So much for a panel of undecided voters
November 21st, 2011 at 8:04 pm by David FarrarThe panel/studio worm has been pretty consistent all night. If Phil Goff says anything it goes up. I joked on Twitter that Goff could confess to the Crewe murders and the panel worm would go up.
I wondered why, as this was meant to be a panel of undecided voters.
Then I saw this tweet from John Kingi, about being a worm panelist. A couple of friends of his seem to be there also.
Now John Kingi is a vocal Labour Party activist. He is about as undecided a voter as Phil Goff is.
TV3 have had their panel infiltrated by one or more Labour activists. Either TV3 failed to ask people if they were genuinely undecided voters, or they were lied to. I hope the media investigate this thorougly before reporting on the results of the worm.
UPDATE: And looks like a second panelist is a Labour voter – see here.
UPDATE2: I have a report of a third panel member (and remember there were only 65 and they are meant to all be undecided) who tutors at Auck Uni politics and has publicly declared she is a Green voter and supporter.
UPDATE3: And we have a third Labour person identified. There may be a fourth.
So also Nive Sharat there, and if we check her out.
This is a major credibility blow to the panel/studio worm.
UPDATE: John Kingi phoned and e-mailed me to say that he in no way misrepresented himself to those selecting the panel, and I take him at his word. His e-mail:
In regards to your post on Kiwiblog, it is implied that myself, amongst others, somehow “inflitrated” the TV3 panel. This is simply not true. I have not been a Labour Party member for some time, and the page you linked from Grassroots Labour was one I haven’t seen or used in over two years. The picture you paint is not an accurate reflection of my current political position. The questions raised in the selection of the panel included:
Who did you vote for at the last election? My answer: Labour
Who do you plan to vote for at this election? My answer: Undecided, but definitely on the centre left.
Amongst other gender/age/electorate questions. I at no point lied about my political positions or intentions and I gave Key and Goff equal treatment in my response to the debate. In fact I even voted that Key actually won the debate in my view at the end! I hope that with the full facts established, you can clarify on your blog.
I chatted with John and he also confirmed to me that he was not undecided between a centre-right and centre-left party, but between parties of the centre-left. I do not believe this is how the panel was sold. As I said before the debate even begun they would have been better to use “swinging” voters, ie those who have previously voted both CL and CR.
I understand Clint Woolly has also said he is undecided, however it is his own tweet where he describes himself as a Labour voter.
Back to John, I stand my my point that I don’t think someone who was so passionate about their political beliefs that until recently they were an activist for political party, is suitable to be a panelists of “undecided voters”. Take the photo below of John:
This is obviously taken since the last election, and I suspect since Jacinda moved to Auckland which makes it even more recent. I don’t think having once been a political activist for a political party means you can never be seen as “undecided”, even decades later. But at a minimum I don’t regard such activism (and membership) within the same parliamentary term as being compatible with being on a panel which is portrayed to the public as “undecided voters”. I once voted Labour, but that doesn’t make me a swinging voter.
Tags: John Kingi, Media, The Worm, TV3
November 21st, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Let’s be real David, TV3 probably sent Labour HQ a packet of invites.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:20 pm
I installed it, watched for 5 minutes, realised it was pointless, uninstalled and switched channels.
Vote:That’s 5 minutes tv3 doesn’t normally get from me but at least I know better now.
November 21st, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Yup, very poor selection of “undecideds” by Roy Morgan. Thing is, it will backfire on Labour, because Kiwis are basically fair minded when it comes to blatant cheating.
At least Winston is universally mistrusted, even to a red worm.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:22 pm
I’d say it was the third option. Mates of the journos get invited.
Everyone here knows what’s going to happen. It doesn’t need to be said.
Let’s just say: don’t watch your TV with anything nearby that you could throw at it and break it for the next 5 days.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:24 pm
That clintyminty link seemed to suggest he was defending National. So at least someone with an open mind? Probably not the link I’d have chosen to prove the conspiracy.
The reality is that the worm has always been stupid. This election you’re telling us that incumbents take a beating on the worm, but I’m pretty sure last election there was a different story about why the worm is biased against National.
I think the reality is that when they’re working badly, worms tend to favour the left (people on the left tend to have more time/inclination to go infiltrating these things). And when they’re working well, you end up with a bunch of people with little knowledge of politics, who like the mindless platitudes of the left (“increase the minimum wage, everyone’s wages will go up”) rather than the bitter reality pills from the right (“a country can only get wealthy by increasing productivity, you can’t just vote yourself pay rises”). So the position is correct, but the depiction of it is a bit dodgy.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:37 pm
But when Goff said “I trust Winston Peters” the worm went DOOOOOOWWWWNNN. It was hilarious, it was like a stone, it was like a meteorite burning up on atmospheric entry. … Is it possible Peters was responsible for the Crewe murders? Where was he that day I wonder.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Looks like National’s strategists are panicking, the gereatric arm of National is capitulating in Epsom, and Key is refocusing his sights on Winston.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Could TV3 be charged with perverting the natural course of an election leaders debate by colluding with Labour activist implants,or in fact making it happen that way in a conspiratol fashion.Wonder how the legal eagles would see it .I suspect that John Key was ambushed by the taxpayer funded TV3.Labour and TV3 what an alleged web they have weaved when they set out to deceive the viewing tv viewer.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:41 pm
It doesn’t matter in the slightest how well Goff did in any other part of the debate.
