ACT’s new ad

July 9th, 2011 at 9:52 am by David Farrar

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So what do people think of the advertisement? I would have thought would be focusing more on Labour’s proposed capital gains tax, but eaach to their own.

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180 Responses to “ACT’s new ad”

  1. dog_eat_dog (743 comments) says:

    I won’t be voting for ACT after this. There’s too many economic issues that a man like Don Brash should be focussing on instead of this. Even if he’s right, it’s turning off a whole bunch of voters at the drop of a hat, and he can speak with far more authority on far more pressing issues.

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  2. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    It’s a straight attempt at a poll grab, following on from a party grab. It worked once but the country and the mood has changed since then, so we’ll have to wait and see if it works again.

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  3. scrubone (3,051 comments) says:

    My reaction to the headline is that they’re going in a direction I’m not interested in.

    My reaction to the detail is that a lot of the things they’re concerned about aren’t in fact as bad as they seem to think.

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  4. scrubone (3,051 comments) says:

    Pete George: quite. I actually think that most people have some time for the Maori party, especially now that they’ve split from Hone.

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  5. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    And yes, it is odd that a party that stakes it’s credentials on economic policy focuses on this. Or it would be odd if it wasn’t so obvious what they’re trying to do.

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  6. wreck1080 (3,736 comments) says:

    I think they’re pushing up the wrong tree here.

    The Maori stuff should be a side issue. Most people couldn’t care less about the Wanganui name change.

    Act need to concentrate on the economy.

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  7. Graeme Edgeler (3,269 comments) says:

    1. The Government did not ratify the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People. No-one has ratified it. It is a declaration. It is not a treaty. You can ratify treaties. Treaties have actual force. Declarations do not.

    2. The promise of self-determination is something ACT should support for everyone. I thought he wanted government out of people’s lives.

    The ICCPR guarantees self-determination for everyone. UNDRIP basically just adds “and that includes indigenous people too!”.

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  8. tristanb (1,133 comments) says:

    The answer to their question is ‘yes’, but the advertisement doesn’t quite sit right with me. I’m not sure if it’s the inflammatory nature of the headline or the anachronistic term “radicals”, but their marketing department has swung and missed in this case.

    It may have some fans though, not sure.

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  9. tom hunter (4,436 comments) says:

    What it means is that ACT have given up arguing about things like the CGT, or any of the rest of the nonsense that the Left want to dump on the country.

    This may be due to a lack of intellectual grunt or bone-weariness at trying to make headway against the instinctive what’s gummit’ going to do about it philosophy of New Zealanders, or both.

    Either way it does not matter. They’re dead.

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  10. big bruv (13,334 comments) says:

    I think the advert is great, it spells out what Key and Labour lite have done to our nation.

    I am not sure that the term ‘radicals” is the right one to use, I would have thought the more correct term to use would have been “racists”.

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  11. Dave Mann (1,172 comments) says:

    I think the message and the content are absolutely spot-on….. although the ad itself is a bit too ‘wordy’ for the average punter.

    The maori stuff is not a side issue; it is the main issue. At any time a future government can make any decision it likes about any amount of elements of the economy, but once we have given the country over to racists and separatists the is NO GOING BACK.

    Maori privilege is now becoming so deeply ingrained in the political, social and economic thinking of this country that even many commenters on this blog don’t seem to see it for what it is – a very well organised and skillfully exercised coup on a national scale.

    But I know what will happen on this blog thread. Brash will be cried down for ‘playing the race card’ when what he is actually doing is standing up to and replying to the real racists in our society. This is nu-think in action. Start a race-based political movement for indigenous supremacy and then scream “racist’ at anybody who has the balls to confront what you are doing by spelling out the truth.

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  12. toad (3,670 comments) says:

    Under a string of weak governments, NewZealand has been slowly morphing into a state where those who are Maori have more rights than those who are not.

    Huh? Maori feature at the wrong end of all the statistics about health, education, employment, life expectancy, incarceration, housing and income – yet Brash tries to make out Maori are privileged.

    Good post on this by David Clendon over here.

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  13. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,799 comments) says:

    Firing blanks.

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  14. tvb (4,210 comments) says:

    This is racist. I am finding Don Brash more and more offensive. He is stuck in some 1950′s time warp and he sinks lower in the polls. I hope they get no where. Certainly since Brash was elected Leader they have made no gains. I think National should put up a strong candidate in Epsom and knock them out of Parliament.

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  15. big bruv (13,334 comments) says:

    Toad

    Do you have a problem with the truth?

    Dr Brash is dead right, successive governments (of which the Greens were a part of) have begun preconditioning the people of NZ into accepting that Maori do have more rights than non Maori.

    BTW..who is David Clendon?

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  16. Dave Mann (1,172 comments) says:

    Here we go…. thanks tvp, you have illustrated my point brilliantly. BRASH is the RACIST(!)

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  17. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    I reckon ACT all ready have the votes of the tiny minority who think Maori are over-privileged. Maybe they should be trying to get votes from the National supporters who don’t like the Key government’s endorsement of working for families, interest-free student loans and never ‘catching up with Australia’?

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  18. Manolo (13,402 comments) says:

    Huh? Maori feature at the wrong end of all the statistics about health, education, employment, life expectancy, incarceration, housing..

    And whose fault is it? Tribal Maoridom is mired in the past and backward-looking.

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  19. Manolo (13,402 comments) says:

    Firing blanks.

    The chief sycophant has spoken. Wait until his idol Key comments on the matter.

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  20. dog_eat_dog (743 comments) says:

    Dave,

    I get your point, but at the same time, Don Brash should be using his credentials to talk about our economy, government spending and a capital gains tax. Doing this means people will just write him off without a second thought.

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  21. backster (2,082 comments) says:

    When you reach a situation where years of research and preparation to develop a community by reducing the waste engendered by having too many small local bodies, and consolidating it into one, and you then employ 28 part Maori experts to advise on the Special requirements of their minority mixed race, then is such a response not overdue. The moreso because local bodies up and down the country are taking their lead from Auckland and setting up similar cabals.

    For all that though I acknowledge the countries economic position and the disastrous solutions proposed by Labour are of more immediate concern.

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  22. KevinH (1,132 comments) says:

    ACT are going down the wrong path on this one. It’s a perspective on economics that is expected of ACT with Don Brash at the helm, not this waffle which is more suited to ACT’s supporters: http://www.nzcpr.com/.
    It’s dumb, plain dumb.ACT needs plus 5% to make the cut, this sort of nonsense will leave them at -2%.

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  23. Peter (1,578 comments) says:

    I think the headline is aimed at the middle redneck-tending vote, as opposed to ACTs core, economic centered vote. Still, it doesn’t quite sit well with me.

    I guess they hope their core vote will overlook it, but they’ll pick up some extra numbers from the middle vote.

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  24. Peter (1,578 comments) says:

    Maori elite *are* privileged, Toad.

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  25. Paulus (2,503 comments) says:

    Seems to me to be a succint aspect of the ACT Party. I know it will be really non PC but to me it goes more towards what I believe has held New Zealand back for so long, and will continue to deteriorate unless some serious thought is given. However as no serious thought will be given as National cruise to victory (maybe). It is possible National will get a shock come November.

    It is only one part of the ACT philosophy, so I will wait and see what differences both in this and the remainder of policy brings before considering my usually (all my voting life National) vote.

    It may be perhaps ACT for party vote this time, as I do not believe National have shaped up very well, as I expected at the last election.

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  26. MikeE (555 comments) says:

    This ad is fucking stupid, and thats coming from someone who would probably vote act.

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  27. adze (1,873 comments) says:

    They’re crazy focusing on this stuff. ACT should be presenting a positive vision of prosperity with an appropriate roadmap, not this Orewa rubbish.

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  28. Dave Mann (1,172 comments) says:

    dog_eat_dog said “I get your point, but at the same time, Don Brash should be using his credentials to talk about our economy, government spending and a capital gains tax. Doing this means people will just write him off without a second thought.”

    Actually, dog, the vast majority of voters probably don’t have a clue about point-headed things like the economy. They just leave this to ‘the guimmint’ and complain that it isn’t doing enough about it blah blah blah.

    But when it comes down to the emotional response to racial separatism, this is where the ordinary man will find himself agreeing wholeheartedly (sorry I couldn’t be bothered trying to phrase that in PC nu-speak).

    This kind of truth telling will activate the electorate much more than dry diatribes on fiscal and monetary policy projections amortised on a per-capita basis indexed to the intermagnum capital ratio of the econo-flimp. People don’t understand that.

    This is the kind of argument that connected so deeply with the electorate thru the Orewa speeches and the situation wasn’t nearly as bad then as it is now.

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  29. Martin Gibson (227 comments) says:

    When you face a haka, you pick up the wero then get on with the hongis and the feed. If you do a haka back you get a scrap.
    I’m always a bit non-plussed when New Zealand welcomes guests by threatening to kill them, but that’s the culture, and we should know it well enough to stop reaching for a musket every time we see a haka ourselves.
    Let’s pick up the wero, admit our errors and look at areas where Maori traditions and world views would enrich us as a nation.
    After that we can have a korero about some of things New Zealand could do with less of: fatalism, violence, feminism, poor governance, laziness and a weak regard for education.
    Then we can get on with the feed together.
    Maori are a bit like the top of the mast of a ship — when they’re upside down, they are really upside down. When they come right, they really come right and shine for miles.
    Don Brash is not going to right New Zealand’s ship with this old haka back at the bros, and it looks silly when you’re a skinny fulla doing a haka in wire spectacles and a suit.

