Bradford says she will lead

January 31st, 2011 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

Talk of a new Left-wing party is gathering steam, with veteran activist confirming behind-the-scenes discussions and revealing she would consider leading it if asked.

Expectations are growing in Left-wing circles that renegade Te Tai Tokerau MP could be the lightning rod for a new movement if the rift between him and the Maori Party hierarchy ends in divorce.

This poses a challenge for both National and Labour. An extra ally for Labour isn’t good for National.

But on the other hand can you imagine Phil Goff trying to lead a Government where he could only pass laws if he can get Metiria Turie, Sue Bradford, Hone Harawira and Winston Peters to all agree.

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90 Responses to “Bradford says she will lead”

  1. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    A political marriage made in hell: Bradford and Harawira, both bludgers of the highest order and achievers of nothing during their entire wasted existence.

    I wonder how many fools woud vote for this deadly pair?

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  2. Graeme Edgeler (3,222 comments) says:

    I wonder how many fools woud vote for this deadly pair?

    Libertarians, maybe, if DPF’s claim that the “Government … could only pass laws if [it] can get Metiria Turie, Sue Bradford, Hone Harawira and Winston Peters to all agree.” is correct?

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  3. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    um..!,,manolo..bradford was notable for the number of private members bills she got thru…

    ..and how well she worked with/was so respected by other mp’s of all ideological-stripes..

    ..she set up the peoples centres…

    harawira ‘owns’ his seat..

    ..they work well together/respect each other..

    …bradford is actually from the north..

    ..and i think they would obviously win harawiras’ seat..

    ..and i wd be surprised if they got sth of 5%..

    ..there are a lot of disposessed out there…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  4. Pete George (21,831 comments) says:

    Can you imagine where votes for a Bradford led party would move from? If Bradford bleed votes from the Greens to pull them under 5%, and bleed a seat or two worth of votes from Labour, and extra ally won’t help Labour much. Especially an “ally” like this.

    And if Braford manages to pull in the Harawira seat (about her opnly way of getting into parliament) that diminishes the MP presence.

    On top of this Labour have never done the Greens or MP any favours regarding coalitions in the past, so it’s a big presumpt to make that alls the “left” parties would join as one happy family.

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  5. Shunda barunda (2,964 comments) says:

    This country is screwed.

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  6. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    This country is screwed.

    For once I agree with Shunda. :-)

    The lethargic, spineless, and motionless National on one side, the envious socialists from Labour on the other. Alongside, the backward-looking Luddites and the venal Peters.

    The future is bleak!

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  7. starboard (2,447 comments) says:

    ..Id be one of the first to riot in the streets if that bastard harawira gets enough power to start callin the shots in Wellington.

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  8. PaulL (5,776 comments) says:

    I reckon this is unlikely…..but imagine if it does happen.

    I’d see the Greens at risk, which is good news for National. If the Greens were out of parliament, particularly at around 4%, that’s a lot of wasted left wing vote.

    I’d see the Maori Party that’s left becoming more centrist, or even a little right wing. That’s good news for National too – at the moment the MP are only with them because Labour couldn’t form a govt.

    Finally, the prospect of Labour being in power in coalition with this bunch of plonkers just makes National look like a safer set of hands.

    Medium term, I’d see it as good for politics – and for clarity. A proper left wing party would let Labour move to the centre a bit, and let the Greens become an environmental party instead of a left wing party. That would open the possibility of a National-Green coalition, which is currently an impossibility.

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  9. Mr Robert Black (145 comments) says:

    No encourage the partnership, it is bound to succeed.

    :)

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  10. rouppe (852 comments) says:

    Problem with that scenario is that Bradford would have to be visible much more of the time. She was able to get a bunch or private bills through before because most of the work was behind the scenes.

    By having to be front-and-centre as the leader of the party, she will turn some off with her altogether unpleasant manner.

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  11. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    every thing you say is wrong there..pg..

    even farrar admits i his header this party wd strengthen the centre-left bloc..

    yr mp comment is a nonsense and says nothing…

    ..and re labour..the past is the past..they are now almost joined at the hip…

    ..much more so than any other election..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  12. tvb (3,952 comments) says:

    But how is Labour going to attract middle NZ – the tradesmen and women, the independent contractor paying provisional tax, the young professional who aspires to do better and so on, – hitched to these losers. The Labour Party is breaking apart under MMP and its ugly component parts are now being exposed instead of being hidden behind the caucus door. Perhaps Jim Bolger Doug Graham and Bill Birch were on to something when they foisted MMP on to us.