The decisive point was when Goff was confronted with the Winston Peters spectre. The panelists did not like in one bit the prospect of a government held to the whim of Winston Peters. That is what will make undecided voters choose National.
On that basis alone, Key won the debate.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:44 pm
It was slightly better fun than the comedy channel.
Why did Joyce bail out mediaworks again?
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:44 pm
I am afraid Goof did to Key what Key did to Clark in 2008. He won hands down.
Vote:Like I have been saying for 2 weeks now I reckon Goff will be the next PM.
Winston will get 5% and will weasel out of the being in the cross benches.
November 21st, 2011 at 8:45 pm
“Let’s just say: don’t watch your TV with anything nearby that you could throw at it and break it for the next 5 days.”
Watching TV One is always an option…
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:45 pm
I’d say it was the third option. Mates of the journos get invited.
Yes I agree tristan, good thinking.
I imagine Campbell and Forbes could put together the entire “undecided” audience just between their associates let alone anyone else in the
propagandanews room.Hooten says on Politics RNZ today 23:40 mins in, that afterward the Nats found out the audience was skewed.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2503038/politics-with-matthew-hooton-and-john-pagani.asx
As I said on Whale earlier and others have above as well, just precisely what did one expect, at that venue, with that host?
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:48 pm
The panel is stacked with Labour voters? and anyoen is surprised by that. I am just surprised that Key agreed to do it with the stupid worm thing anyway. It is meaningless and stupid. All you have to do is say bunnies are cute and it will go up.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Yeah, and there were probably a few committed Nats and Greens there too. So what – people play the game on this stuff, and the channel just has to take them at their word. Probably all evens out in the end.
The thing that pissed me off more was TV3 engaging that bigoted shit Paul Henry as a commentator. FFS, they may as well have had Lhaws! These are not the people you need if you actually want intelligent and unbiased analysis.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Lazybum
I’d suggest you put your money where your mouth is, contact the blog owner with a suggestion of a donation to a charity of his choice if you are wrong or other you are just another fucking troll. Looking forward to your wager with anticipation.
Toad
Who would you suggest seriously?
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Sorry that quote was from:
http://www.medialawjournal.co.nz/?p=171
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:50 pm
For the first half Goff looked relaxed and confident and came across well, albeith with general statements and no actual solutions, and came across well. And Key looked uncomfortable.
The Winston reality check switched this around, Goff closed back on uninspiring autopilot, and Key closed looking and sounding like he’d won where it counted.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:50 pm
“with that host?”
I haven’t watch TV3 since the 2008 elections till tonight.
I’m sure the strange little creeps eyes have moved an inch closer together since then.
It can’t be an optical illusion. I up sized from a forty two inch since 2008.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Yunno David, as Bill Gates said, “Life is just not fair!”
(I’m surprised the Nats didn’t think of it!)
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:53 pm
TV3 should have given you a call Toadie, if they wanted an unbiased, intelligent panellist.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:55 pm
“Like I have been saying for 2 weeks now I reckon Goff will be the next PM.”
You’d have more chance of winning Lotto than picking Goff to be the next PM.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:55 pm
I was initially dismayed to see Henry on the panel but I thought he contributed some good points about the debate, he can be perceptive and intelligent when he doesn’t play the goon.
Arsenau looked like she was on show, maybe hasn’t been on live for a while.
Garner was Garner – a couple of times he was openly derisive when United Future and Peter Dunne were mentioned, that explains his refusal to give balanced cover, instead happy to leak Peters recordings and use him to promote their agenda. I guess Dunne won’t play his games.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Yeah, and there were probably a few committed Nats and Greens there too. So what – people play the game on this stuff, and the channel just has to take them at their word. Probably all evens out in the end.
No toad once again this is execrable lefties fucking with our democracy. You can’t win clean so you try all sorts of filthy disgusting wicked dark undemocratic tactics which when viewed in totality shows all lefties up for the vile evil creatures they all in fact are.
Things like the baby brochure, the stickers, this. All lefty. All underhand. All anti-democratic as in specifically designed to implant falsehoods into people making a vital decision. You do this every election which is why you’re scum, if you only ever did it occasionally then fair enough but to lefty scum like you it’s a modus operandi. Some of you even appear proud of it.
The fact is toad what you lefties do with your deliberately under-the-radar subconscious manipulation tactics directed against various voters who are deciding, is strip those innocent poor downtrodden voters of the right to freely decide themselves. Instead you lefty scum come stomping into their emotions with your jackboots and spread poisonous lies like a viperous snake. You make me sick.
You name me a time on this campaign when conservatives did anything like the baby brochure, the stickers or this? We haven’t, we respect people. You don’t.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Pauleastbay – I am 2 ticking National and I am working in Helensville on Saturday as a driver and off to the Sky City function on Saturday night.
Vote:I am not a troll. At the last election I had lunch with John Key at the Kumeu Church.
