Holmes on Laws on Paralympics

February 20th, 2011 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

Like many, I was disgusted with what said about paralympians last week. Belittling the efforts of those who spend eight hours a day training to be the best they can be was very stupid, and Paul Holmes let loose in response:

Some of the finest, most inspirational men and women I have ever known have been Paralympians.

But Michael Laws thinks Paralympic sport is ludicrous.

No, Michael, it’s not ludicrous. It’s actually brilliant.

It’s brilliant that it exists and it is genuinely brilliant to see.

In Christchurch this summer, at the Paralympic World Championships (as opposed to the Paralympic Games themselves), those of us there watched the brilliant South African Oscar Pistorius run on his carbon-fibre plates.

Pistorius is one second slower over 100m than Usain Bolt. Bolt, of course, does not have to endure the pain of the impact on the point where the prostheses meet the flesh. But Paralympians will never tell you about that because Paralympians, in my experience, rarely complain.

This is something many people don’t realise – many paralympians battle significant pain when they compete – not just your normal pain of exertion.

No, Michael. is not ludicrous. Going out to Howick and shagging a P addict on bail who’s called you up on the radio programme is ludicrous. Having the cops come round to your home because you’re being beaten up by your wife is ludicrous.

Fighting desperately over an “H” in the name of a town is ludicrous.

Ouch.

I wanted to cry when I read Michael Laws’ comments. After the decades of struggle by Paralympics to be recognised not as some kind of therapy for cripples, but as genuine sport performed with dedication by physically impaired people, we get an ignorant comment from an intelligent broadcaster who should know better. …

Believe me, no one makes it to the Paralympics unless they are the best of the best. And every day there is the hassle of getting up, perhaps getting through the spasms, getting into the chair, getting to the toilet, getting clean and getting into the day. Paralympians are people who never gave up.

Paralympians are different from able-bodied sports people, that is true. But the runner is different from the shot-putter and the shot-putter is different from the soccer player. What about it? The runner does not say the shot-putter is not a sportsman.

I have a picture in my mind from the Olympic Pool at Barcelona during the 1992 Paralympics. It has stayed with me forever. A young woman lifts herself out of the pool. She levers herself out, really.

She has little stumps for legs with little feet and little toes. She has only one arm and it is a stump too, with a little hand and little fingers. I suppose thalidomide might have been involved. She is truly, stunningly beautiful. She has won her event. Her radiant smile I will never forget.

Words matter, Michael. Words are the most powerful weapon a human being has. Words can build up, they can save a soul, they can make someone feel love, they can cheer the down-trodden and the sad and those who lack purpose.

They can lift the heart and restore the spirit. But they can destroy too, and hurt, and demean those who do their very best to achieve against the odds to become talented, winning sportsmen and women.

One of Paul’s best ever columns.

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69 Responses to “Holmes on Laws on Paralympics”

  1. tvb (4,430 comments) says:

    These people are heros and endure much to get their achievement in what must be a very grim life. Laws is one of the most immature unbalanced people I have ever met. He lives a kind of petrified adolescence, stuck with an emotional immaturity of 19 years.

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  2. Jimbob (641 comments) says:

    tvb, agree.

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  3. EverlastingFire (286 comments) says:

    “shagging a P addict on bail who’s called you up on the radio programme”

    Milly Elder?

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  4. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    I came in here to say I doubt that Michael Laws cares what some liberal sap like Paul Holmes thinks.

    Then I read the blog post and laughed, I didn’t know Paul Holmes had this kind of passion about anything, really.

    Media bitchfight!

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  5. big bruv (13,928 comments) says:

    What a precious wanker Paul Holmes is, while some might not have liked what Laws had to say the fact of the matter is that Laws was dead right.

    He did not denigrate the athletes themselves, he did not attack them as people he simply told the truth about a sport that the PC wankers have deiced we MUST pretend to be interested in.

    As for the P addict reference, that is a bit fucking rich coming from Holmes, a man who has spent years keeping his own fucked up daughter out of prison, a daughter that would be looking at the inside of a cell by now had she not had a ‘celebrity’ father.

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  6. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    I don’t really give a shit either way. People who’re interested in sports can argue this one out…

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  7. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    As for the P addict reference, that is a bit fucking rich coming from Holmes, a man who has spent years keeping his own fucked up daughter out of prison, a daughter that would be looking at the inside of a cell by now had she not had a ‘celebrity’ father.

    zing!

