bust up with their ex Mrs aye D4J.

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  102. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    “Is Charles allowed to sit next to children. ”

    The report at the top of this topic says that Chauvel was in row 3, the parents in row 2 and two kids in row 1 so he wasn’t sitting next to them.

    It’s a bit odd to me that the parents sat together and left their presumably 4 and 3 year old to sit in the row in front.

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  103. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    blouse please pat tuffey.TV3 laughed at your blog.

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  104. big bruv (13,883 comments) says:

    What causes the anger D4J?

    Come on now, you can tell old Bruv, what fires off those voices you hear?

    Are you struggling with your sexuality?

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  105. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    Pat tuffey loon. TV3 mocked your blog. Haha what a thicko – nutbar you are.

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  106. big bruv (13,883 comments) says:

    You watch TV3 D4J?

    Stands to reason I guess, all the pinko’s watch TV3.

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  107. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    This has blown hugely out of proportion – someone annoyed at kids, parent annoyed at comment/s in response and mentions on a blog, whoop de do. And then it gets legs and becomes a major story of the day.

    The biggest scandal I have seen is that Close-up has a “poll ” on appropriate action and charges SEVENTY FIVE CENTS per text vote. You surely only get people who are nuts that would pay to vote. Is advertising revenue down that much? Maybe some actual news would attract more.

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  108. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    “Stands to reason I guess, all the pinko’s watch TV3.”

    You are truly fucked in the head blouse. Tuffey really did deserve to go. Clearly you suffer from bad mental health. Do you EVER read what insanity you write?

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  109. big bruv (13,883 comments) says:

    “You surely only get people who are nuts that would pay to vote”

    Yep, D4J is voting as we speak!

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  110. dad4justice (8,208 comments) says:

    You are the very unwell coward blouse. What a strange oddball you are. Woof – Woof tuffey.
    Goodbye creep.

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  111. jcuknz (704 comments) says:

    Children should be seen and not heard and preferably not seen. I had the mis-fortune to travel by AMTRAK from Niagra to New York with a Afro-American brat sitting in the seat in front of me screaming his head off every ten or twenty seconds. Being a visitor to the country I just had to tolerate it. I understand that Afro-American boys are never disciplined by their mothers … it is a cultural thing.

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  112. somewhatthoughtful (465 comments) says:

    lol another bleeting from the retarded corner of the internet populated by clint heine. those guys are idiots, kris k, big bruv etc, are idiots. how do you guys manage to function in the real world?

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  113. TripeWryter (716 comments) says:

    Kris K

    I suggest you go and have a lie down, if you haven’t already done so.

    My point was this: if you had a problem with my child’s behaviour, the proper (and adult) thing to do would be to mention it to me — not to threaten my kid with a thrashing. Then it would be up to me to deal with the matter. And if action was warranted, I would deal with it.

    I would have thought that as a Christian you would have understood authority. You would have no authority to threaten my or anyone else’s kid with a hiding unless I gave you that authority.

    As a Christian I’m sure you understand that you have authority in your home and over your children. You can bring them up in any manner you think is right.

    I have no right to tell you how to discipline your kids, and I sure as hell would never bypass you and say something like what you said to another person’s child.

    You have to know the limits of your authority. If you don’t know, go and look it up in the Bible. Paul’s injuntion about all authority coming from God would be a good start.

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  114. Clint Heine (1,570 comments) says:

    Did somebody say that Poneke was an ex Journalist? Goodness me! Attributing his entire argument to something *I* wrote has meant he is beginning to look like a bigger bourke than he already was. Poneke, I live in London. I don’t have kids (that I know about) and to be honest, if any MP spoke to children that I had in the way that they did to my mate, I’d have done the same.

    By saying that, it has reassured me that NZ is a small town, backwards thinking hicksville – and this was the mother of slow news days.

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  115. lastmanstanding (1,293 comments) says:

    Heh No response by the bleeding hearts to my 6.22pm post So I hit the nail right on the head didnt I

    I saw the stupid mother on TV1 What a loser parent. Kids headed for the big wake up when they grow up.Pity they will find out they others wont tolerate the behaviour their dumb arse parents do.