But I have a horrible feeling about the outcome of the election from about 2-3 weeks ago.
Labour will scrape (with the emphasis on the word scrape) enough votes to form the next government.
It will be a larf watching what happens if this is the case though. Stable govt, yeah right, about as stable as Christchurch!
November 21st, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Pretty rubbish debate with all the questions from Campbell on Labours so called strong points. Nothing on the gst on veges, nothing on the cgt and having to work two years longer so millionaires get a ten buck a week tax cut. Have to say Key was not the winner and was quite polite, in a brash kind of a way, shame he wasn’t a bit more aggressive with Goff although when Goff starts groaning on most peoples minds start wandering to how they get the weeds out of their lawn etc.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:58 pm
They were probably defensive because they feel folically challenged when the name Dunne is mentioned Pete.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 8:59 pm
David – you are in the National party, get Mr Key saying it was a jackup at his next press conference! sheesh! let everybody know they were conned!
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Not since Hilary Barry’s smirk during the Mount Albert by-election in 2009 for me.
Johnboy, I think you got your prefixes mixed up there!
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:01 pm
As I have tweeted, TV3 have done nothing but treat the public with contempt for the last 2 weeks. Ironbridge (their owner) will be thrilled as their audience bleeds to TVNZ. One can only pray that this goes public.
Vote:This has to be the ugliest and nastiest election I can remember. I am disgusted.
November 21st, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Speaking as a millionaire Pongo, I am happy if you are happy to work two years longer to create more!
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Lazybum
Then grow a pair and toughen up, if Labour wins we no longer have a country , if you think some 30 year old journalists have had any effect in reality on the New Zealander voters that arseholed Clark you are probably not bright enough to tick the two boxes correctly
And its not a laugh, pricks like Peters treat our country as a laugh and as a means of income.
The people in the serious polls that show National at 50% plus are the ones who willl be voting on Saturday, they are the ones who are working and paying too much tax, alot of those polled for National are ex Labour voters, the intelligent ones. They know how utterly fucked we would be if there is a change of government.
There are too many scared buggers out there like you. Labour and Goff and are history, Peters is on a pension.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:06 pm
I’ve always had trouble with grammar Hurf. I blame it all on the Famous Grouse.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:08 pm
I’m with you Johnboy,I think I used to be for a while myself and I quite liked it and so Pongo get to work, vote National and stop whining
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:09 pm
I think Winston will poll between 5-10% John key will be sucking eggs.
Michelle Boag will be giving him a spanking.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Labour will scrape (with the emphasis on the word scrape) enough votes to form the next government.
They might if the media keep going like they are, Lazybum.
The Herald has a real hard-on for Key now and they won’t stop which underlines starkly their hopeless pretence as a serious rag but she has a lot of influence in the biggest party vote pool in the country especially during an election when for a few short weeks people even read as well as watch the telly to “be informed.” Huge. TVNZ is always left anyway, TV3 – well.
So this isn’t terribly good news, is it, really. Still, the MSM think the public are thick, which is their mistake, cause we’re not. Well, most of us aren’t.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Reid
You are starting to blink ,don’t, The herald is a truely awful newspaper, I cancelled my subscription 15 years ago and have really only ever read it when there was nothing else to hand.
The herald will not influence people at all, the polls have been superb. And I believe we have come through the last three years in pretty good shape, financially i took a big hit, but that was world wide, we have no influence over that stuff
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:16 pm
Yeah the peasants never realise how ephemeral millionaireship is these days PEB. It sounds a lot but it’s fuck all really.
Here today gone tomorrow. As long as a man can eat, drink and has a roof over his head whats the point of accumulating wealth.
Shrouds have no pockets and if you leave the children too much they cease to focus on earning for themselves.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:18 pm
Don’t blink reid.
Trust in G-d.
Truth will out!
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:21 pm
Even if TV3 made an editorial decision to be a centre-left broadcaster this election, but that doesn’t release them from an obligation to provide factual reporting of events. Claiming a panel of 65 are undecided voters but that has several Labour and Green Party supporters/activists among it is not factual reporting. Suspect TV3 will be covered in shit by this.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Toad, you obviously have the memory of a toad too.
Vote:Can’t you remember Garner and Campbell and co’s antics last week?
Teapot tapes – Intelligent and unbiased analysis.
Good one.
November 21st, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Wow so much hate for tv3 when it was not long ago that John Key got a whole hour on Radio Live to himself without having to answer any of those difficult questions about politics.
The worm may have been a farce, and earlier today it was those on the left (Pagani wrote a couple of short posts) who were calling it out. A negative statement was red while a positive one was blue/green. It also went left to right and there were the questions about whether those who owned smartphones was proportional enough to the general population.
All this aside, Goff clearly had the upper hand (Key did claw a little back on asset sales and towards the end). Goff got most of his points across clearly and concisely while John was left silent more than in previous debates.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:32 pm
“Suspect TV3 will be covered in shit by this.”
Suspect not Michael. Despite your fervour (admirable as it is) I suspect TV3 will just go on as normal with the strange little squinty eyed one and get bailed out of the shit again if required.
