Hone wins

June 25th, 2011 at 8:48 pm by David Farrar

With only three polling booths to report, it is clear Hone has won re-election. His majority is 761 at this stage.

Hone got 48% of the vote, which is close to an absolute majority, not just a plurality. It is down from the 62% at the general election, but still a reasonable result.

Kelvin Davis and Labour will be pretty pleased to have got 41% and reasonably close. But they will be a bit nervous about what attacks from their left they may endure from the Mana Party. They will be hoping Mana targets Maori Party voters rather than left wing voters.

Mana is now a parliamentary party, and will be in Parliament after the next election. They can now campaign for party votes and tell people a vote for them is not a wasted vote.

Mana in Parliament may be an issue for both Labour and National. Labour doesn’t want the competition for the votes, but having Mana there might help a Labour-led Government get formed. If the election is so close that the support of Mana could decide the Government, then I have no doubt Labour will do a deal. My small anarchist tendencies would almost like to see Phil Goff managing a Government of Labour, Greens, Maori Party, Mana Party and NZ First.

So today is Hone’s victory – the gamble paid off. Attention will now go on the wider Mana Party, specifically their party list. Will the No 2 be John Minto or Annette Skyes or Sue Bradford or someone else?

UPDATE: Election Night majority is finalised at 867. 1,916 specials to be commented but will not change result unless Davis picked up 73% of them which will not happen.

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80 Responses to “Hone wins”

  1. starboard (2,501 comments) says:

    a win for the racists. NZ slips further into the abyss.

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  2. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,863 comments) says:

    If Labour and National had any brains they would quietly get together and organise a mass enrollment on the Maori roll prior to November of National and Labour voters who could be relied upon to vote for Mr Davis in November. A couple of thousand would do the job.

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  3. Jack McDonald (199 comments) says:

    I hope Annette Sykes is number 2. They should make her a co-leader alongside Hone.

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  4. Paul Marsden (991 comments) says:

    May God now have mercy upon us…

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  5. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    “Will the No 2 be John Minto or Annette Skyes or Sue Bradford or someone else?”

    I’d prefer option four thanks! :)

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  6. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    A racist MP in a racist party wins one of the racist seats.

    Sadly, I’m not too surprised.

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  7. Steve (4,538 comments) says:

    ‘I hope Annette Sykes is number 2. They should make her a co-leader alongside Hone’

    Hey Jack, does Sue suck better than Annette?

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  8. starboard (2,501 comments) says:

    anyhow…kiss my white mo/fo ass john hatfield…

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  9. georgebolwing (733 comments) says:

    I don’t think you can cal a coalition of Labour, Greens, Maori Party, Mana Party and NZ First a government. That many egos in a room will warp time and space. I’d give it six months, tops.

    I don’t think National will be too unhappy: having another party to the left of Labour will make it harder for Goff to try and just appeal to the centre.

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  10. kingofthejuice (6,013 comments) says:

    And so decisive governance is further compromised…. perhaps this is the beginning of the end for MMP

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  11. Steve (4,538 comments) says:

    Right with you starboard.
    This bit of shit Hatfield just found a blanket to stick to and we need to stop the poison

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  12. starboard (2,501 comments) says:

    on ya Steveo…tittyfai will be orgasmic tonight..harawira will be spankin the monkey into the foreseeable future ” Ive been given the mandate…I am the chosen one” key will be on the blower congratulating the racist one…

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  13. Nick K (1,197 comments) says:

    My list from 29 April (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/04/mana_party_policies.html#comment-825226):

    Hone Harawira
    Sue Bradford
    Matt McCarten
    John Minto
    Penny Bright
    Nandor Tanczos
    Mike Treen
    Bomber Bradbury
    Joe Carolyn
    Andrew Williams

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  14. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    I can’t believe that they would put Penny as low as five! :)

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  15. kingofthejuice (6,013 comments) says:

    DPF says; ‘My small anarchist tendencies would almost like to see Phil Goff managing a Government of Labour, Greens, Maori Party, Mana Party and NZ First.’

    If Greece defaults and the recession worsens this could be a frightening reality…. the only component missing is a religious party of some sort.

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  16. MIKMS (166 comments) says:

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOO – goddamit my taxes will fund this nuppty and John Minto!