    Pretty ironic, really.

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  8. adze (2,126 comments) says:

    1) Michael Laws was wrong to mock paralympic sport. They are athletes in every sense, however..

    2) Holmes was wrong to mock male victims of domestic violence because of Laws, that was cheap, and entirely Paul “Cheeky Darkie” Holmes’ style. Therefore…

    3) Holmes is still a tool, even if he makes the odd good point.

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  9. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    big bruv said “He did not denigrate the athletes themselves”

    In fact, Laws said of Adam Hall “The fact the guy was able to fall down, get up again and still win, shows that really there wasn’t a hell of a lot of competition in his field, was there?”

    If that isn’t denigration, then what is?

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  10. MT_Tinman (3,203 comments) says:

    “Pistorius is one second slower over 100m than Usain Bolt. Bolt, of course, does not have to endure the pain of the impact on the point where the prostheses meet the flesh. But Paralympians will never tell you about that because Paralympians, in my experience, rarely complain.”

    And Bolt does not have, in fact is not allowed to have springs attached to his legs giving him a serious advantage over others and demonstrating exactly what Laws said.

    In fact I doubt either are correct.

    Let people in wheelchairs have wheelchair races, blind people play blind cricket etc.

    Just don’t pretend it matters, it means anything. It doesn’t!

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  11. MT_Tinman (3,203 comments) says:

    Rodders (508) Says:
    February 20th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
    big bruv said “He did not denigrate the athletes themselves”

    In fact, Laws said of Adam Hall “The fact the guy was able to fall down, get up again and still win, shows that really there wasn’t a hell of a lot of competition in his field, was there?”

    If that isn’t denigration, then what is?

    Telling the truth?

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  12. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    “Telling the truth”

    All depends on how obnoxious your view of others is, I guess. And no, I don’t endorse Holmes comments about unrelated behaviour of Laws, either.

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  13. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    If you like sport (and Lhaws claims to) I cannot see how you can find the efforts of Paralympians at least as inspiring as those of other athletes and indeed – for the reasons Paul has espoused – moreso.

    I, however, find all sport incredibly dull. I’d rather wade through a GD on religion than one debating whether a coach ought to have chosen, or not chosen, someone to pick up a ball and run round with it. I’d change channels on a Paralympic event as quickly as I would on an All Blacks final (if that’s what they call them).

    While big bruv talks of “PC wankers” decreeing we must be interested in a certain sport, how are they any different to most other wankers who assume one must be interested in any sport, and start talking to you about it as soon as you meet them? Taxi drivers, for instance. And then when you politely explain you’d rather count toothpicks than watch “the big game”, they look at you as though there’s something wrong with you.

    To say that is to speak of oneself, and there’s nothing offensive about it. But for Lhaws, that’s the point. Every week he has to desperately cast around for something more ofensive than last week, in order to make sure he maintains some level of relevance to the rest of us. Suggested eugenics already? Better move on to attacking perfectly decent and worthy people who were born different, or who have been made different by a terrible accident.

    As Rodders points out, there was plenty of denigration, not just of Paralympians – offensive enough in itself – but of named persons, in Lhaws’ diatribe.

    The point, as Paul puts it, is that:

    [Words] can lift the heart and restore the spirit. But they can destroy too, and hurt, and demean those who do their very best

    Yet week after week, and day after day on radio, Lhaws uses words to belittle, criticise and attack, all to one end – publicity for himself. Unless of course the topic is himself – a frequent occurrence. Certainly Paul has been guilty of things like the “cheeky darky” comment… but the Secretary General of the UN presents a bigger and, I would suggest, more deserving target than Paralympians, not that I condone the comment itself.

    And I can’t let the shots at Paul over Millie Elder pass. Yes, he’s fought to keep his daughter out of jail, as any father would. Has he achieved that because of his celebrity? I don’t know, but if he has it’s a failure of the system, not the father, because it is the law that is charged with seeing all persons as equals, not their parents.

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  14. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Cheers, Rex

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  15. Manolo (13,837 comments) says:

    Nothing but a battle of two aging radio divas. Who cares about Holmes?

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  16. nickb (3,687 comments) says:

    TBH I think Paul Holmes and Michael Laws would make a good couple.

    They are both self-important, preening narcissists with no substance.

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  17. ephemera (557 comments) says:

    I don’t see the problem people gave with Laws. He was only saying what he thought. Just like Paul Henry.

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  18. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    “He was only saying what he thought”

    When he was an MP, he floated the idea that a woman with a severely disabled boy should be able to have a lethal injection administered to him. He was on the Holmes programme when he said it too.

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  19. ephemera (557 comments) says:

    So? Now he isn’t an MP. Can’t he say what he likes?

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  20. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    “So? Now he isn’t an MP. Can’t he say what he likes?”

    Indeed he can, as people have the right to hate him.

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  21. ephemera (557 comments) says:

    If people are annoyed, they are just being politically correct, surely?

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  22. Fishfurta (15 comments) says:

    Laws and Holmes are both plonkers .
    That bloke sure can run with those spring things !
    Shame that lovely young girl wthout proper arms and legs couldnt strap an electric outboard motor on her back . She could probably thrash “Thorpedo” .
    Quite a lot of young Paraplegics Zonk themselves because of their disability . (Usually because of the dramatic change in ability to participate in physical activities .) Sport is something which gives them self esteem and often helps them regain enjoyment of life .

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  23. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    “If people are annoyed, they are just being politically correct, surely?”

    So, you are someone who never gets annoyed at anything you hear, see or read?

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  24. ephemera (557 comments) says:

    I get annoyed at many things, and am constantly told I’m being politically correct. how is this any different?

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  25. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    So, you are saying that people who are annoyed with Laws are just being politically correct, but you get annoyed when people tell you that you’re being politically correct?

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  26. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Politically correct: a handy shorthand term for “I have no rational argument to offer, so I’ll simply accuse yours of being based in irrationality”.

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  27. Rodders (1,755 comments) says:

    Indeed :)

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  28. paws (197 comments) says:

    shagging a P addict on bail who’s called you up on the radio programme”

    Milly Elder?
    I would but,sigh im old(but not that old and still have a good head of hair)BUT again SIGH im not a maori im a fit WMF,scum of NZ us pakehas

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  29. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    ephemera is well/aptly-named…

    ..eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  30. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    when douchebags fall out…(i know..!..i know..!..i love a mashed-up metaphor..)

    who can forget the many ‘lifestyle-choice’ sneers from holmes at the poor…?

    ..the racism..?

    the craven sucking up to key….(it’s a toss-up between him and henry…for who is the most suckiest to key…)

    ..oh..!..the memories..

    ..then there is lhaws…

    ..it reads like a type of fungal-infection…dosen’t.it..?

    i’ve got a dose of lhaws in the you know where…

    ..i need antiseptic-cream…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  31. ephemera (557 comments) says:

    For what its worth, I think Laws is a douche-bag, and his comments beyond the pale. I am just curious why Paul Henry gets rallied around as some kind of irreverent ‘politically-incorrect’ wit when he comes out with his bollocks, while Laws is vilified by the same people (Holmes, et al).

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  32. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    phil, I really must challenge your asertion that Paul has indulged in the same kind of “it’s a lifestyle choice” rhetoric on the poor as have Key and Lhaws. Of course I haven’t heard or read every word to emerge from Holmes over the years but I’ve generally found him – for all his other faults – a person capable of compassion and empathy.

    Take this recent interview (transcript) with Paula Rebstock of the Welfare Working Group:

    PAULA …I think that it is a little bit of a cop-out to say that we can’t deal to some of the issues around long-term benefit dependency because of the job market.

    PAUL Oh, come on, Paula, the jobs simply aren’t there. I mean, if you look at 2006, there was a 30,000 net gain of jobs. In 2008 it had gone down a bit – 9,000 net gain. God knows what it is this year.

    That’s hardly blaming the unemployed for their plight. Sure, earlier in the same interview he says:

    It may be just an old man talking, but it seems to be if you give an 18-year-old the benefit, the 18-year-old is going to be reluctant ever really to leave it.

    but that’s a legitimate concern, and he goes on to discuss alternatives, not simply blame (as would, for instance, Lhaws). And he makes the point that 50% are off welfare before the anniversary of their sign-on date, that some beneficiaries have psychiatric problems, and so on. Can you imagine Lhaws or even Key making those points?!

    Some of what Paul has said in the past I haven’t agreed with. But to take one of the most infamous, the “cheeky darky” thing, I don’t think that’s an indication of underlying racism at all. Although age seems finally to be giving him some gravitas, Paul was as much an entertainer as a journalist – a sort of mild version of Norman Gunston. The more “shocking” outbursts were made with the same motivation – more “look at me” than prejudice. I worked up the hallway on 2ZB when he was on 2ZM and got sacked for phoning the Archbishop of Canterbury. Even then he never intended offence (indeed the Archbishop came to his defence, saying how polite he’d been) but simply to draw attention to himself and entertain his audience. In decades of doing that you’re inevitably going to make the odd bad judgement call.

    Lhaws on the other hand… his statements are made without humour, are consistent (and indeed almost unceasing) and, I know from personal experience, come from a dark and unpleasant place. To lump them together like that is, I feel, quite unfair.

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  33. paws (197 comments) says:

    Remember folks its only one idiots thoughts, ps his ex the flat chested female body builder,brings a SHUDDER on but then she is she and the handicaped are the same, competing and doing the best they can do, live and let live i say, but hell its post fodder for Mr Farrar. hows it hanging, big bruv?? L R or center

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  34. BeaB (2,125 comments) says:

    I don’t always like what Laws says but I defend his right to say it (not to the death though). I am tired of silly columnists writing silly stuff for their sensationalist papers (the new SST is just pages and pages of crap) but I don’t have to read it and I don’t have to like it or agree with it. Nor do I need Paul Holmes banging on at tedious length to state the flipping obvious.

    I am sick and tired of over-paid public servants and spokespeople for interest groups telling us pompously that what we have seen or heard isn’t suitable for us. The overseas spokesperson for the paralympics even called for his resignation! How did a liberal society that is supposed to value freedom of speech become so punitive and restricted?

    Let’s sack all these so-called ‘rights’ people and advertising and broadcasting so-called watchdogs and assume that we are all grownups and don’t need the State or anyone else to tell us what to think or say.

    Being offended or outraged is up to you. Go and kick the cat if you are frothing but leave my liberties alone.

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  35. PaulL (5,987 comments) says:

    I think what the paralympians do is very uplifting. They work damn hard to get where they are.

    Thing is, in sport working hard isn’t what we measure. Many schoolboy sports teams work damn hard, don’t see them on the big screen very often, don’t see them getting paid the big dollars.

    The reality is that sport is a business, not some sort of uplifting “let’s all try hard” kind of thing. If that’s what you’re into, you play sport, not watch it. If you’re into watching sport, then what you’re doing is consuming an entertainment product. And that product is designed to draw in the viewers, create competition (through draws/draft, salary caps, handicapping sometimes), and entertain. That’s why they turn a blind eye to drugs unless someone is dominating the competition. That’s why ladies sport gets paid less than mens (unless the ladies wear short skirts…..which immediately pushes up viewers and money).

    So, if we’re saying that paralympians are uplifting the same way schoolboy rugby is, then yes. If we’re saying people should watch it the same way people watch top grade rugby…..not going to happen. The pool of people is smaller, there are lots of categories with a few people in each, it’s not entertainment and elite athletics the same say “normal” sport is.

    And, finally, on the guy with the carbon blades….I thought a study had been done that concluded he was getting no biomechanical advantage from it.

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  36. IHStewart (388 comments) says:

    ” …shagging a P addict on bail who’s called you up on the radio programme ”

    Paul is inacurate here he should have said former P addict and it should be noted as soon as she realised what a tosser Laws is she ditched him. You can read her coments on this issue here

    http://wonderfulnow.blogspot.com/2011/02/world-paralympic-body-slams-laws.html#comments

    Jackie has commented on Pauls coloum here

    http://wonderfulnow.blogspot.com/2011/02/paul-holmes-its-not-ludicrous-michael.html#comments

    I think it is time for the NZ media to leave Jackie alone. When they can’t even get their facts right you have to wonder are they exploiting her for their own edification ?

    She has payed her price and has done so with dignity.

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  37. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    Laws is a dick.

    But Holmes is just as bad, in fact what is ludicrous is that he thinks he’s qualified to comment on the ills of society at all with his track record.
    like wading so strongly into the anti smacking debate when he displays the parenting skills of a washed up has been rock star.
    Two peas from the same pod.

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  38. bc (1,367 comments) says:

    It’s a shame that Law’s makes these stupid outbursts. Who knows why he does it – ratings? insecurity? desire to be noticed?
    Whatever, the resaon I say it is a shame because he can write well, and at times he has interesting things to say. But of course these outrageous statements of his get picked up by the media, which means he gets perceived as a “short-jock” or just an outright nutter. Meanwhile, his more reasoned comments get ignored.
    A case in point is his article today in the Sunday Star Times, about the response of the principal at Morrinsville College to the assault on a student:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/opinion/4676436/Harsh-lessons-dealt-on-the-toilet-floor

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  39. Michael (910 comments) says:

    Those of you who think Paralympics is not a serious sporting event should enter as an able bodied person in your best event. And then try to keep up – the top paralympians are top athletes who would kick your ass around the track. If it wasn’t for the missing body parts most of them would be competing in the elite levels of mainstream sports.

    P.S. The “Blade Runner” Pistorius doesn’t have ‘springs’ or any other devices in his legs, anything that reduces impact or mechanically helps the athlete is banned.

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  40. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Shunda barunda says:

    he displays the parenting skills of a washed up has been rock star

    Gee you’re not usually one to jump to that sort of judgement with little to base it on Shunda. Never had a kid go off the rails (and stay off the rails) despite your best efforts, I take it? None of us are perfect parents, but I’ve looked at Paul’s situation and wondered what I’d have done differently, and come up empty.

    I take it on that basis you think Paula Bennett is responsible for her daughter’s situation? Mind you, I don’t recall Paul inviting Milly’s P dealer boyfriend to bunk up with her at Chez Holmes…

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  41. MyNameIsJack (2,415 comments) says:

    YAY! I always wanted to be an athlete. Looks like all I need to do is pay an arm or a leg. :-)

    …anything that reduces impact or mechanically helps the athlete is banned.

    I’d say the prosthesis helps the athlete. I’d like to see him run without it!

    This fuss is just as dumb as the one that errupted around Jimmy Carr’s joke 18 months ago.

    “Say what you like about those servicemen amputees from Iraq and Afghanistan, but we’re going to have a fucking good Paralympic team in 2012.”

    I laughed then. I laugh again now.

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  42. SHG (316 comments) says:

    Iirc amputees running on carbon blades have a huge advantage over able-bodied athletes, all things being equal (ie, comparing athletes of similar age, fitness, training, etc).

    The blades are lighter than legs, more efficient at transferring downward force to the ground, they don’t require blood (meaning all that blood and cardiac effort can be used elsewhere) and they produce no waste products.

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  43. notofonganui (3 comments) says:

    Words matter … they sure do.
    At no stage did Michael Laws attack disabled sport or disabled athletes.
    Go and listen to the Friday show on Radio Live and the Monday editorial … where’s the attack, denigration or belittling??

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  44. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    Did Paul Holmes note that a radio ratings survey was due to begin on the Monday after Laws made his comments? Or that one was doe to begin on the Monday following the Friday when he made the revelation that he had been having a relationship with the woman in Howick who had life experiences completely different to his?

    Michael Laws has a knack for self-promotion. God help us all if he offers himself as a candidate for Winston First this year.

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  45. kowtow (8,521 comments) says:

    I don’t give a shit for Holmes’ opinion on any thing.

    Pistorius does whine like hell. Let me run let me run……..Sorry mate not with those things on.

    And Bolt ,he’s just too damned fast to be real.

    The whole thing is bollocks .

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  46. backster (2,174 comments) says:

    B C……….An excellent column exposing an outrageous attitude which foments future criminality. TOLLEY and COLLINs should have at least expressed some interest in this situation. Although the Police are now involved I wonder whether they will arrest and place the perpetrators before the court or whether it will result in bureaucratic conferences among many agencies of interest resulting in the matter being dealt with by the college. What LAWs didn’t mention was that this Headmaster blamed the victim for bringing his school into disrepute by publicising the issue.

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  47. salt (133 comments) says:

    Holmes is a dork but he makes an excellent point here.

    To all those who think paralympians aren’t worth watching: think of the sportspeople you DO think are worth watching. In twenty years’ time, their records will have been be surpassed – by people who have had the advantage of more optimal training, more optimal upbringing, more optimal genetics. Does that make the records set by today’s champions any less interesting to you?

    Paralympians (mostly) wouldn’t beat fully-abled Olympians of today, true. But why does that matter? As someone said above, does it matter that a world-champion soccer player would not beat a shotputter at shotput? These athletes are setting incredible paralympic records – which would beat those of fully-able Olympians of years past – and, more to the point, are examples of the triumph of human spirit over adversity. Why do you not find that impressive?

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  48. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    Gee you’re not usually one to jump to that sort of judgement with little to base it on Shunda. Never had a kid go off the rails (and stay off the rails) despite your best efforts, I take it? None of us are perfect parents, but I’ve looked at Paul’s situation and wondered what I’d have done differently, and come up empty.

    Maintaining a relationship with her mother would have been a good start.
    Perhaps in such a situation Paul would have been better off shutting his damned mouth than jumping so strongly on condemning parents that are doing a better job than he is.
    I do take your point that some kids will go off the rails regardless, but in Holmes case I think it would be a safe bet that he had something to do with it.

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  49. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Paul is inacurate here he should have said former P addict

    No such thing I’m afraid so watch your wallet cos once a fryer always a fryer and never to be trusted.

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  50. ben (2,380 comments) says:

    No, Michael. Paralympics is not ludicrous. Going out to Howick and shagging a P addict on bail who’s called you up on the radio programme is ludicrous. Having the cops come round to your home because you’re being beaten up by your wife is ludicrous.

    Fighting desperately over an “H” in the name of a town is ludicrous.

    But that’s just a pure ad hominem argument, and therefore weak. Was Holmes really that short of an argument to have to resort to this? This is just surrendering the high ground.

    I agree that Laws comments were silly.

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  51. Rich Prick (1,705 comments) says:

    Neither of these narcissistic “celebrities” are worth a knob of goat’s shit. Laws shags a P addict, Holmes has one for a daughter. Fuck, life is a little better outside of Orkland or godforsaken W(h)anganui. Only Women’s Weekly or other slag’s mags would give a toss.

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  52. Bobbie black (507 comments) says:

    Ridiculous self promotion.

    Laws is a talk back host.

    They are suposed to be controversial, say controversial things, that’s the whole idea of the show.

    Unfortunately though, in little old PC baaah land, it is more than customary for people get their dags in a knot.

    Holmes reminds me of a hedgehog with a stutter.

    Has he ever managed to get a sentence out without breaking it half-way to think?

    Baaahh.

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  53. Jacqueline (10 comments) says:

    No such thing I’m afraid so watch your wallet cos once a fryer always a fryer and never to be trusted.

    It is exactly comments and attitudes like yours Cha, that takes away people’s hope, keeps them stuck in a vicious cycle, and makes rehab such a profitable industry. Your attitude was all i had heard when i was stuck in that life, and that attitude kept me stuck there just that little bit longer.

    Remember – “Words are the most powerful weapon a human being has. Words can build up, they can save a soul, they can make someone feel love, they can cheer the down-trodden and the sad and those who lack purpose.

    They can lift the heart and restore the spirit. But they can destroy too, and hurt, and demean those who do their very best to achieve against the odds”

    Hopefully my story has made even just one person out there realise that attitudes like yours are WRONG Cha…and they too can and will fix their life. THAT will have made it all worth it.

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  54. Bobbie black (507 comments) says:

    Laws makes say ten controversial comments in one week as A TALK BACK HOST.

    2 are outrageous. OK.

    Eight are the eight that no one else has the balls to actually say in lil ol whitie Baaaahhh land. But all you whitie sheep, though personally too scared to baaahhh it out loud, you think it.

    It is the eight that counts.

    That is why I support him 100%.

    Baaaahhhhh!

    Don’t take it personally Jacqueline.

    As far as people rank, he will probably have the biggest heart you ever saw.

    That is why he does what he does, says what he says.

    He actually follows his heart, his instincts.

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  55. Inventory2 (10,342 comments) says:

    He actually follows his heart, his instincts.

    That’s bollocks Robert Black. Michael Laws has always done and will always continue to do whatever is in Michael Laws’ best interests.

    And Jacqueline – hang in there, and hold your head high. You are but one of many who fell under the spell of New Zealand’s version of Machiavelli.

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  56. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    breaking news..!

    kiwiblog commenter claims lhaws has a ‘heart’….

    ..the news is received with general disbelief…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  57. Bobbie black (507 comments) says:

    Let me tell you why I support Mike Laws.

    And we are not neo-nazis.

    It’s because the only racism we have ever known is against the white man, the pakeha.

    Surfing at Te Arai point, our local break, my brother dinged a Jaffa’s board then that Maori wanted to show us that he was the man, despite my bro saying sorry.

    Surfing at East Cape a car full of Maoris decided to scare us out of town.

    Surfing at Raglan, that old Maori cunt held my board and tried to stop me surfing Indicators.

    Then later, at the same break, a Maori told me to fuck off, away from the break.

    In London, East Acton, black men told me they were going to fuck me up.

    My father, uncle and grandfather all fought in the world wars.

    So, excuse me, but the only racism I have ever known was against me, the white man.

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  58. Bobbie black (507 comments) says:

    Do I hate Maoris and Africans…well, no.

    Do I hate real racism, not bs racism, yes.

    Will I stand up for my rights, yes.

    Am I a neo-nazi? No.

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  59. Bobbie black (507 comments) says:

    Do I want to beat Maoris out of shear frustration?

    It’s getting close and justified.

    Not quite, yet.

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  60. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (346 comments) says:

    Bobbie BLACK, in all these instances of racism towards you, were you as drunk as you are now?

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  61. Lipo (229 comments) says:

    The point most people including Holmes has missed is that Laws did not denigrate anyone.
    He rightly pointed out that you can’t compare the achievements of world class able bodied athletes, to those of disabled athletes
    He made the point about the Paralympics skier who fell and still won the event. I can’t see that happening at the Winter Olympics. His point was that there was more competition for able bodied athletes, and therefore success at this level should be rated higher

    And in this case he is 100% right – end of story

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  62. Bobbie black (507 comments) says:

    No, I was sober every time.

    Just white.

    Thanks for asking.

    I nearly lost an eye to Russians though, nailed.

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  63. Jacqueline (10 comments) says:

    Bobby – Not taking anything personally. I KNOW that i am not a P addict. I KNOW that recovery is possible. I KNOW that attitudes like Cha’s are as far from the truth as one can get. I KNOW that attitudes like his only benefit the profits of the rehab industry.

    I will always speak out about that attitude though, because i will never forget how hearing words like that hindered my willingness to even try to get better, until it took nearly dying for me to even try. The P problem in New Zealand is far worse than most people can even begin to comprehend, and if me speaking out makes just ONE person realise how not even how recovery is possible, but how EASY it is, and how much happiness is on the other side of such a terrible choice – then i give ignorant attitudes like Cha’s a positive purpose.

    And as far as Laws’ “heart” goes – well i am not here to make personal comments regarding him so i will just have to say that i can only assume that you have never spent much time with the guy, and are forming your opinion of him based on his public persona…either that or he spends lots of money on you. From my experience those are the only two groups of people that won’t admit or can’t see what he really is.

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  64. Jacqueline (10 comments) says:

    “And Jacqueline – hang in there, and hold your head high. You are but one of many who fell under the spell of New Zealand’s version of Machiavelli.”

    and cheers Inventory – The head is ALWAYS high ;) but now i have to go and google who this Machiavelli guy is! lol

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  65. Bobbie black (507 comments) says:

    I was at uni with the guy. Law major. Some girls were protesting even then as I recall, he had got one of them up the duff. I figured he was hands in for politics. Meanwhile I concentrated on getting rapists back on the street. Baaahhhh!

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  66. Jacqueline (10 comments) says:

    “Try showing up in Howick, Michael, lugging the wheelchair out of the car.”

    My response to that dig from Holmes was this…

    I will never help Michael Laws out of a wheelchair, but that has to do with his brain, his heart, his soul, and his mouth – not his legs.

    We all have different experiences that bring us to where we are today, and to think and feel the way that we do. I am glad that your experience with him was different to mine…and that is about all i am going to say re our differing opinions of Laws’ “heart” …

    I will say though, that i think it is a shame that Paul Holmes ruined such a good column with those low blows.

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  67. RRM (9,933 comments) says:

    One of Paul’s best ever columns.

    F**KING AYE! Holmesey just went up in my estimations considerably.

    What a vile, greasy little piece of arsewipe Lhaws is. Let him get up and see how he goes in competition with any paralympian before he decides to diminish them.

    [PS: And some great comments from Widerstrom in this thread... all seconded. Yet another game of Ugh-by - yawn. ]

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  68. Bob R (1,377 comments) says:

    @ Bobbie black,

    There was a letter to the DomPost the other day reporting intimidation of some people trying to launch a boat in Tauranga, with comments that they’d better enjoy the beach while they could.

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  69. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    “Having the cops come round to your home because you’re being beaten up by your wife is ludicrous.”

    What a disgusting comment. Where is the outrage over this? What would Paul suggest a man being assaulted by his wife should do? Fight back? And if he did and the police were called, is that ridiculous?

    Absolutely f**king disgusting.

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