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  30. annie (537 comments) says:

    Typical unsavoury Don Brash stuff. I think it’s a mistake in terms of alienating moderate right-wing voters, and also a bit pointless since Winston has the neanderthal vote well and truly sewn up.

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  31. dog_eat_dog (743 comments) says:

    Not deeply enough to win an election, and not deeply enough to appease other potential ACT voters, Dave. And the fact people don’t have a clue about the economy is the problem, not a means to a ends. Those ‘dry diatribes’ you talk about are things like Capital Gains Tax, rampant Government spending and tax issues. If you could make every New Zealander at leas $50 a week better off by lowering spending and therefore taxes, then you’re speaking to many more potential voters than you will through the ‘Orewa’ speech.

    I get that it’s important, but ACT (and Don) have bigger fish to fry that affects everyone, regardless of race or whatever. I’d rather have Don speaking from his credible pedestal – economic issues – that taking up policies that make him a soft target. Know that I’m not saying the race thing is an issue, but the country needs economic leadership so much more right now.

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  32. tom hunter (4,436 comments) says:

    The sad thing about this is that if ACT were smart they could actually work with the Maori party to leverage the long-term aims of ACT. I may have written this before on this blog but here’s the argument:

    Public education has failed Maori

    Public Health has failed Maori.

    In general, goverment and the state has failed Maori.

    Moroever, Maori themselves realise this, which is why there has been such a push for Maori to control things like healthcare delivery and education for Maori.

    Yes, there are aspects of this approach that can be considered racist and certainly separatist and there is the possibility of a “slippery slope” with regard to things like “Maori Law” and so forth.

    But I think it would be worth it for ACT to push this as much as possible: enable the Maori party to deliver chunks of government institutions into the hands of Maori individuals and small groups. Push the entrepreneurial and localised self-control aspects of it …

    and then use that as a lever to push the same things across the rest of the NZ population.

    The added bonus of this approach would be that when Labour and the rest of the Left rise up in horrified opposition to the dismantling of their beloved state organs we can take great pleasure in mocking them as racists!

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  33. Dave Mann (1,172 comments) says:

    admit our errors

    Ok mate, I admit it. The establishment of a Westminister democracy and a forward thinking modern, truly egalitarian society based on science, technology and hard work was a really BAD mistake! Geez….. what on earth could those stupid people have been thinking of?? They were idiots alright. How can we fix this? Oh, I know….

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  34. MT_Tinman (2,995 comments) says:

    As a committed National voter for over two months now the “ad” seems about right to me.

    ACT has become the plaything for loser Don and his single-issue mates.

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  35. Anthony (768 comments) says:

    Why should Act be anti-capital gains tax. It should be supporting a broader fairer tax system with lower rates – so that means taxing capital gains. Capital gains are already taxed in certain situations and the current law dealing with them is a dogs breakfast and well overdue for reform.

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  36. Davo36 (34 comments) says:

    This makes me annoyed. ACT are just giving their allies ammo with this sort of stuff.

    Focus on the economic stuff for crying out loud.

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  37. dog_eat_dog (743 comments) says:

    Anthony,

    Simply put; a capital gains tax implemented at the height of a property boom has been implemented at the wrong time. What they really need is a basic stamp duty that doesn’t pretend to be anything but a duty on act of the transaction itself. Labour missed the boat on CGT and putting one in now will either result in capital losses (presumably deductible) or merely stagnate the price of housing. It won’t achieve much except stimulate the tax accounting industry to the point where people who are bad at it (like me) can get work. Of course, it also creates more paper-pushing. You’d be creating more government jobs to aid the government in losing money.

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  38. Dave Mann (1,172 comments) says:

    Public education has failed Maori

    Public Health has failed Maori.

    In general, goverment and the state has failed Maori.

    Fuck…. you people never give up do you? The average ‘maori’ has just as much ability to access and utilise the education and health systems of this country as anybody else (nowadays, more actually, but lets not go there). If a maori fails its not everybody else’s problem. Why do you halfwits not see that?

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  39. Steve (4,500 comments) says:

    “Think Tank”
    Make Maori Language compulsary – Willie raving like the Racist he is.
    Fuck off Willie. A person should have a choice, and you want to take that choice away.

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  40. EverlastingFire (291 comments) says:

    I think this is a good angle for ACT to follow. Clearly there is a lot of fed up people who are sick of the pandering to racist Maoris, if ACT are the only one to stand up against them, then a lot of people will no doubt be thinking twice about give their vote to National.

    Economics is always going to be the main focus for ACT, but the masses will always be unable to fully understand them or even want to.

    This is good, something to draw more people to ACT. They have been getting under 5% in the elections long enough now, time to try a different approach.

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  41. Other_Andy (2,327 comments) says:

    @ Dave Mann

    You need to update your ‘lefty’ dictionary.
    Equality now means “equality of outcomes” not “equality of access”.
    (You can also look it up in the latest Newspeak dictionary.)

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  42. James (1,338 comments) says:

    What’s being missed…and the ad fails to clarify it,is that its not individual Maori people but the collective abstract monster called “Maori” that is the problem (and one that owes much of its impact to do gooding lefty pakehas who think they are helping Maori) and needs slaying fast….especially for the sake of the aforementioned individual Maori who are hurt the most by its existence.Look at the vast positive effect on individual Maori’s who are freed from its life and soul destroying grip by going to Aussie where they are forced to stand on their own feet and aren’t shackled by a cultural/racial chain that they are burdened with here in NZ.

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  43. Nigel (511 comments) says:

    Bugger, I thought act getting into parliament next election was a no-brainer until that ad, I just sold my ipredict shares.

    I can kinda live with brash doing dumb stuff, but ignoring the economy and giving Hones mana army in kaitaia free ammo is just plain stupid ( it’s getting ugly up there ).

    P.S. David Mann @ 11:41 is right, but ads like this are tactical crap & play into the hands of Maori who want to bicker forever rather than settling up and moving on. If nothing else we cannot afford Maori to underperform economically, it’s a drain on our entire economy, but an ad like this won’t help that.

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  44. kingofthejuice (5,896 comments) says:

    Predictable ad I guess. As a swing voter I may have considered giving my party vote to ACT because I like Brash’s pragmatism, but I won’t be doing so because I’m not going to associate myself with thoughtless intolerance.

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  45. tom hunter (4,436 comments) says:

    Fuck…. you people never give up do you? The average ‘maori’ has just as much ability to access and utilise the education and health systems of this country as anybody else (nowadays, more actually, but lets not go there). If a maori fails its not everybody else’s problem. Why do you halfwits not see that?

    I think you rather missed my point as I was suggesting the argument that ACT could be putting forward to Maori that they would probably accept and that would take advantage of the “victim” statistics so often used by the Left to argue for more of the same.

    ACT could use those poor outcomes to argue for trying a different approach – and Maori would probably be amenable to that. Better than this sort of confrontational shit.

    I think those systems have failed everybody in NZ over the last 40 years.

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  46. Nick K (1,072 comments) says:

    Good ad if you don’t want Winston back.

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  47. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Those who are saying they now won’t vote ACT because of this ad wouldn’t have anyway because they are obviously too thick to understand the issues.

    Tom is right though….ACT should also approach this issue as he suggests.

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  48. tom hunter (4,436 comments) says:

    In case my point is still not clear let me state it this way:

    The Left use the argument that Maori have done badly as a way of supporting the government doing more, not to mention being able to rant on all the post-modern, post-colonial arguments about shitty Western systems and those dreaded “Europeans”.

    If you argue against these statistics you face two problems. First, it is not deniable that Maori have crappier outcomes, so that argument fails at the start. Second, you very quickly get drawn into arguments that rest upon race and culture – which allows your left-wing ideological opponents to simply scream raaaaacissst and avoid defending the stupid systems they’ve put in place.

    So instead of that approach I suggest agreeing with them that Maori have crap societal outcomes – and then using that as an argument for doing something different that is not focused on more government but less – which is where ACT supposedly wants to go anyway.

    Less stupid confrontation on your opponents favoured battleground of shrieking emotions. More positive stuff focused on pragmatic solutions that fit with ACT’s ideological aims.

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  49. dog_eat_dog (743 comments) says:

    James,

    How does disagreeing with the preference in which ACT tackles and prioritises issues make me too thick to understand them?

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  50. Elaycee (4,305 comments) says:

    Anthony says: “It should be supporting a broader fairer tax system with lower rates – so that means taxing capital gains.”

    Duh? Have a look at the figures – a massively disproportionate low percentage of taxpayers contribute the bulk of the tax in NZ. Slapping a CGT on the Mums and Dads who have managed to get off their arses and save enough to purchase a holiday retreat somewhere, is dumb in the highest order. In many cases, this same property has been designated as the asset they will cash up to fund their retirements!