    @Nick K Kinda doubt Andrew Williams due to his background

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  17. publicwatchdog (2,480 comments) says:

    Nick K (97) Says:
    June 25th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    My list from 29 April (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/04/mana_party_policies.html#comment-825226):

    Hone Harawira
    Sue Bradford
    Matt McCarten
    John Minto
    Penny Bright
    Nandor Tanczos
    Mike Treen
    Bomber Bradbury
    Joe Carolyn
    Andrew Williams
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    errr….. small technical point – I’m not a member of any political party – including the Mana Party?

    (I’m standing in the Epsom electorate as an ‘Independent Public Watchdog’).

    However, I am pleased Hone Harawira won the seat.

    Hone (and others) played a very helpful role in helping to stop the Far North District Council introducing water restrictions as a means of debt enforcement back in 2004.

    I believe in giving credit where it is due.

    :)

    Penny Bright
    http://waterpressure.wordpress.com

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  18. Paul Marsden (991 comments) says:

    Congratulations to Hone. He will make politics entertaining, and be a continuing reminder as to why maori are over represented in the worst statistics. He is a symbol for all that is wrong with the maori race in contrast to Davis, who is a symbol for all that is right.

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  19. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    You got everything right Penny except for “Watch” in front of “Dog”. :)

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  20. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    Where the fuck is my barbed wire?

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  21. starboard (2,501 comments) says:

    Penny dim…you are an idiot..

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  22. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    Must be starboard she can’t knit.

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  23. Armotur (31 comments) says:

    Well The media will love this, Hone is news, or rather what is seen to be news now.

    Sad to think the Far North is that far away from the reality of modern day NZ. Not a place to take a holiday.

    Pity about Davis, who is really seems to be the way to the future for Maori up there.

    And for Minto, another wasted cause to follow. Is he employed?

    So this is MMP?

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  24. Armotur (31 comments) says:

    Nick K (97) Says:
    June 25th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
    My list from 29 April (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/04/mana_party_policies.html#comment-825226):

    Hone Harawira
    Sue Bradford
    Matt McCarten
    John Minto
    Penny Bright
    Nandor Tanczos
    Mike Treen
    Bomber Bradbury
    Joe Carolyn
    Andrew Williams

    Shit John, WE NEED A BIGGER TROUGH!

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  25. Nick K (1,197 comments) says:

    errr….. small technical point – I’m not a member of any political party – including the Mana Party?

    (I’m standing in the Epsom electorate as an ‘Independent Public Watchdog’).

    Sorry Penny. That promotes Andrew Williams up to 9. That’s what really excites me.

    10 is now Phil U.

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  26. SHG (375 comments) says:

    With estimated final results, Harawira has 5611 to Davis’ 4744 votes. The Maori Party’s Solomon Tipene finished a distant third with 1026 votes.

    In other words if the Maori Party had withdrawn its candidate, Hone would have lost.

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  27. Grendel (987 comments) says:

    tried to watch the stuff on TV3 after the result, the amount of bullshit coming from Hone is astounding.

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  28. questlove (242 comments) says:

    In other words if the Maori Party had withdrawn its candidate, Hone would have lost.

    That depends on whether or not most of the Maori Party voters would have gone with Labour over Mana.

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  29. Graeme Edgeler (3,279 comments) says:

    In other words if the Maori Party had withdrawn its candidate, Hone would have lost.

    Or those people wouldn’t have voted at all, and Hone would have had an absolute majority.

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  30. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Even in victory, Hone still manages to be completely devoid of grace

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Harawira-suggests-combined-Mana-Maori-Party/tabid/370/articleID/216487/Default.aspx

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  31. mana maori (1 comment) says:

    Kia u ki te mana maori motuhake – tihei mouri ora
    Kia rere pai te mouri o runga kia hono ki te mouri o raro, te kauae runga ki te kauae raro. Kia piki te ora ki tena, ki tena.

    Katahi ano tatau ka rongo i te whakaotinga o te potitanga, tera ka whakahaeretia ki roto o te Tai Tokerau. Kaore kau he mea ohorere i rangona. Kua toa a Hone Harawira. Ehara i te mea i toa te mana maori. E kiia ana i toa te Pati Mana. Kaore ano tera o nga ropu kia tu. He whakaaro, he korero noa iho, e rere ana ki runga i te hau. Engari a Hone. Ko tana i u ai, ko tana i toa ai. Kare kau a ia i kotiti i tana i mea mai ai i tana wehenga i te Pati Maori.

    Ko te potitanga i roto o Te Tai Tokerau he tohu kei te ngaoki tonu te iwi Maori i roto i tana whai haere i te tu motuhake i roto i nga nekeneke o te ao torangapu Pakeha. No te tunga o Matiu Rata me te Pati Mana Motuhake, i kitea ko ta te iwi Maori he whai i te tangata whai kaha. Mehemea he kaha no te tangata ki te whakaka i te hinengaro pohewa auaha o te tangata, ka huri te tangata ki a ia.

    He rite ano ko ta te iwi Maori o nga tau 30 kua hipa nei ki a te hunga Pakeha o Ingarangi mai i te orokohanga mai o te Whare Paremata o Wetiminita. Tuturu, kaore he Pati. Ko te tangata whai rawa (whenua) e kaha ana ki te whakaoreore i ona hoa o tona takiwa ka toa i roto i nga potitanga. Na wai ra ka puta te taukumekumetanga i waenga i te hunga whai rawa me te hunga rawa kore, a, ka whai poti te katoa o te hunga pakeke (ahakoa me tatari tonu kia whai poti te hunga wahine). Na reira, ka puta ko tenei mea te Pati. Ka ako a Ngai Pakeha o Ingarangi, me te piritahi ki te hunga e orite ana nga uara me nga aria, ka nui ake te tuponotanga ka potihia, ka toa. He tuahuatanga i ata tupu mai i roto i te Whare Paremata tuturu e whaia nei e Niu Tireni. Neke atu i te 500 tau, ka tupu nga tikanga, nga maramatanga, nga tuahuatanga na reira marama pu ana te hapori e poti ana me aha.

    Heoi, i te Ao Maori, he mea whakamiharo, no te tau 1852 i te wa i whakaturia Te Whare Paremata o Niu Tireni, ko te wa ano hoki ka whai poti ai te tane Maori whai whenua (i te mea me whai whenua te kaitukupoti), he rite ano te tere o te rere o Ngai Maori ki roto i tenei me te poti, ki te rere o te waka atea e ahu atu ana ki te marama. Tuturu, ka rite te Maori ki nga Pakeha. Ka tu takitahi i runga i to ratau kaha ake. Na wai ra ka tupu nga punua pati (e.g. Ripera, Konihawhita). Ko era pati i tupu mai i Aotearoa, he mea whakaata i era e mahi ana i Ingarangi. Ko ta te pati Pakeha, he patipati i te Maori ki te piri ki a ia. I peratia ai te Hunga Rangatahi Maori, a Ngata ma. Ka puta tahi ai tetehi hunga Maori me te whakaatu i tona kaha ki te whakaratarata i te iwi Maori puta noa, ka kahakina taua hunga e te pati Pakeha. No muri mai i ta te Pati Konihawhita, ko ta Reipa me tana patipati i Te Hahi Ratana. I te putanga mai o Nahinara, ko tana he patipati i etehi o nga tino rangatira o te ao Maori, pera me Kereama Ratima, me Hepi Te Heuheu.

    Kia kaua tatau e wareware, i te wa ka hoha a Matiu Rata ki te Pati Reipa, ka puta a ia ki te whakatu i te Pati Mana Maori Motuhake. Toa ana a ia tae atu ki tana matenga. Ko ia ka toa, ehara i tona pati. Kaore kau tera pati i toa i tetehi wahi ke atu.

    Ko ta te Maori piri atu ki Aotearoa Tuatahi, he mea whai i te huarahi Pakeha. Ahakoa he Maori te rangatira o taua pati, a Winston Peters, he pati Pakeha e patipati ana i te hunga kaumatua Pakeha e wehi ana ki te tokomaha o nga manene o tawahi e whakawhiti ana ki Aotearoa noho ai. Na te mea ko te tokonui o ratau he Ahia, ehara i te Pakeha, ka wehi, a, ka hiahia ki te ngau!