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  13. Inventory2 (9,791 comments) says:

    You’re wrong Phil; a new left-wing party will only strip votes from Labour and the Greens. Those who gave their votes to National last time are hardly going to support a party comprising Bradford, Harawira and McCarten, so if that party gains any traction (which I doubt that it will), it will be have to cannibalise other left-wing parties.

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  14. David in Chch (503 comments) says:

    Dim-post has just blogged about the same topic. I agree with IV2′s comment above. I would also point out, as I did over at Dim-Post, that I really wonder about so many people talking about coalitions with Labour. I think that that is highly unlikely. Labour showed their true colours in the past – they refused coalitions with the Greens or the Maori Party, opting instead for the Winston First party and Peter Dunne!! What do those groups have in common? Really only one thing – being in power. Those you would have thought had a “natural” philosophical alliance were ignored by Labour. Why would it be any different now?

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  15. PaulL (5,776 comments) says:

    Phil, your track record of predicting anything is abysmal. Anyone who took advice from you on what might happen in politics would clearly be a fool.

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  16. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    inv..harawira will win his seat..that’s a given…

    ..a lot of mp voters dissatisfied with the support for national..

    ..and how maori have been screwd by this govt..will also support a new harawira party…

    ..plus there are those who have just been driven into/left in poverty by both national and labour…

    ..some left labour will drift…but they are very tribal….

    …i don’t think many greens wd go to bradford…they also are too tribal…

    …and anyway the greens are pitching to the middle-voter/small business ‘greens’..

    ..as bradford just noted on nat-rad..russel norman in his speech yesterday said not one word about/for all those who are hurting/suffering…

    …it was all about green-business…

    ..and only getting 2% party vote..wd give them three mp’s..

    …and given that catchment..i reckon they wd get quite a bit more than 2%…

    ..which wd give them a serious tranche of dedicated left-leaning mp’s…

    ..and hence..quite a powerful voice..

    ..and you’d hafta say…adding it all up..

    ..why not..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  17. gravedodger (1,426 comments) says:

    Meanwhile down a leafy drive in Wigram the Troughmaster General rolls out of bed and muses ” I wonder what I will do today, oh I know I will give my old mate Hone a bell “.
    Bradford on posters, wish I was an airbrush artist, theres a big job there.

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  18. hubbers (204 comments) says:

    One of the things about the left that really fascinates me is how often they turn on other parts of the left for not being “left enough”.

    Take this example in the UK where a student leader (how much more left can you get) is called “******* Tory Jew Scum”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/8290571/Student-leader-Aaron-Porter-barracked-with-anti-Semitic-insults.html

    When the left start chanting racist anti-Semitic slogans at other lefties you know they are f****d in the head.

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  19. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    Anyone who took advice from you on what might happen in politics would clearly be a fool.

    Himself!

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  20. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    paul l..

    ..didn’t you say exactly the same thing/insult yesterday..?

    …do you have it on a loop…?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  21. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    The political discussion on National Radio after 11am didn’t add much new info. However, Sue sounded disappointed that Russel Norman seems happy to court the votes of the middle class and she added that she hasn’t spoken to Hone recently but she admires that he has become so statesmanlike over the past few months.

    Are we watching some episode of “The Twilight Zone”?

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  22. Whafe (652 comments) says:

    Bradford leading a new political party is like saying that philu will be the next PM of New Zealand….

    Give me fucken strength……..

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  23. s.russell (1,486 comments) says:

    An extra ally for Labour isn’t good for National.

    That assumes several things:

    1) that the new party does actually win seats. If it wins votes but not seats then it is a disaster for Labour. I think the only realistic chance of it winning seats is through Harawira, and why would he quit a Maori nationalist party (because it is not extreme enough) and join up with a bunch of left-wing Pakeha whose agenda is more about socialism. And Harawira would scare off most of the votes the lefties seek to win. The alliance would be hugely damaging to both parties.