After all we couldn’t have just one TV station owned by the Government could we.
That would smack of totalitarianism and we couldn’t have that could we.
Not unless Goofy and Winnie and Russel and Hone and Pita and Peter (
) took over. Eh 
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Pauleastby – I can tick 3 boxes, Key/national/not MMP though.
Vote:I am intelligent enough, but I am afraid others are not.
FYI – I run a chemical company in NZ and I do have a hardened pair, been smelling too much superglue in my time:)
If Goof gets in I am ok, I will still have a $130K package and no debts, but I fear for most when benefits become too expensive for NZ to bear. If I lose myjob I have positions in Australia free to me to take tomorrow.
November 21st, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Emmess – Campbell tried to have Henry on early in the analysis section by asking after Henry called the debate for Key – is this not your political bias howling through Paul – seriously funny ROFL
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Labour = scum
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:38 pm
Well said RF.
Pond or Bathtub?
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Martyn Bradbury’s fallen for it. Then again, he never was very bright.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Michael:
Yeah, but watcha gonna do?
The media have already shown that they’re willing to spice up a campaign they considered too “boring” by secretly recording a conversation. They smear the Nats for weeks when JK takes it to the police. They don’t really care.
The maximum sentence is 2 years. No-one will be punished for this, except for maybe the dodgy cameraman, but he won’t get jail time. He’ll get a warning. (Which I guess is fair, considering you can punch a stranger in the face in this country and not get a custodial sentence.)
The media organisations need to be fined big-time. But this won’t happen. It will be considered government interference.
What needed to happen, was that John Key should have known not to appeared on this programme. It was predictably a bad move (as was meeting Brash).
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:42 pm
TV3 are a fuckin joke.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:43 pm
What’s your opinion on the merits of Superglue V Ados F2 Lazybum?
I prefer F2 round the rim of my whisky glass.
Its a little easier to remove the lips once the high is over.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:47 pm
DPF is there anything in this election that is not a conspiracy or plot against national?
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Given the heat that the National Government took for allowing Can West to pay their spectrum chrges by installments, I wonder if the minister might revisit that decision post election……..
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:53 pm
It seems to be an outbreak of Key Derangement Syndrome, Mark. Are you having hot flushes btw?
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Johnboy – superglue is a bit less suttle, made from polyacrylates IIRC, Ados is full of MEK solvent and tackifiers hence it is slower to set.
Vote:So, if you like to sip you beverage Ados is much better, if you prefer to skull, superglue is better as it keeps your lips sealed to the glass.
I am more knowledgeable on detergent products however, I find non ionic surfactants (Coconut fatty acid derived) give better head on beer than anionic surfactants such as SLES. What do you think?
November 21st, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Mark: I think David may gone to bed with a femme fatale from the green movement who was specially trained to take him off line just as serious, telling, questions from leftie activists such as you, Mark, overloaded KB.
I suggest you check in using Standard instructions regarding what you should do next.
I hope it isn’t “Bite down hard on capsule provided”.
The world will be a sadder place without fellows such as you.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:57 pm
1. Astroturfing blogs and newspaper comments – check
Vote:2. Disrupting other party’s meetings – check
3. Secret recordings of other party’s meetings – check
4. Third party campaigning – check
5. Defacing billboards – check
6. Ignoring electoral and council bylaws – check
7. Posting hateful messages or ‘artwork’ – check
And the latest……
8. Rigging election debates – check
November 21st, 2011 at 9:58 pm
On a brighter note the Spanish have elected a right of centre government to replace the Socialist Scum thay had before presiding over the joint.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:58 pm
I note Stuff’s blow by blow report mainly consists of how much the worm rose or dipped depending on the subject matter. How utterly tedious. The concept of the worm is politics of the lowest common denominator i.e turning politics into some entertainment charade.
Mind you I am not surprised that TV3 adopted this device. They would be the most lightweight tv station I have ever seen and their news looks like its been put together by students on their first day out of journalism school. Truly amateur.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:58 pm
I think the worm indicates reactions to positive or negative phrases, it’s not a score of the debate.
I thought Goff started much better, he looked relaxed and confident and performed accordingly. He got a bit uncomfortable being reminded of the Labour/Green history, and struggled with Winston, and then reverted to unconvincing recital for his closing.
For most of the debate Key looked uncomfortable and spoke lethargicly. He improved in the last part and the Winston segment seemed to lift him. He finished with a better close.
Scoring it on points over the whole debate Goff would come out on top.
But the critical part was on Winston and Goff didn’t have a credible response – he’s stuck needing Winston to have any chance of success although he wouldn’t admit it.
Because Goff couldn’t adequately deal with the Winston elephant in the room he didn’t succeed with this debate. Most people accept that Goff’s a nice guy and poor people deserve sympathy and help, but to look like an election winner you have to have options available that are acceptable to voters. On this Goff lost.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Goff was just talking shit through the whole thing and never spoke about policy other than raising minimum wage. He was all about attempting to create the image of the defender of poor and assets. He is useless.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 9:59 pm
On a brighter note the Spanish have elected a right of centre government to replace the Socialist Scum thay had before presiding over the joint.