    Ko tetehi o nga kaiarahi tonu o te Pati Maori he mea whai i te ia Pakeha i te wa i timata a ia i tana hikoi ki te Whare Paremata o Niu Tireni. No te Pati Reipa a Tariana Turia. Ka wheke ai a Helen Clarke (te kaiarahi o Reipa i taua wa) ki ta te Koti Whenua Maori whakaae e taea ana e te Maori te tuku tono ki nga rangapapatanga o nga koti o te motu, timata ana ki a ia ano, mo te taha ki te takutai moana ki te whakatau no wai tera wahanga o te whenua. Ka tu nga pihi o Tariana, ka puta ki te whakatu i te Pati Maori. Ka wana te iwi Maori, ka muia a Tariana e te motu. Ka kawea te reo mautohe ki Poneke, ko te hikoi nui ake o nga hikoi Maori mai ra no. Ko Hone Harawira tetehi o te iwi i rata kia tu wehe motuhake ano ai te Maori, kia whai reo motuhake te iwi Maori ki roto o te Paremata. Ka kawa nga whakaaro o Hone ki te Pati Maori i te mea kaore i whaia e te Pati tana i hiahia ai mo te takutai moana. Ka whakarerea te Pati Maori e Hone…me ona kaitautoko o Te Tai Tokerau.

    Ahakoa i puta a Hone i te Pati Maori ki te whakatu i tana pati hou, ara ko Te Pati Mana, kaore ano te Pati Maori kia tu maro i roto i nga nekeneke. Ki te arotakehia ta te Pati Maori, ko te tuaruatanga o ana noho i te Whare Paremata, a, kua whai wahi i roto i te Kawanatanga tonu. Ko te punua e huri ana ki te mahi i te mahi a te katua. Ko te pepi e oma ana, engari ko te hikoi anake tana tino ekenga. Kia mohio ai ki nga tohu o te toa e kaha ana ki te oma, kei Houtaewa o te Tokerau tetehi tauira. Me rite tonu te oma, me kaha te oma, ahakoa te uaua, me oma tonu. Me kaua e noho iho, e kotiti tae atu ki te wa kua tae ki te wahi i whakatauria ai me tae koe.

    Kati, i te mutunga iho, kei te hikoi tonu te iwi Maori katoa i roto i te nga mahi torangapu o te wa. Kaore ano te Pati Maori kia ako ki te oma. He tira hikoi i wehewehe. He tira tonu, ahakoa he iti iho. Ko ta Hone, he hikoi tonu. Ina te nui o te hikoi me oti e huri ai te motu ki a ia. Koia e mea ana tenei, kua toa a Hone i runga i te toatanga o ana mahi i roto i nga tau me tana kaha whakaratarata i nga iwi o te Tai Tokerau ki te tautoko i a ia. Engari, kaore te Pati Mana i toa. Taihoa te ki i tera. Me kite i te tuatahi.

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  32. Shazzadude (525 comments) says:

    “So this is MMP?”

    No, this was FPP. Hone Harawira was elected to parliament via an FPP mechanism, and a change back to FPP would strengthen Hone’s position in parliament.

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  33. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    To quote Kent Brockman- “And I for one welcome our new insect overlords”… (That is.. at least until I can get myself and my family out of this God forsaken country…)

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  34. DJP6-25 (1,341 comments) says:

    Reason # 957 to get rid of the racist seats, and vote STV.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  35. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    Harawira has earned a clear and deserved democratic majority – he has been elected by those who bothered to vote. I’m not fussed on some of his manners and methods but he’s not all bad.

    Like him or not, here’s What’s good about Hone Harawira.

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  36. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,863 comments) says:

    I’m surprised nobody seems to have noticed how accurate that one opinion poll was.

    So much for the line about cell phones.

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  37. slightlyrighty (2,506 comments) says:

    We do have the pleasure of living in a democracy, and part of that is from time to time that democracy puts up people that we disagree with. Hone is his own man, and enough people thought highly enough of him to elect him as their representative.

    Shit happens.

    I don’t like the result. I find Hone to be divisive and racist. I believe that should a Pakeha politician be elected on a pro white mirror image platform to Hone, he would be roundly and rightly reviled.

    Fortunately I live in a country where such opinions can be expressed.

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  38. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    Fair enough, Harawira has been democratically elected.

    But – there were less votes for all candidates in the by-election (11,606) than Harawira got in 2008 (12,019).

    Goff says Labour carved back a large Harawira majority. Rubbish. Apathy and protest no voters carved back all of the whole, Harawira and Davis votes.

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  39. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    He won it fair ans square, by door-knocking and mobilising suport It worked for hime. Now – can he duplicate the result at the general election. Ultimately this is a kick in the nuts for the Maori Party, as Mana will now go viral.

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  40. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    A sad reflection of the caliber of people living in that forsaken electorate. They deserve Hone all the way to oblivion.

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  41. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Like him or not, Hone is a representative for his electorate. Rather than condemning people who vote for him, we could ask ourselves why they voted that way. What is it about the state of politics that raises the appeal of characters like Hone Harawira?

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  42. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    A sad reflection of the caliber of people living in that forsaken electorate.

    Similar to mikenmild asks, is it more a sad reflection on the caliber of people (and parties) supposedly representing us in our forsaken parliament?

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  43. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    So this is MMP?

    The introduction of MMP was the perfect opportunity to get rid of the Maori seats. It would have brought proportion to parliament by itself – if 6% of people voted Maori Party – then they’d get 6% of the seats. Not perfect, but at least Maori can’t say that they’d be underrepresented.

    But unfortunately, they kept the seats. So we get 7% of seats guaranteed for the party who bribes Maori enough – traditionally automatically Labour, last election automatically Maori Party. That’s the unfair bit. Don’t blame MMP.

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  44. s.russell (1,587 comments) says:

    Harawira got fewer than half the votes he got in 2008 (though the proportion will probably rise to about 55% once specials are counted). And the 2011 general election will have a rather different dynamic – he will have a lot less oxygen. I don’t think the November result is a foregone conclusion by any means.

    I also note that by at least one poll (Morgan) the Maori Party is actually polling even higher now (across the country) than its 2008 result. The Mana party is simply not registering in the polls.

    Harawira’s victory in Te Tai Tokerau reflects personal support for him, not support for his party. Just as the Maori Party found, his party vote there in November will be much smaller, and much much much smaller everywhere else.

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  45. Liberty (256 comments) says:

    Labour lost big time
    Hone is a racist
    Labour had the best candidate
    Labour had more resources
    The Maori seats were hard core labour seats for donkey years.
    If labour can’t win a Maori seat how does it expect to win a marginal
    seat ?
    Labour is doomed.

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  46. emmess (1,416 comments) says:

    A small majoroity fo Hone is the best possible result.
    Those that love Hone would have been far more likely turned out at the by-election. At the general election more of the more apathetic voters will fall in line for Labour.
    The existence of the Mana party as a parliamentary will cut into the Maori Partys vote and in a best case scenario wipe them out too.
    This would eradicate the in-built left wing bias created by the Maori seats as part of MMP

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  47. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    This has only broadened Nationals appeal and give them more strength… bringing both Labour and the Maori Party closer to the centre… and moving the extreme left too Hone and the extreme fight too Brash… Labour and the .
    Maori Party have know other place to go.. loosing their support in the process.

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  48. Paul1 (33 comments) says:

    There will be far more labour voters at the general election so I think Davis can sneak home.

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  49. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    Whoops.. right not fight.. no not know… I’ll be voting for Hone next.

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  50. Viking2 (11,334 comments) says:

    mikenmild (575) Says:
    June 26th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Like him or not, Hone is a representative for his electorate. Rather than condemning people who vote for him, we could ask ourselves why they voted that way. What is it about the state of politics that raises the appeal of characters like Hone Harawira?

    Absolutley agree with you for once.MM.
    Northland young Maori have the highest unemployment rate in the country. Is that their fault? Well maybe some of you think so but they are but kids growing up and you and I and the MP’s are the adults that have the control of that situation.
    Why are these young people not able to get jobs? I can tell you that I have employed one or two and they were fine young people who left the district in despair.
    We need to change things, not just for Northland Maori but many others as well. We need to get rid of the social engineering that stops jobs being created and filled by young people.
    First step and the step that the Maori Party failed miserably on is to remove the minimum youth rate and allow employers of all kinds to employ young unskilled youth and begin them on the life’s work journey. Plenty of kids don’t manage at school but that doesn’t make them bad people, it needs another solution and that solution is work.

    What’s happening now isn’t working so lets do something and go back where it did work.

    If we keep doing what we are why should we expect different results?????????????

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  51. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    Viking2

    I don’t really agree with you on the youth rate, but we could have a look at what is happening in places like Northland to produce this disaffection. Hone’s remedies are based on a sense of grievance that will play well to the disadvantaged. The challenge to the mainstream parties is to offer credible visions of a better life. In the absence of such approach, individuals such as Hone Harawira and Winston Peters will always gain some traction

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  52. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    Like him or not, Hone.. WON!

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  53. Paul Marsden (991 comments) says:

    “They shit all over [the people of the North] when they got rid of me and then they got someone else [Solomon Tipene] and they shit all over him,” he said.

    I smell a business opportunity here for toilet rolls.

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  54. Banana Llama (1,105 comments) says:

    Good Bye MMP i guess.

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  55. Tauhei Notts (1,672 comments) says:

    The cost of this bye election must have been enormous.
    There were 134 polling places. 61 of them took less than fifty votes.
    Hone’s seems to be a party for the very far north. I note in places such as Te Hapua, Taheke, Pawarenga and Panguru he got more than 67% of that booth’s votes. But out Henderson way, and in the other Auckland suburbs, there was nothing like the same support.
    This bye election looks like a joke. In Dairy Flat the Maori Party matched the Mana Party in strength. They each got ONE vote. At Ruakaka they were all equal. The total number of votes cast at that booth was ZERO!
    Labour’s vote in Auckland’s suburbia suggests that Goff & Co still have a basic rock solid support group. Memo to John Key; ignore that at your peril.

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  56. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    That makes sense the more poorer and isolated the people.. the more the support… that’s why I hear Hone’s Mana Party policies will be verbal not written.

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  57. Spiritfree (79 comments) says:

    A sad reflection of the caliber of people living in that forsaken electorate.

    Hone appeals to those Maori who seek to put the blame for their lot on everyone else, especially Pakeha. If you wander round Auckland suburbs and talk to some of the guys who are repairing footpaths, for example, you’ll find that a large proportion of them come from up North. You see, the ones who are left up there are those who can’t be bothered to get off of their backsides to better themselves. Those who do actually seek to do better, they leave, because there’s nothing there. And this explains Tauhei Notts’s analysis: “out Henderson way, and in the other Auckland suburbs, there was nothing like the same support” (for HH). What’s left up North are the dregs and its those who vote for HH. The dregs who find it easy to fall back on racism and on blaming others.

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  58. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    I think Hone should get a knighthood.. for getting his people out of their pajamas.. to vote for him.
    Surely getting his people bothered enough to get off their backsides and out of bed.. is the first stage towards getting them a job.
    I still think the best option for most New Zealanders is still Australia and leave this country to the old and the dregs .. as you put it.

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  59. RandySavage (208 comments) says:

    this thread is a mix of vapid generalisations and a win for kneejerk fear mongering. Like it or not Mana will make this years election a tighter and more complex scenario

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  60. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    I pretty sure New Zealand will keep it simple and vote National.

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  61. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    RKBee: I pretty sure New Zealand will keep it simple and vote National.

    Most likely – but not to give them unchecked power. Who to vote for to support – and challenge – them?

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  62. Spiritfree (79 comments) says:

    I’ve just done an extensive analysis of votes by booth, dividing Tai Tokerau into 4 areas. Auckland (including Henderson but not Warkworth), Whangarei and around, the Far North (including as far south as Kaikohe and Kerikeri, but not Paihia) and “mid”, being everywhere else.

    This is HH’s percentage of the votes cast and actual votes:

    Auckland…….40% 1376
    Whangarei…50% 956
    mid……………..43% 427
    Far North……54% 2125

    So the results don’t show that HH depends only on votes from the Far North.

    “Ordinary votes before polling day” of 727 out of 1341 (54%) for HH are not sub-divided by booth on the Govt website’s spreadsheet.

    What might be interesting is an analysis of votes for HH by voters enrolled, by area.

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  63. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    Pete… That’s the real problem… National has no real opposition… these smaller parties just help enforce that.