    If you want ‘fair / equitable’ then do something about the parasites who treat welfare as a lifestyle choice. If you want ‘fairer’ then get rid of the unaffordable Labour election bribe of interest free loans. If you want ‘fairer’ then get rid of the unaffordable Maori grievance industry. On that particular issue, ACT seems to be singing solo.

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  51. Anthony (768 comments) says:

    Dog-eat-dog I can see you are bad at accounting because the current tax law generates work for tax accountants because it is so uncertain whether capital gains are taxed or not. A simple capital gains tax would not create any extra jobs and might even reduce the amount of expensive tax advice that taxpayers need to purchase. A tax advisor once told me that up to 50% of his work involved issues around the tax treatment of capital gains. I have seen some of the legal arguments myself.

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  52. John Ansell (861 comments) says:

    The problem with New Zealand is it’s full of white cowards who are too frightened of being called names to stand up for the truth.

    (And that’s just the ACT Party.)

    And the truth (if we are honest enough to admit it) is: for the last quarter-century, our country has been brownwashed by a bunch of scammers (aided and abetted by legions of white ‘useful idiots’) into feeling guilty for the supposed sins of our British great-great-grandparents.

    A sober reading of the facts reveals that some of these sins were actual (though far less sinful than the crimes perpetrated by Maori on Maori). Many others were highly exaggerated and delivered with lashings of emotional blackmail, for the purposes of extorting compensation.

    But of course we are New Zealanders and we are not allowed to tell our truth (as Alasdair Thompson recently found out to his cost).

    We are not allowed to speak out about state suffocation, Maorification, feminazism, National socialism, teacher unionism or any of the other evils that are dragging our country into the third world.

    Those who do have the guts to tell the truth are called nasty names like racists in the hope that, like snails, one light contact with politically-correct criticism will be enough to make them shrink back into their shells.

    And of course it works a treat.

    There are plenty of parties for pessimists, backward-looking Maori and white bedwetters. But there’s only one for optimists, achievement-oriented people and forward-looking Maori.

    ACT will not succeed until it champions the latter and tells the dishonest others to go to Hell.

    In short, their catchment is men and women who think like men. Not men and women who think like women. ACT is the party of the strong father, not the soft mother.

    (By strong father I include strong women like Rand, Richardson and Thatcher, and by soft mother I include weak men like Key.)

    I hope you people will think about that.

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  53. dog_eat_dog (743 comments) says:

    Anthony – With all due respect, politically motivated taxes like CGT (as with GST in Australia) end up being so bastardised to please the electorate that it just makes things more complicated. Our current system is pretty neither here nor there, but you would be kidding yourself if you think a blanket CGT tax will result in any less face-time with tax accountants.

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  54. Courage Wolf (559 comments) says:

    ACT fucked up big time. This ad was probably made before the CGT debate, and they didn’t have the resources to prepare another ad in time relevant to what is currently being debated.

    Secondly, who the fuck has the time to read all that shit? Even I as an ACT supporter who agrees with the message could not be fucked skimming through the ad. An advertising 101 class could tell you this ad would never work.

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  55. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    This is silly. Act get the fundamentals right, tax, property rights, welfare, red tape etc, the rest will take care of itself. Maori want what every other person in NZ desires, job, home, health, small government etc. What they don’t need are the us and them rhetoric. Radicals will have no leg to stand on if the system treats all as one, pointing at one and other will just divide us further.

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  56. big bruv (13,334 comments) says:

    Well said Mr Ansell

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  57. Elaycee (4,305 comments) says:

    Whale says in his blog “ACT has pub­lished a new ad. Shame­fully the Dom­Post refused to pub­lish it though I can’t see why. Pol­i­tics is about a con­test of ideas not for news­pa­pers to decide what can and can’t be said.”

    If this comment is correct, then the DomPost is a disgrace.

    http://gotcha.co.nz/

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  58. Courage Wolf (559 comments) says:

    John Ansell… For all your intellectual masturbation… The only people I can see this ad appealing to are… Well, I can’t even think of that. Big Bruv I guess.

    Despite all your reasoning and justifications this is the exact reason why your prediction Brash could get up to 40% after taking over from Rodney did not eventuate. Go out on the street and do a street poll asking what people care about the most, what’s affecting their weekly budgets etc. Maori issues is not at the forefront of their concerns.

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  59. wat dabney (3,691 comments) says:

    toad,

    You appear not to understand what the term “privileged” means.

    It doesn’t mean rich.

    And no, we won’t go to the Green Party’s censored fake blog thanks.

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  60. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    ACT had a big ad in the Dom today. Not the ad in question though, but a more rational one about their core values.

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  61. Anthony (768 comments) says:

    dog-eat-dog – I agree a blanket CGT is unlikely to reduce time with accountants but all this assertion that it will hugely increase complications in the tax system and people will have to live with their tax accountant like John Key suggests is speculative rhetoric! There is no admission that the tax system already taxes capital gains in a rather arbitrary manner that could easily be fixed. For example, if the current law that says the sale of property is taxable if it was purchased with the intent of resale was changed to say the sale is always taxable if the property was used to generate a tax loss then it would be much easier to understand and police – and tax advisers wouldn’t have to look at case law to understand when the provision might apply.

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  62. Richard Hurst (757 comments) says:

    The DomPost is a private newspaper and can run whatever ads it sees fit. People are also free to buy or not buy the paper. Newspapers don’t decide what can and can’t be said. You do- if you choose to say something or not. If someone really doens’t like it then start your newspaper.

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  63. xy (152 comments) says:

    Once upon a time I told my entirely leftist friends that I thought ACT was worth voting for, because they were laser-focused on sensible economic policy, and it was a good thing to have a voice for that in parliament to counter the larger parties’ natural tendencies.

    Hahaha, whoops.

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  64. John Ansell (861 comments) says:

    Let’s just tell the truth, shall we?

    Maoris have worse social outcomes because too many of them were too bloody lazy to listen to their great leaders like Ngata, Pomare, Carroll and Buck.

    Those great men basically said, “Don’t blame the white man for the Treaty.
    After all, we signed it. Just focus on beating him at his own game.”

    And those guys did. Ngata was the first NZer, brown or white, to get a double degree. But his people preferred to take the welfare cheques.

    Now look at the Chinese.

    No race in New Zealand has suffered more institutionalised prejudice that the Chinese did in the late 19th, early 20th centuries.

    And what was their response. Did they bawl and wail about being called The Yellow Peril? Did they demand compensation for the Poll Tax?

    No. They just forgave and moved on, more often than not beating the white man at his own game.

    That’s the difference between socialism and Confucianism or Buddhism right there.

    And for pointing out that obvious truth, you will now all call me a racist.

    What a joke this country is.

    And what a cowardly newspaper is the Dominion Post.

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  65. RightNow (6,679 comments) says:

    The poor Maori were always the poor Maori. No different from anyone else.
    The rich Maori have certainly done well by Treaty settlements.

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  66. Courage Wolf (559 comments) says:

    Let’s just tell the truth, shall we?

    Maoris have worse social outcomes because too many of them were too bloody lazy to listen to their great leaders like Ngata, Pomare, Carroll and Buck.
    Those great men basically said, “Don’t blame the white man for the Treaty. After all, we signed it. Just focus on beating him at his own game.”
    And those guys did. Ngata was the first NZer, brown or white, to get a double degree. But his people preferred to take the welfare cheques.
    Now look at the Chinese.
    No race in New Zealand has suffered more institutionalised prejudice that the Chinese did in the late 19th, early 20th centuries.
    And what was their response. Did they bawl and wail about being called The Yellow Peril? Did they demand compensation for the Poll Tax?
    No. They just forgave and moved on, more often than not beating the white man at his own game.
    That’s the difference between socialism and Confucianism or Buddhism right there.
    And for pointing out that obvious truth, you will now all call me a racist.

    If this was the content of the ad it would have won votes. The current ad is just too lengthy and nothing that will change minds.

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  67. Elaycee (4,305 comments) says:

    Richard Hurst says: ” Newspapers don’t decide what can and can’t be said.”

    Haha – you cannot be serious! If you think for a minute that the ‘editorial pen’ doesn’t exercise any influence, then you are either delusional or you are on some serious medication.

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  68. Courage Wolf (559 comments) says:

    I think the purpose of this ad was for it to be controversial, start up a lynch mob like the Alasdair Thompson affair or Ian Wishart book and win over the people on one side. Unfortunately due to unforeseen events (the CGT debate) it is now overshadowed and the strategy has failed.

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  69. Ruth (178 comments) says:

    DPF said “I would have thought ACT would be focusing more on Labour’s proposed capital gains tax, but each to their own.”

    The ad, and the direction Brash is taking, is pure Perigo. As Press Secretary he has a lot of power, and I know he is personally not interested in economics. And he has been a C list conservative, rather than a libertarian (except on gay issues) for years.

    Brash is much better than this, and I am disappointed he is running this stuff up the flagpole instead of economic issues. From what I hear, many others in business circles think he has simply lost the plot.

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  70. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    ‘Those great men basically said, “Don’t blame the white man for the Treaty. After all, we signed it. Just focus on beating him at his own game.”’

    Well, that’s a novel interpretation!

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  71. John Ansell (861 comments) says:

    There is a volcano of rage on the street about the Maorification of Everything. Meanwhile Key panders to Maori. Every other party panders to Maori.

    Why is it wrong for one party to articulate the grievances of the other 85% (plus high-achieving Maori)?

    Years of social (really socialist) studies in school brainwashes New Zealanders into becoming make-believe Maoris. Only a powerful jolt will make them see that it’s one big con.

    Of course there are more issues than this one. Of course Don Brash’s economic solutions are the core of ACT’s policy.

    But to ignore the 81% of New Zealanders who supported him on the Close Up poll after his debate with Hone Harawira would be mad.

    Does ACT want to be the courageous general rallying his men to fight a war for civilisation? Or does it prefer to be the no-mates teenage nerd who would sacrifice what he knows is right just so he can get more friends on Facebook?

    That’s what ACT will have to decide after this weekend.

    Personally, I think all those who were part of the collaborationist strategy of recent times should have the decency to bugger off.

    All the lily-livered bedwetters who are too scared to stand up for the truth have no place in a party fighting for truth, freedom, fairness and excellence.

    This will put me out of sync with most of the party, and for that I couldn’t give a stuff.

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  72. reid (15,981 comments) says:

    I think the purpose of this ad was for it to be controversial, start up a lynch mob like the Alasdair Thompson affair or Ian Wishart book and win over the people on one side. Unfortunately due to unforeseen events (the CGT debate) it is now overshadowed and the strategy has failed.

    You obviously haven’t read Ansell’s 12:45 then have you, CW, or if you have, you’ve misunderstood it so profoundly I urgently suggest a re-read lest you keep digging.

    This is merely a positioning statement – the first of many. Personally I don’t understand why it’s the first off the block notwithstanding JA’s 12:45 explanation. Just it has shock impact which while making something memorable, also normally polarises and I wouldn’t have thought that the best opening salvo, given that polarisation means you’ve lost them forever.

    So I’m with at the mo, those others who wonder why the economic issue wasn’t first cab.

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  73. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    I’ve enjoyed the ‘Maorification of Everything’. I reckon it’s made us a stronger, more vibrant and more interesting country.

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  74. Courage Wolf (559 comments) says:

    Does ACT want to be the courageous general rallying his men to fight a war for civilisation? Or does it prefer to be the no-mates teenage nerd who would sacrifice what he knows is right just so he can get more friends on Facebook?

    To put that into context and not use hyperbole, your parable is more accurately described as:

    Does ACT want to be the courageous general in World of Warcraft nerd with 10 hardcore World of Warcraft friends on his Facebook following his clan, or does it prefer to be the cool popular guy who created an awesome party event with 1,000 people attending?

    None of this rallying a war for civilisation bullshit. I made this post on Asian Invasion:

    You are an deluded if you think you can win this game. In order to win, you must win the debate to convince ‘mum and dad voters’ that you are right and the left are wrong. You give this large block of dumbasses way too much credit to understand your logic. Key is much smarter. He knows that mum and dad voters are idiots so he knows that the only way to win them over is to just stay conservative and not offend them, rather than risk trying to talk logic into them.

    I probably could have worded that better but am too lazy to.

    To use an example to demonstrate my point above, say there is a ten year old kid. You want him to tidy his room. One person gives the child lollies, while the other person tries to convince the child through logic why he should clean his room. The one trying to convince the child through logic will never be able to beat the one who has candy to offer.

    Likewise mum and dad voters are far too economically illiterate for you to be able to beat Labour at their game. You’re trying to convince voters that ACT’s policies are sensible. Labour doesn’t have to do this, they just throw money at them.

    Fuck mum and dad voters.

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  75. Dave Mann (1,172 comments) says:

    I said earlier that I agree with the ad, but it is too ‘wordy’. John Ansell, did you write this? It doesn’t seem like your work (you are more punchy), but I’m just wondering….

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  76. reid (15,981 comments) says:

    Personally, I think all those who were part of the collaborationist strategy of recent times should have the decency to bugger off.

    Something ACT needs to do with this issue is to clarify who and what they are attacking and who and what they are not. On this issue it is extremely easy for opponents to draw in human injustice and when that happens the boundaries get blurred so it is over to ACT, to clarify precisely what and/or who, they are against. My reading of the public mind is that is not clear, to most people even some of the brighter ones. The default position when this happens is the “won’t someone think of the children” defence which many people live in for their entire, wretched lives. Poor bastards. But it’s true, isn’t it. If you haven’t thought about this intellectually, you’re by default in the “it’s racist” basket and how John, does one best shift people from that.

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  77. dog_eat_dog (743 comments) says:

    No offense John, but I’d rather hear ACT’s response to the actual political story of the week, instead of the political story of 2005. You don’t always have Hone standing next to you to make you look reasonable. Just focus on reducing government spending as a whole, lowering taxes and making sure that people won’t be taxed for collecting coins as a hobby.

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  78. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Authorised by Garry Mallett,,Hamilton

    Well, Garry keep authorising shit like this and you could loose Epsom.

    Who do you sort out after you’ve got the Hori’s under control?

    By that time those pesky asians might need taking down a peg or two.

    The whole thing is appalling, it reads like something written for “Truth”.

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  79. first time caller (384 comments) says:

    Ad’s boring and so last election. Typical Brash. I saw it was the headline and thought, like most others on this thread, that it was off topic for this week.
    Couldn’t be bothered even reading below the headline.

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  80. kingofthejuice (5,896 comments) says:

    @John Ansell (748) Says:
    July 9th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    I would suggest that your rhetoric would have more resonance if it wasn’t replete with abuse.

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  81. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,799 comments) says:

    Mr Ansell, when the key issues facing NZers are unemployment, fixing Christchurch, rising rents, finding a better job, avoiding more of Labour’s tax, spend and giveaway, why do you rush off for a bit of Maori bashing?

    You remind me of the high diver who forgot to see if there was some water in the pool before he jumped.

    A volcano of rage, really? Not on your nelly, sir. Just a jumping jack in the back yard of a few red necks.

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  82. John Ansell (861 comments) says:

    mikenmild (1,010) Says:
    July 9th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
    I’ve enjoyed the ‘Maorification of Everything’. I reckon it’s made us a stronger, more vibrant and more interesting country.

    More vibrant – yes.

    More interesting – yes.

    Stronger – no.

    Pretending to be bicultural and backward instead of multicultural and modern has torn us apart.

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  83. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    I don’t know how biculturalism can be associated with backwardness. Read the WAI262 report published last week. It’s anything but backward looking and an example of the thinking this country needs, rather than Brash’s mindless Maori-bashing.

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  84. John Ansell (861 comments) says:

    Oh yes, Maori owning New Zealand’s native flora and fauna and telling farmers they can’t cut their own indigenous scrub is really forward-looking.

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  85. James (1,338 comments) says:

    The surrender monkeys racists on here opposing Brash prove the apartheid system has done its brainwashing work well.

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  86. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    It obvious John Ansell hasn’t read that report.

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  87. reid (15,981 comments) says:

    It’s anything but backward looking and an example of the thinking this country needs, rather than Brash’s mindless Maori-bashing.

    Actually mm Brash doesn’t and never has bashed Maori. Only idiots think anything he has said and done over this issue since Orewa is in the least racist or “Maori bashing” in anyway.

    I’m always interested in understanding however so pray tell why you think anything he has ever said or done is, in fact, actually either racist or more specifically, bashing Maori?

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  88. Courage Wolf (559 comments) says:

    ohn Ansell (750) Says:
    July 9th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Oh yes, Maori owning New Zealand’s native flora and fauna and telling farmers they can’t cut their own indigenous scrub is really forward-looking.

    Believing that this is the flavour of the current electoral climate is really forward-looking…

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  89. John Ansell (861 comments) says:

    It seems to me that there are Four Big Cons being perpetrated in New Zealand, of which the Maorification of Everything is just one.

    There’s also:

    The John Key Con – the notion that Key cares about his country and will implement core National policy, when the evidence from three years of incompetent management makes it blindingly obvious that he doesn’t, and he won’t.

    The Global Warming Con – the notion that we need to pay higher prices for everything and punish our farmers in the name of an unproven theory based on dodgy computer models.

    The Teachers Union Con – the notion that the PPTA and NZEI care about children, when their real agenda is to keep the worst teachers teaching those children for life.

    There may be more. All of these four would be fertile ground for a party to campaign on. But don’t expect much enthusiasm for telling the truth about St John.

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  90. Chris Diack (723 comments) says:

    John Ansell (748) Says:
    July 9th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    There is a volcano of rage

    Yup. That about sums it up.

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  91. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    James and others

    You are missing the point.

    This post was about the ad above.

    Now for a party that supposedly has lots of answers regarding the curing of our economic ills, the above ad is a piece of shit.

    We (us the voters) are the ones meant to be asking questions, instead of the ACT party asking a whole lot of asinine questions in this ad- they would have been much better off giving us some policy.

    The ACT supporters here are always mentioning, less government, less spending etc etc..well lets see how its going to be done becasue at the moment, ACT are leaderless, rudderless and if they have to resort to the above tripe to get any media they are clueless.