Vote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/8903241/Spain-election-Conservatives-win-landslide-victory-but-new-PM-warns-there-will-be-no-miracles.html
November 21st, 2011 at 10:01 pm
ELF – Goof does not need to tell the truth, he needs to get elected.
Vote:Any lie will do to ensure this happens.
November 21st, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Wow so much hate for tv3
No it’s hate for lefties, steve. I don’t hate a big faceless corporation, I hate real lefties like the ones who organised this.
I just think they’re scum for denigrating the poor downtrodden voters who are influenced over this lefty contrived “undecided” panel.
I mean don’t get me wrong I don’t think it will have even 0.2% of effect on the final poll, it’s not a game breaker, but its coming on top of the other scummy tactics like the brochure. This took a lot of organising, it wasn’t simple to stack the deck here, wonder who did the selection? But the media won’t take that angle, except maybe one or two columnists, the pack will be endlessly – in slo-mo eventually, analysing the ups and downs. At least they’ll try to. Wipes the baby story straight off the front pages doesn’t it. That was planned too, wasn’t it.
This is what I mean. It’s actually democractic subversion, steve. You seem like you’re on that side of things. If you are, how can you sleep straight in bed, for it’s not honest debate, is it?
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:01 pm
No George Pete, the worm indicates left wing infiltrators and that’s about it. It was a stupid idea to do it.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Fuck I aint as Green as you LB.
Make my detergent from DDBSA, TEA, NaOH, Nonylphenyl Ethoxylate and Coconut Diethyanolamide.
Fuck the Greenies.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:10 pm
DPF – I encourage a deep breath followed by a bit of a lie down. Otherwise, pretty soon Phil Goff is going to start directing undecided voters to read your blog.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:12 pm
I feel fuckin guilty about the Nonylphenyl ethoxylate.
But what the hell the cost is low and the rivers and oceans are huge!
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Wow JB – you talk my launguage! Don’t worry, I love NPEs myself, bloody hard to replace with Lauryl alcohol drivatives. However, some of the branched tridecanol ethoxylate products are quite good and OECD 301B passed for biodegradability.
Vote:Do you sell DDBSA, Triethanolamine & CDE? If not I can supply these for you if you wish! Pity they do not clean away lefty scum.
November 21st, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Kerre Woodham just quoted this just now. Seems there has been a bit of radio debate on the biased worm.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:16 pm
If you consider that the worm stayed at roughly neutral during JK’s talking about asset sales, taking the activists out of the equation would have shown it well towards positive.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:16 pm
NPEs are an issue in EU and banned on textiles etc, still ok in NZ but the winds of change are upon us.
Vote:I am not a greenie either but you have to cater for the green based companies that are springing up all of the time.
Have you ever tried APGs, they are also good cleaners and based on sugars?
November 21st, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Nah I just buy them, mix the bastards up and flog them to the unsuspecting public who wash their dishes and flush them down the drain to pollute Gaia. Shit happens.
Come in toadie!
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Where are you based John, you may be a customer of mine!
Vote:Is Otahuhu/papatoetoe about right?
November 21st, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Shit mate I had enough trouble when they went to HF alkylbenzene.
That’s when I had to partially neutralise with TEA to solublise the sulphonate
Used NaOH till then.
Worked it out myself, the fuckin suppliers were useless!
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Do you have very compliant sheep in Otahuhu/Papatoe?
If so I could be tempted!
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Most LAB is mfg via HF these days, AlCl3 Freidel Kraft reation derived is old hat.
Vote:Hope I was not the supplier. as I am usually on top of the game.
You probably used Redox, they don’t know shit from clay as a rule:)
November 21st, 2011 at 10:30 pm
No sheep in Otahuhu, the old scourer closed down.
Vote:Forgot to add, TEA reduces freezing point of the detergent, but also lowers viscosity, there is always a tradeoff somewhere. It would have helped solve your problem. Also try urea, it also can help solubilise the solution, and is cheaper than TEA.
November 21st, 2011 at 10:35 pm
My flock is restless and I suspect off thread demerits pending LB!
How the fuck did “Undecided Voters” get to here?
Only on KB could freedom of expression be this free????
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:35 pm
One of the participants that you are talking about is on the Radio.
Vote:Passed a Panel Test and not a dedicated Labour voter, he has not added to his FB page in 2 years.
November 21st, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Have a goodnite John Boy, better get on thread.
Vote:Labour suck and are the party of Union scum and poofters.
November 21st, 2011 at 10:40 pm
John Kingi just said to Kerre that John Key won the debate. I’m speechless!
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Shit man you are tempting fate!!!!
Used Urea as a solubiliser, didn’t do the deed as we make low active stuff and need salt to thicken.
TEA works. stuck with that.
Now fuck off before the dreaded Penguin strikes.
Suggest you email him and ask for a “Formulation of Detergents” post.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Lazybum at 8.57 p.m.
Vote:That is a nightmarish thought that you put there.
November 21st, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Give Kingi his due, he did say that indeed. Maybe I saw it thru the wrong coloured glasses!!!