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  64. mikenmild (11,246 comments) says:

    John Key: “It’s not like really, Hone Harawira can claim victory. This is a very reduced mandate.”

    Well, a win’s a win, John.

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  65. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    National has no real opposition… these smaller parties just help enforce that.

    In the absence of a strong major opposition party it’s all the more important that we have strong small party representation. If Labour don’t get their act together next term we may end up with one major party supported by a cluster of smaller parties. If voters choose wisely that could work well, it would make them more responsive to the electorates.

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  66. NX (604 comments) says:

    tristanb wrote:

    A racist MP in a racist party wins one of the racist seats.

    Well put.

    Like no one ever before in New Zealand’s history, Hone has taken advantage to the electoral system for maximum gain.

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  67. Spiritfree (79 comments) says:

    tristanb wrote: A racist MP in a racist party wins one of the racist seats.

    Spot on.

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  68. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    Pete.. In the absence of a strong major opposition party… all you have left is a small cluster of self interest smaller parties that only take vote’s from one another.. besides Act’s off National. .. leaving the popular main party even in a stronger position.. Labour just show the gutlessness of labour.. letting Goff take the hit this election.. in stead of putting up a fight with a new leader.. They can’t even rely on the workers union vote… if Little looses to Young in the New Plymouth seat… which is now looking likely.. Labour is history.. I believe the voters will vote wisely.. when things are uncertain, wisely you wouldn’t vote for the smaller parties or Labour.. you would vote for stable Government.. National will win this election by a huge landslide margin.. just because of the uncertainty of the times and the need for stable Government.. Labour and the smaller parties can’t offer anything close to stability.. you would be dreaming to think that they could.

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  69. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    RKBee – just accepting that is not just a soft option, it’s opting out of responsibility.

    That’s why I’m pushing for an alternative strong opposition, creating one with a strong embedded link back to the electorates. There’s no better opportunity than now to put a decent semblance of people control into politics.

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  70. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    Here’s the latest.

    Hone Harawira
    Sue Bradford
    Matt McCarten
    John Minto
    Penny Bright
    Nandor Tanczos
    Mike Treen
    Bomber Bradbury
    Joe Carolyn
    Andrew Williams
    Pete George

    I’ll put you on the list… but besides you and a few others I wouldn’t call the rest decent… most of them reek of something… what’s your semblance of people look like.

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  71. Megatron (187 comments) says:

    Mana Maori @ 12:47
    Now thats a really good way of getting your point across…….I’m sure we can all understand the tinococo tinococo coathanga rio bollocks. The arrogance is only exceeded by the hateful attitude demonstrated by Hatefield.

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  72. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    Please RKBee, not on that list. We can do better than that. I’m focusing on electorate anyway.

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  73. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    I here Labour will be looking for new candidates soon .. as well as a name change.

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  74. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    RKBee, try clicking on my name.

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  75. reid (16,174 comments) says:

    There were 1400 specials. Wonder whether they’ll favour Hone or Kelvin?

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  76. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    Click… Your NZ will continuously * Consult * Listen * Represent … untill you get in of course.

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  77. Aredhel777 (286 comments) says:

    Oh good grief. Harawira was actually elected. I can’t say I’m overjoyed, but having idiots in power every so often is the price we pay for democracy I suppose.

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  78. Armotur (31 comments) says:

    Mana Maori @ 12:47

    Struggling to get your point here, could you try in english for me please, or is your point just that..Maori only?

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  79. Pete George (23,417 comments) says:

    RKBee: Click… Your NZ will continuously * Consult * Listen * Represent … untill you get in of course.

    We are setting up a system to ensure it happens. Yeah, we get a lot of people saying it won’t work. If you don’t do anything it won’t work.

    If you try you can make things work.

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  80. KevinH (1,191 comments) says:

    Congradulations to Hone Harawira and Mana for pulling off this historic win, as Hone says “the people have spoken” and indeed that is the lesson all commentators should note in their post election analysis.
    Definitely a good performance from Labour in closing the gap, this indicates that despite the low turnout , Maori love affair with Labour continues. The lesson here for the Maori Party is that Nga Puhi have a different view and have expressed it. Whether the Maori Party want to take that on board remains to be seen.
    Also congradulations to Matt McCarten, finally you get runs on the board, but can the momentum be maintained through to November 26.

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