    We will have Winston and his pommy geriatrics campaigning on immigrants, that should be enough race based issue raising. If ACT can not give us something fresh other than the above and lots of recycled politicians they are dead in the water .

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  92. Elaycee (4,305 comments) says:

    “Read the WAI262 report published last week. It’s anything but backward looking and an example of the thinking this country needs”

    Hahahaha – this is a dog whistle comment. The WAI262 topic has been flogged on KB and should now be consigned to where it will remain forever – the rubbish bin.

    It was 20 years in the making. It contained recommendations from a special interest group. Their ‘findings’ are always non binding. And this report was further proof (if it was ever needed) that the Waitangi Tribunal is a total WOFTAM.

    Now, lets get back to the topic…

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  93. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Well – Ive almost decided not to vote national – (because they havent taken a strong position on anything and they show no hint of wanting to be big and bold)

    Labour was – and I still think is – out in the cold – but the CGT has more legs than anyone thought – especially if its applied to ALL assets. Mind you property will still be tops – the quality of company management wont change (from simply awful) because of a CGT.

    I have Peters in mind – at least he stirs up parliament and is no worse a than national when it comes to big bold ideas.

    ACT was seriously on my list – and I dont mind the advert – i agree with it – maori radicals and the idea of a bicultural country are just horseshit. But they would need to show some better ideas than this in the next few months – and theres plenty of time. Just look what the idea of a CGT has done for Labour.

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  94. John Ansell (861 comments) says:

    Chris Diack: Are you saying that if the volcano turns out to be a fizzer, ACT might plummet from 2% to 1%?

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  95. Manolo (13,402 comments) says:

    Since when the contemptible Ranganui Walker is a “cultural commentator”? A bitter and twisted old man is a more accurate description of him.
    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=200127

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  96. Manolo (13,402 comments) says:

    I’ve enjoyed the ‘Maorification of Everything’.

    Jeepers. You must be an avid and keen reader of the crime section of your local newspaper.

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  97. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    Ansell, you posted the following,( Those great men basically said, “Don’t blame the white man for the Treaty.
    After all, we signed it. Just focus on beating him at his own game.”)

    When and where did Buck and co say that ? in which history books are they, and no it was never said by them in written Maori either.

    Welfare you are right to many Maori are on welfare, should we go back to after the first world war rules when badly wounded Maori got no welfare payments ?

    So has Brash found a token Maori to join ACT yet ? or is it still whiter than white with a few token Asians ?
    So ACT has become an offshoot of the BNP party ?

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  98. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    John, why doesn’t Act come up with positive ideas and solutions rather than exaggerating problems?

    It’s a pity small parties seem to think wedge politics will win enough support. Even if it does it makes doing anything about what matters even harder.

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  99. reid (15,981 comments) says:

    I would be interested to understand from the political strategists here just precisely why this policy is still being pursued as if it’s an Orewa Two moment, for the country now is not what it was then, Hone notwithstanding.

    The mood is different and today it’s like the Clinton-Bush 41 slogan: “It’s the economy, stupid”

    I just woulda thought that message, today, has way more traction than this positioning statement released today.

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  100. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Manolo

    We should talk about Ranginui Walker another time. Elaycee might tell you off for being off topic.

    ACT are a sad case. They started with such high hopes, imagining that they would command 20-30% of the vote. While their economic message might have gained some traction; they have continually pissed away any advantages they might have enjoyed by playing what they imagined would be popular messages: ‘perk-busting’, law and order, and ‘Maori privilege’. Actually it’s rather reassuring that none of these things have given them any lasting traction, but have condemned them to political irrelevance.

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  101. Rodders (1,790 comments) says:

    Instead of having the tino rangatiratanga flag, why didn’t ACT use something like this in their ad?
    http://homelypaws.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=152

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  102. James (1,338 comments) says:

    ACT has been offering more policy and solutions to NZ’s ills than any other party and have been doing so for a long time…some of you people need to open your eyes and look instead of making asinine comments about “where’s the policy!?”

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  103. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Law and order as an issue got 90 odd percent interest when the referendum on crime was had years back…and it sits alongside ACT’s other issues so its valid to pursue.Perk busting was also valid ad Rodney saved us many millions by attacking it.

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  104. Kimble (4,383 comments) says:

    ACT can never work with the Maori party because the Maori party does not support smaller government, reduced spending, lower taxes, fiscal responsibility, the divorce of government and special interest groups, free trade, etc.

    The Maori party can never work with ACT because ACT does not support larger government, higher spending, higher taxes, quotas on employment (if the Maori party havent said that yet, just wait a few years), protectionism, and they dont view the role of the government to be whatever the government says it is.

    Maori Radicals need a big powerful government to do what they want. ACT will not provide them with that.

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  105. Kimble (4,383 comments) says:

    And ACT has been coming out with more policy than anyone else. Just because you dont know about it, doesnt mean it ceases to exist.

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  106. John Ansell (861 comments) says:

    What do the media care about policy? The New Zealand media are interested in entertainment, not information. What they care about is conflict, not economics.

    Don’s got some inspiring policies. But what pimply journo is going to write about something as boring as how to grow the economy and turn us into a first world nation?

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  107. tvb (4,210 comments) says:

    Act should be leading the economic debate but instead they focus on this. It is racist. Brash is trying to make Maori the new jews in these hard economic times.

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  108. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay oh dear the mind boggles, General Brash leading a very small army of ACT warriors going to sort the hories out.
    To make it a fair scrap we will leave Hone to take care of them on his own.
    Brash charging into battle patu in hand, fuck they might win with all the hories pissing themselves with laughter.

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  109. Fox (202 comments) says:

    I think it’s a great ad, if for no other reason than reminding people of that which deep down inside they’ve probably already come to realise; the so-called ‘centre right’ National party really is nothing more than Labour in drag. And an ugly drag costume it is.
    The amusing thing about reading the comments above is that many people seem to have this backward idea that any given political party is only capable of focusing on one issue at a time. If that really is your argument, then I suggest you worry more about your own intellect, rather than question the intellect of those within the ACT party.
    In response to the question “why focus on discriminatory Maori issues rather than CGT”, my reply would simply be; “why not focus on BOTH, amongst a myriad of other issues?”. In the coming months I would like to think voters can look forward to ACT doing exactly that.

    Just on the side, what exactly is there to be gained by spending so much time/effort on the CGT proposal? I mean, effectively we’re talking about an issue that is hardly keeping New Zealanders up at night, made by a party that according to the latest polls doesn’t have a hope in hell of even coming close to a position of being able to implement it.

    Add to that the fact that the battlelines on CGT have already been drawn, between the bitter and angry ‘have nots’ who vote Labour by default and would happily go along with any tax scheme they come up with, and the majority of New Zealanders, who understand that slamming people with more and more taxes isn’t going to do anything to lift the fortunes of this country as a whole, and already tend to lean to the right in their voting preferences.

    It all seems a bit senseless to me….

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  110. Elaycee (4,305 comments) says:

    “We should talk about Ranginui Walker another time. Elaycee might tell you off for being off topic.”

    Er… Ranginui Walker was interviewed on the radio about….. the ACT advertisement. So it is actually on topic, but dog whistling about some exhaustive report by some special interest group, isn’t….

    Jeez…

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  111. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    I know it’s just about impossible to interest the media in policy, with the odd exception like CGT. They’re mostly after scandal and sensation. It’s what mst people want – you see the same thing from hit rates from different sorts of blogs.

    Any party can have screes of policies, the public are more interested in how politicians are likely to behave and what they will actually do.

    It’s very tempting to do what’s necessary to attract attention – and it’s very risky, basically it’s a punt. It’s a very difficult punt for Act right now after the Brash takeover, that’s raised a lot of question marks about what Act’s priorities will be. This sort of sensation seeking can reinforce the public perception.

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  112. Ruth (178 comments) says:

    The thought of CGT may not be keeping many up at night, but the thought of being able to put good healthy food on the table is.

    Economics is what ACT should be addressing.No one cares about the vagaries of ‘race favoritism’ when they can’t afford a leg of lamb. ACT they are just singing to the choir who will already vote for them.

    Never thought I’d say it, but I think Brash will do worse than Hide.

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  113. reid (15,981 comments) says:

    ACT can never work with the Maori party because the Maori party does not support smaller government, reduced spending, lower taxes, fiscal responsibility, the divorce of government and special interest groups, free trade, etc.

    Kimble how can you justify that? Of course ACT can and should work with the MP. Isolate the issue of the seats and nothing else is insurmountable. Yes, that is, but isolate that, and you have a perfectly workable negotiating platform.

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  114. KH (688 comments) says:

    ……………DPF says “I would have thought ACT would be focusing more on Labour’s proposed capital gains tax, but eaach to their own.” Well maybe – but Labour is so irrelevant – And the CGt has been seen by many simply as Labour trying to come up with a policy -any policy – but reinforcing rather than reducing their irrelevant image.

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  115. James (1,338 comments) says:

    Act should be leading the economic debate but instead they focus on this. It is racist. Brash is trying to make Maori the new jews in these hard economic times.

    I don’t know any occasion of anti-Semitism where Jews and Jewish culture were held up by the state as a special treasure and was accorded more respect and rights than the predominating non Jewish culture…Maori are not being repressed by the state,they are in fact being over indulged.

    The Maori issue is but one strand among many others ACT can work on….wait to see what else comes up rather than getting all hysterical over this.

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  116. John Ansell (861 comments) says:

    Exactly James, exactly.

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  117. reid (15,981 comments) says:

    Maori are not being repressed by the state,they are in fact being over indulged.

    Yes but they have been at one point in the past James and that lasted for quite a few generations and that burns an imprint onto a people that cannot ever be erased and you see it wherever an indigenous population has been overrun by another. Sometimes it’s extreme as in Israel and sometimes it’s mild as in here.

    Some, perhaps most nations don’t have this history, they have populations that grew up where they still live and almost all of Europe except in places like Yugoslavia, in Japan and the whole of Asia, across Russia and the far east it’s like that so you see, it’s really only the colonialists that did this.

    These days we wouldn’t dream of it, of course, but that was then, this is now.

    This is the spectrum upon which this debate revolves and quite frankly, I’m quite over it. I think everything that needs to be said has been said. Not everything that needs to be done has been done but there are processes in place right now that scratch every little itch apart from local-body Maori representation so I can’t see any more itches apart from that which need to be publicised and focused upon in public fora, myself. All injustice is well known. All problems exposed, considered, resolution is underway. If not, why not, in this country of ours in 2011.

    So this being the case, I personally see no logical reason why this shouldn’t all just fade away into the background while we, Maori and the rest, all work to improve our collective lives by giving as much as possible to others as we are capable of giving.

    This is, ironically, both the ACT party’s and the Maori party’s promise to their base.

    But this will never happen, for nothing is more vigorously defended than a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction and ACT have a vested interest in appearing to be constitutionally neutral as such appeals to their wealthy base and the MP have a vested interest in painting economic conservatives as evil vandals seeking to steal from the poor and dispossessed and not only that but they hate you for being Maori, as well.

    What ACT should do, IMO, is continue their policy of one law for all in terms of things like: it HAS to be acknowledged that it is, full and final. Force Maori to acknowledge that, officially and publicly. Another thing it should do is a 180 in terms of the seats, and support in full the MP position on that, in every way. It is in fact, the correct thing to do from a human rights perspective since they are tangata whenua and they won’t get adequate representation if they are only in the general pool and we as a colonial society are by definition unique from most of the world and therefore different rules apply to our democracy than to the others who don’t have that history.

    If ACT did that, I believe it is in accordance with its core principles and would be a game changer in the political landscape.

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  118. yesjg (43 comments) says:

    I think that Dr Brash has aimed this ad to a very specific audience and that Nick K with his 2.21 pm message is on the right track.

    According to the latest poll 2.24% of those polled intend voting for New Zealand First even though most of them will know that they are wasting their vote. Now they have an alternative who they trust and who is making statements that they agree with. They know that all things being equal ACT will win the Epsom seat and have representation in Parliament, so by voting for ACT they will help get people elected who support the same things as themselves. Not only that they also know that in Dr Brash ACT have a leader who is not afraid of speaking out on issues that concern him.

    If ACT can convince say 50% of potential New Zealand First voters to vote for them then they have increased their voting base by 50%, which is by any standard a pretty good return for the cost of an ad.

    Yesjg

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  119. digbyp (1 comment) says:

    Seems to me that the fundamental issue is always “apartheid.” Everyone seems to agree that we should all be equal in law, but when it comes to Maori getting “special privileges” many get scared and find pathetic excuses to justify outrageous scenarios. Love the advert (of course!)

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  120. reid (15,981 comments) says:

    Very good observation yesjg. I find it hard to comprehend the demo which potentially floats between ACT and NZF but you’re right, they must be there, like some deep sea denizens passing in the night…

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  121. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    Yesjg – you need to factor in how many potential voters this approach may turn away from Act.

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  122. Inventory2 (10,120 comments) says:

    I’d always been under the impression that Don Brash was a former Governor of the Reserve Bank, not the Race Relations Conciliator. Surely, Act’s first focus should be economic policy.

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  123. reid (15,981 comments) says:

    …you need to factor in how many potential voters this approach may turn away from Act.

    Pete, I reckon they have calculated and their conclusion is zero.

    Anyone who gets turned away from ACT by this, already turned away from ACT possibly a long time ago, possibly recently, who cares: relevance is: they’re not open to the message.

    Therefore, no downside, who knows what upside.

    Thing about it is: it splashes, big. It announces ACT. It’s the emotive pull, on the same level as Tindall uses with his “The Warehouse, The Warehouse, Where everyone gets a bargain” slogan and his black on red Warehouses (Red on black is so far the most evocatively emotive colour combination found).

    Political marketing doesn’t work if you’re just putting lipstick on a pig however, and if ACT doesn’t get that, it doesn’t deserve to be in Parliament. I think some elements of your OneNZ approach might benefit these people. Not that I imagine, they’ll agree.

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  124. James (1,338 comments) says:

    ACT can and should have many irons in the policy fire….one issue party’s are jokes.The economy’s already well taken care of by Brash so there’s no reason not to widen the scope and appeal to many more voters than those solely focused on dollars and cents.One law for all is a Capitalist ,free market principle and so is not in any conflict with economics in the same FM vain.

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  125. John Ansell (861 comments) says:

    In the recent Don Brash v Hone Harawira debate on Close Up, Mark Sainsbury asked Don: “Are Maori special?”

    Don replied, “No.”

    I thought that was a rather dangerous response, considering he no doubt really meant “no more special than anyone else.”

    But the next night, 81% of 40,000 viewers paid 75 cents to agree with his statement.

    And people say there’s no volcano of rage about the Maorification of Everything.

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  126. PaulL (5,878 comments) says:

    So for me, I agree with the content – in that Maori should be equal with everyone else, and some of the stupid crap that goes on with Maori consultation should go away.

    But I disagree totally with the direction ACT is taking, and I don’t think I’ll be voting for them again. I sent an e-mail to Lindsay Perigo about this the other day, when one of his inane media releases came out.

    I voted for ACT because they had vision around the economy, and on individual rights their general philosophy was to get government out of people’s lives. The economic stuff was more important, the individual rights stuff was my preference, but wasn’t deciding my vote.

    Now, they’ve become populist and single issue driven, and the issues they’re chasing aren’t important to me. Defending a guy who said some clearly stupid stuff about women’s health in the name of individual rights is just stupid. The guy deserved to get fired, and nobody who is a public spokesman for an organisation has a right to not get fired when you say something stupid _in the name of that organisation_. They’ve completely lost any judgment.

    I was annoyed when Brash rolled Hide, but I figured I’d give him a go and see. What he’s done is to turn the party over to Perigo. And that’s about the dumbest thing anyone could do – the guy has no common sense.

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  127. Other_Andy (2,327 comments) says:

    “Are Maori special?” – no
    “Is Maori culture – language special?” – yes

    Most people don’t – can’t make that distinction.

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  128. DJP6-25 (1,275 comments) says:

    Tom Hunter 11:29. Your ideas are good. I think they’re saying ‘we won’t pander to the racists under any circumstances’. Once that idea is established in the public mind, then ACT can say the following. If separate health and education are goood for Maori, then they’re good for everyone, as individuals. Leave the racist policies to the socialists where they belong.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  129. reid (15,981 comments) says:

    I thought that was a rather dangerous response, considering he no doubt really meant “no more special than anyone else.”

    But the next night, 81% of 40,000 viewers paid 75 cents to agree with his statement.

    And people say there’s no volcano of rage about the Maorification of Everything.

    JA producing a volcano was your clear and present objective but my question is: why? When you could have achieved a similar-sized splash without the potential downside which I accept is probably zero.

    My point is, why freeze the negatives into stasis. Why not keep them alive, even if only in order to experiment?

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  130. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    John Ansell

    I think you’ve referred to that Close Up poll a couple of times. Di it give you some comfort? 81% of 40,000 viewers. Does that mean that about one in every three ACT voters watches Close Up?

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  131. Steve Wrathall (243 comments) says:

    So why does the DomPost believe it has the right to pre-screen what opinions it thinks its readers should hear? Don made just this point at the ACT Central Conference today:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_oFNk8My0
    As well as many economic ones.

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  132. kingofthejuice (5,896 comments) says:

    @Fox (46) Says:
    July 9th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
    “I think it’s a great ad, if for no other reason than reminding people of that which deep down inside they’ve probably already come to realise; the so-called ‘centre right’ National party really is nothing more than Labour in drag. And an ugly drag costume it is.”

    Consistent polling above 50% says you’re wrong.

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  133. Fletch (6,032 comments) says:

    I might vote for them this time. Have always voted National, but I’m not liking where Jonky is going, with the foreshore and seabed thing, smacking law, ETS, now euthanasia. I might try ACT (after looking into their actual policies of course). If I don’t like what they’re doing either, then I don’t know that I’ll vote for anyone…

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  134. tom hunter (4,436 comments) says:

    David

    Thanks. Don’t think they’re going to take my advice though. There’s a volcano that needs the top ripping off.

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  135. John Ansell (861 comments) says:

    Bollocks PaulL, you’re better than that.