    2) that it is taking votes from National rather than Labour and the Greens. Hone would take votes from National’s ally, the Maori Party, but the MP is an overhang party anyway, so it only matters if it causes the MP to lose a seat/s it would have won (other than Te Tai Tokerau or course)

    3) that it does not cannablise Labour’s allies and knock them out of Parliament (eg taking so many votes from the Greens that they miss the 5% threshhold, or likewise from Winston First)

    And (of course) DPF is right: it makes the alternative to National even MORE hideous for voters to contemplate.

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  24. malcolm (2,000 comments) says:

    Time to ditch the 5% by-pass mechanism.

    Sue Bradford has obviously discovered that she’s worthless in the open market and the only way to maintain the lifestyle to which she’s accustomed (but totally undeserving) is to slip back into parliament on the coattails of Hone Whakawitta Harawira.

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  25. Pete George (21,831 comments) says:

    The Green Party doesn’t look so bad amongst a Labour Coalition with Maori Party (with Harawira trying to take it over), Winston First, and Bradford/McCarten First Equal.

    Phil Goff managing that?

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  26. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    I agree Pete. Who would want to be ringmaster to that circus? Would it last for six months, six weeks, or six days?

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  27. Mark (496 comments) says:

    Instresting in the article Sue Bradford is quoted as saying “The Maori Party is a total mess now. They have so betrayed their base and now Hone is out there painting the picture in words of one syllable.”.

    So Sue is saying that the Maori Party supporters are stupid and thick.

    Bit of a racist attitude isnt it.

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  28. kowtow (6,734 comments) says:

    hubbers.

    I read that yesterday and was not at all surprised.
    Thing is those shouting that are from the far left as well as perhaps many in the so called protest movement reflecting the change in Britains religious/ethnic demographics ie Pakistani Muslims.
    So a street alliance of the far left and Muslims will inevitably result in anti semitism. We see it in news stories from campuses the west over.
    Also the reported increase in anti semitism all over western Europe is obviously related to the huge influz of Muslim immigrants . However the MSM seem only anxious to report the so called “far right” for said obnoxious views.

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  29. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    ” Don’t panic, Captain Mannering”..

    Tits are getting in a tangle over something that might happen, …thats might happen.

    Too many ego’s involved anyway, they would tear each other too bits in no time.

    Bradford achieved SFA, a bunch of socail engineering sops’ for the like minded which in inactment have had no real bearing on everyday life at all .

    She like all others mentioned here are lightweight , all of whom by the way, are given way too much time in the media.

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  30. Grendel (878 comments) says:

    i agree pete, its a scary day when someone makes the greens look like a moderate and reasonable alternative.

    any party with bradford, harawira et al would drown in a vat of its own inflated ego and desire to yell.

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  31. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    I see it as a good thing, it’ll keep the loony left split into multiple parties that will all get under 5%. I suppose it’s possible that the racist loon Hawawira will win a seat and the party will get one or two list MPs that way, but that can only hasten the end of the racist seats ( and hopefully even the end of MMP ) when people realise the whole country has been saddled with a bunch of these unelected, unelectable fruitcakes because of the stupidity of one apartheid electorate.

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  32. wat dabney (3,472 comments) says:

    …and revealing she would consider leading it if asked.

    The false humility of the political class is quite sick-making.

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  33. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    When Bradford was a member of the Greens we questioned her ‘Green’ credentials, “no” we were told, Sue is a strong Green.
    Well, todays announcement by Bradford proves that we were right all along and that the Greens are nothing but lying communist scum.
    Bradford did not give a shit about clean rivers, animal welfare, clean air or the like, she cared about Climate change simply because it is a con by which the hard left can transfer massive wealth.

    Toad, Frog and the rest knew Bradford was not a real Green yet they were happy to play along with the lie.

    Somebody in our MSM needs to do an investigative piece about the Greens, somebody needs to educate the people in NZ as to what the Greens really are all about.

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  34. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    “somebody needs to educate the people in NZ as to what the Greens really are all about.”

    That would be an exercise in stating the obvious. But I guess there are potential Green voters who have trouble seeing the obvious so it might be worth doing.

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  35. wat dabney (3,472 comments) says:

    Voting Green is akin to being a Christian – a no-cost way of feeling smug and superior to everyone else.

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  36. Paulus (2,304 comments) says:

    Must still be summer holidays as the so called MSM (incorrectly called) have nothing better to do with their time.