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:44 pm
It was the most annoying piece of television I have seen since the last time. Seeing a squiggly line go all over the place according to the amount of voltage Labour Party troops could muster distracted and made the whole thing pointless. Frankly, electrodes attached to testicles would have made for more fun than a repeat of a celebrity cook-off, which afterall, is what that “debate” was.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:45 pm
So massive win for National this Saturday. You can’t beat Manifest Destiny.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Johnboy – I though Happy Feet was a Happy Meal for a seal:) Hence we are safe?
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:51 pm
While Labour activists were busy rubbing their fingers back and forth on smartphone touchscreens, National supporters were busy delivering leaflets and surveying voters. I know, because that is exactly what my team and I were doing – as were our colleagues around the country.
One group was actually connecting with the electorate through one medium or another. The other? Well, you be the judge…
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Electrodes attached to testicles?
According to Goofy you would have to be a Rich Prick to afford the power bill after JK has fucked the world as we know it!
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Email James Murray, the Chief Editor of 3news.co.nz at jmurray@mediaworks.co.nz to ‘congratulate’ him on another successful Labour propaganda piece.
Vote:Just don’t mention he actually follows some of the Labour and Green activists on Twitter that were invited by email to join the ‘undecided’ voters’ panel.
A real journalistas….
November 21st, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Have you passed this post past Andy_Other before posting it Other_Andy.
One should always confer with ones family.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:04 pm
All above board Johnny boy.
Vote:Better half – check
Mother in law – check
November 21st, 2011 at 11:04 pm
I give up!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6008559/Phil-Goff-declared-winner-in-election-debate
By who! Not on the program I watched. A self confessed grass-roots laborite said differently.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:08 pm
The best way to beat the Left is to earn an enormous amount of money, and use it to promote good things in this country. That means living a life which says **** you to these people, and shaking up their pathetic institutions and showing their egregious lies for what they are. They have to be fought and beaten.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Yeah, but the conversation with the worm was private, as was the conversation with tv3 about their party allegiance so it can’t be reported as biased
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:09 pm
I remember years ago how National’s strategy was:
1. Infiltrate local government;
2. Infiltrate the mainstream media;
3. Dominate the blogosphere and public opinion;
4. Dominate regional electorates; and
5. (When National gets to power) Merge city councils to weaken left strongholds.
Judging by how quickly you got this information, have you infiltrated other political parties too, David? (And I’m not talking about just the Act Party – you’ve taken over that party!)
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:11 pm
Well, somebody at TV3 is not following the party line…
Kiwiblog author David Farrar says the panel of undecided voters who controlled the Roy Morgan Reactor on the TV3 Leaders Debate was infiltrated by three Labour Party activists.
The “worm” shown during parts of tonight’s debate was controlled by a group of 65 panelists, who were thought to be undecided voters.
However, Mr Farrar has published a tweet purported to be from one of the panellists.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Labour-activists-infiltrated-TV3-leaders-debate—Kiwiblog/tabid/419/articleID/233504/Default.aspx
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:13 pm
“The best way to beat the Left is to earn an enormous amount of money”
What a good idea UpandComer.
I’m very keen.
What is your plan?
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:16 pm
That Nive woman. Posing with Petra of all people and on a grassroots labour site. One thing this proves – She has no shame.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:21 pm
“The best way to beat the Left is to earn an enormous amount of money”
I have lots, but the barstards seem to think it belongs to them. I welcome them to come collect what they think is their “fair share”
It won’t end well, for them.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Hi David,
In regards to your post on Kiwiblog, it is implied that myself, amongst others, somehow “inflitrated” the TV3 panel. This is simply not true. I have not been a Labour Party member for some time, and the page you linked from Grassroots Labour was one I haven’t seen or used in over two years. The picture you paint is not an accurate reflection of my current political position. The questions raised in the selection of the panel included:
Who did you vote for at the last election? My answer: Labour
Who do you plan to vote for at this election? My answer: Undecided, but definitely on the centre left.
Amongst other gender/age/electorate questions. I at no point lied about my political positions or intentions and I gave Key and Goff equal treatment in my response to the debate. In fact I even voted that Key actually won the debate in my view at the end! I hope that with the full facts established, you can clarify on your blog.
Nga Mihi,
John
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Make better quality detergents Johnboy, oops, off thread again.
Vote:Off to New Lynn to try & find dodgy yellow cars defacing National Billboards.
November 21st, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Labour might be the ‘Nasty Party’..
But National is clearly the “Party of Sooks”
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Cheap is good LB.
All gets washed down the sink anyway!
Sorry Rod/Meturia.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Really polecat? Gee-wizz.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:29 pm
You still haven’t changed to pollcat, polecat!!!
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:30 pm
Even better, other_andy:
“Director of 3 News Mark Jennings said the infiltration does not reflect well on the Labour Party. It appears a few Labour Party activists may have snuck through our screening system,” he said”
Go DPF!!!!!
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Happy Feet is on the radio. Talking about the rigged worm.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:35 pm
The problem stems from the email TV3 sent out and suggested to recipients to send it on to their friends. If the left do one thing really well, it is networking and this email would have spread like worms.
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Does Mark Jennings have any comments regarding why the funny little short arse creep with the eyes far too close together seemed to have narrowed his forehead and nasal appendage since 2008.
