Hone calls bin Laden a freedom fighter
May 5th, 2011 at 7:13 am by David FarrarNZ Herald reports:
Hone Harawira has described Osama bin Laden as “a man who fought for the rights, the land and the freedom of his people”.
In tributes on Maori-language television, the leader of the new Mana Party said the al-Qaeda founder should be “honoured” rather than “damned” in death according to Maori culture.
Mr Harawira twice paid tribute to bin Laden in te reo, saying it was Maori custom to acknowledge the dead. …
Mr Harawira said on Maori Television’s Native Affairs that bin Laden had “pursued independence for his people, his family and his tribe”.
When asked if he was concerned about how such comment could be construed, he said he was Maori and “tributes to the dead are always appropriate” in Maori custom.
Actually most of his familiy had disowned him, but let’s not even debate Hone’s factual errors.
I’m going to risk Godwin’s Law and ask whether Hone would say the same thing about Hitler. I mean it would almost fit – “Hitler pursued independence for his Germanic people, his family, and his Aryan tribe”.
Labour MP Shane Jones said he did not have the same level of affection for bin Laden as Mr Harawira.
He also scotched Mr Harawira’s claim that it was Maori custom to always pay tribute to the dead.
“In the old days, a great enemy – if he wasn’t eaten – his bones were used to make musical instruments. So this romantic notion that in the old time, Maori spent hours of their time saluting the enemy was not the case.
“Enemies were turned to dust and people rejoiced, because of the suffering they had caused.”
I’m with Shane Jones on this.
The Greens should be pleased with the existence of the new Mana Party. They finally have a party that makes then look moderate.
Related posts:
- Hone calls other Maori MPs “house niggers”
- Hone’s comparison
- Talking of Hone and Hitler
- Hone vs the student
May 5th, 2011 at 7:27 am
Yes because the Greens are so fully behind Islamic fundamentalism. :-/
DPF’s Kiwiblog, a sprinkling of WTF on your morning weet-bix since 2003…
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 7:29 am
I’m with Jones on this too, and also with Sharples:
He seems to contradict Harawira by suggesting the killing was utu. And I agree with comment on unseemly celebrations. The post killing propaganda (the “fog of war” doesn’t make stories up) embarrassed the US.
Got the bastard, move on.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 7:31 am
Amazing how historical perspective affects right and wrong.
Didn’t Te Rauparaha kill far more innocent civilians than Osama Bin Laden? And he’s got an events centre in Porirua named in his honour…
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 7:44 am
This should make it clearer who Hone believes ‘the infidel’ to be…
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 7:47 am
What???? “Hone Harawira has described Osama bin Laden as “a man who fought for the rights, the land and the freedom of his people”. In tributes on Maori-language television, the leader of the new Mana Party said the al-Qaeda founder should be “honoured” rather than “damned” in death according to Maori culture”. What???
MMP is the tool (excuse the pun) that will put this idiot in Parliament.
Reason No 32,466 why we should throw it when we get our chance in November.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 7:53 am
BODY LANGUAGE: interesting looking at the body language of the White House watching the Navy Seals online. All the men are macho, “good job” this is great Monday Night Action movie stuff. The only woman, Hilary, hand to mouth, shocked reaction. Interesting. men and women – so different. Don’t care about B. language of Hone and Don. Don got some media time and newACT promo away, end of objective.
Still think Nat and Maori should boycott by-election (if we get one).
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 7:57 am
Hone sees himself as a freedom He thinks he will succeed by alienating everyone who can actually help him. He has to stop being driven by his prejudice and bigotry. They are major obstacles in his quest to improve the lot of the less fortunate.
His first obstacle is to overcome the fixation that their position is the entire fault of everyone else but their own.
The stupid and tragic fact about all of this is that Brash and Hone would probably describe the same outcome of their policies if they were to work. Hone was given that opportunity. He was asked what “success”meant to him. He had a huge opportunity to say something constructive. Instead he gave an answer that was all about him and what he could achieve in the elections. I may be mis-judging him, but it seems to me that this is all about the self-gratification that he gets from the battle. It has nothing to do with an ultimate outcome. That is why he sees some affinity with OBL. For OBL, it was all about the battle. There is no way that he could have expected to a achieved anything but terror from his methods.
He needs to discard the Don Quixote cloak, stop trying to be a martyr in a misconceived fight to end oppression and start to get on with people whose ultimate goals are not altogether disimilar.
Vote:He also has to restore confidence in his veracity — ie stop telling fibs.
May 5th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Nothing new: an aspiring thug and gangster defending a barbaric criminal.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:04 am
@ nookin 7.57am: “He needs to discard the Don Quixote cloak, stop trying to be a martyr in a misconceived fight to end oppression and start to get on with people whose ultimate goals are not altogether dissimilar. He also has to restore confidence in his veracity — ie stop telling fibs”.
Touche.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:09 am
In between the tributes I wonder which aspects of Bin Laden’s tactical approach to gaining “independence for his people, his family and his tribe” Hone agrees with and would like to see duplicated in New Zealand?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:13 am
The more air time John Hatfield gets the better. Then all the bleeding heart white liberals (nasty greens) will come to see his true colours.
Vote:Its all about him and his warped sense of injustice. I doubt many of the above would share his thoughts about bin ladin. It is utu, so therefor is justified in maooori custom.
May 5th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Not quite. Harawira looks set to win his electorate seat, which would get him in regardless.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Even more interesting is Harawira’s refusal to engage with Duncan Garner on last Weekend’s The Nation interview. Garner asked a pointed question about Annette Sykes’ celebration of the 9/11 attack; Harawira gave her a ringing endorsement whilst completely ignoring Garner’s allegation. The transcript is here:
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/05/first-annette-now-hone.html
Sykes’ extremist views are going to become a real obstacle for the Mana Party as the election campaign progresses, and if Harawira continues to ignore them, we can make the assumption that he agrees with them.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:17 am
This is priceless. Hone is also becoming a “gift that keeps giving”.
I don’t think Hone would admire Hitler, because he was a “honky” …. but I bet if someone asked Hone if he admired Robert Mugabe (for clearing their “honkey” off the land) I reckon he will also admit to admiring Mugabe!
Sigh.
It’s time Labour and the Maori Party declared they will put a candidate in TTT to alleviate the suffering of the people of TTT of this Hone persona who displays woeful ignorance of the realities of the real world….
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:23 am
DPF – another thing the Greens should be grateful for… is that their kiwiblog thread-count will thin out until Hone either gets smart, or self-destructs
RRM:
I’ll take DPF’s weet-bix sprinkles in place of your moral relativism any day.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:32 am
Yes niggly, the next few months are going to be very amusing watching Hone thinking with his mouth.
All the signs point to him becoming a complete laughing stock who will embarass even his own supporters. Its going to be very funny watching Minto/McCarten/Gargoyle/Sykes et al trying to control his mouth when in fact they haven’t got a hope in hell. How long will it take them to realise that he’s only using them to try and get back in and that it will be Hone’s way or the highway. Poor old Minto. I hope he’s already booked that traffic island outside the Stanley St Tennis stadium for the NZ Open next season. He won’t have anything else to do.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:34 am
He also scotched Mr Harawira’s claim that it was Maori custom to always pay tribute to the dead.