    It is disappointing that the media standards are continuing to degrade.

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  37. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    You ponce about here posturing as the epitome of logic and reason and yet you can make a statement so dripping with bigotry and ignorance? Pffft, just another pathetic ignorant Progressive fraud.

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  38. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Put it away

    “That would be an exercise in stating the obvious.”

    Not so, the Greens have never had the blow torch applied to them by our media, for years they were nothing more than “that nice granny lady and that man with the beard and braces”, they were seen as harmless and to be fair, in those days they were harmless.

    Not so today, they have long since given up being an environmentalist party, they are now nothing more than a collection of low life communists who hide behind the Green banner.

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  39. ch123 (460 comments) says:

    And the unfortunate thing (as I commented the other day) they always seem to get a high proportion of special votes from overseas voters. I suspect this is mostly because the overseas voters have no clue about what the party is really about and think they actually are an environmental party. Or used to live here when it actually was an environmental party and assume it still is.

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  40. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    The Luddites defined by Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore in an article in the Vancouver Sun on 7 January:

    “‘To a considerable extent the environmental movement was hijacked by political and social activists who learned to use green language to cloak agendas that had more to do with anti-capitalism and anti- globalisation than with science or ecology.”

    A fitting description of K. Locke, S. Bradford, C. Delahunty, and R. Norman.

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  41. kiwi in america (2,336 comments) says:

    Very interesting development. Several key points to bear in mind:

    The Maori Party only got 2.3% of the party vote – less than ACT. They are an electorate party and indeed have many more MPs in Parliament than their vote pecentage under MMP would allow for so are the beneficiaries of the overhang to the tune of 3 seats. Their lock on the remaining Maori seats that they hold is pretty strong given the ongoing antipathy between Labour and the MP. Winston Peters has no high profile Maori candidates in the offing (unlike Tuku Morgan, Rana Waitai, Tau Henare, Tuareke Dellimore that he fielded in 93 and 96 – remember all these guys were reasonably high profile and successful before their various antics and party reincarnations) so he as highly unlikely to unseat any sitting Maori Party MPs as Labour is. Thus Hone’s defection would leave the MP likely only down 1 MP as their party vote percentage has little relevance.

    With the departure of Fitzsimons, Tanczos and Kedgley and the death of Donald, the Greens are barely an environmentalist party at all any more despite Russell Norman’s vain attempts. Delahunty is a greenie but she’s barking mad, Turai is from the same mould as Bradford – the hard left as is Locke (he’s retiring). The hard left departed from Labour with Anderton and New Labour in 1989 and, after a time with the Alliance, are very much at home (currently) with the Greens. The Greens stand the most to lose from formation of a new party to their left because they are a list only party and anything that dilutes their vote means they risk dropping below the 5% threshold. There are not enough purely environmentally driven voters to cross 5% – the Greens (thanks to the green on the outside red on the inside complexion of the current party) got to 6.7% with the help of hard left voters. Bradford is a hero to them and Harawiri and his radical Maori protestor chic credentials will act in synergy with Bradford and other heros of the hard left (like McCarten and John Minto – likely candidates for a new hard left party) to siphon off precious votes from the Greens.

    Whilst Harawiri’s electorate seat will guarantee a place in Parliament for a new hard left party, the net vote on the left is hardly likely to increase unless the Greens suffer a defection of its hard left MPsand thus are left to be more like the Greens in Germany – a more moderate centre left mostly enviromentalists party and in that case they may siphon off a few urban liberal greenish National voters – but not enough to cross 5%.

    A new party on left takes a little bit of the comeback wind out of Winston’s sails as well – whilst Bradford et al will not be cannibalising too many voters who would go for NZ 1st, they would starve Peters of precious media oxygen which even in the election campaign is limited for the minor parties. The media will fixate on the new kids on the block. Peters needs every vote he can get and any small or large issue to demagogue on and it may be harder to be xenophobic and anti the partial privatisation when he’s competing with Labour and all other parties on the left to own that message. Peters’ task of getting over 5% would get a little bit harder and winning an electorate seat for him is still a huge tall order.

    The Maori Party will feel liberated from the drama of getting rid of Hone and can concentrate on defending its electorate seats which it will be successful in doing.