Is it cosmetic surgery?
If not is it viewer driven so we all have something really stupid looking to laugh at?
Vote:November 21st, 2011 at 11:40 pm
The backing music at the tail end of the weather on TV3 just finished?
Vote:Provided by determinedly marxist lyric writing punk band Gang of Four.
I think they are enjoying the attention.
November 21st, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Look simple fact is: if Key hasn’t got a good enough story on why selling only 3% of the nation’s state owned asset base is a good idea, he never will have one. (Which is all he’s proposing – how come he hasn’t mentioned that?)
Key, let’s face it, is not passionate about asset sales. Key, let’s face it, is passionate about being popular.
Let’s face it. A monkey could have brought us through ChCh, since what happened was the officials who do that for a living swung into action precisely as designed, told Key what to do and he did it. Same thing would have happened under Liarbore. Same thing with Pike River, same thing with the Rena.
The public of course think Key is just terrific, but the “public” would have thought that about Hulun, Goof or Key, were any in the position he was in at the time those things happened.
Personally to me, tonight, the chips were down, for Key. He must have known it. After all, he used to calculate markets on the fly. Yet tonight he didn’t rise to the occasion.
It won’t change the polls. You don’t change an oil tankers course at the same time you spin the wheel, but this is the first inroad Liarbore made to breaching Key’s armour, and he doesn’t have a lot of it as the public will see, after the election.
Vote:November 22nd, 2011 at 12:01 am
So here is the just-posted facebook status of one of the WORM-ers: “ok so i was on tv for a total of about a second but more importantly there was AN OPEN BAR and WE TOTALLY MANIPULATED THE SHIT OUTTA THAT WORM”.
Vote:November 22nd, 2011 at 3:28 am
Winston looks to be on the home run the more Banks and Key slags him the more oxygen the Nats are giving him.
Vote:November 22nd, 2011 at 7:08 am
C’mon. What do you expect DPF? Labour is the party of thugs and fraudsters.
Vote:November 22nd, 2011 at 7:13 am
I like to see someone prove that the audience was rigged. Sounds like bleating to me.
Vote:John Key had his good moments but the teflon might be wearing out.
As much as the panel of experts might be ‘experts’ on something, they unfortunately miss the voice of middle to low NZ. John Key claiming to be closing the gaps with house insulation is ‘cold’ comfort to those at the bottom – his arguments in that area generally lacked credibility. His scare mongering about Winstone falls flat, his stance on minimum wages is over-stated to the point he looks not to care. Generally his arguments lack the appeal of his being able to deal with nzers across the board – the policies, perhaps unintentionally, look divisive.
The ‘undecideds’ and those that may or may not vote look to hold the election in their hands at this point – though collectively do not understand that.
November 22nd, 2011 at 7:27 am
You guys rant and rave about three members of an audience out of 65 (ie 5%) have left leaning tendencies but say nothing of the obvious right leaning tendencies of the panel (Paul 33% of panel).
Vote:The worm is all part of the game. No-one can take too much notice. I am surprised this blog site is so unhappy with the worm. I didn’t watch the worm as much as Key’s body language and facial expression. He didn’t want to be there; he didn’t seem to believe in what he was saying. He may have just received the latest internal polling.
I find it fascinating that the Conservative Party is doing better than expected in Auckland. It reminds me of the National Party of old, the Holyoake days when there was acceptance for the need for a safety net in society, and an acceptance there was a NZ community rather than individuals all doing their own thing. I expect more Nats to bleed to the Conservatives now that Key’s preference for Act is apparent.
I think Phil Goff will be a very good Prime Minister. He has a vision for the NZ society. He has a strong front bench.
Again it is significant that the National Party has not fronted their cabinet ministers.
I look forward to Saturday. People voted for change last time and now regret it badly. Key is the Emperor with no clothes. It showed clearly last night, and I think that is why you guys are so unhappy this morning.
November 22nd, 2011 at 7:52 am
Campbell was going to rig this and National should have refused to participate on these terms. They had the power to insist there be no worm. I rigged mine, whenever Goff spoke I had it on extreme negative and when Key spoke I had it on extreme positive.
Vote:November 22nd, 2011 at 8:13 am
Oh
Look at all the new ‘Posters’ turning up these days with less than 50 posts…
What a co-incidence it’s just before the election and they overwhelmingly support the left…
Sock puppets
Vote:November 22nd, 2011 at 8:17 am
Why did the worm go MIA when it got to the amusing bits? If we’re gonna have a worm, we should have the full worm and nothing but the worm.
Vote:November 22nd, 2011 at 9:42 am
Oh dear how surprising that the left had infiltrated the the debate.
Who really do you trust more in times of crisis?
John Key?
Phil Goff?
Will MMP give secure Governance in a time of crisis?
Yes ?
No ?
Vote:November 22nd, 2011 at 10:20 am
Earlier this year, my colleagues and I published a paper in the open access journal PLoS One that reported an experiment we conducted during the 2010 UK election debates. We showed that the worm has a very powerful influence on voters’ perceptions of televised election debates, and even on their voting intentions. We cautioned that this was a significant cause for concern, particularly given the unreliability of a worm poll based on such a small (and probably unrepresentative) sample.