…………………………
The 22 settlers killed in the Wairau Affray (1843) were buried by the Rev Ironside, with the grudging consent of the Ngati Toa Chiefs (“better leave them to the wild pigs”).
Wait ’till the American tourists hear that Hone… Tamaki Bro….?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:37 am
And I take back my comments on Hone’s political skills. I presume not even his supporters think much of OBL. I hope not.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:42 am
In his latest move to address Maori unemployment Hone Hatefield is demanding government funding for a learn to fly program for Maori youth.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:44 am
ben I would not be so bold as to presume anything of Hones supporters.
They feel hard done by and anything Hone says that takes a swipe at the MOFO’s will be ok with them, if Hone says OBL was/is a role model for “disenfranchised maori” then he is/was a role model.
His supporters may never wake up to the fact that they have now become pawns in the McCarten , Minto, Bradford Unite Union communist takeover bid of the country. The dope fogs the brain too much.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Where the hell is he going to find 72 Maori virgins though?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:48 am
The more air time Brash gets ; the more reasonable people can see what a racist idiot he is and just how much trouble he is out to foment. How lame his excuse for keeping Rodney on as a Minister..Two pieces of legalislation which he could hardly name. What does Rodney have on Brash? A lot I would say.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:51 am
So Hone wants to applaud Bin Laden as a freedom fighter. Does he agree with sending suicide bombers into market places with bomb loaded vehicles killing innocent men women and children? Hone’s approach to grievence is confrontational. He obviously doesn’t want to be reasonable.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Brash is a racist idiot? And your hero Hone is what joana?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:55 am
If a comparison to Hitler must be made…..
Hitlers party, the National Socialist Workers Party, was formed from disaffected blue-collar workers. As is Hone’s.
The core of the dis-satisfaction felt by Hitler and those the joined his Nazi party was that the Jews had taken their jobs and money. Mostly the Jews of that time were middle-class merchants and bankers. Hone thinks that the white
mother-f*****sman has taken wealth off him and Maori. There’s a lot of middle-class merchants and professionals among that group.Hitler managed to breed such a body of lies about the Jews in the minds of the German people that they were convinced that the Jew was dangerous, had to be identified and ultimately wiped out – i.e. massive propaganda. While Hone hasn’t made statements that extreme, he has stated that his policies will target “the rich” (i.e. not him and his supporters) which encompasses a degree of identification and targeting of punitive policy. He is constantly repeating slogans about how everyone else is racist, everyone else is wrong, and everyone else owes him. Propaganda. Repeated again and again. There’s a core group of supporters that believe him. There’s a much larger group who wants to believe what he’s saying, so they will be sucked in.
As an aside, Brash has to get away from being on the defensive with Hone. Hone chucks out the “you’re racist Don” line, and then sits back while Brash sets about defending himself. Brash should not be sucked into denying allegations thrown about the place. It’s clever from Hone and stupid of Brash.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Bob yes I believe that he does agree with it and it is only a matter of time in his mind before he can sic his faithful flock onto the MOFO’s in any crowded venue.
He has been raised in hate, what else should we expect?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:58 am
Hey Hone you Maori smelly racist cunt.
I wanna smack you.
You call me a white MOFO, I agree and then I smack you in the head.
OK Hone, let’s set it up.
I wanna fuck you up nigger.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:02 am
I know Annette Sykes and I like her. Her extremist views if you call them that are for political purposes. I find her approachable sensible and she is very warm person. I could vote for her.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:04 am
I hope Hone keeps his seat. I think his constituency might put up with this crap but it is great for the rest of the country to hear this from him as he will help keep majority public opinion massively against Maori based initiatives.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:04 am
McCarten must be weeping over this.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Crikey Bobby.
Had a few mate?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Did anyone else notice Hone rolling his eyes and looking at the ceiling last night, when asked a question he thought he should not have to answer?
It displayed his arrogance to me.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:10 am
They used to say the same about a guy called Adolf in Germany of the 20s and 30s.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Tvb, do you think history should judge politicians by how congenial they were in person? Can we dismiss anyone’s “extreme” views as being simply “for political purposes” as long as they have a warm handshake and a nice smile?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Well tvb she isn’t as warm as those people who burnt to death in the World Trade Centre whilst Sykes clapped and cheered.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:13 am
… and Hulun Manolo …
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Harawira is the George Galloway of NZ politics. Except that Galloway wasn’t a mum’s boy.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Whats the problem lofty? bobby is just returning to Hatfield in kind. Sauce for geese etc.
Frankly I’m just happy that hone is off the leash and people can see him for what he is, a violent racist thug who admires terrorists and terrorism.
Hes only going to get worse and those who support him are going to have to become more extreme further isolating themselves from reality and voting public. This tool things hes going to get an armed revolution and overthrow the evil white mother fuckers so let him come out and say it.
Puts something of a different perspective on those Uruwera raids now given these attitudes doesn’t it.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:22 am
John Hatfield makes satire redundant.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:27 am
Oh no problem Murray, it is just that Bobby has way about him, thats all.
I often wonder when he wakes up with a ringing hangover if he ever thinks “fuck what have I said now?”
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:29 am
And yes Murray I think you are quite correct in your summation.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Embrace the dark side and have no regrets lofty.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:51 am
If bin Laden is justifiably killed for organising the mass killing of thousands of innocent men, women and children then surely so should Obama and Bush II and Bush I and Cheney and Clinton and the list goes on and on and on and on… for their part (by way of just one example) in supplying to Saddam Hussein all of the chemicals and weapons for killing thousands of his own innocent men women and children.
bin Laden was one of the world’s worst criminals. So are all ex-Presidents of the USA for the exact same reasons.
Talk about heads in the sand.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Goodness me, vto!!! I think you’ve been mixing with the dark side over at the Standard for too long, take a holiday, you’ll come right
again.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Bobbie Black @ 8:58am…thats offensive , disgusting and racist. Full marks.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Bout damn time I reckon starboard. these whiny assed lefties who can’t take a dump without moral equvilency holding their hand can cram it.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Here is a challenge to the left, the liberal, hand wringing, guilt soaked left.
Show me a clip, or a quote (just one) from Dr Brash that is in any way racist.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:05 am
American Indians are deeply offended:
Indian Tribe Seeks Apology for Use of Code Name Geronimo for Bin Laden
The Fort Sill Apache Tribe leader is demanding that President Obama apologise for the government’s use of the code name “Geronimo for terrorist Usbama bin Laden. Tribal Chairman Jeff Houser asked for the apology in a letter sent Tuesday to the president.
“We are grateful that the United States was successful in its mission against Bin Laden, but associating Geronimo’s name with an international terrorist only perpetuates old stereotypes about Apaches,” Houser wrote.
“In the 1800′s, Geronimo and the Chiricahua Apache people were portrayed as savages,” he added. “This portrayal was used as justification for the forced removal from their homelands and their subsequent imprisonment. Linking Geronimo’s name to an infamous terrorist only reinforces this false and defamatory stereotype.”