    It’s nuts to say ACT is a single issue party just because it talks about this issue in early July. Pull yourself together, man.

    It’s also nuts to expect us to believe that you won’t be voting ACT because you care about the economy and ACT is currently talking about the indulgence of Maori.

    Who the hell else do you expect us to believe you’ll be voting for that cares about the economy – National??

    Paul, when you’ve calmed down from this jolt – and this ad was designed to jolt – you’ll see that there’s plenty of time for ACT to impress you with its core policies.

    But it also needs to get back in the game. Talking about Labour’s capital gains tax won’t do that because our braindead media don’t give two stuffs what Don Brash has to say about economics.

    If they were, TV One or 3 would invite Don to debate Key or English, and of course he’d monster them. But do they? No.

    The mad buggers just don’t see a debate on how we run the country, involving the leader best qualified to run it, as worth having.

    Or maybe they haven’t thought of it yet. In which case, they should.

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  136. kowtow (7,656 comments) says:

    It works for me.

    National have dropped the ball on separatism which seems to increase daily and taxpayers are funding it.

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  137. wreck1080 (3,736 comments) says:

    I reckon the Maori elite do not want the lesser Maoris to succeed. If the lesser maori became educated they may question the baubles and other riches being doled out to the maori elite and demand a fair share. The Maoris at the top seem to be as greedy as can be.just look what happened to prior handouts.the only money many tribal Maoris saw was 5$ an hour for cleaning the floors or gutting the fish.

    I think this is the real injustice to Maori which is worse than the white man ever did to them.

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  138. Mick Mac (1,091 comments) says:

    John Ansell (756) Says:
    July 9th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    You are correct.
    Sure it could have been shorter but it is early days and part of a process.
    Looking forward to the next ones.
    I won’t give my party vote to National whilst I am still a criminal.
    Whereas Labour shouldn’t be let near a fruit machine let alone parliament and those who vote for them need deporting to protect the rest of us.

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  139. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    ….and this ad was designed to jolt……

    Na, it was just crap John, for starters badly put together, the Act logo is added as an after thought. The first thing you notice is the flag of the ‘so called enemy. ( Which totally off topic is one of the great designs) the tone of the article is “Truth” utter rubbish.

    Not one of the list of “things” listed in the “ad” have anything to do with any radicalism.
    Not one of the “things” on the list were done in anyway that is in the least illegal.
    Nothing radical there, didn’t see any storming of the barricades, nothing.

    Then the last part of the “ad” goes on about several things that are planned or proposed or recommended. Very old hat i.e. attempt to place fear into those who are insecure and uninformed.

    I have always thought ACT were better than this but nothing I have seen in the last year gives me any hope for them and I am getting a sneaky feeling that many previous ACT supporters are feeling just a bit worried.

    Rolling Rod seemed like a good idea at the time I bet but lately , don’t know. There is certainly no guarantee of Epsom like there would have been

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  140. big bruv (13,334 comments) says:

    Some of you need to listen to what Mr Ansell has to say.

    While many of you are dead right about wanting ACT to push sound economic policy the facts are that most Kiwis would not even know what ACT are talking about.

    Pushing sensible policy and attempting to drown the voting public with logic will not work, it has never worked before so why the hell would it work now.

    This election is vital for the future of our nation, we simply cannot let Neville Key and he Nat’s keep going along as they are.

    ACT are right to focus on this issue, it is a vote winner, yes it might be unsavoury for some of the more liberal among you but that is tough fucking luck, Labour and the Greens campaign on emotive issues everytime we have an election, hell, the Nat’s do the same, remember the shit Key told us about this being a better place under the Nat’s?……well what the fuck happened to that plan?….even a brain dead cheer leader like Adolf cannot seriously defend Neville Key and the Nat’s performance over the last three years.

    Nope, ACT need votes, they need votes from across the sepctrum and this style of campainging will see them grow their support to a level which means that Neville Key and the Nat’s will have no bloody option but to listen to what ACT have to say.

    If it means we get rid of that moron English then it has to be a good thing, imagine a strong ACT party….no English, No Nick Smith and no Finlayson.

    Hell, I might even vote for ACT if Cactus Kate is not a candidate.

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  141. dog_eat_dog (743 comments) says:

    Big Bruv – being the loudest in the room doesn’t make you the smartest. I’m with Paul E. ACT need to be smarter, everyone else makes themselves look stupid enough without ACT joining in.

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  142. pesimist (4 comments) says:

    Act has my vote. Truth is hard to swallow . Of course it is a economy issue as with cutting frivolous Maris claim at least half a billion dollars can be saved each year . Half a billion is not economy ???

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  143. fatboy slim (77 comments) says:

    Haha big bruv hates the Crusaders for racism tactics but likes the Act add. Clearly he has a large loose screw. What a plonker.

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  144. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    PaulL said…
    the guy has no common sense

    What’s commonsense in politics? There is none today.

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  145. Manolo (13,402 comments) says:

    National have dropped the ball on separatism which seems to increase daily and taxpayers are funding it.

    And no one else is more guilty of it than smile-and-wave Neville Key. Spineless supreme.

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  146. big bruv (13,334 comments) says:

    D4J…you know you are not allowed to play in this room.

    Now run along before I am forced to tell DPF.

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  147. fatboy slim (77 comments) says:

    Haha how wrong you are, you stupid fool.

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  148. big bruv (13,334 comments) says:

    Oh sorry about that Fatboy, how silly of my to confuse you with that deranged moron D4J.

    I take it you have read some of the crap he has posted on the net?

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  149. RandySavage (196 comments) says:

    useless irrelevant c**ts. Like a an athritic elderly gent all hooped up on herbal ignite pills praying for lightning to strike twice. Dont forget Mr Burns desperately humping the Maori partys leg after the last election

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  150. fatboy slim (77 comments) says:

    big bruv and nits – I couldn’t care about who the hell D4J is, unlike you.I am NOT HIM.Is everybody that dares challenge your mental stability labelled a D4J. Grow up, you silly immature prick. Have you got that in your thick skull. FFs. What I find rather unusual is your high horse attitude. You disgust me and my friends.

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  151. reid (15,981 comments) says:

    But it also needs to get back in the game. Talking about Labour’s capital gains tax won’t do that because our braindead media don’t give two stuffs what Don Brash has to say about economics.

    If they were, TV One or 3 would invite Don to debate Key or English, and of course he’d monster them. But do they? No.

    Which is why ACT employs like you John who can cut through.

    My point is this: your technique achieves that regardless of message therefore: one is free to choose the message, strategically.

    I just don’t think the first choice of message is the best possible one to have chosen, as number one off the launch pad.

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  152. CharlieBrown (910 comments) says:

    PaulL – One would think you support maori seperatism.

    Don Brash and ACT have been very vocal about all the other socialist policies National has or has proposed to implement, its just that the media are to stupid to understand the content and give it much profile. A headline about ACT’s policy on racist government (probably skewed in a negative light) is much more attractive for the media to pick up and will hopefully garner more votes for ACT.

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  153. RandySavage (196 comments) says:

    Brash is a one trick pony and a man that sticks knives in his best mates backs, because he still wakes up in a lather over the reaction all those years ago to that one useless speech he gave in Orewa. The reality is most of us (under the age of 35) have moved on and arent interested in anything an old dinosaur like him has to offer, hell in a couple of years he will be pushing a walking frame around in his incontinence pants. He might win a debate or two on economics but in reality he struggles to appear human and has the charisma of a wet towel. The most animated I ever saw him was when he got mud thrown in his face in Waitangi and even then he looked to have about as much spine as a cup of yoghurt

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  154. Tauhei Notts (1,613 comments) says:

    There are two things I want;
    1. The Reds to lose.
    2. Act to get more than 15% in the next election.
    I am unsure that newspaper advertising is the right medium to use to boost the Party’s attractiveness. Newspaper readers like me, are a decreasing breed. Somehow the Party must find other media in which they can get their message across. The great unwashed big voting bloc do not read newspapers. TV One and two and three are their source of information. The plethora of adverts thereon drive me to distraction ( a euphemism for “increase my consumption of Captain Morgan”), but they have huge audiences. That figure about 40,000 paying 75 cents each to say how good Brash was doing is a telling statistic. Somebody earlier stated that they thought that almost all Act voters watched Sainsbury & Co. As a long time Act devotee I can say that I find his programme infantile, but accept that many many many people love it.
    This advert will get heaps of nasty comment on National Socialist Radio. Brash would be wise to ignore that. But there will be plenty of it. National Socialist Radio is there for people with their snouts deep in the taxpayers’ trough and Louise Wall and her very very close friends. It is becoming an irrelevancy. But more particularly it is becoming an irrelevancy to that vast voting block; the volcano that was mentioned earlier.

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  155. James (1,338 comments) says:

    If you aren’t voting ACT you are in effect voting Labour…..don’t like that? Tough shit you cowardly sell out surrender monkeys.

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  156. big bruv (13,334 comments) says:

    Fatboy

    You have friends?