    The other problem is Labour will have to make the case that it can form a stable government with the Greens (who will demand Cabinet seats and a more aggressive ETS), Winston (and that presupposes he gets across 5%), the Greens AND a bunch of radical left wingers who will drag Labour further to the left. All this will make National, ACT (I’m assuming Rodney holds Espsom and polls 2% so gets only 1 more MP) and the Maori Party seem like the paragon of stability.

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  42. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    The factional nature of the extreme left exposed. They hate eachother with more conviction than they do the right.

    Time to buy more shares in popcorn as the left gets more and more explody with every day.

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  43. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    More overhang, more disenfranchised voters voting left, and a vehicle for genuine social democratic ideas to be exposed to the light of day.

    This could swing the election.

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  44. Shunda barunda (2,964 comments) says:

    Not so today, they have long since given up being an environmentalist party, they are now nothing more than a collection of low life communists who hide behind the Green banner.

    The fact that Keith, and Sue have left the party considerably ‘greens’ their credentials i would have thought.

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  45. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    KIA:

    The Nats had the system gerrymandered to suit their purposes for four decades. Plus, you guys have always had the compliance of the media and support of the secretive international banking fraternity.

    The overhang you speak of is nothing in comparison.

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  46. Pete George (21,831 comments) says:

    Back to the original Stuff statement:

    Talk of a new Left-wing party is gathering steam, with veteran activist Sue Bradford confirming behind-the-scenes discussions and revealing she would consider leading it if asked.

    How much steam can there be if Bradford “reveals” she may lead if asked? That doesn’t sound like someone who’s turned on the kettle, more like she’s waiting for someone to offer her some water.

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  47. Manolo (12,644 comments) says:

    Bradford is poison. Whoever asks her to join will be tainted by association with her communist ideology.

    Her only hope to cross over the 5% mark is a free ride on the back of the racist thug Harawira, but why would he agree to be used for that purpose?

    Either way, the atomisation of the left in more splinter groups can only be good for New Zealand. Go ahead, comrade Sue.

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  48. kiwi in america (2,336 comments) says:

    magic bullet
    Evidence please – how has National been able to influence the Boundaries Commission and where’s your evidence of an inflow of political donations from international banks. Otherwise can you leave the debate to the grown ups and take your conspiracy theories over the Standard – or even philu’s blog

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  49. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    Except Bradford is known for her ability to work with politicians of all stripes. I note i little quiver in your message which reveals that you don’t really believe what you’re saying Manolo. More than that, such a party terrifies you.

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  50. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    KIA

    “most importantly, the owners of the banks, insurance companies, stock and station agents, shipping companies, factories, warehouses, shops and farms”. Essentially, Labour had to pursue its goals without taking on fights that would just bring down the government.

    As it was, business interests tried to destabilise the government as the 1938 election approached. They sent large quantities of money overseas and hostile news media wrote stories about the country going bankrupt. Labour headed off the capital flight by announcing foreign exchange controls, to which “the response of Labour’s opponents was venomous”.

    http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3511/artsbooks/9461/power_the_people.html

    There are more examples as well.

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  51. PaulL (5,776 comments) says:

    magic bullet: are you sure that isn’t magic mushrooms? I don’t think this will be swinging the election. And I’d like to know more about this secretive international banking fraternity. Does John Key head it up? Is it’s annual meeting in Davos? Enlighten us.

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  52. wat dabney (3,472 comments) says:

    And as Redbaiter never ceases to remind us, religion is also a licence for bigotry and a guilt-free way to indulge ones unexamined prejudices.

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  53. Shunda barunda (2,964 comments) says:

    Sue Bradford, Max Bradford, there is something about that name, let us all agree to never repeat any of their mistakes again.

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  54. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    Paul – You think it strange that the owners of capital would do things the improve their own position? like opportunism isn’t the hallmark of successful capitalist enterprise? It’s all about competitive edge in the market. Anything you can do to lower costs against opponents. These are the people who succeed (you’ve probably never even known or even met a truly wealthy person). These are the people we’re talking about.

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  55. BlairM (2,266 comments) says:

    Voting Green is akin to being a Christian – a no-cost way of feeling smug and superior to everyone else

    What a stupid, bigoted thing to say! I am a Christian because I am a rotten sinner and wish to humble myself before God. The only people I feel superior to is bigots like yourself.

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  56. kiwi in america (2,336 comments) says:

    magic
    Tell us you’re not hanging your hat on a quote from a left wing commentator in the NINETEEN THIRTIES and a random article in the Listener. And I’ve met and am good friends with and do business with truly wealthy people and none of them see NZ as a high cost market that they are seeking to influence the government to lower costs – decisions about where capital gets invested are far more sophisticated and less influenced by stuff you heard at the last Green Party meeting than that!

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  57. s.russell (1,486 comments) says:

    A suspicision:

    Bradford et al know that a new hard left party would never succeed – there’s far too much competition on the loony populist left for that. They are fanning these flames not to try and spark a new party but to scare Labour into keeping left.

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  58. kiwi in america (2,336 comments) says:

    s.russell
    No – Bradford is still smarting from losing the Greens leadership and thinks she’s party leader material. Never underestimate the ego of politicians especially those on the left who see government as the vehicle to impose their ideology on a whole country.

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  59. BlairM (2,266 comments) says:

    I think a new Left Wing Party will be very successful in the current environment. Harawira would guarantee them representation. It should easily get 5% of the vote, and may even get double figures if Labour’s vote sufficiently collapses.

    They have an unprecedented opportunity to make a huge impact. If McCarten is behind it, they will be hard to stop. I also think that if they do contest this election, it will mean the demise of the Greens (finally). All the old activists are gone, so what you are left with now are a bunch of ageing, wealthy white lawyers and council planners whom nobody knows the names of. Their only salvation might be to push their cannabis policies (the only thing they want to legalise instead of ban!), but I don’t see that happening. So they are toast.

    It will have no real impact on whether National get another term. No National Government has ever lasted less than three terms, and this one ain’t looking much different. But it could alter the political landscape on the Left considerably.

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  60. wat dabney (3,472 comments) says:

    Whatever happened to the Popular Front, Reg? She’s over there.

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  61. Dazzaman (1,114 comments) says:

    Blair, it won’t fly. Bradford & Harawira? Far too hard left and far too much negative baggage from both. McCarten is a shrewd & sharp operator but I don’t think even he could devise a way to get all those middle class greenies to jump ship.

    Bradford = toxic. Hone = toxic.

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  62. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..No National Government has ever lasted less than three terms, and this one ain’t looking much different…”

    by crikey..!

    ..does that reek of hubris..?..or what…?

    ..and false-hubris at that…

    …as all of your premise is based on the results under f.p.p…

    ..this is now mmp…

    …therefore….your suppositions are worthless…

    …eh…?

    how can they not be…?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  63. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    and kia..say what you will about bradford…

    ..i really don’t think ‘ego’ is her driving force…eh..?

    and kia…should we view yr analysis in the light of the screeds of material you posted in 2008…

    …on how mccain/palin were going to cream obama…?

    (i’m just asking..!…eh…?…)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  64. BlairM (2,266 comments) says:

    Blair, it won’t fly. Bradford & Harawira? Far too hard left and far too much negative baggage from both. McCarten is a shrewd & sharp operator but I don’t think even he could devise a way to get all those middle class greenies to jump ship.

    They can be as toxic as they like to 90% of the population, but if the other 10% vote for them, they’ll have 12 seats. Bradford does have a constituency, and there are plenty of old Alliance activists out there who would sign up, and more than a few watermelon Greens who will realise which way the wind is blowing, and go for the party which is guaranteed representation next time as opposed to the one they are in – which is not.

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  65. PaulL (5,776 comments) says:

    magic: of course people are opportunists. As are many on the left who use various stalking horses to get their favoured policies implemented. The same way I don’t usually buy into the propoganda that the left/greens are pushing global warming as a way to impose taxes and redistribution, I also don’t buy the capitalists are evilly controlling the world theory. And yes, I do know some wealthy people quite well. Depends on your definition of rich though – I would have said > $100m of assets was the threshold there, and I only know a couple of people with that kind of money.