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:06 am
Its getting even funnier. Ranganui Walker has compared OBL to Te Kooti. As Whaleoil points out, the Te Kooti family might not be feeling too good about that. Hilarious.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:09 am
I did wonder if the use of that name (Geronimo) would cause offense.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:11 am
hee hee grumpy, just trying to stir things up. But is an entirely fair point imo and happy to be shown how those who manufacture and supply to the world’s dictators and terrorists the weaponry used to kill innocent people are not responsible for those killings, in the exact same manner as bin Laden. It seems any decent sized country with a military industry is complicit in this.
bin Laden was called a freedom fighter by Reagan no less for his help in dealing to the russians in afghanistan not that long ago.
I mean, really, does anybody seriously believe the terrorist / freedom fighter / nato / soldier / etc tags that are assigned to each group? They are all as bad as each other. In fact the USA government’s armed forces have killed more innocents than anyone else the last decade or so……
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:21 am
vto; When someone is run over by a drunk driver, is the car manufacturer responsible?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:23 am
TVB- “Her extremist views if you call them that”
I’d consider Sykes clapping and cheering as she watched thousands die in the September 11 attacks pretty fucking extreme.
I’d also consider her “kill a white” comments rather extreme also.
She is also involved in the Urewera affair. Defending the rights of Maori to operate training camps to train to ‘kill White People’…..
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:24 am
ciaron, try to be a bit more clever. Would your opinion change if the car was designed to run over people and the manufacturer supplied it knowing it would used for that purpose? Sheesh..
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:31 am
“the Chiricahua Apache people were portrayed as savages,” Some actual research into what the Apache got up to rather sugests that “portraying” them as savages was something more akin to accurate reporting.
And I think te kooti was rather like bin Laden, another essentially insane individual with religious delusions who liked to murder women and children because takign on warriors and soldiers scared the crap out him because he had the military nouse of a stuned rabit.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Seriously, if the arms were supplied by group A to group B on the understanding that B would (lawfully) engage group C, then group B stockpiled said arms and later used them against civilians then no, group A is not responsible.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:32 am
On the up side if the hatfield haters keep up their extremism and terrorist loving ways we’ll be ripe for regieme change. I for one welcome our new American overlords and their wallets.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:37 am
So its Maori Custom to ‘acknowledge and pay tribute to the dead’ eh??
History tells a different story-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyd_massacre
Unless the dismembered and eaten men,women and children of the Boyd were somehow honoured and paid tribute to with a nice BBQ sauce?? ….
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Sorry Longknives but bringing up such incidents is “unhelpful”. Mentioning it is “racist” and you are a bad person.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:40 am
ciaron, you missed what I said.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:41 am
The President of the U$A, Barak Obama authorises the cold-blooded ‘execution’ of an unarmed Osama bin Laden(?) by a team of US Navy Seals – and calls this ‘justice’.
How is this not equally a ‘terrorist’ act, that would arguably be internationally condemned if the (supposed?) ‘Leader’ of al-Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden – had equally authorised the cold-blooded assassination of the (unarmed) President of the United States of America, in front of his wife and family?
If the tactics and actions authorised by the Leader of the United States of America are essentially no different in practice to those of the (supposed?) ‘Leader’ of al-Qaeda – then what is (was?) the difference between Obama and Osama?
Or is U$A ‘State-sponsored terrorism’ simply above the law?
Or do you agree with the concept that ‘might is right’ – end of story?
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml
UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
Adopted and proclaimed by General Assembly resolution 217 A (III) of 10 December 1948
Preamble
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,
Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,
Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,
……………….”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10723453
Questions over legality of bin Laden ‘execution’
By Greg Ansley
5:30 AM Thursday May 5, 2011
The killing of Osama bin Laden by a team of US Navy Seals has been condemned internationally by lawyers, human rights groups, and European leaders.
United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay has also urged the United States to provide full details about what critics have called a summary execution.
“The United Nations has consistently emphasised that all counter-terrorism acts must respect international law,” Pillay said.
In London, distinguished human rights lawyer Geoffrey Robertson has described the killing of the al-Qaeda leader as a “perversion of justice” that would rebound on the US.
The Australian-born Queen’s Counsel has sat as an appeal judge on a UN war crime court and is one of three jurist members on the international organisation’s Internal Justice Council.
He told ABC TV yesterday that the killing of an unarmed bin Laden was not justice. ”
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
May 5th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Fuck off head case.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Got love Hone, he’s setting the extreme left’s causes back years here in NZ.
Also gotta say WTF to this Marxist academic who thinks that people such as bin laden can be reformed by restorative justice!!
http://nation.foxnews.com/justice/2011/05/03/professor-says-bin-laden-killing-was-illegal
Cannot imagine how anyone could reform these Jihadist loonies like bin laden.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Murray you are a dick. You are always on here spouting off your contorted and hypocritical one-liners pretending to be witty and tough with your big words like ‘fuck off’. What a waste of space. See if you can say something that makes sense, is longer than two sentences, is respectful, and points to evidence in support of your random brain sparks. Or even answer coherently an issue that has been posted by someone else with something worthwhile. You are just rude, nothing else. No wonder so many people avoid this site. btw, who you going to vote for now that Garrett aint around?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:48 am
The problem here is language “freedom fighter” plus the fact that Hones statement comes with an- element- of truth (the US do sponsor the Saud Family and Israel).
Vote:To what degree does alqueda represent the aspirations of Arabs? Fisk says Arab people reject Alqueda’s desire for Islamic caliphates. On that score Hone is wrong; Alqueda is fighting for oppression.
Hopefully Hone doesn’t speak for Maori people: do they want a NZ divided into tribal territories where every action is at the behest of the local iwi or a more egalitarian society as existed prior to the winds whipped up by banks, migration and real estate interests.
May 5th, 2011 at 10:48 am
He got restorative justice.
Twice.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Penny Bright just goes to prove the old adage
“Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the average New Zealander”
Now called the “Whimp Principle”.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:54 am
If one were to give a penny for her thoughts one migh reasonably expect change.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:56 am
I dont think so tvb, you said: But is an entirely fair point imo and happy to be shown how those who manufacture and supply to the world’s dictators and terrorists the weaponry used to kill innocent people are not responsible for those killings,…
I’m saying it depends on the contract. If the supplier knew explicitly that the product would be used against un-armed civilians than, yes, I’d agree with you entirely. I’m just saying you’d be pushing it to find proof.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Murray, I agree with your restorative justice comment.
The navy seals had the perfect very quick strategy to make the necessary modifications to bin laden’s brain.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Penny
Vote:Do the words “USS Cole, Twin Towers (x2) and Kenyan Embassy” mean anything to you?
Are these your words on your web-site
“Let me be clear: I am relieved that Osama bin Laden is dead. He caused a lot of death himself, of course, and his own demise means that he won’t be able to wreak more havoc on the world.” Don’t these words mean that you formed a view on OBL’s place in the world and the advantages of his absence from it?
You have either formed a view based on emotion (retribution), a sense of justice or a dispassionate view that thge world is better off without him. It does not matter what the basis of your view is. You have formed it and expressed it. At least someone else had the courage of the same convictions and did something about it. You sit smugly, secretly relieved that someone else did the dirty work for you, and condemn them for their actions. You are contemptable. OBL was so far outside any notion of the rule of law that he had no rights or claims for protection from those laws. There is absolutely no comparison between what Obama did and the scenario that you postulate. What is more – you know it.
May 5th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Pennybright you aren’t “publicwatchdog” you’re just a lone person with a rhetorical argument , black and white views and a loud hailer.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Hone is an immature little boy who would take any position, no matter how absurd and illogical if he thought it would be offensive to white mofos. Frankly it hardens my opinion that the only thing that MMP has done is put more imbeciles into parliament.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Freedom fighter my arse. Religious wack-job more like.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Penny not-very-bright, enough with the retarded moral equivalence. Targeting innocent civilians is terrorism. Targeting guilty militants is justice. Not complicated. Don’t pretend not to understand.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:08 am
So Nookin – you don’t believe in the ‘Rule of Law’ either?
“You are contemptable. OBL was so far outside any notion of the rule of law that he had no rights or claims for protection from those laws.”
PLEASE. PLEASE confirm that you are NOT a lawyer?
Good to see ‘Murray’ that I must be hitting a nerve with your customary well-informed and eloquent response?
# Murray (7,450) Says:
May 5th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Fuck off head case. ”
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
May 5th, 2011 at 11:15 am
hj (1,065) Says:
May 5th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Pennybright you aren’t “publicwatchdog” you’re just a lone person with a rhetorical argument , black and white views and a loud hailer.”
So – ‘hj’ – you don’t believe in the ‘Rule of Law’ either?
Even if I were a ‘lone’ person with my view – it doesn’t make it wrong.
But – it appears there are a number of arguably ‘significant others’ who DO share my view.
Perhaps you missed this?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10723453
Questions over legality of bin Laden ‘execution’
By Greg Ansley
5:30 AM Thursday May 5, 2011
The killing of Osama bin Laden by a team of US Navy Seals has been condemned internationally by lawyers, human rights groups, and European leaders.
United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay has also urged the United States to provide full details about what critics have called a summary execution.
“The United Nations has consistently emphasised that all counter-terrorism acts must respect international law,” Pillay said.
In London, distinguished human rights lawyer Geoffrey Robertson has described the killing of the al-Qaeda leader as a “perversion of justice” that would rebound on the US.
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
May 5th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Penny, Bin Laden didn’t exactly have much truck for any “rule of law”, so any liberal self flagilation over the matter on his behalf is pointless, and gets no traction round here. Do you have any feelings for the 3,000 or so souls who were denied your so-called “rule of law”? Or were they just collateral damage in a fight for freedom as Hone would have it?
The bastard is dead. Thank Allah for that.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Did I quote you correctly from your web-site? Were they your words? If those words reflect your view how do you reconcile your right to express judgment on his demise (“I am relieved [he] is dead” with the grandiose but totally unrealistic sentiments that you now advocate?
I believe strongly in the rule of law – more so than you because there are times when you consider it appropriate to flout it openly [ie when you disagree with it] – but I also believe that sometimes we are faced with extreme cases where extreme measures are justified. Killing Osama is one such instance. I would have shot Hitler as well. He was gutless and took the cowards way out.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:31 am
“I must be hitting a nerve”
You should stop doing that. Hopefully you might then allow some blood to flow to your brain.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:42 am
MMP is the tool (excuse the pun) that will put this idiot in Parliament.
Not true. Harawira has an electorate seat. He won his electorate seat in the Maori Party. All the other Maori Party MPs had electorate seats. He is running for an electorate seat.
Now, if Mana gets more than a few thousand votes, they may get a second MP (likely Annette Sykes at this stage). But Harawira is safe as long as his electorate likes him.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:42 am
“The killing of Osama bin Laden by a team of US Navy Seals has been condemned internationally by lawyers, human rights groups,”
lets take (for example) Annette Sykes (lawyer) and Keith Locke (peace activist):
PC
Vote:Frog, I agree the slur on your drug law reform plocy is as inaccurate as it is stupid, but you said. “Which terrorist groups are the Greens in favour of? Go on. Name just one.” Very well, let me open the batting. How about this, Frog:
Remember soon after September 11 Keith Locke spoke at a meeting in Rotorua on a platform with Annette Sykes. This was a meeting to protest the liberation of Afghanistan.
As Keith sat there smiling and nodding his head in agreement, Sykes told the audience: “I will never forget that morning turning on my TV and seeing those planes fly into those two towers, I jumped for joy, I was so excited to see that at long last capitalism was
under attack. I was laughing, I was so happy, but then I saw those people
jumping out of the windows and it suddenly hit me, oh those poor waiters, the poor cleaners, those poor lift operators, who the greedy capitalists had employed to do all the dirty jobs were probably the people jumping out of the windows.”
Keith neither challenged nor questioned Sykes’ rant, he sat there and smiled and nodded and then led the applause when she finished.
http://blog.greens.org.nz/index.php/2005/05/31/united-in-terrorism/
May 5th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Cleon was the first to name himself “public watchdog”.
He was an asshole.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Maybe Osama should have killed a couple of Maoris, I wonder if Hone would have honoured Osama in te reo then?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:54 am
For the record, Osama bin Laden was a self confessed mass murderer who orchestrated terrorist acts around the world with the objective of crushing western “imperialism” .Osama demanded that the world adpot his particular form of pious Islam, if you didn’t he would kill you.
Vote:Commentators in the Maori community who have accorded this man respect and dignity need to take a reality check, bin Laden would not hesitate to exterminate you if you didn’t agree with him.
The US Seals did their job, and did it well. Kill or be killed.
May 5th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Nookin – on my blog – I publish the views of a number of people/ groups, in order to try and help advance intelligent and informed debate on the issues.
I don’t necessarily agree with everything that those whose articles I publish say – but I’m trying to encourage others to READ and CONSIDER other points of view and THINK FOR THEMSELVES?
My opinions are kept separate from those of others whom I publish.
For the record – I do NOT support summary executions authorised – by ANY group/ person.
Particularly Governments – especially the Government of the ‘greatest democracy in the world’?
The United States of America?
You may not have picked it up Nookin – but I am dubious, without supporting FACTS and EVIDENCE that it was actually Osama Bin Laden that was ‘executed’?
Where’s the PROOF?
errr… wouldn’t you also think that if it WAS the unarmed Osama Bin Laden who was summarily executed – that a HUGE opportunity has been wasted to help prove what happened on 9/11, and for him (?) to be held accountable in a court of law?
errr….wasn’t Osama Bin Laden supposed to have been the great ‘mastermind’ of the attacks on 9/11?
We are just told SO much bullsh*t in the corporate media – I am VERY cynical.
Like Suddam Hussein had ‘weapons of mass destruction’ – which was the basis of the (unlawful) invasion of Iraq?
So – why aren’t George Bush and Tony Blair facing prosecution for ‘war crimes’?
Where is the consistency here?
Of course – if you are just a blind follower, ‘pack person’ – you will just go with the baying ‘lynch mob’ crowd…………..
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
May 5th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
thedavincimode (1,576) Says:
May 5th, 2011 at 11:31 am
“I must be hitting a nerve”
You should stop doing that. Hopefully you might then allow some blood to flow to your brain.”
So ‘thedavincimode’ – you don’t believe in the ‘Rule of Law’ either?
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wprdpress.com
May 5th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
heh, the Botany Chihuahua.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Cleon the Crapweasle.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
“publicwatchdog (485) Says:
May 5th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Nookin – on my blog – I publish the views of a number of people/ groups, in order to try and help advance intelligent and informed debate on the issues.”
The funniest thing I have read all week.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
“Where’s the PROOF?”
What is it that you want to see Mrs Dim? His wanger?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
I’m off to have a latte with my lunch.
Starbucks has introduced a new coffee today – called Osama Bin Latte.
Apparently it has a nice, fluffy white head – with two shots.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Try the bar next door for an alocholic version, its two shots and a splash of water.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Come on Folks – back to the point. Hatfield (or should that be Hatefilled) is saying the OBL should be vererated as a freedom fighter. Has anyone got a contact number for Team 6? they could practice their 2x tap on Hone.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Personally I’d be happy for John Hatfield to put that on his billboards.
Free speech is great, its gets the assholes out into the open and away from the innocent bystanders.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Am I the olny one seeing eveything in itellics since carion’s comment a while back in which he may nopt have closed off his html?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Hone or any of your supporters, please correct me if a wrong but to be a freedom fighter don’t you first have to believe in freedom (i.e. a substantially freer or more democratic regime than that current in existence) ?
What sort of freedoms do Osama Bin Laden and Hone Harawira believe in?
The freedom to have infidels heads removed from their necks with a rusty blade live on the internet?
Vote:The freedom for school children to make a quick exit from a bus by way of highly explosive material?
The freedom for half trained student pilots to take control of a jet in mid flight?
May 5th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
No Murray.
It’s just that this is a right leaning blog.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Could be could be.
Could lean futher though.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
I could have agreed with that if bin Laden had been Palestinian. But since he wasn’t Hone just makes himself appear lazy or thick.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Penny
Let’s take the issue of WMD in Iraq in isolation for one moment.
What we had in this instance was a Psy-op gone horribly wrong, and is was not a US operation.
What needs to be kept in mind when we look at what has occurred is tha Iraq HAD USED cemical based WMD during the Iran/Iraq war. Not only against Iranian military targets, but against it’s own civilians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_warfare#Iran.E2.80.93Iraq_War
So we have a co-alition of forces set to invade a country that has, on numerous occasions, not only showed the capability to deploy these weapons, but a willingness to as well. At the time of the 2nd Gulf War, It proved in hindsight that these weapons no longer existed. However, from an Iraqi point of view, it was to their advantage to maintain the illusion that these weapons did exist, so Intelligence could well have been leaked to give the impression that WMD existed, in the hope that the threat of their use would give the US forces some pause.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
“It’s just that this is a right leaning blog.”
slightlyrighty that is the most brilliant line people will see on the interweb today
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
He has exposed the fact that the VRWC has subverted the fonts though Kimple. We may have to discuss this at the next meeting.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Joana said above:
I assume you are the same Joana who outed herself on this thread as a Kyle Chapman supporter. That would presumably be the same Kyle Chapman who, according to Wikipedia, wanted to create a a European-only “protected community” in North Canterbury.
Yes, well done Joana, you’ve marked yourself out as an authoirty on racism.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Dear god don’t let them breed.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
On the subject of the next meeting of the VRWC Murray, are you accepting items for the agenda? I am happy to take up the role of social director by the way.
After all there is a fair bit of planning to be done to infiltrate the left. Good to see that our sleeper agent PB has woken and is doing a credible job of passing herself off as a loonie leftie. (oops too much info?)
We could have the after match function in a provincial NI town that is central for all NI members to easily access? Oh I don’t know say Palmie.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
“You may not have picked it up Nookin – but I am dubious, without supporting FACTS and EVIDENCE that it was actually Osama Bin Laden that was ‘executed’?
Where’s the PROOF?”
Oh, that’s alright then. Why have a hypothetical debate about someone who is possibly alive. What’s all the fuss then?
“Nookin – on my blog – I publish the views of a number of people/ groups, in order to try and help advance intelligent and informed debate on the issues.”
From my observations you only publish articles by people who share your own view of life. Hardly debate. Your problem is that this view is so conflicted that you cannot even win a debate with yourself.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Hone just can’t help himself.
Vote:http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1105/S00109/harawira-on-hide-and-osama-bin-laden.htm
May 5th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Lofty, I’m in Jafaland next month for a round of covert meetings.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Ok Murray if you are passing the BOP drop me a coded message and we could have a beer.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Rodders
Hone bin Silly has been moved into damage control by his minders.
Of course the real loser in all of this is the dodgy creep Peters who will now have to compete with Hone bin Tinkin for the sensational sound-bite. Sad. Not.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
Nookin (719) Says:
May 5th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
“You may not have picked it up Nookin – but I am dubious, without supporting FACTS and EVIDENCE that it was actually Osama Bin Laden that was ‘executed’?
Where’s the PROOF?”
Oh, that’s alright then. Why have a hypothetical debate about someone who is possibly alive. What’s all the fuss then?
“Nookin – on my blog – I publish the views of a number of people/ groups, in order to try and help advance intelligent and informed debate on the issues.”
From my observations you only publish articles by people who share your own view of life. Hardly debate. Your problem is that this view is so conflicted that you cannot even win a debate with yourself.”
____________________________________________________________________________________________________
Guess you haven’t seen this Nookin?
(Just received it recently myself.
I’ve cut and pasted 28 pages of google’ links – showing other websites /blogs which have published this information on my blog – FYI)
http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html
Top US Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag Operation
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a false flag attack
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, May 4, 2011
Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.
Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.
Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.
Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.
Vote:…………………..”
May 5th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Well done PB great job..nudge nudge wink wink.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
“Am I the olny one seeing eveything in itellics since carion’s comment a while back in which he may nopt have closed off his html?”
Yeah, sorry Murray, my bad. Although the comments look straight to me…
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Nuttier than a whole field of almonds!! Comedy platinum.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Ssshhhh Manolo, she works for us.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Your point being?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
You got you head to one side ciaron? That might make them look straight.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
http://www.stevepieczenik.com/home.html ???
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
@ Murray: Maybe I’ve been spending too much time in leaning buildings
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Hmmm… Phil Bright and Penny Ure doesn’t quite have the same batshit crazy ring to it
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Rodders (839) Says:
May 5th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Hone just can’t help himself.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1105/S00109/harawira-on-hide-and-osama-bin-laden.htm
And at the end, talking about Rodney Hide’s ousting, he comments, “If that’s pakeha politics, then no thanks”.
No, Hone, it’s not “pakeha” politics any more than the problems experienced by the Maori party are “Maori” politics. What the ACT party does is not dictated by an over-riding “pakeha” policy.
If that’s the level of damage control his minders do, he should fire them.
Although, have to say, watching the interview last night it did strike me that Hone had obviously been told by advisors to tone down his act. He came across – at times – as almost reasonable, almost thoughtful.
Of course, that’s only in comparison to the way he normally acts
But unfortunately for Hone, one 20-minute performance isn’t enough to convince me that he’s done a complete 180 from his performances over the last 20 years.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Nookin (720) Says:
May 5th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Your point being?”
Please TRY not to overdose on your ‘THICK’ pills Nookin?
(Meant of course in a kindly, albeit somewhat exasperated way
My point being that I may actually be correct?
That the unarmed man who was apparently executed in cold blood on the instructions of the President of the ‘greatest democracy in the world’ -may NOT have actually been Osama Bin Laden?
That explained it clearly enough for you?
(None so blind as those who WILL NOT SEE?)
Have a read of the information provided – if you DARE?
(You may wait some time waiting for mainstream corporate media to cover this story……………)
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
May 5th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Penny said “Please TRY not to overdose on your ‘THICK’ pills”
Can I have some of those?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Hone perpetuates the myth of the noble savage by suggesting “tributes to the dead are always appropriate” in Maori culture…that usually took the form of “grace” just before dinner.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
someone tell the secretary to double what we’re paying Penny.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Oh goodie, another conspiracy in the making. Go crazy Penny, or should I say, crazier.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
That ship is on the horizon RP.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Ah, Penny. Up to your devious old ways. Constantly moving the goal posts. We were debating whether the killing was justified. You then said that he may not be dead. I wasn’t there so I don’t know and am happy to accept reports. You have to make up your own mind. If he is dead then we can argue whether the killing was justified. If he isn’t then the issue does not arise. If you want to debate whether some innocent man – not OBL – was topped then go and do it in the comfort of your own delusions. Don’t twist what I say.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
If Osama died in 2001, then Team 6 can’t be guilty of his cold blooded murder… Right?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
This OBL thing is no doubt an unwanted distraction. She had proven 9/11 was an inside job and that Key personally ordered the hit at Pike River, and then she was just getting ready to out the phoney moon landings when the whole OBL thing explodes. So many conspiracies, so little time …
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
ciaron, once again, that’s what THEY want you to think. I don’t think you’re really paying attention.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
I’m just hoping she doesn’t find out about my holiday in Sarajevo back in June 1914.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Murray
Vote:And you spread a flu epidemic on your travels.
May 5th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
I feel really bad about ordering ice with my drink the last time I took cruise back in 1912 too.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
There’s some really spooky coincidences – like Obama and Osama have exactly the same number of letters.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
…or CIA and KGB…and I hear there have been two POTUS with the surname Bush too.
Spooky, eh?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
As Maxwell Smart would say
Vote:“Ah…… the old substitute a terrorist for a president trick…!” Caught out by a spelling mistake. Gazooks!
May 5th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Murray
Everybody knows that there was no iceberg. It was all about the insurance claim. Duh.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
As you said previously, Hone may be after the Winston “conspiracy to fit every event” supporters.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
and this is what it looks like when someone realises that Hone has fucked up… again.
PRESS RELEASE
Hone Harawira
Te Reo Motuhake o Te Tai Tokerau
Thursday 5 May 2011
On Tuesday when I was a guest on Te Karere I was asked to comment on the death of Osama Bin Laden.
As Maori we do not speak ill of someone who has died even if such a person has done bad things.
My mihi to the Bin Laden’s family was seen by some as support for Bin Laden’s actions.
This was a mistake and was not intended. Using terror for political reasons is never acceptable.
I apologise for how I expressed myself.
Ends
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
ciaron, once again, that’s what THEY want you to think. I don’t think you’re really paying attention.
I just, I just, I just don’t know what to beleive anymore
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Pete George opines:
“And I agree with comment on unseemly celebrations. The post killing propaganda (the “fog of war” doesn’t make stories up) embarrassed the US.”
No, it really didnt. They behaved like any other normal human beings would. Good on them. You sound like a pompus wanker with a large corn cob inserted in your ass.
Penny “Bright” opines:
“on my blog – I publish the views of a number of people/ groups, in order to try and help advance intelligent and informed debate on the issues.”
No, you publish the insane rantings of far left nutters in order to advance the mindless stupidity of left wing conspiracy theories.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Penny.
Piecznik is a charlaten.
He makes a living writing fiction. What he says regarding the supposed death of Bin Laden in 2001 is no different. Just because he worked in the state department does not give him any more credibility than thousands of other conspiracy nutters.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Lee01 (20) Says:
May 5th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Pete George opines:
“And I agree with comment on unseemly celebrations. The post killing propaganda (the “fog of war” doesn’t make stories up) embarrassed the US.”
No, it really didnt. They behaved like any other normal human beings would. Good on them. You sound like a pompus wanker with a large corn cob inserted in your ass.
Penny “Bright” opines:
“on my blog – I publish the views of a number of people/ groups, in order to try and help advance intelligent and informed debate on the issues.”
No, you publish the insane rantings of far left nutters in order to advance the mindless stupidity of left wing conspiracy theories.”
__________________________________________________________________________________________________
Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html
_________________________________________________________________________________________________
Oh dear – I guess they don’t make ‘far left nutters’ and ‘left wing conspiracy theorists’ quite like they used to?
“Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.”
Oh what a SHAME.
If the FACTS don’t fit your theories/ mindsets/ MANTRA Kiwibloggers – what do you change?
Penny Bright
Vote:http://waterpressure.wprdpress.com
May 5th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
They make nutters juat the same as they always did.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
thedavincimode – “She had proven 9/11 was an inside job and that Key personally ordered the hit at Pike River, and then she was just getting ready to out the phoney moon landings ..”
No, HAARP generated the Christchurch earthquakes – that was next.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
So your pillar of integrity sat on his arse for 10 years knowing that his government had committed a vile atrocity and still won’t name names?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
ciaron
You can believe. Just watch the pendulum … back and forth, back and forth …
… this is Penny ciaron, I have something to tell you …
… back and forth … back and forth …
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
WTF is HAARP??
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Funny way to spell “peace-nik”
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Penny.
Pieczenik was a qualified psychiatrist who failed to heed the missive, “Physician, heal thyself”
He worked at the state department in a time when paranoia was the norm, and spent most of his career dealing with mentally unstable people.
He believes that he was the person on whom the character “Jack Ryan”, Tom Clancy’s main protagonist, was based.
His Wikipedia entry is flagged because it seems to be written as an advertisement by those closely associated with him.
We have no proof of his bona fides other than his own writings, or writings of those associated with him.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Penny,
“Oh dear – I guess they don’t make ‘far left nutters’ and ‘left wing conspiracy theorists’ quite like they used to?”
Sure they do, and he sounds like one, the conspiracy theory nutter that is.
“Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations,”
So what? How does that make him immune to stupidity?
Sadly conspiracy theorists, who suffer from self-imposed stupidity, come from across the political spectrum, as the Birther movement attests to.
Merely because Pieczenik held several government jobs does not give him any serious credibility.
Nor does having a an Mit degree make him any less prone to mindless stupidity. After all, Noam Chomsky has several degrees, and still writes laughable conspiracy theory shite.
So I stand by my observation that your site is primarily a vehicle for far left nutters and conspiracy theory kooks.
Sorry, your point is not made.
By the way, have you and magic bullet taken your meds today? You know that if you do, you can take the tin foil hat off for a while.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
“He worked at the state department in a time when paranoia was the norm, and spent most of his career dealing with mentally unstable people. ”
Oh. Has he met Mrs Dim then?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
tdvm.. keep going i’m not sleepy yet
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
then read one of the mad woman’s posts and get back to me when its had the predictably soporific effect
… tick tock … tick tock …
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
For Davincimode HAARP..
High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP)
The most prominent instrument at the HAARP Station is the Ionospheric Research Instrument (IRI), a high power radio frequency transmitter facility operating in the high frequency (HF) band. The IRI is used to temporarily excite a limited area of the ionosphere. Other instruments, such as a VHF and a UHF radar, a fluxgate magnetometer, a digisonde and an induction magnetometer, are used to study the physical processes that occur in the excited region.
It is well known along with the little known flux homonomograter to interfere with tin foil hat signals
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Thanks, but I’ll pass on the virtual lobotomy.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Try it. Penny seems to like hers.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Lofty
Thanks. Then I hope those bastards at HAARP didn’t have their public liability insurance with AMI.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
I’m not privately funded like Penny.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Everything’s italicised! Man, next thing you know, everything will be bolded!
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
looks fine on IE
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
That’s your catch 22 right there. You have to be mad before you can afford to go mad.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Everything is not italicised – check your screen, maybe it’s tipped on a slight angle. Otherwise you should try sitting up straight – and that will help keep the tin foil in the most effective position.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
It does? I guess the bug on Kiwiblog, combined with the generally buggy nature of IE, somehow cancel each other out.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Would this be the first time in history that IE, running on vista looks fine when its gone pear shaped for everyone else?
Doesn’t bug + bug = fatal error?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Actually, I must admit, everything from Leave a Reply down apart from the Submit button is in italics (Firefox).
Vote:Everything above looks normal, except the usual content anomalies.
May 5th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
I’m running Firefox on OSX. Maybe the sheer clean processing power of this combination has discovered bugs invisible to the naked IE.
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That was pretty good, wasn’t it. Yeah, that was pretty good.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
@ Pete G; Ditto.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
So now we’re a boldly right leaning blog?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Pete George:
This is comedy gold, and quite in keeping with the thread discussion about conspiracy theories – great stuff!
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Haha, very clever.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Anyway, isn’t tin a bit old hat? Aluminium doesn’t weight as heavily on your mind.
Back to reality – that’s where Harawira seems to have been hauled, but it hasn’t set the yet to be formalised Mana on a very good track.
It will be interesting to see who will live up to their foot in mouth reputation next, Goff, Brash or Harawira.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Don’t worry Lofty, God did punish me, I just woke up to Petra back on Breakfast.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
I have just been informed that is an irrefutable fact that persons of responsibility and standing in government are intelligent, discerning and extremely unlikely to fall for fanciful theories. Sharon Armstrong told me this so it must be true. I guess we have to accept what Pizzleneck says.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
There was very light-handed treatment of Harawira’s comments by “The Panel” on Radio NZ this afternoon.
For a start I’m not impressed with the balance of the panel itself – Bomber Bradbury, Morgan Godfrey (the blogger of the Mana Party(!); something I’m not sure that was made clear at the outset), and some other guy. So we had two far-left commentators and one possibly centre-left commentator, and Jim Mora himself who offered no contrary view.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
Sigh. You only THINK its in italics.
“the usual content anomalies”
No, I think most of us are here.
“very light-handed treatment of Harawira’s comments by “The Panel” on Radio NZ this afternoon”
Well, knock me over with a feather!
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Lofty and Davincimode
HAARP is supposed to do more than just reprogramme you aluminium cooking-foil hat –
In his latest statement Benjamin Fulford had said,the Earthquake that had hit Japan originated in the New Mexico and Nevada, U.S. New Madrid fault line being the probable next target.
The horrific earthquake weapon HAARP (which can also cause spacequake) which attacked Japan on March 11, 2011 resulting in 10 meter long tsunamis along much of Japan’s coast line came from rogue elements of the U.S. government located in underground bases in New Mexico and Nevada.
– http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/03/japan-earthquake-tsunami-haarp.html
Major Earthquake Strikes Near Christchurch – Was HAARP Technology Responsible?
Vote:Updated: 7 April 2011 For those who are new to this area who are wondering why this question is being raised on this website, it is so because chemtrails are used with HAARP technology, (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program), and this technology can be and is used to cause earthquakes. Furthermore, a chemtrail was apparent on the day of this quake, in the quake zone, during the TV3 news.
– http://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/major-earthquake-strikes-near-christchurch-haarp/
May 5th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Where can I get one?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
And do they come in silver?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
closing the bold italics
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
… meanwhile, back at the thread …
Hone bin Afuckwit has just said that the reaction over his comments is racist. That he wasn’t praising Usama Te Kooti, merely offering him a mihi in the tradtional manner. Furthermore, that if Don Brash fell down dead tomorrow, he would do the same for him.
Its good to see that this little matter has been tidied up.
And Hone, can I just say, in the spirit of national reconciliation, that if you were to drop dead tomorrow, I’m sure that many would offer you a mihi also.
As for me though, the last thing that I would ever want is for you to drop dead tomorrow. It would leave an enormous gap on the NZ comedy scene and I just don’t know how I could cope between now and the election without you.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
“Hone bin Afuckwit”
A slight problem with tense TDVM.
“Hone stillis Afuckwit “
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
The thing that pisses me off about all this is the extraordinarily low bar there is for Pakeha to be racist (merely questioning Hone’s impropriety is ‘racist’), but Hone can openly say (just to pick one example) that he wouldn’t like his daughter to bring home a white boyfriend and – after much hand-wringing – he gets off scot free. Time after time, after time.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Ranganui bin Ataliban has just described his mate Usama Te Kooti as a “revolutionary” and a man before his time, and said that although he has indulged in acts of terrorism (when pressed and wincing when he said it) it was important to understand his motives that were directed against American imperialism.
This raises the issue as to whether there is some traditional Maori herbal remedy that has the unfortunate side-effect of inducing bouts of counter-productive public comment. The evidence is mounting.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Hone – True Git
Good name for a western ey?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Nomestradamus 1:30 pm. Thanks for that information. If true, it just shows how hard it is to hide embarassing stuff in the internet age.
cheers
David Prosser
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
@Puzzled in Ekatahuna, sssshhh you are leaking far too much info re the VRWC secret weapon the HAARP.
Penny Bright is our sleeper that is slowly gaining the lefts confidence prior to us smashing them through the hats and reprogramming them to the VRWC life.
Gosh it is so exciting thanks PB (oops sorry too much info) I just can’t help myself.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Fletch
What about:
Tama Iti – “Forest Chump”
(Yes I pinched it – can’t remember where from)
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Murray. Is agent X still in Seoul? I need fresh instructions for the next couple of months. Has the secret handshake changed for May?
cheers
David Prosser
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Good morning agent Bobby, hows the head old son?
the deviation for this week is 2 degrees off the plane.
Penny will be giving us the rest of the instructions through her obtuse posts. (for those of us who know & understand agent Pennys codes)
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
thedavinchimode. Priceless. It doesn’t matter if it’s not original. You don’t owe me a new keyboard. I’ve long since learned not to drink anything while reading blogs, or forums.
cheers
David Prosser
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Wow.
I guess the best thing to do would be to leave Hone Hatfield in Parliament, the best advertisement for the removal of MMP and Maori seats i have ever seen.
Global Jihadist fighting for freedom? lol …. i have a bridge to sell.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
A video honouring the death of Hone’s idol and “freedom fighter”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxZUM2Jd_vU
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Discovery Channel just played a very sombre, very emotional documentary on families of victims of the World Trade Centre terrorist attacks. One lady was overwhelmed when they found her sisters teeth (something to bury), another Firefighter was overcome with emotion when they finally found his brothers decomposing body a month after the attacks….
I’m not easily upset but I was certainly moved by this documentary. I just wonder what PublicWatchdog, Magic Bullet and all the other nutjob terrorist sympathisers and conspiracy theorists would make of it??
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Long Knives – go watch “the new rulers of the world” doco. Then tell me if you cry a river for all school teachers, university students and farmers that were murdered in Indonesia at the behest of the CIA. One million people were slaughtered. White people aren’t the only people who feel pain you know.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
Hone makes Team America (currently on on Sky) look like ran amateurs.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
“And Hone, can I just say, in the spirit of national reconciliation, that if you were to drop dead tomorrow, I’m sure that many would offer you a mihi also.”
thedavincimode, your te reo is as good as the ex-Commissioner’s, I think you ment “mimi”, all over his grave no less.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
http://tvnz.co.nz/close-up/having-your-say-2-13-video-4158305
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
MB -Alas I don’t watch shonky/ dubious ‘Indie’ Docos made by conspiracy theorists about the evils of the Western World and Capitalism. My point was about the World Trade Centre Bombings and their horrific impact. But I’m guessing you were probably snugged up with Annette Sykes yelling, clapping and cheering the planes on at the time…nothing quite a like a party watching thousands of evil white Americans being crushed and dismembered eh?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
The whole Brash thing has been a complete misunderstanding: in his own mind, comparing someone to Hitler is actually the highest complement Hatfield can pay. He was telling Brash what a really great guy he is; someone who fights for freedom and for his country.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Oh wait- There were Blacks, Jews, Asians and many tourists from all around the World also crushed to pulp in those buildings when they came down. I’m a bit confused- Are they Martyrs like your Al Queda heroes? Or are they just ‘Collateral damage’?- Surely the enemy is the evil White Man? You guys really need to clarify what your position on the bombing and the subsequent death toll actually is?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Well, it was Uncl’ Pete Hodgson’s turn today (according to One News).
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/30-000-bill-protect-john-key-during-his-summer-holiday-4158121
(Now MSM, go check Parliament’s questions for oral answer on the type of questions Uncl’ Pete was asking the gummit when Pete was Labour defence spokeperson! Was the taxpayer getting value for money)!
Typical Labour, just when the Hone “gift-that-keeps-giving” roadshow started to pick up momentum and Labour weren’t getting negative publicity for a change, they have to just go and wheel out Uncl’ Pete to keep the Lairbore gift alive…
/ thread-drift.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
longknives – you are a well disciplined party member, i will give you that. You will not even tolerate facts that conflict with your prejudices. The downside is you will never progress beyond your primitive state. You will be a stunted soul.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Hey niggly, at least that $800k overspend is not in need of retrospective validating legislation. Unlike the grand theft of 2005. And as you say, why the fuck would Labour pick on something like that, which is so easy to chuck back? Useless fuckers, is about where I get to with Labour.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
oh dear Mr Farrar. Seems your trust in the Heraldl was misplaced. Tell me – did this story go from natty HQ to herald, to Farrar? A rather convoluted route for a bogus press release isn’t it?
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
There’s a nice fisking of the story over at the standard by the way.
Vote:May 5th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Haha, the Standard, you have to be kidding! Fuck, out of breath now laughing.
Vote:May 6th, 2011 at 12:00 am
Oh dear – something tells me that the diminutive rich prick doesn’t work any more. Now he can’t even buy his outlet any more.
Vote:May 6th, 2011 at 12:06 am
“Haha, the Standard, you have to be kidding! Fuck, out of breath now laughing.”
Maybe your little problem is cardiovascular in origin then?
Vote:May 6th, 2011 at 12:06 am
I’m sorry, no hits for The Standard coming from here.
Vote:May 6th, 2011 at 12:08 am
I don’t know if its been mentioned but the scandal for me in this is what the Te Karare presenter said, he also endorsed Osama in his questioning.
Te Karare is publicly funded and this guy has gone so far beyond anything Paul Henry has ever said in that one moment. Hone I was expecting but this presenter has left me shocked considering his position.
Vote:May 6th, 2011 at 12:09 am
Oh well – don’t worry about the truth then. Continue the k-blog clan rally as you were.
Vote:May 6th, 2011 at 12:09 am
No just no time for fuckwittery from teenagers with spots and too much parent away wank time, sorry magic.
Vote:May 6th, 2011 at 12:13 am
All class hey Prick. I can see that you’re a well-rounded human being. Ghandi would be proud of you.
Vote:May 6th, 2011 at 12:54 am
Ghandi would have been too busy sexual molesting little girls via enemas,beating his misses,hating African blacks or praising Adolf Hitler….so I imagine RP isn’t sweating on his opinion.
Vote:May 6th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
Harawira bin Laden remarks go global http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10723788
Hone is now not just an embarrassment to the majority of good Maori but to the whole country.
It is a shame that Don did not put the boot into Hone better with such a line and also pointed out he is not a fan of racial purity like Hone and Hitler.
It is a shame that David Garrett was not still with ACT. I bet Hone would not be invading his air space if he fronted for the debate.
Vote:May 6th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
I think if David Garrett had been in the debate, blows would have been thrown.
Vote:Hone was on the edge.
May 6th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
I doubt it. David has more control and Hone only goes for those smaller than him.
Vote:May 6th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
magic bullett claims:
“You will not even tolerate facts that conflict with your prejudices.”
Just described yourself perfectly.
Vote:May 6th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
“Oh well – don’t worry about the truth then.”
We have already established that you do not have “the truth”. You totally failed to provide one piece of real verifiable evidence about your 911 claims when asked to.
Conspracy theory claims are opinions, not truth.
If the above doco you talk about is based on John Pilger’s work it is not reliable. He has made false claims in the past and been caught doing so.
Two examples: he claimed the Afghanistan invasion was really about an oil pipeline, not bin Laden. Turns out the pipeline idea in question had been ditched well before then and was already being planned for another, unrelated country that was stable and peaceful. So he either lied or got his facts wrong.
He has also claimed that there are no political prisoners in Venezuala (he’s a big fan of Marxist thug Hugo Chavez). Yet every major liberal-left human rights group in the world has said there is. Is he lying? Is he stupid and blinded by a rabid anti-American and anti-Western ideology that turns his brain to mush? Is he being paid by Chavez?
Who knows, but a reliable source of information? Hell no.
When he was interviewed here in NZ by a genuinely objective journalist and she asked him to back up his claims he couldn’t and instead stormed out of the interview like a petulant child.
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