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  157. PaulL (5,878 comments) says:

    John Ansell: no, I’m not being unreasonable. And it’s not just this one ad. I get all the media releases, and the tone has changed dramatically since Brash, and then Perigo. Nothing that I’ve seen come out recently reflects a party I want to vote for. Sure, if that’s getting votes somewhere else, then go for it. It won’t get my vote, in fact it will lose it.

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  158. mistywindow (27 comments) says:

    They’ve totally lost the plot. Just as the Greens lose huge numbers of potential supporters by wandering off into the socialist wilderness, Brash is alienating those who considered the party well rid of Rodney Hide and could see some hope for sound economic reform.

    But we’ve got lunacy.

    Brash knows his economics but he’s never going to put his ideas into practise because he’s politically unbelievably naive. He’s blown it. He also thinks climate change is a load of bollocks because his Aussie mate the physicist said so.

    The man’s an idiot.

    Abandon hope all ye who entertained it.

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  159. reid (15,981 comments) says:

    The man’s an idiot.

    He’s far from that misty.

    Very far indeed.

    You see, to potential ACT floaters, who number in the mid 100k’s, Brash’s message carries none of the racist memes the MSM attempts desperately almost hysterically, to attach to it on the way though. This is cause ACT’s base sees straight through said memes.

    This is why ACT doesn’t care, about you, mistywindow.

    Disclaimer: I’m interpolating what ACT might think, were I in ACT. Since I’m not, I’m making up aforesaid stuff.

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  160. CharlieBrown (910 comments) says:

    PaulL – the reason the tone has changed since brash got in is because ACT was silent before he came in, at least they have a tone. BTW – did you not read his letter to John Key, did you not read the 2025 taskforce recommendations?

    This ad seams like a scape goat for you, it really seems like you are one for personality politics rather than policy… you don’t like Don brash so you want a reason to not vote ACT and instead vote for John Two-faced spineless Key. If you genuinely believed in sound economics you would wait for more releases – for goodness sakes, we still have about 4 or 5 months to go before the election. Fair enough if in three months time we see nothing else in the way of arguing for better and fairer economic policy and less government, then we can genuinely criticize ACT for not sticking to the issues.

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  161. Other_Andy (2,327 comments) says:

    Hello mistywindow.
    Didn’t you get the memo?
    Climate change is now called “global climate disruption”.
    That is of course until they find a ‘punchier’ name.

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  162. Fox (202 comments) says:

    @kingofthejuice (61) Says:
    July 9th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
    “Consistent polling above 50% says you’re wrong.”

    No. It says that ACT was doing such a lousy job with Rodney Hide as leader, that conservative voters felt they had nowhere else to go.

    I understand there are many commenters here who don’t really give two hoots about race based policy in this country. And, of course, that’s fair enough.
    However polling has consistently shown that many ordinary New Zealanders DO care, and do still hold on to the belief that one day New Zealand will be a country where everyone, no matter what your country of origin, skin colour, or race, will be seen as equals in the eyes of the law.

    With this ad the ACT party has simply decided to reach out to them. I really don’t see the problem with that.

    As for people harping on about ACT’s supposed lack of focus on economic policy; please point me to the press release in which they declared they shall henceforth be abandoning all economic policy in favour of their race policy. I must have missed it…..

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  163. reid (15,981 comments) says:

    However polling has consistently shown that many ordinary New Zealanders DO care, and do still hold on to the belief that one day New Zealand will be a country where everyone, no matter what your country of origin, skin colour, or race, will be seen as equals in the eyes of the law.

    And it’s not like that today how and where Fox? Suggest you dial 111 and let them take over.

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  164. Richard Hurst (757 comments) says:

    Elaycee (686) if the only place u get your info is a newspaper then your fucked, becuase in your case newspaper editors do decide what’s said. You sorry sod.

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  165. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    I had to check to make sure I am in the thread I thought – Boy, these threads meander!

    Anyway, for once, I’m pleased to say, I tend to agree with Tom Hunter. We need to break the cycle of dependency.

    As a first step, I suggest negotiating limited autonomy for Tuhoe. Negotiate a budget and responsibilities and let’em go to it.

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  166. Fairfacts Media (371 comments) says:

    How racist of Don Brash to want equality and one law for all!
    We need to remember when Don Brash gave a similar message in Orewa, he catapulted National above Liarbour in the polls.
    It was only a few weeks and months ago that there was much angst about the Marine and Coastal Bill.
    Act is trying to tap into the public sentiment over that issue.
    Of course, the ad could have been worded better. The party will certainly need the short, snappy ads John Ansell delivered in the past.
    It is early days in the campaign. There is still plenty of time for ACT to focus on the economy.

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  167. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Minister of immigration wont appear on the programme “The nation”

    National have to do better – its election year – they have to front foot the issues.

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  168. LC (162 comments) says:

    I’ll bring this advt to the attention of my mates who may not have seen it. For us poor hard working souls, this is a breath of fresh air. Looks like ACT will get some party votes from this (poor National will lose some).

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  169. starboard (2,479 comments) says:

    Huruld this morn…

    The marketing guru behind the Iwi/Kiwi billboards and the new Act Party adverts has attacked “white cowards” for not standing up against the “Maorification” of the country.
    Act Party creative director John Ansell said Maori were taking advantage of New Zealand’s fear of appearing racist and he wanted the Act Party to speak out.
    He said: “These guys (Maori) have gone from the stone age to the space age in 150 years and haven’t said thanks. That’s the nature of the thing. In Maori world, if one tribe conquers another you eat the guys eyeballs. The Brits were pretty civilised by that standard.”

    Beautiful.

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  170. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    …and haven’t said thanks..

    And people called for the head of Thompson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    What a wanker.

    Is he deliberately trying to drive party votes like mine away? ( Succeded)

    I commented last night that I would expect something better from ACT but obviously its bottom dweller time again lead from the top of the party

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  171. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    starboard

    I didn’t realise the John Ansell making those potty arguments on this thread yesterday was actually the ‘marketing guru’ behind the ad. Beautiful!

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  172. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Paul

    I noted yesterday that for a party founded as economic rationalists, ACT have wasted any political capital on a succession of losing, marginalised causes – ‘perk busting’, ‘lock ‘em up longer’, etc. Maori bashing is just their latest fad. What’s next, will it be ‘ban the burqa’ or ‘no more Asian immigration’?

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  173. Elaycee (4,305 comments) says:

    @Richard Hurst – In response you your claim: “Newspapers don’t decide what can and can’t be said”, I stated :” If you think for a minute that the ‘editorial pen’ doesn’t exercise any influence, then you are either delusional or you are on some serious medication.” Now you come back with: “if the only place u get your info is a newspaper then your fucked, becuase in your case newspaper editors do decide what’s said. You sorry sod.”

    Don’t be daft. I responded to your initial claim. Now you rush off on a tangent.

    The point was that the media in NZ decides what is being discussed or not – just look at Whale’s expose on Labour’s breaches of the Electoral Act. Had that been National or Act, it would have been a lead item on TV and front page in the print media by now. Why? Because they pick up items from each other that they deem to be of ‘interest’ and are aligned with their own political motivations. Only a blind, deaf automaton would argue against the suggestion that the MSM in NZ is strongly biased in favour of the left. That was my point.

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  174. starboard (2,479 comments) says:

    oohh the lefty socialist handwringing sickly white idiots are out in force…you should all be hung..John Ansell , sir , you are a bloody legend for saying it like it is…we are sick of it. Good man.

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  175. mikenmild (10,766 comments) says:

    Actually, starboard, I’ve got a bit of time for ACt’s economic message. It is at least a cogent case, unlike their other policies which are just a mish-mash. If Brash really stuck up for his 2020 taskforce ideas, I think he would get traction from voters disappointed with National’s lack of oomph.

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  176. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    John Ansell is coming over like a white Hone i.e a dick

    Don’t include me in your generalisation”we” speak for yourself,

    If talking about eating eyeballs is what ACT has become, they are fucked.

    I wait for Don to come out in support of Ansell’s comments . Ansell is obviously now a party spokesperson so what he says will surely have to be sanctioned by the party

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  177. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Well Starboard sounds Johns got the arse.

    Even the party thought he was a wanker

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  178. CharlieBrown (910 comments) says:

    The dominion post has just proven that it is the media wing of the socialist parties. The herald at least disguises its national brown-nosing with skewered reporting, but the dominion flat out refusing a political ad, what a bunch of racist pussies.

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  179. Steve Parkes (24 comments) says:

    John Ansell,
    “What do the media care about policy? … What they care about is conflict,”

    And you’re giving them plenty of that, bud. Well done.

    James,
    “….wait to see what else comes up rather than getting all hysterical over this.”

    John Ansell is the one getting hysterical over this issue.
    ACT chose to make a big deal out of this, and now you’re whining that it’s receiving a lot of attention.

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  180. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    MAORIFICATION = POLYNIZATION

    Polynesian cultural colonization. You’re all getting Pasifikanized whether you like it or not. Welcome to the future assholes. Resistance is futile.

    Now line up quietly and orderly over here so I can tattoo your ID tag on your ignorant, cave dwelling, sloping brows. I think we’ll start off with all you chickenshit ex pat saffa muthafuckas the ACT party ad is pandering to.

    BWAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA…scatter bitches

    [DPF: 20 demerits trolling]

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