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  66. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    Paul – KIA. These are the type of people we’re talking about:

    “The combined wealth of the family – its total assets and investments plus the individual wealth of its members – has never been known with any precision. The records of the family archives relating to both the family and individual members’ net worth is closed to researchers. Independent researchers have valued the current assets of the Rockefeller family much higher, some approaching amounts as high as $110 billion”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_family

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  67. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    Or these guys:

    “James Mayer de Rothschild’s other son, Edmond James de Rothschild (1845–1934) was very much engaged in philanthropy and the arts, and was a leading proponent of Zionism. His grandson, Baron Edmond Adolphe de Rothschild, founded in 1953 the LCF Rothschild Group, a private bank. Since 1997, Baron Benjamin de Rothschild chairs the group. The group has €100bn of assets in 2008 and owns many wine properties in France (Château Clarke, Château des Laurets), in Australia or in South Africa.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family

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  68. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    They usually belong to groups that routinely hold secretive meetings with their “peers”.

    i.e:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3031717.stm

    http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/bohemian_grove.html

    And they’re the subject of quite a famous speech:

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  69. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    The Council on Foriegn Relations is another such group.

    “In November 1979, while chairman of the CFR, David Rockefeller became embroiled in an international incident when he and Henry Kissinger, along with John J. McCloy and Rockefeller aides, persuaded President Jimmy Carter through the State Department to admit the Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, into the US for hospital treatment for lymphoma. This action directly precipitated what is known as the Iran hostage crisis and placed Rockefeller under intense media scrutiny (particularly from The New York Times) for the first time in his public life.[15]”

    ^ Scrutiny by NYT over the Shah of Iran – David Rockefeller, Memoirs (pp.356-75)

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  70. krazykiwi (9,188 comments) says:

    “Bradford says she will lead” – Not one of her strengths really.

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  71. magic bullet (776 comments) says:

    kk – matter of perspective. She sticks to her principles and gets things done. She’s no smiling assassin though.

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  72. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Magic Bullet

    David Rockefeller – Memoirs
    Quote: Page 356 -357. ( A quote is a verbatim account)

    ” My association with the Shah became the subject if intense public scrutiny only aterr the seizure of the American Embassy in Tehran in Nov. 1979. As the “hostage crisis” unfolded, the search for scapegoats to blame for the debacle began. Media reports about my alleged role in “forcing” President Jimmy Carter to allow the Shah to enter the United States for medical treatment ni October 1979 provided the American public with an inaccurate picture of my relationship with the Shah and his regime.

    The media learning that Henry Kissinger and I , along with a few others , had helped the Shah find sanctuary , first in the Bahamas and then in Mexico, concluded that we had “pressurised” the President to allow him into the United States. “For eight months” Bernard Wertzmann would write on the front page of the November 18 1979, New York Times ” Mr Carter and Mr Vance had resisted intense lobbying from American friends of the Shah, such as David Rockefeller, the Shah’s banker and former secretary of State Henry Kissinger, to stop treating the deposed ruler like, in Henry Kissingers words,” a flying dutchman” unable to find a safe haven………….

    Now that is direct from the book bearing no relation at all to what you have written. The first clue was that I have actually read this and its written in the first person as are most memoirs, not a paraphrase hash job to suit you some what specious argument

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  73. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Also Magic Bullet

    Read this book, it is one of the best memoirs of a major mover and shaker going around.

    If even 10% of the left wing half wits that fire off cheap shots at David Rockefeller had 5% of his humanity the world would be a much better place

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  74. kiwi in america (2,336 comments) says:

    philu
    Kind of like your prediction of Clark’s 4th term huh

    Magic bullet
    So where in all your quotes is proof that National manipulated the electoral boundaries or received donations from offshore bankers. You forgot the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderbergers oh and of course the Council on Foreign Relations – they are always at the heart of breathless conspiracy theories. Are you a truther as well?

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  75. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    This is marvelous news, the lunatic left well be like seagulls fighting over a fish head when it comes to bull shitting the brain dead loons.

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  76. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    Sue putting her hand up as the face of the left will do wonders for photo shop and airbrushing businesses Nationwide.

    The mini boom in the economy when Helen was the boss will be but a minor blip in the history of the NZX compared to this.

    Let the good times roll say I. :)

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  77. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    that’s right..!..kia..!..it’s all coming flooding back to me…

    ..before the mccain/palin screeds…

    ..there was that long period we suffered even more long screeds of yr analysis…

    ..telling us all the reasons clinton was gonna beat obama in the primaries…

    ….eh..?

    and..

    “..“Bradford says she will lead” – Not one of her strengths really…”

    really..?…isn’t she the one who led/built up the peoples centre…

    ..the one who led an inordinate number of private members’ bills thru parliament..?

    bradford has been leading/organising since she was about sixteen yrs old…

    ..good to see yr analysis is as razor-sharp as ever….

    ..eh..?..there…kia…?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  78. Pete George (21,831 comments) says:

    Bradford was on NatRad this afternoon. She admitted that there is little chance of such a party getting sufficient traction by this year’s election, it would only be worthwhile if someone like Harawira donated a seat, then they would hope to get enough party votes to get another two or three perhaps (my guess at numbers) – but I don’t think she’s got the pulling power anyway. Her voter appeal has never been tested, she’s always been in on the Green list.

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  79. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    “I don’t think she’s got the pulling power anyway.”

    Very, very, cruel assessment Petey. But I do agree with you.

    I would never let her pull me. :)

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  80. slightlyrighty (2,449 comments) says:

    I see this as very good for National. It will push center left voters to the right, and pull support from the far left.

    The greens polled 6.72% at the last election. The greens would be the obvious party to pull support from. If this new part gets 2% of the vote, then the greens would be under the MMP threashold, and Labour would lose a coalition partner

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  81. big bruv (12,388 comments) says:

    Pete

    Comrade Bradford on radio left wing…..Wow, never thought that would happen.

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  82. Chuck Bird (4,415 comments) says:

    They are both adverts for Eugenics. Hone’s mother is a low life criminal. She should have been neutered. Hone’s children will grow up to be racist bludgers. Bradford should not been all lowed to breed allowed to breed. They are both pond scum and should never have been allowed in parliament.

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  83. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    The Maori party will become a right wing party and keep all it’s seats, damn the laughter is making me roll on the floor.
    I can see the Maori party becoming centrist by NZ standards but not right wing.

    Hone will stay with the Maori party, think they want to piss the Northern iwi off ?

    Damn, it will be funny if the Maori party ends up deciding who will form the government, guaranteed to get the foreshore back.

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  84. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    don’t forget ….i’ve seen you chuck…

    ..you wizened/twisted old fucken cracker…eh..?

    ..with yr skinny lips and yr nasty little mouth..

    ..and yr scared/scuttling way of moving around…

    ..eyes darting…

    ..you are one of the nastiest/vilest pieces of racist-crap that lurk in this swamp…

    ..and that is saying something..

    ..for you to bob above the other turds makes you really special..eh..?

    ..how fucken dare you attack peoples children like that..

    ..they have nothing to do with their parents’ politics..

    ..you poxy bitter old cnut…eh..?

    …phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  85. Johnboy (13,439 comments) says:

    “speaking of aussie white-trash…”

    “..you wizened/twisted old fucken cracker…eh..?

    “i don’t banter with racists…eh..?” :)

    Crikey. Oi think Pheel the Phucken Racist Phuckweet shall be your new name. :)

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  86. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    i’m not bantering with him..

    i’m trying to projectile-vomit all over him..

    ..he deserves nothing less…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  87. kiwi in america (2,336 comments) says:

    philu

    that’s right..!..phil..!..it’s all coming flooding back to me…

    ..before the centre left victory screeds…

    ..there was that long period we suffered even more of yr drug addled analysis…

    ..telling us all the reasons clark was going to beat key…

    ….eh..?

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  88. KevinH (1,129 comments) says:

    Hone Harawira’s support base is in Te Tai Tokerau with the Maori Party, it is unlikely that he would stray from that. His eye is on the leadership of the Maori Party and he is desirous of canvassing that opinion amongest the electorates in a road show around the country.
    Hones bottoms lines are: Vote against the second reading of the Takutai Moana Bill, dump it. Withdraw from the coalition with National, and form a new coalition with Labour and the Greens.
    Hone does’ have a lot of support in Te Tai Tokerau and could go independent.

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  89. JNR (2 comments) says:

    What an astonishing display of circular group buggery. I am impressed by all the “knowledgeable” people here, none of whom seem even capable of spelling the names of their targets correctly, let alone knowing anything accurate about them. The biggest laugh from this is the irony of the statements about the left fractionating. I for one am looking forward to the mayhem to be caused by Brash and hopefully Banksie too. Then there’s that farmers’ party that we keep hearing rumours about…

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  90. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Sue…is that you posting as JNR…?Sneaking onto dead threads is bad bad form lady. ;-0

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