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  116. Clint Heine (1,570 comments) says:

    I dunno lastmanstanding. You’re making up some pretty wild generalisations about the family.

    On Close Up, Charles looked and acted like a smug prick.

    Didn’t Labour ban smacking? Do you think that if the kids misbehaved in the way that Charles said they did (which I dispute) that he would condone a smack?

    Maybe nobody answered your post because you sounded like a bigger prick than the minister?

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  117. Jim (398 comments) says:

    Clint, perhaps you’re right.

    Me on the other hand, not so sure.

    Slow news day: absofuckinglutely.
    Chauvel a prick: already proven.
    Behaviour of kids/family: can’t say for sure unless we were there.

    One attitude that irritates me is the “I’m paying so the rest of you can STFU about my behaviour”, closely followed by “I’m paying so please lick my boots”. I see that in restaurants, shops, airports, airport lounges, planes, you-name-it. Arrogant pricks. I get a whiff of that from the original post. Don’t know btprat but my asshole radar is warning.

    I have kids in the same age bracket so I do have some sympathy there, but there’s a limit to that.

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  118. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Are the front rows frequented by royal families and royal couples, who imagine the riff raff bowing and curtsying as they trudge past?

    Reminds me of a story, Modified here: Society is like a tree full of monkeys. A few monkeys sit importantly in the top branches, preening their well-earned coats. When monkeys on lower branches look up all they see is arseholes.

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  119. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    There is another story to “Winning over the voters one at a time”. After resisting for some time I had started checking out and dabbling at the Standard over the last month or so. I looked yesterday to see what they had to say about the Chauvel Act.

    Eddie was claiming it was a beatup:

    Still, no matter how astonishing it may seem that Charles Chauvel is on the front page of Stuff having to defend himself against unsubstantiated and politically-motivated smears from some no-name gutter blog, it’s fast becoming the norm.

    I agreed that it was a beatup, but suggested that the poster may not be innocent of similar tactics (that’s what “Eddie” seems to be there for). I’d learned they can be a bit sensitive to having “The Message” and the messenger questioned there, but was surprised at the degree of response.

    Eddie gave me a “final warning” (my first one) and said half a dozen of my posts had been deleted (it was three).

    I said “It’s sad you won’t accept anything off message, but it’s your choice what sort of forum you want.
    Would you have been happy to leave any post undeleted that provided evidence?”

    [Eddie: You never provided any evidence. Stop wasting my time or I'll ban you out of spite.]

    [lprent: Read the policy. It is carefully designed (by me) to make sure than lusers like you cannot 'lawyer' the system. In effect it is only a nicety that we do bother to warn people. The best general solution is not to do anything that would annoy a moderator - and arguing with one is the fastest known way to annoy them (and me). ]

    Irish Bill: It’s our time you’ve wasted. Your time is worthless. Like your comments. Don’t come back.

    It’s their blog. Their terms do say “If you really absolutely want your ideas to be heard, then start a blog and start learning to write. Or you can comment on the posts that our posters write and follow our rather lenient rules.”

    So I made a mistake thinking it might be a forum for debate. It is not, it seems to be designed to welcome only those who lick the left arses and kick the right bums. It reminds me of the GW Bush “public” appearances, where attendees were carefully screened and heckles were squashed.

    If they had made it clearer from the start that only praise of the posters was allowed I wouldn’t have bothered, and it wouldn’t have mattered. Instead I tried to play a part and discovered what they are really trying to do.

    I think it’s sad that a major front for Labour does not seem to care about “winning over the voters one at a time”. Continually concocting beatups and then complaining when it happens to one of their own highlights political pettiness I can’t be bothered with. I doubt that I’m the only voter that can see through The Double Standard. And if Labour continues operating on spite they risk being seen just as whiners, not winners.

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  120. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    No parent that I know of WANTS their kids to make a noise on a flight. But to you non-parents out there, kid’s have less developed eustachian tubes than adults (by that I mean they are more constricted by the shape of small kid’s heads – I am sure som edoctor here will put me right). Anyways, they often find it hard to get their ears pressurised. It hurts, they cry and make a fuss. My kids were mostly angels on planes, and I did a lot of travelling with my kids when they were little going over to Oz to see their Nonna. Sometimes they howled. There is nothing that the parent or the kid can do about it short of doping them to sleep. The only thing that worked for my son when he was really little was a bottle to suck on while descending. However, thanks to fucking Muslims that one is out for parents now.

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  121. Say Goodbye to Hollywood (562 comments) says:

    Actually Brian you can take on a bottle for kids. We just flew back from Oz on Saturday and as long as you show them at customs they will clear you through. However I understand your sentiment.

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  122. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..However I understand your sentiment…”

    his irrational racist/prejudiced ‘sentiments’..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  123. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Roll with inbred shit covered pigs Brian… ;)

    On topic, of *course* it was a politically motivated beatup and it was brilliantly simple in its execution because that hissy, jumped-up tosser Chucky Chauvel ignored the cardinal rule of politics – ‘always kiss the baby’ (it looks like he follows the ‘always blow on the pie’ school of thought).

    What news producer is going to turn that story down?

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  124. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    Actually Brian you can take on a bottle for kids. We just flew back from Oz on Saturday and as long as you show them at customs they will clear you through. However I understand your sentiment.

    Is that something that has changed sometime recently? I had friends who travelled through to Germany late last year with kids and they were not allowed baby bottles of milk on the plane. I am not sure if they were going through the States or ASia though.

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  125. big bruv (13,883 comments) says:

    As much as I hate Helen Klarke I have to say that she would have handled the whole Chauvel thing a lot better.

    Charles would have been summoned to the ninth floor and told in no uncertain terms that he was to apologise and claim that his comments were taken out of context.

    The story would have died then and there.

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  126. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Brian, it seems to be at the discretion of the security personnel. It pays to be nice to them as they’ll often let them go through.

    Thats what I’ve found anyway.

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  127. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    Brian, it seems to be at the discretion of the security personnel. It pays to be nice to them and they’ll often let them go through.

    Surely you don’t mean they do profiling? I would have assumed that they suspected every family travelling on holiday to Europe to be secretly planning a one way trip to Paradise, and I don’t mean Euro-Disney.

    I am always nice to the security staff at airports. They don’t get a lot of humour or thanks. It isn’t their fault that members of the Religion of Peace want to blow planes up.

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  128. Inventory2 (10,337 comments) says:

    Quite so big bruv – the more Chauvel talks about this, the worse it looks for him. Helen would have just said “Nothing to see here; move on”, whereas the hole that Chauvel is in gets deeper the more he digs.

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  129. Say Goodbye to Hollywood (562 comments) says:

    Brian, I’m not sure what the policy is on traveling through Europe or the USA but going to OZ was very easy.

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  130. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    SGtH – my kids are older now – I have to pay adult fares so holidays are now spent on the farmlet, not in Raro.

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  131. Chris2 (766 comments) says:

    Chauvel is a complete tosser but unlike his accuser, has appeared before the media and responded to its questions.

    In contrast, the man who anonymously wrote the story about his kids – “Mr Fred TS Phillips Jr MB ChB(Otago) FRACS(Orthopaedic Surgery)” (as he likes to describe himself on his website), has not had the balls to front the media, instead leaving it to his wife to do all the talking, even though she admits (NZ Herald) “she did not hear any comments from Mr Chauvel”.

    And for those who criticise Chauvels use of free air travel for MP’s, let’s also remember that Phillips as an orthopediac surgeon probably earning four times what Chauvel is paid, is also on the taxpayer tit for the surgery he performs that is paid for by the ACC, Health Boards and the Government.

    I wager the taxpayer forks out more to Phillips than for Chauvel every year, although Phillips is of more benefit to society.

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  132. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Air travel is a funny thing, it is one of the few mass transits used in New Zealand. And it is one of the few occasions where people from all walks of life rub shoulders. It is like a whole lot of bunches of people, often living in community-less bubbles, have to co-exist for short periods of time. There is no option but to stay the distance, no matter how much any annoyance or intolerance is.

    In this case it doesn’t even seem to be an inter-class altercation – it was a tiff between toffs.

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