The worm may be good entertainment, but it’s not good for democracy. Broadcasting a debate with the worm shortly before the election raises very serious concerns about the potential for biasing voters. This matter is too important to be left solely to media organisations to determine.
I made several attempts to contact journalists and politicians prior to the debate. Other than a polite letter from the Minister for Broadcasting, I received no response. I hope that those commenting here who are concerned about the use of the worm will take a look at our research and consider appealing to broadcasters (or their MPs) to try to prevent the reappearance of the worm.
You can read our paper here:
http://dx.doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0018154
Here’s another link that may be of interest:
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/content/interviews/interview/1606/
Colin Davis
Vote:November 22nd, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Checking up on people now, David?
You labelled the previous Labour government as “nanny statists”. What does this make you, compiling dossiers on ordinary citizens?
Very, very bad form. Very Stasi-like.
Vote:November 22nd, 2011 at 6:21 pm
I am sure that somebody else has already pointed this out (and because I cannot be arsed reading all of the comments) but did anybody really think that Key and the Nat’s were going to get a fair go from that filthy socialist prick Campbell?
Every topic was slanted toward Goff, Campbell was always going to ensure that Goff came off looking the best.
The same goes for the worm, that was always going to be a set up given that TV3 has always been a haven for socialists.
Does it really matter?…nah, it’s TV3 and John Campbell, nobody who really matters would have been watching anyway.
Vote:November 22nd, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Lance,
Vote:I am sorry I cannot match your blogging record. You are amazing. I have another life which involves more than talking to my computer in the hope of having some right wing friends. I tend to look on kiwiblog about election times each three years to see what mischief the Nact party is fomenting.
As a result, my record is a sad 40 where you and your sociopathic mates beat up a frenzy of thousands of inane blogs. It is significant that Kiwiblog is on a downer, mainly because your bloggers read as a bunch of inebriated 20 year olds with no experience of anything.
Relax next week. There is help for people whose reality does not fit with the majority. Phil will be an excellent Prime Minister. He is far better tha someone who aligns himself with Act, and Brash, and the baby flogger, and Hidesky, and scatterbrained Bamks. And national talks of itself as aspirational. Get a life!
Our paper tonight was full of Key! It was the best advertising that Labour could buy. No NACT policies, no local candidate. Amazing arrogance.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Oh, I’m sick of this pathetic shit, early special vote tomorrow:
Electorate Vote : National Candidate
Vote:Part Vote : National.
November 23rd, 2011 at 4:56 am
Big Bruv, Your so right with your comment. John Key was never going to get a fair go with a rapid bent left leaning John Campbell, who was closeting Phil Goff. Campbell allowed Goff to waffle on and allowed him to butt in, every time John Key went to speak sensible rhetoric.Phil Goff never spoke about the things that seriously matter, and that is the policies his Labour Party are proposing, We wanted to know how he was going to finance his numerous bribes, at a time when the country simply cannot afford them. All Goff did was attack National, not being honest about his bribes. It was so staged by TV3 it was a joke. Why didn’t Campbell put these questions to Goff, I guess because he new Goff would fumble yet again. But he did ask John Key about Partial Asset Sales, and John Key answered admirably. Then Campbell says Goff won. What a bloody joke. Goff only won for waffle. It was a predjustice debate, with Campbell an his staged audience. The worm was another thing, it worked in the way Campbell wanted it to work. The whole debate was a TV3 staged Farce.They should hang the heads in shame.Would we change a our vote on that debacle. NO WAY. It was laughable, lynch mob crap.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 7:22 am
The labour and green plants were more than fairly balanced out by having Paul Henry on the panel. Does that guy ever have anything intelligent to say or is he an arse all the time.
Key was not his best by any stretch, he reserved that for the second debate. Goff edged him here especially by dominating the first half.
Last nights Child poverty doco was a telling one. Hopefully Bennett takes some notice and changes here focus from herselef to the Children of the beneficiaries.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 7:44 am
I’m over the worm, undecided doesn’t mean neutral or acolyte.
Vote:This thread is becoming a cry-babies conference, how sweet.
But don’t forget John is closing the gaps by insulating houses! He said it twice.
November 23rd, 2011 at 7:50 am
Ah yes. Dear Paula, the poor wee thing. Her advisors should be sacked for being morons.
Vote:Cliches wear then, and the whole country is sick of being reminded that Paula is a ex-bene and therefore understands all things bene.
Should I mention that John was brought up in a state house, again? Maybe just 10 more times so the boys in Otara will vote for him. Talofa lava.
November 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 am
If the Nat voters of Epsom really do cut off their noses to spite their faces by failing to back Banks and ACT then I for one will be crowing at every twist of the “rich prick”tax knife that a Labour lead government will inflict of the idiots.
Vote:November 23rd, 2011 at 8:16 am
The sock puppets are out in force this morning.
Vote:3 more years!
November 23rd, 2011 at 8:52 am
It may not be revolutionary but one sure way to close the gaps would be for Gerry Brownlee to sit on them.
Vote: